Reclaiming Man
Episode 56: Reclaiming Mind: Patience for Progress
Episode 56 re-introduces Brad Dawson as a co-host to the Reclaiming Man podcast crew and Preston, Michael and Brad discuss the role of patience and how to build it!
All right. Welcome to episode 56 of the Reclaiming Man podcast. I am one of your hosts, Preston, the Southern Canuck Radomski. And like always, I have Michael or Don Miguel, the mastermind, with me, and we have now I'm not returning as a guest, but as a kind of a recurring co host with us, we got I don't know, what are we going to call you, Brad Lieutenant Dawson, or? What are we, going to go with for your little nickname there, bud?
Brad:I can't nickname myself. That's on you, man. Yeah, we like Lieutenant. I like Lieutenant. I like the reference to Lieutenant Danko.
Michael:As long as Brad's comfortable with that.
Brad:Yep, I've got little Super Trooper Daisy Duke shorts on right now. But you can't say it.
Preston:Good. You gotta get a tattoo on your thigh, I think, now. If you're going to be wearing those.
Brad:Meow.
Preston:Yeah. Okay. Welcome, Brad.
Brad:Oh, man. Honored. When you guys reached out to me about this, I was like, yes. Hell yeah. Because I love everything that Reclaiming Man, stands for and I just love being on the show and I just want to see where we can take it and I'm excited to be with you guys and love it. You know, love it. The more Preston I can get in my life, the better.
Preston:I
Brad:agree with that
Preston:sentiment. Yeah. More podcast, less polo, as Brad would probably say.
Brad:I feel kind of bad about that. No, I get it. Harsh. Was I too harsh? No. And then I found myself driving down the road and I'm like, looking at my phone and I found me like self like missing your polos a little.
Michael:That's I feel the exact same way. We had a little bit of a divergence this year. Our polo volume went down as far as not the sound level, but the frequency of our polos. And, it's a nice to, It's nice to have the thoughts from Preston when he's driving around and doing the thing because I feel like you always have some good stuff that you're listening to and some good insights to share and plus it's just, it's really easy to take advantage of somebody else's momentum sometimes like Preston crushing on stuff and I'm like, I got to get, I got to get back in gear here. Well, and that's a real bad
Brad:His nickname is pinky because, and I always, I had to hear Brendan say this on the microphone when we were playing a show, he's cause he always has crazy ideas, you in the brain. And I love that about you. I love that about Preston because he thinks a lot like I do, and I think that's weird for me to encounter somebody else who is a visionary and a dreamer. When I see that mirrored, I'm just like, I don't know what to do, you because that's usually me.
Preston:Yeah. Well, it's well, let's go with it. Let's make these dreams come true. Exactly. Yeah, I was gonna say, I do think that, I know that because I'm out on the road fucking with my thoughts all the time that I do overwhelm y'all sometimes and I have so much goddamn dead time throughout the day where I know you like, like your job is like you're playing drums like all day and it's like you can't polo while you're playing drums then you have 20 minutes to drive where it's like I need to like decompress and it's Okay. And here's Preston with another crazy idea.
Michael:I mean, although to be fair and to interject, I would occasionally like a drumming polo. That'd be really pretty sweet.
Brad:Didn't I give you guys one? No,
Michael:you
Preston:sent one to the rodeo. You
Michael:got to send one to Michael too. Okay, I'll
Brad:do one to Michael.
Michael:Yeah, I did. Dude, I love drum cams.
Brad:They were the one that maybe I'll just set it up on a polo. I'll just get my board.
Michael:Do it.
Brad:All right. Because there was a night when they were giving us, they never do this on Broadway. Okay. They never go one more song, one more song. And for whatever reason, they were one more songing us and it was wild. And we couldn't do another song. And was it the
Preston:last shift of the night? And the bartender's no, we're going home.
Brad:Yeah. Nobody really wants to stay any longer. We've been there for hours. We've made all the money. This is we don't want to play another song, dude. It's so much different if you did an original show or whatever. Yeah, you would love that. It made me feel good.
Michael:Yeah.
Brad:But yeah, I think I sent you the polo of that, or I tried to.
Preston:Yeah, and I didn't quite know what was going on. I'll watch it again now knowing that there's that context. I think it was
Brad:the crowd doing, and that's rare on Broadway. I feel like I haven't encountered that, but like once or twice. Yeah, on
Preston:Sunday they were almost just sitting cross armed saying no more songs. That was a weird, that was a weird crowd, man. It was a weird crowd, but they were good for a while. Then they got kind of slumpy and then like they roared the last two songs. Like the young kids started coming in. It was like, Oh, well, where were you guys? But yeah,
Brad:you gotta just be down for whatever down there. Like you never know. It'll be like slamming or it'll be dead or it'll be weird. And the crowd will like, just not want to engage at all or whatever. But yeah, it was good. Enough about that.
Preston:I had a great time either way, so
Brad:Well, we might be playing again Sunday. I might have to send you guys a message to see if you can play Sunday, cause my other two bands I got on are like, can't do it. So we might be playing again this Sunday.
Preston:Dude, I'm If I figure it out tomorrow, I'm Well, Sunday's Easter, huh? That's why. We got to work, we got to work.
Brad:Yeah, I don't, holidays are out the window for me, man.
Preston:I can do Easter in the morning. Let's fucking go.
Brad:Well, fair enough.
Preston:A bit rough. Anyway, yeah. Well,
Brad:what's going on with you, Michael? How's the, you've been sleep deprived a little bit, buddy. What's going on?
Preston:Well, to Michael, like one night he just fucking went crushing it and pulled an all nighter and did super like numbers. And then what did you do last night at dinner? You just had 10 cups of coffee while chatting and then got home. It was like, well, I guess that was a bad idea.
Michael:Yeah. Well, I made some, I made the fatal comment. I was like, I feel like I've developed an immunity to caffeine. And the waiter's Great. Great. And he's just Oh, I'm sorry. I haven't kept your coffee top. And I was like, dude, I've had 10 cups of coffee. You've fed me way too much coffee. I was there from six 15 until nine, nine 30. It was late. We were there and it was anyways, it's a good piece though, as far as a lesson learned as far as like the requirement of rest, but also what you can do. When you put your mind to it, because I just said, I'm not going to stop until I get this stuff done. I can sacrifice one night of sleep to alleviate and reduce my level of anxiety a bit, because there's just stuff that was stacking up and then checking stuff off. It feels so good. And getting back to a point where you feel like, you're in front of things instead of always just reacting was huge. So that's all I'll say about that. But I think we should dive into it's actually a pretty good, Transition into tonight's topic for reclaiming mind, which tonight we're going to discuss patients a little bit and the power of patients when it comes to just, I think overall mental health with clarity. I wanted to start on this one with a quote from Joe Dispenza, which, I mean, we haven't talked about him in a while. I do a lot of guided meditations with Dr. Joe Dispenza. So. Definitely recommend taking a listen if you haven't yet, Brad, but he says that the best way to predict your future is to create it, not from the known, but from the unknown, which takes patience and a deep trust in the unseen forces that shape reality. And I mean, I think that's, I took notes on it, so it's probably not the exact quote but I was looking through and I was like trying to find something that was relevant. And when I think about why was I staying up, it was like, well, based on the past few weeks, I was sort of in this predictable pattern of every day going back into what wasn't done from the day before. So I knew this, right? I knew that it was undone. It was incomplete. And I was living in this state of basically catch up, And so everything I was doing was defined by what already happened in the past and things that I hadn't done yet to account for that. And so getting out of that it often is something where it does take time, it does take patience, but when you do it, you're then no longer living in the state where you're governed by what's happened the past week. You now are able to start creating your future based on the fact that today, I don't have an unending list of things to do, and therefore, I get to choose. I get to build, I get to create what my future looks like. And, Patience has been something that I've always struggled with. I think from a very young age, and so that's, Yeah. Topic is your is just chatting about patients and just practical ways, things that we've done or ways that it's been helpful for us or for me, I wanted to just touch a little bit on meditation and journaling. And, so you can dive in with anything that you guys think is as relevant there. But,
Brad:I can't help, but think about like when I was a kid with patients, I think it still rings in my head. And I just think of a parent saying to me. Well, you just gotta be patient and I remember hating that word. I was like, well, I want it now. Yeah. I wanted it now, and I still want it now. I mean, who doesn't? I mean, who would rather not wait? Our whole world is, revolves around convenience, but you start to learn when you get older that sometimes what comes quick, goes quick. And, I was thinking about patients and I, kind of thought, I've been thinking about this since I asked you guys about it. I'm like, oh, what would I rolling some ideas around and I thought about, maybe there's two kinds of patients, right? There's this one that you are forced to wait, and I just came up with this, but, and there's this other one where it's you have an unactive patient. It's an unactive patience, like you're not doing anything to move towards a goal. So now when I think about patience, I think about, well, I'm taking action in some form in my life, and now I'm waiting for the outcome, I'm waiting for the result. And so, I'm lucky enough now where I've found what I love to do. I've gotten sober, I'm fairly successful and I'm really proud of that. And so I have plenty to do. So what I do is oftentimes I just kind of consume myself with action. So I'm just always taking action. And so now I'm building on that. And guess what? These things that are paying me back are just also kind of rolling in. But it's from that thing that I did three months ago, the thing that I'm working on today might not pay off until Three months from now or a year from now or whatever big larger goal. I'm working towards, and so I think now I understand patients a little bit differently where I'm I know that it'll pay off in some way or another And so I just kind of keep working Yeah,
Michael:I absolutely agree with that. And that's where talking about predicting your future. It's well, when you're taking action towards something, even if it's not the exact perfect plan or the exact thing that's going to get you to complete. Financial freedom when it comes to debt or in the case of our minds, like the ability to overcome some of our own limiting beliefs or things that have held us back in the past. It's like when we're on the path, even if it's small progress, it's, I think it's more recently I heard in an AdMilat podcast with Inky Johnson about, just how much everything in this world is instant gratification. We've been training ourselves now for the past 10, 15 years to have smaller and smaller amount of time to wait to get the results that we want. And that's really, I think, hindered our ability to, to realize more that this success journey that we're on. In the process itself, of course, that patience is so much more almost important than anything else. I think is recognizing that as soon as you get on the path whether it's through a program like 75 hard day one you're not going to date day one through 10, you're not going to see this massive transformation. But by day 75, you're going to experience a pretty radical transformation in your body, and in your mind, and in all these other things. And then if you persist, when we persist beyond those initial few months, that's when those things really start to get ingrained. And I think we start to feel the acceleration. So it's just a, Yeah. Interesting. Pretty interesting. Yeah. It's like the thought of delayed gratification is something that none of us want to participate in,
Preston:Upfront or willingly, but it is one of those things that when you sort of latch on and give into it. It's just extremely beneficial in the long run because you either, well, like you've mentioned with a 75 hard program, it's like you're or any kind of weight loss or just getting healthy. It's like you're, you didn't get 30 pounds overweight. In a day or a month, it took time. Yeah.
Michael:Yeah, absolutely. And I think that's the same when I mentioned meditation a little bit earlier and I think that's one of the best ways to cultivate more patience is to sit and literally do nothing except for focusing on your thoughts. And letting those observing those thoughts, not focusing on physically what you have to do next or some scheduled event that you're supposed to attend and you get out of the, you get out of that sort of craving instant gratification mode because you're expecting that in that meditation, you're going to diverge away from that instant gratification mindset and more towards something that is patience and just Waiting and sitting in a state of, mindfulness or so many different ways that they, you can meditate, obviously, but I think that's one of the, best ways where I've experienced a good, sense of peace with the lack of, or what feels like in some cases, the lack of progress in other areas is to meditate on where I'm at and then What the to that Joe defends this quote what is the future I want to create? Because there really is any number of sort of infinite possibilities for the futures that we can create, based on our decisions. And are we going to be patient? Are we going to be persistent? And are we going to work hard enough to, to realize some of those things.
Brad:Yeah. I think patience is really a, it's really a spiritual idea or a spiritual principle too. I mean, I don't know. There's another quote that we all know it's good things come to those who wait. Yeah. And I think that as profound as that statement is, if you'd dive into that, the, I've been trying to teach my son that, that putting in work at a sport or something, you're not always going to see the result. And going back to what you said about. It's a great example, like you don't always see the growth in yourself. And it's. It can be tough because you just don't in this material realm that we live in, it's like, where's the growth, when am I going to when am I going to get mine? I remember saying this to my sponsor early in recovery. I was like, Oh, everybody's got all this stuff and they're all successful. I'm like, when am I going to get mine? And he's you already got yours. I was like, Oh man, like really, and I think we just don't recognize Oftentimes, the result, like the lagging
Michael:Yeah, that's exactly it. Because you think about the opposite of patients, inpatients, obviously, well, self evident, but what are the byproducts of inpatients generally from an emotional mental state? Usually it's frustration. Frustration leads to depression. To anger leads you. I mean, I'm second to go to Yoda on this leads to hate, suffering. No that's a Yoda quote, but,
Brad:he was wise, man.
Michael:No, it's the truth though. It takes you on this path of. Potentially outcomes and actions that are completely against what you want to accomplish, whether it's the way that you respond to something that your spouse or your kid says to you, or the way that you respond to something professionally, or in your. In work, like that's, I think so many times I'm wanting to try to push to accelerate things that don't need to be accelerated. Sure. And I thought about that today I'm driving and weather's just garbage. And my immediate thought was, as I was backing out of the driveway, I'm like, I'm not in a hurry. I'm going to drive slowly. When you were on your way home, I'm like, yeah, just take your time. There's no what are we really going to gain from an extra five minutes or having this a little bit earlier? So it's just been pressing on me. I think really a lot lately because I've shared in some of our recent podcasts, how I felt like, Oh, the beginning of this year has been a struggle. I'm like, that's okay. Just be patient with continuing to do the right things. Impressing was. I think really helpful in the past few weeks and just getting me back into the right mindset of patients and some of the other stuff I was listening to, but he was more, I think practical about it. Just, you can do this. Just get up at 5. 00 AM, do the workout, do the things that you know you gotta do start off your day. Right. And
Brad:Well, that's easy to say, right? It's so easy to say. It's so easy to say that. And then you look in your own life. And right now I just got back into the gym and I've come up with a whole new workout. That's going to fit some of this strain that was happening with my wrists from drumming. And the whole reason I kind of quit working out is I was having a wrist issues, And I let that go a little too long because it was just easy. Oh, I can't work out because my wrist.
Michael:Yeah, it's almost impossible. Don't you think it's almost impossible to talk about patience and not be kind of talking about both mind and body? I know it's like this technically this week's Reclaiming Mind, but I think it's if you don't have a strong body, your mind's probably not going to be strong. If your mind's not strong, your body's probably not going to be. So it's it's almost impossible to have the conversation to your point Brad. Not talking about the body because that's where one of those areas where patience is absolutely key
Brad:when it's all and it's all connected and let's just face it. Patience is a mental toughness. And what do you need from physical? What do you need from a workout? You need mental toughness. What do you need? Anything? And what do you need in anything? You need mental toughness and sometimes that's just being aware of it. Yeah. I think is a big is the big step towards achieving this stuff for anybody listening. That's like I was telling you guys when we were chatting i'm like, hey, you know Can someone apply these things that we talk about, I'm thinking about somebody listening to this and they're like man It's such a long way for me to go to be where these guys are at Maybe I had to think about that in recovery when i'm gonna sponsor a guy He's like man I'm, just trying to get this probation Off my back and my wife off my back and i'm trying to get you know, all this stuff You That I need to go away
Michael:right
Brad:now, I got to tell him, Hey just show up just show up the next day. How do I convince someone that like just showing up and not drinking today is like often the best advice I give the new guy and a lot of times that's just to see if he can do it. Like we're not gonna kill you dude for a week to just not worry about the probation They're not coming to get you your wife's already mad at you. You're already out of the house So why don't you just why don't you just show up to a meeting and do these simple things?
Michael:Yeah,
Brad:and then wait for God to work, right and then let God work with it And that's that trust and that patience you got to have if you have any faith at all And see, now I've built a track record so I can say through my experience that when I've waited and I put in the work, it doesn't always work out the way I thought, but all the things I wanted happened.
Michael:Yeah. I
Brad:quit drinking, the law was off of me, everyone in my family is good with me again those things fix themselves so much faster than I would have thought, and then here I am going, well, now I want the house, and I want the car, and I want the job, and I want all these things, so, patience is so, I mean, it is so, Important of like practice and I think meditation is great for it I got a my morning meditations need to really step up and I am NOT perfect by any means and I don't I definitely don't execute this thing perfectly, but
Michael:sure. Yeah. Well with you on that by no means have a 100 percent Record when it comes to meditation, I just find that when I incorporate that in and in the past I really was just like Last year, I was really, I think, efficient and good at habit stacking. So I was like, Oh, I'm going to do a sauna after the workout. And in that sauna, I'm going to do a meditation because it's just as part of the routine and then go to the cold plunge, et cetera. So there was just like that element of. As much as possible, just turning that into a habit, the meditation piece, and, again, when you're saying like, you have to have the track record in order to kind of be effective in that role, have credibility as the way that I look at it. And then I just was thinking about patients. And discipline and how related those two concepts are like discipline. You're saying, Hey, I'm going to do something for a long time that or indefinitely that I know will eventually have some really positive outcomes. And in the case of how we've talked about it from a reclaiming mind perspective, it's like, how do we get to those ideal States? Well, it's definitely. A combination of, patience, and, discipline and practicing the right types of things and being more aware of what our thoughts are. And when we have those impatient moments, like that's what do you do when you're impatient, when you're frustrated and how do you pull yourself out of that state and, remind yourself a big picture of the time equation. And I don't know, just like things that are going to, you're breathing things that'll slow you down and get you back to the point where it's okay.
Brad:That brings me to how do you start? So let's just say you're brand new to this and you found our podcast and you're maybe you're struggling and you're hearing about patients and, it's just like, how am I supposed to have it paid? Where do we start with patients? Like where, how does that look when you have none, Like what's the first step? To patients I don't know. I'm asking you guys too, because I'm like, yeah, no, that's a good question. It's a
Preston:good, I mean would, be something like just sitting by yourself for one minute in silence? Be like, An interesting way to maybe start to just be in your head like just for one minute. Just set a timer on your phone, just in a quiet room in your house or wherever, in your car. Yeah, what I've been working on in
Michael:the car, I think is the best place for most people to start I would argue is in the car, because everybody has to drive generally. And I asked myself this question, if I speed right now, how much will that impact, like the time that I actually get to. X, whether it's I'm driving to the gas station, the grocery store to work, whatever it is if I speed, how much will time will that actually get me? And so then I'm like, but I can be patient for an extra few minutes and just drive the speed limit probably takes people off. And by the speed limit, I'm talking about plus, plus or minus. Not minus plus 3 to 5 miles per hour. That's my, my, my definition of the speed limit. Let's be honest here, guys. But I mean, in a residential neighborhood. No, I'm driving underneath the speed limit. I'm going to, I'm going to coast through this neighborhood at 20 miles an hour at the tops because. I can be a little extra patient. So hopefully it gives me an extra split second to react. If some kid runs out in the street or whatever. But I think in the car is a great place because there's a lot of people who try your patients in the car and their drivers that will inflame really quickly, the sense of anger and self righteousness. Like what the hell is this guy doing? He cut me off and whatever it is, or you're in traffic and. I think it's a great place to start. Yeah.
Brad:I'm just going to say the first thing you should do is have children.
Preston:That might not have your patients that will test your patients.
Brad:Just have children. And then you'll be, you'll figure patients out.
Preston:No,
Brad:don't do that. Don't just go have kids because you want to learn spiritual ideas through them, but
Preston:they are great teachers of patients though. I mean, you bring that up and it's funny to joke about that. They try our patients and all that, but it's like, what? They are like, I mean, I've lost my patience many times with my children and I've done extremely well with them many times too. And it's there are both great learning experiences when you kind of are that way with your kids. I mean, you guys are both dads like you've had moments that you like can brag about and moments that it's fuck, I'm not going to talk about that shit ever again. That was not handled well,
Brad:but I think I was thinking about the times where I had to be the most patient, my past is riddled with quite a few. And I'm not shy to talk about that in my as a reason I got sober and, jail will teach you some patience boy. I mean, but I think about, but I
Michael:think also not recommended, right? I mean no,
Brad:like I've done all I've gone on ballot, all the hard ways to learn. I mean, just a hard head. And I've been that way my whole life, but. I've obviously changed a lot but I think about those times and there was a time where I did the most time that I'd ever done And it got to a point where I was actually some of the best like It's crazy to say this. I think I probably said this on my one of my other podcasts is like I had the most clarity and I felt the most spiritually connected this one particular time I was arrested because I was going to bible study every week and I had a routine and It was like I was able to do it I was able to do it and I, all those other distractions were like out of my life and I look back on it and I'm like, man, so I can almost recreate that and learn from that and go sometimes I have to simplify my life if I can simplify my life and get focused on what the things that are that really matter, patients will come from peace. So if I can get some peace, and I can get some serenity in my life, then I find patience isn't as hard, because I'm just okay. I find myself just being more okay, and patience will come a little more natural, and I don't have to force it. It's not as much of a struggle. I'm the most impatient person. I'm far from the person that's yeah, I got all the patience in the world. No, that's not me. Right. I try not to tell myself that today, right? It's just, I say that because it's like my nature tends to be of that in my personality. And so that helps me to know when I get into situations, if I can plan ahead, Hey, I'm going to be sitting here for a long time. If I'm on a flight, I get really impatient when I fly. And I like, I got to have certain movies downloaded or certain types of shows and a book or something like I have to just plan.
Michael:Oh, that's another great place to practice patience though. I mean, yeah, think about when you're loading a plane, like everyone just lines up and waits in a line and. I don't know who the quotes attributed to, but talking about patients, it's not wait, it's not just waiting. Right. It's just how you act while you're waiting. So some people are just like, you can tell they're visibly upset and frustrated and stressed out about having to wait to board that plane. And so the one thing that I do to like to practice patients is I just. Don't board the plane, no matter what group I'm in, I just wait and I'm sure someone be like, Oh, you're going to lose your overhead spot space or whatever. I'm like, I don't bring a carry on. So I don't care. I just sit and wait until it's like the last call. And then I walk down the jetway and I'm sure people well, it doesn't cause anybody anxiety. I'm sure except for yeah. For most people,
Brad:except for the middle seat, you have to take, you just ruin their hopes. You ruin their hopes of having a middle seat open. Yeah. You gotta be that guy. Hey yeah. I'm gonna go ahead and take that.
Michael:I like to think that I ruin their hopes a little bit and then they're like, yeah, but he's pretty skinny, so at least it's not the worst. Could be.
Brad:You know what I do sit there. I try to talk I try to talk to people. Like I'm such an extrovert though. And if I'm sitting in a line with somebody and I'm staying in a line, I remember the last flight I went to Vegas on to go play with Mike and I was like standing there and I was like, see 25 because I didn't check in and per usual, I always forget to check in and I'm like, dang it. And I'm sitting there and I just, can't help myself and I just start making a joke. I like made a joke about being like, well, we're the hated people that are going to take the middle seats and everybody's laughing and I'm That's like my coping mechanism is I just make a joke, like talk to people, make a joke, everyone starts laughing and then before you know it. We're on the plane and it's not so bad. Well,
Michael:that's exactly it. So that's what I was just talking about. How you act when you're waiting. If you can turn that into lightness and into something that makes people laugh all of a sudden that stress that people probably at this point have habitually subconsciously been carrying with them whenever they have to wait in line for anything, you immediately diffuse some of that. So that's pretty good.
Brad:I know Michael, you've had experience with it too, but I just, you know me, I just always will refer back to AA cause it changed my life, but there's a really famous quote and I'm going to try to just look it up because I don't want to get it wrong. And it's. Patience I think was really connected to acceptance, right? And that is another principle that is that I feel like we need to possess to Grow for growth like we've got to practice acceptance And it says acceptance. It's page 417 from the big book valcox anonymous Acceptance is the answer to all my problems today when I am disturbed It is because I find some person someplace something or situation some fact You Of my life, unacceptable to me. And I can find no serenity until I accept that person, place, thing, or situation as being exactly the way it is supposed to be at this moment. Nothing, absolutely nothing happens in God's world by mistake. Until I could accept my alcoholism, I could not stay sober unless I accept my life completely on life's terms. I cannot be happy. I need to concentrate not so much on what needs to be changed in the world and those around me as on what needs to be changed in me, my attitudes, and my perception. Deep. Yeah. I feel like that could be another podcast. I'm just gonna drop the microphone right there. Right, right. We'll just marinate on that, but man, that's such a good line. That is. Oh, yeah.
Michael:Yeah, I totally agree. And I feel like we're going to have to dive into that too. And then patience part two. So y'all are going to have to be patient and wait for the next episode. That's right. All right. You're
Brad:going to have to wait for that.
Michael:Yeah. Oh, man. Preston, current events.
Brad:Let's talk about this boat that ran into the bridge. I saw that coming. I was like, I hope he's going to, well, not I hope. I wonder
Preston:if he's going to talk about that. I mean, it's just like right now it's today is what? March 25th, 26.
Brad:What I know. Well, Preston you recap for people. If they don't know.
Preston:Well, yeah, if you don't know like this. Was it a cargo liner ship or something like that? Like one of those big ships that haul all like the semi truck cargo things, leaving Baltimore. And, from what looks like on the video, it's coming out of its, out of port or whatever. Lights go off I don't know if it loses power, and sort of ends up steering like a hard almost 90 degree angle and just drives right into this bridge and takes the whole thing out. It's fascinating, Vito, to watch. I've seen a few angles of it. Oh, I mean,
Brad:the bridge comes down like it's made of toothpicks.
Preston:Yeah, well, I mean, that thing's got a way you'd think how many tons that ship is. It's like that bridge's done no chance. But no. Can you imagine?
Brad:Oh, go ahead. Sorry.
Preston:No, go ahead.
Brad:I was just gonna say, can you imagine driving on the bridge? I mean, cars are passing. I'm watching it going.
Preston:Oh, yeah. Some went into the river or the bay or whatever, right? Oh, well, yeah, dude. I mean, that water that's Baltimore. Six
Michael:people. Yeah. Water, freezer. Six people that are part of a road construction crew. Oof.
Preston:Jeez.
Michael:Brutal.
Preston:But it's just weird. I've been hearing all these conspiracies about it being a potential cyber attack. Oh, yeah. I mean, it could just be, I mean, I don't know if it's like what you would call user error, pilot error, captain error, because I mean, it's just, it just seems so like, how did they not like the amount of mom, I guess you'd have to have that much momentum to get the thing going out of the Harbor, but
Brad:They take, a lot from no one being my dad was a boat captain, not on big ships like that, but it takes a lot to slow. So, I mean, they got a plan for slowing down way ahead of time, but
Preston:does a ship like that not have a tug taking it out? I guess maybe not. Yeah,
Michael:I think, yeah, you're right. Some, do, but I think in this case it was under its own power. And what I, read here is The ship lights flickered and it veered off course before it hit the bridge, but I don't necessarily believe it because it's the news I'm just kidding. Yeah, I mean you said put on the tinfoil hats and i'm just like well Conspiracy, what's the way to spin that? Yeah, maybe this is just
Brad:news They're gonna have a field day with it, of course because it's an opportunity, but
Michael:yeah I
Brad:don't know what else to say on it. I mean It does just kind of make me think well, hey, man Anything can happen at any given moment, and you could be driving along that bridge and it could be you. Yeah. So,
Michael:yeah,
Brad:I don't know. I, that's what I go to thinking is like
Michael:Yeah, kinda with you on that. Things happen
Brad:as safe as we feel like we are today and as fail safe, as many fail safes as we have, and redundancies and things to avoid stuff like this, I mean.
Michael:Yeah, still less bridges in my future. Yeah.
Brad:Yeah.
Michael:Right. I actually was really close to the I drove over a bridge that collapsed in Minneapolis several years ago. Gosh, 14 years ago, 15 years ago, it was and 1 of our bridges collapsed kind of out of nowhere. It wasn't a boat that hit it. So, but thankfully I wasn't, yeah, thankfully I wasn't on it. I didn't know too many. I didn't know anyone who was on it. So just wild. But yeah. Yeah, I definitely think that when I was reading the brief articles about it, I mean, they're pretty fortunate that there were only eight total people on the bridge when it was hit. Because that's actually not to make light of it, but I mean, that's could have been way worse.
Brad:Well, yeah, it happened at 1 30 in the morning or something. So, oh, yeah, that makes sense. Which is from what I heard, I think if I don't know if I have that correct or not, but I think it was at my life group actually earlier. Yeah, my guys from church and one of the, his buddies lived in Baltimore and was driving and was going to be, he was traffic stopped because he was going to be crossing the bridge. Yeah. Oh, really? Yeah. He was like, he said his brother, I mean, that's all he really knew that his brother was going to cross the bridge and then traffic all stopped. I don't know how far he was from the bridge, but wow. That's crazy. There's a, another not to segue if you guys aren't finished on that, but no, that's, there's another current event that I wanted to bring up. I was listening to Jordan Peterson's podcast today. Get some inspiration for tonight, but I just clicked on one that had nothing to do with anything that we're talking about today, but I got hooked in because it's Jordan Peterson, and I can't help but continue to listen to him when he's. On any of his episodes. And he brought on this guy, Dr. Brett Weinstein, and they were discussing the migration crisis. And what's happening at what's called the Darien gap. You guys are familiar with the Darien gap?
Preston:Sounds familiar. I feel like I've heard it been mentioned before, but I don't know what it is.
Brad:All new to me. I'm often times sheltered from I've sheltered myself from a lot of news because I just, it's just depressing, or I don't know if it's true. Honest reporting anymore, but with its joy jordan peterson. I feel like I trust so He brings this guy on and they're talking about the darien gap. Well, did we lose michael?
Preston:No, he's probably not doing something. Maybe just okay So real
Brad:quick the darien gap is this 60 mile stretch of terrain
Michael:Huh
Brad:in Through a jungle
Michael:in
Brad:panama and apparently all these organizations around the world are You Kind of behind or they're endorsing this migration this mass migration,
Michael:okay yeah, some of the
Brad:migration groups are even like endorsing it and What's happening is that all these people are migrating and they're not all just Panamanian or South American they're Middle Easterners. They're Chinese people are making it to yes Panama so that they can find this access into ultimately the Americas the Western world or to you the United States
Michael:yeah,
Brad:and This path is treacherous. Like not just to mention physically treacherous, it's 60 miles through a jungle, but it is a unmonitored, unregulated sort of no man's land in Panama, where once you begin to take the trip, if you can even track it physically, you are raped or robbed by cartels of any money that you have, and. These other countries once you get through that say you get through that and you're gonna have to go through costa rica Well,
Michael:yeah
Brad:where in the past the borders had all been controlled. They're now just letting them pass which is A new thing these borders were never Open to people just passing through and so there's a whole nother podcast could be on this but I just kind of want you guys to maybe listen to that and it's super interesting and just It's interesting because this guy has he has more of a progressive viewpoint than jordan does You And so I love that about his show and these guys are really in agreement on a lot of the humanitarian issue that this presents. And sure. I have a guy
Preston:was a, he was a professor in Washington state or Oregon like an extremely progressive school. And he got he got fired for they used to have this thing this day, it was called day without. It was like a day without black people at school or something like that. To recognize, just to recognize them. And then one year the black people were like, all right, well now we're coming to school and white people aren't allowed at school. And the professor was like, well, that doesn't make any sense. And he showed up and the whole school like protested him. And it was a big, he was on Rogan like years ago. It was like this huge event that was like. Wait, what's going on? Like it was bonkers. Bizarre.
Brad:Yeah. And I just, man, that podcast just had me thinking
Michael:and I haven't even gotten to take a listen because yeah, I love his stuff sometimes is, I mean, candidly, sometimes those long form conversations, they're hard for me to fit in time wise, but every time I do, I find that they're so good. So this one's good. And this one's good
Brad:because it's not. Really about what he's usually talking about it doesn't have a lot to do with psychology or some of the, I mean, he talks about a lot of different things I'm learning, but yeah, but it just, I had no idea this was going on.
Michael:Well, I'm going to check it out. Thanks for bringing it up..
Preston:Well, thank you all for coming out for episode 56 and for, I guess Brad's first inaugural episode as an official cohost with the boys and whether you're listening in the morning or the evening on a Monday or a Sunday, enjoy your weekend, you want to. You want to send a send off to anybody brad on your first goodbye there to everybody
Brad:first I want to thank my lord and savior jesus christ for giving me the opportunity to walk the walk man now preach No, but I just want to thank you guys for giving me an opportunity. I've really wanted to podcast and you guys have given me that opportunity. So here's you know, if you think about I manifested it. I look at it I really thought about it. I was like, I want a podcast. I want to do this. I thought about it for a year and here I am. So I want to thank you guys for being a part of that, that, making this a reality for me and, yeah, I think look forward to having some more great conversation about what's going on in the world and also about reclaiming. Reclaiming man and what that all means I want to bring on some really good guests. And I think there'll be some people that I have in my circle that since we're doing this remotely, We might get, I got some pretty cool people I've run into in my life that I think, my cousin did a bunch of time in prison and I just, I find that there could be a lot of, just successful musicians even, the guys I was telling you about before Christians that I've gotten to know and just a ton of really awesome people. And I just think bringing these ideas and here and there. Insight to what reclaiming man is will be super cool and maybe even talking about some controversial stuff. I was talking with Michael about that, yeah. So anyway, I'd say that maybe. Definitely. Yeah. Yeah. Let's touch on BA based on some of that stuff. Anyways, I appreciate you guys and thanks for having me on the show. I look forward to the next one.
Michael:Appreciate you too. Thank. All right, gentlemen.
Brad:Sounds good. We'll stop this.
Michael:Wait,