Unmasking Scientology's Secrets: Gift-Giving, Freeloader Debts, and David Miscavige's Shadowy Reign Scientology Q&A #2 w/ Claire & Marc Headley

Ever wondered if David Miscavige gifts presents to Sea Org members or how fabricated reports come into play in Scientology? Get ready for an eye-opening Q&A session where we address these burning questions and much more. From our personal stories of receiving gifts—including a memorable phone—to Claire's unwavering support for Manchester United, this episode is packed with engaging anecdotes and surprising revelations. We also demystify the concept of unenforceable freeloader debts and how Scientology tries to leverage them against former members, with a special teaser for an upcoming deep dive into our own freeloader bills.

Claire opens up about her aspiration to write a book and a missed opportunity to deliver a TED Talk due to the pandemic. Our conversation takes a serious turn as we discuss ongoing harassment by Scientology, the bizarre "running program," and the mysterious circumstances surrounding the death of Shelley Miscavige's mother, Flo. Claire also breaks down the manipulative tactics of Scientology auditing, which often shifts blame onto the individual for any negative experiences, and shares how ex-Scientologists can regain good standing within the organization.

In a lighter segment, we touch on the humorous side of Scientology, including an amusing misunderstanding where L. Ron Hubbard was mistaken for Colonel Sanders. Learn about the origin of the Mike Rinder bobblehead and its current role in raising funds for the Aftermath Foundation. We also share insights on the humor in the Riff Trax version of "Battlefield Earth" and the troubling practices within Scientology's Narconon rehab centers. Through personal anecdotes, from Marc's dramatic escape to the lack of affection between David and Shelly Miscavige, we paint a vivid picture of life inside the Sea Org and Scientology's hostile stance towards psychologists. Join us for a captivating episode that blends humor, personal stories, and critical insights.

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:13

Welcome to the Blown for Good podcast. My name is Mark Headley and we have gotten a lot of requests from listeners to do a Q&A series on Scientology for the podcast, so that's exactly what we've done. We've done a lot of Q&As over the past year or two and we've assembled these Q&As into podcasts and that's what you're going to hear now. So thank you very much for listening. And here is Scientology Q and a. Okay, so I guess we could. Oh yeah, Look at here. Does DM give all CEO members presence?

Speaker 2: 0:51

No, he only gets them. Um, yeah, no, I don't remember him ever giving anybody Did any some people he gave me a phone one time yeah, remember, he gave me a next little chirpy circle that he can count on to do bad deeds, those people he'll give presents to.

Speaker 1: 1:16

Yeah like okay, so we have 153 people in here, so if you guys have questions, you can go ahead and start putting them up in the comments. The last video that I did, I showed a document where Kirsten had just called you and gotten ahold of you on the phone. She said that Suzette had mentioned you were starting your men's project. I think it was like two or three days, well, maybe, maybe more than that, but it was a handful of days since kale was born and then you were basically like hey, I'm taking care of a baby now.

Speaker 2: 1:57

So for the record, suzette and I Suzette being Shelly's half sister we never had any conversation about me doing an amends project or her doing an amends project, for that matter.

Speaker 1: 2:12

And this is a funny thing I wanted to say yeah, is that Kirsten is writing these reports and no one can verify any of the facts in them. And no one can verify any of the facts in them. So, you'll see, they kind of get fast and loose with the facts and she's kind of pumping herself out like I did this and we got this, but nobody knows that. She's just totally full of it and just making stuff up and then you kind of see that basically, like as the reports go, like reality is showing a much different scene than Kirsten's been painting.

Speaker 2: 2:54

Yes, exactly.

Speaker 1: 2:56

Okay, so let's do it.

Speaker 2: 3:00

Yes, we are in two different rooms of the same house. Crystal I'm on the main floor and Mark is in the basement. That's right?

Speaker 1: 3:09

Yes, we are in two different rooms of the same house. Crystal, I'm on the main floor and Mark is in the basement. That's right. I get relegated to the basement, okay, so I'm going to start answering questions here that are on the screen. Jamie for real, mark and Claire, did you see my video version of your song Blown For Good? Well, I didn't know, it was Jamie for real, but I did see one in one of the comments, but I couldn't figure out how to communicate with that person. I think I said in the comments that I loved it, but, um, I don't know exactly how to get it.

Speaker 2: 3:38

You told me that you loved it, but I could never find it, so I haven't seen it. But I would love to yeah, okay.

Speaker 1: 3:46

So let's just see, just set up a round table and use two webcams. Yeah, if it were that easy. Steven britain. Um, does anybody have any questions? There's a lot of comments, but not a lot of questions. Okay, here we go. Bingo, hey, mark. Question for Claire, as she's British what?

Speaker 2: 4:14

football team does she support? My answer to that is man United.

Speaker 1: 4:18

There you go.

Speaker 2: 4:18

I was born in Manchester.

Speaker 1: 4:20

Just say man U, but that doesn't mean you don't like man City.

Speaker 2: 4:25

I never said I didn't like man city.

Speaker 1: 4:27

I said well I know, but you said you were born in Manchester.

Speaker 2: 4:29

So football team do I support? The answer is man you.

Speaker 1: 4:33

Okay, man, you Okay good, here we go Um. Let's see New comments, here we go. Look at this. I don't JLD.

Speaker 2: 4:52

JLD is me.

Speaker 1: 4:55

JLD is me. Aren't you glad that you don't have to give any money for DM's Christmas present anymore?

Speaker 2: 5:01

Yes, yes, yes, so thankful.

Speaker 1: 5:07

Okay, oh, they're going so fast.

Speaker 1: 5:13

Oh, here we go. Ooh, got to get it before it goes away. Okay, app blown for good. Exposing Scientology since 2006. Oh, yeah, that's what. I changed the channel name to see if that would get any more play. Has Mike had time to figure out if he was the one being CC's on all those spy reports? Yeah, no, he wasn't being CC'd. They were an important document that he had answers to. He would respond, and if he didn't, he would just give it to somebody else and say can you answer this? Get an answer, and then they would either write back to the person as him or they'd give him the answer and then he'd just send it back. So, um, okay, here we go. Oh, can they sue a person for the free loader debt? How do they collect it? Okay, that's a great question. Um, no, they cannot sue a person. It's actually illegal for them to issue a freeloader debt. So as soon as I realized that, I was like yeah, you guys are never going to see a penny of that money. Oh, did we?

Speaker 2: 6:37

do the freeloader.

Speaker 1: 6:39

Oh, we didn't do that one that's. The next video that's coming out next week is the freeloader bills for Claire and myself. We're going through every single line item. It's pretty crazy.

Speaker 2: 6:52

Freeloader bills deep dive right. Yes, no, I was going to say in terms of how did they collect it? The freeloader bill is part of their A to E steps. So when you're declared a suppressive person, you have to do their steps A through E, and the leverage that they have over a person is that, for example, if I ever wanted to speak to my mother again, I would have to pay that bill as part of as one of those steps A to E. So how do they collect it? They use the leverage they have over you of wanting to speak to your family to incentivize you to pay that bill.

Speaker 1: 7:35

Exactly Okay, here's one for you, Claire.

Speaker 2: 7:38

Okay, where in the UK are you from originally? I'm from Norfolk, uk, nice. I was born in Manchester, england. My parents were both in Scientology. My mother then joined this organization when I was four years old, at which point we moved to East Grinstead, west Sussex area. We were in Brighton for a little bit and East Grinstead area. So there you go. That's the answer Brighton for a little bit and East Grinstead area. So there you go.

Speaker 1: 8:04

That's the answer. Okay, cool, here's another one. What was the most extravagant president DM got?

Speaker 2: 8:12

Pick me. I know the answer. Okay, it was the BMW that he was given from ASI. That's right In 2004.

Speaker 1: 8:22

Yeah, it was a BMW 7, and it was tricked out and he didn't correct me if I'm wrong, but I think he left it in LA and he didn't have it at the base. A lot at first.

Speaker 2: 8:39

Funny story about that. I had to sec check Barbara, so I had to interrogate using the e e-meter, barbara Ruiz, who was the Move up a little, you're like down in the Sorry.

Speaker 1: 8:49

You can move your camera if you want. There you go.

Speaker 2: 8:54

Okay, I had to interrogate Barbara Ruiz, the head of author services Inc. Because they got that car for David Miscavige, because the way in which they did the paperwork would have been construed as inurement by the IRS had it been investigated.

Speaker 1: 9:20

But I mean, I don't remember what. It's hard to remember. Presents, I guess not. It doesn't mean a Christmas present, it could be a birthday present too, I think. I think that's it because ASI had tons of money. So, and the people at ASI, how much did they get paid? They get a few hundred dollars a week at asi they did.

Speaker 2: 9:43

But the way, yeah, the way that this, this uh bmw was purchased is that each staff member was given a bonus that was a certain like several thousands of dollars, and then they just turned around back around and gave it back to asi to to purchase this bmw. So that's how it was done and it was just. There was something about it that was really well. There were several parts about it that were really funky.

Speaker 1: 10:13

Yeah, okay, here's one from um. Oh, I get it. We can do this. Um or not, I got to find them. It's hard to find these things like this Um, here we go, we've got. There's no, sorry, here we go, no.

Speaker 2: 10:35

I see one.

Speaker 1: 10:36

Hold on, there we go.

Speaker 2: 10:38

Okay.

Speaker 1: 10:39

Shaka Cone, shaka Cone, I get it. Rock me, shaka Cone. Okay, if the Catholic Church then blackmailed parishioners? Shaka Cone, shaka Cone, I get it. Rock me, shaka Cone, come on, rock me, shaka Cone. Okay, if the Catholic Church then blackmailed parishioners, that would be grounds for all sorts of legal trouble. Why not COS? Is this being used in the fight to take away Scientology's tax exemption? Okay, I'm not sure if I missed something. If the Catholic Church then blackmailed parishioners, I'm not sure who's being blackmailed, so I wish I could answer the question. But yes, I'm trying to think if they're blackmailing I mean, if you don't want to talk to your family, then you don't get to talk to your family, so I don't know if that's blackmail. I don't think that's blackmail, it's just enforced. What do they call it? Shunning? They say it's like shunning Scientology, right.

Speaker 2: 11:35

Claire, yes, yeah, and I mean they tried to pull all kinds of dirty tricks on us, obviously, as you're now covering in the spy files, but ultimately, ultimately, they failed. Okay, I got that question. Where did Claire lose her accent? Okay, that's a great, great question. When I married Mark, I still had a full on British accent, but it was always my life goal to have an American accent. So I set about learning to use the pronunciation key of an American dictionary and it worked. So about 20 years ago, I lost my accent and now it's irreversible.

Speaker 1: 12:12

Pretty much. Okay, I'm going to star all these questions. Here we go. Here's one from Goldie. You can answer this one, claire. I think Goldie is a mod on Aaron's channel and I have not figured out how to make mods. I don't know why I can't do that, but Okay, do one of you have a public email to reach you directly.

Speaker 2: 12:33

I don't do Facebook or Instagram or any of that. You love you both and hope you have the merriest of Christmases ever. Thank you, Goldie. I hope you have a Merry Christmas too, and yes, you can contact us through directly through the email address that's listed on blownforgoodcom At the bottom of the page. There's an email there that comes to both Mark and I directly.

Speaker 1: 13:00

Yes, it's Mark M-A-R-C. At blownforgoodcom. Yeah, claire. At blown for good dot com.

Speaker 2: 13:04

Yeah, claire, at blown for good dot com.

Speaker 1: 13:07

Yeah, marc and CLAIRE, claire or Mark at blown for good dot com. And yeah, that's now. We're still doing a giveaway for books. So every thousand subscribers we give away a book, a signed book, a hardback or paperback. If you say in the comments you want a book and we hit a thousand the next milestone then we just look through the comments, we see who wants a book and we say you won. You just have to email us your mailing address and then we send you one and there's a ton of people have gotten them, at least 11 or 12. What are we at subscriber wise? I think we're almost. We either hit 13,000 or we're about to hit 13,000.

Speaker 2: 13:55

And we have a few people that haven't answered that.

Speaker 1: 13:59

If you, if you wrote in the comments and you said you wanted a book, we might've said you won. You got to send us your mailing address. Yeah, we just hit 13,000, so we'll give away one tonight too. Let's look at here what else we got. We got a lot of questions starting to stack up. We got almost 300 people in here right now. Okay, we did that one. What was the present? Oh, here we go Perfect.

Speaker 1: 14:34

That's appropriate the copper mustache. How does Scientology celebrate Christmas? Do they look forward to a baby Elrond coming down a manger in Clearwater, florida? No, scientologists like to get gifts. That's why they celebrate Christmas. They really do, and Scientology registrars like people to spend money on scientology yeah, hey, claire, you see how I'm up here in the picture and you're down here in the picture. If you stay up here, then there you go just picky, picky there you go, it just looks better.

Speaker 1: 15:02

I gotta do a thumbnail of this and if you're down there, that's not going to be a thumbnail. Okay, I see this one. I don't totally understand. It says can you give any details on the independence day that you celebrate with Mike?

Speaker 2: 15:18

Oh, I know what that's talking about. So there was one time, like 10 years ago, that somebody did an independent Scientology party. We never went to that because we left. Scientology and we were never part of an independent Scientology movement, so that doesn't happen anymore. But that's what that's about.

Speaker 1: 15:51

Okay. So yeah, we didn't celebrate that because we we would go. We were invited to a few parties like that. So there were people that left Scientology like they got declared or they escaped, but they still believed in L Ron Hubbard's writing, they still believed in Scientology technology and they called themselves independents. And sometimes they'd invite me to their get togethers and I would just trash Scientology on a full time basis and explain to them why it's 100% a fraud and that anything that's workable Hubbard stole from something else. So just read this something else, get it from the source. Don Hubbard stole from something else. So just read this something else, get it from the source. Don't Hubbard, not Hubbard. Hubbard made up or ripped off everything that he did, pretty much.

Speaker 2: 16:35

I think my favorite direct quote from you was when you said you know, I think you're drinking the Kool-Aid right, and not only that, but I'm peeing in that Kool-Aid.

Speaker 1: 16:46

Yes, I have said that at those parties. Okay, here we go.

Speaker 2: 16:50

Okay.

Speaker 1: 16:51

That's for you, Claire.

Speaker 2: 16:53

Happy birthday. Okay, claire from JLDSB. Claire, have you ever considered writing your own book? Yes, I have, and one of these days I will. It's just that I, with three kids and several full-time jobs, including the SP shop which is right behind my head there Uh, it's been a little challenging, but I will get there. I did.

Speaker 2: 17:19

I did do a. I did do an audition for a TED Talk to try to explain in seven minutes why it's destructive for any child to grow up in a cult and to answer the question of why I didn't leave earlier. But then COVID hit so I never got to do it. So that was sad.

Speaker 1: 17:39

There you go.

Speaker 2: 17:41

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 17:41

Okay, here we go, skadoosh. Oh, we answered that one.

Speaker 2: 17:49

We did. That was the one about the email.

Speaker 1: 17:50

Yeah, okay, here we go. Uh, skadoosh, oh, we answered that one. That was the one about the email. Perfect, okay. Um, here's another good one. Are you two being harassed by Scientology now, or have they given up? I'm a relative newbie to learning about the truth about Scientology. Um, well, we do have hate websites that are up on ourselves. I guess that's current harassment, but they don't really come around and follow us with private investigators that we've seen or that we care about. If they want to follow me, they're going to find out what kind of milk and cereal I buy at the grocery store.

Speaker 2: 18:25

That's pretty much about it.

Speaker 1: 18:28

Okay, here's another good one. You can answer this one, Claire. Actually, you never did the running program, did you?

Speaker 2: 18:35

No, but I was going to be in charge of it for a while.

Speaker 1: 18:39

Okay, I mean, you know a lot about it. You can tell them what it is.

Speaker 2: 18:44

Yeah, so I've blown for good Is cause resurgence literally just running around a pole. How did that start? Yes, it is literally running around a pole, that the best way to healthily come back to Earth and pick up a new body is to circle around a planet where you focus your attention on the center of the planet or a star or a rock, and that's the concept that running around the pole is based on. So it is literally forcing your attention to stick on a pole while you run in a circle. That's kind of how it started and that's what it is.

Speaker 1: 19:30

Yeah, so and it flag. They don't have a pole, they have just a spotlight that just shines. So when you're running around the pole it's just a beam of light. So yeah, oh, here's Steven Britain says it's not a, it's just a beam of light. So yeah, oh, here Stephen Britton says it's not a pole. It's a beam of light, yeah.

Speaker 2: 19:51

Well, yeah, that's a replica of space.

Speaker 1: 19:53

There you go, stephen.

Speaker 2: 19:54

There you go. Good job, Beam of light. Okay, Now this guy has asked this.

Speaker 1: 19:58

The reason we're saying it's a pole is because in Hemet it was a palm tree on the middle of a running track and it was a pole before it was a palm tree, it was an actual pole. Okay, now this guy has asked this question before and I've seen this and I'm going to talk about it. It says Shelley Miscavige's mother, flo, apparently committed suicide, yet she was shot three times with a rifle. It doesn't make sense. What's the story with that? As far as I know, it was actually two times and it was a rifle, so, and she was shot twice, I want to say in the chest or the head, so either one of those. It's unlikely that she would have done the second one, but that happened way before our time. And yeah, I don't, I worked with shelly's sister and in the years and years I worked with her, we never talked about that.

Speaker 2: 20:55

So and I and I worked very closely with yeah and I worked very closely with shelly for six years and never once did she ever mention her mother. So no doubt there is a story there, but it was well before our time.

Speaker 1: 21:12

Yeah, okay, um sex bad said no of any SPS who got through 80 successfully. Um, I know of at least one. Do you know?

Speaker 2: 21:29

of anybody. Yes, I know of several people that did the A to E steps and got back in good standing.

Speaker 1: 21:35

So, basically, if you the steps, I just this is the last video where we kind of lay out the steps, but it was either the, was either the, the video we just did, or the one before. Either way, I just went through it. It's part four spy, scientology, spy files. Four or five or three or four. Um, you have to pay your freeloader bill and then you also have to confess of all the bad stuff you've ever done and that you were wrong to attack and all that good stuff. And then if they determine you're not a problem or you're not going to be a problem, then they'll let you.

Speaker 2: 22:16

You missed one step, though, and that's important because it costs for money, which is you have to redo all of the training that you did. Now I have to pay for that.

Speaker 1: 22:24

Pay for it did.

Speaker 2: 22:25

No, I have to pay for it again, okay.

Speaker 1: 22:26

Yeah, we covered that in the video. Okay, cool, here's one from Catherine Merry Christmas Headlies. Hey, hey Rose, catherine, everyone to call yourself these days, um, merry Christmas. Okay, here's a good one. You can answer this one, because Claire was a technical person and she knows all about that technical stuff.

Speaker 2: 22:50

Can you explain what auditing exactly does to the victim? Where is the manipulation here? Merry Christmas from Austria. Merry Christmas Austria, yes, yes. So Scientology, auditing or counseling, is all about making you think that anything bad that happens is caused by yourself or your own lack of progress in Scientology. And the manipulation is more kind of. It becomes smoke and mirrors of any critical thought you have is because you've done something wrong. There's never anything wrong with Scientology and any problem you're having is because you you've again you've done something wrong. So it just becomes there can never be anything wrong with Scientology. It can only ever be something to do with what you've caused and what you've done. And if Scientology is not working, that's because of you.

Speaker 1: 23:50

There you go. That's a good answer. Okay, now Catherine says so. Catherine, if people don't know, um on Aaron Smith Levin's channel, growing up in Scientology. He did an interview with Catherine, but she is somebody that the Aftermath Foundation recently helped and when she contacted us she was in the C organization. We're talking like less than a year ago, right? Is it less than a year ago?

Speaker 2: 24:20

It was June last year, so it's almost a year and a half now.

Speaker 1: 24:24

Okay, a year and a half now, okay, year and a half, she says. I definitely know of people who got through their A&E, but not Mamie. There were also people who have been declared more than once. Yes, I've heard of that. I've heard of people getting undeclared. Then they come back and they do their thing and they do something else. They get declared again. Then they come back and they do their thing and they do something else. They get it cleared again.

Speaker 2: 24:46

The worst to me is the people who have had to do the rehabilitation project force multiple times over.

Speaker 1: 24:52

Yes, somebody was assigned to do the rehabilitation project force five times.

Speaker 2: 24:56

So basically you had to do manual labor and intensive interrogation and not talk to any anyone outside of that program. And if you have to do it five times that could be easily 20 years.

Speaker 1: 25:10

It's a lot Okay, here's a good one.

Speaker 2: 25:12

Okay.

Speaker 1: 25:13

You can read that one.

Speaker 2: 25:15

Okay, question for both of you how easy or hard is it to fool a suck check? Yeah, so it's it's easy. Yeah, so it's easy. Mark always says that he just only ever would think of his favorite moment at a Depeche Mode concert to make his needle float, which the needle on the e-meter is, the smooth back and forth floating back and forth, back and forth, which signifies that you're good to go. And yeah, I would say the same. I mean, the thing is, is that to me, the power of the e-meter is really tied in very closely with how much do you believe it can tell you, or how do you believe it can really uncover the truth or not? Because there's no, there's no scientific proof that it actually works.

Speaker 1: 26:07

Yeah, I just think happy thoughts. That works for me. Um, people might be confused how to enter the contest. The I want the book comment needs to be made in the comment section after the video posts. No, here's the thing. It's almost impossible for us to determine who subscribed right when we hit a milestone. So we're easy Around that time. We just pick randomly somebody and if they're a subscriber and they commented, then they get a book. We just say you won, email us. And so far we've given out like 10 or 11 books For every 1,000 we've hit.

Speaker 1: 26:51

So far we've either given the person a book we said you won, they email us, and then we say send us your mailing address. They send us the mailing address, we send them a book. We've done it over and over again. It's worked perfectly fine. So if you don't win, just keep saying in the comments I want a book, and the comments from all the videos propagate to one place in YouTube that we can look at. So if you do it on multiple videos, we're gonna see it, it's gonna show up anyway. And so, yeah, just do it like that. We we're gonna do it up to a hundred thousand. So right now we're at thirteen thousand. So if my colt math is worry is right, that's 87 more books we're going to give out, is that right?

Speaker 2: 27:46

That's right.

Speaker 1: 27:46

There's a bookkeeper, so she knows math pretty good 87. We're going to give out 87 more books and yeah, okay, let's see, let's keep going with some questions here. Okay, here we go. Okay, so we did the question. Here's a good one. I'm going to let you read that, claire, while I keep going.

Speaker 2: 28:09

Christian Stover with different leadership. Could Scientology ever redeem itself in a perfect world? Are the core values strong enough to ever consider returning? So my answer to that is no. Scientology is incapable of redeeming itself and the reason for that is because they very rigidly and only follow Hubbard policy. Hubbard died in 1986. So there's no possible policy revision options available. And they were already knee deep in lies even at that point that he passed. Like they do for a game, they don't do for a game, they do disconnection. They don't disconnection, they destroy families. They try to say they don't destroy families. So, um, walking that back is impossible. And the bottom line is in terms of core values, core values in Scientology are plagiarized from other sources. Number one, number two you have to weigh the destructiveness versus any possible positivity. So no, there's no option of returning. That's my answer.

Speaker 1: 29:24

There you go. Okay, so here's a good one. Um, I don't think I ever met Nancy Cartwright. I'm S. I'm assuming that's what he means Cause there's an N missing, but I can figure that out. Um, have either of you met Nancy Cartwright? I have not, personally. I might have been an event that she was at, but I didn't go up to her and say, hi, I'm Mark, hi Nancy. I'm trying to think At the base.

Speaker 2: 29:56

I didn't even really know what the Simpsons was, so I don't think she was on a cartoon, it was kind of like yeah some.

Speaker 1: 30:03

this brought on some kind kind of cartoon. Okay, whoop-dee-doo.

Speaker 2: 30:11

Like it wasn't a I didn't care to meet her. So yeah, I never met Nancy Cartwright. I knew I knew of her but she was always. She was never a big deal from celebrity center or anything like that that I ever heard about celebrity center or anything like that that I ever heard about.

Speaker 1: 30:26

Yeah, okay, here's one question. Has an ex-scientologist fair-gamed a celebrity scientologist or higher-ups and then put on social media how they condone abuse? You can't, really, I don't think you could fair game. Fair game is like they're sending people to your, your business, they're following you with private investigators, they're harassing you, they're putting flyers all over your neighborhood. So I don't know why an ex-scientologist would do that, unless they're just crazy. So I don't think, um, I think all the fair gaming is being done by Scientology. I don't think X's are fair gaming, anybody, um, you could put on. So I, I mean, I put all kinds of stuff on social media, but, like Kirstie and these guys, they get given a list. Or their people, their social media people, get given a list. So, like when I got on twitter, I was like, oh, I'll go look at kirsty's account, and then I was already blocked. I didn't even said anything, I was already blocked. I was like, oh well, I guess that's the end of that. So, yeah, I don't think the fair gaming is happening from scientology's end. Not the other way. Then, not the other way. Okay, here's a good one. Um, there you go.

Speaker 1: 31:51

When lrh passed, how did the majority not know that ann and pat broker were to take over? Did anyone even know who dm was? Uh, no, not a lot of people knew who dm were, unless you were at the very top of scientology. And um, um, l Ron Hubbard was in, uh, isolation and hiding for like the last decade of his life, so nobody knew who he was with, where he was, anything, and he had very long hair and he was giant. And, um, there was a guy that it was at the base who was with him and it said one time they were walking down the beach and somebody thought that he was Colonel Sanders. They thought L Ron Hubbard was Colonel Sanders. He was wearing like a bolo tie and white suit, walking on the same long hair. He looked like Colonelers, looked like a fat colonel sanders. Um, oh, here we go. Here's some love for putting up my non-super chats up. I answer all questions. Here's a goldie. People might be confused on how.

Speaker 2: 32:58

Oh, we already covered that.

Speaker 1: 32:59

We covered that I thought she said it because here's a good one. I I bought the book several years ago on Audible. Can I get a bobblehead? Yeah, instead of saying I want a book, say I want a bobblehead.

Speaker 2: 33:10

It works the same way hey, mark Jackson asked us to cover the backstory of the bobblehead.

Speaker 1: 33:17

Okay, I want a book and I've subscribed on all three of my YouTube accounts Kat and Maggie here. Make a note of that, kat. All three of my youtube accounts got cat and maggie here. Make a note of that. I made cat and maggie send us an email.

Speaker 2: 33:38

You win you're the 13k winner there you go.

Speaker 1: 33:46

Okay, um, scientology made a mike render bobblehead. It didn't look like mike. It didn't look like it had clothes that mike had never worn. It was basically a crappy bobblehead of mike, and the reason they did it is because they were trying to show that Mike, whenever Leah talks, mike just is this is what Mike's doing. He's just like yes, yes. So it's basically a dig on Mike and his second. I saw that bobblehead. I was like we could make one of those and it would be way better and it would be amazing and we could sell it and we could raise funds for the aftermath foundation to help seer members escape. And I thought, because it was their idea and it ended up making tons of money for to help the aftermath, I thought there's no better thing to have. So that that's why we have it. And, um, scientology, I only think they made the one that they used in their video. So, and I don't, I haven't seen that thing in years and years, so yeah, it was wearing a woolen sweater when Mike's in Florida, which was the other part.

Speaker 2: 35:04

That was just ridiculous.

Speaker 1: 35:07

It was wearing a sweater. That's right, I totally forgot about that. I'm just trying to see if there's any more questions. I thought Goldie had said something else.

Speaker 2: 35:21

Somebody was commenting on the spy in my office. It's actually our kitty cat trying to get out.

Speaker 1: 35:29

Oh, there you go. Well, don't worry about it, that spy's not going anywhere. Okay, here we go. Here's a good one.

Speaker 2: 35:37

Why didn't LRH flee to a country that doesn't send him back to the US? Why didn't LRH flee to a country that didn't send him back to the US? Why didn't Elridge fled to a country that didn't send him back to the US?

Speaker 1: 35:48

I'm pretty sure he did. When he first was being hunted down in England they went to international waters so that they couldn't get him. That's another thing that not a lot of people know. You learn about that in the sea org, is they? Bait? Hubbard basically got chased out of every single place that he went. There's a gal, uh, janice grady. She has a book called commodore's messenger, and then there's a book one and there's a book two and it talks about all the crazy that they were. Basically that they had to deal with when they were on the Apollo and the Sea Organization in the early days in the 60s and 70s and they literally got chased out of it. There was one place where they were on the beach. They had gotten in their rowboats or dinghies or what do they call it. When we go on the cruise they call the little boats when you transfer.

Speaker 2: 36:51

The tenders.

Speaker 1: 36:52

Tenders, yeah. So they went to these tenders, they took these tenders to the island and when they got out they got arrested. Like on the beach they got arrested. There was like police with guns and Janice was saying they were playing leapfrog. They were basically under arrest, but they were young and they were playing leapfrog and running around the beach and the police were just watching. Pretty crazy. Okay, let's see what we got here. Here we go From Goldie Gold. She's got a lot of questions. Claire, be honest, is there some scientology secret? The reason you look like you're 25? Spill the tea. She is 25. Don't tell me.

Speaker 1: 37:36

For 30 years, um, no steve britain says, if it wasn't not the secret if it wasn't for the exorbitant cost. I do the cause or search as a media, a meditation, due to its repetitive name. But yeah, but you can just run around your neighborhood, you don't have to pay whatever. It is ten thousand dollars to run around a pole, the scientology place. Okay, let's see we got. We have a lot of questions.

Speaker 2: 38:04

By the way, let me just add to Goldie's comment real quick. The secret was I left. I got the heck out of Scientology and started sleeping again. That made me. When I left, I looked at least 30 years older than.

Speaker 1: 38:17

I do now Sleeping. Sleeping does help, Sleeping does.

Speaker 2: 38:20

It's tremendous, it's a beautiful thing.

Speaker 1: 38:23

Okay, we got another one here. Oh, it's deviant, deviant outcast. He, uh, he's going to take a bobblehead to one of the orgs in Sweden. Have Mike Rinder been to any of the orgs in Sweden? If so, which one?

Speaker 2: 38:42

Yeah, I'm planning for my promise bobblehead coup Nice?

Speaker 1: 38:45

I don't know, we can send you some aftermath cards too.

Speaker 1: 38:48

We'll have to ask Mike. I don't know what orgs he's been to. I've personally, I spent several months in Copenhagen at their main upper level, building on Janabé I don't remember how to say the name of the street like upper level, building in on John young John obey I don't remember how to say the name of the street that they're on John, john, john obey, something like that. It's in Copenhagen, in Denmark, and I had to take the flying boat Over to Malmo to get some speakers or something that I was. I needed over there, but I haven't been to. I think Gottberg is where deviant is near. I can't remember what org is near, but uh yeah, deviant, we're waiting for you. Come on, get us some pictures, get on it.

Speaker 2: 39:34

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 39:36

Um, okay, this is a good one. I love battlefield or stuff. When battlefield earth came out, what did you guys think of it at the time? We're Scientologists supposed to pretend it was good. It was so bad. So sorry, just real quick, deviant, email MARC At blownforgoodcom and we'll send you the. We'll send you the bobblehead. Are we sending you a book or a bobblehead? I can't remember. Just email us, we'll figure it out. Okay, where was the question? Okay, were you Battlefield Earth? Yeah, so when we did Battlefield Earth first of all for people who don't know David Miscavige micromanaged every single part of that movie, from pre-production all the way through shoot, production, post-production, marketing, everything. He was involved in every single part of it, the whole way, more than John Travolta. He would tell John Travolta's people you need to do this, you need to do, you need to do this, you need to do that, you need to do this. And then they would go to the producers and so they thought John was saying it was coming from Dave.

Speaker 2: 40:47

And the footage was getting reviewed at the base too.

Speaker 1: 40:51

Yeah, dave Miscavige was seeing the dailies. So they would shoot for the day and that footage would come and then they would watch it in what's called the Rush's Theater. And that footage would come and then they would watch it in what's called the Rush's Theater. Dailies, or Rush's, are the film that's shot that day. It's developed. They watch it, pick the best take and then they use that in the edit or they plan to use that in the edit. When the movie came out, david Miscavige this is not a lie he said it was the best movie that had ever been made. When it came out, dave Miscavige this is not a lie he said it was the best movie that had ever been made. When it came out and he was so excited that it was like this is the best.

Speaker 1: 41:29

And at the base we were sent into the nearby town and we had to buy three tickets. So we had to buy a ticket. Go and see the movie come out, buy a ticket, go and see the movie come out, buy a ticket. Go and see the movie come out. Buy a ticket, go and see the movie. Now, I'm not going to speak for everybody. I watched the first one and fell asleep in the movie because, also, we don't sleep a lot. But, um, I fell asleep and then, when I got up to go out and buy the next ticket, I got the ticket for Battlefield Earth. I went and saw Gladiator Gladiator, to this day, one of my favorite movies and so I watched Gladiator and then, at the end of Gladiator, I snuck back into Battlefield Earth and then I think I watched Gladiator again. I can't remember, but I've only seen, I only saw it the once.

Speaker 1: 42:23

And, yes, everybody was supposed to say it was awesome and, yes, we loved it. And the best story is that Kyla, the best is that after it came out and Tom Cruise saw it, he was pissed and he said Dave, what the hell? And Dave said yeah, I know, jt, that I'm going to say that sea sucker, that's what he said. He said, yeah, jt, that sea sucker. And he blamed it on JT. Dave blamed it on JT, even though JT had less to do with that movie. Then Dave did okay yes here's a.

Speaker 1: 43:12

Here's one from Kyla. Question someone I know this. Sorry, this is from grandma sunshine dragon. Someone asked what do girls, women in the Sea Org do with their personal? Oh, do with their personal.

Speaker 2: 43:26

I think she means to buy their personal hygiene items. You have to buy it with your 40 bucks a week. Good luck.

Speaker 1: 43:35

Yes, everything. So food and your room is covered by the c-org. Pretty much everything else well, okay but even that you could have. You could have holes in your elbows for a year before you get another shirt.

Speaker 1: 43:55

So and let's not forget, when people escape and get out of there, their uniform is promptly recycled to other oh yeah, if you escape, if you escape and you leave your uniform behind, there's like 10 people like hey, uh did, uh did, mark, leave any pants behind, because they need pants. Yes, that is 100% true. Okay, let's see. Okay, I starred a bunch. Here we go. Oh, we got to get rid of these old ones.

Speaker 2: 44:33

Somebody asked about my kitty. While you look for a question, that's our one kitty. His name is Oreo the black and white kitty.

Speaker 1: 44:45

Yes, we do have a kitty. Oh, here we go. Hey, kyla, I ordered your book from you yesterday. If it is appropriate, I'd like to have a bobblehead. We gave away the 13K one, 14, 15, all the way up to 100. Ask as much as you want. Okay, good, let's go back in. And yes, I shipped your book Kyla.

Speaker 2: 45:08

It's on its way to you.

Speaker 1: 45:09

Wow, there you go. That's fast action there, okay, so I'm just going through and seeing Okay, here we go, let's see what time it is here. It's 647. I'd say we go a little bit longer here. I'm just going through and making sure I didn't miss any super chats. We've got a few super chats in here that I have questions. Thanks guys. Five million I don't know who this is. I'm trying to. Oh, it's Kelly they're talking about. I think they're talking About Kirstie.

Speaker 2: 45:53

Okay.

Speaker 1: 45:56

Yeah, I'm not seeing A lot of questions. Oh yeah, here's a good one. So is Battlefield supposed to be a primer on Xenu? Yes, so basically in the movie the bad guys are called Cyclos, that's psychiatrists. The bad guys are called cyclos, that's psychiatrists. So Scientologists believe. And this is in OT3. Claire can correct me if I'm off very far, but Xenu used psychiatrists to do his bidding and the tax people, and so that's how he enslaved the population was through mind control and taxes, and so the story of Battlefield Earth is a way for the Scientology origin story to get into mainstream populations so that they know that that's what happened. That's 100%. What was intended for Battlefield Earth is for them to see like, oh, this is us, we're the humans in Battlefield Earth, and the aliens are the psychiatrists. Am I wrong?

Speaker 2: 47:15

Nope.

Speaker 1: 47:16

There you go. So yes, battlefield Earth is a true thing and yes, this is a great one. Have you ever seen the Riff Trax version of Battlefield Earth? So good, there's so many parodies and re-edits Very funny. I should link to that. The Riff Trax version of Battlefield Earth that's still up. I haven't seen that. Yes, it's very funny. I should link to that. The Riff Trax version of Battlefield Earth that's still up.

Speaker 2: 47:40

I haven't seen that.

Speaker 1: 47:45

Yes, it's very funny. Okay, here's a good one. What's going to happen with the multi-million drug rehabilitation center they have already built, ready to go in Navon in Ireland? Apparently they need no governance, I don't know. Then they'll probably just open it up. But anytime they open up a Narconon now, they pretty much can't get people to it because people die doing the Narconon program. The Narconon program is basically in Scientology. The very first thing you're supposed to do is called the purification rundown, where you sweat out all these drugs in the sauna and you take lots of vitamins and all that. And if you're a drug addict, that's not the proper way to get off drugs. So they've had several deaths at Narconons because they're they people smuggle drugs into these people, they're doing all this other stuff with their bodies and then they do the drugs and then they overdose and they die. Well, yeah, here's a good one. You can answer that, claire.

Speaker 2: 48:51

Claire from Crystal Sue Brousseau, how did you hear about Mark blowing? Were you still in the Sea Org? Yes, I was still in the Sea Org. So it was January 4th, right honey, Not 5th January 4th Yep, January 4th. Which, for the record, was a couple of days after my birthday. So happy birthday to me, your husband has flown.

Speaker 1: 49:12

Happy birthday to you.

Speaker 2: 49:12

So what happened, though, is that the night before Mark had messaged me, we had Nextel radios, and he messaged me and said are you going to come home? And I said, well, I'm going to try, but I don't think I'm going to be able to. Um this. This was like three 30 in the morning that we had this conversation. I never made it home, um, and I was sitting at my desk with my head on the desk just catching a few minutes of sleep, and this six foot ethics officer comes in and said to my office and says you need to come see Jenny Linson Devocht right now.

Speaker 2: 49:50

She was my boss, and so I go to see her, and they tell me oh, mark is escaping. And I was like what? And I was like well, let me go talk to him, I'll go after him. And they were going to let me do that, but then that was shut down, because, always, when they would let a spouse go after the other spouse, nine times out of ten, they both escape. So that was shut down, and the rest is covered in Mark's book in great detail.

Speaker 1: 50:20

Yep, and then I got her out two weeks later, so that was shut down and the rest is covered in Mark's book In great detail, yep. And then I got her out two weeks later, so it's all good 20 days to the day.

Speaker 2: 50:27

Yep.

Speaker 1: 50:28

Okay, merry Christmas to all from Scarborough, scarborough, england. Much love to you and yours, mark and Claire. I was born in Manchester.

Speaker 2: 50:35

Hey, thanks Pam.

Speaker 1: 50:38

Okay, here's a good one. What was Dave and Shelly's love life like? Well, I wasn't there in the bedroom, but everything I saw was non-existent. I don't even think I was. I think I answered this on another video, or somebody asked me I don't ever remember them holding hands or kissing or any kind of affection. In 15 years I never saw that once, and I was in a lot of meetings with David Miscavige and Shelly Miscavige and I was, I would say, hundreds, if not thousands, of hours that I was in the same room or place or area with them. Never, ever once, saw any affection between them in 15 years.

Speaker 2: 51:22

My answer would be the same. I never saw any personal contact, no terms of endearment, never even any indication that they actually even liked each other. And, to the contrary, I had to interrogate at least four people who Shelly thought were trying to flirt and get in bed with Dave. So that was my answer to that question.

Speaker 1: 51:47

There you go. Here's one. My grandfather was a psychologist. If I walked into a Scientology building and for some reason mentioned that, would I be removed from the building? No, your grandfather would be. They don't care if your relatives are, as long as you're not in contact with them.

Speaker 2: 52:09

And as long as you disclose that you are connected to someone who's a psychologist and you cut off that connection.

Speaker 1: 52:17

Yeah, you can't. Kind of well, it depends on, like, if they're retired or if they're actively. They're not in, um, they're not in favor of anyone being connected to a psychologist or a psychologist or a psychiatrist. Okay, let's see what else we got here. We're almost done here, guys. It's uh, we got about. We're almost done here, guys. It's a. We got about six minutes left to do an hour. We might go a little over, but I'm trying to answer as many questions as possible. We got about 500 people in here right now. So, um, here I'll let you answer this one. This is about Jenny Linson. You have a lot more contact with her.

Speaker 2: 52:58

Yep, does Jenny Linson hit people? Yes, jenny Linson hits people. Jenny is pretty much the mini-me of David Miscavige and she's just become more and more of his mini-me. And David Miscavige would always be very specific about his instructions to as to what he would want done. So, for example, one time this is not Jenny, but I was told to throw a guy up against a wall, which I had trouble doing, but I attempted it and I was, you know, regret doing that. But another time he made me go into it management and tell them all that they could suck my C O C. Anyway, we'll keep it bleeped, but yeah, so that's really weird. Yes, he had a very big potty mouth and very destructive tendencies.

Speaker 1: 53:58

Here's a good one. South Park episode Please tell me you've seen it. Yes, not only did I see it, but it might have been a major contributing factor for me getting kind of unbrainwashed in an insane amount of time, like very quickly. I think we left in January. I want to say I saw it in like March or April.

Speaker 1: 54:23

Whenever it came out, I watched it and when they started talking about the body, thetans and Xenu, I looked over at Claire and I was like are you kidding me? Is this for real? And she was like, basically, and I was just like what, I couldn't believe it. And so that night I kind of laid in bed Because they tell you in Scientology that if you find out about OT3, which is Xenu and the body things and all that stuff in South Park which is 100% accurate, they tell you you're going to get pneumonia and you're going to die. And when I woke up in the morning I was like not even a sniffle. I was like it's all bull, I knew it Unbelievable. And that was it. I was done From that point. They were like, oh, you're going to do your freeloader bill. I was like, nope, you guys, this is all a bunch of nonsense. Okay, here's a good one. Just order my book. Can't wait. Awesome, jim, you're going to get it. We're going to send it to you.

Speaker 2: 55:27

By we he means me, of course.

Speaker 1: 55:29

Yeah, we're me, I drive to the post office with him. Would you consider a panel Q&A with proceeds from the benefit to the aftermath? Maybe you guys, mike and Aaron, we do it all the time, but you can just donate to the aftermath, we don't have to go. If you donate to us, then we have to. It's just more work for everybody. Just donate to the aftermath. That's the straight shot. Direct All the proceeds from this SP shop or anything that goes to the Aftermath Foundation. Everything goes to helping people. We don't take a salary, we don't get paid. It all goes to helping people. All the proceeds go to helping people. Okay, I'm going to find one and while I give you one, then you can answer that while I get some more. Oh, that's not nice. That's an Aaron thing. Aaron's really got people wound up over how short Dave is. Okay, here we go. Let me see if we can.

Speaker 2: 56:33

She was a little bit taller than him, but not a step ladder, that's true. Yeah, she never wore heels.

Speaker 1: 56:39

Oh, this is awesome. I I'm gonna put this on here just because it's funny.

Speaker 2: 56:43

Um, you can read that oh, a question I've always had you deny the xeno story because you're programmed to think it'll cause pneumonia cancer. What's the thinking behind people who ask you about it and haven't died? Yeah?

Speaker 1: 56:59

we answered that on. We answered that on the last um chat with aaron and mike, I'm pretty sure, because they say well, you didn't find out about the, the technology that you use to get rid of the body thetans, like you. They don't show that in the south park episode. They just tell you that you have the body thetans and they came from Xenu, but then you don't actually do the Scientology processes to remove the body thetans. That's kind of, I think, the way they say oh, this is a good one. This is the one I meant to put up before Stephen Willis.

Speaker 1: 57:36

Chris Shelton caught a cold the next day after reading OT3 online. It was freaking out a little bit. Apparently, that's really funny. I'll have to ask chris about that. That's so funny, okay, um, I told my then 11 year old daughter the zinu story and she laughed her head off. Also, you have to see the boston legal episode. Yes, with james spader. Yeah, seen it. Good, another good one. There's a lot of good shows that have done stuff. Oh, look at, this is so good here. You're gonna see this one, come on oh so get this recorded.

Speaker 2: 58:14

L ron hubbard, is that what you meant to put up? Yes, recorded. Oh so get this recorded.

Speaker 1: 58:20

Osa, get this recorded. That's so good. I love how they have this profile and everything. That is pretty off point. Okay, I get this question all the time and I'm going to answer it. This is going to be the last one and I think we're going to sign off. Hopefully we got everybody's questions. We'll see Blown for good.

Speaker 1: 58:41

We ever come up with a clothing line like, don't be culty, how about free to be SP? Okay, here's the answer. When you do clothes, you have to have men's, females and a gazillion sizes and it takes up a lot of space and I don't have just a warehouse of space that I can just line up racks of clothes and then I don't have people that I can hire to be pulling things off For the SP bracelets. We have a ton of little files that have the bags of sizes and so we can pull your size out, put an envelope and it goes. Same thing with the books, same thing with the bobble heads. If to do clothes and also the clothes don't it's, we have to pay somebody to make the clothes and we have to pay for the clothes and it's just it's for a little teeny mitt. So, anyway, we're not going to do it. I.

Speaker 2: 59:37

I'm not going to do it, so the answer is not a good start If somebody else wants to do it, then fine, okay, here's another one.

Speaker 1: 59:43

Now people are starting to get a bunch of questions in here. So I'm like, okay, if the South Park episode was 100% accurate, how did it get to be that accurate? Who helped them? The OT3 materials are on the internet. It's not like you can't get them. And then there's a lot of ex Scientologists that put them on the internet, or so, yeah, and there was a journalist named Mark Ebner who was kind of I think he was a consultant and he kind of like guided him in the right direction on some of these things like, oh, is this true or is that not true? Um, so yeah, that's who helped them.

Speaker 1: 1:00:20

Here's another good one how did you get the spy files? Somebody who escaped, who had access to those files, gave me the files and I'm pretty sure it was Marty. So yeah, that's how I got the spy files. Ironically, marty is not on the same side anymore, or he's on his own side, or whatever. Sorry, still catching up on your vids? Okay, follow up. If that's the thinking, why can't OT3 tell you BTs exist without sharing the technology? Why can't an OT3? Oh, in Scientology you're not allowed to talk about your counseling with anyone, period. It doesn't matter what your counseling is. You're not allowed to discuss it with people like the specifics of what you went over Any counseling. You can say the counseling was great and I loved it, but you can't really talk about anything you did or how fast you did it. Is that accurate, claire?

Speaker 2: 1:01:19

Yep, or how fast you did it. Is that accurate, claire? Yep, it's a crime actually to talk about any specifics as to what you addressed in any counseling session. And the reason they don't tell you that BTs exist is that basically they're saying it's going to be over your head and you'll get sick. And if you don't get sick it's only because you're not ready for it yet. So when you're ready for it, then I guess you'll get sick latently. I don't really know. Logistically that seems impossible, but yeah, that's the answer.

Speaker 1: 1:01:47

Yeah, I'd say that I mean. Yeah, they don't want people talking about it, because if you start comparing notes you're going to be like peace out, we're out of here, here's a good one. Wouldn't that imply that DM was ever on the nice list? Oh, I missed it.

Speaker 2: 1:02:09

Oh, yeah, oh here.

Speaker 1: 1:02:12

These comments go by so fast. If I don't get it right off it, I click on the wrong one. How tall is DM? He's 4'13". That's how tall he is, and Mr Cruz, I think, is 5'5". He's taller than Dave. He makes Dave look short and Tom is short. Are Scientologists allowed to serve in the military? Are they conscious objectors? They can serve in the military. It's just not that popular. There's a lot of people that have served in the military that sometimes get involved, but I don't think.

Speaker 2: 1:02:46

I don't know of anybody, yeah, but definitely not Sea Org members, because when they're made to do the minister course so that they're not allowed to leave, that's right, they couldn't be drafted.

Speaker 1: 1:03:01

When 9-11 happened, everyone on the headquarters had to do the minister course.

Speaker 2: 1:03:07

No, not 9-11. It was for the Iraq war. Okay.

Speaker 1: 1:03:14

At some time there was a. Well, it happened after 9-11 as well. Whenever there's a threat that there might be a draft, anybody who hasn't done the menace course was supposed to do it. I started it but I never finished it, because if you're a minister, there's a minister exception to not get in the draft.

Speaker 2: 1:03:35

That's right.

Speaker 1: 1:03:36

Yes, prince was taller than Dave. I think Dave and Tom, I can't remember, but I know Prince was taller than Dave. I think Dave and Tom, I can't remember, but I know he was taller than Dave. For sure, dave is tiny. Okay, let's see, we'll do a few more and then we'll get out of here because it's Christmas Eve, we've got work to do. We've got Santa to do.

Speaker 2: 1:03:55

Yeah, santa's coming, santa's coming. We've got to get those cookies ready.

Speaker 1: 1:03:59

Yes, ebner was the advisor. It's his fault. They say thetans or your thetan levels, and I don't know that that was a mistake. I think thetan sounds funnier than thetan, so I think that might have been like a comedic license to say Theaton.

Speaker 2: 1:04:24

Yeah, and he may not have even directed it to be said that way. Like in my deposition, the RTC lawyer did the same thing. He said operating Theaton. And I literally had to choke back laughing.

Speaker 1: 1:04:36

But that wasn't that. Mark Marmoreau, yes, choke back laughing.

Speaker 2: 1:04:38

But that wasn't that, mark Marmoreau.

Speaker 1: 1:04:39

Yes, yes, so Mark Marmoreau was the RTC lawyer and he pronounced it Thetan and Miscavige, he would say Miscavige. If we talked about Dave Miscavige, he would say Miscavige, and he was the RTC lawyer, the Religious Technology Center lawyer, and he didn't even know how to say it. So I don't think you can blame it on Ebner. Let's see, we've got a few more. Chris Shelton had the sniffles. How tall is DM? Oh, here's a good one. This is nice. Also wanted to say thank you for everything the two of you are doing, along with Aaron and Chris. It's been a massive help in my recovery. Well, thank you.

Speaker 2: 1:05:18

Awesome doing along with aaron and chris. It's been a massive help in my recovery. Well, thank you awesome for the feedback. Good job we like. Glad you're recovering.

Speaker 1: 1:05:22

People say we helped them in some way.

Speaker 2: 1:05:25

Yeah, um that's the only reason we do this list.

Speaker 1: 1:05:29

Merry christmas watching while people are watching, while they're making cookies um, oh yeah, here's a good one. I definitely have this on my list.

Speaker 2: 1:05:43

Yes, it would be really cool of you to react to the in-base drone footage.

Speaker 1: 1:05:47

Yeah, I would want to do that. Okay, now Hubbard has a question. Mark question Would DM have gone to his father's funeral? Ron, I don't think he did right. He didn't.

Speaker 2: 1:05:59

Oh, no, he wouldn't have gone, we would have. No, he didn't go.

Speaker 1: 1:06:02

No, he didn't go.

Speaker 2: 1:06:02

No.

Speaker 1: 1:06:06

Yeah, he's a. Yeah, I'm just going to say it's. Oh, yeah, see Somebody from one of the orgs. It was 9-11 in Class 5 orgs. So yeah, okay, 9-11 and. Class 5 orgs so yeah, I think they did it at both times. Yeah, yeah, oh, look at this, there's Jackson Gary Moorhead. I did the minister's course when I was 13 to avoid the draft in the early 80s. Yeah, it was a common thing for them to do this.

Speaker 2: 1:06:38

Whenever there was like a hint that they might come a-calling poof.

Speaker 1: 1:06:43

I wonder how it works in countries. Same for jury duty, right, honey, yeah, jury, well, jury duty. I think we said it would cause hardship because we didn't have transport. So we'd say my, my employer doesn't pay me to do jury duty, or, and I have no transport. And so then you sometimes I don't even think I ever got the jury duty notices, the, the legal department would get it and they would fill it out for you and send it in, and I just never did jury duty.

Speaker 2: 1:07:07

So my excuse was always I was a still a resident alien then.

Speaker 1: 1:07:12

Yeah, I wonder how it works in countries where military service is legally required. Yeah, you leave the country, you go somewhere else. That's how they have figured out ways to kind of get around all the different countries that have rules that don't line up with their thing. I think we're good. Thanks for watching. If you'd like to help support the channel, feel free to check out the merch store link in the description. We have Hail Xenu Xenu is my homeboy and BFG branded mouse pads, shirts, mugs, all sorts of other stuff in there that helps us to bring you new content on a regular basis. You can also pick up a copy of my book Blown for Good Behind the Iron Curtain of Scientology in hardback, kindle and audible versions as well. There's also a link to our podcast and you can get that on Apple, spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts. Thanks a lot, until next time.