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How To Understand Your Country Through the Enneagram
Ever wonder if your country has a personality? Enneagram U dives deep!
This episode of Enneagram U explores the fascinating idea of applying the Enneagram to entire cultures! Hosts Damon and Kelly unpack how different countries might embody specific Enneagram types. ✈️
Want to know if your country is a go-getter Achiever (Three) or a stylish Individualist (Four)? Listen in to see if your national personality gets decoded! They even discuss potential types for Sweden, Germany, and Brazil based on their cultural traits.
This episode is perfect for:
- Enneagram enthusiasts curious about cultural applications
- Anyone who loves learning about different countries through a new lens
- Travelers who want to understand the "personality" of a place they're visiting
Tune in to Enneagram U and discover the surprising personality of your nation!
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Welcome to Enneagram U with Damon and Kelly, where we explore the mysteries of human personality and help you learn more about you. Whether you're a skeptic or an enthusiast, together we'll take you on a journey of self-discovery using the ancient wisdom of the Enneagram. This is Enneagram U. Hey everyone, welcome back to Enneagram U. My name is Damon. I'm here with my friend Kelly. Hi Kelly, hey Damon, we are pre-recording another episode.
Speaker 2:We are Overachievers, I know, we are just totally motivated.
Speaker 1:Right, so whatever week you're listening to this on, it doesn't really matter anyway, because you can go back and listen to a podcast anytime you want.
Speaker 2:That's right. Beauty of podcasts. This is the time in the world that we're living.
Speaker 1:I love it and hopefully our stuff is somewhat evergreen. Yes, it is.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so five years down the road, you'll listen to it Right Go, wow, still works.
Speaker 1:Still works and we already shared our feelings in another episode, and so we decided to be authentic and say I don't, I have the same feeling.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the feelings are the, they haven't changed. And you?
Speaker 1:don't know what that is when you're listening, but you don't really care.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so we're going to talk about travel because Kelly recently got back on a trip from France. Yes, I was inspired while I was there because I'd heard I hadn't done a lot of research, but I'd heard people talk about like different countries and their Enneagram number.
Speaker 1:Like the country, there's a strong Enneagram number per country.
Speaker 2:Yes, or like how a country like just is in the world, okay, perceived, perceived. Or even how they kind of act out numbers.
Speaker 1:How a nation acts to the world In an Enneagram. They each have a number, kind of way. Yes, we'll see. We'll put it to the test here. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2:Yes, in traveling to to Paris, I was just like I can totally see France's number played out, isn't it?
Speaker 1:funny how many things people are trying to put the Enneagram on.
Speaker 2:I know, I think it works. It's good, it's fun.
Speaker 1:It's entertaining. I love it.
Speaker 2:Even like TV shows. You'll watch different TV shows and you'll be able to pick out different numbers.
Speaker 1:Okay, not just the characters, the show in its entirety is. I hadn't thought about that. No one's done it.
Speaker 2:That's thinking outside the box there.
Speaker 1:Cause I've been thinking about the characters in the show Yep, you can pick out their numbers. Yep, and I would say networked ABCs is probably this.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, oh, there you go.
Speaker 1:No, I don't know. Netflix is this yeah, peacock, yeah, maybe the three Peacock. Yeah, you're right, now we're stretching.
Speaker 2:I know.
Speaker 1:But you're right. It's funny how it's like there's an Enneagram show for everything. There is Every topic.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I thought, since I traveled and just you know, you get outside your norm and you're with people that you know from all over the world, and so it just made me think about that more. So I thought we would just do this special little one-off on travel and the countries. Let's do it All right. So Enneagram one. Of course, that's the good person.
Speaker 1:So the good country. There's so many countries.
Speaker 2:Yes, Well, the Enneagram for the one, the country most often in my research I found was the UK.
Speaker 1:Really yes, they're good, they're good. They want to be perfect.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, I'm sure they probably think they might be perfect.
Speaker 1:Well, the King of England.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:You know they have to have a king and a queen.
Speaker 2:King and queen.
Speaker 1:Very put together.
Speaker 2:Yes, They've got rules and order. Like, did you ever watch the Crown? Yeah, yeah, I mean and I know it's historical drama, but I mean what the queen had to go through and just all the protocol and tradition and really giving up her life in order for the country, and not just being the queen of England, but also over the church. I mean there's a lot to that, so I would say that would be yeah, the number one. I get that. So yeah, say that would be the number one.
Speaker 2:I get that so yeah, the UK would be the one.
Speaker 1:Okay, two, as the loving person, what would be the loving country, the loving country. I know all our listeners are thinking what I'm thinking, which is maybe they know, I don't know.
Speaker 2:Well, or they're thinking there are no loving countries.
Speaker 1:I can't think of one right now.
Speaker 2:But for the Enneagram the country would be Italy.
Speaker 1:I love it. I'm a little Italian. Yes, yeah, that's good. I love Italy.
Speaker 2:I've never been there, but I love Italian food.
Speaker 1:All right.
Speaker 2:So in the research it was just saying that Italy really has this like maternal side, this like caring, Also the you know idea of, hey, let's just eat. Yeah, I mean, there is something about Italians and family and how important that is Loving and hey, we stick together, yeah.
Speaker 1:To a fault. To a fault Because then it can turn into other things. Yes, like the family. Yes, if you're not in the family. If you're not in you're out, you're out, you're very out, I guess that would be the two going to the eight and you just rid anyone who isn't part of the family. But generally speaking, you're right. Yeah you're right, love and Italy, that goes together.
Speaker 2:Let's feed you. You know, love comes in you know, feeding your belly. Yeah, all the good food Also Feeding your belly. Yeah, all the good food. Also, you know, just the idea that Italians are known to be pretty emotional you know?
Speaker 1:and Okay, Now wait a second. Yeah, Maybe I'm not Italian. Yeah, I am.
Speaker 2:Do you?
Speaker 1:really have some Italian in your family. Yeah, my family is originally from Italy. Okay, I didn't know that, and you're gonna have to tell what you are.
Speaker 2:Oh, I will, I will Okay, yeah, so so the good country or the loving country would be or, I'm sorry, the loving country would be Italy.
Speaker 1:Yep, that makes sense to me.
Speaker 2:All right, the number three this should be pretty obvious. I don't know, I feel like we need to have Bruce Springsteen, born in the USA, playing in the background.
Speaker 1:It's the United States of America.
Speaker 2:It is.
Speaker 1:We are task driven, task driven yeah.
Speaker 2:Show me the money.
Speaker 1:Yes, we're the peacock, we're the best Look at me.
Speaker 2:Competitive Mm-hmm Work, ethic Work work, work, yeah, all that, yeah, I even noticed, when I was in France, the mindset like I brought with me, so I mean you only know what you know and what you've experienced. And so just this idea that, well, everybody you know, most people that I'll interact with, will be able to speak English.
Speaker 1:I mean how?
Speaker 2:how three is that?
Speaker 1:Well, that's, that's American way. English, you know, is the language of money and people do, and it is the language that know.
Speaker 2:Most countries do speak, but yeah in in preparing for the trip. One of the things that you know just in, you know the different things that are recommended, is learning you know some french things, and not just automatically thinking that your people that you interact with, like at restaurants or whatever, automatically going to know english but, I will say that all but two did really did know english that was. I appreciated that yeah, we. We had Google translate ready to go if we needed to.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's cool.
Speaker 2:But yes, but yeah for the three, uh, for the United States, yeah, just that sense of competition and um spinning things to where we come out on top.
Speaker 1:Yep, yeah, all that we're number one. Well, I wouldn't think any other way. Yeah, it's hard for me not to be proud of the United States.
Speaker 2:Yes, I mean, and really honestly, even though there's a lot to be proud of.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and there are some things not to be proud of, but there's just something in me that wants to be proud of it.
Speaker 2:Yes, I don't know.
Speaker 1:Interesting.
Speaker 2:It's our home country.
Speaker 1:Right, of course, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, and even going away, I was really glad to be home.
Speaker 1:You know, not that I didn't feel safe in France, cause I did feel, you know, feel safe, but it was just good to be back home in my normal rhythm and routine, and and I think the United States could use some humility, even if we are strong and have good things. We definitely have a lot of weaknesses as well, but I remember I was on a trip with someone and they hadn't been out of the country before, and when we got to the other country, they're like this is your country, I mean not in a condescending way, but just kind of in a realization that not everything is like the United States.
Speaker 1:Oh, I mean we take a lot for granted, yeah, like just our infrastructure and some of those things that we're just like. Well, yeah, of course we have these great roads.
Speaker 2:Right, Even though we all complain about the roads. Yes, of course we have people that come and get our trash weekly or we have doctors that we can go and see.
Speaker 1:And yeah, yeah, very interesting. Definitely can see the three as a USA, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2:All right, the four.
Speaker 1:The four is the creative.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:And unique.
Speaker 2:Very authentic.
Speaker 1:Where did you just go? Yeah, you're right, it's France. It's France, yeah.
Speaker 2:And I completely agree with this.
Speaker 1:Really.
Speaker 2:I mean the beauty there, the aesthetics, deep beauty. I mean things are really like from the food to the. I mean, of course, the historical museums and everything is just so incredibly beautiful. Yeah, it was quite the four adventure, yeah, interesting. But I wonder too, like this was one of the thoughts I had so like going to the Louvre where, like, let's say, for example, where the Mona Lisa is, so picture this, so you've got this beautiful, I mean beautiful building, beautiful artwork, and they have the Mona Lisa, like in the center of this room, and it's like there's the barricades to where people can't get too close, of course, because people have come in like thrown paint or whatever but really I'm thinking it's just like this place for many people, not for a four.
Speaker 2:I think a four would be like I'll just go to another part of the Louvre and not mess with the Mona Lisa, because really it's about oh, give me a selfie in front of the Mona Lisa, so it's like the different numbers and how they interact with art too, and the Mona Lisa, that space really, it wasn't like dangling in the presence of beauty moment. It was like everybody's like heard it in and heard it out and yeah, so it was interesting.
Speaker 2:but yeah, definitely say france has the uh four well, tell me again what are some other things.
Speaker 1:So the french people then? Have this and what are some other things about the four that we've learned? That would apply to that culture? If that's not, yeah, well no, I think definitely the creativity, the beauty.
Speaker 2:Uh, you know as, uh, you know, when the french revolution happened. Basically, the palaces of these aristocrats were given to the country and now they are these beautiful museums. So they value art so much that they have made these palaces museums now.
Speaker 1:And everybody there. There's a lot of unique people there.
Speaker 2:I'm sure, yes, yes, artists flock there. Yes, artists, people there. Yes, I'm sure yes, artists flock there. Yes, artists flock there. We went to a place where you know a part of the city where, like artists have historically been, you know that's kind of their village and there was, you know, literally the accordion player doing the French music that you would think, with a cat on his shoulder.
Speaker 1:No, it was not a cat on his shoulder.
Speaker 2:It was, it was, and you know, one of the things, the highlight for me of the trip.
Speaker 1:Oh no, you can't get over this. I hit my head. I was like that seems so stereotypical. And so you really saw an accordion and a guy with a cat on his shoulder. Yes, yes, Tell me, he had a beret.
Speaker 2:Oh, a beret. Oh, I don't think he had a beret. I'll have to look back at the picture that I took, but he's just. You know, they're on the steps of the soccer core who is a, which is a beautiful cathedral. Uh, with his little you know can, out in the front for tips. He's just out there, he's just buskering. Yeah, buskering.
Speaker 1:That's awesome. Um so the cat on his shoulder. Cat on the shoulders, Anyone. Have a cat that can stay on your shoulder?
Speaker 2:I don't know of any cats in the United States.
Speaker 1:But you know what it feels like is that France is the polar opposite of the United States.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, well, and I think even for me the highlight of the trip, there is a cathedral in Saint-Chapelle that is a very old cathedral that's connected to this palace and they have restored the stained glass. That is just, if you can imagine. It's just like all the walls are all stained glass, basically, and it's scripture. So it starts with Genesis comes around to the back of the cathedral, or the chapel has a circular stained glass that represents John and just what John saw in Revelation.
Speaker 2:And anyway, beautiful, beautiful chapel, and so my daughter and I got tickets to see a concert there, and so it was a Sunday evening concert. So they just put chairs in this chapel area and it was a quartet that played Vivaldi's Four Seasons, and it was just-.
Speaker 1:Was it emotional?
Speaker 2:Emotional, beautiful. Oh it was. I felt like there has to be probably glimpses of this in heaven.
Speaker 1:Like how beautiful that's a big statement.
Speaker 2:It was Okay, wow, and even the musicians, like the first violinist, didn't even use a piece of music. And so all the rest were like behind their music stands and he would just come out and you know, just stand on the stage and, like my daughter said, it was like his whole body was the instrument.
Speaker 1:Wow.
Speaker 2:Because he was just like one with the violin. It was unbelievable.
Speaker 1:Everyone's going to want to go to France now. Yes, go to France.
Speaker 2:Don't miss St Chappelle. Okay, try to see a concert there if you can. Yeah, we were on the second row because we thought it was an hour earlier.
Speaker 1:The concert was an hour earlier.
Speaker 2:The concert was an hour earlier than it was and they recommended getting there an hour early to stand in line.
Speaker 1:So we were, you got, you got there, you did, so we were the second second people second group that's cool line.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no bruce springsteen there, but no yeah that would be, the windows would be blown out anyway. So I could go on and on about my experience with the four uh country of france, so it was beautiful and and the food amazing. Oh yeah, cobblestone streets, buildings, beautiful, I mean. Yeah, on and on, go to Paris if you want to see the four yeah. All right, moving on to the five. So the wise person, if Walt, who was our guest last week, was a country, what country would he be?
Speaker 1:Yeah, what was a country.
Speaker 2:This is impossible.
Speaker 1:There's so many countries to pick from. Yeah, what was the country? This is impossible. There's so many countries to pick from.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't know, it's Sweden. Yeah, sweden yeah. So they say for Sweden. Some of the research says Sweden likes their privacy. So they just kind of like to step back. And yet they really do value, like learning and travel. So yeah, they would say Sweden is the five.
Speaker 1:I don't have a lot to say about Sweden. I don't know much about Sweden, honestly, I'm sorry to say.
Speaker 2:And maybe we would say that would be true of a five like, because they're just kind of pulled back and not out in the front. Okay, okay, the six Are we ready to move on to? The six Is Germany.
Speaker 1:Loyal, yes, loyal, yes, yes, yeah, well, historically, yeah, very loyal.
Speaker 2:Well, to a fault right. Right, right, but they have been known as the six because they have a reliance on rules and processes and they really do attach to authority figures in order to feel safe which is what six does a lot of time for security. Now sixes are where my ancestors come from, from both sides of the family.
Speaker 1:Both mom and dad.
Speaker 2:Even my maiden name was Klein, with a K, k-l-e-i-n, which means small, so my people are pretty small, pretty short.
Speaker 1:Really yeah, both sides of your family.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Wow.
Speaker 2:Both sides. We do have a little tad of Irish and French, but just very, very small.
Speaker 1:All the rest, our ancestors would have probably hated each other.
Speaker 2:They would have been at war At times. Not Italy, though In World War II, Italy and Germany were buds yeah.
Speaker 1:Maybe that's how come we can coexist, I don't know.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Those were dark times.
Speaker 2:Let's not go there For sure, but that makes sense. I think that makes sense to everybody. Make sense to everybody probably.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we have a mutual friend that travels to germany a lot? Yes, we do.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it'd be interesting to have him ask him what he thinks, yeah, about that.
Speaker 1:If he uh gets a sense of that while he's there he actually feels a little bit like a six to me, but I'm not sure. Yeah, I wonder what he he kind of clicks. He kind of clicks with germany, I think.
Speaker 2:Yes, I don't know, we'll see yeah, that's, yeah, that's a good question. We'll have to ask him he He'll be like what are you talking?
Speaker 1:about.
Speaker 2:We're like hey on the long flight. Listen to our podcast. That's one thing my daughter and I talked about. We were like he flies over there I don't know, a few times a year. I mean, oh yeah, more than that.
Speaker 1:I mean many times.
Speaker 2:Those are long flights.
Speaker 1:And he is there then weeks like several weeks at a time and then back.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it's. I believe it's an agricultural right kind of a job yeah, for sure, all right, the seven.
Speaker 2:So the party country um.
Speaker 1:Is it somewhere south?
Speaker 2:it is, it is yes uh. Mexico, well, a little more south Brazil.
Speaker 1:Okay, brazil, all right.
Speaker 2:So if you think about how upbeat and positive they are, high energy party all the time.
Speaker 1:Like.
Speaker 2:I don't know, I think of I don't know, just like Rio de Janeiro and just the fireworks and the party. And I think of a friend of mine that I know, who's from Brazil, she used to work at VU and she's a seven, and I think of a friend of mine, that I know who's from Brazil. She used to work at VU and she's a seven and I think, like when I think of a seven and think of her and think of Brazil.
Speaker 1:I'm like of course it all goes together. Oh, it all makes sense Okay.
Speaker 2:The party never stops.
Speaker 1:Wow, now everyone wanted to go to France, but they've changed their mind and they're going to Brazil.
Speaker 2:Yes, well, if you want to go to party land, go to.
Speaker 1:Brazil.
Speaker 2:Yes, I've never been to Brazil.
Speaker 1:I would. I actually would like to go. I don't know how they feel about the United States these days, or American people.
Speaker 2:I have no idea.
Speaker 1:I would want to know that, how safe it is how not safe it is.
Speaker 2:I mean, that is one of the things we have to think about now. Never used to have to think about that stuff.
Speaker 1:But now you kind of do, I still would love to see South.
Speaker 2:America, yeah, yeah, all right, moving on to the eight. It pains me, this is you.
Speaker 1:This is me. This is your people, this is me If I was a country if you're a country, what are you?
Speaker 2:I would be Russia. I did not want to put this down Like in research. I was like, oh, I get it though.
Speaker 1:The unhealthy state Is that like sometimes you discover your number and you don't like your number. You discovered your country and you don't like your country.
Speaker 2:I guess, so You're Russian. Yes, okay, peyton, but you can see my way, or the highway.
Speaker 1:I mean conquering other countries. It's good You're Russian.
Speaker 2:Don't want to be vulnerable. Yeah, I can definitely see that unhealthy my way or the highway.
Speaker 1:What's your favorite alcoholic beverage? Is it vodka? It is not All right, listeners. Now we know what to get Kelly. She's hiding under her desk yes, vodka.
Speaker 2:Yes, all right, last number, of course, your number nine Number nine. It's got to be a great place is Canada. I don't want to be Canada. Well, it's better than Russia.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I would have to say it's better, better than Russia.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Canada feels somewhat vanilla to me. I don't know if that's the right word and that probably describes my life. Know if that's the right word and that probably describes my life generally.
Speaker 2:The dark side of being a nine is that you're just too blah.
Speaker 1:Hi welcome to canada. I think that was a line from the old movie wayne's world. Hi welcome to delaware. Um, anyway, oh yeah, canada has some great things definitely peace oriented generally. Yeah, well, when I think of canada, I try to stay away from everything except for like, uh, what I would say, like just the um, the scenery is amazing and probably someplace I would like to see would be, uh like western canada, the mountain ranges and stuff are insane yeah a little.
Speaker 1:You know I wouldn't want to stay there, I would die but it'd be good to see.
Speaker 2:Well, and you think about like even Canada has a little bit of some of the other countries mixed in, like I think about Quebec and some of the French speaking parts of the country and like there's just a bit of probably all the numbers represented, maybe not all the languages, but yeah there's a little bit of everything.
Speaker 1:It's so different. You run to Canada. You need to get away.
Speaker 2:They've got socialized medicine. So you're already going to be able to be taken care of at some point. I do think of a funny story, and I've heard this from two different people that have gone on cruises but have said that because of their past history of getting DWIs in their younger years that they have not been allowed in Canada, even though that is expunged off their record here in the United States. So it's like they have this high value, for we're keeping ourself safe safe and secure.
Speaker 2:And I also think about like during COVID, like they were the country that were locked down, like people could not come and go, like even, you know, when other countries were a little bit more open. I have a friend who lives in Canada and he was saying like if he were to come into the United States that he would have to go back and be like quarantined in a certain place for 14 days.
Speaker 1:I do not want to be Canada. Yes, well, I don't. That's why I'm not a nine I think this is so which one of these other countries do you want to be?
Speaker 2:I don't know you want to be Brazil. I think it's Brazil. Possibly Today I'm leaning towards Brazil.
Speaker 1:I'm leaning towards the USA. You would get so tired, though, but I'm going home.
Speaker 2:I just don't want to visit Russia. I'm sure there's good things in the history of Russia. Oh, I'm sure there is.
Speaker 1:I mean yeah Right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'll have to ask my daughter. She's fluent in Russian. She is yes, you didn't know this. Oh no, she took Russian in college she spent a whole summer in a critical language studies program in the in the republic of georgia where they had to sign off that they would not speak english. So she was there. It was a state department at the time. The state department did, uh, this program for college students. It was called cls critical learning, uh studies. I think, um, and you would go.
Speaker 1:They went for the whole summer and well, I do remember her going yes, but I didn't know she couldn't speak English and I didn't know she knew Russian. Yes, oh my goodness. I'm going to have to ask her to speak Russian to me.
Speaker 2:And that, wow, it was funny on the trip, Uh there were on the the uh train ride to the airport, on the way coming back, um, cause you're around people that are speaking all kinds of languages. I didn't even know. And so we get to the airport and she said, yeah, those two women that were talking, they were speaking Russian. I was like what'd they say? She can be a spy, because I'm sure they're thinking nobody's going to speak Russian, we can just say whatever we want.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, but she was a little spy there.
Speaker 2:That's cool. She's got the gift of eavesdropping. We've always said that is crazy, anyway, yeah, so at least my daughter she was drawn to Russian because I guess her mom is a Russian country. So yeah, even though you're German yes, german ancestry.
Speaker 1:Yeah, anyway, interesting.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so yeah, if you're ever, if you've ever, wondered about different countries. These are just from some of the research I've done. Now I know there's other thoughts out there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's fun. Well, I wonder what our listeners think. I wonder if they think they should be in that country, if that's who they are if they want to go there.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, I can't say this and you're obviously saying you're not interested in Canada but I wonder if some of the other numbers are like oh my, like our one listeners. If they're like oh my gosh, I've always wanted to go to england.
Speaker 1:Now you know why because you're one, right, or italy because you're two. Yeah, I like that usa.
Speaker 2:You want, you know, here we are we're number one, yeah, even though we're number three, yeah, well, yeah all right, that was very good that's really good.
Speaker 1:I cannot believe you are russia and I cannot believe I am canada, and I have no idea how we can be on this podcast together.
Speaker 2:I know I don't think Russia and Canada like each other. Maybe we need to help them. Maybe we need to help Russia, if only.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this is how you get along.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:A treaty with Canada.
Speaker 2:That's our foreign policy.
Speaker 1:There you go. Well, thanks everyone for listening. I hope you find yourself traveling somewhere this coming summer, and that now you know if you go to one of those countries, what number it's going to be, that's right. All right, thanks for joining us. Bye Kelly, bye Damon.