Inside Scientology: Unveiling Jenny Linson's Rise and the Reign of David Miscavige - Scientology's Executives #1

Peek behind the curtain of Scientology's top-tier with Claire and me as we unravel the enigma of Jenny Linson, a stalwart of the church's inner circle. Discover the trajectory of a woman who rose through the ranks to implement the edicts of the enigmatic David Miscavige. Our series begins with a foray into Linson's early days, her ascent to the Watchdog Committee, and an insider's perspective on the intense logistics behind the scenes of high-profile Scientology events.

As the conversation steers into darker territory, we recount the climate of fear Linson navigated, charged with executing Miscavige's orders during some of the church's most controversial moments such as the Lisa McPherson case. Witness through our experiences the pressured atmosphere surrounding initiatives like the "Golden Age of Technology," and hear firsthand accounts of the violence and control that define life at the Gold Base for Sea Org members.

In our final reflections, we tackle the volatility within Scientology's upper echelons, including the Linson family's brush with the Reed Slatkin Ponzi scheme and its ramifications. Our narrative continues to invite those who've witnessed the inner workings of Scientology to contribute their stories to our investigation. Join Claire and me as we promise more insightful tales from the shadowy corridors of Scientology's leadership.

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:12

Hey guys, welcome back to the channel. I'm Mark Hedley, and today I will be joined by my lovely wife, claire.

Speaker 2: 0:22

Hello, hello. Thanks for having me on, honey.

Speaker 1: 0:24

Absolutely, we're going to do a. I haven't decided if this will be a Scientology Stories or if we'll just make this a whole new series. I'm thinking we're going to make this a new series called Scientology Executives and we asked you guys in the comments to let us know what you think we should cover on the channel. And resoundingly, we heard about doing the Private Investigators and by the time this airs, the first episode of the Private Investigators, Scientology's Private Investigators series should have aired. But another thing that we got a lot of requests for we're specifically a video about Jenny Linson, and we have been getting requests to do a video about Jenny Linson through the email, on Twitter, on the comments on YouTube. People really want to know about this Jennifer Linson executive that worked for David Miscavige for many, many years. So without further ado, here we go. This is going to be our Scientology Executives, Jenny Linson.

Speaker 1: 1:41

And why don't you? I mean, we did a bit of both. Claire and I did a little bit of research for this episode and we both normally our paths didn't cross right for the most part, Claire was in different parts of Golden Era when I worked at Golden Era Productions and then she got promoted out of Golden Era Productions into Religious Technology Center. So for many, many years, we are paths very rarely crossed in terms of working at the International Headquarters of Scientology. But in order to do this episode, we did a bit of research. And so why don't you, why don't you give us, like Jenny's sort of timeline, if you will?

Speaker 2: 2:25

Sure, and keep in mind, to our knowledge she is still one of David Miscavige's top hench women, henchmen, whatever you want to call it as of today. But so Jenny's timeline is she joined the C organization at the age of 19 years old, which was in March 1985. Okay, so as of now she's almost been in the C organization for going on 30 years. I don't have much information as to how she got into Scientology, but her mother, lil Linson, was a Scientologist. So at the age of 19, one can probably guess that she got in as a child. But there you have it. She married Tom DeVocht in June of 1986. And the first time she met David Miscavige and Shelley Miscavige was when she was working at the International Headquarters in 1986. So she was there.

Speaker 2: 3:29

Then at some point I think 87, 88, she was sent to the Freewinds when that whole all the work was being done to set up the Freewinds. Originally, jenny worked on setting up the Freewinds Ship Organization, which is one of the organizations on the ship that specifically takes care of all the lodging, the meals, all the services for the public Scientologists or civilian Scientologists who went to the Freewinds to do Scientology services. That was when she first had a lot of close interaction, working directly with David Miscavige on that project. Then, subsequent to that, in the early 90s, to my knowledge, she was brought to LA and was working on setting up a similar organization for Celebrity Center like the, and it was called it's called the Manor Hotel, so getting all the staff who would service the hotel, the meals, etc.

Speaker 2: 4:39

Somewhere in the early 90s she became the head of the Commodore's Messenger organization in Clearwater and and so that was. She served in that position at least until approximately late 90s, 2000. That's when I first met her was in 1996, but we'll get to that. Then when she was brought to the headquarters again was in again late 90s, 2000, approximately. And then she became the management position over Flag and which is, you know, the headquarters in Clearwater, florida, and then, approximately in 2002 was when she first became the head of Commodore's Messenger org at the base headquarters. So that was kind of the top dog position Watchdog committee chairman is also what that position is referred to as and again, I had extensive interaction with her during those years and she was on and off that post until about 2011. Then, subsequent, after we left, she became part of David Miscavige's personal staff.

Speaker 2: 5:59

Nice Okay there you have it. Overview timeline for Jenny Linsen as we know it.

Speaker 1: 6:07

And, and the other thing that I wanted to say was the. The organizations that run Scientology are part of what's called the Commodore's Messenger organization, and so when Jenny was at the base, originally in the 80s, she was likely part of the Commodore's Messenger organization and when she went out to go do these different things, she was likely operating as the local Commodore's Messenger in that area. When she's setting up the, the flag service ship organization at the free winds, or whether she was setting up the manor hotel at the celebrity center, and when she went back to Clearwater and was in the sea, she was again the COCMO and I think she was also another post, her in that what you remember, that other gal that was there.

Speaker 2: 7:00

Angie Blankenship.

Speaker 1: 7:01

That's right, angie Blankenship.

Speaker 1: 7:04

So between her and Angie Blankenship when they were in Clearwater they were sort of the head honchos in Clearwater that David Miss Gavage would tell things to do. And and that is when I first met her was when I went to Florida in 1993, I became part of the events crew and the events that Scientology would put on. They put on these seven different events all throughout the year and many of those took place in Florida at the Fort Harrison Hotel that there's an auditorium there and we would put on a live event and you know they pack a thousand or 1500 Scientologists in this tiny auditorium. And when we would go there as the event crew we would usually be there for a week before the event setting everything up, setting up the stage and the backdrops and the audio and the video and the cameras. We would shoot this thing like it was the Super Bowl and the video truck that would come to the Fort Harrison and park behind the Fort Harrison was sometimes the same people and the same truck that would have done a football game or an NFL game or the Super Bowl, and so we would stay in Florida for that whole week that we were setting up the event and we would stay at this place called the Hacienda Gardens or just the Hacienda.

Speaker 1: 8:25

Is it called the Hacienda Gardens or Hacienda? It's called.

Speaker 2: 8:29

Hacienda Gardens. But you know, as with everything, the terms get confused and complicated, and so it would get referred to as Hacienda.

Speaker 1: 8:38

Yeah, just Hacienda, I'm going to the Hacienda, or where are you staying? I'm staying at the Hacienda. So every morning the event crew would pile into these vans and we would go from the Hacienda, which is, I want to say, it's like like 10 or 15 minutes from the flag land base, which is all of those giant buildings in downtown Clearwater on Fort Harrison Street. And so we would go in this van and every morning we would see this couple running out of their apartment at the last possible second, like getting dressed on the way out, and we would see them every day as we were driving in. If, like, if muster at the base was at like 830, the bus for the event crew. I mean we didn't have to really be anywhere at an exact time, that we didn't have a muster necessarily, that we had to go to all the time. We just had to be there before David Miscavige showed up, and so we'd leave at like 820 to get to the base by 830.

Speaker 1: 9:41

And every time we'd be pulling out we'd see this couple and I asked, I said, who's that? And they go oh, that's Jenny and Tom DeVocht. They used to be at the base and then they now they're working down here and they're in the CMO or whatever and be like, okay, wow, these guys are like for real, cut my clothes. And sometimes Jenny would literally come running out in like her undergarments and be putting her shirt on and getting you know, getting fixing her hair or whatever. Running to the car just in time and they and Tom and Jenny had a car that they would drive to and from the, the Seward birthing.

Speaker 2: 10:17

So it wasn't a personal car, though right it was owned by the organization.

Speaker 1: 10:21

Yeah, I think so. I don't think they. I mean I don't know, I just know they had. But it was one of these accuracy Whatever David Miscavige was driving was the cool thing, and then sometimes the CMO units would get those same cars so that if he had to drive anywhere there when he got there he'd get the car that he liked, and he liked this. I want to say it was like an accurate TL, if that makes any sense, if that's the thing. But but that was the very first time that I knew. Okay, that's who Jenny Linson is. At the time her name was Jenny Jenny DeVocht. Yeah, tom DeVocht, jenny DeVocht, yeah.

Speaker 2: 11:00

Yeah, yeah, and I think it's worth mentioning too because it's confusing by terminology. Commodore's messenger org originally was set up to get Hubbard's orders done because he was referred to as the Commodore but of course he passed away in 1986. Thereafter the CMO Commodore's messenger organization was really the execution arm to get David Miscavige's orders done and that's how Jenny ended up working so extensively and closely with David Miscavige from her position in the Commodore's messenger org. But that said, so yeah, so yeah.

Speaker 2: 11:43

My first knowledge about Jenny Linson, jenny DeVocht, started in March of 1996 when I was sent to Clearwater as in training to be a representative of Religious Technology Center. That's when my path first crossed, because we were set up and working out of the same offices where the Commodores messenger org was for Clearwater. So Jenny Linson, angie Blankenship, tom DeVocht were the key top executives at that time in in the CMO CW, commodores messenger org, Clearwater. And so I think the first, my the first significant events that I knew that Jenny was very closely involved in was the wrongful death of Lisa MacPherson, who died at the Fort Harrison Hotel at the end of 1995, and Jenny was very involved in overseeing the the fallout from that and reporting directly to David Miscavige on what was happening, what they were doing, what handlings they were taking, because, of course, it was a very serious and and tragic death. Yeah, so that was.

Speaker 1: 13:06

I think Angie also. I think that's where her and Angie Blankenship kind of came on the radar, because Dave started dealing with them on a regular basis.

Speaker 2: 13:18

Yes.

Speaker 1: 13:19

Golden Age of Tech and Lisa MacPherson. David Miscavige was spending most of his time in Clearwater. We didn't see him at the base a lot during those years because he was just living in Clearwater trying to handle the the Lisa MacPherson case the wrongful death lawsuit that was filed against Scientology and then also because he was there so much and he was kind of running that. That is when he started getting all these crazy ideas about this thing called the Golden Age of Technology and that is when he was sort of like piloting that and testing that and coming up with these different ideas. And that's how I. That was my second interaction with Jenny, because when he was there in Florida he was showing films and showing videos to the crew all the time. So we'd be producing films or videos back at Golden Age of Productions and he would be telling us what he wanted and then we would send those videos or films to him and then he would show them to the crew. And at one point he had asked for me to come there and upgrade all these different audio visual lines all over the property and I did all of his offices. I upgraded his office systems. I upgraded his, his system. He has like an apartment at the Hacienda and I was upgrading that and and there was a video that he had spent weeks and months and whatever making this mixdown for this video perfect. It had to be like this more than any other film that we had ever done. He was very, very involved with the mixdown for this. It just was going back and forth and back and forth, and back and forth, and one of the things that he wanted, he wanted it to have a lot of bass. So we were about to show this to the crew of the Clearwater, that location, the FLB or the FSO, whatever you want to call it. Right before we, like five or ten minutes before we're about to show this thing, jenny Linson comes into the equipment balcony, is where all the mixboards and the projectors and all the equipment that ran the whole auditorium was up in the balcony, and she came up into the balcony. She goes I want to hear it, I want to see, I want to hear the mixdown and we're like what? Like she does this. We don't even know this person. We're like you don't have anything to do with audio, you wouldn't know if it was good or bad anyway, and you're gonna listen to it on some headphones it's mixed for this theater, it was a whole thing. Anyway, she's like no, I want to hear it before you guys play it.

Speaker 1: 16:05

So in order to play something in that auditorium, we had to mute the subwoofers. Because even if we turned down the faders to what went out, to the, to the auditorium, the volume knobs for all of the sound in the auditorium, even if we turned those down, the subwoofers would still go, and that because they were preset, they just get whatever they get and that they're always on. So we had to mute those so that when we played the video for her it wouldn't play, where all the people were filled up in the auditorium waiting to see this video, anyway. So she listened to it for like two minutes and she's like, okay, good, that sounds great and we're just like whatever, anyway. So we pushed the faders back up for the, for the video or the film or whatever it was, and then she left Okay, good, then David Mascavic goes up on stage and he says hey, I just been working on this thing.

Speaker 1: 16:57

Da, da, da, da, da. He's telling them all all the exciting stories behind the scenes and he says and now, and then he introduces the video and then we play it. And then, as soon as it starts playing, we're like, okay, we're good, everything's good, Everybody's happy. Anyway, I put my feet up on the mix board. We're sitting up there waiting, this thing's playing. And David Mascavic busts into the balcony and he's like what the hell? And we're like what he goes, there's no subs. And we're like, oh no, when she came up, we muted those subs before we played it. We didn't punch the subs back in, so there was no sub. So David Mascavic spent a month mixing this thing, making the sub, the sub, the lower frequencies, perfect. And then Jenny Linson comes in and he's like what Anyway? So I, what they refer to that? After I did that, I was sent back to the base in a body bag. That's what they call it. When you get busted by David Mascavic and you get sent back to the headquarters. That's called going back to gold in a body bag.

Speaker 2: 18:00

Yeah, not only that, david Mascavic announced that he did that at a subsequent briefing that he did at the headquarters, saying I sent Mark Hethle back to this property in a body bag.

Speaker 1: 18:12

Yeah, he told that whole story that I just told. He told that to the entire amp base and how I basically like I popped his balloon on his big moment that he was going to explain how awesome the sub woofers were in this video, anyway, and when he came up to the booth I was like well, we'll just punch him out. He's like you can't turn him on now, it'll blow everybody away, anyway. So that was my. That was my second Jenny Linson.

Speaker 2: 18:43

All right, and so, yes, my, my next interactions were continuing from March 1996. I, because I was, I spent about almost a year in Clearwater as part of Religious Technology Center. We were overseeing the Golden Age of Tech, the training so there were out of. There were staff there from all over the world doing the training and the training and our job was to make sure it all got done. And so I had many interactions with Jenny during that period where she attended meetings with David Miscavige about various matters that he was overseeing that flag, because he, as long as he was there, he was going to be involved in everything, everything and meet. He was meeting with the registrars, for example, those are the people that get money from civilian Scientologists and he was demanding that that flag get up to a million dollars of income per week. Yes, exactly, anyway, so, so, yeah, jenny was everywhere. Anytime David Miscavige was anywhere in Clearwater, at any of the organizations, jenny was always there attending the meetings with him.

Speaker 1: 20:05

Yeah, I want to say probably after late 1999 or in the late 90s I'm pretty sure that's what Jenny either came. And then Angie came right after. But he would always talk when he was at the international base in the late 90s. He would always tell us about when he goes to Florida. He's got people there that just get his stuff done and that no matter what he asks, it just gets done. And he told us this story about a piece of plexiglass that he had asked to be put somewhere and he walked through it like 9am and he said, oh, you know what they should have? They should have a piece of plexiglass here, so people aren't bothering that person and they have to kind of go around. And that's the way we want them to go or something. And then he had come back by after lunch and the plexiglass was installed and there was a sign there and everything. And he was like when I asked for a piece of plexiglass and glue water, they get me a piece of, he's like here. It's like do we have the money? Can we get it approved? There's all this bureaucracy. Well, that's not part of the space plan, there's not supposed to be plexiglass. And he would always. He told us I can't even get a piece of plexiglass here. And that is when, shortly after that, he had been threatening he's going to bring these people here. He's going to bring, and he had done this before. He brought people big shots in from other places and then when they get to the base they're schmuckos like the rest of us within a few months.

Speaker 1: 21:26

I want to say that's when he introduced Angie and Jenny and we were in a meeting in what was called the Lower Lodge Conference Room and it's right next to the dining hall and he would sort of set up shop in there and then he'd just have meetings with people all over the international base. He'd just have meetings there all day long, and so if there was a meeting that had to do with audiovisual production, then I would end up at that meeting, and sometimes those meetings had gold executives or gold production personnel and int executives, so like the CMO people or the RTC people, and we were in a meeting I'm pretty sure it was an event meeting and it was with international management people, rtc people, golden era production people and the international management public relations office that put on the events, and we were all together in a meeting and Angie and Jenny were there and he was cursing and he was like telling people to suck his big fat, this and cursing at people, calling people MFers and C suckers, and just in the meeting. And when he goes down to Florida, he doesn't do, he doesn't. He didn't generally use that language when he would meet with Florida people, but at the base he let his hair down and and they looked like they were in shock that he was talking to the CEO, cmo International, and the CEO, the commanding officer, golden Era.

Speaker 1: 23:00

They were like and when he saw that they were shocked he goes oh yeah, oh yeah. These guys are hard and criminals. When you talk to these executives, this is David Miscavige. He's like when you talk to these executives, you really have to impinge. These are, these Seward members, are the most counter intention, suppressive Seward members on the planet. And Jenny and Angie were like what? And then he told us more stories about how they were so awesome and that they're going to be following him around and they're going to be getting his list of all the things he's ordered us to do and they were going to be his henchmen at the international base. And I want to say that was late nineties, early 2000s.

Speaker 2: 23:44

Yes, so, and I remembered more since I made my notes here. But so, yes, I was. So I was brought back to work at the headquarters from Clearwater Florida in approximately February of 1997. And then I was in correction specifically for the management executives. Somewhere shortly thereafter Jenny was brought, Jenny Linson was brought to the headquarters and she became the head position watchdog committee member for overseeing all of Flag and also the free wins.

Speaker 1: 24:24

WDFSO or WDFSO and FSSO.

Speaker 2: 24:27

That's right, she was covering both.

Speaker 1: 24:29

Yeah, flag service organization, that's Clearwater, and then Flag ship service organization is that cruise ship called the free wins.

Speaker 2: 24:37

That's right. So and the flagship service organization which delivered the upper level of OT operating thing level eight, anyway. So so, approximately 1997, like later in 1997, was the first time that I became aware that Shelley Miscavige was very concerned about Jenny's interactions with David Miscavige. And there were a few reasons for this. Jenny would, on the once a week we would dress in civilian clothing, normal people clothes, and Jenny would always wear really low cut tops and with her makeup done and her hair done and all this.

Speaker 2: 25:22

And so there were a few instance, instances where Shelley Miscavige really took issue with this, and one where she went so far as telling Jenny to her face that she looked like a WH word and she was convinced that Jenny had was, you know, had intentions to start something up with David Miscavige. That's what Shelley firmly believed, and she had Jenny Linson interrogated multiple times about this and if she had done anything with David Miscavige and what her intentions were, and on and on and on, even so far as one time Shelley had Jenny interrogated to see if she'd been sent in to destroy Scientology by getting it on with David Miscavige. I don't know what else to say. That was the reality of the situation. But yeah, so. So even even back then so this is 97 time period Already then Shelley was very convinced that David Miscavige was up to no good.

Speaker 1: 26:35

Yeah, I want to say that when she and Angie got there, they the the women that at the end base, they didn't really get dolled up like they would put makeup on, but they weren't going all out Like it wasn't like, hey, look at me, that was definitely not a thing. So when they showed up there and they started dressing, like look at me, it was sort of like that's not how the women at this place do, that you know, this is a little you guys are like you guys might be showing a little bit too much. Okay, there might be. So I think that was sort of Shelley was like yeah, this is too much, this is.

Speaker 1: 27:15

I remember it was obvious that Jenny was dressing that way and there weren't other women there that were doing that besides her and Angie and a few of the RTC gals sometimes would get a little hussied up, but not not to the, not not overboard, like Jenny was doing, right. So I remember that that was a big thing. I was like, yeah, jenny's not coming to, like it would literally we'd have a meeting and be like Jenny's not coming, like they would have a meeting, and she just wouldn't get the call because Shelley was interfering in, like trying to game the system and I want to say that she also got rid of. It was another female that was one of David Muscavige's personal stewards at one time Georgiana Georgiana Irons and she got sent to the free wins to be a steward because Shelley was like it's too much and she was doing the same thing. She was bouncing, bouncing her assets around in front of Dave a lot, and Shelley was like nope, you're going to another state now, you're going to another country if Shelley can help it.

Speaker 2: 28:23

Yep.

Speaker 1: 28:24

And I'm trying to think that's also when we had it's funny that you say that because, right, I want to say right, after they got to the base and they were the head, they were like her and Angie Blankenship, we're gonna be the big boss, bitches of the base and they were gonna, you know, get us to get all this stuff done. One day I was in sets and props and I got told hey, you. I got called by RTC saying there's two people coming to work for you guys. In sense, I was like okay, and this happened all the time. Whenever an executive gets busted out of the upper echelons of Scientology management, they usually get sent to Golden Era to do like grunt work. We called it or the stuff that not even the guys in Golden Era productions wanted to do. So whatever we were putting off that we didn't want to have to do, that was part of our job. When these guys would show up, they would get to do that and that was a sort of a system.

Speaker 2: 29:20

Yeah, and that was the requirement from David Miscavige to when somebody was sent to do heavy manual labor, it had to be Like tasks that were just the worst tasks you could possibly Come up with.

Speaker 1: 29:36

Yeah. So when, when we went over to the sets and props area and then these two people showed up, it was Angie Blankenship and Jenny DeVoct and they're wearing, like you know, shorts and T-shirts and they've got gloves, like they're ready to work, and I thought, wow, that didn't take long. You guys, you guys are gonna do Jesus paint today. And they were like what? And we're like You're gonna, you're gonna clean out some buckets. We got paint. We would get sets and props, we would get paint from donation centers, so like, if you want to get rid of Oil or paint or like any kind of hazardous material, you take it to one of these places and then they recycle it. And we would just go to that place and just get all the paint. We'd say, what paint do you have? And they just give us hundreds of buckets of five gallon buckets or gallon buckets of paint, and sometimes this paint had been sitting around for 20 or 30 years, and so when we would get it, we would mix it all together, we would kind of find different colors and we'd make this color out of all these colors or whatever, but it was free paint and and so.

Speaker 1: 30:42

But some of these buckets have been sitting around for a couple years or decades. And so when we got those paints, nobody wanted to open them because they stunk so bad and we called that you open up the bucket. He'd be oh Jesus. So we called that the Jesus paint. So whenever the executives would come down to golden era, we'd be like you guys are gonna be working on Jesus paint and they would open those. And if the paint was good and not all dried out and chunky or whatever, if it was decent paint, then we'd have them filter it and do all this stuff and put it in new cans or whatever. But but it was just one of those things. Once these Boss babes or boss bitches or whatever you want to call them, show up to the base and they're supposed to wreak havoc, it's like, yeah, you give it a few months, you'll be cleaning paint buckets for me soon enough.

Speaker 2: 31:32

Mm-hmm. Yep, yeah, so. So from 1998 until 2005, during those years was when I was attending most of the meetings that David Miss Gavage had with management and Jenny was always at those meetings, from whatever position she was holding. First it was the watchdog committee chairman not chairman member overseeing Clearwater Florida, and then, starting in around late 90s, early 2000s, jenny took on the head role of WDC chairman, cocmo, and that was. That was an on again, off again position. It was like, depending on what was happening, who was doing what, jenny would get busted one week removed and then the next week should be dusted off and put back on to doing that post.

Speaker 1: 32:33

Yeah, there was one guy who held that post for decades or many, many years in a row and his name was Mark Jaeger, and Mark Jaeger was COCMO int, I want to say for most of the 90s, and then it was like there could be a new COCMO, and every week, if you wanted. I mean Mark Ingeberg was COCMO int and Mark Jaeger and Jenny Devon, I think Mike Rinder was COCMO int at one point.

Speaker 2: 33:05

First, he was, yeah, he was.

Speaker 1: 33:08

There was just like it and it got to. Even Wendell Reynolds was in Finanster but then he was gonna be COCMO in and then it was just. It got to a point where it was a joke. If you were CSM, see it, if you were the commanding officer of the Commodore's messenger organization International, it was probably gonna be for another week or two until the next guy was yeah.

Speaker 1: 33:30

But I remember that because when the and I want to say in the 2003, 2004, when this kind of whole thing started getting Created, at first it was the SP room and then it was the whole, and then it was just, if you're going up to it, it was just like, oh great, I got to go up to end.

Speaker 1: 33:51

But I remember when I was last there in 2004, I escaped January of 2005. So the last few months that when I ever had to go up there, a lot of the times Jenny was being the boss of all of the SP's in the hole. She would, or she was Fighting to be the boss. So somebody had to be the official representative of all these suppressive executives. And Because Dave didn't want to hear from all of them, if he gave them an order then they would have to have some sort of Meeting and decide, okay, who's gonna represent us? That he's not gonna just not even look at the dispatch. It has to be somebody that he may want to hear from, and a lot of those times Jenny was one of those top people that would would be the person.

Speaker 2: 34:42

Yep, absolutely. It bears mentioning too. I think it occurred to me while you were talking about that Jenny is also one of a very small handful of women who were ever Allowed to speak at public Scientology events. There was only there was Karen Hollander.

Speaker 1: 35:03

Rena Weinberg.

Speaker 2: 35:04

Rena Weinberg, jenny Linsen and I don't think any any other women were ever.

Speaker 1: 35:14

After we left, I think they let the Laurie Zern from able international, I think they let her do some stuff and when we had certain events, like if we were opening an organization and the Executive director of that organization was a female, then that person would speak at that event, but not in an international event that was at the shrine or Ruth Eckert Hall or one of these places. I'm gonna say, at most of those it was either Karen Hollander, rena I don't remember Jenny doing any of the big events that we did.

Speaker 2: 35:48

I don't remember maybe she did Florida events, but yeah, I think she did some of the Events, like a night on the free winds for June 6th, the maiden voyage event.

Speaker 1: 35:58

That's true. I could see her doing one of those. The other thing that a lot of people May or may not know about Jenny if people know about this person then they might know this. But she, her father, is a big Hollywood movie producer named art Linsen and her brother is also Filming TV producer and they art did movies like fast times at Ridgemont High and Heat and Fight Club and a bunch of her. He's done a lot of big movies with a lot of Hollywood people and and eventually, I think these days he does a Yellowstone. That's one of the big shows that he has now is Yellowstone and other paramount Properties that he's involved in. I think he does another one. The mayor of King's Town, I think, is that what's called is a King's Town. I don't remember. Anyway, he does. I think he produces that show and and and Jenny At one point I don't remember exactly when it happened, I think I want to say two thousands early, two thousands. There was Scientology Ponzi scheme guy named Reed Slatkin oh, that was 1996.

Speaker 1: 37:11

Okay, good. So he had a ton of Scientologists had given money to him to invest and it was just a big Ponzi scheme and he was ripping everybody off. But I want to say the Linsons had about two million dollars in there with him and because Jenny was a Seaworth member, a lot of the Seaworth members were being told you've got to get this money out because this guy's about to get, he's being Investigated, he's about to get busted. You got to get all your money out of there because it's all good, it's. It's a whole big scam that he's been running.

Speaker 1: 37:44

And and the story that David Mischavich told is that Jenny said no and that she was like no, I'm making a ton of money off this, I'm not taking my money out. And it was like but he's gonna that. I don't remember Exactly how it went down, but I do remember that David Mischavich joking that her family lost two million dollars because she wanted to make money off of the scammer guy and and I think between Art Linson and his wife I think they lost over two million dollars and that not scam and but that you bring up a good but supposedly that was Jenny's money that he had invested For her if she ever got out of the Seaworth, and I think that was the thing that David Mischavich was poking fun at.

Speaker 1: 38:32

Like now you're never gonna be able to leave because you don't have any money. You had two million bucks and now, because you didn't tip off your parents to get their money out, now you got nothing.

Speaker 2: 38:40

Yep and Jenny. Jenny also is different than a lot of other Seerig members in that she had money, she had inheritance money and and to my knowledge she blamed that loss on Her ex-husband, tom DeVocht, as soon as he got out of there. I keep she blamed him losing all that money from through the Reed Slatkin investments on Tom DeVocht to try and I think he was Whatever to lie about him. Anyway, um, yeah, so moving on. So you left, you made your escape on January 4th 2005, so the craziness that ensued in January 2005 was next level. Um, by this point I had been banished to the whole as well. That that took place in September 2004 Because I refused to divorce you. And so now I was working in the same offices with Jenny Linson day and night, barely ever going home, as I'm sure you remember. And so in January uh, I think it was, I want to say it was around Mid, it was mid-January somewhere.

Speaker 2: 39:59

Anyway, on a Sunday, uh, david Miss Gavage came down around lunchtime and I think Jenny and Angie had been working on preparing a speech for David Miss Gavage to do at the Fort Harrison annual gala, which was intended to Win over all the local Officials. They'd bring in celebrities to dance with the officials, wives, whatever safe pointing, as it's called in Scientology. Um, at least as I remember, this is what this meeting was about, um, and it could have also been other management issues that Jenny was supposed to take care of. She had stayed up all night, saturday night, working on this, and so David Miss Gavage showed up at the meeting. Jenny had had no sleep, looked terrible, uh, you know, big dark circles under our eyes, and Every single response that she gave to David Miss Gavage Infuriated him more and more and more, and finally he was like that's it, this woman is psychotic, what is going on?

Speaker 2: 41:09

And Jenny spits out I haven't slept in four days, sir, or something like this. So David Miss Gavage then orders all of management which is around this. I want to say it's like 80 people. He says that's it, you are going to make Jenny sleep. And so they and he was like and nobody is to do anything else until that, until this order has been complied with. So we were in this big conference room in the double wide trailer at the headquarters, um which was all the hole.

Speaker 1: 41:44

That was where hole was was the where this place was in the hole.

Speaker 2: 41:49

That's right. They dragged in a bed Into the conference room, shut all the windows and put all the the blinds down and made it dark and then Everybody had to stand and watch Jenny sleep, which I think she slept for like At least 15 hours I mean starting at like 3 pm On Sunday, going Actually she's up through till the next day, and we all had to stand there the entire time While Jenny's sleeping. Nobody was allowed to leave until a compliance report could be sent to David Miss Gavage, to say Sir Jenny has now slept. It was absolute insanity.

Speaker 1: 42:34

That is crazy, yeah. The other thing I want to say about Jenny is that I know that I personally attended meetings that Jenny Linson attended, where David Miss Gavage got physically violent with people, and there were also meetings where David Miss Gavage Would be like you guys never Put this guy's ethics in. You guys never do anything to anybody. It's always me who has to put it and then people would start screaming and punching or smacking the person that he was saying that. We never did that too.

Speaker 1: 43:10

And so there were times when not only Jenny was in a meeting where David Miss Gavage Assaulted somebody, she was in meetings where other sea or members were assaulting other sea members, and in a lot of cases she was easily one of the main Contenders when it came to screaming and yelling at somebody for David Miss Gavage or if David Miss Gavage. I will note this David Miss Gavage I never physically saw him uh attack a female, but he would on many occasions get other female executives to attack or to yell or to scream at a female so that his hands weren't, uh weren't soiled by that, and Jenny would be one of those people that would get in the face of Lisa Schroer or Liz Ingebur or any of these other female executives. That was on Dave's bad side.

Speaker 2: 44:03

Um, jenny was there and I know you were in many more Meetings that involve Jenny where other sea or members when he would assault somebody in CMO, in or in another organization that I wasn't in that meeting with yeah, yeah, and to reiterate, of course you know, because we get asked this a lot Nobody on that property was able to call 911, nobody was free to leave those 24 7 security guards to prevent you from leaving. Many times people were prevented from leaving. Just to you know, for context, it's was the environment that was at that headquarters. Um, it's a remote compound in the middle of nowhere, quite literally so. But, yes, no, I was in many meetings where Jenny was there as well, witnessing David miscavige, physically assault staff, including Mike Rinder, uh, mark Jaeger, guillaume LeServe, norman Starkey I mean we could go on and on and on.

Speaker 1: 45:02

Well, the reason I wanted to to bring that up is because we do have a document and this is how, um, this doc, this video, is going to end today. We have we're definitely going to do a part two on Jenny linson, because We've got some crazy videos of Jenny as well and but the reason I wanted to bring this up is because Jenny is now saying this is a declaration of Jennifer, elise linson and um, and I just do you have it there, do you want to read this? I do.

Speaker 2: 45:36

Yes, I, jennifer Elise linson, declare and state as follows one I'm a resident of california, a united state citizen, and I'm 43 years old. I am of sound mind and am fully qualified to make the following statements. Two I have prepared this declaration by choice, not compulsion, as an exercise of my own free will and without any pressure, coercion or duress concerning its content or preparation from anyone. Three I'm a senior executive of the church of Scientology International. Four I've been in the employ of the church since March 28, 1985 when I began my career in the sea organization At the age of 19 years old. Five I married tom devoct on june 28, 1986. Six I have known mr David miscavige for 22 and a half years. Mr Miscavige, in the years I have known him, has treated me with kindness, compassion and understanding that knows no bounds. I've spent more time with mr Miscavige and his direct assistance over the years than any other executive in the church. Seven I have never experienced nor witnessed Any violence from mr Miscavige toward anyone, including tom devoct.

Speaker 1: 46:58

This is craziness.

Speaker 2: 46:59

That is a doozy. I mean we could easily find 30 people who witnessed Jenny witnessed David Miscavige, easily 30, probably more. Just like off the top of my head, without even thinking.

Speaker 1: 47:13

Yeah, and this is how Scientology gets away with this in legal cases and in lawsuits, and when they get with law enforcement is if there's 10 people there and David Miscavige Assaulted Tom Devoct, well, they've got seven of those people are still working there and they get them all to do affidavits. So it's now Tom Devoct and maybe one or two other people's word against these other Seven people that they still have working there and they'll write they'll put nonsense like this in an affidavit. It's not a. If you're in the C organization and you work for David Miscavige, you're gonna lie. However, you need to lie to protect David Miscavige. So when she says I've never experienced nor witnessed any Violence from mr Miscavige towards anyone besides the Thousand people that she witnessed David Miscavige Violence towards, it's, it's the most insane thing. When you read this, is there more you want to read it.

Speaker 2: 48:18

Yep, yep, yeah, then this is what Scientology calls an acceptable truth on quote unquote, which is by definition a lie. Eight, I first met mr David Miscavige with his wife Shelley during the Christmas holiday season in 1986 when the staff of the International base and Golden Era productions went to Big Bear to ski and celebrate. Along with the author services, executives and staff, tom introduced me to mr and mrs Miscavige as his new wife. They were very warm and cordial and went out of their way to meet me. Having known Tom since the early 80s, tom was very proud to introduce me and to let me know how much he cared for and respected mr Miscavige and how mr Miscavige and his wife took him under their wing when he first arrived to the int base a few years prior and Brought him with them to a football game over Christmas and saw that he was not alone, as he was new, and new few people Nine.

Speaker 2: 49:20

My first working acquaintance with mr Miscavige was in 1988 when I was on a project to establish the free winds ship Organization aboard our newly purchased and renovated cruise ship free winds, prior to and during her maiden voyage. I think the maiden voyage was June of 1988, if I remember correctly. I Was working to establish the ship executives and crew onto their new posts and mr Miscavige came aboard the ship. He granted me the utmost care and importance on my job and I knew then that this was an executive like no other. He was Interested in every detail and proud of the accomplishment of the staff. And, let us know, that was my experience then and Continued to be my experience for the years to come.

Speaker 1: 50:09

Talk about cognitive dissonance, huh whenever, whenever we, when we do the Scientology spy files, whenever a Scientologist Falsely blows smoke up another Scientologist, we take a drink, just so you know so. Whenever Jenny does that, that's what I've been doing in the background there, folks who don't know the inside joke there, the arms chair and importance on my job. I've net in all of the years that I worked for David Miscavige. This is not my experience on any realm or factor. Factor there's like this is a. This is a great work of fiction. Folks, this is yeah.

Speaker 2: 50:48

I would even. I would even question whether Jenny actually, even Personally, wrote this. Well, we'll get to the signature page. Yeah, I you know. I'm just saying I Never saw any member of the C organization writing in affidavit except Mike Rinder and Warren McShane. Those two are exceptions to that, but I'm just saying okay, 10. I was removed by Commodore's messenger organization, cmo International, from my position in CMO Clearwater and worked for some months in the Fort Harrison Hotel, translated. She was busted and put on heavy manual labor. Right In the interim a project came up to establish the Manor Hotel at Celebrity Center International. I was called by international management to head that project. Translation. She was removed from heavy manual labor and brought in to come and save the day. Okay, I was called by international management to head that project, which I did. During this project, mr Miscavige came to the Manor Hotel with mr Norman Starkey to see what had been done and ran into me. He was warm and effusive, as ever, and happy to see me and what was being done. I've never seen David Miscavige be effusive.

Speaker 1: 52:10

No.

Speaker 2: 52:11

Nor warm, for that matter. Actually, now that I think about it, okay, in the it's a typo. Oh.

Speaker 1: 52:20

Just read it.

Speaker 2: 52:21

Oh, there's there's a bunch of missing pages. Anyway, to get to the, yeah, look, it goes from page two To page 18.

Speaker 1: 52:30

So folks will try and track down the rest of this anyway, I don't need to read 18 pages of this, oh god.

Speaker 2: 52:35

No, okay, uh, 62. Yeah, so see 62 points of an affidavit Holy.

Speaker 1: 52:41

Oh my god.

Speaker 2: 52:43

I just, I just noticed this, but I like, but let's so, we'll. We'll end with this part. We have incredible new services for new public coming out in october and much more. The future is brighter than it has ever been. 62. It also so happens that our greatest expansion is coincident with the departure of criminals Notorious in the searc for being such and now persona non grata forever. As a comment, it's fascinating how that exact language matches what we witnessed david miscavige telling jenny linson About the executives of Scientology for years.

Speaker 2: 53:23

Yeah persona non grata forever. That is the picture. No Scientologist would ever listen to their lies as they know the truth. That's fair. Instead, those Scientologists have left and continue to leave. Mr Miscavige has helped every single Scientologist achieve personal betterment. With Scientology, there are many people who would beg to differ. He has brought the church to a place in the world today where anyone can stand up proud to be a Scientologist and part of this incredible growing movement. I declare, under penalty of perjury, that the foregoing is true and correct, executed this 28th day of july 2009. Jennifer linson.

Speaker 1: 54:12

Crazy guys crazy. This is a tactic that Scientology, I want to say, over the last Two decades, this is a very, very common practice for seorg members To sign affidavits that are complete and utter fiction. They're during this and this is a video that we're going to show in the part two that we're going to do, guys, but this affidavit was sent To cnn when anderson cooper did a story on Scientology and the name I want to say it's called the history of violence. Scientology, a history of violence.

Speaker 2: 54:55

Yeah, it was a six-part series.

Speaker 1: 54:58

Yeah, and so Jenny linson, Marty Rathbun's wife and Rathburn, kathy Hawkins and Render. What was um?

Speaker 2: 55:12

Kathy Bernardini.

Speaker 1: 55:14

Kathy Rinder, kathy Bernardini these four went on uh Anderson cooper show and they trash, talked about their ex-husbands, who were all now ex Scientologist and suppressed, and and they became that the. The weird thing about this is that it's obvious that they were coached on what they were supposed to say, because these men had all been assaulted by david miss scavage, and so they brought the wives on to say that they knew every inch of their husband's bodies and they never saw any bruises or any any Signs that there was some sort of violence. But I want to say, during each part, most, most of these females that were on the show that participated in the show, they uttered the words I knew every inch of him, and so they became known as the inch wives on the internet because they all knew every inch of their husbands. Anyway, um, so yeah, that there's.

Speaker 2: 56:21

And there's no doubt, by the way, that that statement was concocted by none other than david miss scavage himself. There's, I absolutely guarantee it.

Speaker 1: 56:32

And I absolutely guarantee that every single one of those women either knew their husband had been assaulted by david miss scavage or they were there when it happened, because david miss scavage loved to beat up a dude while his wife or Whatever was around there, because that was him showing how he was the dominant alpha male of the property. Um, but we will definitely if you guys. So we know, um, we know of a bunch of different videos of jenny that we've got together. Um, if we tried to to to show everything that we show today and show all of those videos, this would be a three hour video. So we're decided to break this one into at least two parts. Um, we'll see how much we get covered in part two if we need to do then a part three. Um, but, um, yeah, stay tuned if there's other executives. The other executives that I think we're gonna talk about are angie blankenship she's another one um, mark yeager, uh, mark engber. Wendell reynolds.

Speaker 2: 57:42

Gio amla serve.

Speaker 1: 57:43

Gio amla serve. There's. There's definitely at least 10 executives. Heber gents, um, there's a bunch of executives that were famous enough that scientologists most Scientologists would know who they are, unless they're really, really brand new Scientologists. They're gonna know who these executives were and if you guys know of new executives, because we've been gone for a minute From Scientology 19 years, to be specific.

Speaker 1: 58:16

Yeah, but we know of all the craziness that was happening with the international executives. There might be Los Angeles executives or um clearwater executives, or even your European, like the, what they call the continental liaison organizations, or the, the, the cmo, in the different cons. Um, we would hear about some of those people and a lot of times those were people that used to be at the base and they were david miscavages, loyal people at the international headquarters, and then he would say, okay, you're gonna go to this continent, you're gonna run things for me there, and so a lot of these executives used to be at the international headquarters and then we're sent out to these far-flung places to to be david miscavages, eyes and ears on the ground in that country or that location of the united states.

Speaker 2: 59:07

Yeah, another one we should do is barbara ruiz, because she was vanished completely Because of the fact that she was one of shelly miscavages closest friends.

Speaker 1: 59:18

Yeah, that's true. She disappeared very shortly after, uh, shelly did, but All of the rumors that I'm hearing, or that she left the c organization, she didn't just, she didn't uh, just go get sent off somewhere. She was like Gtfo right out of there and there's a lot of other people. If you know of somebody, by the way, um, that's under the radar, or if you're somebody that's out under the radar and you, um, you want to know about a specific person Right to us, we, you don't, you don't, we don't have to give out anybody, your info or anything like that. But if you have information that you think we should have, um, then go to the bloom for good uh Website and go to the contact page and you can just tell us what you want to tell us. Um, did I forget anything?

Speaker 1: 1:00:04

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Speaker 2: 1:00:42

Yeah, thanks for having me.

Speaker 1: 1:00:45

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Speaker 2: 1:00:46

Bye.

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