Jenny Linson's Scientology Saga - Violence Allegations, Internal Struggles & Silenced Witnesses - Scientology's Executives - Jenny Linson Part #2

Uncover the tangled web of life inside Scientology with us, as we continue our multi-part series centered around Jenny Linson. My wife Claire and I take you through her journey—from viral moments to her familial Hollywood ties. We'll examine the alleged 'masturbation mission,' demystify terms like "PAC Attack," and dissect the organizational culture of the Rehabilitation Project Force. Your perception of the Sea Organization may never be the same as we traverse the humorous, the serious, and the downright bizarre stories that our audience has brought to light.

The shroud of violence allegations within Scientology takes center stage in our dissection of Jenny's staunch denials on CNN, contrasting the church's narrative with that of its detractors. Tune in for a gripping discussion on the internal power struggles, the reactions to accusations against the church leader, and the experiences of women deeply enmeshed in the organization's upper echelons. We promise a compelling investigation into how these narratives collide, crafting a picture of a community fiercely protecting its own.

Lastly, delve into the cloak-and-dagger world of Scientology's response to criticism, examining the orchestrated ambush of Mike Rinder and the meticulous surveillance tactics employed by the church. We'll share personal anecdotes, revealing the extent of control and capture orders, and consider the silence of former executives who've witnessed misconduct. Join us as we invite more voices to come forward, tearing down the walls of secrecy and illuminating the darker corners of this enigmatic institution.

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:12

Hey guys, welcome back to the channel. I'm Mark Headley, your host for today, and we are going to do a continuation of our series, the next episode of our series, scientology Executives, and we are going to do a part two on Jenny Linsen. Because there was so much to cover we couldn't do it all in one episode, and to do that I'd like to bring in my lovely wife, claire.

Speaker 2: 0:37

Hello, hello. Thanks for having me on, honey.

Speaker 1: 0:41

Absolutely so. In our last episode about Jenny we pretty much covered everything up until not only where we had left the Scientology headquarters in 2005,. But then we covered a bunch of her other history and other stories that we knew about her and we did get a lot of people who wrote into us and even some people that commented publicly on YouTube that knew her and I wanted to bring those up and then you can read those Okay.

Speaker 2: 1:15

Okay, sounds good.

Speaker 1: 1:17

Okay, so here's our next episode, jenny Linsen, part two. Okay, I have to put up that fun graphic there. Okay, so the first one you want to read. All right, yep, I'll tell you that is.

Speaker 2: 1:30

Okay, Fish Daddy, 35. When Jenny said every inch of my husband's body, quote unquote, she held her hands about 12 inches apart, which was unintentionally hilarious.

Speaker 1: 1:43

Yeah, and somebody, of course somebody. She actually held it a lot more than 12 inches, but somebody did a shoot of that and it's on the internet there.

Speaker 2: 1:53

I knew every inch of Tom DeVocht. Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1: 1:56

And then they show her hands about three feet apart. I'm pretty sure that that is Jeff Hawkins.

Speaker 2: 2:07

Okay.

Speaker 1: 2:08

Yeah, fish Daddy 35. Sorry if I have to do, jeff, it does have a. Well, it has a little icon there which I think is a picture of Jeff. But if I'm mistaken, I'm sorry, jeff, but that's what I thought of when I saw that and it is funny, and somebody did go ahead and shoot that up there for us. And then the next comment I saw All right, so Skip Press?

Speaker 2: 2:34

Pretty sure. Jenny is the daughter of Art Linsen, producer of Fight Club and other movies. Her aunt is the former Donna Linsen, Art's sister, who was married to composer Mark Isham. Did I say that right?

Speaker 1: 2:48

I should. Oh, I didn't know that. I knew Donna, who Donna Isham was, but I didn't know that she was Jenny's aunt. That's wild, because that is wild. They also got ripped off by Reed Slatkin we talked about. There was a big Scientology fraudster by the name of Reed Slatkin who was running a Ponzi scheme and I want to say probably 90% of the victims in the Ponzi scheme were Scientologists and even some Seaworth members, and I'm pretty sure that Donna and Mark Isham also lost a few bits of dough in that whole thing.

Speaker 2: 3:28

Yeah, I will comment. It never ceases to amaze me, jenny, how small Scientology actually is when you delve into the crossovers and the connections and all that. It just grows smaller by the second.

Speaker 1: 3:42

Yeah, that's true. Okay, then the next one. I saw you're going to get that one, yep.

Speaker 2: 3:47

CC Kruchko Smith. Jenny kicked me out on her way up AO's elevator to brief the captain on the June 1997 masturbation mission. I have no clue the actual mission name. She gave me only 15 minutes to gather my things and exit, thus I missed the crew briefing.

Speaker 1: 4:11

Do you remember that when she went down to Los Angeles in the 90s? Yes, I do, it was a graphics mission that they were running down there I don't remember if it was before or after when they had that whole big income flap.

Speaker 2: 4:28

This was after that the income flap was in 1995. And I do remember when Jenny went to LA and it was called Pack Attack or something like that and it was actually based on an earlier Pack Attack that had been directed by Hubbard, if I remember correctly, because Hubbard had always labeled pack as out ethics right, meaning there are a bunch of non-compliant not getting anything done, which is really insulting, but the origins were from Hubbard, not from Jenny Linson or even from David Miscavage. In this case, he just was continuing the Hubbard tradition.

Speaker 1: 5:18

Yeah, and for anybody who's watching, who doesn't know, we have slipped into a little bit of abbreviations here, but Scientology has a very large complex of buildings in Los Angeles that are all painted blue, in the Sunset and Fountain, sunset and Edmont sort of that area, and that is where the street. There's one block of a street called Elron Hubbard Way and that is generally referred to as the complex or big blue, or if you're in the SeaOrg, the SeaOrganization those are the guys that signed the billion-year contracts to work for Scientology. Those buildings in Los Angeles comprise what's called a pack, the Pacific Area Command, and it's a bunch of SeaOrganization buildings and facilities that are all in the exact same spot and at the base. We would, I mean, if you got busted from the headquarters and you went to the Rehabilitation Project Force a lot of times for many years there was a Rehabilitation Project Force at the International Headquarters but it kept being videoed and covered by media organizations, so they shut the entire thing down and anybody that was stayed on the Rehabilitation Project Force. They went to pack instead.

Speaker 1: 6:41

And if you did, if you ended up getting sent to the RPF from the base we called it being, you're going to be black and pack, because all the RPFers wear black t-shirts and black shorts and black boots and black socks and they run around and do hard labor and all that kind of stuff. So black and pack was meaning you're going to go to the RPF and it's going to be in pack. And so many people ended up going we were talking about this the other day because so many people would go to the Rehabilitation Project Force in LA that David Muscavige stopped assigning people to the RPF because the Rehabilitation Project Force, a labor reprogramming camp, was considered a vacation from the base. So he was like you're not going to get off easy and go to the RPF. You're going to stay here and do something and do things that are even worse than having to go to the Rehabilitation Project Force.

Speaker 2: 7:39

Yes.

Speaker 1: 7:40

Okay, last comment here, I think All right, richard Palermo, 90-20.

Speaker 2: 7:47

She was vicious when she confronted Marty at the airport. Yes, indeed, and that's one of the things we're going to talk about today, because we thought, hey, what better way to describe Jenny than let Jenny describe herself in Jenny's words.

Speaker 1: 8:03

We're not. I mean, in the last episode we did a bunch of her history. We covered some pieces of that affidavit that she wrote that said David Muscavige has never done anything ever. He's never been violent ever in the history of David Muscavige which is anyone who's spent any amount of time at the international headquarters of Scientology and spent days or hours with David Muscavige that's 99% of how David Muscavige is. I mean, if you were to add up all the hours and minutes that you dealt with him, I would say there's a very, very tiny percentage of that where he wasn't screaming and yelling and beating somebody up and just being a generable, horrible human being. So it's ironic that Jenny, of all people who's witnessed, very arguably, more episodes of David Muscavige being violent and not effusive in his compassion, but the exact opposite of that, for her to then write an affidavit and say that he's never, ever done that is, it's laughable.

Speaker 2: 9:11

Right, and let's just talk about numbers for a moment. According to Jenny's affidavit that we covered in the last episode, she has, as of today, been in the C organization for 39 years, and she has worked at Muscavige's side or directly with him for 38 of those years. That's wild.

Speaker 1: 9:34

Yeah, so she, she literally would know better than anybody that he is violent. Yep, and he insults people on a regular basis.

Speaker 2: 9:43

Right, exactly, and the two other comments I just wanted to make. Number one in regards to the, the Scientology Base pack that we talked about, I believe that that is the second largest single concentration of Seorg members in the world, second to flag. Would you agree with that? Second, to. Clearwater Florida.

Speaker 1: 10:06

Yeah, the flag location is the flag location or the Florida Clearwater Florida location. It has a lot of organizations similar to the big blue or the compacts or pack. It has the International Associates of Scientologists and it has the flag land base, which is like the flag crew and the flag Service organization has all these different organizations but there's no organization in Clearwater where you can get in to Scientology. It's all people that have been in Scientology for many years that go up the the different training and Processing levels of Scientology and when you get to a certain point, the only place that delivers the upper levels of Scientology Is the Clearwater location. That's a stark contrast to the Los Angeles area of organizations, because there's LA org and there's the advanced St Hill Organization and there's the American organization and so they have.

Speaker 1: 11:14

Like, there's many Organizations where you can go in and you can do a test or you can do it, a beginner course, and those sort of things. So but it is, but that is exactly correct. Between those two locations are a Majority, a vast majority of the C organization members, the guys that signed the billionaire contract, they're in Los Angeles or they're in Clearwater, and then when you start to spread out to the eastern United States base and the Canada base and the EU and the UK, they may have anywhere from 50 to 100 Seward members at those locations, whereas there's thousands in Los Angeles and thousands in In Clearwater.

Speaker 2: 11:57

Yes, exactly, and remember that LA, at least the, the members of the C organization that live at At that blue complex. It also includes, to my knowledge, scientology media productions, probably, and the staff who work at the Hollywood Guarantee building on Ivar and Hollywood Boulevard.

Speaker 1: 12:19

That's right. And you have author services and you have Another IAS office and you have there's a free wins office there. So there's probably I would say, if there was 25 different C org Organizations in Los Angeles, that that's gonna be very close to the amount.

Speaker 1: 12:36

Yes, there, oh, and bridge, bridge publications yeah, so they also have galaxy press, which is kind of an offshoot of it's, where they do Elron Hubbard's fiction books and they have to pay tax on those and it's a for-profit business. So those C org members, even though they signed the billionaire contract and all that, those C org members I mean last I heard they were getting minimum wage as, as well as author services and some of these other C organ organizations. But but yeah, there's definitely thousands and thousands of C org members that are there. Once to get back to Jenny, the, we don't have any more comments that we're gonna bring out, but one of the other things that I did want to say is that when Scientology is an illegal battle with someone and and David miscavige gets named in the suit Scientology Almost unanimously when he's involved, they say he doesn't have anything to do with Scientology.

Speaker 1: 13:39

He doesn't. He doesn't run Scientology. He has nothing to do with the day-to-day activities of Scientology. And when they do, these Affidavits, these phony affidavits, the one that we covered in the last video with Jenny, she's talking about how he was Covered doing everything. He was do.

Speaker 1: 14:00

Anything that good that happened in Scientology was because David miscavige was directing or managing or Controlling or designing what was happening, which is in stark contrast to what Scientology Argue when he gets involved in illegal.

Speaker 1: 14:14

So it really Scientology does this all the time when, when they get attacked for their front groups like Narcanon and the way to Happiness and Criminon and applied scholastics, they say, oh no, this is, these are non-profit arms of Scientology that are trying to help people in the world and we do all this. And Scientology when, when people accuse them of not doing anything for the public, they say, no, we have all these, these organizations, and they list Narcanon and apply, they list all these and then when they're being sued, when those organizations are getting sued, saying, oh, you guys are part of Scientology, they say, oh no, no, no, we don't have anything to do with Scientology. We're just a. We're just a Social betterment group that uses the, the Nonfiction works based on the nonfiction works of Elrond Hubbard, but we don't have anything to do with Scientology. So, yeah, they do this all the time. Depending on who's having the conversation with them, the truth morphs into the, into the truth. That's better in that situation.

Speaker 2: 15:21

It's never right yeah never.

Speaker 1: 15:23

Yes, those are our guys and that's just the end of it. No, no, depending on who's asking, those aren't our guys.

Speaker 2: 15:29

Yeah, and remember that they even created secular materials when they carefully edited Hubbard's words to remove any Scientological terms, to be able to claim see, no, it's not, this is nothing to do nothing to do with Scientology. And yet it is. As we know, it's just a front group intended to lure people into a very dangerous organization.

Speaker 1: 15:54

Yeah, I remember there was a lawsuit that was happening With some of the people that passed away, the families of people that passed away, while they were in a Narcanon facility in Oklahoma, and I remember meeting with the main attorney in that case and and he was like we were having a hard time proving that these materials, or Scientology materials, and I was like, oh, that's a piece of cake. And he's like what do you mean? I go, all of the courses in Narcanon or the courses they have in in applied scholastics, all of these things, they're just distilled versions of Scientology courses that have been watered down for Narcanon and all you have to do is just get the other course that's the Scientology version, and just put them side by side and you can see it's a clear as day. Oh, this is the exact document. But here's the water downward and here's there.

Speaker 1: 16:47

And then I think, once we had that conversation, I want to say within a, within a few months after that, scientology ended up settling that case with those victims. So but yeah, so the only reason we that I wanted to bring this up is that that's, this is the exact same thing that these guys are doing when they're talking about Scientology and they're defending David Miscavige. The truth is is sort of it's a very liquid Asset that Scientology deals with. It morphs depending on who's asking the questions and and we're gonna play you a video. I'm trying to remember which is first the CNN or the airport. Is the CNN thing the first one?

Speaker 2: 17:31

Yep CNN.

Speaker 1: 17:33

Okay, so we're gonna play some videos and this is, and we'll and I'll put a link to the full video I've edited this hour-long program to just play you the Jenny parts, the Jenny Linson parts, and then, after we play this, and then we will discuss and we'll bring up, we'll come back around to see how this works out. Okay, let me see if I can do this right. If I, I gotta make sure I got the right one first line, that's Tom the box.

Speaker 1: 18:04

Okay, so let me just make sure We'll start this at the beginning. Okay, so this is From a CNN show that Anderson Cooper did and it was called Scientology a history of violence and the. The women that you see on the screen there are Jenny Linson in the front and center, and then next to her is Ann Rathbone and black, and then behind her in the, the, the court of sort of tan Suit, is Cathy. Her name was Kathy Hawkins when we knew her, and I don't remember what her, what she got Kathy Frazier.

Speaker 1: 18:40

Kathy Frazier, and then you have Kathy Rinder that we knew as, and now she's Kathy Bernadini, and so the four husbands of these women, ex-husbands of these women, were exposing miscavige for his violence and beating people up and and all the things that were going on. And in this show they pretty much pin all violence on Marty miscavige or Marty Rathbone. Marty miscavige, marty Rathbone they pin all the violence on.

Speaker 1: 19:15

Marty in it like a three year period, it's the weirdest thing. It's like from 2000 to 2003. Marty was the one beating up all everybody and during that time Marty was brought to, he was basically brought into a position by David Miscavige where he was his direct henchmen. So like Marty would go meet with Miscavige, miscavige would say you need to go and deal with Billy Bob, and then Marty would go beat the police and then, and then Marty would go beat that crap out of Billy Bob and get him investigated and interrogated and all this and then he would Directly report back to Miscavige within minutes of the beating.

Speaker 2: 19:59

And so, and, but not only, that Each of these, the four husbands, or for ex-husbands, we should say that of these women, that of these women had all been directly assaulted physically by David Miscavige himself, in addition to Marty. Like it's not that, it's not that, like they had personal knowledge and had personally experienced David Miscavige's abuse.

Speaker 1: 20:26

Yeah, and I want to say that at least. So this is also a key thing to say. So all four of these Women were posted at the international headquarters, but only the three the two in front and Kathy in the in the back row. They were in international management or religious technology Center and Kathy was in golden era productions and she was in the public relations department of and in the sales department. She was in gold. She was only in golden era productions. She was never what, at least when I was there, she was never in international management.

Speaker 2: 21:03

She was she was originally brought there, yeah, I think. I think she may have very briefly been Intended to hold a management position, but she very quickly Was eliminated from that by David the scammage. Yep, exactly exactly because she had remember she, she had worked on the free wins.

Speaker 1: 21:23

Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna say was she had a different name when she I?

Speaker 2: 21:27

think he's Simone.

Speaker 1: 21:28

Yes, kathy De Simone, and and yes, she was brought because she was a great public relations person, for the free wins. So it was like, oh, we should bring her to the base. And I think the original intention that she was going to be International management, public relations or some high executive post.

Speaker 1: 21:46

Yep and within within a few weeks of her getting there to To, to on what he called on board, to that post or whatever. She ended up in golden era productions and she ended up in sales. At first she wasn't always in the public relations. She had to kind of, she had a. She had to grind for a few years in the sales department and then she was eventually transitioned to the port captain or the public relations department, and I think that was only after the guy that was doing that post ended up getting sent to the Relief rehabilitation project force. She essentially replaced a guy named Ken Hoden who got busted from the port captain post golden era productions and then she became the, the port captain or whatever it was.

Speaker 1: 22:32

But I'm gonna play this. It's it's only a few minutes and and we'll try to be quiet while it's playing, but we might Chirp in or I might pause it, depending on what they say. So, but the. That was the setup. So all of their fore husbands have already appeared with Anderson or have already spoken with Anderson and now Anderson is gonna confront them on David Mascavich, beating all these people up, and then listen to how they spin it and then, when it's done, we'll kind of fill in the blanks.

Speaker 4: 23:01

As we mentioned earlier, took top church leaders until today to sit down with us without any preconditions to discuss the allegations against their leader. They, along with the ex-wives of the men you just saw, say Marty Rathbone is lying, that he was the violent one. They called him bitter and angry the man who had him removed from his position in the church. Now here's an excerpt of the interview with the ex-wives. I asked them about some affidavits signed by senior church leaders that indicated a number of violent incidents stretching over several years. No police were ever called, no charges were ever filed and the church claims the leader of the church had no idea was happening at the time.

Speaker 5: 23:34

In 2003 it came up that Marty Rathbone had been mistreating others and at that point so for about three years.

Speaker 4: 23:42

According to Members of the church, your husband was physically assaulting.

Speaker 5: 23:47

It was, it was isolated incidents, it was this is an isolated incidents.

Speaker 4: 23:51

This is a consistent of early physical harassment.

Speaker 1: 23:54

That's from their affidavits that they say Marty was consistently violent, and then they're trying to spin it that no, no, no, it was just isolated instances and David Miscavige didn't know anything about it.

Speaker 2: 24:07

Right and and just to add one piece of information to Factoring. So I was brought into religious technology center in March of 1996 and that same month is the first time that I personally witnessed David Miscavige Physically abuse a staff member at that time was Ray Middoth. So now Just I'm just putting that for context when they say, oh, this was just isolated instances over the last Three years. No, I'm. I'm saying I personally witnessed the first, the first time, david Miscavige physically assaulting a staff member in March of 1996, very shortly after arriving into religious technology center.

Speaker 1: 24:54

Yeah, and the first time I saw David Miscavige assault Somebody was in 1990, just a few months after I got to the end property in base property, and that person was Mark Fisher, which we've talked about this before and exactly and it's in my book Blown for good behind there in curtain Scientology. But okay, let's keep going.

Speaker 5: 25:12

Okay, yeah, you're that we understand what you're saying.

Speaker 1: 25:18

So They've given him the stack of affidavits that says that Marty was beating people up full-time. And now he's saying this guy was beating people up full-time and they're like whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, because now it's, they're right there, it's already been flipped back on them and you see Jenny's like.

Speaker 4: 25:37

And here's what I'm saying, is that you, you, you were married to man who, for three years had up, was a high-ranking member the church, who was assaulting people and and and About it.

Speaker 5: 25:49

Mr Miscavige was not at the property at the time.

Speaker 3: 25:51

Do you not have telephones?

Speaker 5: 25:53

Of course we have telephones. I think you're being quite rude and quite insulting. Here's the bottom line. Here's the bottom line. There is no history of violence in the church, that there was Isolated instances and yes, you have that. You do have written declarations that Marty Rathman was a violent man. He was a violent, psychotic man.

Speaker 1: 26:12

Okay. So that's just an excerpt of kind of setting it up for them to then show all these different affidavits. But they say the whole show is called a history of violence. Because there's a history of violence and that's right, and Scientology tries to spin it, and they do this all the time at the international headquarters. Whenever somebody escapes or whenever somebody is sent to the rehabilitation project for us, anything bad that happened within a certain period of time that can be blamed on that person gets blamed on that person. And then David Miscavige will usually say Well, now that this person's gone, we know that that was the source of all of the problems in this area, and so he would be the source, david Miscavige would be the source of problems in that area. And then as soon as that person would escape or gets assigned to the Rehabilitation project for us, then that person and they call it a head-on-a-pipe in- sign.

Speaker 2: 27:11

Exactly, I was just gonna say that I like that's Hubbard's Terminology for it. I mean, I'm sure that's taken from elsewhere, like many other things, but yeah.

Speaker 1: 27:21

Essentially, the idea is that there is a head-on-a-pipe in the middle of the village and Don't do what that guy did, because he he ended up with a head-on-a-pipe, okay so and and, by the way, that head-on-a-pipe always would result in.

Speaker 2: 27:37

So, for example, when Marty Rathburn blew and escaped on his motorcycle in 2003, then there were hundreds of reports Written by staff on the entire property going Marty did this, marty did this. Marty did this. Marty did this, marty did this, marty did this, marty did this. And then they would also take Marty's Confessions that until he escaped from Scientology were a priest, penitent, confidential, privileged information that would never be shared. And then they combine all of that and compile a hate website.

Speaker 1: 28:11

Yeah, and so, and because you're writing those things and you're saying, yes, well, in a lot of cases, you're getting interrogated or you're in some sort of trouble and the only way to get out of that Trouble is for you to write up anything and everything that you've ever done. That would be a non survival activity or an overt or a withhold against David Muscavige or Scientology, and Then, and then they keep all that. They keep all those records very handy for when you escape, and then they get people to write reports On you, and then they take those, and then they that's how they build a hate website against you and and. But the thing that's funny to me is that we're talking about decades and decades of violence at the hands of David Muscavige.

Speaker 1: 28:57

This, this program, took place in like 2010, right? So Is it 2010? Yeah, it's when Anderson Cooper did this, so they're now it's so. This is seven, six years after Marty Rathman has left, and now Marty and Tom and Mike and Jeff and us and all kinds of people are saying, yeah, these guys, david Muscavige is violent as hell, and and they're saying, no, no, no, it was Marty. And you're like, well, okay, but that you're talking about 20 years. You guys have. You're just picking out three years to blame it on Marty, and now Marty's been long gone since 2004 and the violence continued. After Marty left Verified by these people like Tom DeVoc left and after Marty did, so did Jeff Hawkins, so did Mike Rinder, so it's sort of like well, how is David Muscavige beating up Mike Rinder through Marty if Marty had left?

Speaker 1: 29:53

Exactly it's not a lot. You guys aren't making all the sense here. Okay, let's get this back.

Speaker 4: 29:58

Baffa, david's from current and former church members, one-time colleagues of these former Scientologists, even their ex-wives. All these affidavits, swear, david Muscavige never hurt anyone.

Speaker 5: 30:10

I slept with Tom DeVoc for almost 20 years. I knew every inch of him. I never saw one scratch, I never saw one bruise, I never saw one black eye, nothing. No, you can't complain about anything personally.

Speaker 4: 30:25

That's Tom DeVoc's ex-wife, jenny Linson. She agreed just this week to be interviewed along with the ex-wives of Marty Rathburn, jeff Hawkins and Mike Rinder. Obviously, your ex-husbands have made charges against David Muscavige, saying that they have seen repeated acts of physical violence Preoccurated by Mr Muscavige. Is any of that true?

Speaker 5: 30:46

No, not one. No, it's not one.

Speaker 4: 30:50

Why do you think they're saying these things?

Speaker 5: 30:52

I think that they are bitter individuals who once had a life that had glory and Some form of power, and they now have nothing. They have no job, they have no life and the media is giving them attention.

Speaker 1: 31:07

Now, that is a thing. If you, when we show the next video, whenever David Muscavige sends people out to defend or To explain why these people are attacking, they always say you're nothing, you have no life, you have no job, you have no family. They this is for those people, it's not for everybody else, it's just for those people to make it like remember you Left and now you're nothing. And they and this is a common theme that you'll hear when, whenever these people go out and attack people- and they're going for that attention.

Speaker 5: 31:43

But we personally know I mean I slept with Tom DeVoc for almost 20 years I knew every inch of him. If he ever complained about something, if he had a headache, if he had a backache, he had me rub his feet at night. I mean I was his wife. I never saw one scratch, I never saw one bruise, I never saw one black eye, nothing. Nor do he complain about anything personally.

Speaker 1: 32:09

Even though she was at those meetings when he was beating up on these people.

Speaker 2: 32:13

Yeah, why would he complain to her when she's there?

Speaker 1: 32:16

She, she watched it happen.

Speaker 5: 32:19

Right and he would have told me because any anything that would happen I would know about. And besides that, that's not the character of mr David Muscavige, nothing like that. It's outrageous that these men are doing that and they're bitter and they're getting attention from the media.

Speaker 4: 32:36

I always said that no one came forward. I will answer you. I will.

Speaker 5: 32:40

I will tell you. At that point in time he had a personal conversation with me and said to me and I and said to me specifically, as he was bouncing his knee non-stop, jenny, I think I'm going nuts, I think I'm crazy. And we thought, okay, we can help this man. We're gonna have to help him with Scientology technology. It wasn't days later that he took off.

Speaker 4: 33:00

So I would hear the procedure for dealing with somebody who is physically violent, because in any corporation in the united states If, if a superior assaulted, punched, kicked, strangled you know somebody else in the company, that person would be out of the company and the police would be called.

Speaker 5: 33:16

And he is out and he was out. That's what you have to understand, anderson. So for, about three.

Speaker 1: 33:21

You see that they slip, they literally twist and turn it like he is out. Well, not because you guys kicked him out. He escaped on a motorcycle and so he was dragged. They dragged him back. That was like the third time he escaped and they didn't get him back.

Speaker 2: 33:37

The third time, the time, two times before that, that marty escaped, they got him back right and and I just love Like what is this now the third time that Anderson has asked why did nobody call 911? And there's not one single answer? Because the actual answer is nobody at that property can call 911. That's the actual answer.

Speaker 4: 34:01

Yeah, three years. According to Members of the church, your husband was physically assaulting it was, it was isolated incidents. It was. This is an isolated incidents. This is a consistent of Berlin physical harassment.

Speaker 5: 34:15

Yeah, you know that we understand what you're saying, and here's the fact.

Speaker 4: 34:19

What I'm saying is that you, you, you were married to man who for three years had up, was a high-ranking member of the church who was assaulting people, and and and. Mr Mischavich.

Speaker 5: 34:30

Mr Mischavich was not at the property at the time.

Speaker 4: 34:32

You know, I have telephones.

Speaker 5: 34:34

Of course we have telephones. I think you're being quite rude and quite insulting. Here's the bottom line. Here's the bottom line. There is no history of violence in the church, that there was isolated instances and yes, you have that. You do have written declarations that Marty Rathman was a violent man.

Speaker 1: 34:50

Okay, so that is the end of that video on the CNN show and I've put a link in the description to the entire video if you want to watch the whole thing. We only just chopped the Jenny specific portions out of that video. Now there was the other thing I wanted to say was there was another incident that took place with Jenny Linson. That was when her and a bunch of other executives ambushed Mike Rinder when he was at a doctor appointment and we were gonna play that, but we had in order to play it, we did literally have to bleep, bleep just about every single word that Jenny said. So we're just gonna put a link to that as well and you can. You can watch that or listen to that, what, whatever you like.

Speaker 1: 35:40

But that was another thing, and in that it was your nothing, you don't you. You left everybody, you disconnected from your family. It's just a more attacking of Mike, but in front of all these other people, including his brother, his daughter, his ex-wife Kathy and there was another Individual, I think Dave Bloomberg was there as well. There was a bunch of people.

Speaker 2: 36:05

So will hair. Gentry was there as well.

Speaker 1: 36:09

Yeah, so they just screaming and yelling basically the entire time. Okay, so the next clip that we have and this was another clip that people commented on and people, people wanted to see Was Marty Rathbun in 2014 was he was either leaving Los Angeles or he was arrived. I think he was leaving Los Angeles to fly back to Texas.

Speaker 2: 36:32

Yeah, it was no. Is 2012, 2012.

Speaker 1: 36:37

It was you sure.

Speaker 2: 36:38

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 36:39

Hmm, I have 2014. It's either 2012 or it's 2014. Folks, we were shooting a movie. Marty and I were both shooting a movie with Louis Thoreau called my Scientology movie and it was and I think I want to say that's when this occurred.

Speaker 1: 36:59

About the time this occurred, or in that time period, and Marty was at LAX, los Angeles International Airport now Scientology the entire time I was there, they had their not well, not the entire time I was there. They used to use other travel agents, but in the early 90s, scientology set up their own travel agency within the Sea Organization that could book tickets on any airline going anywhere and they could look up reservations and they could do All that. They had a, they had a portal into that system and they could see who was on those planes. They wouldn't be able to see the entire name, but if they knew the person that they were looking for, they could easily see that that person was on the flight or not on the flight, or what seat they had. And we've talked about this another, we've talked about this in a lot of other episodes, because it was a time when Jay my good friend, jason be gay and I were traveling to Germany and they had private investigators that were in the two seats behind us on the plane on an international flight, so they're able to see when people are going to travel.

Speaker 1: 38:11

That's the moral of the story. So for these three people to just Accidentally, coincidentally, show up at the airport at the same time Marty was there is not an accident and likely I would. I would. I would wager they weren't going anywhere. They just brought some bags to the airport and they got flights. They can book flights and then they can go to the airport, go through security and then go to where the same place Marty's going, and Then, as soon as they confront him and he thought he takes off then they just get back in the corner, they drive back to the base and they just refund the tickets.

Speaker 2: 38:45

Right and not to state the obvious, but lax has five different terminals. At least right it's, I mean it's a huge, sprawling airport and, personally, when it comes to coincidences and Scientology, I don't believe there is such a thing.

Speaker 1: 39:03

Yeah, when, when Jason Bague and I traveled to Germany, they met us at the check-in, like before we even got to security. They were there with with placards and and handouts. Unfortunately, they brought everything they brought they had made for Germany, so everything was in German, so they were gonna hand these out when we went to go speak to the German government and all these other European governments and and and. So they gave us these broadsheets that they had. They had they'd worked up about us, these hate broadsheets, and they were in German. So I'm like I don't speak German, I can't read any of those. They were trying to, you know, intimidate us with all these things. I'm like that's a, that's a nice picture of me, but I don't. I can't read anything else that you've got on there. Right and so, but how are the?

Speaker 3: 39:49

versions of them.

Speaker 2: 39:51

Yeah, the versions of those broadsheets. I think it bears mentioning that they handed out to our landlord at the time in Burbank, california. They had pasted over the German headlines with English, but then all the text was still in German. It was. It was just bizarre.

Speaker 1: 40:11

Yeah, it was definitely like they didn't think about the. We should make this in English as well right.

Speaker 1: 40:18

Okay, let's play. Let's play this, and hopefully won't they like to play right as I stick them up there. Okay, good, so, okay. So this is Mark Yeager. Jenny Linson and Dave Bloomberg are the three people in this video, and the person videoing Out of focus, I will tell you, is Marty, and I think Marty was recording this with his phone. And whenever you record something with your phone this is just a hot tip to any Struggling videographers out there you got to take that phone and you got it. You got to hit those cameras with with your shirt or with a sleeve or something. You got to wipe that off, otherwise it's gonna look like this Okay, and this one is Jenny. You'll see the hierarchy of these three in this video, because Jenny is the one who's leading this little attack and when she, when they walk away and she walks back, then they both, mark and Dave, both walk back and you'll see it as we play the video. We'll just let this one play and then we'll. Well, yeah, but the end.

Speaker 3: 41:20

Works great, doesn't? It Makes you feel good. You know, you can actually get your actions done. Marty, how would these things Stop committing suppressive acts Full time? Suppressive acts Full time.

Speaker 1: 41:36

Also who travels with a video camera, like we're just gonna accidentally run into somebody and video it. You had zero effect, none and nobody gives a fuck about you.

Speaker 3: 41:45

That's the truth. Nobody notice you're gone, man. No, but you're not saying. That's the point you are nothing.

Speaker 2: 41:58

No, come back home. Is that what you learned?

Speaker 3: 42:02

Brilliant. No, come back. Your TRs are brilliant. Why?

Speaker 2: 42:05

don't you show me your life.

Speaker 3: 42:08

Why don't you just stop committing suppressive acts and live a real life?

Speaker 2: 42:14

What are you doing in?

Speaker 3: 42:15

LA anyway. What are you doing in LA? Why are you here?

Speaker 2: 42:21

Why don't you just end it and?

Speaker 3: 42:23

start living a decent life and do something to help mankind. You guys do nothing to help mankind. Between you, mike is pathetic. You guys are embarrassing and pathetic, pathetic, disgusting and it's all over your face, brilliant.

Speaker 2: 42:45

You ever think longer before a flight Wow.

Speaker 1: 42:54

So they walk away.

Speaker 3: 42:58

Why do you do something with your life? You're an embarrassment, and embarrassment to the fact that you were ever connected to us, can you? People move on please.

Speaker 2: 43:11

That was good work. It's unbelievable. Can you move on please?

Speaker 3: 43:23

Very much. Wow, embarrassing. It's absolutely embarrassing to ever be connected to us. You have no friends, nobody cares, nobody's interested. You've done nothing. We know everything is some reason. It's a goddamn joke. No one gives a crap.

Speaker 2: 43:42

Can you move on please?

Speaker 3: 43:44

Can you move on please? Can you guys move on please.

Speaker 1: 43:50

That's it then. That's the end. I'm sorry the audio is so bad. The audio and video that Marty got there was not was embarrassing, but yeah, so you'll see. They've said they say these things. When we have run into these people, they say stop committing overts, stop committing present time overts.

Speaker 2: 44:12

And nobody cares. Stop committing suppressive acts because, according to Hubbard, that is what you tell someone who's a quote unquote suppressive person. Stop committing suppressive acts and in fact that's the first step to becoming not an SP, allegedly whatever.

Speaker 1: 44:29

Yeah, they have these steps called the A to E steps and it goes A, b, c, d, e and the first step is stop committing present time overts, stop committing suppressive acts. So that is. They do that to anybody they run into. They said I want to even say that in the ambush there's a video on our channel about them ambushing me at the. Did we do a video about that? About the day when I was with the Danish film crew? I thought we had done a video about that.

Speaker 2: 44:59

No, we should definitely do that, though. We should definitely do that, and in that one we can talk about the many times they ambushed me, yeah and the other thing that Hubbard says.

Speaker 2: 45:11

The other thing that Hubbard says that you say to a suppressive person is no, you tell them no and tell them stop committing suppressive acts. That's why that does frame that conversation as to what Jenny and Mark Yeager and David Bloomberg were doing. And the only other comment that I thought in watching that video newly is they intentionally tried to use the what's called emotional tone scale to talk to a person at where they think that person is at on the emotional tone scale developed by Hubbard. So that slimy smile on Mark Yeager's face was intended as 1.1 covert hostility.

Speaker 1: 46:00

Yeah, and you'll see, I mean anytime the Scientologists attack or they get caught on video and they're saying these things. They are, they have to follow Hubbard's policies or what David Miscavige has told them that they're supposed to do. So they have to kind of make sure. You'll see, jenny doesn't really say that much, but she says the same thing over and over again and those were the things that she was instructed by David Miscavige. You need to do this, you need to tell him this, and so he's an embarrassment. He means nothing, no one cares. You're embarrassing all these things. She just says, in many different ways, the same thing over and over again, and that is 100% intended. There's no possibility that those three showed up at LAX the exact same time, the exact same terminal as Marty with, and they had a camera with them.

Speaker 2: 47:01

Oh, and they were in the exact same outfits too.

Speaker 1: 47:07

And also I want to say, depending on when this took place, those three people would would not usually travel together that's a totally random group of those three people to be traveling to an event or be traveling to an organization opening or anything that they would do. I would say the entire fifteen years I was there, those three people never went to the same place at the same time on a plane to do something because Dave bloomberg is in. It is in one area. Mark jaguar, is that what for? Traditionally, for most of the time he was the commanding officer of the cmo international and jenny, for a lot of that time, was the commanding officer of cmo international. But I don't think jenny was speaking at events necessarily Like my mark, like mark jaguar was and Dave bloomberg, I want to say he was very rarely on events. He was a PR person but he wasn't part of the events PR usually right.

Speaker 2: 48:08

And also we should comment on the fact that, as you brought up the fact that david bloomberg had a camera and was instantly videoing and filming, that, that was for one reason and one reason alone. That's because that needed to be included with their compliance report, as it's called, to report back to david miss gavage that they did exactly as he instructed and the only proof of that would be A video.

Speaker 1: 48:39

Yeah, that's exactly right. When I remember that when I escaped in january two thousand five and you were still there and that they were letting you call me or they were letting you talk to me, while listening on the calls, you had told me a whole bunch of stuff because, jenny, at that time that this was right around the time where you guys had to, you were ordered to make her sleep. It was, it was literally right around that exact same time.

Speaker 1: 49:07

Yeah because you had told me and I heard this from somebody else as well, from the this guy named jerald duncan, who was Likely the v, the v person that between him and david miss gavage was the one who kind of set up my escape, but I'm. But after I left, you told me, you said jenny said this, and what, what, what exactly? What was the conversation?

Speaker 2: 49:33

Yeah, so the next day after you escaped.

Speaker 2: 49:35

So you escaped on january fourth and, in an unusual situation, they actually did let me go home that night, which was could have been a monumental Mistake on their part.

Speaker 2: 49:51

However, the only reason it didn't end up being a mistake was because jenny called me at four o'clock in the morning and, granted, I was half a mile from the property and with a security camera on the top of our house, right, yeah, so it's not like I was not being watched very closely.

Speaker 2: 50:10

But jenny called at four o'clock in the morning and she told me that david miss gavage had ordered the u b brought back, and that carried at the time significant weight in my world because I had seen many people escape and be brought back at the orders of david miss gavage. So, while I had packed a bag at that point and hit it under our bed, I had to put my plans on hold because I was under the impression that jenny was executing david miss gavage's direct order to capture you and bring you back. And jenny then began a complete investigation as to who had Been undermining your efforts to get david miss gavage's orders done and did this whole big investigation because you were one of the only people that was getting anything done at the time from David miss gavage's own words.

Speaker 1: 51:09

Yeah, and I remember that time to because I was I mean, I was slaying it up until I left. I was doing great, I was getting a lot of stuff done and I was building audio visual systems and they were getting approved, and I was doing my thing and then this whole thing happened and it was like it was, you know, like basically a witch hunt. And then, and then even after that, even the guy, this Gerald Duncan guy, he was like we messed up, you weren't, you weren't supposed to be in trouble. This was a big misunderstanding. And then I was just like whatever, I'm never coming back. And then you get on the phone and then you say, yeah, jenny said Dave's dave said that you're not in trouble, you can come back. And I was just like, oh well, then I know I'm never coming back because of david. Miss gavage said that it's bull because that dude never gets it right, never.

Speaker 2: 52:04

Yeah, you were. You were frying my ears at that moment. I was like, please stop talking. I can't repeat these words. The other thing that I remember telling you is I said david, miss gavage said you'll get all the staff, you need to get everything done. And you are like oh well, then that guarantees that I'm not gonna get any staff.

Speaker 1: 52:25

Yeah, because everything that david miss gavage orders Most of the time never happens or it takes decades to happen. Because it's just, it's a crazy thing when you work at that place, because there's a hundred things to get done and there's twenty people that are doing it and all he does is he moves those twenty people around those hundred things endlessly, so nothing gets done. Everything gets a little done instead of just saying, okay, we have ten things to do, let's have twenty people work on those ten things. And so everyone's always spread to thin and everyone's always staying up all night. Because you stayed up all night, you didn't sleep. And because you didn't sleep, you mess up the thing.

Speaker 1: 53:06

And then it's like a big investigation why did this get messed up? And it's like well, they haven't slept in two weeks, so that's why there's typos, because their brains don't work, and it's just, it's a never ending, just, it's like a, it's just a rat race, just a rat race that just sort of, just like this is never, it's the most inefficient way to do things. And then in the midst of that you're gonna get beat up, so like you can work, work, work, work, work, work, work, work, and then it's gonna fail, and then you're all gonna get in trouble, some people are gonna get beat up, and then it just resets and it's just with a different group of people. And then, when they get busted and they get beat up and it's like, okay, bring the, bring the last crew back in. And then the last crew have all been refreshed and it's like, okay, now you guys are up and you're just like, oh man, here we go.

Speaker 2: 53:55

Yep, here we go again.

Speaker 1: 53:57

So thank you for everybody who commented on the the last video we did of Jenny. We're making a list of all the different executives. We're definitely gonna do Mark Yeager, mark Yeager. We're gonna do Angie Blankenship probably.

Speaker 2: 54:13

David Bloomberg.

Speaker 1: 54:15

David Bloomberg will do all the heavy hitters and and we think we're gonna take the people that have done that if you, if an executive in Scientology did one of these affidavits, likely those are the people that we're gonna, we're gonna try to cover because they're there. It's one thing when you say, okay, well, yeah, but there was all these other people that that were there and Well, yeah, that's the difference between the different types of people. If you work there for 15 years and, like me, I worked in audio visual, so I saw things, you know, that went on, that were like this is crazy, I don't know if this is the way this should be happening. And then, when I got out in the real world, I found out, oh yeah, that's not how these things should be happening. And so then I start speaking out about them.

Speaker 1: 55:02

The people that have that were part of this, like Angie Blankenship. She saw all the same things, she knows about all the same violence, but she chose to make a deal with Scientology and just go and do that and no consequences. She does not, she's not exposing anybody, she's not telling anything. She saw illegal, nefarious whatever.

Speaker 2: 55:24

She's not cooperating with law enforcement. She hasn't reported any of the crimes she was involved in or was aware of. Tommy Davis is another person in that category.

Speaker 1: 55:33

Yeah, so there's two groups of these people, because there's more ex C org members than there are C org current C org members by by many fold. Like, if there's Five thousand current C org members, there's probably thirty thousand ex C org members that are floating around and probably several hundred of those Know about the violence and know about these illegal things that they could easily go to law enforcement and say, hey, this guy did this and this guy did that, and then you know you could have your hands clean. But and it's not illegal if you did, if you that's another thing I did want to mention. This kind of ties into that. We had a lot of ex C org and a lot of ex Scientologists contact us when we start talking about these. The private investigators or the executives were getting more C org members and ex C org members and ex Scientologists contacting us telling us, oh, I knew this and I knew that, I know this person. So the thing that separates those people are the people that that leave and then go. Yeah, there was wrong doing there. And then they report it, even if you've signed one of these non disclosure agreements with Scientology and they paid you fifty thousand dollars or a hundred thousand dollars or ten thousand dollars, it's doesn't.

Speaker 1: 56:52

That doesn't make it, so you cannot report illegal activities to law enforcement. There. There's no NDA that you can sign that prevents you from reporting a crime to law enforcement, so that's also something that you could do. You could report to law enforcement and they don't necessarily have to reveal your name, and so you could report the legal acts that you know and still maintain your your non disclosure agreement. And if you do have something like that in place, it's not a bad idea to get that side check by a lawyer or side checked by somebody that has your best interests in mind.

Speaker 1: 57:35

But as far as I know and I'm not a legal expert, I'm not an attorney, I'm not giving you legal advice but it is not illegal To report a crime. It's it's it's. If anything, it's the other way, you should most likely report it and not let it go by. And that is that, I think, is the main Determining factor on is this person still you know towing the line for Scientology, or are they not? If you're reporting Scientology to law enforcement, that is a suppressive act in Scientology. But if you've left Scientology and you no longer participating, like what's the harm of reporting them to the to police or law enforcement.

Speaker 2: 58:17

So yeah, I'm sure it's your responsibility to.

Speaker 1: 58:21

Yeah, and that is one of the ways that Scientology has kept out of trouble is when any of these things are reported, like in the case of this Anderson Cooper thing. You've got a multitudes of X members reporting about the violence. The only defense Scientology has against that is a bunch of affidavits they don't want to get in a. They don't want to get into a legal battle with these people because it would open them up to Discovery and then you could get folders and files that they're not allowed to destroy. That would then document violence taking place and and Scientology, they know they know how to navigate this legal arena because they've been doing this for 70 years. They know exactly what they can and can't do to stay out of trouble. And and a lot of times David, miss Gavage, will ignore those things Because he wants it done a certain way and he'll tell we're doing it this way and the lawyers you got to figure out how we can do it this way and sometimes that backfires and sometimes it doesn't, so it's wild.

Speaker 1: 59:28

But yeah, we're gonna cover some of these other executives. Who else are we gonna do? Who else should we do? If you know of somebody that we didn't mention, put it in the comments. Bleep, bleep it in the comments down there If there's somebody that you want to want us to cover and if there's enough material or if we know enough, because a lot of these People I mean we work there for over a decade we know a lot of these people for years and years and years and so when they write one of these affidavits, it's really easy to pick out, like all the people that you've seen today, the every single one of the people that the inch wives, dave Bloomberg, mark Gager, all of these people have all witnessed David Miss Gavage get physically violent with somebody, guaranteed. I've been in meetings, in different meetings about different things, with all of these people, and I guarantee you that David Miss Gavage has assaulted somebody in one or many of those meetings that took place.

Speaker 2: 1:00:21

So yeah, it's not hey and hey, let's just throw out there too. If you knew or worked with any of these executives and want to come in, come on and talk with Us about it, about your experiences, drop us a message.

Speaker 1: 1:00:34

Yeah, that is the other thing we're gonna do. We are going. We've already gotten people that have written X, c, or members or ex Scientologists that knew different things that have offered to do this. So every once in a while, one of these exec one of these executive series videos Scientology executive Series that we do every once in a while we're gonna get somebody on that worked with that person to just have them tell us the stories like we might. We might actually end up doing that for the private investigator series as well, because those people, the private investigators there's a lot of ex members who've been hounded or even infiltrated, like some of these Private investigators worked at their company like right, it's not like they were just watching them and and get steel in their garbage.

Speaker 1: 1:01:21

Every week they were in the next office over, or they were going on business trips with the ex members, pretending like they were literally getting paid by Scientology to spy on these people and they were getting paid by the ex members company to work there. And so they're double-dipping and Like a spy essentially a spy in their company right.

Speaker 1: 1:01:46

Okay, guys Is there. Did I forget anything? Do we forget anything about Jenny? I think we covered everything.

Speaker 2: 1:01:52

I think that covers everything for now.

Speaker 1: 1:01:55

Let us know in the comments if there's what private investigators you want us to cover, what Scientology executives you want us to cover, and and we'll tally those up. And if we've got something good that we can make an episode out of, we'll do it.

Speaker 2: 1:02:09

And yeah, and one last thing to mention the affidavit, affidavit from Jenny. We're still searching for the missing pages, so if we've hunt that down or if you have a hot lead, please do let us know, because I'm sure there's amazing Dastardly material in Missing pages.

Speaker 1: 1:02:30

Totally, and I did want to mention this. If you do have, if you do find the document and it's linked, it's, it's up on the internet somewhere Go to the blown for good comm contact page and you can write a message and send it to us there. And you can also do it anonymously. You can just say you know, billy Bob, one, two, three or whatever you want to say, without exposing who you are. But if you do it in the comments on a video, if you have a link, youtube doesn't the way the comments are set up. It flags comments with links in them because it might just be spam or we.

Speaker 1: 1:03:04

We try to not let people put links in there because it's that YouTube comment section is a very Ripe area for scams. People pretend to be us and then they say oh, if you want to do this, support this, it's not us. So if you do want to send us a link, go to the blow for good comm page Contact page and then you can get us something there and then that way it gets through and yeah, I think we're good, is there? If there's nothing else, I think we're gonna, we're gonna wrap it. Thanks, guys, thanks for joining us and yeah, if you, if you enjoyed this, like and subscribe and all that, happy hoo-ha and we will see you on the next one. Until next time.

Speaker 2: 1:03:42

Bye.

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