Reclaiming Man
Episode 45 - Reclaiming Body: Just Rucking Do It Already
In Episode 45, Michael and Scott discuss the recent and anticipated future benefits of rucking - the latest addition to Reclaiming Man's strategy for Reclaiming Body.
So the french fry effect, this is fascinating actually. So you know when you get the Whopper? And you open, or the Big Mac or whatever, Big Mac, and you open up the clamshell. When they first tested this out in like the 50s. You open up the clam shell. What do you do if you were to get McDonald's right now? And you got the clam shell and the value meal with your fries
Michael:and all that. What do you do? You'd throw the ketchup and fries and the other side of the clam
Scott:shell. Yeah, exactly. But here's what McDonald's did is they opened it up and said, place fries here. And people fucking hated it. Yeah. Like they hated it. Yeah. So then they went back to the drawing board and they just didn't do anything. And what happened is everyone fucking put their fries there. And so what the French fry effect is, even if you design something that's specifically tailored to produce an outcome from somebody, if you let them think that they were the ones that were like, Oh, this is a perfect spot to dump my fries, they get the satisfaction. So in marketing, it's become this thing of what can you do to French fry people where you're getting the outcome you want from them, but you're letting them take the credit, like it was their idea. And so I think that's what, like one of the things I've been thinking about this is if you don't tell people how this will impact their life, you just describe what you did and how it impacted your life. Like they're going to take and apply that to their life in ways where they're going to feel like they did 90 percent of the work, even though they did 10 or what? So anyway, like that's what has worked so well. I think with this content is I wasn't telling people how to grow their business. I just said, Hey, here's what I did. Welcome to episode 45 of the Reclaiming Man podcast. I am your host, Scott Silvey, and not with me. Not as always Preston the Southern Canuck Radomski enough about him. He ain't here mastermind. What up, brother? How are you
Michael:so far? 2024 is Delivering on all fronts
Scott:man. Yeah, I am on fire this year. So yeah, I'm just gonna keep this rolling as long as possible I agree Just real quick Preston not with us today. He's got some family in town and had some things come up that Would have made it a challenge. I won't say on his marriage because they've got a great marriage, but he would have been withdrawing from the familial Love tank if you will by not being here tonight, so miss you buddy Hopefully you listen to this and realize how awesome of a conversation it was and We won't make you feel shitty for not being here, but you are missed. Happy birthday. Mr. 41 Preston yeah, so tell me about your year. I, know, I don't want to get too much into a year goal podcast. Cause we covered that last time, but why would you say things are off to a phenomenal start for you? What's new, what's different.
Michael:What's new this year. Came as a by product of, a book. We talked about comfort crisis and one of the activities that I think is a game changer, based on my two weeks of experience. So I can't definitively say it, but I'm very confident based on the research, based on a lot of, just get to
Scott:it. What the rock are you talking about, bro? What the rock are you talking
Michael:about? Yeah. Rucking is it. It's been a game changer. And I think it's going to continue to really elevate every area of my life from my posture. And by posture physically my posture mentally and just my approach. It changed, it shifted my perspective and I love things that changed my perspective for the good because
Scott:so what, go ahead. Sorry.
Michael:Yeah, no, I was just gonna say, because there's so many times I get in a rut of doing things that I believe are going to have a positive impact. And atomic habit, slight edge. They talk about just do the 1%, 1%. And so you're in it for the long haul and you are. Planning on compounding. And so you get into this mindset, like I'm going to, I'm going to be running every day this year, or I'm going to be working out every day this year with the exception of a day of rest here and there. But, then you have something that radically changes your perspective, comfort crisis and rucking. And so without getting into all of the benefits and advantages, I will just say that it was one of those perspective shifting types of activities that the first time I did it the reason that I knew it was so good as it instantly transported me back to the boundary waters. It instantly brought me back to portaging following my brother along these trails in northern, Minnesota with a 70 pound food pack on your back and the feeling of exhilaration and accomplishment and You know that the mini me so be I would call it because you're like, I don't know if I can make it man This is an insanely heavy pack and then you find yourself on the other end of the portage. You've completed it And you've proven that you have this level of potential that you didn't know existed. That's what I'll start with on it, but yeah, it's been a good start to the year because of that, and I also gamified in the form of just setting up tasks in my phone. Really simple, but something that Scott, you told me a buddy had done, and I was like, why don't I do, why don't I do that? And I tried it in Notion, and it wasn't as accessible. And this is, Yeah. The best part about it is that it's on a shared calendar. My wife is like, why are you supposed to be working out harder, dude? Cause that's what I wrote in there. Work out harder, dude. I was like that's the name of the game. So she sees all the things I'm supposed to be doing. And if I don't.
Scott:Call me out on it. She's your accountability buddy. Yeah. Episode 45 is going to be about rucking because why the ruck not? We'll see how many ruck replacing fuck jokes I make in this episode. There'll be, many like buckle up. It's a recall up. That one was unintentional. Oh, dad jokes. All right. Not really dad jokes cause I don't usually F bomb in front of my kids. But, yeah, working it is definitely something that is, I came into this year, we've got right in our plans in May. I've been thinking about, whether I do a half or a full or our good buddy and friend of the show, Zach, is planning a half and a full this year. Obviously Ryan Ironman has run. He just ran the St. Jude half. Michael, you run marathon? I don't think you have, right?
Michael:But you run a half? I've done a couple of halves. Yeah. Yeah. Two half marathons.
Scott:Yeah. So it was on my list of maybe I'll do this or maybe I'll get into adventure racing, like that's more my style, like a 25K, 50K sounds rad. But I've almost completely replaced running with rucking and it, and so I actually put together in notion, it's not really a task list if I could convert it to one, I would and I may end up just doing the same thing you did, which is to just set up like a folder in your reminders in your, iPhone and then set up daily tasks in there that you can check off and then clear the next week. So I may end up doing that, but I built a calendar in notion where I'm filling out my day with my essentials. To make sure I get the things done in a given work day that I want to get done. But at 5 a. m. is rock. And now I'm probably not going to rock at 5 because it's cold. So I'm more likely to work out in my semi heated. It's not heated, but it's an attached garage. So it's like radiant heated from the attached house. So I'll probably work out at five and then do my rucks at my 10 a. m. It's usually around 10 a. m. time. Yeah. Then you have sun at least. Yeah. Or at least just 15 degrees warmer. But yeah, I've completely shifted my focus from running to rucking. And we can get into a bit of maybe the why here in a second, but I agree with you, like this is the year of the rock I'm committed to averaging a 5k a day, which that's. 1, 100 and some miles of rocking this year which I'll probably just round up to 2000 cause why not? Yeah. That's
Michael:not a rounding up, but I appreciate that. And with your with your me soggy very well may.
Scott:Yeah. Oh yeah, that's true. And maybe we'll get into that too, but like for me, so I've, worked out five times this year in two days. And so I won't talk about 75 hard much because we've talked about that a lot, but I am doing a 75 hard with a plan to fail on the 19th when I go sailing and then apply to start it back up way back. But with that is a 45 minutes when I rock now it's, really interesting, right? Especially having gone through this, not a runner to suddenly, like I ran a couple of five Ks a week towards the end of the year. I did. The day before we left or the day we left for our road trip to Wisconsin to visit my wife's family for Christmas I did an eight mile rock at a 14 minute pace. So that was on a trail, right? So this was not just a perfect trail. I ate it once when I tripped on a route. Yeah, gnarly. Yeah. So to be able to go eight full miles, I've never run eight miles in my life. And now it wasn't a fast run, it was just a jog, but I've never gone that distance for that duration or that duration. And I did it with a 30 pound pack on and it was amazing. I felt a little exhausted, crampy for five minutes, but it just felt amazing to accomplish. So on the first actually on the 31st, I did a rock but it was like a 14 minute pace, just in my neighborhood. I did three miles three and a half miles. It was fine, but nothing special. And then yesterday I went out. After having worked out, and had rucked the day before, but I felt really good. And so usually what I do now is I just go out and whatever pace my body wants to go is what I go. And I'll look down and sometimes it's 14 minutes. Yesterday it was 10 minutes and 30 seconds. So if I'm going to do a 10 minute, 30 second pace and I've got 45 minutes that I've got to work out, that means I've got to do four miles. So yesterday I just casually went out and did 4. 3 miles at 10 minutes and 32 seconds pace with a Rucka, right? Six months ago, I hadn't run four miles in my life. So that's wild. Pretty
Michael:amazing. It is. Yeah.
Scott:I, but also rucking is amazing. Yeah. It's
Michael:rucking awesome. Yeah. So the past two weeks since I started it I haven't,
Scott:yeah. Tell me about what, what's so different about it for you?
Michael:What's, really different is after you ruck for a few times, then you go back to running. Right now, you feel like you're floating, so I'm doing 33 percent of my body weight.
Scott:You're doing way more than me. I'm, doing like 15 right now'cause I only have a 30 pound. Oh
Michael:Yeah Plate. You're gonna get a, you
Scott:said you were gonna get 30. I'm gonna get another 20. Yeah, I figured I'd start with a 30'cause there's my ruck, I have a goruck ruck saxon goruck.com. No affiliate links should probably get'em. And so there's two plate carriers built into the back. And so I figured I'd start with the 30 and then get the 20. And in fact, the last few days I've been like, I need to get the 20. So I'm going to order it here any day now.
Michael:Yeah. But glutton for punishment. And so I started with 50 and based on previous knowledge, I was like, Oh, I used to do 50 to 70 pounds in the boundary waters. With the backpack. Yeah. Yeah. And so I was like, give it a shot. And so right now just two 25 pound dumbbells and a backpack may or may not use it. have been like a laptop bag. So it's really not built for it. No, no chest strap, no hip strap. Yeah. Those are really big. That's a substantial change to your ability to manage the weight more and keep it tighter. And so yeah,
Scott:mine doesn't have the hip belt, but I have the chest strap and that makes a big difference between when it's connected. And yeah, it doesn't
Michael:cut off your circulation as much in your arms.
Scott:But so what you're normally like a seven to eight minute mile guy.
Michael:Yeah. But what do you do with a rock? Yeah. So today I did three miles at about a 10 minute mile pace. So that's really good. Yeah. And first of all, I love how much it makes me sweat. It makes you sweat hard and, I was in 49 degrees in my garage which is. Pretty balmy for Minnesota January 2nd, but I love that factor. It, feels like you're doing a harder workout than a run is naturally because you are. And, yeah, it just, it changes your. Your focus on your form a lot more and rucking is a different posture is so important and it's a different it's a different form than running because you don't really lean forward as much as you when you're running and so it keeps you more centered and from a technique perspective, you're not taking longer strides. You're really trying to keep your center of gravity. So it's a healthier cadence, your cadence is higher and it's what actually running. They say the optimal cadence is 180 strides per minute, which is really fast. I'm not sure if you've ever tried to do it, but that's three per second. Those are a couple of the pieces that I really like. But the, feeling. I would say I liken it to the cold plunge. You get out of the cold plunge, you feel like Superman and you finish the ruck and you feel like you're on fire. Like I want to do more. And then I'll go into some of the body weight stuff, pushups and squats. And all of a sudden you just feel so light, relatively. So
Scott:A lot of rucking exercises, which I haven't really gotten into. I did a little bit on my, I did a. A 13 mile rocker, 12. 6 mile rock the same day that Ryan did the super impressive. Yeah. That one was like 16 plus minutes, but a lot of that trail was, it was, it rained on me all day. I won't show it on camera. But as Preston said in our polo, I've got holes in my feet. And I almost did, like I had the moment of Oh, I'm going to pull this up. And then I was like, I don't know, maybe not. I, destroyed my feet, but it was also like a very rocky, like boulder scrambly style trail. So it was tough to, you weren't running at that point and it was all wet and mossy and all that. Yeah. But, I don't
Michael:think it's meant to be I don't think it's meant to be too much faster. I think any faster starting to really get into it. to the run form. And so even as I was retrospectively thinking about the workout tonight, I was like, I think it's a little faster than I really want to go. I think the ideal is probably around five miles per hour versus six. So someplace around like a 12 minute mile, maybe. So what I've
Scott:heard from people who run more than me, and I know this is one data point. Is it's about 10 pounds more for every 10 pounds you're carrying. It's about a minute slower in your mile. So if you're a seven minute mile, you should be doing 13 or in your case, if, or should you be doing 12? Yeah. So yeah, that checks out. Yeah. And ultimately that's, so I'm hoping to do a ruck with Apex guys in May or April and talk to JJ today. And he was like, yeah we're just maybe going to end up building a huge community around all of this. I don't know if they're gonna actually, it's two and a half hours from here at some point I'm gonna go rucking with those guys and, but the pace I was told to expect if we do an event is about 12 minutes. I know that's with elevation and stuff as well, but, yeah, I was pretty happy to do 4. 3 miles
Michael:at 10. Oh yeah it does feel good. And so not sure exactly what you were going to get into here, but one of the things that I've been struggling with is weight gain. And it's because I've been over. Indexing, as you would say, which I always, I stole that word from you, by the way, but yeah, I've definitely been focused on cardio because I originally started running because I wanted to have better cardiovascular health for golfing, which is the oddest thing ever. But then when I thought about rucking, I was like, this is even better because it actually simulates me carrying a golf bag. And so now I'm going to be even in better shape, but it's building a lot better muscle mass.
Scott:Yeah. You think about the strength in your core and legs and back. Yeah. It's like when I finished the 12 mile ruck, I felt that in my back for days. But now in the last three days, I've done a total of maybe 11 miles at 14, 10 and, 16 minutes. And I did a back and bicep workout today that murdered me. And we'll see how I feel tomorrow, but that'll be more from the workout today than it is from the rock. Yeah, I think the. The workout is for sure more intense. And even today, when I walked, I took a meeting that worked out perfectly. It was right about 45 minutes. So I got a little over 3. 06 miles at a 14, 18 pace or whatever it was. And, even that, right? Like I could just feel it. Like it's, a different sensation in my body. Then going for a walk, let alone going for a run. Yeah, I
Michael:have a couple of dogs, so it's I can throw on the rucksack and go take the dogs for a little, it's like a 1. 3 mile loop around it's pretty close actually to the loop that you do. Yours is a little bit longer, but I just like the fact that again, it's something that adds efficiency. To what I'm doing and you can, I normally wouldn't go on a run with my dogs cause I run too fast for the dogs, but I don't ruck too fast for the dogs. So it's flex, bro,
Scott:sick flex.
Michael:I. It's just that distance, right? We all know the dogs can probably smoke me on a flat out race sprint, right? Yeah. Yeah. They're inhumanely fast because they're not humans. But all right.
Scott:So what's the, this does tailor really nicely into my mi oggi, which is, I haven't, I don't think I've shared on the pod what I'm planning on doing, but in September, I will do attempt to the John Muir Trail, which is 211 miles from Yosemite Valley to Mount Whitney, which is the highest point in the lower 48 211 miles. And I'm gonna do it in 10 days or less. Which I've never, I've done 20 miles in a day before. I've never done two in a row, let alone 10. It's definitely possible. People have done it. But whether or not I can do it, I feel like right now there's less than a 50, 50 chance. And I'm hoping to get to a point where I feel confident that if things go well, I will have a shot. But one thing we haven't talked about at all, let alone on the show, is when are we doing a go ruck challenge? For example, the go ruck heavy, which is at least 30 pounds, 24 hours, 40 plus miles, has a 50 percent completion rate. I like that. Then the tough is 10 to 12 hours. It's a, I believe it's a, I don't know if it's a relay. It's a team event. So anyway, we got to look into this. I would love to do a go rock challenge together. Let me see how often they have them. It looks like they have them. Not at all. They have none listed for 20, none listed for 2021. I guess
Michael:we're gonna have to make our own,
Scott:right? That's always an option. I'm going to go try to, yeah, they have, well, at some point, hopefully they say they have a thousand events worldwide. So I don't know if they just are having issues or if 2024 data hasn't been posted yet. Because it is 2024, which is pretty fucking wild. But anyway, I was hoping to pull this up and be like, Oh, we should commit to one right now. But best laid plans. We, but we, yeah we haven't talked about that. I would love to do, either a GoRuck challenge or I know there's charity Rucks I've seen on the internets before. So more to come on that, but I do expect we will do a Ruck together this year, whether it's. I know we'll do one together this year, but the question is whether it's in challenge form or it's a mini Misogi where we decide to go do like our own challenge Hey, we're going to do, I
Michael:don't know, I know it's in the future. I'm not sure if it's 24 or 25 or 6, but Boundary Waters is the perfect environment you're doing it. Usually like a 55 to 65 pound canoe, and then you're usually doing that in addition to a 50 pound pack. So you're, going heavy on those usually, which is a lot of fun. And there's other elements of survival and no electricity and running water and things like that, that I think are key in the mix. I like that too. Plus it's one of the few places listed in Comfort Crisis that has the potential to have zero sound pollution.
Scott:I love that. All so I don't see anything on GoRuck events. They're having a 500 server is what I'm seeing now. So that's my guess is they just have something wrong. Hey people at GoRuck, actually, I don't want to probably work with them because they probably just have WordPress and crap and they don't want to deal with that. But I'm looking at, interesting. So there's another, RuckForMiles. com has rucking events in June, July, August, September, November, December, and they have them all over the world, but they have them almost every, tough challenge, 10 6, Pittsburgh, Detroit, Hartford, Milwaukee, Nashville, all on 10 6. Looking in November, or December, they had a tough in Charleston on the first and Galveston in Honolulu and Wilmington, Delaware on the second in Charleston. So I think there's a lot of events that we can find. So yeah, we just need to, we just need to find one this year along with the Tough Mudder. Tough Mudder in Atlanta in April and in Nashville in October, it's a 15K, so we've got to do those. But, all right, bringing it back, rocking I think we can probably wrap, but I think.
Michael:The key other things that stand out for me, just to highlight a few of them. Number one, it's accessible to anybody that has a backpack. And has a sandbag or whatever. So I like that fact about it. It's the same, the similar to running where it's as hard as you want it to be. And I like things that you can progressively get better at, make it harder, make it easier depending on the day and you can make, it's the same sort of social type of event to a guy who I met. At a conference last year who I, in the first 15 minutes knew he was just a kindred spirit based on how he was talking to me about life. I invited him to polo last week and he was telling me about a ruck club that he started with some buddies on Sunday. So somewhere at 6 a. m. He's going with a group of guys and rucking, and they start off at five miles or whatever. So there's that social component to it. It's nature, generally, if you can get outside and find some trails. So that's also something that's a huge plus for me. And it just seems to lend itself really well to increasing your form for just about every other exercise in life. So you
Scott:just touched on something there that I wanted to mention, which is So in Comfort Crisis, he talks about how we evolved as humans to go long distances at a slower pace than, say, your dog, who can run faster than you in a snapshot of time. But then carry heavy things, right? So we'd go our competitive advantage over the animals that we would hunt. Is that we could wear them out just through exhaustion because they had to stop and pant to cool down. So we would just chase them down, We might be 10, 15 miles away from home. Then we'd kill the animal and then have to carry it back, right? But also as part of kind of the explanation on rucking, he talks about how there's a big difference physiologically between running on a treadmill and running outdoors. And then there's a big difference between running outdoors on a sidewalk versus on a trail. And there's something about that connectedness with nature and that, that kind of where you have, you're forced to be present because if you don't watch every little footstep, you're going to probably face plant and hurt yourself. So to me, that is one of the things I really love about rucking is even more than running. I feel, especially when I'm out trailing, like trail running or rucking is I took a tumble and when you have a 30 or 50 pound pack on your back, it hurts more, right? And you have less margin for error on potential injury. I'll touch on that in a second, but ultimately I feel like I'm much more focused and present on what I'm doing rather than if I just go for a walk on the sidewalk, I could be thinking about anything. But getting back to injury I guess I'm going to contradict myself there. Yes, if you do fall, it's going to hurt more potentially. But, one of the reasons that I think we talked about on our comfort crisis episode, that the military in particular advocates for rucking and does a lot of training. Is you get a lot of the same cardiovascular benefits, you get more strength benefits and the injury rate when rocking is six times less than running. Oh, that was much less likely to hurt
Michael:yourself. Yeah, that was the other thing. I was gonna, I'm glad you brought that up because so a couple months back injured my calf and I've been running pretty slow building back up intentionally. I was just with discipline. I'm like, I'm running slow. I'm running slow. And yeah, yesterday was the. The first seven minute mile, I ran a few, I ran a few seven minute miles and I was just like, Oh my gosh, this feels so good. I haven't done this in a couple of months. And
Scott:we'll think of all the strength that you're not just doing to your muscles, but to your joints, your tendons, like all the, like you're putting, like when you run, you have a high impact. You don't have as high impact when you're rucking because it's more of a shuffle. So it's not like that. Exactly. And but, you are carrying around in your case, 33 percent of your body weight. So your ligaments and tendons and all of that, like they're getting more stress put on them, but not more impact. They're getting more weight. So you're strengthening them in a way that's less. Harmful to your body. Yeah. So the, yeah then you go out and run. And it's like that to me is probably why it's more interesting is I've also, as dealt with when I first started running. In fact, every time I've tried to run when I 2012, 13, 14, whatever it was, when I trained for Tough Mudder last. I didn't run it because I hurt my calf. And then when I started running again this year, I hurt my calf. And so I love this idea of part of what's great about running to your point is I get to incrementally improve, but with rucking, I don't feel like I'm, I feel like I'm exerting myself more, but I'm feeling better. Like I'm feeling strong. Like you said, I get done with a ruck like yesterday when I got done and I looked down and it was 45 minutes and I just did 4. 3 miles with a ruck. And I took that ruck off, man, I felt it's a lot like when you go backpacking, you take that pack off at the end of that long day, you literally feel weightless, but then there's like this euphoria. And I don't know if there's a dopamine hit in there, but like that sense of accomplishment. Yeah. Which which I love too. So yeah, I think all told this is the year of rucking for me. Yeah. Get the ruck out there, get the ruck out there. You ruck and rucks. But yeah I'm really looking forward to learning this game, figuring this game out with you, going on rucks with you and Preston and some of the guys. And I totally like it's for me as somebody who was a non runner, I feel like I saw people in running clubs and at the time I was like, you fucking weirdos. Mostly because I just was hiding my shame and not being able to join them. But I see like you mentioned the social benefits a minute ago and I think that's really an aspect that I'm really looking forward to is, realistically. If you just walk fast, like when I started out being wildly unhealthy, like the idea of walking a 15, 16 minute mile was impossible. Like I couldn't do it for sustained periods of time, but suddenly you start walking a couple of miles and then you're walking at a 16 minute pace. Then you throw a rucksack on and now you suddenly get to a point, maybe you're not doing that 16 right away, but you get back to the point where you're now walking with a ruck at 16. You take that ruck off and now you're, walking pace is 14 or 15, right? Like it just takes you to that next level. And I'm going to wrap with, this reminded me of my favorite Christmas purchase, which I did not get for Christmas. I purchased while at my brother in law's for Christmas. Cause he's got a gym in his basement and when you're doing like bicep isolations or specific shoulder deltoid isolations, like for me, 15 pounds sometimes is enough because I'm just doing isolating one specific muscle, but going from 15 to 20 really sucks because that's a 33 percent jump and it's hard to do while he has these little one and a half pound or one and a quarter pound things that you clip onto your dumbbell on both sides. So now you have two and a half pounds, so you can go from 15 to 17 Really smart. So it's the increment. Yeah. Yeah. So I bought those and I used them today on some of my bicep exercises, and it was amazing. Why I bring that up is, what made me think of that was just this idea of being able to do incremental improvement. I feel like for people for I won't speak for anybody, but for me as a non runner transitioning into being a runner was really difficult. Really difficult. And I think if I had been able to start with rocking and just, and to really, like nowadays if, I look at my leg muscles. They're way different, just from running. Way different than they were before I ran, because I built them.
Michael:That's the number one difference I notice in my body. Honestly. I wish, and I know it'll happen. My wife will probably hate me for saying this, but it's like my upper body, it's fine, it's in good shape, because I don't have a ton of body weight or body fat but I've never really even with last 75 hard, I looked at the day one and day 75 and I was like, yeah, I guess there's a little more definition. My face looked a little bit thinner, but I've had a tough time putting out weight, but then I looked at my, calves, from running so much and doing more, those types of that's right. That's right. So that's probably the only thing that I've truly seen physically noticeably. Different. And I think with rucking, it's going to be across my whole body. I'll start to feel that same sort of strength.
Scott:Yeah. And I think it's, you're able to do it in a way that isn't as extreme as trying to go from like couch to 5k, which is what I did. And so I love, and you can start with 10 pounds and then 15 and then 20, like there's a much smoother on ramp or gradient if necessary, particularly for someone who was wildly out of shape. Even when I had lost the first 50, 60 pounds. I was still not in shape to run.
Michael:Yeah, and I'll tell you what, I've walked 18 golfing, right? Carrying and I was ashamed because I was like, man, I thought I was in good shape. This kicked my, this kicked my ass. And so I guarantee this summer when I go out there and golf and I'm carrying, it's going to feel like a dream. It's going to be no problem. So that's a huge win for me.
Scott:Yes, sir. All right, man. Yeah I you all for listening to episode 45 of the Reclaiming Man podcast. Hopefully you learned a little bit about why. Michael and I are all in on rucking in 2024. So continue to follow along with our journey into rucking. Michael will rock more miles than me this year. I can guarantee you that. But I will rock more miles than anybody else I know. So that's my commitment to you. I know.
Michael:So far you got me beat though.
Scott:I'm at 10 and a half and you're right. If, I am, if I do 211 miles in 10 days, I'm also going to be training. So I guess we, all right, here's what we'll end with. Michael and I will keep track of our total miles rocked this year and the winner gets a better body. All right. Challenge accepted. Challenge accepted. All right. Love you, buddy. See you next time.
Michael:Yeah.