The Regular Guys Bible Study
John 8: 1-30
Ever asked yourself why the story of Jesus and the adulterous woman is so significant? The Regular Guys Bible Study Podcast is back, bringing you an episode where we tackle these puzzling questions head-on. Together, we'll dissect the intricate components of this narrative, touching on the contrasting roles of disciples and apostles and breaking down Jesus's response to the Pharisees' accusations.
Have you ever imagined what it would be like if light, a fundamental human need, was personified? As we journey through this episode, we'll illuminate Jesus' profound statement of being this essential element. We delve into the complex themes of judgment - from judging by the flesh to judging according to God's will, opening up a world of enlightenment and reflection.
But we won't stop there. We'll engage in a robust discussion on Jesus and Jewish beliefs, particularly focusing on Jesus' encounter with the adulterous woman and the intriguing absence of the man involved. You'll be at the edge of your seat as we speculate on Jesus's location in John 8, and whether he had moved from the Treasury. So, brace yourself for an episode filled with thought-provoking conversations and fresh perspectives on biblical stories that you thought you knew like the back of your hand. Get ready, this is one ride you won't want to miss!
Ever asked yourself why the story of Jesus and the adulterous woman is so significant? The Regular Guys Bible Study Podcast is back, bringing you an episode where we tackle these puzzling questions head-on. Together, we'll dissect the intricate components of this narrative, touching on the contrasting roles of disciples and apostles and breaking down Jesus's response to the Pharisees' accusations.
Have you ever imagined what it would be like if light, a fundamental human need, was personified? As we journey through this episode, we'll illuminate Jesus' profound statement of being this essential element. We delve into the complex themes of judgment - from judging by the flesh to judging according to God's will, opening up a world of enlightenment and reflection.
But we won't stop there. We'll engage in a robust discussion on Jesus and Jewish beliefs, particularly focusing on Jesus' encounter with the adulterous woman and the intriguing absence of the man involved. You'll be at the edge of your seat as we speculate on Jesus's location in John 8, and whether he had moved from the Treasury. So, brace yourself for an episode filled with thought-provoking conversations and fresh perspectives on biblical stories that you thought you knew like the back of your hand. Get ready, this is one ride you won't want to miss!
Hi, you are listening to the Regular Guys Bible Study Podcast. We are your host, ken and Steve, and we are just Regular Guys studying the Bible.
Speaker 2:Not theologians hey.
Speaker 1:Ken. Hey Steve, How's it going? I'm good. There's loud music coming in. Yeah, you look a little tired. You know what I feel a little tired? I think it's because it's been a rainy day.
Speaker 2:We sure do need the rain.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we do need rain. I mean, we both you and I both are a very small percentage in this in the US. We both live off of rainwater only.
Speaker 2:That's right, and I have never had a truck come, except for when we first built the tank.
Speaker 1:Same, but we haven't had ours very long.
Speaker 2:So, I'm going on seven years now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm going on what? Two months, three months, something like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So I don't have much to go on, but careful there, Steve.
Speaker 2:We got a runner. The mic is making a run for it, all right.
Speaker 1:Well, thanks for coming back, guys. We are going to look at John chapter eight. Today. We have been doing full chapters. I believe we're going to go about halfway though, for John chapter eight to about chapter. I mean verse 30.
Speaker 2:So technically, I think we're going to start with seven verse chapter seven, verse 53.
Speaker 1:Ah, yes, so I was going to ask you about that. Do you want to do that section?
Speaker 2:So it's interesting. It says that the earliest manuscripts do not include 753 through 811. Right, and yet there are other places that will point that out and they don't include it. So I'm curious why this one was included and other spots are not.
Speaker 1:My only guess is that when the ESV was originally put together, they did not have that information.
Speaker 2:And you think that these notes were added?
Speaker 1:later versions? Yeah, that's my guess, but I don't know. You know what? This is one of those cases where I wish they had some easy way to research stuff.
Speaker 2:I had an idea once if you could just type in a question somewhere, maybe a type Like a typewriter, a magic typewriter. Magic typewriter. You type in a question and it gives you back an answer.
Speaker 1:That would be pretty cool, man Huh, I'm going to have to Google that to see if that exists. That's a great idea, all right. Well, let's get started. Steve, this and that story the story is actually a very famous story.
Speaker 2:I think it is.
Speaker 1:In fact, there are a lot of illustrations. In fact, our pastor used this illustration this last Sunday.
Speaker 2:This one.
Speaker 1:He referenced this story about Jesus drawing in the sand.
Speaker 2:I must have missed that.
Speaker 1:You're probably sleeping when you get your age and you sit in a pew, your head just nods back.
Speaker 2:First service or second? Maybe he didn't do it in the second.
Speaker 1:Oh, it was first service.
Speaker 2:I was serving in the first service.
Speaker 1:You know what I was doing during the first service Falling asleep in the pew. No, I was listening, all right. Why don't you read this passage, which might or might not be an original story?
Speaker 2:They went each to his own house. Hold it.
Speaker 1:Who what happened? Let's talk about what just happened. That's a good question.
Speaker 2:He's talking about Pharisees. I'm guessing this must be the disciples they're talking about, because we didn't finish it, but Jesus went to the Mount of Olives. To me that sounds like he went to the Mount of Olives by himself, which means his disciples went home because they're in Jerusalem.
Speaker 1:You don't think the 12 went with him To Mount Olive. Yeah, I don't know the scripture is ambiguous sometimes about the word disciple, because the 12 are also disciples, but they are the 12.
Speaker 2:They're also apostles.
Speaker 1:I think that word comes later, because all the disciples here are apostles, because to be an apostle you have to witness Christ.
Speaker 2:You have this look on your face like I thought there were only the 12 apostles and you're saying that everyone that is a disciple of him here is an apostle.
Speaker 1:I'm saying that to be an apostle, you had to witness Christ on earth, and that's why Paul calls him himself an apostle and like what does he say? As one abnormally born because of the way in which Christ presented himself to him.
Speaker 2:But that would mean there's still a lot more than just the 12.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but there might be okay, I don't know, steve all the rules of apostle versus disciple, but I know that you have to have witnessed Christ to be an apostle. Alright, well, let's go on. Yeah, why don't you?
Speaker 2:read now. They each went to his own house, but Jesus went to the Mount of Olives. Early in the morning he came again to the temple. All the people came to him and he sat down and taught them.
Speaker 2:The scribes and the Pharisees brought a woman who had been caught in adultery and placed in her in the midst. They said to him Teacher, this woman has been caught in the act of adultery. Now in the law, moses commanded us to stone such women. So what do you say this? They said detest him, that they might have some charge to bring against him. Jesus bent down and wrote with his finger on the ground. And as they continued to ask him, he stood up and said to them Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her. And once more he bent down and wrote on the ground. But when they heard it, they went away one by one, beginning with the older ones, and Jesus was left alone with the woman standing before him. Jesus stood up and said to her Woman where are they? Does no one condemned you? She said no one, lord. And Jesus said Neither do I could condemn you. Go and from now on send no more. All right.
Speaker 1:Thank you, Steve.
Speaker 2:You're welcome, Ken.
Speaker 1:Oh man, this is. It's a pretty cool story. What one question I've always had about this story is what did he write on the ground? No, um, because I think it's evident that it meant something to the people who were not without sin around him.
Speaker 2:Okay, then I'm going to guess it's why didn't they bring the man that was caught in adultery?
Speaker 1:Um, I'm not. No, that's not my question either. Here's my question, because they had different standards. That's why, um, my question is this do you think the woman had just been caught? Or did they know about this woman and said Jesus is here, let's bring her out?
Speaker 2:I think it's irrelevant. An elephant irrelevant. No irrelevant, it's your elephant.
Speaker 1:Ken, and it's in the middle of the room. Okay, you think it's irrelevant, it is irrelevant, but it always makes me wonder. Because they're just trying to trap it? I guess God could have also just allowed this woman to be caught, because it's time for Jesus to to say this Everything's orchestrated. Yes, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:Well, I still think it's pretty unfair that they want to stone the woman. But who cares about the guy? Hey, the guy, because it's probably one of them.
Speaker 1:Yeah could have been yeah, and I don't know what the Jewish law was for the guy. I'll bet it wasn't stoning.
Speaker 2:I bet it is.
Speaker 1:You think so. The laws were very different for men and women.
Speaker 2:If only we had that magic.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, why don't you search for that? Steve, while I say some stuff, don't type too fast. Sometimes those keys get stuck. Anyway, one thing that I noticed and it's something I always notice, this, but I always forget it, I'm so quick to forget but Jesus does not condemn her before. I mean, she has not said said, please forgive me, I am a sinner and I need, I'm repenting, right, she has not said these things Correct. And Jesus says first asked has anyone condemned you? And she says no, no one. And she says he says neither do I condemn you. Then he says go and from now on send no more. If I were in Jesus's shoes sandals I would likely say all right, are you going to keep doing this?
Speaker 2:You told me to look it up.
Speaker 1:No, no. I'm telling you what Jesus, telling you what the Ken Jesus would have said, I would have said to her are you going to keep doing this?
Speaker 2:And I got you.
Speaker 1:Because if you are, then you know, be gone with you. If you're not, okay, then I don't condemn you. But that is one of the cool and awesome things about Jesus is the forgiveness of sin. While we are still sinners, we have that forgiveness before. All right, did you find something?
Speaker 2:I found something, but it was a really long article and it was going on and on about the various punishments of like burning or stripping, and the husband could wave the punishment because it was a sin against him. But that's not biblical, it's long. All right and I couldn't listen to you and read at the same time what is wrong with you. I'm a man.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:I cannot multitask.
Speaker 1:And you know what, even though this is the regular guy's Bible study, we should have one of our, one of our wives. Hold it. How do you say that? Because we don't have multiple. How do you say it? One of our wives?
Speaker 2:I think you had it right. The first no I think it's one of our wives, one of your wife's. What?
Speaker 1:One of either your wife or my wife.
Speaker 2:There you go.
Speaker 1:And like look stuff up for us and and could submit to us, Well, what we do.
Speaker 2:So you know I don't want to diss my wife too much here but, she's not that technically savvy. She would need the magic typewriter.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I understand. You know my wife would have more questions than answers. I'm sure, and I think we're lucky that our wife, neither one of our wives is going to listen to this. That's right, so we're safe.
Speaker 2:Oh gosh, I think if one of them were here, they'd be talking a lot more than us.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're right about that, that would not work. That would certainly not work. All right, all right, any more on that story.
Speaker 2:No, I think that's it for me.
Speaker 1:All right, you want to go on to the next story? Then you want me to read that section. Sure.
Speaker 2:I'd love for you to read the next section.
Speaker 1:Again, jesus spoke to them, saying I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will not walk in darkness but will have the light of life. So the Pharisee said to him you are bearing witness about yourself. Your testimony is not true. Jesus answered even if I do bear witness about myself, my testimony is true, for I know where I came from and where I am going, but you do not know where I come from or where I am going. You judge according to the flesh. I judge no one. Yet even if I do judge, my judgment is true because I alone who judge? But I and the Father who sent me.
Speaker 1:In your law it is written that the testimony of two people is true. I am the one who bears witness about myself, and the Father who sent me bears witness about me. They said to him therefore, where is your Father? Jesus answered you know neither me nor my Father. If you knew me, you would know my Father also. These words he spoke in the treasury, as he taught in the temple, but no one arrested him because his hour had not yet come. So he said to them again actually, why don't we stop there? That's a good spot to stop, even though it's not a little title.
Speaker 2:All right, I have a question for you. Yeah, go ahead. If I asked you what a person's basic needs are, what would you list?
Speaker 1:Food okay, water okay, shelter okay, that's it.
Speaker 2:So if you look it up, it's food, water, clothing, shelter and sleep, but I think they take for granted life. I mean light, because without light you go crazy. You will eventually go mad if you're trapped in a pitch black box.
Speaker 1:Why do you say that Blind people cannot see light?
Speaker 2:Oh, that's a good point, but I think if you were in a cave with no light, you go crazy.
Speaker 1:There are stories of people being trapped in a cave. For how long were those miners in a cave? Like 40 days or something, with no light.
Speaker 2:Did they go crazy?
Speaker 1:Okay, I don't know the end result. I know they were rescued.
Speaker 2:Okay, I don't have a lot of basis for saying light is one of the basic needs, but I bring it up because you said food, jesus is food. You said water, jesus quenches thirst. You said shelter. We haven't gotten there, but there's a place for us in his father's house.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and he also references as our stronghold, which is shelter.
Speaker 2:And he is also the light of the world. He provides light.
Speaker 1:But the light, see? I don't buy this, steve. The light is not a basic necessity.
Speaker 2:Yeah, now that you bring up blindness, I kind of agree with you, but still it feels good, okay, well you know you have to have the sun.
Speaker 1:It does feel good.
Speaker 2:Without the sun, we'd all be dead.
Speaker 1:That is true, both suns. Which sun are you talking about?
Speaker 2:The UN one.
Speaker 1:Okay, yes, SUN.
Speaker 2:Not the United Nations, but the SUN sun.
Speaker 1:The, yeah, the star in the sky. Yep, All right. When it talks about the light of the world, it's really referring to, about shedding, like it talks about shedding light on the darkness so that you know all the evil can be seen. So it brings evil out of the darkness and into the light, which it's really not about living, it's just about exposing. It's about exposing evil.
Speaker 2:So it's mid-October and I happened to watch a movie yesterday where they were saying go into the light. And then the parents screamed no, don't go into the light.
Speaker 1:Were you watching um Poltergeist? Okay, wow, that's an old movie it is.
Speaker 2:It was so 80s yeah.
Speaker 1:And the light was a trick Right.
Speaker 2:Well, it's confusing because at one point she says don't go into the light and at the other point she says go into the light.
Speaker 1:There's a Simpsons episode where they mocked that or spoofed that and a similar thing happens. I don't remember who is in the TV.
Speaker 2:But in any case I don't think we can take the movie Poltergeist as a good reference for the afterlife.
Speaker 1:Well, that's really deep, that's Okay. Oh man, what are we doing, steve?
Speaker 2:Not very well. Okay, all right. What else?
Speaker 1:about this upper, this first section.
Speaker 2:So we were. You mentioned this earlier, before we started. But he says you judge according to the flesh. I judge no one. Yet even if I do judge, my judgment is true, for it is not I alone who judge, but I and the Father who sent me.
Speaker 1:Yes, and two chapters earlier, I think was it chapter six.
Speaker 2:Where does it say and six, he says, is flesh, is the bread of life.
Speaker 1:He says that I judge.
Speaker 2:I thought you'd be already with this, yeah you would think so yeah. I suppose you could edit this podcast.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I could, but that's a lot of work, it takes time to do that. Maybe it's in five. Ah, in chapter five, verse 30, he says I can do nothing on my own. Okay, now this is interesting because, okay, he just said he doesn't judge anyone. But if he did judge blah, blah, blah. In chapter 5, verse 30, he says I can do nothing on my own. As I hear, I judge and my judgment is just because I seek not my own will but the will of him who sent me.
Speaker 2:So I guess I guess that's also a part where he's talking about who's witnessing.
Speaker 1:I know it's it's. It's interesting how it relates back to the witnessing about himself again.
Speaker 2:But I think that other section was in Galilee and now he's in Jerusalem.
Speaker 1:Yes, but and I was thinking that it was a little controversial because he was saying that he did judge and now he's saying he doesn't judge. But when I read back, when I read that again, it's it's really saying the father judges and I'm just doing what he says. My, my judgment is really the father's judgment. Yep, so I think that is. I don't think he's contradicting himself at all. So I was confused on that for a little bit, but now I am not. Now, what do you think about this? Because he is. You know, the Jews are saying you know, how can we trust you are who you say you are Right Because you're, you're bearing witness about yourself.
Speaker 2:There's also like 300 prophecies that can be applied to him.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Which they're not recognizing any of.
Speaker 1:Also, john the Baptist had already testified in in Jesus as who Jesus is.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:And so now I can see how they would be blind to the prophecies, because I mean not everything's obvious.
Speaker 1:Not everything's obvious, just like today. I mean, people want to say we're in the last days, I don't know. Sometimes it looks like that, right, but who knows, if you were, I guarantee you this, if you were in Germany and you were a Jew in the 19 and around 1940, you thought Jesus. And well, if you believed in Jesus, you thought he might not be. You thought he might be coming back then because that was horrible, right, that was talk about in times material, yeah. So you know there are horrible times. The times seem to be getting worse in general, instead of just an event.
Speaker 2:So yeah maybe it is. The whole thing with Israel and Gaza could get a lot worse before it gets better.
Speaker 1:Yes, and if you hear this before Hamas attacks Israel, then you know that's how they hear it.
Speaker 2:It's not possible.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm trying to say. It's not possible.
Speaker 2:Okay, Ken, you are tired.
Speaker 1:No, I was trying to be funny, but I'm not.
Speaker 2:Okay. So I did see one other thing in here. These words he spoke in the Treasury as he taught in the temple. So previously it said he came to again to the temple and sat down and taught them. Is the Treasury in the temple? I?
Speaker 1:assumed it's another room.
Speaker 2:It feels like he changed rooms, doesn't it?
Speaker 1:Yeah, it does seem like that. Maybe they asked him. It's probably a little more of a private room for the Pharisees, some of the higher up, because he's not in the middle of the temple talking with everybody. Here he's talking. I think he's talking just with the Pharisees and the higher up in the clergy of the Jewish temple. Could be All right.
Speaker 2:so oh, I just had a thought, yeah that's a first. If they had caught the woman in adultery? Yeah, they wouldn't be allowed to bring her into the temple, would they? She would be considered unclean or whatever. Right?
Speaker 1:I think the outer courts right. Anybody could come to the outer courts of the temple, but they it's my understanding there are different layers of the temple and the outer area. Even Gentiles could come in, but then as you got further in it was more, more rigorous, or Well, there's the final spot. Only the high priest, only the high priest could go in, and he could only go in if he had a rope tied around him so they could pull him out of. God struck him dead.
Speaker 2:Yep, Okay, I have to ask why do you keep messing with your phone, Ken?
Speaker 1:I'm looking up stuff.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay. Okay is that okay with you, steve Sure, I'll go ahead and read the next section.
Speaker 1:Yeah, why don't you do that you?
Speaker 2:play games on your phone, okay. So he said to them again I am going away and you will seek me and you will die in your sin. Where I am going, you cannot come. So the Jews said will he kill himself? Since he says where I am going, you cannot come? He said to them you are from below, I am from above. You are of this world, I am not of this world.
Speaker 2:I told you that you would die in your sins, for unless you believe that I am he, you will die in your sins. So they said to him who are you? Jesus said to them just what I've been telling you from the beginning. I have much to say about you and much to judge. But he who sent me is true and I declare to the world what I have heard from him. They did not understand that he had been speaking to them about the Father. So Jesus said to them when you have lifted up the Son of man, then you will know that I am he and that I do nothing on my own authority, but speak just as the Father taught me.
Speaker 2:And he who sent me is with me. He has not left me alone, for I always do the things that are pleasing to him. As he was saying these things, many believed in him.
Speaker 1:All right. So while you're reading that, steve, I use the magic typewriter, and this is what I found. The Torah is unequivocal. This is back to the very first thing that we wrote. The Torah is unequivocal If a man commits adultery with a married woman oh, with a married woman, see, I don't know what that means. Now, that's someone that's already married. Okay, the modern state of is the both man and woman shall be put to death. So now I'm to do that. Oh, that's See, now I'm confused because I didn't realize. It said a married woman. So what if she's not married?
Speaker 2:Ah, she becomes his wife.
Speaker 1:No. Adultery defined in Jewish law as sexual relations between a married woman and a man, not her husband. So the fact that it calls it adultery means she's a married woman and it doesn't matter if the man's married or not. That's what it sounds like. Yes.
Speaker 2:And the man could have sex with an unmarried woman and everything's fine, I don't know about that.
Speaker 1:I didn't look up that part. This is talking about adultery. Adultery according to the Jewish law is when a married woman has sexual relations with a man that's not her husband, and the Jewish law would be that both the man and the woman would be put to death, and the leaders here only brought the woman.
Speaker 2:Well, maybe the man was right. No, even if he were single, it would not matter.
Speaker 1:Would not matter.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:All right. So that tells you a little something about those guys also, doesn't it? The Pharisees are broader, all right. So what do you want to talk about in this section, steve?
Speaker 2:So I only made one note in here, although I think there's other stuff to talk about. When you have lifted up the Son of man, then you will know that I am he. Do you think that these Jews realize that when they put him on the cross, that he was the Son of God?
Speaker 1:I think some did.
Speaker 2:I don't think I can't be that many, though right, Because they went on to persecute anyone that followed it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but you know, like, even like Nicodemus it talks about. I mean, he says he's in with these people occasionally. In one of the previous chapters he was there again. I don't remember what he said, though you know the thing about reading the Bible. What I've noticed is you can read the same book 50 times and something else stands out to you that you never noticed before and right now and there's things that you've read, that you know you read and you cannot remember what it said. But Nicodemus wants to believe in Jesus. I believe he thinks there's something special about Jesus, but he also, you know, I don't know the Nicodemus's final state of his belief, right, we're not privy to that, that's maybe we'll know someday.
Speaker 2:Maybe Nicodemus is in the privy.
Speaker 1:What. What does that mean?
Speaker 2:You said we're not privy to it. That made me think of a privy from the British.
Speaker 1:I don't know what that is Bathroom. I thought that was the Lou.
Speaker 2:They have lots of words for it.
Speaker 1:It's very important. And Okay.
Speaker 2:All right.
Speaker 1:Do they have cues?
Speaker 2:Oh, they love cues.
Speaker 1:Also known as a line. A cue is actually a better word for it, because Because you don't use the letter Q very often. No, because a line doesn't doesn't mean that it's just a line of people. It doesn't mean that like a first in first out kind of thing or a last in first out, you can also have a cue that's a last in first out.
Speaker 2:So that sounds like a line that has multiple directions.
Speaker 1:But a line is, can just be a line. It doesn't mean that anybody is being served.
Speaker 2:I don't think anyone wants to hear about this, ken.
Speaker 1:Well, but does anybody want to hear anything we have to say, Steve?
Speaker 2:Well, that's a great question. We'll find out after this episode.
Speaker 1:All right. Oh my goodness, all right.
Speaker 2:Is there anything else you wanted to point out?
Speaker 1:I'll say this In this section when Jesus is talking, he is very confusing and he seems like he seems intentionally vague at times, and I mean, I think that's intentionally, never, but he's like just enough information so that the Jews really, really hate him, you know. So what do they say? They say, oh, that's later. I don't understand why they think he's going to kill himself just because he says where I'm going, you can't go.
Speaker 2:I wonder if it's because he said and you will die in your sin.
Speaker 1:Or maybe because it's yeah where I'm going, you will seek me and you will die in your sin. So the die in your sin is related to where he's going. So yeah, maybe so.
Speaker 2:These are actually references to the Kasekele, I think.
Speaker 1:Oh, these are references, so he's speaking Old Testament to them.
Speaker 2:I don't know. It's a little hard to tell here. Oh, that's going back to chapter seven. You will seek me and you will not find me where I am. You cannot come.
Speaker 1:So you know. They do ask him plainly again who are you? And he says just what I've been telling you from the beginning. I have much to say about you and much to judge, but he who sent me is true, and I declare to the world what I have heard from him, so he doesn't repeat what he said, who he is, but he just says I've already told you 100 times I'm who I said I was or am. Yeah, it's very obvious, though, to us, isn't it that when the Son of man is lifted up, it's very obvious what that means today.
Speaker 2:It is.
Speaker 1:But there was a. There's a passage in I think it's Isaiah, that talks about him being lifted up. In the same way, right Even says on a tree on a tree. Yeah, so they have the wherewithal to be able to understand this. Do you think, though, that maybe God was hardening their hearts, just like God hardened Pharaoh's heart?
Speaker 2:Did God do it, or did they do it themselves? I don't know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they might not have needed it. It doesn't say that God hardened their hearts, like it, like it says that in is that in Genesis or no Exodus? Yeah that's why it's called Exodus, because they're exiting. Yeah, I'm pretty smart, yeah. I was just wondering, though, if I mean it's divine so whether God hardened his, their hearts or just managed to have the right people in the room.
Speaker 2:Yeah we're already hardened.
Speaker 1:Yeah, all right. Well, but as he's saying these things, remember in the last chapter I believe is the last chapter many people like we're going. This is a tough message and a lot of his disciples left Like walked away, walked away, quit following him.
Speaker 2:and not the 12, but many of us talking about eating him, and that's right.
Speaker 1:Eating the flesh, his flesh, and drinking his blood. But after saying these things, many people believed in him. So now he was in the Treasury, right, he's in the Treasury talking here. Is that true? Still, yes, this is. It indicates he's likely. Has not moved. There's nothing to say that no he could have moved, because it starts off after saying he spoke in the Treasury. He said so. He said to them again that doesn't necessarily mean right then is when he talked to them.
Speaker 2:He's probably still in the temple or near the temple.
Speaker 1:Right, yeah, I don't know. So I'm just I was curious if he's still in the Treasury and if we are assuming the Treasury is a more centered spot in the temple where fewer people are allowed, and it says many believed in him, so these could have been some Jewish leaders.
Speaker 2:Possibly, but we don't really know.
Speaker 1:We don't know, I'm speculating and I have no idea.
Speaker 2:All right Do you have anything else, steve? No, I think that's good, all right.
Speaker 1:It's the best we can do, best I can do. I don't know about good, but something it's something. So that was John eight one through 30 first half, so eight. So next time we will be doing John eight thirty one through fifty nine. All right, that's all. See you Bye.