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Nines and Their Relationship with God: Finding Peace and Purpose
In this episode of Enneagramu, hosts Damon and Kelly wrap up their series on Relationships and the Enneagram by exploring the Nine's relationship with God. They discuss how Nines may find it natural to trust and have faith, but can struggle with deepening their spiritual journey and asserting their individual path. The hosts share insights on how Nines can practice assertiveness as a spiritual discipline and connect with God through nature and fixed-hour prayer. Damon opens up about his own experiences as a Nine, including the challenges of discovering his personal passions and making decisions. The episode offers practical tips for Nines to grow spiritually while embracing their peaceful nature.
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Welcome to Enneagram U with Damon and Kelly, where we explore the mysteries of human personality and help you learn more about you. Whether you're a skeptic or an enthusiast, together we'll take you on a journey of self-discovery using the ancient wisdom of the Enneagram. This is Enneagram U. Hey, everyone, welcome to Enneagram U. My name is Damon. I'm here with my friend Kelly.
Speaker 2:Hi Kelly, hey Damon.
Speaker 1:I have a plethora of feelings today.
Speaker 2:Oh, my goodness. Okay, I'm buckling up.
Speaker 1:All right. Well, it's swirling, so I wish there was just one feeling. Some days you can have a million feelings, like you've said, and I've got some things that are going really well, some things that are really confusing, some things that aren't going so well, and if I share all of that, it would be awful for anyone listening.
Speaker 2:Yes, very entertaining I heard it said once. Like the swirling emotions.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:This was spoken at my aunt's funeral. The priest said it's like we have a snow globe and we shake it and all the feelings are like the little specks in the snow globe. And he said so. When you're grieving or maybe going through a time like you're, you know, just a swirl.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's a swirling.
Speaker 2:It's a swirl. So asking you like, how are you feeling? It would be like trying to name one of those pieces of the snow globe.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it does sometimes feel like that. I'm sure there are people that just're well, I did today.
Speaker 2:Just one thing, one thing, all right. Well, I'll try. You guys are catching us on quite a emotional day.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I haven't got a thousand, you got one.
Speaker 2:I have one. I have never had this experience before share it. So I wake up this morning and I was tired this weekend, like I overslept sunday morning oh, I never set my alarm because I'm up between 6, 30 and 7. I slept until after nine.
Speaker 1:How's it like to be like the rest of us? I?
Speaker 2:know, I'm like it's after nine, it's too much church online. So this morning I wake up and I slept really good last night, and so I there was my journal, and I'm like I have one feeling that I can name and it is blah.
Speaker 1:Is that even a feeling?
Speaker 2:Well, it's not a feeling words, but it needs to be. But I was like okay, I'm blah, because I mean I could say it's Monday, it's rainy, it's been a busy last week, which is all true, and so then, after I wrote all that, then I was like okay, so, cause I do three feelings a day, and so I just I looked down every column and nothing else resonated, so I wrote again. All I've got is blah, it's just peace.
Speaker 1:That's what you have. You just have peace, that's what peace feels like blah blah yeah welcome to the world I do live in the extremes.
Speaker 2:So so you need some kind of emotion not that it felt wrong, it just felt like that's all I've got today, just kind of blah. I think it represents what you're naming like maybe a lot of, just like swirling. Like when you said swirl, I just thought of like a toilet.
Speaker 1:That's all I've been thinking about ever since we said the word swirl.
Speaker 2:Getting a swirly. Maybe that's how you're feeling.
Speaker 1:I'm feeling like my emotional cup is like the toilet bowl where my head is getting a swirly. Right, my head has been dunked in a toilet. That's how I feel today. It's kind of you know, fun because there's like you know, there's fun and water and awful all at the same time, but it's very clean water.
Speaker 2:Okay, that's good. It's a toilet that's just been really clean. I don't know. I don't think it would be ever.
Speaker 1:No, that'd be awful, but yeah, yeah. Well, blah is okay. It's like content maybe, um, or just is it satisfied? Blah is not satisfied, though.
Speaker 2:No, I think. Well, maybe for an eight blah isn't satisfying, cause I do like, like most days, you and you've heard, you guys have heard me on the podcast, like it's, I'm excited or I'm exhausted, you know, or I'm this or that, you know. So the extremes.
Speaker 1:You are an extremist, I am an extremist.
Speaker 2:But I think today even Brock, in our morning prayer time that we had this morning he prayed and I feel like it was for me because I even laughed out loud when he said this Like God, give me just contentment with like boring meetings. I was like, and then I told him later. I said that was for me, because I feel like that is a space in my relationship with God of being content with just the everyday, with the routine, with what you call peace.
Speaker 1:Peace is like really cool at times and sometimes it's not, but yeah.
Speaker 2:Or maybe too much peace may create a space where I'm like, yeah, but it's good.
Speaker 1:Let's shake it up a little bit. Yes, shake up the snow globe, shake it Exactly.
Speaker 2:So I have one today, you have, I have a bunch and I know some of them are really good.
Speaker 1:Like we uh are painting a house now yes, I actually kind of like um, I've renovated a few homes and haven't done it for years and years now, and I'm getting back into that and it's not really renovating.
Speaker 2:I mean come on painting yeah, cleaning and painting, but it's like oh yeah, I remember how to do this yes, I love we just painted our, so we both painted this weekend.
Speaker 1:Okay, so you were painting.
Speaker 2:And I love like the before and after.
Speaker 1:Yeah. I love how like it's just this fresh, new look, can I just say one thing Paint is really expensive, so expensive.
Speaker 2:What in the world Especially you want to get good quality. Yeah, because if you don't, then you're like so many coats.
Speaker 1:Yeah, uh, yeah. Anyway, let me ask you this Not only is it expensive, but are you sore today? No, I haven't done that much painting but, I, will be, because today we're really yesterday and this past weekend was more about just um some closets.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:And so those were just tight spaces.
Speaker 2:That were just miserable to paint. But yeah, I will be. Yeah, no doubt. Well, uh, hartley told me I paint like an eight Aggressive. I do I just I've got some calluses on my hands and I've used muscles that I didn't, so it's fun yeah.
Speaker 1:That's fun. And another thing that happened today was really good. I got up really early.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Like 5 am. I got out of bed at 5 a out and felt good. Had no pain. And then went for a walk in the rain, and my wife was with me. Yeah, it was fun.
Speaker 2:That's good. That's a great way to start. Maybe I need to do a walk today.
Speaker 1:Walks are good, nines in nature.
Speaker 2:Well, we're going to be talking about that today.
Speaker 1:I guess we better move on.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so this is our last episode on nines.
Speaker 1:And it will be the shortest podcast of all because we're just going to get right to it, Unless we just really just start going going going.
Speaker 2:They're like short, but we're finishing up with the nines and their relationship with God.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah.
Speaker 2:I'll be, interested to know how that's supposed to go. Well, here's the answers, buddy. Okay, good, yes, Lay them on me. Well, Tell me what it's like. Think you know. Out of any of the other numbers, they're just able to go with the flow.
Speaker 1:So I think and correct me if I'm wrong, because I'm not a nine- Some days, I do not feel like a nine I mean, that's the hardest part, like being nine-ish, yeah. So like some days like go with the flow, no way. But then I think, well, but isn't that going with the flow if I rebel against everything that's organized?
Speaker 2:Yes, you know, it's kind of, you know, yes, you're rebelling against all the rest of us that aren't going with the flow. Yeah, so.
Speaker 1:Yeah, anyway. Yeah, I'm an antagonist.
Speaker 2:Well, but you know, you think about, you know, in the relationship with God, really it's about trusting God. It's about letting him lead us, receiving like what he's done for us and dying on the cross, living into his resurrection.
Speaker 2:that you know, for those of us that are followers of Jesus, that we can step out of this world right into the next, you know, with eternal life, and so you would think on one hand, like going with the flow means that nines would have an easier way of just kind of leaning into that. So I don't know, what do you think about that?
Speaker 1:Okay, so everybody just sit back and let me tell you. Here's my best guess. That's what I want to say. Yeah, yes to that. So it is not hard, for some reason, for me to jump into faith, believe it, believe that God is for me and not against me. It is not hard for me to understand unconditional love. Some of that was my parents too by the way.
Speaker 1:So some of that was nurture. But I didn't always live as a Christian or didn't always follow Jesus, but those times before I did that I wasn't too far away. It was never very far away. If you would have said are you a follower of Christ? Um, I would have said yes.
Speaker 2:Okay, even when I wasn't sure.
Speaker 1:So until like more clarity came on that and I realized oh, I'm really all about me and I'm still kind of like that, but but you're human, but forgiven, hopefully. And um, yeah, so it it. Uh, it's not. It wasn't a difficult jump. Um once I heard all about it.
Speaker 2:Once I heard all about it, well, and you think about nines as the peacemaker, knowing that really, in this world, we do not have peace. There is no real peace. There's maybe temporary peace, but I wonder, for nines too, if it's like hearing about God, hearing about Jesus, like you said, if it's not too far off, because it just makes sense possibly to the nine.
Speaker 1:Well, Jesus, Prince of Peace, right? So yeah, it just makes sense to me. Always has, and I've had my struggles, but I've never really struggled with extreme doubt. I don't know if that's fear leading that or if that's faith leading that but I hope it's faith.
Speaker 2:It's not been too tough Faith can bring about peace true peace. And I think, for those that are willing to just even say to God hey, God, if you're real, will you show me? And God just being a part of someone's life, I think when you have a taste of that true peace, you just have to know that, that is real.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was kind of natural it's kind of a natural extension of who I already was.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So I think for the nine then in their relationship with God, because we do have that entry point of receiving God's love for us in Jesus, and so I think what we're saying is that maybe for nines they may have an openness to that for true peace, and then also I think the challenge then for them is like continuing in that deepening relationship.
Speaker 1:Yes, oh, that's a good one, and you've probably already seen that in my life, so you're calling me out.
Speaker 2:But yeah, no, I'm glad it's working that way.
Speaker 1:Well, after two years of public counseling I should be a little bit better, but yeah, yeah, it's, I can be super content with just knowing that.
Speaker 2:And Jesus lived and died for me and rose again and I'm like, okay, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm good.
Speaker 2:Thank you, yes.
Speaker 1:Let's move on with life, you know, and so it would be easy for me to sit back. I try not to do that, because I am super thankful and super grateful.
Speaker 2:Well, because I think you know that continual relationship, that deep going deep in that relationship with God, is having to get out of our comfort zones you know, having to recognize, like you were saying a moment ago, like can't be just about me what is God's will for my life. And it takes then, I think, recognizing maybe invitations that God gives, and those invitations are sometimes invitations for peace.
Speaker 2:But I think a lot of times. They are invitations to get out of that comfort zone and to step into faith, to step into action, which, for nines, that can be the challenge.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I would say that is true. To maybe share your faith or to maybe be a part of some kind of faith group or ministry or whatever takes effort to do that.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:And as a nine, you're kind of like, well, why. You know, I'm kind of like or ministry or whatever takes effort to do that. And as a nine, you're kind of like, well, why.
Speaker 2:I'm kind of like, yeah, I'm good.
Speaker 1:And I'm not derailing too bad Right.
Speaker 2:Why would I disrupt my peace? Yeah, right, right.
Speaker 1:So yeah, it takes that effort.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, taking those action steps, because I think I've heard it said the big picture for the nines, especially in their relationship with God, is to really commit to the journey of not only acting on your convictions but also to really see this journey of self-discovery and how God wants to really interact with you personally, because I think nines so often do feel kind of they're self-forgetting Sometimes others may forget them too, and so they're always looking at promoting others' needs above themselves.
Speaker 2:You know, others' wants above themselves, and so recognizing that no, god has equipped you with wants and needs, because he first and foremost wants to meet those needs for you and then to be able to see how God wants to grow in his relationship with you.
Speaker 2:you know and it's this relationship together. It's not like you know well, I mean God's over us, but like that we're a participant in that. It's not just you know, god's that judge in the sky. That's like you'll do this and you'll do that. You know, it's like no, this is a relationship.
Speaker 1:I guess, hopefully I'm tracking with you there, but I guess what I would say is that because it's easy for me to pick up other people's passions, and other people's journeys. If I pick up the journey of Jesus, it's.
Speaker 2:I'm like oh.
Speaker 1:I can latch onto that. But at the same time there is a bit of a and that's more of like a universal truth or universal journey. And I can get on that on more of like a universal truth or universal journey. Yes, and I can get on board with that on that train. But then what is that individual path that God wants me on, and how has he made me? And how, and I need to embrace that.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:And so that's a gift he gives. And how am I gifted? And my gifts aren't necessarily counter to what God wants me to do, right?
Speaker 2:I think that's another thing For sure.
Speaker 1:So, in your self-discovery of who you are, sometimes as people of faith, we think, well, if it's not completely opposite of who I really am, then that can't be what. God wants me to do, because that's too easy.
Speaker 2:I never want to go to Africa, but I guess if I'm going to be a Christian I have to be a missionary there or something.
Speaker 1:Not that we don't get called to that sometimes, and sometimes we serve way outside of our comfort zone but also we serve within our giftedness. But if we're not discovering who we are, then how do we serve within our giftedness?
Speaker 2:Yes, absolutely, and I think that can be the challenge.
Speaker 1:I hope that's what you were kind of trying to say.
Speaker 2:Definitely You're giving a great illustration to help with my words.
Speaker 1:I don't know.
Speaker 2:But I think, as you were saying, that it is so easy for a nine to just latch on to what others want and you were saying this last time too, in our conversation of nines can really be the cheerleader for everyone else's passions, but then you get to a place for yourself and go. Okay, but what's my passion?
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:And again I think about, as you were sharing, the story of blind Bartimaeus that was sitting on the side of the road. I think it's in Mark 10. So here he's, a blind man, he begs. Every day he hears that Jesus is coming into the town and he throws off everything he has and he runs to Jesus and he's like Jesus, son of David, have mercy on me, a sinner. And Jesus has this encounter with Bartimaeus where he says to Bartimaeus what would you like me to do for you? And again, as we think about that, you know Bartimaeus would be like duh, jesus, like I'm blind, but that Bartimaeus had to name what it was that he wanted Jesus to do.
Speaker 2:And so I think for a nine, having to put yourself in that story of just like, okay if I was face to face with Jesus, and Jesus said, Damon, what would you like for me to do for you?
Speaker 1:Like, what would you say? What would I say? Oh, wow, I mean, you don't have to answer it.
Speaker 2:No, I can totally, I can totally answer that. No, I can't.
Speaker 1:Um, so I would say that, like what would? What would we all say? I mean, I think the over-spiritualization would say well, whatever you want me to do, you know, that'd be the first thing that would come to my mind. It's like hello, whatever you want me to do. But that would be kind of a cop-out maybe.
Speaker 2:Well, but I think it goes to that broader sense of the nine. Okay, whatever you would want for the world, jesus, or whatever you would have for me to do, which, on one hand, I think makes it again really easy for nines to be followers of. Jesus Like yes, wherever you lead, I'll go, but then knowing too that God puts desires in our hearts that help us to see the path that he has for us. And so there's something about asserting those desires in our heart.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so if Bart Mayes did I say that, right, yeah, my brain's been in so many places since you've been talking. I'm like chasing all these thoughts was blind, obviously he would say I want to see. So we have to stop and say what's my blindness, what's?
Speaker 2:the thing that.
Speaker 1:I need? Who am I so that I can answer that question more directly? Because I do think there is this universal call of all Christians, all faith, people of faith in the Christian faith, to love God love others and go into all the world. We all have that call right. And then there's sometimes they call that individual call to say or what is it? How are you made and pull that out?
Speaker 2:And that's hard for me.
Speaker 1:And so, because that is hard for nines, what you end up doing is a lot of different things, and so I believe that's where a lot of nines are jack of all trades, and masters of none, and so I believe that's where a lot of nines are jack of all trades and masters of none.
Speaker 2:It's very difficult to narrow that down, yeah, but I think just even in our conversations the last few weeks you've been naming something that you haven't named so much before, which is I've latched on to other people's passions and I've helped them with their passions, sure. I feel like God might be stirring within you what he's wanting to show you as your passion.
Speaker 1:No, no, that's not happening, Kelly.
Speaker 2:We will make it happen.
Speaker 1:We can learn from that right, right, maybe I want to start a podcast. Yeah, that would be fun there you go?
Speaker 2:Or was this your podcast? You can start another one and I'll join you. Yeah, what would your passion be? That we could fail? It would fail.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, but you're so right and that is a challenge for me. It's always been a challenge, and so if you, if you look even at my skillset there, it is not one thing.
Speaker 2:Right, Like you said, you really reflect the seven with like the jack of all trades having so many different skills and abilities and things like that.
Speaker 1:Right, and some of that is because I do have a lot of different interests but some of that is also trying different things.
Speaker 2:Yes, and so I encourage you, as we talk about the upstream and downstream practices, to maybe just create a space where you're like, okay, god, would you show me? Because that's the great thing about God God doesn't want us to be in conflict, definitely for the nines, doesn't want a nine to be in conflict of like, well, we're gonna play hide and seek and this is this great riddle that you're gonna have to solve. He just says be still and know that I'm God, delight yourself in the Lord, and he will give you those desires, and I totally agree with that.
Speaker 1:I would say, yeah, god is not playing games with us, right, it's a game I'm playing in my own head honestly Sure. And then I think for a nine, just having the courage to, whatever that is, say it, yeah. And then stick with it and continue that inertia down that road and not doubt that and that for a nine can feel like very aggressive might be the word, or stubborn might be the word yeah.
Speaker 1:It's a weird feeling. It's like, well, if I say, Kelly, I'm going to do this and I am not moving, that's rough.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:That's rough because, as the mediator, as the political person, as you say, yeah, but what about this? And then what about that? On whatever it is, on both sides of whatever I just said it doesn't matter what it is, Then I'll you know, I can be swayed and I have to fight really hard to say, nope, I'm going this way.
Speaker 2:This is my boundary.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, and even if I'm I hate to say this, but even if I'm wrong, because if I don't practice that muscle. I'll never make decisions about what? I'm supposed to do or be or who I'm supposed to be, or who God wants me to be, or when he asks me what do you want? And I say, well, I can, I don't know, I mean, I'm blind, but I'd like to hear better you know like I won't even know.
Speaker 2:I won't know, right, right, well, and that is where that trust comes in of. Okay, god, as I'm just sitting with that question, help me to see more clearly. You know what it is that you've put in my heart to name.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, for sure, and like you said and I think Jeremy mentioned this last time too- assertiveness for a nine feels like aggression Because I don't practice that often.
Speaker 1:I don't know how to do that well, so we don't know how to argue.
Speaker 1:Well, if you're a nine, you don't know how to be assertive in a healthy way and it feels like you're, you know, pressing really hard, even if you aren't or you will accidentally because you're like, okay, kelly, I know what I want, I know what it is right now, and I am not moving and you just don't. It's, it's almost like zero to a hundred. And then after that you feel like, well, okay, I said my thing and I wanted to say that and I said it. And then afterwards you're like, oh well, now I have like all this remorse for being so aggressive.
Speaker 1:Um so it is a balance and it is a uh practice of health and I, I love you have to work it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I love how you said it's like a muscle we have to use, and so it really is like doing a pushup you know, knowing that, yeah, it's going to be uncomfortable, but the more we use it, the more we're going to be strong and using it in healthy, safe relationships and letting people know like hey, I'm like we talk about practice your no and even being able to say hey, I'm practicing my assertiveness, it's going to feel like aggression to me.
Speaker 1:And and I think people can help a nine or help yourself. If you do get asked, well, what's your opinion? Give a and do this in small ways you know, and give your opinion and and give it in small, small things that aren't going to blow up the room, If you say your opinion, or whatever. Like yeah, I would like a hot dog today, not a hamburger or whatever. Just then, I really want no. No, we're all eating hamburgers, but you.
Speaker 2:It's like no, I want a hot dog, but you're going? Hey, it's okay.
Speaker 1:But yeah, but you're just practicing that.
Speaker 2:It is, I think, one of those things, though and I love how you're naming it, because there are so many important things that nines want and need to bring into the world, but if they're not asserting themselves, it's kind of like a five having all the information for cures, but if they're not putting it in the world. And I feel like that in a way, not for information necessarily for the nine, but just for ideas and activities and lots of different things.
Speaker 1:Yeah, opinions or whatever it is.
Speaker 2:Yes, and to see yourself as those are valuable to put into the world.
Speaker 1:The world needs you to be assertive.
Speaker 2:And so, as we talk about, as we have with all the other numbers, the upstream and downstream, let's do it. You've already named the downstream, which is spending time in nature.
Speaker 1:Yeah, piece of cake, so taking a walk, walk in the rain hike as long as I can get up and go.
Speaker 2:Yeah Well, and they say that for being in nature for the nine helps to really restore balance. For them it just feels like things are maybe settled, or how would you describe like today, as you're in nature? Like how would you describe that? What does that do for?
Speaker 1:you? Yeah, I think there is a energy that gets burned If you're in nature or if you're exercising. There is a certain energy that gets burned, um, if you're in nature or if you're exercising, um, there is a certain energy that is um released just um?
Speaker 2:yes, it does bring up your serotonin level, uh, which I think for nines we've talked about this month. How it helps to kind of kick in. You do something at the beginning of the day, it helps the rest of the day be productive.
Speaker 1:It is a hundred percent. So if you're a nine and you are not doing that, you're probably struggling.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think.
Speaker 1:Uh, and it really is just that. Okay, here's the secret sauce. Nines, you have to do things that are uncomfortable on purpose on purpose. You have to, like you, get up, like you don't want to wake up or get up or whatever, and it's like I'm going to go think of it this way Nines, I'm going to stick my hand in that burning fire.
Speaker 2:It's opposite day.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't want to do this or that boiling vat of oil.
Speaker 2:I'm going to put my hand in that. That's how you have to. That's how it can feel.
Speaker 1:Like just go and do that and once you get going, you can't be stopped at that point, yeah.
Speaker 2:Well and you've said this too like even pushing yourself out of the comfort zone of okay, I may not care where we're going to eat, but I'm going to just name something, because that's just stretching and growing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it's a spiritual thing.
Speaker 2:Yes, it is, it is a spiritual discipline of asserting yourself.
Speaker 1:Exactly.
Speaker 2:But I would say for the nines too, when you are out in nature, really using those senses and so asking yourself you know what am I seeing, you know what are my eyes drawn to?
Speaker 1:What am I?
Speaker 2:hearing. Is there a smell that I'm noticing. You know, what am I feeling? As far as tactile Like today, I'm feeling the rain and just even naming that. So, like for you and Paula, when you're walking together, even it may feel corny to do that Like okay, this is what my eyes drawn to.
Speaker 1:You know what I's drawn to you. You know what I'm drawn to today. I have something okay two dead armadillos on the road, okay, okay. So we're going up this hill and this truck is coming at us a four-wheel dive truck. He's like kind of you know, not right at us, but he's coming at us we step to the, you know, to the left, and he's coming down and he hits something, and then it goes boom, and there's this crunch.
Speaker 1:I'm like oh, he ran over like a tree, a big, big branch in the road. That was awful. We get up to where that truck was. Two armadillos so he hit two of them.
Speaker 2:I don't know, but he hit one of them and it popped, and that's all I'm gonna say. So, hey, I'm paying attention to what I hear and see so today was pretty easy crunchy, uh, and then it was bad I mean, these things are so ugly, but I actually felt kind of. I heard they can really be dangerous to your car if you hit them.
Speaker 1:Not that truck. Well, not a big truck like that, and it was yeah, it was kind of traumatizing actually.
Speaker 2:Sorry everybody for that word, picture or whatever.
Speaker 1:but yeah, that was a real story Life and death, right there it was, thank God.
Speaker 2:there's people that do that. I don't know. If they do, I think they let nature take its course.
Speaker 1:Really, I don't know, maybe they get it off the road and put it in the ditch and let nature take its course. I'll tell you tomorrow morning If it's still there or if they're still there.
Speaker 2:It was a couple. Oh, they were out on their morning walk.
Speaker 1:I'm so sorry. Everybody See this is going becomes wild things. Okay, go ahead so the downstream spending time in nature, the upstream and we are out of time today and we're gonna have to sign off of this podcast.
Speaker 2:Thank you, okay, go ahead, do that well, I know I've already said journaling. I mean that's a given for all the numbers. But here's another upstream practice for, as a spiritual discipline is called, fix our, fixed, our prayer I have heard of. Yes, so it's kind of back.
Speaker 1:Three times a day.
Speaker 2:Yes, three times a day, so morning, noon and night. You just maybe even set an alarm and just and it doesn't have to be like I'm going to spend an hour in prayer, but it could just be that, you know, pause in the day where you're just like, okay, God, I'm going to just stop and I'm going to talk to you about this or this or this.
Speaker 1:Okay. So, I can go with that. Yeah, I do have a pretty good tendency of kind of staying connected to God generally in everything. Again just kind of like my way of thinking.
Speaker 2:Yeah, stream of consciousness, yes, it's very much that, but to be intentional three times a day.
Speaker 1:I could try it. I can try it the journaling honestly, I did it for years.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I don't know if it ever helped, but I did it for years.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I've not done it in a couple years, honestly.
Speaker 2:Yeah Well, I love this way of praying. So the Alpha Course names three steps that you do, because sometimes prayer can be intimidating. Simple three-step. It's thank you, I'm sorry, please. And so you just name some things that you're grateful for, thank you, and then I'm sorry, maybe some places that you've messed up. And then please, like some things that are on your heart.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:And so that may be a helpful place.
Speaker 1:That's kind of like the old school ax prayer.
Speaker 2:Yeah, kind of yeah.
Speaker 1:Adoration, confession, thanksgiving, supplication Baptist. Supplication I forgot to pray for you. Sorry, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, yeah. So that again that's just some ways to connect. But fixed hour prayer just gives us three specific times. You may have heard it called to praying the hours you know, and so, again, not that it has to be a certain direct time, but you know, traditionally in the Jewish faith there was the going, you know, to have the prayer times morning, noon, night, and so, yeah, it kind of leans into routine.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm not Jewish, but okay, I will.
Speaker 2:But you know a Jewish carpenter, you think. If Jesus was here, he'd probably be, you know fixed our prayer.
Speaker 1:I don't know. Yeah, we'll see. Yeah, I like that I could try it. Yeah, Give it a try and give us a report on what you think. People are not convinced that.
Speaker 2:I'm going to try it, hey. Accountability.
Speaker 1:You never know. Yeah, it's a good thing the podcast can't talk back. Maybe you can make it accountable.
Speaker 2:You can be accountable. So before you like at the end of the day, when you have to do my or I get to not have to. Yeah, I can pray before every Chiefs game and Mizzou game. We need to start, all need to start doing that now. Please, we need to pray for our coaches, pray for our quarterback.
Speaker 1:Yeah For the Mizzou, not Chiefs. Yeah right, they don't even need prayer, they're just winning easy. No, so if you are going to pray for a football team, please pray for the raiders. Oh well, that is the team they have needed, like the worst in the nfl pray for my family your family, that is a little bit more yeah, grieving being raiders fans once again. No, once again, no one in our immediate listening area is going to have much, uh, sympathy for you guys i'miders fans.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry to say that that's the way it is.
Speaker 1:I think that's it. We've talked about a nine way too much.
Speaker 2:Shortest podcast ever, it is 33 minutes.
Speaker 1:Alright, everybody, thank you for joining us on Enneagram U. I'm sure you learned something today that maybe was or wasn't helpful, and we will see you next. What?
Speaker 2:are we talking?
Speaker 1:about next time? Do we even know?
Speaker 2:Well, we're going to be talking about the heart triad and finances.
Speaker 1:All righty, that's right. Okay, see ya. Bye Kelly, bye Damon.