The Regular Guys Bible Study
John 18
Ever found yourself reflecting on the intricate moments of the biblical narrative, where human flaws and divine wisdom collide? We're Ken and Steve, and we've just wrapped up a hearty discussion on John chapter 18, where the complexities of Jesus' final hours before His betrayal and arrest come to light. Not only do we tackle Peter's hasty blade work and Jesus' profound stance against violence, but we also contrast the Gospel accounts to bring a richer, more textured understanding to these events.
That heart-sinking sensation of denial—Peter felt it thrice, and we dissect it with surgical precision, examining the psychological labyrinth he must have navigated. The web of high priestly politics gets untangled as we question Jesus' peculiar initial presentation to Annas and muse over the implications. Human frailties are put under the microscope, as are the responses to them, and we find ourselves humbled by Jesus' grace, a soothing balm for our own missteps.
Finally, brace yourselves as we steer the conversation into the realm of philosophy, wrestling with the enigma of truth in a world where facts sometimes bend under societal pressure. We poke fun at the absurdity of denying the undeniable, all while unpacking the profound exchange between Jesus and Pilate about kingdoms not of this world. Before you join us for the deep dive into John chapter 19, take our challenge and compare different translations—there's a wealth of insight waiting for you.
Ever found yourself reflecting on the intricate moments of the biblical narrative, where human flaws and divine wisdom collide? We're Ken and Steve, and we've just wrapped up a hearty discussion on John chapter 18, where the complexities of Jesus' final hours before His betrayal and arrest come to light. Not only do we tackle Peter's hasty blade work and Jesus' profound stance against violence, but we also contrast the Gospel accounts to bring a richer, more textured understanding to these events.
That heart-sinking sensation of denial—Peter felt it thrice, and we dissect it with surgical precision, examining the psychological labyrinth he must have navigated. The web of high priestly politics gets untangled as we question Jesus' peculiar initial presentation to Annas and muse over the implications. Human frailties are put under the microscope, as are the responses to them, and we find ourselves humbled by Jesus' grace, a soothing balm for our own missteps.
Finally, brace yourselves as we steer the conversation into the realm of philosophy, wrestling with the enigma of truth in a world where facts sometimes bend under societal pressure. We poke fun at the absurdity of denying the undeniable, all while unpacking the profound exchange between Jesus and Pilate about kingdoms not of this world. Before you join us for the deep dive into John chapter 19, take our challenge and compare different translations—there's a wealth of insight waiting for you.
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Speaker 2:Bible together.
Speaker 1:We are the Allogens. That's a pretty good beat, steve, okay.
Speaker 2:I think I learned that from John John Allen.
Speaker 1:I don't think we should give his full name, but maybe we should put his phone number and address in there, allen. Dale Fakey. Alrighty, all right, steve, how's it going? Do you remember those?
Speaker 2:days where you know you wake up, you're fine, you think about normal, and then something. In the afternoon you don't even know what it is and you just start feeling irritated. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so your wife came home.
Speaker 2:Just joking. No, I'm just joking, that wasn't it.
Speaker 1:What was it?
Speaker 2:I don't know. I just said you don't know what triggered it. I just have been irritated for like the last two hours.
Speaker 1:You know, that happened to me actually just the other day, and you know what. I traced it back to you, but you were constipated. No, this is really stupid. I traced it back to failing on the wordle.
Speaker 2:Well, I can see that.
Speaker 1:I mean, it was just so frustrating to me that I failed on the wordle and I had a long streak going, you know, and it's like this recently. I was a few days ago.
Speaker 2:Yeah, wow, I haven't failed, I bet it was the one with a V in it, wasn't it I?
Speaker 1:don't remember.
Speaker 2:Bevel or gavel Gavel.
Speaker 1:I don't think that was one.
Speaker 2:Oh, that might be on the other one.
Speaker 1:Let's see you do another one, don't you? I don't remember what it was, it wasn't difficult, but it was one of those that I had multiple choices and oh, that one.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I got it on the fifth, or sixth guess yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, I had two guesses left. I mean, I could think of two words and with one guess left, so I chose wrong.
Speaker 2:It was the middle letter that I couldn't get.
Speaker 1:I don't remember mine, man. You have a better memory than me, Steve, but that doesn't mean you're smarter. It just means you're better. No, you're stupid.
Speaker 2:You said it yourself. I don't know. I have a horrible memory, so if mine's better than, yours.
Speaker 1:you're in trouble. I'm older than you, so my. Every year the memory takes a step. Function in the wrong, in the wrong direction, that is true. All right, let's go ahead and get started. If you haven't read John chapter 18, hit pause now. Well, don't hit it yet. Listen to what I'm saying. Go read John 18 and now hit pause and welcome back. Hey, thanks for coming back. I hope you enjoyed John chapter 18. Now we are going to read it as well. I read, I read John chapter 18 in three different versions this week.
Speaker 2:Oh, I read the other gospel's version of this.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's another good thing to do.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I didn't read the whole part of it, just a part I was curious about.
Speaker 1:Was it the Peter denial?
Speaker 2:No, which part it was something totally that struck me as odd. We'll get there.
Speaker 1:All right. Well, why don't we go ahead and read? Do you want to get started, Steve?
Speaker 2:Sure, right after you tell me what happened in the last chapter. In the last chapter, because it starts with when Jesus had spoken these words yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1:Well, the last things, the last thing Jesus says in 25 and 26. Oh right, Just, father, even though the world does not know you, I know you and these know that you have sent me. I have made known to them your name and I will continue to make it known that the love with which you have loved me may be in them and I in them. So, so what has just happened is Jesus is praying and he is this. Is he saying this? Is it? Yeah, this is the time, and he's he's kind of you can tell, he's kind of encouraging his disciples, saying you know, these guys know, in the prayer to God. He's kind of saying these guys know who I am, well, in the other gospels.
Speaker 2:This is where he sweats blood.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, because that's not. Doesn't mention that here.
Speaker 2:Anyway, I'll go ahead and read. All right, when Jesus had spoken these words that can just read, he went out with his disciples across the Brook Kidron, where there was a garden which he and his disciples entered. Now Judas, who betrayed him, also knew the place, for Jesus often met there with his disciples. So Judas having procured a band of soldiers, now Ken, this is like a group of soldiers, not a musical group called the band of soldiers.
Speaker 1:Just, but they did have a drummer right, Maybe Okay good.
Speaker 2:So Judas, having procured a band of soldiers and some officers from the chief priests and the Pharisees, went there with lanterns and torches and weapons. Then Jesus, knowing all that would happen to him, came forward and said to them whom do you seek? They answered him Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus said to them I am he. Judas, who betrayed him, was standing with them. When Jesus said to them, I am he, they drew back and fell to the ground. So he asked them again whom do you seek? And they said Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus answered I told you that I am he. So if you seek me, let these men go. This was to fulfill the word that he had spoken. Of those whom you gave me, I have lost not one. Then Simon Peter, having a sword, drew it and struck the high priest's servants and cut off his right ear. The servant's name was Malchus. So Jesus said to Peter put your sword into its sheath. Shall I not drink the cup that the Father has given me?
Speaker 1:All right, thanks, steve. You're welcome, ken, you're welcome for me thanking you.
Speaker 2:Well, thank you for welcoming me to thank me.
Speaker 1:Hey, no problem. By the way, do you hate that when people text and it's like thanks, okay, no problem, okay, thanks, is that are happening to you?
Speaker 2:Well, you know, with Microsoft teams at work, you have the little auto answers yeah, yeah, yeah. I often get into keep hitting the auto answer and the other person hits the auto answer until it stops giving auto answers.
Speaker 1:I think this is you and Chris that do that, and John John Allen. All right, what are you doing over there, steve, knocking stuff off the table? All right, so I noticed a couple of things here. Do you, do you want to talk about anything?
Speaker 2:Or do you want me to talk?
Speaker 1:about some stuff. Okay, the first thing I noticed and I don't remember this being in the other gospels is that they come to this garden often. Jesus takes his disciples there often. Did you read that anywhere else?
Speaker 2:Well, like I said, I didn't read the entire story in the other gospels, just the small section I was trying to get comparison on.
Speaker 1:All right. So I noticed that and that's the first time I've ever noticed that he's just going to this garden where he likes to take his disciples, I probably to talk and pray and teach, to teach them not to teach in general, because we later learn where he teaches the public. We'll get to that in a minute, all right. The other thing that I think this is the coolest thing about this I was thinking about these guys fall over when Jesus says who he is.
Speaker 2:Is that what happened? Because I did have a note here. It says they drew back and fell to the ground. So is it kneeling? Is it fainting? Some sort of a tax dance?
Speaker 1:No, I think they just fell. I think this is what I think. I think in that moment, jesus decided I want you to feel the power of my name. Yeah it kind of reads that way, and so they fall over just from him saying his name.
Speaker 2:Well, it does have. I am in what he said.
Speaker 1:That's true. He doesn't say his name, he says I am he, and so I mean I hate to use this example, but it's it's sort of like people are coming to arrest Yoda. He I am, and and he and he flicks his wrist and they all fall down. Then Yoda would probably find him.
Speaker 2:But later he says these are not the disciples you are looking for.
Speaker 1:I don't think he says that. He says let them go. He does say let them go, but I think that's really pretty cool Now. He kind of gives them just a small taste of who he is.
Speaker 2:But then why did they have to ask a second time?
Speaker 1:I think they were probably a little confused when they all fell. It's like what just happened. I was like they stand up and say we're looking for Jesus. So that's what I noticed here.
Speaker 2:So I mentioned it before you know. I went to Israel several years ago. I mentioned before, I was many travels and I would travel and you are a little peon, anyway, I think, and I could be remembering wrong, but the distance from the upper room to the garden is pretty far and Judas had left the upper room right at the last supper. How did he know to come find him here?
Speaker 1:Didn't we just read that? Well, he takes them there often. So Judas but that might have not have been the first place he went. He might have first taken to the upper room and said OK, now he does like to go to the garden, let's go over there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I guess so.
Speaker 1:So, so I think that's why he ended up there. It's one of the common places he takes his disciples.
Speaker 2:So the other thing I noticed is it sounds like there was a real concern by Jesus that his disciples could have gotten killed.
Speaker 1:Well yes, especially once Peter pulls that as stupid sword.
Speaker 2:And you know, in the other gospels actually I think it's only in Luke Jesus heals that servant's ear.
Speaker 1:Yes, people will point out that it doesn't say that he doesn't. It's not like he says. Jesus left the ear on the ground.
Speaker 2:No, I'm just saying. But the thing that caught my attention here is that John decides to give the name of the servant. None of the other Gospels do.
Speaker 1:Ah, okay.
Speaker 2:Malchus, yeah, and then I was like, does this have some significance? This is the only place, I think, in the Bible that mentions Malchus.
Speaker 1:I think it does have significance for the time, so you could go ask him yourself, oh, perhaps. And so that also kind of gives credence to the fact that Jesus healed his ear, because that may be a good reason why you would care to go talk to him, yeah maybe John ran into him some time later and he had become a believer or something, and now he's a witness Could be.
Speaker 2:I like that answer. My other thought was maybe there's some non-biblical texts like Josephus of Arimathea or something.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, the historian dude. Maybe he mentions Malchus, maybe, so I don't know I thought about it's one of those things that I wish I would read.
Speaker 2:I imagine it's not a good read.
Speaker 1:I imagine it's not a good read and I imagine I would hate every bit of it.
Speaker 2:And it's probably not unaudible.
Speaker 1:That's what it might be it could be. Okay, that's a good idea. Alright, why don't we move on?
Speaker 2:Alright, I think you should read two.
Speaker 1:I was going to say I'm going to read two sections here, starting in John 18, chapter 12. So the band of soldiers and their captain and the officers of the Jews arrested Jesus and bound him. They bound him. That's crazy to me, especially when he's going willingly.
Speaker 1:Yeah that's funny. Anyway, okay, so the band of soldiers and the captain and the officers of the Jews arrested Jesus and bound him. First they led him to Annas, for he was the father-in-law of Caiaphas, who was high priest that year. It was Caiaphas who had advised the Jews that it would be expedient that one man should die for the people. Simon Peter followed Jesus and so did another disciple. Since that disciple was known to the high priest, he entered with Jesus into the courtyard of the high priest, but Peter stood outside at the door. So the other disciple who was known to the high priest, went out and spoke to the servant girl and who kept watch at the door and brought Peter in. The servant girl at the door said to Peter you also are not one of this man's disciples, are you? He said I am not. Now. The servants and the officers had made a charcoal fire because it was cold and they were standing and warming themselves. Peter also was with them, standing and warming himself. All right, should I continue? It seems like I should continue.
Speaker 1:Yeah, probably. The high priest then questioned about Jesus, about his disciples and his teaching. Jesus answered him I have spoken openly to the world. I have always taught in a synagogue, in synagogues and in the temple where all Jews come together. I have said nothing in secret. Why do you ask me? Ask, ask those who have heard me what I said to them. They know what I said. When he had said these things, one of the officers standing by struck Jesus with his hand, saying Is that how you answer the high priest? Jesus answered him if what I said is wrong.
Speaker 1:Bear witness about the wrong. But if what I said is right, why do you strike me? And it's then sent him bound to Caiaphas, the high priest. I'm going to read one more, one more section here and now Simon Peter was standing and warming himself. So they said to him you also are not one of his disciples, are you? He denied it and said I am not one of the servants of the high priest. A relative of the man whose ear Peter had cut off Asked did I not see you in the garden with him? Peter again denied it and at once a rooster crowed Dun, dun, dun. That's awful.
Speaker 2:That was pretty bad.
Speaker 1:Yeah, maybe I was doing something else.
Speaker 2:So, talking about Peter here and his denials, he didn't actually deny. He's answering the first question. You also are not one of the man's disciples. I am not not one of the man's disciples.
Speaker 1:It's a double negative. Okay, that is a stupid point. Is what that is? You know that's. That's funny. Have you ever asked somebody a question like that and they answer and you still?
Speaker 2:don't know what the answer is, because of the way you ask the question.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I think Steve. No, no, that is not. He says I am not. He did not say no. If he had said no, then there would be room for speculation.
Speaker 2:But he says I am not. I am not not.
Speaker 1:All right. So let's see what happens. They take him. What? Why do you think they?
Speaker 2:took him to Annas Caiaphas's father-in-law. I'm so confused about that because they call him the high priest but he's not the high priest.
Speaker 1:He's the father-in-law of the high priest.
Speaker 2:No, maybe he was a previous high priest and it's like the president, you retain your title, maybe so?
Speaker 1:It's very confusing. I don't know the rules.
Speaker 2:But we need our. It's harder to крут in the high priest, in the high priest. What were we going to call it? Phone?
Speaker 1:Being a preacher. Being a preacher Check with Chick-fil-A. We could call it Chick-fil-A.
Speaker 2:Why did he take Jesus to?
Speaker 1:Annas.
Speaker 2:Caiaphas' father.
Speaker 1:Get some high school students. You know would be hilarious if they had a great answer. Alright, let's continue. So I don't know why they took him to Annas first. Maybe it's because I don't know. Maybe Annas is the one that really set up the whole arrest of Jesus. Maybe he's the one that paid the 30 shekels that could be 30, what is it? Shekels of 30 something, silver coins or whatever. Yeah so, but he's got some thugs around him. I think it's funny. They bound, they bind him. Like I said, he was just going willingly.
Speaker 2:Who they should have bound was Peter he's the one that chopped off the ear. Yeah, alright, so maybe they were afraid he'd do more healing.
Speaker 1:Maybe so, because maybe I don't know, anyway. So I also think it's interesting that two of the disciples went with Jesus Peter and this other one that it's not named, I assume it's John. It could be John, that's my assumption too, because that's the disciple that Jesus loved, or whatever. But you know what, I don't think it is John because he didn't say, and he would have said, I think, a special name that he likes to give himself.
Speaker 2:Well, that could be.
Speaker 1:And this disciple went, I believe because he was known by the high priest and he thought maybe he'll have some pull. That's my guess. At least he knew he had been able to get in to the meeting.
Speaker 2:So the servant girl, do you think she would have not let him in if he did say he was one of the disciples?
Speaker 1:I don't know. I think that was his fear.
Speaker 2:Maybe I think she would have let him in, because she says you also, so she knows the other guy.
Speaker 1:She knows the other guy, yeah.
Speaker 2:I think Peter's just feeling scared about cutting an ear off.
Speaker 1:I think he's feeling scared. I don't know why. Well, there's a lot of reasons Jesus has just been arrested with thugs and he's about to get slapped in the face, so but you know, it's pretty sad that he did that to a servant girl. But I think he feels panicked and we make stupid choices when we're panicked. I'm certainly not going to condemn Peter, and the truth is Jesus didn't condemn Peter when he said it, you know, or I don't get the sense.
Speaker 2:Well, later he does make Jesus say he loves him three times.
Speaker 1:You mean make. Peter say I mean yes.
Speaker 2:Jesus makes Peter say that.
Speaker 1:Yes, so, but when he said it, when he told Peter he was going to deny him three times, there wasn't a I don't know. I didn't read it as a sense of condemnation, like you horrible person, but the it's more like. Well, the fact is, I know you said that. The fact is, you're about to deny me three times before this day is over.
Speaker 2:Well, he had just boasted that he would follow him to the death.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, all right, let's see. So this other disciple comes out and actually let's talk to the servant girl gets Peter to go in too. Now this other disciple and Peter are both there, and so then we get the transcript of what happens in there. Jesus gets punched in the face, uh, which seems a little unfair, but uh, he was being a little snarky to the thugs.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but you know that this guy that hit him is one of those playground bully kind of guys Like he's not afraid to hit anyone. That's bound.
Speaker 1:We didn't have playground bullies, really. Yeah, I made sure that anybody on our playground that acted up, I would just punch him in the face. So, we didn't have bullies because of people like me, I think we know, just joking Maybe. So yeah, they. You know, it doesn't seem, there doesn't seem any to be any purpose to this questioning here, no, and then they take him to the high priest which they don't question him again there. Nope, or it's not recorded. We don't know what happens there.
Speaker 1:And then Peter denies Jesus, knowing Jesus once again, or following Jesus once again. And the rooster crows that was worse than mine, that was awful. Are you going to say anything?
Speaker 2:Well, I was going to say have you seen arrested development? When they start, they try to grow like a rooster or something. I don't know, I haven't seen all of those.
Speaker 1:So I don't know it's. It's kind of a weird show.
Speaker 2:They all have their own goofy crow and they're all horrible.
Speaker 1:All right. So, um, you know, peter, at that moment the rooster crow is is kind of like Jesus saying you remember what I told you? You remember what I told you? The rooster's going.
Speaker 2:I told you so. Yeah, I told you so.
Speaker 1:And so Peter's got to feel like he's the worst person in the world, um, in the midst of his panic and fear. Yeah, um, all right. So why don't we? And let's? Do you have anything else you want to say about that? Nope, I'm ready to move on. All right, let's move on.
Speaker 2:And, uh, I'll read to the end. All right, so we're at John 18, 28.
Speaker 1:Yep.
Speaker 2:Then they led Jesus from the house of Caiaphas to the governor's headquarters. It was early morning. They themselves did not enter the governor's headquarters so that they would not be defiled but could eat their Passover. So Pilate went outside to them and said what accusation do you bring against this man? They answered him if this man were not doing evil, we would not have delivered him over to you. Pilate said to them take him yourselves and judge him by your own law. The Jews said to him it is not lawful for us to put anyone to death. This was to fulfill the word that Jesus had spoken to show by what kind of death he was going to die.
Speaker 2:So Pilate entered his headquarters again and called Jesus and said to him are you the king of the Jews? Jesus answered do you say this of your own accord or did others say it to you about me? Pilate answered am I a Jew? Your own nation and the chief priests have delivered you over to me. What have you done?
Speaker 2:Jesus answered my kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would have been fighting that I might not be delivered over to the Jews, but my kingdom is not from the world. Then Pilate said to him so you are a king? Jesus answered you say that I am a king for this purpose. For this purpose I was born and for this purpose I have come into the world to bear witness to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth listens to my voice. Pilate said to him what is truth? After he said this, he went back outside of the Jews and told them I find no guilt in him, but you have a custom that I should release one man for you at the Passover, so do you want me to release to you the king of the Jews? They cried out again not this man, but Barabbas. Now, barabbas was a robber.
Speaker 1:All right and other other translations. It calls him. It says he was part of an insurrection. Yeah, but if he was part of an insurrection it seems like why would Rome let him go? Because that wouldn't be. That would be a bad idea.
Speaker 2:Yeah, all right.
Speaker 1:So yeah, this is very strange. They don't even tell. They don't tell Pilate why he's, they want him dead, they just want him dead. Yeah, they have no accusation.
Speaker 2:It's kind of like well, would you think we'd bring somebody here that was innocent? Yeah.
Speaker 1:Which he was innocent.
Speaker 2:Which he is.
Speaker 1:Well, you know what, If you think about it from the Jewish standpoint, If he is not the Messiah, then he was guilty. Right, but they could have told Pilate that, yes, they did not tell him that I don't think.
Speaker 2:Instead they said well, we can't put him to death because you guys won't let us.
Speaker 1:Right, you don't let us kill people, so you have to do it for us. And then they asked for this other dude, who's a bad dude, to be released, which kind of is not surprising to me. If you think about it. The old, it's so quick that we forget the past and we are more concerned about right now than we are what happened before. You see what I'm saying People, even today, will forget some horrible thing that happened. Alright, let's talk about 9-11.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay, think about how horrible 9-11 was. Yep, you will find lots of people today that Think it was an inside job. Or think it was our fault because of the way we've treated people in the past. Those kinds of things, right you just. As time goes by, people are fickle and their heart changes and they don't remember. They don't really remember, they only have an inkling of the memory, and so they have bloodlust right now for Jesus.
Speaker 2:Couple days before they were throwing palms on the ground and screaming. I don't know if these people were.
Speaker 1:This is in the early, early morning, right? True, I think it's interesting that Pilate says what is truth but there's no answer, and so the way I read that in my head is more like a philosopher. Well, I think it's a rhetorical question. Yeah, it's rhetorical and it's how Plato or Socrates or Socrates Johnson might say it. It's like truth, what?
Speaker 2:is truth. Well, that's our society today Everything's relative. How can anything be absolutely true?
Speaker 1:That's true, what is absolutely true.
Speaker 2:Is it true, Ken?
Speaker 1:What is truth? Huh, man Right, I'm just like Pilate. Oh, hold on, maybe that's not good.
Speaker 2:If you jump in front of a moving bus where it doesn't have time to stop, are you going to die? Most likely.
Speaker 1:How fast is a bus going? Does it matter?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:If it's going like one mile per hour, then it's going to push me along a little bit and I'll just walk away. Maybe, what a stupid question. Okay, it's going 50 miles an hour. All right, if I jumped in front of it, how close is the bus to me when I jumped in front of it To?
Speaker 2:where it cannot slow down.
Speaker 1:But it's so far away that it doesn't need to slow down either, so like it's a mile away.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:Oh.
Speaker 2:To where impact is imminent. Okay, okay, let's try this one. You're struggling with that one. If you jump off of a 200 story building, yeah, there's nothing to catch you. Okay, are you going?
Speaker 1:to die? Is there, by any chance, one of those? I fly when tunnels underneath me.
Speaker 2:There is zero chance of that.
Speaker 1:Okay, is there water at the bottom? Nope, it's concrete. Okay, when was it poured? How long ago is the concrete.
Speaker 2:I'll even let you jump into water for 200 stories. We'll see if you survive.
Speaker 1:It's going to be like concrete.
Speaker 2:Even if it's not, it's only six foot deep. You're hitting the bottom of that pool. There is such a thing as absolute truth.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes. It's so funny how irritated that made you. I love irritating people.
Speaker 2:But that's the same sort of arguments People that believe in everything's relative sort of give.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like I have relatives, we all have relatives, steve.
Speaker 2:That's a good point. All right, I really hate it when you say two plus two is four and they go oh no, I want to say it's three.
Speaker 1:Do you know that there? Okay, this is a. There's a real, a real situation where somebody's being interviewed, they're interviewing one of these people about math, the math in schools, and and the person that's interviewing the last is okay. So we're not talking like two plus two equal five and the person goes no, we could.
Speaker 2:That person needs fire.
Speaker 1:All right? Well, we have really, and that's why Jesus.
Speaker 2:Well, I have another point here. Okay, I'm going to close. What is your point? So when he starts talking to pilot about his kingdom, he says my servants would have been fighting that I might not be delivered over to the Jews.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But my kingdom is not of this world. I don't think. I think at this point he's no longer claiming the Jews as his people.
Speaker 1:Now we've seen this before where they he uses the term the Jews as the leadership.
Speaker 2:Okay, because? And or he's using the vernacular of pilot.
Speaker 1:Yeah, maybe, but the Jews hand delivered over to the Jews is not just the Jewish people roaming around, this is the Jewish. What aristocracy or whatever you want to call it Is that what is aristocracy? I think it's not aristocracy.
Speaker 2:What is the word?
Speaker 1:It's the, the theocracy, the theocracy, the Jewish theocracy the John Allen theocracy. Oh, you'd make sure John, all right, but yeah, that's all Okay. All right, so next time we are on John, chapter 19. Right, so it does come after 18. Does it come after 18? All right, so we're going to start with John, not 20 might be next.
Speaker 1:Okay, but that's not true In this case. John 19 is next. You know, I challenge you not only to read John, chapter 19, but to read it in multiple translations. I only speak English. No, it's not what I mean. I mean in other other English translations like NIV, nasb, nlt, etc. All right, that's it guys. Bye the regular guys. Bible study is a chasm LLC production. All rights reserved.