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Worship Beyond Words: True Worship with Guest Pastor Cedric Cobb Pt1
In this first of two episodes on worship, Pastors Seth Odom and Jason Watson sit down with Pastor Cedric Cobb to discuss how true worship extends far beyond music to encompass a holistic lifestyle of prayer, sacrifice, and daily actions. Reflecting on biblical teachings, we explore how genuine worship involves a continuous, daily practice that permeates all aspects of life. Additionally, we delve into the impacts of cultural and generational influences on worship music, balancing emotional expression with theological depth. This thought-provoking conversation with Pastor Cedric Cobb of Surface Church in Apex, NC will challenge you to rethink the essence of worship, prioritizing genuine devotion over mere entertainment or personal preference. Join us for a transformative discussion that aims to deepen your spiritual journey and enrich your understanding of worship. Also, be on the look out for episode 2 of worship as Pastor Cedric shares a wealth of knowledge and experience as a worship leaders. It will be a great episode for worship leaders, worship members and everyone who has questions about worship!
In this first of two episodes on worship, Pastors Seth Odom and Jason Watson sit down with Pastor Cedric Cobb to discuss how true worship extends far beyond music to encompass a holistic lifestyle of prayer, sacrifice, and daily actions. Reflecting on biblical teachings, we explore how genuine worship involves a continuous, daily practice that permeates all aspects of life. Additionally, we delve into the impacts of cultural and generational influences on worship music, balancing emotional expression with theological depth. This thought-provoking conversation with Pastor Cedric Cobb of Surface Church in Apex, NC will challenge you to rethink the essence of worship, prioritizing genuine devotion over mere entertainment or personal preference. Join us for a transformative discussion that aims to deepen your spiritual journey and enrich your understanding of worship. Also, be on the look out for episode 2 of worship as Pastor Cedric shares a wealth of knowledge and experience as a worship leaders. It will be a great episode for worship leaders, worship members and everyone who has questions about worship!
Hey, what's up, family? We are back with another episode of Pastor to.
Speaker 2:Pastor.
Speaker 1:Hey hey. As always. Pastor Jay, you just heard and we got a guest in the room, one of our good friends, pastor Cedric Cobb.
Speaker 3:What's up family? How y'all doing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, pastor Cedric actually helps Pastor Jason here at Crosspoint on Sunday morning. Let's go Leading worship and being a part of his team here, while also being a lead pastor of Surface Church, who's just about seven months old or so. Let's go Down there in the Apex area. So if you're looking for a church in the Apex Raleigh area, hey, come check my boy out, come see us. Why don't you share a little bit about how the church is going, the family and everything?
Speaker 3:Yeah, man. So what's up? Everybody Listen, I'm so excited to be on today, man. A little bit about myself, man and the church. Man, I'm so excited. I'm actually a country boy from Vansboro, north Carolina.
Speaker 3:So, Lauren Berg feels like home. My grandfather was an agriculturalist, is a church planter and a car salesman. How you do all three, I have no clue, but I'm glad he did it. But no, we just launched. We're actually eight months, about to be nine, so that's really, really cool.
Speaker 3:We launched in September of this past year and we've just been growing steady. We've not been in a hurry. Actually, our first few months looked a lot like us kind of staying underground and really kind of rinsing and repeating services and making sure our core was solid and that they were getting poured into, and we've just kind of now started to come up for visibility to say, hey, family, y'all pull up, plan a visit, come see us, come get to know us, and so that's been really, really cool. We're growing every single month. We have a phenomenal, phenomenal team, and it has has been a beautiful story. To be very honest, we went from having a space that we thought was going to be our space to that space kind of falling to pieces and God providing us with a space. Shout out to Pastor Matt Mitchell, potter's Hand. Shout out to Carolina Movement. Shout out to Nexus Network.
Speaker 1:Hey, if Pastor Matt Mitchell listens to this, I just want to remind him he owes me a chicken filet sandwich. He owes you some chicken filet I love it.
Speaker 3:But no, we've been blessed man. Our team is great. We've had some phenomenal people. Obviously, Pastor Seth's actually one of our supporters, of our ministry. I mean, we kind of just go back. We go back to youth revivals, youth camps in. Laurenburg. We go back to India and Biryani and me trying to tip a wedding.
Speaker 1:Let me bless you with these 20 rupees.
Speaker 2:my boy, bro. We never forget that. We will never forget that it was so hilarious.
Speaker 1:India was amazing. I've actually taken a team in September and I told them that story.
Speaker 3:Hilarious. I thought I was really doing something he's told them all kinds of stories.
Speaker 2:Who?
Speaker 1:knows when the chef himself looks at the tip and gives it to a server, it's like yeah, you got it. He's like no, I don't want this. Keep your quarter bro.
Speaker 3:I thought I was being a blessing guys. It was really, really hilarious.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he thought you was handing him a 20. I was like here's a 20. Go ahead and do some turned out to be like not even a penny.
Speaker 3:Not even a penny it was like a dollar was like 67 rupee back then, I think it was so it was like it was crazy.
Speaker 2:It wasn't even more than like 36, yeah something like that hilarious man.
Speaker 3:But no, um, surface is going really well. Our vision is to see god's purpose surface in people, and so we've been seeing god. Just send people young college students, older people I'm just a phenomenal, like just multi-generational church um, and we're just believing that God's going to give us strategy and wisdom on how to continue to love the community of Apex. Shout out to the mayor Just phenomenal, phenomenal city, phenomenal people, and we love what God's doing there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, absolutely. What time do you do services on Sunday?
Speaker 3:Sunday at 4 pm.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:And man, it's just been phenomenal.
Speaker 2:We're excited. You're going to look out there one day and you're going to see me out there. Come on, I can't wait, it's going to happen.
Speaker 3:We've had some pastors pull up man Shout out to Revolve Church. So many other pastors Pastor Rodney at Calvary I got Pastor Brad Carter coming in the building too, yeah, yeah, yeah Love him. It's phenomenal didn't feel the necessity to like pursue numbers. As a pastor, I've never really been focused on numbers in the sense of quantity, but just growing disciples and making disciples, and that's a big thing for us, so that's a huge part of our people that listen to our podcast, they know that's pretty much how we are as well as uh, you, you definitely at home in this room.
Speaker 1:Come on, uh, pastor, pastor cedric, I like to call him the cheat code of ministry. Every time I introduce him to people it's like, oh, this is said, he's the cheat code. Like, he's a creative, he's a worship leader, he can preach and uh, he's a great friend. And uh, we've got him in here because he specializes in worship. For how many years you've been doing worship?
Speaker 3:oh man, um, I would say from a staffed position in ministry as far as like a role since 2015. But I grew up in church. Like my father's a pastor, so I started off on drums at like 10 years old. So for me I'm a Baptist boy, my family's Baptist denomination, and so I grew up just playing drums and it went from drums to piano, to trumpet, to 15 instruments. I literally played 15 instruments.
Speaker 1:Wow, I didn't want to do nothing else but Light Flex on the pod today, just a small, he put one of them to the penny whistle.
Speaker 2:He was playing the penny whistle, listen, listen. You don't even know what that is. It's the washboard.
Speaker 3:I got that washboard.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the spoons.
Speaker 1:The spoons.
Speaker 3:Cool man. I any instrument I saw in the building. Um, I just wanted to be on it. I could play organ, I do all the things, and so my dad became a pastor and I just played whatever they needed. But it's been, it's been I love it man well definitely 20 years plus we got him in here.
Speaker 1:He's going to help us. And, uh, for worship leaders, hey, if you're already listening to this right now, go ahead and take a moment and share it with somebody who is a worship leader or considering being a worship leader, even pastors. Pastor Jay was his worship leader and preacher, and Cedric come along and kind of helped him be able to make that transition easy and stuff.
Speaker 2:Absolutely A huge, huge help. We appreciate you, brother. I love being here, man.
Speaker 3:It's been an honor to I grew up in ministry my whole life, so it's been cool just to know that the kingdom is so much more bigger than the churches we like to lock ourselves into. And so I love being a part of Larnberg and a part of Crosspoint. I'm a part of both the city in my heart as well as the church at large.
Speaker 3:And so it's just been a privilege to really pour into the team. I love everybody here. I mean, there's so many people I could shout out right now Crosspoint, but it's family.
Speaker 2:Let's start with some general worship questions. So let me ask you this pastor what is your, what is your definition of worship, and how does it extend beyond music?
Speaker 3:Yeah, so worship is a life laid down, love encountered and love given.
Speaker 3:And so that's kind of simple simplified for me, um, a life that's laid down because the Lord laid his life down. Um, I believe any that Jesus is pure theology, that we can look at him. Greater love has no man than one who was laid, laid his life down. I believe that Jesus is pure theology, that we can look at him. Greater love has no man than one who has laid down his life for a friend. So I think our lives, obviously we present them as living sacrifices.
Speaker 3:Worship is to ascribe value, to add worth to. So I don't just look at it as a life laid down, but a love that we've encountered and a love that is given back to that same love we encountered. And so, for me, how does it extend beyond music? I think to reduce God down to music is very unfortunate, and we see it throughout the entire church at large. There are people who have made the house of God a house of worship when it's actually a house of prayer first. So, while as amazing as worship may be, worship is also prayer.
Speaker 3:Worship is the response of life towards their God period. And so we worship Jesus. So I look at everything from my parenting, from my loving my neighbor, from me singing songs, from me spending time in the word. All of that to me personally, I believe, is worship, and we see the first signs of worship in sacrifice in the Old Testament, with Abraham, and so one of the first ideas was that he would give God an offering, or you see it with Cain and Abel, this idea of sacrifice, and then you see this very prophetic picture with Abraham where he's about to give his son, and so I look at worship as, again, a life laid down. Sometimes that looks like you laying down, laid down. Sometimes that looks like you laying down your ambition. Sometimes it looks like you laying down that relationship, putting certain things on the back burner because of the one that set your heart on fire.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so you mean to tell me it's not just singing some songs?
Speaker 3:Oh it's not, it's not Maverick City.
Speaker 1:It's not Bethel, it's not.
Speaker 3:Hillsong United. It's not any of your favorite. It's not Casting Crowns, it's not Philip Wickham. It is people who have ascribed worth, value and intimacy to their God, and that is a variation of things that would be like to say. Marriage is exclusively sex, and sex alone and that is only a byproduct of covenant. So, yeah, I think it's the same terminology. It's a full life expression to the Lord.
Speaker 2:Love it. That's awesome. Yeah, how do you? How do you balance the different elements of worship? So, if we're talking about like it being a lifestyle, how do you balance it all?
Speaker 3:Oh, absolutely, I would say if, if your worship life is only existent on Sunday, then you don't have a worship life, you have a service life. Your, your life is the culmination of a scheduled experience, not something that you live out in the existence of humanity. So for me, it is prayer, it's music, it's loving your kids, it's washing your wife's mind, her conscience, with the water by the word that honors the Lord, anything that brings him glory. The Bible says whatever is perfect, whatever is beautiful, whatever's pure, whatever's praiseworthy If there's any virtue in those things, then we're supposed to think on that. I believe your mind is the epicenter of where all of it should flow from in the first place.
Speaker 3:We used to sing an old hymn We've come into this house gathered in his name. Why are we here? So let's forget about ourselves. Let come into this house gathered in his name. Why are we here? So let's forget about ourselves, let's concentrate on him. I think we have to take that application from that song and apply it to our everyday lives, like I've. I've woken up today, gathered around the presence, and I'm going to worship him. I'm going to forget about myself. I'm going to know that all of the world seeks all these things, but as long as I have him, I have everything, and that is where the substratum of my faith starts. And so, for me, I think you balance it by understanding that if your life is not stemming from that, then you're going to miss it.
Speaker 3:There's a scripture that I love in Proverbs, chapter three. I read this to our leadership team the other night about wisdom, and everybody loves this scripture in verse five, where it says trust in the Lord with all your heart. Lean not on your own understanding, and all your ways acknowledge them. In the Passion Translation it says this it says trust in the Lord completely. Do not rely on your own opinions. With all your heart, rely on him to guide you and he will lead you in every decision you make. This verse 6 says become intimate with him in whatever you do and he will lead you wherever you go. And then he says don't think for a moment that you know it all, for wisdom comes when you adore him with undivided devotion. It doesn't say wisdom is a state of mind.
Speaker 3:Worst wisdom is a flow that stems from intimacy. So when the bible says in john 15 abide in the vine, every nutrient, every resource, everything that god could give to us comes from that intimate connection of us being an extension of god. And so, for me, I was like you think, wisdom comes when you think right. Yeah, it's not just the thought, but wisdom comes when you become intimate with him, rather than trying to have a tool in your tool belt. If you have him, you have everything. You have every single piece, and you don't have to worry about wandering off all over the place. You won't wander off into false doctrines. You won't wander off because my sheep know my voice, yeah, and that implies intimacy.
Speaker 2:And instead of trying to figure out how to get there, he just puts you there Exactly.
Speaker 3:Exactly the Bible says wisdom actually calls out to you. You're not just asking for it, it actually, when you get in proximity, you'll begin to hear the voice of God guide you. The Bible says the spirit of God leads and guides you into all truth. So your ability to think wise is one thing, but when wisdom actually begins to move you, it's another. Just like in Hebrews 11, it says faith stirred Moses. You can have faith, but faith can have you, because faith knows how to activate things on the inside of you.
Speaker 3:And so the Bible says, by faith, the walls of Jericho were pulled down not by their shout. The Bible says, by faith, that the waters were parted not by a a staff, and sometimes we give credit to the wrong thing when really, once I start having faith, faith will have me, because faith is not just a abstract thought or construct. It is something that is sourced in god but the action is the result of faith.
Speaker 2:Exactly, they shouted in faith exactly.
Speaker 3:but we would not have faith without a god who gives us the measure, and the measure can only come from him, because he's the creator and the source of all things. So when we say we have him, we have El Shaddai, all sufficient. One, that means everything. His grace is sufficient, his wisdom we're only pulling from what he already is in everything that we do.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's right, that's how I look at us balancing that out, understanding that he is the source, I'm not jaira, he is, and that means all provision. And so when you read through hebrews 11, it's like, oh, by faith, all these things happen, but it says faith stirred him. Well, if I'm the one having the faith, then how is faith stirring me?
Speaker 3:yes, that mean that means faith actually does something outside of what I think. So, like you said, it's activational, it's a vehicle, it's a currency and once I spend it, the transaction starts to move right so yeah, that's what I look at let's look at some, let's talk through some like worship culture.
Speaker 1:Uh, especially in the modern day, how do you see the culture of worship evolving in modern churches today?
Speaker 3:oh man, I think that's a loaded question, because to say worship, I would say worship can carry culture, but that worship isn't necessarily a culture. I think for a lot of people, worship, culture is now becoming defined as well. This house looks like this, they sound like this, they do this in a certain format and sometimes I think we've gotten so far away in culture that now worship is a sound in a genre, and even though sound can be involved in worship, now we have people who are preferential in their worship when back in the Bible days there was no preference but God's preference.
Speaker 3:When he set up a tabernacle. Here's what I want, here's what I require, here's what I request, here's what I expect from you. And the Bible says that in John 4, the Father seeks those that would worship him. And then he says here's how you worship me, in spirit and in truth, not in preference, and in your favorite song. And if you don't sing this, my hands aren't going up.
Speaker 3:And if you don't do this song, or even to the point where some songs have gotten deeply emotional and there's no theological truth in them. We're just singing how we feel and I think there has to be a balance to all of that.
Speaker 3:So, I think modern culture has actually become in some ways self-inflated. We hear a lot of songs about ourselves, not a lot of songs that are glorifying the Lord. I feel like I can go back further in time, even though there's some great songs today, and hear more about bless that wonderful name of Jesus, you know, or just certain things. You know what I'm saying? Like there were certain songs we would just sing Hallelujah, thank you Lord, it was all about him. And now we've got all these songs about encouragement, and the Bible doesn't leave room for that. Encourage one another in Psalms, hymns and spiritual songs yeah, but I think has become very horizontal very people not as vertical, for sure, I would say a lot of people.
Speaker 3:There are certain songs like Yeshua. I feel like that's a very vertical song. You're worthy of it all. Very vertical songs. I love that type of stuff. I just think that we're seeing a broader spectrum of music and so sometimes I do know that we can like isolate it and be like well, a lot of these people are singing about self. I'm grateful that there are movements that are still placing the focus on Jesus, but we can't act like there's not a culture of people who are like yo. This is what I prefer and it all has to sound like Maverick City. To be very honest, I love Maverick City, but I think there's been so many worship movements as of lately that feel like a rinse and repeat of a similar system. Everybody's getting in circles, everybody's doing that style and that flow. There's not a lot of high praise songs.
Speaker 2:I love the idea of the K-Level Awards and things like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But then I have to wonder at what point are we more about getting the award than we are worshiping God?
Speaker 1:Absolutely. I'll say this when you talk about worship culture, if worship culture, and what we've defined it as, does not carry what you just talked about spirit and truth and the elimination of our preference and actually just focusing on what is God wanting to do in a moment, worship culture translates now, in the entertainment of culture, absolutely To where it's no longer about Yahweh, it's about my way. Yeah absolutely.
Speaker 3:It's all about how I can make myself feel, make the church feel, and how we can capitalize on an emotion in the room instead of the presence that's in the room. I think there's a lot of people who are trying to write the best song to Jesus, when the fact that the song's heart should be rooted in pursuit of him should make the song valuable. But I think right now we're in a culture that is definitely trying to write hit songs, definitely trying to have number ones, and I would even say that we're in a point where the Bible I think Pastor Jason said this on Sunday you know with the mouth that people praise me, but their hearts are far from me.
Speaker 3:And we're in a culture that can say it well but not live it well oftentimes.
Speaker 1:And we're in a culture that can say it well, but not live it well.
Speaker 3:Oftentimes we're in a we're in a system where there was a point in time, man, where I felt like there were so many holy moments, and right now it just seems like there's a lot of anthems, a lot of singing, but is there really a lot of transformation?
Speaker 3:Because, I do think that because we've made worship a song or music that we forget that the Bible says with their mouths they praise me. But I don't care how much you sing your favorite song, your heart can still be far from the Lord. And so one of my favorite songs growing up was coming back to the heart of worship, where it's all about you. I'm sorry, lord, for the things I've made it, and even like Nothing Else by Kerry Jobe and Cody Corns, like that song, I'm sorry when I come with my agenda, I'm sorry. I forgot that. You're enough. I think we have songs that speak to where we are, but we have a lot more songs that speak to, I think, a lot of self-inflation and making it about I, which we know.
Speaker 3:That's what Lucifer did. I listened.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I think this is a generational thing too, because there are some. When I first became pastor and we started shifting the culture even when I was associate pastor, we started shifting the culture from the old hymnals and the congregationals to some of the more contemporary stuff. There were just some people who would not go with the movement and I would catch it out in the community from family members who didn't even go to this church. They were like you're taking over the worship, you're taking them old songs from people. I'm like it's more than an old song, it's more than a new song, like our worship, our worship service to God, is more about our heart position for him than our words. And it's like if you really want to go back those old songs, I'll Fly Away. As wonderful as it is, at some point was a new song and somebody didn't want to hear it.
Speaker 3:Please say that that's really good yeah.
Speaker 2:And so I was like if we really want to go back, we need to go back to reading Psalms.
Speaker 3:Absolutely. It really boils down to and I'll say this just to add to that point it boils down to even when the children of Israel were in the wilderness and God makes the Ark of the Covenant in Aaron's rod, that budded and the table of showbread, they put in all these specific artifacts and it's interesting because God made sure those things were put away because people would have worshiped them.
Speaker 3:And I think we get to this point in our culture where, if we're not careful, we'll worship relics. The Bible says that they moved with the cloud by day and the pillar of fire by night and I do think, like you said, I believe every generation has had a sound, if we're honest. There weren't hymnals, there were Gregorian chants. There was a different era and a different sound. There was a point in time, whether we perceive it or not, that a piano did not even exist in the earth. There was no such thing as a piano. Literally, it was just like there were stringed instruments, there were some horn instruments. That introduced us to a new sound, a new era, and God has no problem with doing new things or approaching it in a new way. And I think, like you said, to that point, just because you changed from maybe being hymnal focused didn't mean you changed from being God focused.
Speaker 3:And there is a way to still honor what's been, but also understand that we have to be willing to let God do something new in a generation. So I love that.
Speaker 1:Absolutely Just to continue to talk about a little bit of culture here. What role does cultural and generational we've talked about it a little bit, but that generational diversity play in worship and you know how do you incorporate different cultural expressions in a service? Let's just talk practically as a worship leader. When you're structuring services and looking at an overall church, what does that look like?
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, yeah. I would say for me personally, because I've had the privilege of being in so many different spectrums of worship and ministry and being a part of churches. Culturally and generationally, I think are two distinct elements, because culture doesn't always honor ethnicity and so I would say there's differences.
Speaker 3:I've gone into churches that were multi-ethnic, not just multicultural, and so when you're in a multi-ethnic church you may have a broader diversity of sound. When I used to live in Denton, texas, I was at a church called the Bridge, and they were very, very diverse in the sense of they had Hispanics, they had blacks, they had whites. So for that particular house we could sing songs in Spanish, we could sing songs in English. We could sing Israel Houghton, we could sing Bethel, we could sing, you know, maybe some Andre Crouch.
Speaker 3:We could introduce certain things that everybody in that sphere particularly was able to experience. Certain cities have a melting pot type of diversity, and so it allows you to start to really pull on things that you wouldn't readily pull on in other environments. The Bible talks about every nation, every tribe and every tongue. So sometimes you'll go to certain churches and they're not every nation, tribe and tongue, they're one nation, one tribe one tongue.
Speaker 3:I don't expect, and I mean we've been to India. India may sing Waymaker, but there are certain songs that can cross the ocean, but they still are very, very deeply rooted in their songs that are traditional to them. I've been to Peru, I've been to Nicaragua and in the same way, there's a lot of things that reign true to their ethnicity. When there's a lot of things that reign true to their ethnicity, when we're thinking of culture, I think of America as a melting pot. You go to some churches.
Speaker 3:You're going to hear like even at Crosspoint, I like to do hymns and I'll sing certain songs and we'll do newer songs. We'll do some Phil Wickham, we do Battle Belongs here, We'll do things like the Blessing or we'll do things like Lion from Elevation, but then we'll pull back into some hymns or we'll pull back into some earlier songs. I think the way that the culture and the generation plays a role in worship is that both have to embrace one another for it to be fully effective. When somebody can reach back and not treat it with disdain, then the whole room can move together. At Crosspoint, something I've loved and seen and experienced is that there's times when we've sung older songs and I saw the kids singing them, and so what that means is that generations are appreciated. They're not pitted against each other.
Speaker 3:Sometimes you'll go into a church and it's like one generation is like we're getting lost here, and then the other one's like well, we're glad y'all are getting lost, let's keep singing this good music.
Speaker 3:As long as the generation and as long as the culture has found a bridge of unity, you'll be able to sing a broader spectrum of music. A lot of times when a church is trying to move into a new era, they'll often mark it with a new sound and they use that sound and I've seen this in ministries intentionally to move out an old sense of residue that is stopping the vision from going forward, and we see this in Scripture. Every battle, every significant sign in Scripture there was a sound that would have preceded Before the Lord comes, the trumpet shall sound. Or before the battle, they sounded the shofar or they would send out praises Jehoshaphat. There's always a marking of an era or a battle or something that is preceded with the sound.
Speaker 3:And so I think that culture and generation plays that role in diversity only when there is an acceptable bridge. A lot of times you don't see that. You'll just see churches saying we're new, we're relevant, we want to reach people who are unchurched and far from God, and that's why I think even the Caleb Awards respectfully is why there's so much notoriety towards them, because they control what's on the radio, like what's played on the radio people are popularly acquainted with, and when people start to get saved, they hear the songs on the radio. So churches think well, if I sing the songs that are on the radio, they'll already know these songs and it'll make it easier for them to acclimate to church. And so I think some people do that, some ministries do that as a strategy as well, but there's always going to be many methods.
Speaker 2:Yeah Well, look man, we've got another. We're getting ready to dive deep, from leading worship to the future of worship. But really, for this first episode with Pastor Cedric, we're going to have Pastor Seth bless you guys and we're going to wrap it up and be ready for the next episode Amen, amen.
Speaker 1:Sorry, my Bible got tied up here.
Speaker 3:You ready.
Speaker 2:Go ahead. Y'all ready to be blessed?
Speaker 1:Let's be blessed Well this is Numbers, chapter 6. It says May the Lord bless you and protect you. May the Lord smile on you and be gracious to you. May the Lord show you his favor and give you peace. Hey, we can't wait to share what Pastor Cedric has on his heart concerning worship in the next episode. Thank you so much for hanging out with us, sharing with a friend, and we'll talk to you soon, later, y'all.
Speaker 2:See you in the next episode.