What we lose in the Shadows (A father and daughter True Crime Podcast)
What we lose in the Shadows (A father and daughter True Crime Podcast)
Diddy, do it? The Tangled Web of Sean Combs
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The name Sean Combs, or should we say Brother Love, conjures an image of a chameleon in the music industry. This episode peels away at his ever-changing personas and the shadows cast by his fame. From his connections to notorious feuds and allegations of sexual misconduct, the weight of these claims underscores the power dynamics that play out in the courtrooms and beyond. The New York City Adult Services Act emerges as a beacon of hope, offering a path to justice for survivors. Yet, as we dissect these layers, the question of whether celebrity can tip the scales of justice looms large.
Scandals in high places. Homeland Security raid on Combs' home—pose the question of how power shields or fails to shield the elite. We scrutinize the role of upbringing within celebrity culture, especially when it comes to the development of youths like Christian Combs. And as I share my skepticism on Diddy's proclaimed innocence, we invite you to keep the conversation alive on Instagram. Be part of our journey as Caroline and I continue to spotlight the intricate intersections of crime, influence, and the pursuit of justice.
Diddy's Homes Police Raid Detailed in Photos (newsweek.com)
Diddy home raid footage leaked by ex-girlfriend who slams federal agents for ‘terrorizing’ their sons | The Independent
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Good morning and welcome to what we Lose in the Shadows a father-daughter true crime podcast. My name is Jamison Keys.
Speaker 2I'm Caroline. Good morning everyone.
Speaker 1Good morning Caroline. How are you? I'm real good. How are you? I'm real good. How are you?
Speaker 2I'm good. I'm happy about the weather finally being warm. I feel like it took forever this year.
Speaker 1Yeah, but we slid from from like a spring kind of the 50s, and then a couple of days ago was like 90 something.
Speaker 2I know that's a bit extreme.
Speaker 1I hate that climate change.
Speaker 2It's not good. Literally it's not good. It's a bit extreme. I hate that Climate change. It's not good. Literally it's not good. It's already like 90 degrees in May, the beginning of May Right. I'm not excited about July.
Speaker 1Nah, good point, good point. Except I'll be in the pool, so yes, and I'm not a big pool goer myself, even though there's a pool here. I just rarely go to it. You should change that this summer I should.
Speaker 2I should, it'll be my summer resolution. I love that. That's a good resolution it is to swim more so.
Speaker 1Um, I was in starbucks. I went to see a movie the other night and, uh, there was some time to kill between dinner and that, so I stopped into starbucks. It's a good one. I had one of the oat milk drinks, right.
Speaker 2Like a latte.
Speaker 1A latte. It was an oat milk latte, right, but this one was not the lavender Missed opportunity. True, true Baby steps. So I tried an oat milk latte, but it had brown sugar and two shots of espresso. It was lovely. I'm not going to lie.
Speaker 2Exactly See. That's why everyone loves to like. Uh, people are so picky with their drinks, but then, once you find the right drink, you're like that's what I want.
Speaker 1I don't want a shitty drink well, but you know, I mean I we've had gone to different places and had like these oat milk shakes before oh yeah, and they're not good, I don't. I'm not a big fan of that no, the oat milk.
Speaker 2But just yeah, that wasn't very good. I think the coffee cuts the oat milk. Yeah, or maybe the oat milk cuts the coffee and it just like is a perfect like balance.
Speaker 1It was really good. I got to admit it was really good and it was a late movie so I was able to make it through it and actually drive home, so it was good.
Speaker 2So I heard something about the harvey weinstein case. Um, yes, so he's not out, is he? No, he so his one of his convictions and this is a. This is a good example of why. It's why some prosecutors will go after multiple cases in multiple states because of this exact situation. So he was convicted in New York and LA, so they overturned his ruling in New York and that was New York um Supreme court, their state Supreme court, so they overturned his ruling. So basically, he that is expunged from his record or he was cleared um and so, but he still was convicted in la and so he's still being held for like 21 more years oh, thank god yeah yeah, because when I heard that too, I was like what are we doing right?
Speaker 2why are we doing this?
Speaker 1and it was a technicality of some sort, right?
Speaker 2yes, so they said that the um, the judge, let in too much, like they let in allegations instead of um okay things that were part of the case gotcha and so they feel that that misled the jury, Although, no, I understand what they're saying, but also I totally disagree, because if you raped 30 people, the 31st is really going to make that much Like really.
Speaker 1Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2He's obviously a piece of shit.
Speaker 1Well, but yeah, but I mean, the lawyers are looking for any little thing that allows them to.
Speaker 2Yeah, they said the judge was egregious. I'm like, okay, who who's egregious, the judge or the, the perpetrator? Really which one?
Speaker 1well, I mean, like they allowed the you know the bill cosby case, he was able to get out of prison because of some agreement that they weren't going to use a certain portion of the information or the evidence. If he signed this document about one thing it it's just. I don't know, it's too I. I'd love to get to laws that were actually the intent of the law, which is to put someone guilty behind bars and not have some of the little the loopholes are crazy crazy yeah, these lawyers are really skilled at uh, at finding loopholes.
Speaker 2You know what I mean. They really know what they're doing and how to get their people out.
Speaker 1That's why they make the big bucks, I suppose.
Speaker 2It is yeah, yeah, because they will pay. I mean, imagine what's the price of your freedom.
Speaker 1Right.
Speaker 2You know like yeah, bill Cosby's going to pay to get himself out, but oh, he also had such a, maybe we'll cover his case too. Case too. Trigger warnings for today are sexual assault, human trafficking and gun trafficking.
Speaker 1Right, potentially all those.
Speaker 2Potentially Alleged.
Investigation Into Sean Combs (P Diddy)
Speaker 1So we're going from one creep to another. Um, so I don't know, are you familiar with Sean Combs? Who? Sean Combs P Diddy? Yes, puff Daddy. Who Sean Combs P Diddy? Yes, puff Daddy.
Speaker 2I didn't know those were all the same person Now Diddy, and his latest development Brother. Love. I definitely know P Diddy as that name, but I didn't know the other ones were the same person.
Speaker 1Right. The other ones were the same person, right. So, um, a lot of you know a lot of allegations about this dude for a very, very long time, going all the way back to when he started his record company when was that?
Speaker 2that would have been in the 90s see, that's the thing that I don't understand about these cases of like, like we were talking about harvey weinstein, bill cosby, um r kelly, um, all these men are jeffrey epstein, you know, like these allegations have been for literally 30 years and everyone was just looking away and now finally, these like what 2020, 2015 and up is really when we're like cracking down on like these horrible men?
Speaker 1it's crazy to me well, and and the thing about this is, there is real and nothing was ever proved. He was never. I mean, just start by saying that he was never charged with anything Not yet.
Speaker 1Not yet, but I mean, even as early as the 90s there was a real East Coast West Coast rapper kind of animosity and they would like diss each other in songs like you had people on the west coast like, I think, tupac, shakur, um and uh biggie smalls, who were two rappers, one east coast, one west coast. They were really saying some nasty stuff about each other in these raps have you seen the new rap, uh drama?
Speaker 2of course not no between drake and kendrick lamar.
Speaker 1They're going back and forth like well, yeah, this, apparently nothing has changed but this is, this is real gangster shit, I mean oh, yeah, no yeah, I mean this was some really scary stuff, right, because you know sean combs, although his father tried to kind of keep him from the life, he was a gangster and you know a serious, you know new york city kind of gangster. He actually died in in a shooting. Uh, his dad, his dad, right, so I mean, he, he was kind of, he was real, you know, from that sort of world. Um, but he got into you know, the record company and it for years and years and years been going back and forth because, as you know or maybe don't, um, you know, tupac's core was actually coming in I think I can't remember it was a concert or or a fight or a boxing match, something like that was driving in los angeles and a car pulled up beside his car and he was shot dead in the car, wow. And then, not long after that, um, uh, biggie Smalls had had a similar fate, wow, and there was always allegations and really talk about how was he involved and was he the triggering event or was he the person?
Speaker 1P Diddy, wow, puff Daddy. Sean Combs.
Speaker 2I don't like the Puff Daddy one.
Speaker 1Yeah, I don't even understand that one so much.
Speaker 2But it's interesting, it's the same PD. Yeah, I don't even understand that one so much, but it's interesting, it's the same PD. Yeah, true, true Interesting. I like P Daddy, I think that's. Or Sean Combs, yeah right.
Speaker 1Those two. But there are allegations even at that point that he has something to do with it. But nothing has ever been proved. I think there was a bodyguard or someone that they eventually, years and years, decades later, arrested for the actual act of murder. But there's always been allegations. There's always been smoke there. They've never developed fire. But as of a couple weeks ago, p Diddy is in hot water again. So officials from the US Homeland Security rated several homes belonging to Sean Combs on March 25th in connection with federal sex trafficking investigation.
Speaker 2I'm not surprised.
Speaker 1Yeah, the sudden raids came as the rapper, music mogul who created, you know, really launched the careers of, like I said, Biggie Smalls, Mary Kay Blige Usher had faced a string of a variety of accusations in the past six months, including sexual assault. So here's kind of what we know right at this point. The raids on Diddy's Los Angeles mansion in an upscale Holmby Hills area near Bel Air and also Beverly Hills and his Miami Beach home in the exclusive five-star island or, I'm sorry, in the exclusive star island area, was carried out simultaneously on the same day in connection with a federal sex trafficking investigation.
Speaker 2They typically do that at the same time, so he can't be Run or destroy evidence right.
Speaker 1So in a statement, the Department of Homeland Security said that Homeland Security investigators in New York executed law enforcement actions as part of an ongoing investigation with the help of Home Security HSI Los Angeles and HSI Miami and local law enforcement partners in both places. Nbc News cited an unnamed source that said three women and a man had been interviewed by federal officials in Manhattan and three other interviews were conducted and scheduled later on sex trafficking charges and sexual assault. Federal agents found firearms and Diddy's properties in LA and Miami and, according to the source who spoke to NBC News, the type of firearms allegedly found and the legal owners of the firearms are still unknown. It remains unconfirmed whether Diddy himself is the focus of the investigation or not.
Speaker 2It sounds like he should be.
Speaker 1We're the smoke. Like I said, fox News also shared video footage of the raid that was taking place from a helicopter or a drone that showed several individuals in handcuffs outside the property, including diddy's two sons oh my god uh, how old they're.
Speaker 1They're, I think they're in their 20s. Okay, diddy also has another home. Uh, he purchased in at Atlanta in 2003, but it sat vacant for several years. Recent images show that the counters are covered with dust and the chandeliers are covered in cobwebs and that sort of thing. At that point in time, they were wondering where is Diddy? Speculation arose as to Diddy's whereabouts and it's circulated ever since the raids, information about a private jet that belongs to the rapper that was removed from the popular flight tracking website on Tuesday March 26th. The black 20-seat Gulfstream Aerospace GVSP is registered to Love Air LLC, which, of course, he's brother Love, that's one of his handles. So, according to TMZ, the planes were spotted on the ground in antigua in the caribbean shortly after the news of the raids broke wait, so did they find him I'll get to that, okay.
Discussion on Sexual Allegations Against Diddy
Speaker 1Uh, diddy was not to believe to have been on board, uh, the jet at that time. Why would they be there then I? That that's a good point. I don't know, and maybe you know, and like um, you know, similar to jeffrey ep, I mean, maybe he was a person that gave rides to people Interesting, you know, from here to there, now Antigua, I'm not sure I have no idea. The outlet reported that, based on the flight data that the jet had traveled across California between Sunday, the 24th and Monday, the 25th, taking off in Sacramento Executive Airport around 5.30 pm, landing in Palm Springs. It later took off again from Van Nuys in north of Los Angeles and sometime later it flew to Antigua. According to TMZ Interesting, on that Tuesday the flight data was no longer available. Like I said, they'd taken off at his request. However, reports indicate that the plane returned Wednesday morning and has remained parked in the Miami OPA Lachlan Executive Airport ever since then. Diddy was spotted in public for the first time after the raids as he went to Miami Top Golf with his two daughters.
Speaker 2He was just like. I'm just going to play this off.
Speaker 1Well, you know, he's a cool character, I guess.
Speaker 2What.
Speaker 1No, he's a calm person, I guess.
Speaker 2Interesting. That's wild, since he has been accused of sex trafficking.
Speaker 1He has not been accused of sex trafficking. He he has not been excused. He has not been accused of sex trafficking. Just yet, I'll get it out right here. Uh, the rapper and music mogul, 54, has faced a string of sexual allegations in recent months. In february, music producer rodney little rod jones accused diddy of sexual assaulting him and forcing him to sleep with sex workers. The lawsuit, filed in federal court, that's sex trafficking.
Speaker 1Yes, right, correct. The lawsuit filed in federal court in New York accused the music mogul of repeated instances of unsolicited groping and sexual touching. It also said that the man he had worked for, which is Diddy, had had him talk to him and take notes, while Diddy was in the shower and walking around naked.
Speaker 2Ew, ew, that's creepy.
Speaker 1Mr Jones also identified a rapper 50 Cent's former girlfriend and the mother of one of his children as one of the alleged sex workers. She has denied the claims and said she is considering legal action herself.
Speaker 2Interesting.
Speaker 1Another lawsuit filed in December alleged that Diddy gang raped a 17-year-old girl in 2003. That's horrible. The plaintiff, identified as Jane Doe, accused Diddy of plying her with drugs and alcohol at his New York City studio and then raping her, along with two of his associates. That is horrible, disgusting, no far beyond the disgusting, the suit also accuses Diddy of a sex trafficking scheme in which Jane Doe was flown by private jet from her home. Same Jane Doe.
Speaker 2Oh, okay.
Speaker 1Flown by private jet from her home in Michigan to New York, crossing state lines. Of course, others in the media sphere have also come out against him, citing negative experiences. Tanika Ray, a TV host and one-time backup singer for Diddy, said that she had a horrific experience with the rapper. I just knew to avoid him at all costs. She said yes, I danced for him and I kept my space. I interviewed him for projects and kept my space there too. Nothing that happened is surprising. Meanwhile, recently resurfaced video shows Diddy questioning a very nervous Justin Bieber, who appears to be about 16 years old at the time, about why he had supposedly been keeping his distance from Diddy.
Speaker 2Yikes.
Speaker 1Diddy has vehemently denied all accusations against him and has not been charged with a crime yet.
Speaker 2Yeah, they always do deny.
Speaker 1In November of last year, diddy and R&B singer Cassie, whose name is Cassandra Ventura, settled a lawsuit after she claimed that she was being trafficked, raped and beaten by the rapper, oh my God, on many occasions. Over 10 years.
Speaker 2That's horrible.
Speaker 1Her lawsuit alleges that Diddy brought the singer into an ostensibly fast-paced, drug-fueled lifestyle not long after she met him and signed her to his label. Absolutely not.
Speaker 2She was only 19 years old at that point, oh my gosh, still a baby.
Speaker 1Cassie said that the pattern of abuse began soon after the relationship started and that she was trying to end it in 2018. He forced her into his Los Angeles home and raped her.
Speaker 2Okay, literally, how is he going to deny? Like what? How many claims has this been?
Speaker 1Like eight, well how are you going to deny?
Speaker 2eight people's claims that you sexually assaulted them. You know, money does a lot of things for you and sometimes money gives you distance from these things. I mean, you would think so, but literally I pray that this catches up with him.
Speaker 1Yeah, her accusations against him also were brought through the New York City Adult Services Act, the ASA, which expired at midnight on the 23rd of November, and that's why she filed it then. The act provided survivors a one-year window to pursue legal litigation, regardless of when the abuse occurred, meaning incidents from decades ago were finally brought to light. That's great. Over 2,500 cases were filed under the ASA before it expired on midnight on the 23rd of November. The Independent showed survivors brought lawsuits against some of the state's most powerful men, including major players in entertainment like Bill Carsby and Harvey Weinstein, axl Rose and Diddy. The suit involving Cassie was settled within 24 hours of filing, so my thought is he was saying go ahead, try to figure it out. This act allowed her to do it and as soon as he did, within 24 hours, it was settled.
Speaker 2He paid her.
Speaker 1Absolutely, he paid her Absolutely. I hate that, but at least she got some restitution, at least she got to have her say I know it's so tough.
Speaker 2It's just like of course you don't want to force like survivors to go through the legal battles and possible, you know, rejection, or like being told that they are their, their experiences didn't happen, right. Um, that, you know, sometimes goes on for years. Most of the time goes on for years. So, yeah, it's like, yeah, like I would never want to force that on somebody who's already survived so much abuse by him. But it's also like he literally just paid her off allegedly absolutely.
Speaker 2I think you're probably right well, yeah, definitely, because that's what settling is right.
Speaker 1But I mean, you know, some people you know would say, well, he just didn't want to go through the legal wranglings and further damage to us.
Speaker 2But I think you're completely right, yeah I think you're completely right I mean, it's just, uh, I don't know, have you ever read, uh, the book? It's called? Know my name? It's by chanel miller and it's about the brock turner case and how she didn't realize what she was getting into, right, so she's the victim of brock turner.
Speaker 2And so she was approached by police, you know, and investigators and sane nurses and all of these people. They like basically not not convinced her, but they didn't tell her all that would be entailed if she decided to pursue legal action against brock turner, sure, and so she thought, okay, like I'm just saying, yeah, this happened and you can use that and then go. You know, she didn't realize she had to be in court. She didn't realize she cause she was 19 or not like 18. She was young, and so she didn't realize all these things. Right, that like came along with it and it was years and it was like anxiety inducing and it caused her to have mental health issues. And you know, people stopped being friends with her. They blamed her this, that, whatever, she had to keep this from her job.
Speaker 2Like I mean it literally like ate up her life for years, right, and then all he got was two months. Two months and a judge who said he's been through enough oh god right like, yeah. So it's just like I don't know. When I read stories like that, it reminds me, like, why people decide to settle, because it's like, if they really do just want to move past this, you know I get why they would want to do that. But it's tough also because it's like then there's no paper trail. They were not found guilty, right. So it's so tough. Oh, such a bad situation.
Speaker 1Right, absolutely. And you look at some of the recent cases and so on, like a Harvey Weinstein, like a Jeffrey Epstein, like Danny Masterson.
Speaker 1That took a long time for that to come around as well. Yeah, and the funny thing is, I mean, not funny at all. I shouldn't say that the awful thing is these folks have a couple of things in common. I shared kind of a perversion, if you will, you know, a violence against women or a sex trafficking, which I think is just one of the worst things a person could do. Absolutely, absolutely Just awful, awful things. But so often you find a powerful institution or a lot of money kind of standing in the forefront and saying you know, you don't want to, you don't want to do this, this is a big, heavy rock and it's going to fall right on you, right? So the person that actually steps forward and says, no, I'm going to, I don't care what it costs me, I don't care what it's going to happen, I'm going to make sure this is at least out there in the open and then a judge, a judge and a jury can make their decision, right, yeah?
Speaker 2You got to applaud someone like that. Oh, absolutely, Absolutely. And again, no shade to Cassie, because I understand wanting to like put it behind you and heal and move on and not wanting to see that person for months and years know like going into court and probably years after, appeals for sure and knowing what what he did to you knowing and then watching him deny it, right, I mean, that's just maddening.
Speaker 2I totally understand why she did that, but, um, yes, I definitely do applaud the survivors that decide to take legal action against their abusers, because it's it's super important to stop the um, the cycle of abuse right it's just it's so interesting that like money is such a common key thing.
Speaker 2Right, it's interesting, money fame, and I think, like what it really goes back to is like this sense of like self-importance and like control over others, like they truly believe they are better than others and their desires, whatever they may be, need to be met and everyone else can fall to the wayside.
Speaker 1Absolutely, and even the little Rod, who also filed a lawsuit against him. I mean there's a certain stigma attached to that as well. Being male, Very brave, right, I mean, and and people are, you know, some people in the business are, you know, attacking him and so on, and say whatever, whatever, right, but he's doing the right thing, he's definitely doing the right thing.
Speaker 2And, yeah, I always say like, feminism helps everyone because it de-stigmatizes. You know whatever's going on with like the gender divide and the gender roles? Right, because being a sexual assault victim isn't gendered. It does happen to women more frequently, but it's definitely underreported with men and boys because they feel like they're gay, which obviously is not correlated, like, yes, they could be gay if they, if that's what they so choose or if that's how they feel. But yeah, you don't have to be gay just because you were sexually assaulted by a man. That doesn't, that does not correlate at all, because you know it's against your will, you did not consent to it.
Speaker 1Right.
Speaker 2And so you know, it's the same thing that we see, I think, with with people, sadly, you know, if they've never had sexual experiences before, like sometimes women will think like, oh, I'm not a virgin anymore and it's like no if you do not consent, right, that does not like.
Speaker 2That is, that was not your choice, that does not count. You know what I mean. It's just, but it's like similar thinking, in the way of like, we need to hold these people accountable, and you know, people coming forward and talking about their negative experiences with people is very, very brave, and you know we need to de-stigmatize that for both genders, but for boys too, and men.
Speaker 1You know what, and some of the similarities between the Jeffrey Epstein case, which we which we did a while back and this, like, when they went through some of these houses, you wonder what they were looking for, right? But one of the things they found is that there were literally dozens, if not hundreds, of cameras all over this guy's houses. So is it the same thing? Was this guy able to skate for this long? If indeed he did this? Was he able to skate this long because he had, you know, like, really tough evidence against famous people long? If indeed he did this, was he able to skate this long because he had, you know, like you know, really tough evidence against famous people, because probably a lot of to his freak I don't remember what he calls his freak outs or freak freak shows, or his parties were freak outs, freak ins or something like that, I don't know, but whatever they're called, um, you know, there were some really famous people there. Ellen degenes was there at some of these places. Prince Harry was at one of these things.
Royal Scandals and Allegations
Speaker 1The redhead yeah, oh shit. So now those people and no one has claimed that they were in any way those two people, for example, were in any way involved? No, I know I know In anything lurid other than the fact that this guy throws you know these crazy wild parties Right, and you actually want there, but no one is accusing them of anything like that. But but no one knows, right, because there's a certain class of people that are protected by power and and look at, we'll look at.
Speaker 1You know, prince andrew, right? Oh my god, we need to cover his too. Dreadful things, horrid dreadful things. Yeah, supposedly allegedly, and um, and he'll never. He'll never pay for it, although he's been kind of ostracized by the royal family.
Speaker 2That's how you know he did it, though. That's how you know he did it. They kicked him to the curb so quick.
Speaker 1But even that what does? That mean that means he can't attend royal events?
Speaker 2That means he can't use his royal highness. He's extremely privileged in his position.
Speaker 1I doubt if it means he's living in a bad apartment in Soho somewhere.
Speaker 2Definitely not.
Speaker 1But still, I mean it's something, there's some repercussions, but I doubt that that man ever comes to the United States again with that case.
Speaker 2I mean maybe, Maybe not.
Speaker 1So the music mogul has strongly denied all accusations against him and he said I will fight for my name, my family and my truth.
Speaker 2Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1On Tuesday, the lawyer's rapper released a statement describing the actions of the US Homeland Security during the raid as a gross overuse of military level force, and you know what? Well, yeah, but did you see any of this coverage? No, they came in there with like armored vehicles in both these places. Like armored vehicles, guys dressed up in full combat gear with AR-15s and high capacity guns, helmets and all that kind of thing Interesting, and I'm just curious what were they trying to find? Are they trying to find anyone that could be trapped there?
Speaker 1are they trying to find video evidence of what happened there so they can use that in the case and maybe use it beyond probably both, yeah, so um, and there have been some allegations um against one of diddy's sons, as well as having roles in in different things too in sexually assaulting women. Sexually assaulting women yeah, in sexually assaulting women, nice.
Speaker 2Of course Women's in the family, I guess.
Speaker 1Well, there was a case where I guess Diddy had rented a yacht that was, I guess, down in Miami and that they had taken out in the open seas, and one of the ladies that was working there has accused Diddy's son, christian, of assaulting her.
Speaker 2Yeah, I'm sure he did. I'm sure he did. I'm sure he did because, literally, look at what he was taught growing up that women are expendable, women are to be used, women are objects like. I'm not surprised, and I'm not saying it's not his fault, because he definitely had plenty of chances and the internet to teach him better. Right they, he could have learned better if he wanted to, but it was easier just to go along.
Speaker 1Well, and you know, another interesting thing, I saw an interview with Usher, who I always thought in the music community Usher is actually seems to be a pretty decent guy.
Speaker 2Nothing crazy has come out about him, so he must be good, because everyone's dirt is getting aired.
Speaker 1Well, so he knew Diddy when they were young, right? And, as a matter of fact, I think he was a bystander. Well, who knows what, what it was, but I mean, for example, um, when he was considering getting in the music business and Diddy was telling his parents, you know I can help him, you know, move up in the business. He went to live with Diddy for a number of months, or maybe six months or something like that, or a year, and he, he they called it flavor school oh, yeah, and and basically just letting him know what the lifestyle was about.
Speaker 1And I saw an interview with usher and he said um. He said, well, he goes, what did you see there? He's like I stuff I'm not going to talk about, um, he goes, illegal stuff. He said well, I'm not saying that, I'm just saying some wild stuff, some stuff. I didn't know what was exactly happening. And he said and what does that mean? Well, I did that. That's open to interpretation, right?
Speaker 2well, yeah, but I feel like that's so telling even very telling without being telling right, exactly, it's like you can't pin it down. But also, what could that mean? Drugs, drugs, prostitution, sexual assault, like what? Do you know what I mean? Like, what really could guns? Like what? What? What really could that mean? Right, what's wild, you know.
Speaker 1Right and they asked him. I thought this was even more telling. They asked Usher, would you send your son to Diddy's house to flavor camp?
Speaker 2Because not a chance, see yeah. To Diddy's house, to Flavor Camp. Because not a chance, see yeah. That is even more telling because it's like obviously he didn't think it was an appropriate place for children.
Speaker 1But yeah, but I mean once again, when you are young and he was young, then who Usher, how young I want to say he was a teenager. He wasn't old because his parents actually sent him there. It wasn't like he was 26 and went there, but his parents sent him there to get an idea of what the lifestyle was like if he wanted to do it. The parents, I'm sure, had no idea that it was like Sodom and Gomorrah. Yeah, whatever that means For the young people.
Speaker 1For the young people, a biblical reference from the Old Testament. Great, but no, they had no idea.
Speaker 2I'm sure that the manner of things that were going on Right, but if you let some of these people into your life't even have children but I know I would never send children of anyone's children to live with a man, the hell. That's a horrible idea, horrible idea If you don't know them.
Speaker 1What Well, I guess they knew each other. But how well Well, apparently not well enough.
Current Events and Legal Allegations
Speaker 2That's what I mean. Like, if it's not a family member, why are you sending your children to live with men?
Speaker 1Well, so for Diddy's part, as I said, he strongly denied the accusations and his lawyer said that the rapper will be releasing a statement, you know, in condemnation of the raids and everything. Oh whatever. That he's innocent and they're going to fight him to clear his name, and so on.
Speaker 2Ha ha ha. I'm excited to see him get put away.
Speaker 1So we shall see. We don't know. These are all allegations at this point.
Speaker 2You love to say that. Wow, I like to cover my ass?
Speaker 1Yes, I do, but at the same time, I mean there's been so much smoke around this guy, yeah, from the whole Tupac thing From the 90s all the way through now and, with this, these latest allegations and lawsuits. But we will keep our eye on it. But, um, I hope that, like harvey weinstein, like jeffrey epstein, that in the end justice is finally done literally follow the show on whatever streaming site you're listening on and remember.
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