Exposing the Inner Workings of Scientology's Office of Special Affairs: Espionage, Control, and the Pursuit of Transparency - Scientology Spy Files #24

Peek behind the curtain of Scientology's elusive Office of Special Affairs with us as we unravel a web of espionage so intricate, it rivals a Hollywood thriller. Discover how key figures like David Miscavige orchestrate a hierarchy that's as strategic as it is secretive. Our latest episode lays bare the mechanisms of control that operate within Scientology's spy network, shedding light on the individuals who enforce and protect its clandestine interests. Prepare to grasp the full extent of the church's reach, as we dissect the flow of directives from the Watchdog Committee down to global offices, and examine the covert legal strategies designed to shield the organization's top brass.

Navigating through Scientology's dense organizational maze, you'll uncover the powerful influence of in-house lawyers and the tactics used to maintain plausible deniability for the likes of Miscavige. Our conversation ventures into the darker implications of such tight control, exploring incidents like the surveillance of Miscavige's own father. Strap in for a journey through the corridors of power within Scientology, where every whisper and order echoes through an elaborate structure meticulously crafted to serve its core agenda.

In the shadow of these revelations, we plunge into the depths of Scientology's classified documents. Imagine stumbling upon an accidental cache of 4,700 files, containing narratives that could shatter reputations and lives. We've sifted through this mountain of paperwork to bring the truth to those mentioned within. As we tease apart the threads of Scientology's infiltration and document theft, the episode transforms into a rallying call for transparency, promising to aid those affected by the church's actions. And as we hint at the explosive content of Tom Cruise's spy files, our commitment to shining a relentless spotlight on these secretive practices becomes an unbreakable vow to our listeners.

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:12

Welcome back to the channel. Welcome to another episode of the Scientology spy files. In today's episode we're going to answer some questions that we've gotten about the spy files, as well as explain to people how the OSSA and the Office of Special Affairs that's Scientology's dirty tricks department those are. That's the sort of the arm of Scientology that does a large, that's responsible for and does a large majority of the spying and the sort of nefarious activities of Scientology in order to silence critics and any media outlets or journalists or people that are doing stories about them. Now, the reason this keeps coming up is because there's files that we're talking about, different files, and you see all these different people that the files are being sent to or they're being CC'd or they're being sent from or any of this other stuff. And I'm trying and showing the people has helped with some of the questions that people have had, but showing where they are on the sort of organization or the chart of Scientology in terms of hierarchy, I thought might be a more helpful thing to do. So we're going to get into that and then at the end we're actually going to go through some of the questions. I went through all the different spy files. I went through all of the emails and questions that people have sent me, as well as some of the comments in the spy file videos, and so we're going to try to answer a bunch of those questions and then hopefully that'll help you have a greater understanding about who's involved in these files and who may or may not have had access to them, and also what other files are out there and what's happened with files that have been leaked like this in the past. So let's get right into it.

Speaker 1: 2:05

So the first slide that I have is called the Scientology spy network organization chart and it says RTC level, and the reason I want to break this down is because there's different access. There's different access, there's different levels of access to these files and who have, who would have been privy to them and who would even have any knowledge of these things that are covered in these files. So obviously at the top we have David Miscavige, chairman of the Board of Religious Technology Center. Now, if anyone knows more than anybody, it's likely David Miscavige. But even in the case of David Miscavige, he may know who the targets were and what was being done with them or what he directed to do with them, but he would be the only one person who would have more information than any other person, because he's siloing all these other different areas and you'll see that. So you have. First person we have up here is the COCMO Int. Now, this is a person that is located at the international headquarters of Scientology and the same property that Religious Technology Center was located during the years that I worked there, from 1990 to 2005. And so things could be directed to this person, who could then use his network of organizations to get information or to silence a critic or to declare somebody a suppressive person or whatever it was that David Miscavige is trying to do. The next person that we have on here is called the COCMOIXU, and that's the commanding officer of the Commodore's Messenger org. It's called the International Extension Unit, and the only reason this person's even on here is because there's a lot of times when something in Los Angeles needed to be dealt with and David Miscavige was weary of contacting the COCMO Int or anybody else, and he would go direct to this person that was in Los Angeles and have them. Maybe, if it's contact Celebrity Center, which is in Celebrity Center International, is a Scientology organization that's also located in Los Angeles. There's also other activities in Los Angeles that maybe David Miscavige wanted to dealt with, and on some occasions he would have this person do that type of thing.

Speaker 1: 4:36

Then the next post is WDC Osa. I have Greg Wilher in this picture. This is just a. I had nowhere else to stick, greg, and I didn't have anybody. I don't know who's doing that hat these days. It could be Linda Hamill, who used to be an Osa. It could be Kurt Wheeland, who was an Osa and used to be WDC Osa and was also COCMO Int. It could be a number of people, but I thought it would be fun to imagine Greg now having to do this, and so I put him in there.

Speaker 1: 5:06

Additionally, the WDC Osa person is responsible for being the go-between between David Miscavige and Osa. Okay, then you have lawyers. This could be in-house lawyers, this could be RTC lawyers, this could be Scientology lawyers. David Miscavige could tell any one of the people that we already COCMO Int, cocmoxu or WDC Osa maybe not COCMOXU, but COCMO Int or WDC Osa. He could tell both of those people to contact a lawyer or to tell this lawyer to do this specific thing, but he could also have his own. David Miscavige can talk to anybody he wants at any point in any time. He's not supposed to and, per Scientology's policies, he's not supposed to do that, but that's certainly not going to stop him from doing whatever he wants to do. Now.

Speaker 1: 6:00

The other thing I wanted to say is these first four people that I talked to or that I spoke about. Of the first four, the first three I've known at least maybe 20 different people that have held those three posts in the last 20 years, so those people can be moved around or put on different posts or be moved to other areas at any point during their career or any point during their tenure on any one of these posts. And there might even be some people who've done all three of these posts CSCMOXU and WDC, osa or been in all those different organizations that those posts were contained in. Okay, now the last person is the only person that I've known that's pretty much done the same job the entire time, and that is Warren McShane. He was either legal affairs, rtc or DIG legal affairs or some other iteration of that same post, and David Miscavige often bragged that he was the best. Warren McShane was the best liar Scientology had.

Speaker 1: 7:12

Okay, so this is the RTC level, so this could be things happening at the base. This could be things about Tom Cruise or celebrities or any of these type of things would be handled by these people in this document. Okay, in this one page the very, very, very high level situations and problems are going to be being dealt with by this group of people. Okay, let's do the next page. Okay. So the next page says Scientology spy network organization chart, international level. So we've still got David at the top and then we've still got these five guys at the top. But then let's take the first column.

Speaker 1: 7:56

So the COCMO, that's the commanding officer of the Commodore's messenger organization international and that's located at the international headquarters in Gilman hot springs, california. He can command all of the CMO int C org members and staff members. Anyone in the CMO at the international level is a C org member. They're the guys that signed the billion year contract. The COCMO int has full power over all those people. He can't talk. He can't order anyone in RTC, he can't necessarily order anyone in ASI or CST. He pretty much has the Commodore's messenger organization international and the CMO network at his disposal. So below him is CMO int C org members, then CMO con units, now wherever Scientology has a continental liaison organization, which I think there's about six or seven.

Speaker 1: 8:54

There's a. I think that Italy used to be its own continent for a while, but I'm pretty sure it either got gobbled up by EU or it's not. There's not a lot of CLO people in Italy. I'm not sure. I've never been to CLO Italy so I don't know how big it is or what's going on there. But there's about six or seven continents that Scientology considers these locations where they have a continental liaison office. So wherever there is a con liaison office, there is usually a CMO office in that continent and they're there so that someone from management can tell them what to do and then they can go to the continent and get those guys to do specific stuff. And we're going to talk about a lot of the other continental liaison office parts as we go through this. I'm just trying to explain to you that this is a complex network of individuals that are all over the place and how the information flows.

Speaker 1: 9:54

Okay, then you have CMO, int con, c org members. So if you have a continent, let's say Africa, and there's a whole bunch of C? Org members there at the CLO, the continental liaison office, those C? Org members could be tasked with telling somebody they were declared a suppressive person, or or try to figure out how to get a media article stopped. There are people in that organization that do that and that's not necessarily their full-time job, but they could be tasked with it. Okay, then you also have CMO investigators. So in some CMO cons they have people that are. That's what they do, is they investigate things to try to figure out what's going on and get all the information gathered.

Speaker 1: 10:40

Okay, so that's the first line of this chart. The second one is the COCMO IXU. I know I've got the same picture. I had a picture of somebody else that I don't know what happened to it, but there I think there's a girl named Molly. I can't remember her name, but she was holding this post in the 90s and the 2000s, and we would often hear about how these CMO people were rock stars in Los Angeles and David Miscavige was relying on them more and more to do things for him, rather than using the standard CMO or OSA network to sort out these problems.

Speaker 1: 11:18

Okay, then, below, where the Commodore's Messenger Organization International Extension Unit is located, or CMOIXU, there's a place called the Int Liaison Office and that for traditionally since the 90s, that has been located at the Hollywood Guarantee Building in Los Angeles in Hollywood, los Angeles, california, usa, 6331 Hollywood Boulevard. That's where OSA International is. That's where the International Liaison Office is. They have an RTC office there. They had the ABLE used to be there. They moved down Hollywood Boulevard a little bit. The training, the International Training Organization, where they train C-org members from all over the world, used to be located there and that is genuinely generally referred to as either the Int Liaison Office or Middle Management or Upper Middle Management. It's not the base but it's not PAC, it's not LA, it's not Africa, it's sort of a go-between between the Int Base and all of the different continents.

Speaker 1: 12:35

Okay, and then? So below the Int Liaison Office are the Comp Liaison Offices and then below them are just the CLO staff members and org staff members and Scientology spies that are being run by the org. So if you're a very high-level Scientologist in your local area and you've already done the OT levels, you could be tasked by the local Office of Special Affairs person, which in every organization, every Scientology organization, has a Department of Special Affairs and there's a Director of Special Affairs called the DSA, and the DSA in every single organization is just a remote operative for the international organization, the Office of Special Affairs. So the Office of Special Affairs runs all of the individual departments of Special Affairs or Directors of Special Affairs in all Scientology organizations and the Scientology Organization DSAs report up to the Continental Liaison Office, which then reports up to the International Liaison Office or the Office of Special Affairs International, and so a lot of these times OSA could be c-seed on these things, osa could be in receipt or they could be coordinating with these staff members or these local organizations. And, yeah, let's do it that We'll leave it at that level for now. I'm trying to give you an overview and we're going to deep dive as we go down this chart. Okay, now for the middle. So you've got Chairman of the Board.

Speaker 1: 14:15

Then the next column is WDC OSA. Now, this is a post that's located within the Watchdog Committee at the International Headquarters of Scientology in Gilman Hot Springs and there's WDC members for all sorts of things. There's a WDC Scientology, wdc, able, wdc Scientology missions, wdc OSA, wdc programs, wdc. There's a ton of different WDC members and I'll put up a graphic here real quick that shows a pie chart of all the different WDC posts that are supposed to exist, even though traditionally, over the time that I was in an international management, they usually only had a handful of these people and some of the WDC members would be multiple, like one person could be WDC programs, wdc Scientology and WDC C Organization. There's one person doing all three of them, so there's just a lot. They're getting a lot less people to deal with and to do these posts over the time that Scientology has existed.

Speaker 1: 15:25

Okay, so WDC OSA really his line is to the CO OSA INT. He can email people in CMO and he can email or send communications to other people, but his main channel is to OSA INT and the OSA INT person, co OSA, the commanding officer OSA INT, can then order the OSA staff members or CIRB members in this case and then they can send things down to the continents or to individual department of special affairs or directors of special affairs in any organization to get information or to execute programs or tasks that they are trying to get done on a specific person that's causing them trouble. Okay, then the next thing we have is we've got these lawyers, so you can have in OSA they have lawyers. Ken Moxon, who is one of the unindicted co-conspirators in the largest infiltration in the United States government in its history by Scientology. He is an unindicted co-conspirator in was found to be an unindicted co-conspirator in that whole nonsense. He is the in-house lawyer for the Church of Scientology International and he has an office at OSA in that building at 6331 Hollywood Boulevard, the Hollywood Guarantee Building. He has an office there and he does whatever Scientology needs. He's there.

Speaker 1: 16:50

God, if a protester is outside Scientology and a Scientology guard gets into a fight or gets into a kerfuffle with one of the protesters either Ken Moxon or Elliot Abelson or one of their go-to, eric Lieberman, whoever their go-to guy is at the time that they need, those guys are just on a retainer and they are the ones that are sent to deal with those problems. And a lot of times, if you are on the internet in the old days, in the early mid-2000s, if you were talking about Scientology on the internet, it's very likely that you'd get a cease and desist or some sort of letter from one of the in-house lawyers. I think Helena Cobrin, ken Moxon, elliot Abelson, eric Lieberman these are the guys that you'd always see letters from them. Okay, then you've got CSI lawyers. So then there's a group of CSI lawyers that are just like I said. They're on retainer but they don't have an office at the Office of Special Affairs. That's really Ken Moxon, and I think it's Helena Cobrin, maybe some other ones that I'm not aware of.

Speaker 1: 18:06

I never worked in OSA in the Office of Special Affairs In my entire history. In the Seaworth I worked at the building that OSA was in, on a different floor, when I worked at the Association for Better Living and Education, which is Scientology's front group that controls Narcanon and Criminon and the way to happiness and applied scholastics. They're sort of a steady technology front group. So you've got these CSI lawyers. Now the key thing about having all these different lawyers is that you have one. Ken Moxon might then send something to the CSI lawyers.

Speaker 1: 18:42

These lawyers are the ones that hire the private investigation firms. Okay, so WDC, osa is not hiring PIs. Cocmo, ixu is not hiring PIs. They are directing people to hire lawyers. That are, those lawyers are being directed to hire private investigators. This is a key point. Okay, so then you have a PI firm. Well, the PI firm, even the lawyer who hired the PI firm, that lawyer didn't hire a private investigator. They hired a PI firm to vent. The PI firm hires the private investigators and those private investigators could also hire other private investigators or enlist a random person to be a spy. In many cases, people that spied on ex-members was a person that worked for a private investigator, that worked for another private investigator, that worked for a private investigator firm, that was hired by a lawyer. So you have these various cutouts and the entire reason to have all these cutouts is so that there is plausible deniability on behalf of Scientology executives and Scientology itself.

Speaker 1: 20:01

This entire system that was sort of designed by David Muscavige and caressed and finessed over the last 30 or so years has. It's built this way and it's organized this way specifically so that David Muscavige cannot be lit up in litigation or he cannot be deposed or he cannot be. He doesn't have any liability in any of these actions which he has directed take place. Okay, and then, yeah, pi firms, pi private investigators and then private investigators, and now you see these lines going back and forth. I just put these lines on here so you could see COOSA and can talk to the lawyers, coosa and can talk to the CSI. Lawyers can talk to WDC, osa, maybe in some cases, depending on the lawyer and what they're dealing with, and then the OSA staff members can talk to all the lawyers, all the PI firms, the different C-ORG members and all this stuff. It's kind of they can go back and forth as they please.

Speaker 1: 21:06

But as you go higher up, the amount of direct contact with any of these different people below the line below David Muscavige, the direct contact between all these people is very minimal. The only person who sort of has immunity in terms of directly contacting people is David Muscavige himself. Even though he's not supposed to be in direct contact with these people, he chooses to do so on a regular basis because he likes to micromanage everything that happens in Scientology and in a lot of cases he doesn't wanna talk to one person. Who then gonna talk to another person? It's like the telephone game. Scientology is like the telephone game every day. So David Muscavige just goes direct.

Speaker 1: 21:55

And that's why you hear the story when David Muscavige's father was being watched by private investigators. The private investigators, when they were arrested they had a bunch of ammo in the back of their car. While they were watching Ron Muscavige Sr and somebody called the police and said hey, there's somebody sus outside and they got arrested because they had like several thousand rounds of ammunition and a whole bunch of weapons in the trunk of their car. Do you think that the lawyers told them bring 10,000 rounds of ammunition and all these weapons? Probably not. Did OSA know they had all the weapons? Probably not. I would say likely not. But they did, because they're private investigators and they chose to do that job. However, they plan to do that job. But the whole point I'm telling you this is because when they were arrested and they were interviewed, they gave the impression that when Ron Muscavige Sr was grabbing his chest in the parking lot of a Walmart, they thought he was having a heart attack. They called their handler and their handler put them on with David Muscavige and he said if it's his time, it's his time. You know, or whatever the quote is. But even if they put him on with somebody else, it likely wasn't the PI firm or a lawyer for CSI or Ken Mokson who said if it's his time, it's his time. The person that they said said that was David Muscavige. That's what they alluded to in their testimony. So David Muscavige can talk to any one of these people if he chooses to do so, and if it's a phone conversation, no one's gonna know about that except for David Muscavige.

Speaker 1: 23:47

Okay, then you have on the last column over here we have legal affairs, rtc, warren McShane, the RTC lawyers. Okay, so this is a totally separate thing. They're CSI lawyers. Those are the lawyers for the Church of Scientology International. Well, david Muscavige is not part of the Church of Scientology International, he's part of the Religious Technology Center. He is the chairman of the Board Religious Technology Center and they have their own lawyers In addition to them having their own lawyers.

Speaker 1: 24:13

David Muscavige personally has his own lawyers that are separate than the RTC lawyers, so he could be talking to any number of other lawyers about whatever he wishes. That none of these people in these other four columns would have any idea that that was happening not a single clue. And so that's why I wanna show these are five silos. There could be more silos and I'm pretty sure that that celebrity center aspect he could. David Muscavige could be going through that person, the COCMOXU. He could be going through that person to celebrity center. But then just as well, when Tommy Davis was in celebrity center, he was on a direct line just to David Muscavige. So anything having to do with Tom Cruise, andrea Doven or Michael Doven or Tommy Davis or somebody that's in that camp that's dealing with that, would often report directly to David Muscavige, and only under certain circumstances would OSA or other individuals get involved with those people, and usually only if there was a problem that wasn't being sorted out with whoever was doing it. That's usually when they would bring in reinforcements. Okay, so then the RTC lawyers as well could hire private investigation firms and private investigators, and then those private investigator firms and private investigators can then hire other private investigators. So we've got these five different silos Now.

Speaker 1: 25:46

The other thing is that a lot of these conversations that are very, very sensitive are not being documented. They're either on the phone or they're encrypted files, or they are files that are being destroyed after they send them, and so there might not be any records of anything that's happening below the OSA level and going out to the private investigators. I would be very surprised. I would be very surprised about how much of the granular detail that's taking place at the private investigator level. I would be very surprised if any of that is being documented and then submitted to OSA. The directive could just be silence this person, and however they do that, they do that, and if they do end up silencing the person, they could say contact was made and we're very, we're hopeful that this person will not be there, we'll not be speaking out, or we have a very good idea that this person will not be speaking out any further. And there is language to that kind of extent in some of the spy files that we've covered on the channel and with other files that we are gonna be covering. So I'm just saying, just because somebody got fair gamed back in 1972, there might not necessarily be a lot of documentation of that fair gaming that happened, or if it was in 1985 or if it was in 2024. Yeah, okay, so that is that's that page. Okay, now let's go into the next page.

Speaker 1: 27:30

Now remember when I said that there's these different organizations. So this is just the OSA silo of what I showed you. So, and the other silos kind of break out the same way, but I just wanted to use one of them to show you how this kind of breaks down as we get further and further away from the headquarters of Scientology. So you have David Miscavige, wdc, osa, coosaint, and then the OSAINT Seawrong members, and then they're, like I said, they have these lawyers that they talk to, and then they have the CLOs. So let's just use CLO, we'll use CLO Africa as an example. It's the first one there, so we'll cover that.

Speaker 1: 28:09

So there's a continental liaison office in Africa that Scientology operates. They have staff members there. I don't know how many staff members they have in the CLOF. Let's say they have 20, okay, and those 20 staff members Seaworg members are responsible for managing the whole entire continent of Africa Getting people in, getting people audited, getting people to go clear, getting people through their purification rundown, whatever happens in Africa. Those 20 people that are in the CLO are responsible for all of that in that continent.

Speaker 1: 28:44

So if there is somebody in Africa who was a Scientologist and they had a bad experience in Scientology and they're starting to talk smack about Scientology, there is likely gonna be an organization that that person is going to that Scientologist is part of and let's just say they're part of the Joberg org, johannesburg org. Okay, then the Department of Special Affairs and the Director of Special Affairs in that organization would be the person that would have to sort that person out. And I don't think that those people are hiring lawyers and private investigators and that sort of thing. I think that those people are usually contacting and other individual Scientologists or they're just directly talking to the person Only if that person is threatening to sue or do something else. Would they then get lawyers and private investigators and all these other things? I don't know what level, what they're doing in Africa and what their capabilities are, but there could be. Let's just say, for this one person there's one, two, three, four, five. Let's say there's another five people that may be involved in sorting out this Scientologist, the civilian Scientologist who lives in Africa, who's causing problems for Scientology, and then it gets whatever gets done there. A report is written and then that person that's doing the investigation or handling the thing, he sends it up to his senior at the CLO okay. And then that person includes that in another report that then goes to the head of CLO Africa or then up to the International Liaison Office to then get forwarded back to the Office of Special Affairs or RTC or whoever's dealing with this thing.

Speaker 1: 30:40

Okay. Each time that document changes, they abbreviate and change the facts or may tweak the narrative of what's happening, and they may not even include anything that they would deem to be too sensitive to put it into a document. So it might not even be there. It could be, it could not be. You'll see by the spy files that we have, some of the documents are completely lame, they're useless, there's not really anything that happens in there, and then some of the documents are the craziest thing you've ever heard in your life. So, depending on what's happening and where it's happening really depends on how much detail or nonsense is included in the reports. But these reports get kind of massaged as they go further up the channel to get to David Mascavage, and any one of these people along the line could decide to include or not include details based on their personal preferences or what they've done in the past which was successful. Okay, so then you can see.

Speaker 1: 31:48

For CLO Africa, I only have three of these organizations, okay, there could be 15 organizations in Africa. Each one of these continents could have anywhere from 10 to 20 organizations that are in its zone, and the continents that I've listed here are CLO Africa, anso, that's Australia, new Zealand and Oceana, uk, west US, which is the Western United States, and then East US, which is the Eastern United States, and then they have oh, I did forget one, they have CLO Canada. There's also CLO LaTam and possibly CLO Italy. The verdict's still out on the Italy one. I don't remember. It's not really. Is Italy a continent? I don't think so. I don't know why they call it a continent if it's not even a continent. Anyway, I didn't go to school that much past 13 or 14, so I don't know why you would call CLO Italy a continent. Okay, but, like I said, I just listed three.

Speaker 1: 32:54

I'm gonna go to the next slide just so you can get an idea of the possibilities. And I haven't listed 250 organizations, but you can see here this is about a hundred and six, I think it was 160, I can't remember. It's about 160 different organizations that I have listed right here with all the possibilities of the people that could be reporting up or dealing with any of this. So you can see there's a lot of people that are involved with this and there's a lot of places for information to be added, distorted, changed, you name it. Obviously, the system's not working that great, because Scientology hasn't been able to silence anybody in many, many years. I mean, they're able to get a few people here and there that they make deals with, but for the most part, the people that are whistleblowing they're still blowing the whistles in most cases.

Speaker 1: 33:45

Okay, let's go to the next one here. Okay, scientology spy files. Okay. So, based on all that, that's how. Those last few charts are how these files are being created.

Speaker 1: 34:00

Now I have a whole bunch of files and people have been asking me well, how many files are there? Well, the files there's about, I wanna say there's about if you look at the drive that has all the files on it, there's about 4,700 files that have been identified in these documents and there are 40, an estimated 40,000 pages of documents from those 4,700 or so files. Okay, so that's how many files are in the spy files that I have that I've been covering on my channel. Okay, have these files been turned over to law enforcement? Yes, when these files were discovered, these files were not purposely gotten from Scientology. It was an accident that these files exist. A thumb drive was found and the files were on this thumb drive and as soon as the thumb drive was found and these files were found, they were turned over to the FBI. So the FBI has every single one of the 40,000 pages or the 4,700 documents that I have in my possession that I have been putting out and trying to explain and decipher. The FBI had those files before I had them and in many cases, these specific files or specific groups of files have been shared with other law enforcement agencies that may or may not be interested in the content of those files. Okay, what individuals are in these files? Okay, that's a great question as well. So there are many different individuals that are targeted in the files that I have.

Speaker 1: 35:54

Now, when I first obtained the files, I tried to sort them and sort of organize them into different categories and, as well, group them by the individuals that were targeted, and in my case it was pretty simple. The folder that had most of my documents was called HEDLY, so most of my files were in that one folder, and throughout going through the files, I found a few files here and there that also have something to do with me, but in a lot of cases they have to do with South Park, or they have to do with Rolling Stone, or they have to do with Burt Fields or Larry King, and there might just be a paragraph about me, so it didn't get filed in my folder. Okay, I've gone through all the documents and all the people that had folders. I went through all of the documents and tried to find out if there were any other documents that were not included in their folder, and I've sent every single one of those people a link and copies of their folder. So, chuck Beatty, myself, jenna Muscavige, dallas Hill, all of the people that had their own files. I sent those people their files so they would have them at least they would have them, and if they choose to make the files public, then that's up to them.

Speaker 1: 37:18

I don't, I'm very weary of sharing someone's files. That is a whistleblower that doesn't even know they have a file or didn't know what they did, just because I don't know that. Scientology in a bunch of cases, scientology fabricates stories and then they get that narrative going and they push that narrative in the files. So, whether or not the data that they're saying is true, they say we're gonna plant this story and then they detail out the story of what they did to that person. And I'm gonna cover that a little bit later in regards to another case, so you can see how this all fits together.

Speaker 1: 38:03

Okay, so what individuals in the files? How do I get my files? So, like I said, if you, if somebody was in the files that I have, I've gone through them and whenever I see somebody that I didn't know was covered in the file, I put it into a folder for them and I've sent those to people as well. So there's 40,000 pages. There's a chance I'm gonna find some other documents that I haven't found before and I haven't sent that person a document. So as I uncover them or as I see them, if there's one that got missed or that person never got sent any files, I try to send them the files.

Speaker 1: 38:38

Okay, does Scientology have more files? Yes, the files that I got are just from one of the people in one of these silos. There could be, for any one of these silos there could be another million documents that Scientology has. In Scientology, there is a policy that you're not allowed to delete certain types of files. In Scientology, elrond Hubbard believed that they should burn down every single or chop down every single forest in the universe to put all of his gobbledygook and all of their internal gobbledygook and writings onto paper. So even though David Muscavige has been running the joint for a couple decades now, they still do keep a lot of hard copy files, even though they probably shouldn't. What Scientology have more files? What are in those files? Okay, remember how I showed you the different levels RTC level, international level, continental level or global.

Speaker 1: 39:42

Okay, in Scientology they have a thing called the data files Now the data files is arguably the largest cache of internal Scientology documents that exists. They've been keeping these files since the beginning of time and everything that's hard copy. They have been striving to scan and digitize and get it into these data files so that when they have a problem like that, let's say, a protester shows up in Los Angeles at an organization, and they can just look it up and they can go okay, let's just see here, okay, billy Bob, he, okay, good, he lives at this address. He's protested 17 times. He's also known to protest with this person and this, all of that data they can get, they can obtain just by putting that person's name into their data files and it even creates a chart which shows which SP is connected to what other SP or what other other journalists or or YouTubers, or influencers or it'll, it'll, it'll, it'll map all that out so that they can get a complete snapshot of who this protester is and who he's connected to that file system.

Speaker 1: 40:57

The data files has levels of access. It has an RTC access, it has ASI access, it has CST access and then it goes down international middle management, ilo, clo organizations, celebrity centers, narcanons it's all siloed in the data files. Only I would say that the only people that have access to all of the data files are specific individuals in religious technology center. I don't think there's a lot of other organizations that have access to everyone in Scientology's data files. But the data files are where all these documents are and the data files are sort of maintained and controlled by a Scientology organization called INCOM, the International Network of Computer Organized Management. Incom, it's an abbreviation or whatever they call that. Okay so, but INCOM has data files.

Speaker 1: 42:00

Now in the very, I want to say in 1992, at the Golden, at Golden Era Productions at the International Headquarters, we were setting up a visual effects department and we were starting to move. They had been doing composites and special effects. They'd been doing all that in camera and on film and through editing and trickery up until the early 90s. That's how they did special effects, that's how they did titles for their Scientology films. That's how they did everything. It was either in the camera or in editing with cutting film. They didn't do anything. And they had a special effects camera called a Roxbury. That would you know. It was basically something you would use for like cell animation, like if you were shooting a cartoon or you were trying to do like claymation or something. That's the technology that Golden Era Productions had.

Speaker 1: 42:54

So this visual effects department is being set up and as part of that we had all these, what they were called at the time. It was the same stuff they did Jurassic Park with. It was called Silicon Graphics, silicon Graphics, and it was this company that made these really high-end computer systems that you could do these computerized visual effects shots with. Well, as part of doing all that, we needed to get a server that had a whole bunch of storage on it, and we got a 10 terabyte server to be able to store these shots that we were working on. And 10 terabyte server in 1992 was a lot for Golden Era Productions to have. Anyway, we were in order to get a new piece of equipment like this. That's all brand new technology. It had to be brought to what's called Ron's Audio Visual and they had to go through it and see how it worked before we could use it in Golden Era Productions.

Speaker 1: 43:52

And this computer server and this whole storage array was in what was called RAV, ron's Audio Visual. It was in RAV and the gentleman in charge, the Seaword member in charge of RAV. He was called Senior RAV and Senior RAV, myself and the special effects guy were talking about how big this server was and how it was a lot of storage. And in the middle of this conversation David Miscavige walked in. And David Miscavige was like, hey, what are you guys doing? And we told him oh, we got this new thing, we got this new equipment, we got this new server. And he was like oh really, is it all that great? How much was it? You know all this kind of stuff.

Speaker 1: 44:33

And then at the end of the conversation, the special effects guy which I'm going to tell you who that was in a second too, that's going to blow your mind the special effects guy goes yes, sir, once we have this set up, we'll have more storage than all of Incom combined. And David Miscavige started looking at us weird. And then he was like that's impossible. And the guy his name was Eric Geisler. He was the special effects, the visual effects department director at the time. He goes no, sir, we verified it and we talked to Incom. This one cabinet is more than all of the storage they have worldwide. Okay, this was in 1990, in 1992-ish, and it was 10 terabytes. And David Miscavige looked at us and he said, if that's true. Someone's in big trouble. And then he left.

Speaker 1: 45:27

And then we found out because Incom up until that point they had been using this data file system was on what was called a Vax or VMS type system where you just had a giant mainframe and I'm talking about computers that are as big as refrigerators, like the Incom office was several hundred square feet and was filled with computers and storage, but it also had tape drives and it had a scuzzy. It had all kinds of archaic nonsense that they had been kind of keeping up over the years, but regardless they didn't even have 10 terabytes for everything. Now this isn't the 1990s and obviously after that I think they upgraded that system to like 100 terabytes that week and I don't even know what system they ended up using. I just remember that whenever we would run into the Incom guys after that conversation they were none too pleased that we had sort of tipped off that they didn't have that much storage up an income. And even when you were on the Scientology computer system, you know you would use that same system that the data files was housed on. You'd use that to write your daily battle plan and your action items lists for the week. You would use that same system and they were always trying to get you to delete documents so that they can have more storage. You could, only everybody had like a quota and everybody was always over quota. Same old story, just like, just like today, anyway, okay.

Speaker 1: 47:02

So the reason I wanted to bring that up is it says this last question I have here says how do these documents compare to the docs obtained by the FBI in the 1970s? Okay, in the 1970s the FBI rated Scientology. I want to say it was the summer of 77. Summer is 77. That's my story, I'm sticking to it. They gathered, they broke into Scientology in DC, in Los Angeles, these different locations, and they got a whole bunch of documents out of Scientology. The inventory document that said what documents they got was 525 pages long. I think in that raid they got I want to say it was around 23,000 documents. Okay, not pages, but individual documents. Some of those could have been anywhere from three to five pages. They could have been 20 pages, but they got 23,000 documents. Like I said, the cover sheet that just had the inventory documents, single spaced, is 525 pages long. So they got a whole bunch of documents in that and in those documents. They that the FBI got was a lot of crazy stuff and I'll put up a slide here. Right, it says Scientology spy files.

Speaker 1: 48:20

In the summer, yeah, in the summer of 1977, the FBI raided Scientology properties all over the United States and seized many boxes of internal Scientology documents. The inventory list of documents seized was 525 pages long. Among the 23,000 documents the FBI impounded were files presumably snatched either by employees or burglars who were Scientologists. Okay, so during that time, osa was infiltrating government agencies and trying to find the files on Scientology that were in there and either delete them or replace them with vanilla info on Scientology and not the critical or the exposing information that the government had obtained on Scientology. So, just like if the government were to look in their data files on Scientology, they pull up a bunch of nonsense like oh yeah, this guy yelled at somebody, whatever. Or this guy, the husband and wife got into a domestic thing, whatever it was. Really the Scientology had either just deleted the document or they had taken stuff out of it or altered it in some way or forged a replacement document to sort of diminish any nonsense that Scientology was up to.

Speaker 1: 49:42

Okay, from the Fred, oh the. And these are where the documents came from. They came from the Federal Trade and Atomic Energy Commissions, the National Security Agency, defense, intelligence and Central Intelligence agencies, the Departments of the Army and the Navy, the US Custom Service, interpol and numerous US Police Departments. Okay, so, from all those files that they found, they found all these stolen ones, and those were some of the places that Scientologists had stolen these files from. Okay, well, obviously, those 23,000 pages of documents, or 23,000 documents, weren't all government documents. Some of them were Scientology documents, and that's why I want to say it's either nine or a level. Nine or 11 officials of Scientology, executives of Scientology, were convicted and sentenced to jail for doing this, these crimes and that of not only stealing the files but also all the stuff that's in the files that Scientology was doing.

Speaker 1: 50:53

The government charged that if the Scientologist had more in mind than self-defense, that the raid turned up evidence of a policy aimed at the elimination of individuals who were enemies of the church, and one hatched as early as 1974 in the innermost sanctum of the world of worldwide Scientology. Okay, so the documents that we're talking about, that we have 4,700 documents, 40,000 pages. The FBI, this whole Snow White, operation Snow White and the Operation Freakout, all those internal Scientology files came out of this FBI raid. Now, some of the files that we have found are very similar to those documents, but they don't have all of the nitty gritty detail that the Guardian's Office and the Office of Special Affairs were including in these files earlier on. Okay, and to be fair, the Guardian's Office was the name of the organization when all of this took place, and after they got convicted and all this, they just changed the name of the Guardian's Office to the Office of Special Affairs. It's even some of the same people that worked in the Guardian's Office. They still work there. They still work in OSA. Okay, next page Okay, scientology spy files data file size Okay, good, so this is just a good comparison.

Speaker 1: 52:15

So you can see. Okay, terabytes, how many documents could that be? If you just had 10,? Let's just say you had one terabyte. One terabyte is the same size as a thousand gigs, which in turn is the same as one million megabytes. Is that right? One million? Yeah, one million megabytes. Okay, if you have a Word document or a PDF you could have. It's like, what is it? 0.2 megabytes, that's how much a PDF or a Word document could be. It depends on if you have graphics or what text. All that varies, but you could hold. With one terabyte of storage, you could house five million documents, okay. So if you had 10 terabytes, you could have 50 million documents, and they probably have 100 terabytes or 1,000 terabytes or who knows what they have today. And also they're now storing the counseling or the auditing sessions of Scientologists. They're storing digitally, so they could have petabytes of storage at this point. And also everything there has been computerized since the early 2000s the films, the videos, the display systems, the auditing sessions everything is digitized now. So I wouldn't be surprised if they had hundreds of millions of documents at this point. If they've been keeping track of them all this time and if they've been taking everything that was hard copy and scanning it into these systems, they could have even more Okay.

Speaker 1: 53:52

So why do we care about any of this? The reason we care about this is because the documents that we have, we've shared with the people that have been targeted in these documents and really, unless we come across any more, there's not a lot of other documents that we have that are going to do much for any individuals, the people that I've sent the files to. They have their files If they want to do something with them or use it in a legal case or do whatever they want. They're free to do that. If I find something, or if you're out there and you want to know if you're in the documents, put a comment in the video and say can you search the files for this name? I'll search it and if you're not in there I'll write in the comments you don't have any files in here.

Speaker 1: 54:38

It just to me to think that one person remembers every single person that anything was ever done to, or that anyone who used to work there and who's now left knows about any single person that was ever fair game in the history of Scientology. I don't know how that could possibly be In my case. I worked in golden air productions, so unless you were making a video with us or making a film or making cassettes or videotapes, I don't know nothing about you, unless I went to a meeting and then David Miscavige told me a story about you. I don't have. I didn't have access to not a single one of these type of documents when I was there, and also most Seward members don't. They. They're writing on Scientology's internal system and there's not really an easy way. At least there didn't used to be, there didn't used to be an easy way to get files out of that system. They were all kind of contained in that ecosystem of Scientology.

Speaker 1: 55:41

Only when email and these other things started being used did they start creating Word documents and all of these spy files that we have. I'd say 99% of them are just Word documents because the people that were sending receive these. They didn't want them to be in the internal system, they wanted to email them or they wanted to do a secure transmission over one of these 10,000. We used to have these fax machines that would be at every single place where David Miscavige go and it was called the 10G line and you would fax a document from one fax machine to another. And the reason it was called the 10G line is each one of these fax machines costed $10,000 and they it was encrypting and then de-encrypting a fax. So the only way if it got intercepted it would be gobbledygook and a lot of times these Word.

Speaker 1: 56:34

This is, ironically, the reason these Word documents were created was so you could send it or give it to the person on a thumb drive that was going to send your document to David Miscavige, wherever he was, and he, that person would get your document and print it out and put it into the fax machine. So the only reason these documents exist were likely because these were documents that were going to get sent or received over that system or a very similar system, and so they were written in Word and then printed off or given a Word document to the person that was going to forward it to David Miscavige. And that's also how David Miscavige would get documents to you and you just get a print out or, in some cases, the person would scan it and give you a soft copy of it. I realize if you're going to do all that encryption, then why are you making soft copies of these documents that could get leaked out? Well, that's another thing that happens in Scientology. Sometimes there's silliness that goes on that they're not thinking all about.

Speaker 1: 57:37

Anyway, I hope that this has been informative. I hope this answers some of the questions. We're trying to expose Scientology with these documents as much as we can, and we are trying to get these documents out to as many people as we can on different channels. I'm not only doing videos of them. Other people have these documents have been shared with other people and it's just complicated because they're so codified and there's so much Scientology's in them that if you just printed these out and somebody found them, it almost would be like I have no idea what this is. This is a bunch of gobbledygook, so I'm trying to decode them, I'm trying to explain how the whole system works and I'm trying to give you an understanding of where this might lead to. Is this the next operation Snow, wider than Operation Freakout?

Speaker 1: 58:33

I think a ton of these documents are insanely revealing about what Scientology does, and I genuinely think that these documents alone could take down Scientology if the right people in the right places were privy to them and understood what took place in them. And so it's frustrating that people are like, oh well, why don't we get more documents? Or why haven't you released my documents? Or you know, it's like, dude, if you were, if you were in KeaCuck and you had an argument with your wife or there was some familial dispute or something going on there. I'm not sure that your documents are going to be in any of the documents that I have or any of the other documents that I've been sent. That's another thing.

Speaker 1: 59:16

In addition to these spy files, we do get documents every once in a while from Seaword members that leave, we do get a few documents here and there, depending on if they even have any. Some Seaword members, when they're trying to escape the Seaword organization in Scientology, they're not thinking about what documents they can take with them. They're trying to get out of there. So, and I'm not encouraging anyone to try to, you know, get documents or that, if they come to me, they come to me. I don't. I'm not, I'm not eliciting them or trying to.

Speaker 1: 59:46

If you have documents and you left years ago and you find them, sure send me some, I'll cover them. If you've got some great, there's a lot of really good documents from the 80s and the 90s that I've seen floating around that are amazing, and then there are very revealing, and I've got a list of all these different documents that I want to cover on the channel, just trying to figure out an easy way to do it and in a way that's also digestible for this forum on YouTube or wherever these things end up getting shared on X or wherever they are. So I hope that answers your questions. If you have other questions or you have other documents that you know are out there that you want me to cover, let me know If there's a way I can cover them or if I can get my hands on the documents, I'll cover it. But otherwise we have a whole bunch more Tom Cruise spy files coming up that we're going to try to get to and we're still doing other series. We just when this video comes out, I either have another video with John, a attack that's either about to come out or one it's just come out already, depending on when this one gets released. But yeah, we're working it. We're trying to expose Scientology.

Speaker 1: 1:01:03

If you hear people talking trash about people in the world of Scientology, if someone is exposing Scientology and someone's trying to shut that person down, why would you do that, unless you don't want Scientology to be exposed? If you don't think that someone is exposing Scientology enough I'm not sure what levels I don't. I'm not exactly sure how that's judged Like, there's tons of people that have left Scientology and they haven't said a word because they just want to live their life. And there's other people that have troves of information and maybe they said one thing and then Scientology made a deal with them and then they they were quiet. There's all sorts of levels of this game that gets played, but the guys that are still in the game. They're still exposing Scientology.

Speaker 1: 1:01:53

I'm pretty sure that the least of your worries about the people exposing Scientology maybe the Marty Rathbuns of the world, like when Marty was doing was in the business of exposing Scientology. He was putting these spy files on his blog and I want to say that every single file that he put on his blog is still on his blog to this day and some of those files are crossover to the files that I have. So I don't know what Marty left with and I don't know if the files I gave, I have been given, were part of his files or they or his files were larger or smaller than the files that we have. I have no idea. But as Marty was doing this and as Marty started to get kind of big, it became the Marty show and not the exposing Scientology show. And as soon as it became the Marty show and then people started talking or disagreed with him or didn't want to be in his new cult or whatever it was, then he sort of started to draw these battle lines of oh you're not in my club, you're over in that club, and then that sort of progressed into well, now no one's in his club because he's back in Scientology again. So but we had that back when in the Marty days it was, there was all these divisions of people, but as soon as it became about the Marty show, there was nothing we can do. We had to tap out in terms of Marty, because it was just all about Marty and he was whatever was being like.

Speaker 1: 1:03:24

You can look back at Marty's content. You can see he's now he's getting arrested and he's antagonizing the protesters and he's doing things that are basically making him now the story. He's now the story and the story is about him and the content is not. We're not really. I mean, the squirrel busters were doing a good job of exposing themselves, but because he was no longer exposing Scientology, he was trying to stay above water and it turned into protecting him and the Marty show and and then that, and very shortly thereafter, is when he sort of rode off into the sunset after whatever deal he made with Scientology. Who knows what. What happened behind all that, and I don't know if anybody will ever know the whole story. But as soon as you start here, people starting to throw mud at other people that are exposing Scientology, just be weary.

Speaker 1: 1:04:20

Something else besides exposing Scientology is going on. If you're throwing shade at the other people that are exposing it, and and that's all that I'm going to say about that I'm sure people are going to read between the lines and say this and say that whatever do whatever you need to do I've been doing this since 2006. I've written a book, I've been on TV shows, I've did a movie, I did we've. I've done all kinds of stuff. I've been on TV in like 17 different countries talking about Scientology. I'm here to stay there's. I've already been through this a whole bunch of times.

Speaker 1: 1:04:56

Whenever this happens, it's not pleasant, it's not fun, but it is what it is. Scientology loves to. If there's a little, if somebody's got a complaint or somebody's got a little bit of a fire, scientology loves to pour gas on that fire and make it a big deal, even if it's not a big deal or even if it's nothing at all. So, like I said, we've been through it before. Likely it'll happen again. It is what it is and, yeah, as long as you're fighting Scientology, there's going to be nonsense. I don't think everything is OSA, but I do think that OSA likes to, likes to pour gas on the fire and they like to. If there is something there, they will cultivate it and they will try to monopolize and capitalize on any nonsense that's going around with anyone who is exposing Scientology. So so that's that's it for today.

Speaker 1: 1:05:51

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