Exposing Scientology's Escape Routes: KR Nightmares, Legal Loopholes, and the Sea Org's Hidden Struggles - Scientology Q&A #3 w/ Claire & Marc Headley

What if leaving a religious organization meant turning your entire world upside down? In our latest episode, we kick off our Q&A series on Scientology by unraveling the concept of Knowledge Reports (KRs) and the dire consequences for failing to write one. I share a poignant story about my wife, Claire, and her personal experience with KRs, shedding light on the intricate dynamics within the Church. Don’t miss our nostalgic trip down memory lane as we talk about the fascinating layout of the international base and a memorable Christmas gift for David Miscavige.

Have you ever wondered how people manage to escape the tight grip of Scientology? We dive deep into the harrowing escape stories of former members, exploring how the organization turns these departures into stories of betrayal and fabrications. We provide practical insights on obtaining police records through the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) and break down the A to J check questions you might face during interviews. The episode also uncovers the shockingly low wages of Sea Org members and why it’s crucial for former members to scrutinize their Social Security earnings for gaps and inaccuracies.

From motorcycle restoration projects to legal battles against a powerful organization, we cover an array of riveting topics in this episode. Hear the intricate details of "blow drills" and the dramatic escape of Jorge to Mexico, and learn why Scientology has largely escaped legal repercussions despite numerous controversial practices. We also discuss the complex relationship between David Miscavige and physical design elements within Scientology, providing a comprehensive view of the organization’s operations. Tune in for an episode packed with personal anecdotes, listener questions, and our ongoing efforts to expose the troubling truths about Scientology.

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:13

Welcome to the Blown for Good podcast. My name is Mark Headley and we have gotten a lot of requests from listeners to do a Q&A series on Scientology for the podcast, so that's exactly what we've done. We've done a lot of Q&As over the past year or two and we've assembled these Q&As into podcasts and that's what you're going to hear now. So thank you very much for listening, and here is Scientology Q&A. Hey guys, welcome to the live stream, welcome to the channel. If this is your first time here, we've been out for the holidays, so we're just getting back, and I figured I'd do a live here, since there's been lots of stuff going on. We did a lot of videos. We released a lot of videos while we were on vacation. Let's see what we got here. We'll do the same thing I normally do Once I get about 100 people in here, then we'll start firing up the questions. That's not a question. Here's a question. Did you regularly write KR's on one another? Um, made me laugh, sorry. Um. Well, that's a good question in the beginning when you say each other or on one another, um, if you mean other Scientologists, yeah, scientologists write KRs, and a KR is in Scientology. A knowledge report, is called a KR and a knowledge report. It's basically like when you rat somebody out, you write a report on that person saying exactly what they did and then you send it into the organization. So it's basically if you write a knowledge report, someone's going to get in trouble, most likely. Excuse me, wow, I got a little frog in my throat there. So, yeah, you normally. Well, in Scientology there's a policy, an L Ron Hubbard policy letter, that's called knowledge reports. And if you know about a Scientology crime or something that somebody did and you don't write a knowledge report on it and then it comes out later that you did know about it, then you face the same penalties as the person who actually did the crime. So, not writing KR when you know something is up, then you can get in trouble. Now, goldie, I see Goldie said no, she meant you and Claire. As far as I know, I've never written a knowledge report on Claire. Now, claire cannot say the same thing about me, so I would never rat her out. But she did rat me out a few times and that's in my book when she did with the times, a few of the times when she ratted me out.

Speaker 1: 3:26

Ok, let me start up a few more questions here. Um, got all kinds of good stuff here. Um, oh, wow, yeah, we got. We got a lot of people. We got a lot of people showed up here. Um, perfect, awesome, this is great. Okay, let me go back to the ones I've started up here. Okay, Can you go and install spy cameras so we can all see the chaos Aaron is causing? It would be amazing content. So, yeah, no, but yes, aaron Smith-Levin on the Growing Up in Scientology channel is, I can only imagine, causing pretty much nonstop chaos over at Scientology Land.

Speaker 1: 4:20

One of the things that's kind of really gone crazy in the last year or two is that there are a lot of Scientologists that are watching these Scientology channels that are telling people stuff that Scientology would never tell them it's happening, but Scientology is not going to tell them that these things are happening. But Scientology is not going to tell them that these things are happening, and so there's basically kind of like this in Scientology they call it creating a vacuum. So there's things going on and there's a lack of information, and so it creates this sort of knowledge vacuum and Aaron is filling that vacuum and I'm trying to fill that vacuum a little bit, and Mike Rinder and all these different people are are putting that information out there that Scientology does not want out there, and so a lot of Scientologists are watching these things and they're getting answers to their questions and then they're deciding to leave Scientology or they're trying to kind of maneuver their way out of Scientology. And a lot of these people who've made this decision it's sort of an easy ask for them to just provide information that they know that's current, and so you've got a lot of people that are planning on leaving Scientology or they've already kind of left in their mind, but Scientologists don't know that they're out or that they're planning on leaving. So they still have current intelligence and information on what's going on in Scientology and then they're feeding it to people outside of Scientology. So, yes, aaron is causing quite a ruckus ruckus over there.

Speaker 1: 6:00

Okay, this is one from um. Ok, this is one from JLD is me. Where is the sewage retention pond at Int? Oh, yeah, we didn't do that on that video. The retention, we did. I did a walk. If you haven't seen it, I did a walkthrough of the entire international based Scientology property with Aaron a few days ago on his channel. We didn't really go into great detail, but we did an overview of the different buildings, the major buildings on the property. I do want to do a detailed video and go through each building with more information, but the retention ponds are sort of, I want to say northwest of the property, towards Riverside, in that direction, and you'll see it. There's two giant ponds. If you go on Google Earth you'll see there's just two giant ponds that are out past the city castle. If you, if you know, if you just Google city castle or city castle, golden era productions, just past that, you'll see these two ponds and those are the retention bombs. Okay, there's another one from Jennifer.

Speaker 1: 7:19

If I remember correctly, in your book you mentioned you bought DM a Depeche mode album for Christmas once. Which one was it? Did it have any favorite artists or songs? Yes, well, at the international headquarters we would get paid $46.28 a week. That was our total paycheck for a hundred hour plus week every week. Some weeks we didn't get paid, but the weeks we did get paid we got $46.28. Now, if it was David Miscavige's birthday or it was Christmastime, depending on that year and depending on how much we were getting paid, like if we were getting paid every week or we only got paid once a month, they would deduct a certain portion of our pay to go towards a gift for David Miscavige Out of $46,. You could get $10 out of your pay to give a gift for Dave. That was just for Golden Era Productions, some organizations they would take out $10 a week leading up to Christmas or leading up to his birthday, for a total of $50 a person. And in some other organizations, like at Author Services International, which is L Ron Hubbard's literacy agent in Los Angeles. One year they all got huge bonuses and their bonuses were donated to buy him a BMW 7 Series.

Speaker 1: 8:49

So I can't even remember the question oh, buying him a. So when they would have this, I kind of figured out a workaround which was, if they take $5 or $10 out of my pay for several weeks, I could end up giving him $20 or $30, or I could just give him a Depeche Mode CD. I worked in the manufacturing division so I could even take an older Depeche Mode CD that I already had and I could re-shrink, wrap it and give it to him as new, and then that way I wouldn't end up spending 50 bucks on a present for him and then when they would say, oh, we're taking it out of your pay, I'd say no, no, no, no, no. I already gave him a gift. I want my full pay. So, yes, we did give him presents for at least for his birthday and Christmas and then sometimes other occasions as well, which is kind of crazy.

Speaker 1: 9:41

Does it get to you when someone writes a K-R on you for dumb stuff? Yeah, that's a good question. Circling back to the knowledge reports, in Scientology there's some people that are basically career criminals and they're just always up to nonsense and doing horrible things. They get K-Rs written on them all the time. Then there's other people who are just doing their jobs and maybe they made a mistake or maybe they did something silly. There's people that are goody-two-shoes that just write up a knowledge report on anything and everything. That definitely does happen. On those things you've just got to be just like whatever. If somebody In the knowledge reports policy letter from L Ron Hubbard it says if you want to know who's causing problems in the organization, then you just look at their ethics folders, and these Knowledge Reports get filed into an ethics folder. Everything's hard copy there, by the way. So just killing trees every chance I get over in Scientologyville.

Speaker 1: 10:43

But, um, if, uh, if you get a lot of knowledge reports, your file starts to get your knowledge, your ethics file starts to get thicker and um, and I was always joke I would always joke when I was there that, um, cause I was doing a lot of things and I was in a lot of areas and I was over a ton of people. So like, if we didn't go to study, if if my crew I had about at one point I probably had about 30 or 40 crew under me and if we didn't go to study, then I would get a knowledge report for each person that didn't attend study. So I could get 40, 30, 40 reports in my folder in one go from a supervisor saying this person didn't show up to study and then they would put me on the report with the person who didn't showed up and they do that times 40 people. So I would often joke that file oh, I don't have a thick file, I've got my own drawer. It's just silly, silly Scientology stuff. Okay, what's this one? Thank you for doing the deep dive on all the BS they did. That goes on hand in hand with your book. Yes, you're welcome. Thank you for thanking me.

Speaker 1: 11:51

Okay, what was it like at the base when someone blew, did people talk about it or did they just pretend that the person never existed? That's a real good question. So there was tons of people that escaped over the years. Good question there were tons of people that escaped over the years. At one point, I want to say at the international headquarters, there were at least 800 people there, maybe almost 1,000 people. By the time I left in 2005,. I want to say there were about maybe three 400 people there.

Speaker 1: 12:29

So some people got kicked out, but a lot of those people escaped and usually what would happen is, if somebody did escape, then um, I'm trying to think it really depended on the person, but in a lot of cases there'd be an, an announcement and then um, like I'm sure this happens in the regular world. I've seen this in um, in like other kinds of corporate and business situations, where when someone's fired or someone quits, then anything bad that's happening in the company was all because of that one person. Scientology does that every single time. So when somebody escapes, they would usually anybody and everybody who may be even there that person, person still there, who perpetrated this thing that's wrong, or that they themselves did something wrong and no one ever figured out who did it. It would all get blamed on the latest person who escaped. Be like, oh yeah, no, blah, blah, blah. He did all that.

Speaker 1: 13:34

So, um, yeah, and they would usually tell everybody, like there was this one guy that left that I knew he was a little bit, um, he was a little chubby, but, um, they said when he left that he started doing drugs, he was, he was hanging out with prostitutes full time and that he was like 350, 400 pounds and that he moved to Las Vegas and and then I met him after I had left, and and he would look just the same as he did when he escaped. And I was like, dude, did you lose weight? He was like, no, I might, might even gain a little bit. I was like, oh, I thought would look just the same as he did when he escaped. And I was like, dude, did you lose weight? And he was like, no, I might, might even gain a little bit. I was like, oh, I thought you were like 400 pounds.

Speaker 1: 14:16

He was like it was just all made up, all made up by Scientology, so that they could, you know, use that as an excuse to, uh, uh, just blame stuff on that guy, okay, um, okay, here's another one. I mean I've got some, uh, some people who've got questions here and I'm just going to go through and I'm reading your comments and I'm kind of starring these as I go. Um, let's see here, da, da, da, da, da da. Oh, this is a good one. I've never done this.

Speaker 1: 14:54

It says have you, mike or anyone, use the F O I, a request system to get emails, et cetera, from the police regarding Scientology? If not, it should be used. Yeah, this is the freedom, of freedom of information act. And, um, I actually did do that. That's how I got the police report. That's in my book. That was gotten from a request, a public records request, and I've never done it for anything else. I don't know. I guess you could do it. I haven't done it, but if somebody wants to do that, they could. I guess you just have to know what law enforcement or what agency you should get it from. That's a good question. Okay, here we go.

Speaker 1: 15:44

The A to J check questions. When you route out onto new lines, please talk about the questions they ask, especially do you owe taxes and any thoughts of self-harm? Okay, so the A to J. The A to J check questions. Okay, so this is a crazy thing in Scientology. So they have. If you want to get if you get kicked out of Scientology or you get declared a suppressive to get back in, there is some steps you have to do and those are called A to E steps. Now there's also an interview or a sec check that gets done in Scientology and that's called an A to J check. We'll have to do a video about an A to J check, but it's basically a list of questions that they have.

Speaker 1: 16:34

And then, especially, do you owe taxes and any thoughts of self-harm? Well, I don't know why I would owe taxes, but when I was there and I was getting paid that $46 and 28 cents the reason it was $46 and 28 cents is because it was $50 and that's what the taxes are on $50. It's like, uh, three bucks and change to get you 40, 46, 28. Yeah, three bucks and whatever that is Somebody doing the math here 72 cents, $3.72. So the reason I know how much I got paid for the whole time I was there is because when I left, I wrote to social security and they sent me a statement.

Speaker 1: 17:25

Now you can do all this online, but you can go onto your social security and if you're in the Sea Org, or if you were in the Sea Org, or if you were in the Sea Org and you've left and you've escaped from Scientology, or if you were on staff in Scientology, go to your Social Security profile at I think it's called ssagov, the socialsecurityadministrationgov, go there and print off the report of your earnings for the years that you were in Scientology or the Sea Org and, if you don't mind, send it to me. I'd love to know how many years you worked there, where you worked, and how much you made over those total years. And then you just divide the weekly amount of hours into the amount of money you got paid and that's how you come up with the figure. I think I calculated it into the hours. I did an Excel spreadsheet and I divided the hours into the amount I made and I think I made. I want to say it was like $0.32 or $0.36 an hour was my average wage, because even though we were getting $46.28 a week, we were not always getting paid. And on my Social Security statement, I think there was at least two or three years where they reported zero earnings for the whole entire year. We just didn't get paid. Those were pretty rough years. I remember those.

Speaker 1: 18:45

Okay, here's another one. It's from Goldie and it's from Mickey Labenz, I think I've heard that name. I think I've sent Mickey a book. Mickey, here in chat, wants to know if you still have the bike motorcycle you escaped on. Okay, that's a really good, that's a really good question and the answer is yes and no.

Speaker 1: 19:08

So the motorcycle that I escaped on was a 1995 TW 200 Yamaha. Yeah, 1995 Yamaha TW 200 motorcycle. And after I left, I didn't have a lot of money after I left and the motorcycle was in pristine condition and I actually ended up selling that motorcycle to Universal, the movie production company, and they used it in a movie called Fast and Furious, tokyo Drift. It was one of the Yakuza, like a Japanese gang or Japanese mafia, whatever Japanese street gang slash mafia motorcycle racers, and they made it into a Yakuza bike for that movie and I, originally I was renting it to them, but then, after they fully destroyed it, I was able to sell it to them for an insane amount of money. And after we moved to Colorado this was when I was still in Los Angeles After we moved to Colorado this is when I was still in Los Angeles I found the exact same bike with the exact same amount of miles I had on it.

Speaker 1: 20:20

I basically restored it to look exactly like the motorcycle that I had when I was at the property. That motorcycle is parked at this house that I live in right now. So I have the exact same model, color, everything it's exactly the same. But it's not the actual bike that I escaped on, but it looks like it and if I didn't tell you the whole story you'd think it was so. But I had a. I did have some kind of connection to that motorcycle, so I I got another one that was exactly the same.

Speaker 1: 20:49

I hope that answers your question. That was a great question. I like that. Okay, let's see what else we got here. Yeah, thanks for the question, mickey, I answer. I answer all the questions I see that are good or that I like. I don't just answer the super chats, but if you do a super chat I will try to get it and answer it.

Speaker 1: 21:15

Let me see there's a lot of here we go. Oh, yeah, there was a lot. How many people are in here? I have to kind of move this around. Oh, almost 500 people in here. Okay, let's see. Yeah, goldie is a rock star. Okay, somebody's making up lyrics. Goldie is golden. Goldie's a rock star. Okay, yeah, we know Goldie's a rock star. Do you guys have any questions? There's a lot of statements I'll put up. I'll do a. Oh yeah, this guy's writing a song in here.

Speaker 1: 22:01

Who's a dirty cop. I'm a private detective, scientologist, scammer. Who's a dirty cop? Oh boy, okay, hey, it's Jorge. I know this guy. He used to be at the base. I don't know what Jorge's current status is, but Jorge, his father used to work at Able International, which is the Sea Org group that runs Narconon Way to Happiness, applied Scholastics and Criminon. His dad used to work there, his mom used to work at Golden Arrow Productions and his brother used to work at Golden Arrow Productions. Jorge was a security guard at the International Base.

Speaker 1: 22:55

His comment says hey, mark, I took part in the blow drill too. Lol, I blew to Mexico. Yes, jorge participated on the blow drill, tracking people down. Then he eventually became the subject of a blow drill and people down. And then he eventually became the subject of a blow drill and escaped and blew to Mexico. It's hard to get people back from Mexico, especially if they're Mexican. That's a hard recovery If you're doing the blow drill. Thanks, jorge, hope you're doing well. Say hi to your brother, felipe. His brother, felipe, used to work for me when I ran the film crew.

Speaker 1: 23:28

Okay, what do we got here? Yeah, if you're in here, subscribe, hit the like button. That's all good, it's free. Smash the like button. No, you don't have to smash it, just hit it normally. I don't know where the smash thing came from. That seems like everybody wants to say smash it. But yeah, you don't have to smash anything. Especially if you're doing stuff with computers, it's likely to gently touch it. Okay, here's a good one. Well, this person's very, very Sherry Van Horsen, tiki Hut RV. Hey, sherry, just finished a book.

Speaker 1: 24:07

Why the hell isn't Scientology charged with violating child labor laws, wage and hour laws, osha violations, not to mention assault charges? This is a very good question and I will tell you the main reason that I think of, and that is, if you're in the Sea Org and all these things are happening like all of the above, it's normal in Scientology for the most part. Like all of those things Child labor laws, wage and hour laws, osha violations and assault that's all like a Tuesday in Scientology. Scientology when you leave or when anyone leaves or escapes from Scientology, it usually takes a few years for them to decompress or to kind of like, you know, for the for the brain fog to wear off and for way to prosecute or even charge them with any of these things, because they have, like, some of these things have two years, one years, five years, depending on what it is, and also everyone has to participate in these things. So you might, scientologists that are still in might not cooperate. So when we, when I became excuse me, when we became sorry, I'm going to take a drink, I got this frog, excuse me, sorry. When, when, when, I think probably within a year, I was like, oh, I get it. This whole thing's a scam, these guys are criminals and they should all go to jail. And that was my main reason for posting all this stuff on the internet was just to air it out and also see what would happen.

Speaker 1: 26:07

Well, obviously, scientology came at me pretty hard, but there were a lot of lawsuits where people weren't bringing lawsuits against Scientology and they hadn't been bringing lawsuits against Scientology for decades. My wife and I, I think, were the first people to sue Scientology in probably a few decades, in probably a few decades, and now people are suing Scientology and they're going to court all over the place in all different countries for all amounts of crazy things. So somebody kind of had to break the dam. Even though my wife and I we lost our lawsuit, it was dismissed. There was another lawsuit that was started at the exact same time as ours that we were the same lawyers and everything, but they took a slightly different tact in that lawsuit and that lawsuit was ended up getting settled. And there have been other lawsuits that have kind of we kind of had to figure out what was what were their weaknesses were. And Scientology has kind of shored up some of those weaknesses and they've done some other things to evade getting busted for some of those things. But sooner or later, now that we have more and more Scientologists that are leaving and willing to cooperate, I think it's just a matter of time before there's just hundreds of lawsuits. At some point the IRS has to revoke their tax exemption and once that happens it's kind of like that will be the true beginning of the end.

Speaker 1: 27:36

I have a note here. Somebody wrote on my comments. They said that I say basically like 150 times a video. So I have a note here that says don't say basically I don't think I've said it yet, but if I have, I'm basically sorry about that, but I'm trying not to say it as much as I was.

Speaker 1: 27:57

Okay, let's see what else we got here. I know gold demands are great but busy and dude is amazing, but I will never go to a live again. Oh, sorry, how is Scientology? Okay, here's a good one. How has Scientology gotten away with not paying Sea Org members minimum wage? It's happening in plain sight. Where is the labor board? Okay, sea Org members are volunteers, they're not employees. That's the short answer to that question. Scientology can pay them nothing and get away with it. I think that Scientology thinks that they're paying them $45.28 is good for them. They shouldn't complain.

Speaker 1: 28:40

Steven Britton, a child of Cascadia. David's a bully, so nobody's free unless they escape from the org of the sea. Bang bang, boom. Okay, thank you, steven. I'm not sure what Steven's doing here. I think Steven's writing a song. Yakuza is correct for that movie. Thank you, I know Yakuza.

Speaker 1: 29:02

Okay, okay, let's see what else we got here. There are a ton of questions. Okay, scooter G says I saw my Scientology documentary that you started and it was awesome. Marty seemed unhinged at times. Yes, marty was unhinged at times. You're right.

Speaker 1: 29:24

Mark question why isn't Scientology big in Canada? Mark question why isn't Scientology big in Canada? Well, I don't know. I guess that's a good question. Probably because they got challenged. This is just a guess, because I'm not Canadian and I'm not totally up on the Scientology scene in Canada, but I do know that there was a lot of pushback in Canada early on in this and I want to say in the 60s and the 70s, and I think also there's some kind of law that says that the real, the religious exemptions and that sort of thing are a little bit different in Canada and I think Canada's their system is a little bit more robust in terms of letting people get away with the things Scientology gets away with. So I'd say that's the reason why they're not so big there, cause they they kind of get lit up there when they do anything. That's. That is um kind of shady.

Speaker 1: 30:21

Okay, do you support the presidential ticket? Zinu? Slash Zina 2025. Make TGAC great again. Okay, jr Exner, excuse me, that is an amazing question. I didn't know there was a 2025 election.

Speaker 1: 30:39

But now I'm going to tell you something I haven't told anybody. I've been saying for many, many years. Zinu is my homeboy and I actually tried to get the website. Zinu is my homeboy and I could never get it. Well, I would like to announce to everybody right now that I am the proud owner of the Zinuismyhomeboycom website and I plan to do things with it. I haven't figured out exactly what, but I'm going to do something. I think we're going to do merch, just so you guys know. Okay, it, I haven't figured out exactly what, but I'm going to do something. I think we're going to do merch, just so you guys know.

Speaker 1: 31:12

Um, okay, yeah, I would love a book from Claire too. Actually, I cried when I read the book and Claire joined Mark like a drama romance man. Yes, oh, thank you, mickey. That's Mickey again. Um, yes, um, if you haven't gotten my book blown for good, you should get it. It's a good book. Book that's what people tell me. Um, we have sold. We sold thousands and thousands and thousands of copies. Um, since 2009, and the book still holds up to this day, because almost all the stuff that they were doing when I was there, they're still doing. Um, and you can get it at blownforgoodcom and claire and I have both signed it, or you can get it at blownforgoodcom and Claire and I have both signed it or you can get it on Amazon, you can get it on Kobo, you can get it on eReader, you can get it on Apple. You can pretty much get it anywhere.

Speaker 1: 31:58

Books are sold Hard copy, paperback, digital or audio, and I read the audiobook as well and I do lots of voices. I don't just do other people in my voice, I try to imitate or try to make out like. There's this one lady Muriel who when I was, when I was escaping on my motorcycle and I got run off the road by the security guards from the international headquarters and then the police were helping me get into town, and this lady Muriel who was the PR lady from the international headquarters, she drove up next to the police and she said what's wrong with Mark? So, like that, I do that in the book. It's lots of fun.

Speaker 1: 32:38

Okay, um, what else we got? We have got a lot of questions coming in now. What time is it? Oh, we're still good, we got, we got time. Okay, whoosh, hello.

Speaker 1: 32:49

Do you know where I can get the secret books and other Scientology material? Now when the WikiLeaks source is down? I have no idea what that means. The secret books. There's no secret Scientology books. Almost all the books that are written by L Ron Hubbard, you can get them on eBay for like $3. By L Ron Hubbard, you can get them on eBay for like $3. Even the ones that cost hundreds of dollars, like leather bound, like gold leaf editions, you can get them for 10 bucks on eBay in most cases. So yeah, don't worry about that. There's no secret books. The secret books I don't even know about. Okay, here's a good one.

Speaker 1: 33:28

Is it just odd that high demand groups usually have sexual control? Scientology is pretty quiet on that front. Oh, no, scientology. They're very, very hyper focused on sexual conduct and when you're a public member or you're a staff member it's a little looser. But as soon as you join the Sea Org, they own your reproductive freedom and they dictate it for the most part. So it used to be. If a girl got pregnant in the Sea Org, like 99% chance, she's getting an abortion. Whether she wants one or not, it's happening. Whether she wants one or not, it's happening. Since my wife and I claimed that they did that, they now. Basically, if you do get pregnant, you have the option to leave without any nonsense. It is looser the further you go down in Scientology to organizations and public members. But in the C organization it's 100%. All that activity is controlled by um, by Scientology.

Speaker 1: 34:37

Steve Steven Britain says how does criminal work? Criminal? It's actually spelled C? R I M I N? O N, criminal, um. But criminal is basically you just do some some introductory um Scientology courses and they've just been re kind of formatted and re marketed um as like extension workbooks so you could, you could do them in prison, you could rip out, you could do the, the, the, the chores or the activities in the course, and then you just tear out the lessons and then you send them into Scientology and they get graded or they get graded at the prison. If there's like a criminal kind of ringleader there that's been assigned, that works volunteers for criminal. So yeah, okay, let's keep going here. Let's keep going here.

Speaker 1: 35:29

I sent a super chat but I haven't seen it. I'm pretty sure I did your Scooter G. I'm trying to find him here. Here we go. What was the most outrageous and or violent outburst you've ever personally witnessed from COB? By the way, I received my signed book last week. Why, thank you? I guess it's Chris OC or C-H-R-Z-O-C. You're welcome. What was the most outrageous or violent outburst you've ever personally witnessed from COB. Okay, this is in my book.

Speaker 1: 36:09

And there was an event that we had in Los Angeles at the Los Angeles sports arena, which is no longer there. It's been bulldozed, but it was the. It was an event where, um, there was um, there was an, an honor guard and a color guard and they were. They were basically dancing around the stage with these flags and then this was the opening to the event. They did this big thing. Um, I want to say this was at the. Was it the 1993 event? No, it was at the year 2000 event. Yes, it was at the year 2000 event, was it? I can't remember. It might've been been the 1993 event. They were both at the sports arena and they both had honor guard. So you'd have to look in the book to tell, tell which one.

Speaker 1: 36:55

But basically the, the color guard that danced around with all these flags when they the guy it was. Actually it was the. It was the 2000 event. I'm pretty sure now that I think of it, because I think the guy that got busted was my junior. Yes, it was the 2000 event. Okay, so there was the 2000 event. I'm pretty sure now that I think of it, because I think the guy that got busted was my junior. Yes, it was the 2000 event.

Speaker 1: 37:12

Okay, so there was the New Year's event, 2000, at the sports arena in Los Angeles and the color guard danced around and the guy that was in charge of the color guard, which was the stage manager, his name was John Thomas. And John Thomas told these girls, when you get off the stage, you're going to just take your flags, which are pointy, and throw them in this one area backstage. So that's what they did. Well, right before David. Right when they're done is right when David Miscavige comes out. And David Miscavige, he was supposed to enter from one side of the stage, but then he changed his mind and he was going to enter from another part of the stage and it was the exact spot where John Thomas told those girls to throw their flags, which were basically spears in teenager hands. And so David Miscavige was standing there and all these girls started coming off the stage after they did their dance routine and they started chucking their spears right in this spot where David Miscavige was standing and he said this is the way he tells it, but he's a drama queen, but he said that he could hear and he could feel the spears whizzing past his hair as they were being thrown off stage, and then he got out of the way. So, yeah, there was an outburst there. I'm pretty sure that John Thomas went directly to the Rehabilitation Project Force, or RPF, for that one single thing. So, yeah, that was a big outburst.

Speaker 1: 38:53

There was other ones, though. Okay, let's see. Here Somebody says, say basically as often as you need, why, thank you? And then there's another lady who said basically LOL, lol, okay, let's keep going, let's keep going. Please see my question about Ontario. See, the hard thing is that there's let's see how many people are in here. Right now there are 564 people in here and they're commenting way too fast for me to go back and look for that. Okay, here's a good one.

Speaker 1: 39:29

Mark clergy, teachers and medical staff are mandatory reporters. Oh yeah, I think Aaron did a video on that today that would include the people isolated for emotional problems. Why isn't that in court? Again, who's going to report them? So Scientology would have to be reporting on themselves. So that's not going to happen. But there are a lot of people that are finding out about these things and we are now exposing that they're not doing their mandatory reports, so this is going to cause them some troubles. I think Aaron did a video Growing up in Scientology YouTube channel. I think he did a video on mandatory reporting today.

Speaker 1: 40:11

Do you think Debbie Cook would ever do an interview or do you think the NDA she signed banned her from anything Scientology or just about the case? No, sorry, I'm going to take a sip here because I've got another frog in my throat. Okay, debbie Cook was a very high-ranking Scientologist and Sea Org member that worked at the Clearwater location, the Flag Land Base, or FLB or just Flag. She was the captain of the Flag Service organization in Clearwater and she was promoted to the base. She was there for a few months to a year and she was like this is crazy. And she left.

Speaker 1: 40:55

And when she left, scientology gave her some money and they told her you can't say anything and just go and do your thing. Well, she didn't. That didn't really sit well with her and then she spilled the beans and then they sued her and then, when she went to court with them, she spilled a bunch more beans and they settled it right away and this time they paid her so much that it was actually a valid nondisclosure agreement and she hasn't said anything since. Valid nondisclosure agreement and she hasn't said anything since. I don't think there's anything else that she could say that she didn't already say. So there's not really any reason for her to do another interview because the things that she said were so damaging and were so thorough that they literally just got out their checkbook and just started adding zeros to the check that they wrote her, just got out their checkbook and just started adding zeros to the check that they wrote her. And, yeah, I'm glad that she got paid and I'm glad that she exposed and said most of what she knew. So I don't think there's any reason for her to do an interview anyway.

Speaker 1: 42:05

So, scooter G, maybe you're banned. No See, look, maybe I'm banned. You're not banned, I just showed you. Okay, we all appear to be letting Mark catch up with our ranting. Yeah, that's pretty much. I'm working at it. I'm yelling at the screen because there's one in Cambridge, ontario, canada, basically, lol, lol. Yeah, they do have organizations in Canada, but they're just not as big as in the United States.

Speaker 1: 42:34

Jackie Rose 11 says thanks for sharing and being a whistleblower. Love from Xenu and his homeboys. Yeah, thank you. Xenu is my homeboy. Hashtag Xenu is my homeboy. Okay, this is a great one.

Speaker 1: 42:48

Elsie, I'm very curious how hard it is to live in the real world after leaving Scientology. It takes a little bit of getting used to. I was in Scientology pretty much my whole life and I know I need to get some moderators. Renee B, thanks, I was in Scientology pretty much my whole life until I was in my early 30s and I hadn't really worked many other places besides working for Scientology pretty much my whole life, until I was in my early 30s and I hadn't really worked many other places besides working for Scientology.

Speaker 1: 43:14

But if you are being treated it's basically I'm like a rescue, like a rescue animal, like I thought life was great, and then you might get in a situation that's not the best for you and you might not be getting treated that well. And then you get adopted out to the real world and everybody's nice and you get fed and you have a nice place to sleep. And if you have a normal dog that you've had since it was a baby and you have a rescue dog, that rescue dog loves you usually a lot much, a lot more than that regular dog, cause that regular dogs had a good the whole time. That rescue dog he had a probably pretty bad before you got it or rescue cat, or rescue gerbil or whatever kind of animals you're rescuing. I've personally rescued cats and dogs, so I only have experience with those. Um, and my kids had a sugar glider once, but I don't think that was a rescue.

Speaker 1: 44:11

Okay, let's see, I've gotten your email, goldie. I use a certain app for this interface and I have to add the users to moderate in YouTube, and I haven't figured out a way so it can cross over to this. So that's just on my end. What's wrong with Mark? Oh, yeah, exactly that's what the girl said. This IA zero. He's very inside baseball. This guy right here, um, yes, inside what he's just saying. What I said, um, I got so, goldie, I got your email, I got everything. I just got to figure it out. I'm just going to say this right now I have a normal day job.

Speaker 1: 44:57

Whenever I'm doing this stuff, I do it from the hours of 7 pm to 1 am. That's when I do YouTube. So, unlike Aaron, who spends the entire day doing this stuff and doing lots of videos and stuff like that, I actually have other stuff that I do and that's how I support my family is doing my day job. The YouTube thing is just kind of a continuation of my Scientology Crusader hat. Okay, yeah, here's a good one. I thought Mark said a few streams ago that he doesn't know how to bequeath the wrench. Yeah, that's pretty much it. I haven't figured that out yet, I just haven't spent any time on it. Here's a good comment Child abuse is despicable. Yeah, pretty much. That's why we are trying to expose it.

Speaker 1: 45:52

Denver Stevio hey, denver Stevio. I don't know if you're from Denver, that's just the name you like. Do I recall correctly that you are longtime friends with Jason Begay? Any chance at putting together an AMA Q&A with him sometime soon on your channel? Yes, I am Buzz Buddies with Jason Begay and I have spent many a time with Jason Begay. Jason Begay for those of you who don't know, he plays detective or sergeant, some kind of cop, on Chicago PD. He's the main character on Chicago PD. He's Voight and he plays a cop. He's the boss cop on Chicago PD.

Speaker 1: 46:32

Jason Begay and I went to Germany together to do a conference and we actually spoke. It was a lot. It was basically like a European FBI and police equivalent in Europe with tons of European countries. They came to this conference and we basically explained to them and did a seminar and did a whole thing on how Scientology avoids prosecution and gets around laws and possible ways that they could stop that. There were police and law enforcement from tons of different European countries. I think it was very successful. So, yeah, jason's done a ton of stuff.

Speaker 1: 47:26

Excuse me, there is a video on YouTube where Jason Begay I think it's on Mark Bunker's channel I can't remember whose channel it's on, but I'm pretty sure it's on Mark Bunker's channel, zinutv. Mark Bunker is currently a Clearwater City Council member, but he has spent decades doing videos on Scientology, since the 90s, I want to say at least maybe late 80s. Even If you want to watch that video on Jason Begay, it's there. As far as me, putting together a video with Jason Begay, I'm pretty sure that Chicago PD are compensating him more than I could possibly ever do that and he has a whole new life now. I don't think he talks about Scientology at all, I don't think he even cares about them in the slightest, but he has done a lot to expose them. So, anyway, awesome, let's keep going. Here we go.

Speaker 1: 48:30

This is a great question, jackie Colbury, when someone gets sick enough to go to the hospital, do you need an escort? Well, if you're sick enough that you need to go to the hospital, I'm pretty sure they're not worried about you escaping. But it also depends on who you are. If Shelly got sick, shelly Miscavige if Shelly Miscavige got sick and had to go to the hospital, she's going with an escort, same thing with any other big executives that know. It basically depends on what you know. If you know stuff that's damaging, you're going to get an escort. If you don't, no, you just go to the hospital. Okay, this is great, brandon Krogstad, you just go to the hospital. This is great, brandon Krogstad.

Speaker 1: 49:15

Sorry if I mispronounced that I grew up in a cold, I just had a warm, fuzzy feeling. I got blocked by a Scientologist on Twitter for saying I learned about it on South Park. Ok, well, yeah, that's not really doing them, doing any much harm to them. So, um, it's not really mean. We you know we were. I was in Clearwater last week for a few days and, um, we went to the Clearwater building and, um, I did some videos. I'm going to see if I can put something together for that but, um, there was SEAL members all over the place and I didn't really, um, didn't really harass them, because they're not the problem. It's the bosses who are the problems. So, yeah, okay, huge fan. Thanks for all you do.

Speaker 1: 49:57

Can you explain why the cult needs ships? Are Sea Org staff out to sea, and if so, isn't that kind of sketchy for safety reasons? Happy New Year and thanks. Yeah, happy New Year and thanks. Yeah, the Sea Organization was born out of the fact that L Ron Hubbard used to be in the military. He was in the Navy. I think he left the Navy. I think he was discharged from the Navy. I'm not sure what they call it Dishonorably discharged. I think he was dishonorably discharged from the Navy. I'm not sure what they call it Dishonorably discharged. I think he was dishonorably discharged from the Navy. I'm not sure about that. But either way, the Navy was not a fan of him, regardless of how he left it. But in the 60s he had moved from the United States. He'd moved to England and he'd sort of set up camp in England because they were coming after him from the United States and when they started coming after him from England he went to South Africa and then when they started coming after him in South Africa, he decided international waters was the place for him and that's how the Sea Organization was born.

Speaker 1: 51:06

So I think once they kind of sorted out why they were getting attacked everywhere which is basically from Hubbard himself and for all this nefarious nonsense they were up to that. Basically they started moving back to land and that is the reason why Flag is called the FLB, the Flag Land Base, because before they had all these ships and the main ship was called the Flag Ship and that was the big ship that they did all the Scientology counseling and training. And when they figured out the legalities of what they were doing enough to be able to do that on land they moved it. I think they first moved to Daytona and then they moved to Clearwater Beach and they named that location the Flag Land Base and that's why you have all these Sea Organization bases that are all on land. The only Sea Org base or the only Sea Org unit that's at sea is the Freewinds, and that's this little tiny little tugboat of a cruise ship that they have that operates out of the ABCs, aruba, b, bonaire and Curacao. So yeah, I hope that explains that.

Speaker 1: 52:26

That was a very long answer, but I think I got a lot of data into that. One little answer. Okay, goldie, he didn't the fact that I quoted skin to him never replied, but I went to look and it shows I was blocked. Well, I didn't block you. I don't know who you're talking about. Comment people. Okay, let's see what this says. Oh, it's Debra Stevie. Again, thanks to you and Claire for sending the book, loving it and excited for my bracelet to come so I can officially present as an SP. That's right, we have SP bracelets at the spshopcom if you want one of those.

Speaker 1: 52:57

Okay, I'm going to keep going here. Oh, um, that's a good question. Um, did you eat all those fish you guys caught? Okay, this is some seriously inside baseball.

Speaker 1: 53:07

When I was in Clearwater, um, I took my kids fishing on a chart, a fishing boat, and we caught 55 fish and we did eat them. They were delicious. Um, they were. They weren't the biggest fish, but I think it was several, several pounds of fish. Okay, angela, tom Cruise is as quiet as a church mouse now. Yes, tom Cruise was talking a lot about Scientology and he got smacked around and now he's been very quiet.

Speaker 1: 53:39

Okay, let's see, I'm trying to go here. Aaron did indeed. Yes, he did do a video. Yes, aaron did a report on mandated reporters. I thought so. I got an alert or something. I'm always curious where everyone is, dallas here. Thank you, renee B.

Speaker 1: 54:03

Okay, let me keep going here. There was a good question but it kind of just ended. Somebody question Mark why would any Scientologist under the age of 17 think? Yeah, I think there's more to that question. Goldie starting trouble for Mark. Okay, here we go. This is a great one. Maxwell Edison's mom. Well, thank you, maxwell Edison's mom.

Speaker 1: 54:37

Does Scientology ever just let people leave and not give them a hard time when they do? I'm not aware of any of those instances. If you work them and you know lots of things, then they're probably not going to let you leave without a fight. If you don't know much, say you just read Dianetics and you went into the org and you watched a film or an introductory video, or you could probably go and they probably they'd send you mail and try to get you back in, but I don't think they do anything to you. Wow, this is a. This is new to me. It says I thought I saw a recent interview with Debbie cook where she said she's now a Christian and very involved with her new church? Yeah, I don't think so. I think you're talking about Amy Scobie, but maybe I haven't heard of that. But either way, good for them. I'm happy for them.

Speaker 1: 55:35

Okay, what time is it? Okay, we've got a few more minutes left here. I'm going to to get going to go hard here. Um, this is a good one. Um, why not do an anonymous child abuse report? That's very probable and I'm pretty sure that people have done that. Um, but then again, you have to be able to get inside the organization to investigate that child abuse. If the parents and the children are not willing to cooperate, there's not a lot you can do.

Speaker 1: 56:09

Debbie Richardson, it seems like Claire was more invested in the COSBS. Did it take her longer to come out of the brain fog than you? Hope? This made sense. That made perfect, perfect sense. I think it did. She was actually further up the kind of the, the training and processing levels of scientology, um, so there was a little bit more um washing of the brain going on. So, um, and I didn't have that much. So, yeah, it probably, um, probably did take her a little bit longer, but not much. Okay, blown for good.

Speaker 1: 56:45

Exposing question how come there are so many reports of COB beating grown men. From photos he doesn't look like he could beat my little niece. You know it's really funny you say that, zeus04. My nine-year-old is one inch shorter than David Miscavige One inch. Trust me. When he's taller than David Miscavige, I'm going to tell people about it. I think he has a birthday coming up in a few months, I think by his birthday I'm betting by his birthday he's taller than David Miscavige at 10 years old. The reason is because Dave Miscavige has a whole bunch of henchmen around him, and so he. When he's beaten on you, the second you get to do anything to fight back. You get grabbed and you get carried out of the building, like I did the one time. I looked like I might've been about to do something. So, yeah, that's why I was adopted by my dad when he married my mom and I appreciated him way more than his biological kids.

Speaker 1: 57:43

I can agree with your rescue analogy. There you go See. Yeah, mark, here we go. This is the thing I need. You would need to provide the mods with a link to your StreamYard backend. Well, thank you, steven. That makes a lot of sense. I'll figure out how to do that, whatever that means. Okay, let's see, here we got. Oh, here's a good one. Okay, this is a good question. Jack Wefso, how do you feel about organizations like the Free Zone, which try to preserve LRH tech outside of Church of Scientology? Okay, the free zone is basically a place where they have Scientology courses that you could do that don't cost any money.

Speaker 1: 58:28

I personally think that everything that Scientology is based on, lrh stole from something else. I don't think L Ron Hubbard had. I personally don't think he had an original thought. I think he was a thief and a liar either made it up or he stole it from somebody else. He was a very prolific writer and he was also a very prolific reader. It's safe to say that he read a lot of stuff and he stole a lot of little things from a lot of little places. I think anything from Hubbard is basically kindling or something that you could start a fire with. I don't think there's anything useful that Hubbard came up with.

Speaker 1: 59:19

I don't think you should pay for it and I don't think you should do it for free. I think you should stay away. There are a lot of people like you hear about these people who are dying in Florida, these people that have gone all the way to the top of Scientology's bridge to total freedom, and they are setting themselves on fire and killing themselves. And they are setting themselves on fire and killing themselves. So it's not an accident. These things are happening. Scientology is cross-wiring their brains and driving these people insane. So I don't think you should do that for free.

Speaker 1: 59:59

Here we go, chris says. I feel you, mark. I'm at work right now designing aircraft components. It's going to be a long night. Well, good for you, chris. That sounds like a worthwhile endeavor. I am quite the aircraft aficionado. Lately, my wife updates avionautics on small passenger planes, believe it or not. So there's a lot of aircraft stuff happening in our family every once in a while. Okay, last few questions. I'm going to do three or four more questions and then we're going to get out of here Blow for good.

Speaker 1: 1:00:30

Do you think it would be possible to get a pair of spy glasses to one of the trainees in Clearwater? No, those, those trainees are getting used hard and put away wet. No, when somebody like that gets caught with something like that, bad things happen to them. I would never set one of those guys up for getting caught like something like that. Yeah, jason Begay played Hank Reardon in Atlas Shrugged Part 2 and was probably one of the best actors in that film. Jason McKay played Hank Reardon in Atlas Shrugged Part 2 and was probably one of the best actors in that film. Yes, I remember when he shot that movie. Steven, here we go. This, I think, is a joke, but I'm going to read it anyway. Any thoughts on starting a GoFundMe and support having books like Blown for Good, go and Clear A Billion Years Engra stainless steel tablets and encased in titanium capsules underground? No Scientology does etch their Elmer and Hubbard books into steel or stainless steel plates and then puts them in titanium capsules sealed with argon gas and then buries them inside of the mountains. I don't think I need to do that for my book.

Speaker 1: 1:01:43

Jen Nelson says did you ever go and get a high school diploma or a GED? No is the answer to that. I did not finish past Scientology school. The Scientology school that I went to didn't really have grades. It had like kind of sections, and I think the section that I got up to is the only reason I even have a kind of a sort of a yardstick of where it got to is because when all of my kids get past. I have three boys and two of them are past 13. And usually when they're about 13 is when their homework looks like foreign languages to me. I want to say whatever grade you're in when you're 13,. That's as far as I got in school. Yeah, no, I haven't done that. That's what I need a moderator for. Basically that comment right there. Um, they didn't even put a link, so it's kind of disservice to all of us. Um, and the porn bats have arrived. That's what Goldie said. And the porn bots have arrived. Um, okay, um, sp detected. That's fun. Well, there's not that many 'm? There's a lot. I'm getting a lot of questions here. Um, what is the deal with shelly miscavige? Uh, mark and goldie and the other. Okay, let's do two more and then we're out of here. It's a strange little movie joke. No, no, okay, here we go. Boof Mark. What is the deal with the blinding ugly gaudy design ethos of Scientology? Is that an LRH thing or does Muscavige order it that way because he thinks it looks good? I think that's a David Muscavige thing. Anything that's happening in Scientology these days is all from Muscavige. So yeah, I would say that's a Muscavige thing. Okay, here we go. Boom Mark, I ordered the book's a Miscavige thing. Okay, here we go, boom Mark. I ordered the book and read it in two days. I couldn't put it down. I laughed and cried. Thank you for writing an amazing book. Well, if I don't know if that's a plug, I don't know what is it's Joseph Martin. Thank you for that. I appreciate that. Okay, we're going to do one last one. Here we go, and this one Do your kids ever ask about Scientology? Thanks, elsie. No, they don't. I think the kids have grown up hearing us talk about it and hearing us talk to like we're friends with the Rinders and we're friends with the Smith-Levins, and so their kids and our kids are all kind of hanging out together and when we get together it comes up. So I think they've heard enough over the years to kind of get that it's not that great and they probably don't want to have anything to do with it. Um, but I don't think any of my boys have ever read my book. Um, I think if they really really wanted to know, I think they would read that and then that would kind of tell them everything that I could tell them about it. But yeah, they don't ask about it. I think they know a lot or they know enough. They don't ask me directly with it, um, okay, um, that's all for the questions. Um, I just wanted to tell you guys a few cool things that we have coming up that are going to be amazing. 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