Beyond Your Number
You're more than just a personality. Beyond Your Number is a conversational Enneagram podcast where Damon and Kelly dig into what makes people tick, and what to do with what you find.
We cover all 9 types, wings, subtypes, and motivations, and how they play out in real relationships, real teams, and real life. No jargon, no fluff.
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Beyond Your Number
The Best Enneagram Resources
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We're serving up a treasure trove of Enneagram resources tailored for the curious minds of Type Fives (and anyone else keen on personal growth).
From the beginner-friendly "The Enneagram Made Easy" and "The Enneagram Made Simple" to the spiritually enriching "The Wisdom of the Enneagram" and "The Enneagram and Spiritual Formation," there's something for everyone. Parents, you're not left out either; "The Enneagram of Parenting" offers valuable insights to better understand your children's unique personalities. Join us for a blend of personal anecdotes, book recommendations, and practical advice that'll have you not just learning about the Enneagram but living it.
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Self-Discovery
Speaker 1Welcome to Enneagram U with Damon and Kelly , where we explore the mysteries of human personality and help you learn more about you . Whether you're a skeptic or an enthusiast , together we'll take you on a journey of self-discovery using the ancient wisdom of the Enneagram . This is Enneagram U . Hey everyone , welcome to Enneagram U . My name is Damon . I'm here with my friend Kelly . Hi U . Hey everyone . Welcome to Enneagram U . My name is Damon . I'm here with my friend Kelly . Hi Kelly , hey Damon . Here's how I'm feeling today .
Speaker 2I'm jumping right in Okay jump in .
Speaker 1I'm feeling relieved and refreshed . Okay , and here's why .
Speaker 2Yeah .
Speaker 1I got a shot in my shoulder . Woo-hoo , have we talked about my shoulder , probably the the last three episodes you were having some struggle . Couldn't even lift it , no , and went to the doctor and , yes , my rotator cuff is torn , not completely , I think I'm kind of a wimp , but anyway he didn't say that .
Speaker 2I still think if it's torn at all , it's torn and it's painful .
Speaker 1Well , I can only lift my hand up like a few inches , and now , ta-da , all the way over my head without any problems . It's a miracle it really it took the swelling down and now I can actually do the therapy .
Speaker 2Thank God . We live in a day and age where just a shot Can you imagine , like our grandparents , great grandparents , like they .
Speaker 1just I don't know what they would have done with this .
Speaker 2I thought about it actually .
Speaker 1My other shoulder was bad as well . And I hurt it like last fall . This is just too much information , but it took six months for me to get over that to where it doesn't hurt .
Speaker 2And to know , like , what therapies to use .
Speaker 1Yeah , and this took one day . Well , it's still hurt . I just have to remember that I still have to do the PT and all of that and and of course some people know I'm married to a PT and I did not listen to her , and so I never did the therapy ahead of time like I should have , and she pretty much just looked at me , like I told you .
Speaker 2So I was going to ask if there was that maybe subtle . You know she loves you so much she wouldn't be like I told you so no it wasn't very subtle . It was just kind of like yeah .
Speaker 1I said here's the exercises they gave me . She's like they're the same ones I gave you hey .
Speaker 2I remember being a counselor , you know , hey , I remember being a counselor for a number of years and especially in working with teenagers . I would bring the parents in at the end of the session , or whoever had brought the teenager , and not breaking confidentiality , but just saying here's some things that we're working on , and so often the parents would be like I've told them that for the last , you know .
Speaker 1And I'm like well , it sometimes has to come from someone else . Yeah , and I see you're equating me with a teenager .
Speaker 2Yes , well , I mean .
Speaker 1Deserved , deserved . Yeah , it's a good example .
Speaker 2Well , it's not always easy to do those exercises .
Speaker 1Yes , so last year I was on to physical fitness and I was doing well and then I got hurt . Blah , blah , blah .
Speaker 2Yes .
Speaker 1All right , so today got up really early , okay .
Speaker 2Did my therapy first . Yes .
Speaker 1Took my walk and then I'm going to do that for like a week or a little longer and see how my shoulder's doing before I actually start other exercises .
Speaker 2So that's my strategy . So this is a good start of a routine .
Speaker 1Well , I feel so much better . Yeah , you know , like before , I'm just like I'm working around this pain instead of and , and I'm not advocating that everybody goes and gets a shot , but let me tell you , I don't know what I waited for other than it's expensive , yeah , other than it costs money . You know , it was like , okay , this is , this is helpful .
Speaker 2So I have to ask was the shot painful ? Like when they okay , I mean yeah , I mean it wasn't like oh , this isn't a big deal , but Definitely burned , you know , but it was .
Speaker 1It was strangely enough for my shoulder and all the medical people will be like duh , but it was in my back that he gave it in my the back of my shoulder okay right and my wife said , well , that was right into the joint that he gave that shot , but I'm like it feels , feels fabulous it was worth it . It felt heavy at first and now yeah now just yeah , then that's nice .
Speaker 1Takes a pretty strong motion to make it hurt now okay , incorrect motion to make it hurt now An incorrect motion to make it hurt now , and sometimes I forget and go okay , yeah , that still hurts , so I got to be careful .
Speaker 2Yeah Well , congratulations .
Speaker 1I'm feeling good about that , feeling relieved .
Speaker 2Because I mean , you just don't realize how much that pain wears you out and then not being able to use both arms or lift things , or , like you said , you know then the pain of hurting it and not even realizing . You know it's like you said . You know , then , the pain of hurting it and not even realizing .
Speaker 1You know it's like you don't realize that that's going to create so much pain that you just want to cry yeah , well , yeah , and I was sitting at my desk last week and I was like look at my mouse and go oh , that's a long ways away when you're uh looking at the mouse going , I just feel like that's going to cause pain yeah , I'm like , okay , I can do this , okay , I can do this , it's over there .
Speaker 2It'd be so much more productive at work since you're using both hands . Right , Exactly . How are you feeling today ? I'm kind of run down . I feel run down . I think allergy season . There's so much pollen and the little white things in the air my mom always calls it cotton blowing . I don't know if it's actually cotton , but I don't know what it is . But yeah , today just feel run down .
Speaker 1Just tired yeah .
Speaker 2Can you hear the cicadas ? Oh , my goodness , it is like we live in a horror movie . I mean , the other day we were sitting out on the screen and porch and it was like early afternoon and so they were , you know you could hear them a little bit , but as the afternoon went on they got louder and louder . My daughter says , as it gets hotter they get louder .
Speaker 1Is that right ?
Speaker 2And so we were just enjoying being out on the porch and then we were watching a show on TV and my husband keeps turning up the volume . It was like this is crazy . And then today I was walking into the office and this brave soul , this sweet girl that was walking in behind me , was like oh , hold on just a second . And I guess there was one that had attached to my backpack . And she just like bravely picks it up and just throws it out the door and the whole time it's like the screeching . I'm like eee .
Speaker 1Wow .
Speaker 2These are just disgusting . And now , as I left the office to come to record , much louder than I've even heard this weekend , so loud and almost like flying at you .
Speaker 1I had one fly at me as I was getting to my car . Well , and you guys have trees all around your house pretty tight , yes , so they're right over your head .
Speaker 2Well , and someone was telling me today of course you know all these cicada facts that are coming out that the cicada that came to that tree several years ago will come back to the tree that it went to all I don't know if you've seen any houses that have their trees covered like young trees covered .
Speaker 1No .
Speaker 2So in our neighborhood there's trees that have this plastic wrap over them . I guess the idea is , if you cover them , they won't come to that tree ever . I don't know .
Speaker 1That seems like a lot of work but I don't know , and so we can blame them for your allergies .
Speaker 2I don't know . They're stirring it up .
Speaker 1They are stirring up something Millions of them .
Speaker 2Yes , so many .
Speaker 1So anyway , wow , sorry , you're not feeling 100% .
Speaker 2Call it an early evening .
Speaker 1But for those of you who don't know , kelly at 50% is pretty much more than most of us at 100 . So we don't have anything to worry about .
Speaker 2Well , and it's weird when you , when I don't feel like the best .
Speaker 1Then I have this thing in my mind like , okay , but do I keep pushing through , or do I need to stay home and rest ?
Speaker 2And so oh , let me help you with that .
Speaker 1Yeah , we'll sign off right now . All right , let's , we'll finish this quick so you can get home .
Speaker 2Oh , no , well , as we're talking about the five this month , this is our last week with the five , our wise person . It's been a fun month . It's been good looking at just the different ways that fives relate , knowing that they need relationships but also that they're more introverted , so it pushes them out of their comfort zones . It was so great having Walt on and I loved him sharing his Enneagram jingle . I think that he called it .
Speaker 1That was great .
Speaker 2Matter of fact , I talked with him today and he's , I think , going to work on pulling those other ones out and just seeing like , hey , is there any work that needs to be done ? And then maybe we can share those .
Speaker 1Yeah , no that'd be great . I liked the other numbers too . I liked also the country episode as well . I know , I know it was to . I'm trying to wrap my arms around that . Yeah , okay , it's fine , it's fine .
Speaker 2Well , russia isn't , I mean .
Speaker 1But at least mine .
Speaker 2I just have to remember , like when I'm in that negative , unhealthy state like don't be Russia , Kelly don't be Russia .
Speaker 1I'm going to get you a shirt that says . T-shirt says I'm Russia , don't mess with me . Again , it can be part of our t-shirt line with me Again .
Speaker 2It can be part of our t-shirt line , oh yes , that's right . Yeah .
Speaker 1Yep , yep , some money to be made there and I'm not making it . Yeah , well , anyway , let's move on .
Enneagram Resources for Personal Growth
Speaker 2I thought , in just kind of wrapping up our month because we've got an extra Wednesday in our month of May as we look at the fives that since fives love resources , I thought that I might share some of my favorite resources .
Speaker 1Enneagram resources . Enneagram resources , enneagram resources or other resources .
Speaker 2Do you have any other like ? Do you have any needs ? David ? That I could give you a resource . For .
Speaker 1Many , many . Yeah , as a counselor that's what you do sometimes resource people .
Speaker 2For a lot of years , just well . And the thing was is you know back in the day books ? And the thing was is you know back in the day books you know before , like podcasts , before even you know being able to access a lot online and I would recommend books to people or I would say , hey , you could borrow my copy of this book , and I wonder how many books are out there that I never got back .
Speaker 1But probably a lot Very very many . That's because you help so many people , yeah that's all right . So if you have one of Kelly's books , what she's saying is it's time for Russia will come for you .
Speaker 2We shouldn't joke about that , but anyway , yeah , I thought I would share my favorite books , some of my favorite websites , uh , some of our uh favorite quizzes or tests that you can take on the Enneagram .
Speaker 1All right , you know I'm going to be writing all these down . Yes , Well .
Speaker 2I'm sure you've read some of these Probably .
Speaker 1Probably have them memorized , of course .
Speaker 2Well for books .
Speaker 1Okay .
Speaker 2One of my favorite books . It's just a great entry point for the Enneagram . It's a book by Elizabeth Wagle I hope I'm saying her last name right , but it's called the Enneagram Made Easy .
Speaker 1Maybe that is the one I need .
Speaker 2Yeah , it's really , really fun and it has . I think it's great for all the numbers you know , because there's some numbers on the Enneagram that are just like I don't want to read a book on the Enneagram Now . Fives are going to be like , give me all the books . I want to read them all . But Elizabeth's book on the Enneagram made easy . She has quizzes at the beginning of each chapter .
Speaker 1She's got little cartoons in each of the chapters .
Speaker 2She's got it broken out so it doesn't read like just a normal book , like it's this Enneagram number as a child or in relationships or how they might be at work . So it covers a lot of different aspects .
Speaker 1That's kind of cool , yeah , and it has pictures .
Speaker 2It has pictures , you know , and just more interactive .
Speaker 1Yeah , I was going to say it's the Enneagram for Dummies . Wow , is there an enneagram ? Maybe ? I haven't seen one yet . I'm going to look that up . Right now you just chat away .
Speaker 2Yeah , I'm sure there probably is .
Speaker 1We need to do that .
Speaker 2There's a dummies book for everything , don't you ?
Speaker 1think yes , are they still ?
Speaker 2popular . Do they still write those ?
Speaker 1There's one right behind me , see it .
Speaker 2Podcasting for dummies .
Speaker 1Podcasting for dummies , but we're borrowing this set , so it's for another podcast , because that's their set behind us . That's right . We won't speak of what show that is , but it might have to do with sports .
Speaker 2And those guys aren't dummies ?
Speaker 1Well , I don't know it says right there .
Speaker 2Have they read the book I ?
Speaker 1don't know . It says right there have they read the book ? I don't know , no , I've never . Well , actually , I've seen him pick it up and come through it , yeah , and then throw it back there yeah , just to make it part of the set , I'm sure someone , a fan , gave that to them .
Speaker 2I don't know that a fan has ever sent us anything have they Okay , fans , yeah , look , that was a fan gift one time , or maybe that was a . Was it really a gift , or was it saying guys , like you need to up the game Totally that .
Speaker 2Yeah Well , one thing I like about Elizabeth's book as well , with the pictures that she does in the cartoons she'll do like between chapters , even like how the Enneagram numbers would be like at a dinner party . So she'll have each of the people you know , each of the numbers , sitting around a dinner table and , like you know , at the dinner party you know the seven's like , hey , even though this party's ending , I'm going to go to another gathering , like the party doesn't have to end .
Speaker 2And the five's like how much longer are we going to be , here the one's like well , I would have done this different to make this more of a perfect dinner party . That's pretty cool , I like that it is a really fun one . So Enneagram Made Easy .
Speaker 1Elizabeth Wagle . I'm not going to borrow it from you , though , because you won't get it back . No , and I'll never read it . You'll have to buy it . Yeah , you'll have to buy it yourself .
Speaker 2Yeah , for those that are just kind of getting into the Enneagram , enneagram Made Simple .
Speaker 1Wait , we just said that .
Speaker 2Well , that's Enneagram Made Easy .
Speaker 1Okay .
Speaker 2I know , but this is by Ashton Whitmore Ober , all right . And so the thing I like about the Enneagram Made Simple is that the author really just looks at breaking down the numbers and going more into like a deeper dive of like the wings and the arrows and the subtypes , and so I think Enneagram Made Easy would be a great stepping stone first step in , and then the Enneagram Made Simple .
Speaker 1It sounds like simple , isn't simple , though .
Speaker 2Well . I think , the way she breaks it down , though , makes it very user friendly . Yep , yeah , then another one . I think that would be just even going a step deeper . Is the Road Back to you ?
Speaker 1Have you read this one ? No , yes .
Speaker 2Okay , you didn't like it Changed my life .
Speaker 1Okay , that's all I'm going to say about that .
Speaker 2And yet your expression makes it sound like it was the worst book ever . It was . I hated that book , so much .
Speaker 1Okay , so I've told this story , but you'd ? Have to go back to a way last year episode to hear it . But that is how I discovered that I probably was a nine and I was driving back from Texas and I was listening to that book and it got there and I just about wrecked .
Speaker 2Literally it wrecked him internally and almost externally .
Speaker 1Yeah , I wanted to be something cool like an eight or like a three or a seven or anything but a nine , but you're all of them . I know , I guess .
Speaker 2Yes .
Speaker 1Anyway , yeah , yeah , but the Road Back to .
Speaker 2You . It really is , and it just goes through each of the numbers and I think , if you're really wondering what your number is or wanting more information on your number , the Road Back to you is a really great resource and , like you said , audiobooks are really helpful . So if you've got a road trip planned , pick out one of these .
Speaker 1Road Back to you .
Speaker 2Road Back to you .
Speaker 1And who is the author ?
Speaker 2It is Ian Crone .
Speaker 1Yep , he's the famous guy , and Suzanne Stabile .
Speaker 2Yeah , and Ian Crone also has a podcast . I think it's called Typology .
Speaker 1I think you are correct .
Speaker 2Yeah , a podcast .
Speaker 1I think it's called Typology .
Speaker 2I think you are correct yeah , and so , yeah , he doesn't compete with us .
Speaker 1He doesn't . So you know , not like we're going to promote a lot of podcasts , but he does have one that's been around for a little while . It's pretty good . Some people listen to it .
Speaker 2He's got some famous people . Yeah , but we , you know , we've got our own famous people .
Speaker 1We bring them in all the time we do .
Speaker 2We bring them in .
Speaker 1They're all famous now .
Speaker 2Yes , but a sister to that book is by Suzanne Stabile , called the Path Between Us .
Speaker 1Okay .
Speaker 2And so it is one that has been a great resource for me as I've done work and just preparing for , like our relationship series this year . So it really looks at how do the Enneagram numbers really work together in relationships , like you know , personal relationships , work relationships , like if you are on teams and you've got different numbers on the teams , like okay , what do I need to know about these different numbers , just to be able to help . She also goes into you know some of the strengths and the challenge areas for the different numbers , like with the arrows and the wings . You know , as well as just knowing too , in relationships , what do you need to know if you're that number , and then also what do you need to know if you're interacting with that number , which I think is really helpful .
Speaker 1So how do ?
Speaker 2we build this path between us .
Speaker 1Sounds like a great workplace book .
Speaker 2Yes , great great workplace and relationship , because I know we've shared , like even you know , in personal relationships , whether it's with friends or spouses , that it's really been helpful for people to know what the different numbers are , just to help in their relationships . Definitely that place where different can feel wrong you know , because I think opposites attract and then opposites attract at first , and then it's like yeah , we're nothing alike .
Speaker 1You do this wrong . Yeah ,
Exploring Enneagram Books and Resources
Speaker 1awesome .
Speaker 2A deeper end of the pool book . That I would say . If you're really wanting some of that deep dive into the history of the Enneagram just a deep dive into the numbers is a book called the Wisdom of the Enneagram by Don Rizzo .
Speaker 1All right .
Speaker 2And this is one . Now , Don Rizzo is writing from a Christian perspective , so it has that spirituality piece in it as well . But it is a fabulous book just on the depth of the Enneagram . So if you've been around the Enneagram for a while and you're like , yeah , I'd just like to go a deeper dive the Wisdom of the Enneagram for a while , and you're like , yeah , I'd just like to go a deeper dive , the wisdom of the Enneagram would definitely be for you .
Speaker 1Okay , there's another one that's got kind of a spiritual slant to it . That might not be on your list . I think I have it .
Speaker 2Yeah , is it the Enneagram and Spiritual Formation by AJ Sherrill ?
Speaker 1Yes .
Speaker 2Yes , that's another great one , especially if you're really looking at the Enneagram and wanting to grow like in your relationship with God . That's a great one too . We reference that a lot when it comes to a relationship with God .
Speaker 1Notice how I had to ask you what I had .
Speaker 2Well , you've got so many books that you're reading right now . The shelf is full .
Speaker 1There's two , three , two or three books .
Speaker 2It's overwhelming , but that is one that you have engaged with . You've read that one I have .
Speaker 1I've read parts of that one . Parts of it , yes .
Speaker 2Well , and I really like and I'm glad you mentioned that one he takes this illustration of a tree and talks about how , like our roots , of all of our personality is rooted in the fact that we are rooted in Christ , or that our identity is in Christ , and then , from that place being rooted in God , that then from that we grow , and then our personality is kind of like the trunk of the tree and then the fruit , uh , you know , of our life becomes like the apples .
Speaker 1So , uh , you know , or whatever the fruit is , but I should read that sometime .
Speaker 2It's in the front of the book . I'll give you that .
Speaker 1Definitely skipped past . I'm kind of a skimmer , yes .
Speaker 2Let me look at the table of contents . What ?
Speaker 1do I need ?
Speaker 2Let me just go here , yeah yeah , but that's a really great resource as well . Cool . And then the last book that I will share , because I know several of our listeners are parents and a question that I get quite often is there a book that helps us with our kids' personality ? And so what I would say is that there is a book called the Enneagram of Parenting .
Speaker 1Cool .
Speaker 2Also by Elizabeth Wagle . So this is also a fun interactive book and so it helps us . It gives quizzes at the beginning of each chapter , things to do to help our children , like if we are sensing that they might be a one . Okay , so how , as a parent , will it help my child ? Just in my parenting of this child ?
Speaker 2Now , what I would say with parenting in the Enneagram is that we don't ever want to label our kids . We want it to be something that they're exploring for themselves . But sometimes it's just really obvious what our kids' numbers are . Sometimes not , but I'd say for my daughter , looking back , if I would have known about the Enneagram from birth , definitely a nine , definitely a nine . And so even it was funny when I was reading this book years ago and I got to the section on the nine , it was like had a cartoon and it said , like you might be raising a nine if , like , their favorite thing to do is to be out in a hammock reading a book . Literally , she was out in her hammock reading a book . It was just like it was a moment that I thought this is uncanny . So anyway , but the thing for us as parents is not pushing our kids into what we think their personality is , but more so . There's just some indicators they give us , and so it gives some really good strategies .
Speaker 1So I wonder if it's kind of healthy to just you might know , they may not know what you're talking about , Maybe not really go there with them on this because it's like , like you said , they need to discover this and there's probably an age that it's better if they're a little older to start having that conversation .
Speaker 2Well , and I know , with my two kids . So when I did my very first certification class in Chicago , I would say my daughter was probably 10 . Yeah , 10 or 11 . She was really interested in the Enneagram . So we would have these conversations about , well , here's what it is , here's what the numbers mean , not saying , oh , you're a nine , because at that time too I thought I could see her as a nine or a five , you know just , and my son really didn't have any interest in it at all .
Speaker 1Which means he's a seven yeah .
Speaker 2But then when he had interest , it was actually in the summer of 2020 . So he had just graduated high school and I was doing another class . But because it was 2020 , we were watching through Zoom so he could kind of hear some of what was going on , and so that kind of intrigued him . So he took an Enneagram assessment online and then just read , you know all the different information that came back and he was like oh , I am such a seven .
Speaker 1Yeah .
Speaker 2And I thought he was a seven , but yet also he's a kid . He was , you know , just this jovial boy growing up , but it's like , but also he's a kid . So probably all kids you know reflect some seven .
Speaker 1Yeah , well , your daughter wanted to learn about it because you were into it . Yes , so that may happen naturally with parents if they're very excited about something .
Speaker 2Yes .
Speaker 1Kids are going to wonder what mom and dad are excited about .
Speaker 2Right , right , yeah , but just letting them know like , hey , this is something that you can discover as you're growing up , so yeah , so those would be some books that I would highly recommend Enneagram Made Easy , enneagram Made Simple , the Road Back to you . Yes .
Speaker 1Yeah , the Path Between Us , the Wisdom of the Enneagram , the Enneagram of Parenting .
Speaker 2That's right .
Speaker 1That's all of them , and there's one more . Okay , enneagram for Dummies .
Speaker 2All right , there's one out there . There it is . Let me just show you . Oh , it's got the little Enneagram on the front .
Speaker 1Yeah , See it's real . Okay , there's a dummies book for everything .
Speaker 2Yeah , there is .
Speaker 1Now you're going to want to read that to see what's in there . I don't know how they compile those books , but you know they took all the books that you just mentioned and summarized them all and threw them in .
Speaker 2Yeah , I haven't heard of that author , but again there's . There's so many people that write on the Enneagram and one thing I know we've shared , maybe once before , that I find so intriguing , as we're talking about resources is that the very first Enneagram book was written in 1980 .
Speaker 1Oh , that feels like not very long ago , but I'm also aged .
Speaker 2Well , but the Enneagram as we know it has really been around since the 1920s and yet the really pure Enneagram , teachers would say don't write about it , don't read about it , listen . This oral tradition is what they passed along generation after generation Until now it's just blown up .
Speaker 1Kind of blew that away , didn't we ?
Speaker 2So I will say this is where the podcast I think can be helpful for people is . Again , there is something and this may sound mystical to say it this way , but as you hear about your personality or you hear about these things , I mean you've probably had that experience where you're like , oh , that really resonates . I mean that was your story when you heard the Road Back to you .
Speaker 1So it wasn't just reading it , it was like man . This so resonates . The Road Back to Me almost ended in the ditch .
Speaker 2That could be your own book , the Road Back to Me and it almost killed me .
Speaker 1Yeah , that's right , oh my gosh .
Speaker 2And just one other thing I will share , with a website , because I know not everybody is like a reader , and so one website I would like to share . It's Don Rizzo's group does the Enneagram Institutecom , and so again it's just Enneagram Institute all togethercom , but it is the most helpful website . They've got free quizzes , they've got even places that they're doing trainings , they've got misidentifications , and so if there's two numbers that you are like I could be this number or this number , you can go on and click and it'll just talk about the differences . That I find really helpful . Also relationships , so like , for example , my husband's a seven , I'm an eight , you can click on sevens and eight and I mean it is uncanny .
Speaker 1Pete , really , this is free Kirsten .
Speaker 2It's all free . Yeah , all free . So it is a great , great website . Now , again , it comes from a Christian perspective , but I actually feel like that helps it to be more trustworthy , because there's so much out there on the internet with the Enneagram that a lot of times you're just not sure Are these people that have actually had training ? Are they certified , or are they just somebody that likes the Enneagram and has gotten Wrote .
Speaker 1a book for dummies Maybe .
Speaker 2I mean . So you want to go to trustworthy sources ? Sure , because not everyone . I mean I think you've said this before no one owns the Enneagram .
Speaker 1Right , it's crazy .
Speaker 2And so you want to go to reputable , certified people who know what they're talking about .
Speaker 1Say that website one more time .
Speaker 2Yeah , so it's enneagraminstitutecom .
Speaker 1Perfect .
Speaker 2Yeah , and , like I said , on there there's some quizzes and I know that's a question we get sometimes too of like , oh , how do I get a test ? How do I know ? For sure Not that I'm a fan of like , oh , you've got to take a test , but it does help to narrow down . And so my favorite test this will be the last thing I'll share as a resource is the WEPScom test . So it's W-E-P-S-Scom and it was developed by Dr Jerry Wagner , who actually was the teacher of my certification class back years ago . He is a very amazing five and this test is so statistically sound it's crazy . You pay $15 and you get pages and pages back .
Speaker 1I don't think I've done this one you totally should , Damon .
Speaker 2No , I don't . What if I'm ?
Speaker 1not a nine . I don't want to stop it . That'd be two years of podcasts that are wrong .
Speaker 2Hey , I thought it was a two for five years .
Speaker 1Yeah , true , that's true .
Speaker 2So you know , you don't . It's not like you mess up , it's just all part of the journey , yeah .
Speaker 1Maybe I'd be fun if I only had $15 .
Speaker 2Yes .
Speaker 1Well , if only someone listening would donate $15 .
Speaker 2no-transcript . Like it's just amazing .
Speaker 1Okay and probably terrifying .
Speaker 2Yeah , it feels a little bit creepy and awesome , but he again just sat on that test for a long time because he was afraid he'd miss something .
Speaker 1Because he's a five .
Speaker 2He's afraid he'd miss something Because he's a five . He's a five , but man , once he put it out into the world , it has been so helpful and I love too that he is like basically giving this away , you know , $15 . Like there are some tests out there that you pay and it's $100 . You know , and this is one that's just like he's just giving it .
Speaker 1That's nice .
Speaker 2It's the beauty of a healthy five of , just like , instead of having that greed it's putting it out into the world . So anyway , yeah , so some resources for our listeners to consider .
Speaker 1Yep . So if you're a five , I bet you're just reading all those books right now and going to all those websites .
Speaker 2They're going to their Amazon list and click , click , click , yep , awesome , well , thanks .
Speaker 1Kelly , and we will start the six the next time we get together Six .
Speaker 2Yes , all right , our loyal person .
Speaker 1As we go into June . Yeah , all right .
Speaker 2It's crazy , the year's almost half over .
Speaker 1Okay , and so are the cicadas will be gone soon , hopefully .
Speaker 2All right . How long will they be here ? I don't know . I have no idea . I suspect , when it gets cold , that they're done . Oh Lord please . They're done for I just a couple of weeks .
Speaker 1You guys can't , you can't sleep now , or anything like that . Oh my gosh . I can't sleep but yeah , well , I want you to feel better , and I know they're . They're shaking up all that pollen , so yes , yes , and I hope you get better and the next time we talk you'll be feeling better . All right , I'm sure I will . All right , thanks Bye .
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