What we lose in the Shadows (A father and daughter True Crime Podcast)
What we lose in the Shadows (A father and daughter True Crime Podcast)
Stalked via AirTag
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Imagine finding an Apple AirTag hidden in your car - a sinister shadow trailing your every move. A tale that chills the bones, yet that's precisely what happened in a disturbing case of stalking that culminated in a heartbreaking tragedy. This episode dissects the horrifyingly real implications of such technology being misused and emphasizes the critical importance of recognizing and addressing stalking behavior.
Sorce material:
Woman Allegedly Used AirTag to Stalk and Kill Her Ex-Boyfriend (futurism.com)
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Stalking and Domestic Violence Cases
Speaker 1Good morning and welcome to what we Lose in the Shadows . A .
Speaker 2Father Daughter True Crime Podcast .
Speaker 1My name is Jameson Keyes , I'm Caroline . Good morning Caroline . How are you ?
Speaker 2I'm doing well . How are you ?
Speaker 1Very good . We are now past the Thanksgiving holiday and Caroline and I were together . We made Thanksgiving dinner together and it was all fresh , all fresh , all made from scratch .
Speaker 2It was good .
Speaker 1Well , I mean , I didn't make the turkey from scratch , but everything else .
Speaker 2Exactly Everything except for the turkey and the pie crust , and so mostly from scratch .
Speaker 1Mostly .
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Speaker 2Yes . If you don't like , then definitely don't rate . Thank you , sadly . I wanted to mention that a student at the Rochester Institute of Technology is currently missing . His name is Matthew Grant . He has been missing since November 20th of this year of 2023 . He was last seen driving a gray Jeep Cherokee . We will have more information on our Instagram story about this and we'll be posting updates there , also on Instagram as well . The trigger warnings today are stalking , domestic violence and murder .
Speaker 2Stalking has been a tactic used by abusers , manipulators and traffickers for as long as people have been horrible to each other . Stalking laws have only recently been implemented into our justice system . Even with these laws , proving that you're being stalked is extremely difficult . By the time stalking is obvious , it's often too late . Unfortunately , that is the case for the people that we'll be discussing today . Stalking has adapted with our technology . Some people use social media to stalk people , and I'm not talking about the casual checking up on people that often gets labeled as stalking someone on Instagram . I'm talking about consistently on that person's page , trying to figure out where they are going in real time , getting blocked , making new accounts to continue making the person feel uncomfortable . That's actual stalking .
Speaker 1That's creepy as shit .
Speaker 2And it happens . It's really scary . So the first case we'll be discussing takes place in Indianapolis , indiana . A woman named Galen Morris was stalking her boyfriend . She used an Apple AirTag , placed this inside of his car and followed him to a local restaurant , a bar called Tillies . There she found him cheating on her with another woman . Morris was enraged and picked up an empty bottle to hit the woman with Her boyfriend , andre Smith , stopped her from hitting the other woman with the bottle . The bartender , concerned by the entire scene , kicked all three of them out . Thankfully , the woman waited inside for a food order that she had placed One outside . Morris pulled her car onto the sidewalk and hit not only Smith , her boyfriend , but also a worker who worked in the area . Oh wow , I'm not sure if the person worked at Tillies or just in the area , the strip mall , but she hit both of them . She backed up over him after and then pulled forward , running him over for a third time .
Speaker 1Oh my God , that's a fair amount of rage there .
Speaker 2It's horrible . Yeah , it's really sad . Unfortunately , Smith was pronounced dead . When the fire department arrived , he was found stuck under the car still . Oh my God . Mm-hmm Morris was charged with murder , but somehow only was convicted of manslaughter .
Speaker 1Wow .
Speaker 2Yeah , I find this super offensive . Honestly , being a survivor of domestic violence , someone murdering someone on purpose should never be considered manslaughter Right . I do understand that sometimes , if a murder charge won't stick , the prosecution wants something to stick , so the murderer won't walk free , and I'm guessing that's what happened here .
Speaker 1Right .
Speaker 2Morris was sentenced to . She was sentenced last year , so this was 2022 when she was sentenced and she was sentenced to 18 years in prison , so that's good .
Speaker 1It should have been more obviously . Right , absolutely Should have been more . But I didn't realize that air tags actually had that kind of range on them .
Speaker 2Oh yeah , you could find anything on it , yeah .
Speaker 1See , I have some sort of a small tag on one of my laptops . I think Is it a tile . It's a tile right , which I didn't . I don't think it's , I don't think it has range like that .
Speaker 2Yeah , you can track it over miles and it's interesting . So this has been happening a lot in the past few years since Apple has started selling these air tags , and so they're , because they're very inexpensive they're $30 .
Speaker 1Okay .
Speaker 2So anyone can buy one pretty much and you can put it anywhere and they're about the size of like a . Half dollar or something , Golf ball , yeah something like that yeah . And but flattened and so you can slip them anywhere and like no one will know . And so it's been like you know it's been a lot of like relationship stocking , x stocking and stranger stocking Like it's . They're simple to hide , you can slip it anywhere . You know what I mean . It's very scary .
Speaker 1That is scary .
Speaker 2Now Apple has released this new feature where , like , if there's an unregistered air tag around you , like in , like , oh , but it only works for iPhones . So if you have an iPhone , it will tell you . If there's an unregistered Apple air tag around you , will it identify and you can start looking .
Speaker 1So if it is registered , will it tell you who ? No , oh .
Speaker 2Yeah , so if you like continuously have something popping up , you know like you're like being tracked but you don't know who's doing it , oh wow , but you have to find it . You know , so like you're like looking everywhere , so it's scary , it's really scary . I've also heard of this in the kind of in the opposite way . So like I know I saw a TikTok about a woman who put an Apple air tag in her daughter's bun , so she went to school on a field trip and she knew where her daughter was . Wow , yeah , I know I was like dang , like that's intense , but I am not against it . You know , like I would want to know where my child is at all times , because the daughter was like five .
Speaker 1Right right .
Speaker 2So it's like it's scary and she had like a wristlet , but like people take that off , you know .
Speaker 1Right .
Speaker 2If there are like really like taking your child , but it's in her hair .
Speaker 1That's bizarre . How would I don't even know how would you not feel that number one ? What ?
Speaker 2do you mean the daughter knew about it ?
Speaker 1Oh , the daughter knew about it .
Speaker 2Yeah , the daughter knew about it . Oh , okay , she was tracking her child . Right Just in case she got like taken .
Speaker 1Or lost or whatever .
Speaker 2Yeah , on the field trip .
Speaker 1That's actually kind of cool , right ?
Speaker 2I know it's crazy , so it's interesting like this technology can be used , like in such a negative way For good or for bad yeah but also in a positive way . It's really interesting and they do make like little wristbands for like children to be able to wear them .
Speaker 1Yeah , but like you said , if someone has an intent and they see a watch or wristband or something like that . That's but in your hair , if they get lost , it's helpful .
Speaker 2Correct , like if they walk off and get lost , then it is helpful , but if not . The second case I wanted to talk to is about Heidi Moon . She was a 31 year old mother living in Akron , ohio . Heidi had a boyfriend named Nick Mima . The two had been together for a while and then ultimately broke up in November of 2021 . Heidi's sister believes that Mima was emotionally abusive during their relationship . After their breakup , mima would return to Moon's house and threaten to kill himself . Moon would feel guilty because Mima was manipulating her into feeling that way and she would let him stay there for a while . He would leave , he would go sleep in a storage unit and then come crawling back . It's a very bad situation , very bad situation . If you're in that situation , please don't take them into your house . Do not continue the cycle . Just do not even answer the door . Call the police . In a storage unit . He would sleep in a storage unit . That's what was reported and I thought that was interesting , but it just kind of proves like he was mentally in trouble .
Speaker 1Maybe needed counseling .
Speaker 2That or like didn't have any like other support systems , so like he was just like clutching on to their relationship , which is problematic , right , it's very codependent .
Speaker 1Yeah , desperation is always dangerous .
Speaker 2It is always dangerous , right ? So Heidi's friend , dave Langsey , showed News 5 , cleveland text from Moon that had been forwarded to him from her , where Mima was quoted saying to Moon you're lucky I don't put a bullet in your bitch ass .
Speaker 1Yikes .
Speaker 2That's what he said to his ex . Wow , I know , it's really , really strange . She was obviously like not doing well deranged . Her friend and her sister encouraged Moon to report this to the police , but she did not , saying that she was worried it would make it worse . And she's not wrong for thinking that . I've had police tell me that if the person abusing you seems to be backing down or moving on when I had a stalker that it's better not to get them involved because you don't want to like reignite their obsession yeah .
Speaker 2So , however , in this case , I think that he was just too laser focused on her to back down or move on .
Speaker 1Yeah , but if you remember , there was a case of a young lady that went to school . She was in nursing school . She started dating this other man that was also in nursing school and he was jealous and slashed her tires . She didn't press any charges against him because she didn't want to get him in trouble . This would have been a felony and it would have kicked him out of the nursing school . Unfortunately , he also later ended up killing her . So sometimes reporting , regardless of how bad it may be for the person or whatever , is perhaps the safer path to choose sometimes .
Speaker 2Yeah , I know it's so tough to figure out that Hard to choose .
Speaker 1Yeah , we know which is yeah .
Speaker 2Exactly . I mean , it's nearly impossible , right ? Because when I had a random stranger stalking me and I went to court and I had the court grant a peace order , that granted me a peace order , and then it was up again in six months I was debating on if I needed to get it renewed or not and the authorities asked me like oh , was he still , like you know , contact to you ? And I was like no , and they were like then I don't recommend it because like it , could you know , just ignite his . It could ignite unwanted attention on you again . You know , because if he hasn't been reaching out , like pulling you both back to court is maybe not the best option , but it's just , it's such a it's a horrible situation to be in , obviously , and I think , I think it's just it's tough to know . Obviously it's no one's fault besides the abuser .
Speaker 1Well , I think it's important really to understand that in any kind of a relationship , right , whether the jilted party is the man or the woman in the relationship , it really is important that you take a step back and look at it and say , okay , that's fine , no , no is no , I can . There are a lot of other people in the world , right , it's not just this one person . It's important to remember that so you don't lock on to someone and do something crazy like this .
Speaker 2I feel like this is found a lot when people are obsessed with their partner , really codependent on their partner right . And they don't have a good support system Otherwise , like then they they feel like if they lose this person , they're losing everything good , Right and that's never the case .
Speaker 1It's never happened again .
Speaker 2Yeah , it's it's not the case .
Escape Toxic Relationships and Support Mental Health
Speaker 2Moon did meet with a private detective . She sat down with David Oliver on January 31st of 2022 . She explained that she kept getting alerts on her phone about an unregistered Apple air tie in her immediate surroundings . They did look and David Oliver , the PI , found it in the pocket behind one of the seats . He recommended she go to the police . She said she wanted some time to think it over and she left and that would be the last time he ever saw her . Oh no , that's four hours later she was shot to death by Mima .
Speaker 1Did she take the air tag out at that point ? And we're still in the car .
Speaker 2I think she took it out . Yeah , moon had explained that to her friend , david Lanksey , that she was scared and needed to go let the dog out at her house . Lanksey didn't want her to go alone , so he and another friend of theirs followed her to her home . She went inside that take the dog out and when she came outside Mima was right behind her holding a gun to her .
Speaker 2Oh , God yeah , lanksey started yelling at me , ma , hoping he would turn around and give moon the chance to go to run away . But Mima never turned around . He shot once missing moon . Lanksey heard moon scream , oh my god . And then Mima fired again at moon and Lanksey saw his friend fall to the ground . And then saw Mima turn the gun on himself and Lanksey performed CPR on his friend , but she later died in the hospital and so did Mima .
Speaker 1Wow .
Speaker 2It's horrible , horrible situation .
Speaker 1It is , but he missed her once , even though it was point black .
Speaker 2Yeah , I know I don't know how that happened . Oliver and Lanksey are going to create a nonprofit called the Heidi moon foundation . Their mission will be providing resources to people in troubling relationships , which is definitely Something needed like a niche that people really , really need right now for sure . I know we have really the national domestic violence hotline is 800 799 7233 .
Speaker 1Mental health , as we've discussed before , is such an incredibly important thing . If you didn't have all these people that felt so desperate , felt so , this is the only person that will ever care about me . This is the only person . This is my , this is my lifeline , right ? I think there's a lot that we have to do to discuss . There are other people there always will be other people that there is just one person for anyone , ever , and I think the sooner that men , women , whomever that are in these , you know , compulsive territorial relationships , they need , they need to get help and need to understand that there is life beyond this person . There is life beyond this relationship .
Speaker 2Right , and I also think that there's a level of Entitlement that comes along with these strange toxic relationships . I think that some people just feel like if they're not with me , then I don't want to see them with anyone .
Speaker 1That's crazy .
Speaker 2It is . It's insane and it's . It's unhealthy and Obviously , if you love someone or if you care about someone in a romantic way , you don't want them to be with anyone . Most people don't want them to be with anyone , but understanding the idea that everyone deserves to be happy and that should be like the top priority for sure it's . It's really strange and sad that people would rather take their loved ones life instead of letting them be with someone else .
Speaker 1Right doesn't make sense , right , doesn't make sense and it gets back down to a feeling of Self-worth . Right yeah , if you feel worthy , then you understand that there will be other people , there will be other opportunities .
Speaker 2It all comes back to mental health , like you mentioned
Mental Health Awareness and Reporting
Speaker 2. I think that , not only in this country , but definitely in this country , we really need to do a better job at taking care of our own mental health and also being mindful of the people around us . Like if someone is struggling , you know , letting people know who maybe are taking . Like if you're in high school , like letting your teachers know , letting your parents know , you know , oh , like this person at school maybe isn't Super safe . Or if you're in college , same thing . If you're at work , like taking the appropriate steps to report to your supervisors , you know , like . I Just think we brush things off to the side sometimes when , when they're actually like red flags , like really bad red flags for sure and I think we just need to be better about Taking care of our mental health .
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