The Regular Guys Bible Study
John 19
Have you ever grappled with the heart-wrenching details of the crucifixion story? Join us, Ken and Steve, along with our Gen Z friend Avery (yes, the one with the enviable full head of hair), as we navigate the profound narratives of John 19. Our latest episode isn't just a deep dive into the text; we're peeling back layers of symbolism, wrestling with Pilate's political conundrum, and debating the use of rap in church, all while keeping it light with some good-natured ribbing about our hairlines.
As we pore over the pages, Avery offers a fresh lens, injecting youthful energy into discussions about biblical prophecies and the role of the Marys at Jesus's crucifixion. We're not afraid to tackle the tough questions either, such as why Jesus would entrust his mother to John over his own brothers. Amidst the theological musings, we share a few laughs and personal anecdotes that remind us of the importance of community and the bonds we forge through faith.
We wrap our session with thoughts on Joseph of Arimathea and Nicodemus, their secret discipleship, and the implications of their courageous act of burying Jesus. Looking ahead, we're buzzing with anticipation for our next study session on John 20, where we'll explore the resurrection story – make sure to come prepared with different translations at the ready. So, if you're eager to explore the depths of scripture with a group that feels like family, you won't want to miss this episode.
Have you ever grappled with the heart-wrenching details of the crucifixion story? Join us, Ken and Steve, along with our Gen Z friend Avery (yes, the one with the enviable full head of hair), as we navigate the profound narratives of John 19. Our latest episode isn't just a deep dive into the text; we're peeling back layers of symbolism, wrestling with Pilate's political conundrum, and debating the use of rap in church, all while keeping it light with some good-natured ribbing about our hairlines.
As we pore over the pages, Avery offers a fresh lens, injecting youthful energy into discussions about biblical prophecies and the role of the Marys at Jesus's crucifixion. We're not afraid to tackle the tough questions either, such as why Jesus would entrust his mother to John over his own brothers. Amidst the theological musings, we share a few laughs and personal anecdotes that remind us of the importance of community and the bonds we forge through faith.
We wrap our session with thoughts on Joseph of Arimathea and Nicodemus, their secret discipleship, and the implications of their courageous act of burying Jesus. Looking ahead, we're buzzing with anticipation for our next study session on John 20, where we'll explore the resurrection story – make sure to come prepared with different translations at the ready. So, if you're eager to explore the depths of scripture with a group that feels like family, you won't want to miss this episode.
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Speaker 2:Bible together, not theologians. Alright, there's somebody missing from that intro, ken.
Speaker 1:That's because we have a special guest today.
Speaker 2:We do, yeah, we do. I don't see anybody.
Speaker 1:That's because, even though they're in the same city as us, he kind of refused to like travel at all. It's you know. Yeah, so, as you might know, steve and I are kind of old dudes. We're lacking hair. We've got a guest star with us today, named Avery Avery, how's it going?
Speaker 3:Hey, hey, it's going pretty good yeah.
Speaker 1:Alright Avery is are you Gen Z? Are you technically Gen Z?
Speaker 3:Uh, yeah, I think so. I think so. I was 23 years old, was born October, the 14th of 2000,. So I'm pretty sure that box would be square in the Gen Z area, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think so. So that mean that's why he didn't want to put any more effort than required. Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:But I want to make a clarification. That's exactly why yeah, what you said, we don't have hair. You have plenty of nose hair and ear hair, ken.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I've seen my butt and I don't want to oh my goodness, avery has lots of hair, yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, and it's red, the decent. Oh OK, I wouldn't say it's red necessarily, but if you want to say that, then I won't say it.
Speaker 2:What is it if it's not red, I'm color blind.
Speaker 1:I see that the beard, I'll give it to you.
Speaker 3:It's got a shade in it. I would say it's more strawberry blonde than anything. But the hair follicles on my head those are. Those are a lighter blonde. When it's not all dirty from the hard days work it's more blonde than anything else.
Speaker 1:All right, it's a darker one. Yeah, it is that.
Speaker 2:All right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'll go with that. I think that's true. He doesn't have red hair and you're not bald.
Speaker 3:He indeed has a lion's mane.
Speaker 1:All right, guys, All right. So if you listened to John 18, I challenged you to read John 19 in multiple versions.
Speaker 2:I failed, you failed.
Speaker 1:You only did you read John 19 at all? Oh, I read it a lot. Ok, and but what translation? Esv, only ESV.
Speaker 2:All right, but I have to say I didn't enjoy reading it. I don't like this chapter why? Oh, because he dies.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but he has to die for it to be worth what worth anything to us?
Speaker 2:I know, but he went through a lot of chapters.
Speaker 1:All right, avery, did you read it?
Speaker 3:I did read it. I might have read it like a minute before you FaceTime me, but I did read it nonetheless, fresh, all right.
Speaker 1:And what translation on the brain? What translation Also ESV, all right. So all right. You guys failed me a little bit.
Speaker 2:I challenge. I did listen to it in the dramatic version. Oh, gosh, please no don't play it and I V.
Speaker 1:OK, all right, all right. Well, let's don't waste any more time, let's get to it. How many versions did you read? I read the ESV, esv, niv and NLT. All right.
Speaker 3:See, I didn't. I didn't listen to last week so I didn't know that we had the challenge. Among us, oh my God, was a text saying hey, we're doing John, chapter 19.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and actually you know the day we record is the day John 18 comes out. So it only came out today, so it's a week delayed. So you really wouldn't have been able to listen to it, unless you really tried hard. So bad? All right, so let's let's read this first section of John, chapter 19. Steve, you want to read that.
Speaker 2:Sure. Then Pilate took Jesus and flogged him, and the soldiers twisted together a crown of thorns and put it on his head and arrayed him in a purple robe. They came to him saying hail, king of the Jews, and struck him with their hands. Pilate went out again and said to them see, I am bringing him out to you, that you may know that I find no guilt in him. So Jesus came out wearing the crown of throne thorns and the purple robe. Pilate said to them behold the man. When the chief priests and the officer saw him, they cried out crucify him, crucify him. Pilate said to them take him yourselves and crucify him, for I find no guilt in him. The Jews answered him we have a law and according to that law he ought to die because he has made himself the son of God.
Speaker 2:When Pilate heard this statement, he was even more afraid. He entered his headquarters again and said to Jesus where are you from? But Jesus gave him no answer. So Pilate said to him you will not speak to me. Do you not know that I have authority to release you and authority to crucify you? Jesus answered him you would have no authority over me at all unless it had been given from above. Therefore, he who delivered me over to you has the greater sin From then on.
Speaker 2:Pilate sought to release him. But the Jews cried out if you release this man, you are not Caesar's friend. Everyone who makes himself a king opposes Caesar. So when Pilate heard these words, he brought Jesus out and sat down on the judgment seat at a place called the stone pavement and an Aramaic Gabatha. Now it was the day of preparation for the Passover. It was about the sixth hour. He said to the Jews behold your king. They cried out away with him, away with him, crucify him. Pilate said to them shall I crucify your king? The chief priest answered we have no king but Caesar. So he delivered him over to them to be crucified.
Speaker 1:All right, thanks, steve. All right when, all right. So, first of all, when is the sixth hour?
Speaker 2:I believe that is about two o'clock no.
Speaker 1:Why would you say that? Are you an idiot? Because it's from daylight, it's from six am, so it's noon.
Speaker 2:Oh, well, it in the winter gets light later.
Speaker 1:If you're near the equator, it doesn't change.
Speaker 2:Good point.
Speaker 3:Avery has a smirk on his face. This is just fun.
Speaker 1:Okay, all right. Anyway, one thing I noticed is that this is around noon noon o'clock to be exact and the Jews probably they showed up early in the morning.
Speaker 2:They didn't say well, they arrested him at night right there estimate night.
Speaker 1:They woke. It sound like they probably woke up.
Speaker 2:Their woke. I thought that was a more recent thing.
Speaker 1:Don't even know how to respond to that. Anyway, they woke pilot up early in the morning, probe, I would say probably at 6 am. So around then, right early in the morning, to To talk, to arrest Jesus and say they want to kill him. And One of the statements in here says from that moment on, pilot tried to where is it from? From that, from then on, pilot sought to release him. But the Jews cried out if you release this man, you are not a friend of Caesar's. So that couldn't have been very long really. Right from then on, Probably not.
Speaker 2:What's your point?
Speaker 1:I just fight. No real point. It just seems odd that he would say from then on, but it's like Maybe an hour at the most, that he tried to release Jesus. I.
Speaker 3:Mean.
Speaker 3:It could have also just been that they were trying to just point out that this could have been like a change of heart For pilot not necessarily so on a linear time frame, but more from a heart posture is, like from this moment he saw the heart posture Jesus and from then on he sought within his power to not, you know, send him to crucifixion, which I think you know.
Speaker 3:When they say later and I in the very next verse, anyone who makes himself a king opposed to Caesar, like from this moment, he's okay, well, I want to try to help Jesus out. But then, the very next verse, the Jews are Throwing Roman politics in his face and saying well, you'll be deposed of all your power, you have everything stripped from you, a possibly even killed if you are, if I were to get to back to Rome, that you are now Against Caesar by aligning yourself with this man. And so I know to me I read that and I think for me I kind of view that as maybe, and almost like a change of mind for pilot, he wants to help Jesus, but he's thrown into the circumstances of his own life and his own understanding of the world that didn't block some off and being able to help Jesus.
Speaker 2:Yeah and I think so. They even said he was afraid after they announced he claimed to be the son of God. So I do think pilot probably knew something of Jesus before this. I'm agreeing with Avery here that I think he did want to get him off the hook.
Speaker 1:I agree, even though Avery is part of Gen ZI In this case. So this rare yeah circumstance, I think he's not a complete idiot.
Speaker 3:Wow, hey, amen.
Speaker 2:All right, but I do wonder if, if they had come to him straight up and said he was the son of God, or claims to be, would pilot have tried even harder?
Speaker 1:I don't know. I think you know, when it comes to the politics, the Jews are right, right, I mean, they are right that if he Well, they're blackmailing him really. Yeah, and he has really no choice.
Speaker 1:If he wants to, his career as a, as a leader in Rome to continue and to keep his head, then he probably needs to just Do what they're asking, all right, so I skipped kind of ahead to ask that question. But I want to go back to where they put this crown of thorns on his head and a purple robe and send him out. So Do you think pilot is making fun of Jesus here, or is he? Or is he Antagonizing?
Speaker 2:the Jews mocking the.
Speaker 1:Jews? I think he is too. That's what I think he's doing, but it actually I think I can see that.
Speaker 3:Go ahead. I was just gonna say I can definitely see that cuz, like you know, back in those days, and even you know for some years after that, like purple was seen as a very royal and very Flavorately wealthy color because it was very hard to produce. So the fact that he was given a purple robe Something that's very extravagant, I think, would fly in the face of some of the Jewish people there.
Speaker 2:You made me think of something when you said that because, yes, purple was expensive and they put this on a guy that had just been whipped. He's probably all bloody and they probably ruined that robe.
Speaker 1:Maybe it was really a blue robe and then it became purple.
Speaker 3:Oh.
Speaker 1:That was.
Speaker 2:Ken.
Speaker 3:Yeah, there was a moment where I thought it would have been you who said something goofy like that. I was like oh my gosh, no, that was cute. I resemble that remark.
Speaker 1:No, you resemble. All right, that's funny, I think, though Okay, yes, I was gonna say, though he's making fun, I think he's antagonizing the Jews here and that's his point, but it actually Like, I think it really makes the Jews mad and it's like it's like if they weren't sure they wanted Jesus dead. Now they really want him dead because it's like he cannot look like he's our king. That is unacceptable to them. So, and, and even you know, he says behold your king. Oh, it's got to be twisting the knife.
Speaker 3:How do you think the crown Crown, how do you think the crown of thorns adds into that idea the symbolism of mocking the Jews?
Speaker 2:Hmm.
Speaker 1:Do you have an idea? And you're just baiting us.
Speaker 3:I mean, I was more just kind of seeing if you had anything to start with, because, as I asked that, I didn't really have a clue. And then, as I sat there and just kind of waited for your response, I said, oh, I might be something like I don't know, I don't know if this is really anything that Good of an observation. But you know, usually there's like expression oh, you've been a thorn in my side, you know, you've been something I've had to deal with, and it's been, you know, annoying or troublesome, and I mean a crown of thorns. There's a whole lot of them and it could be, you know, a small way of saying like, like he's been a thorn in your side and now he's been crowned with the thorns of your disapproval.
Speaker 1:I don't know, I might be might be digging too deep, but no, that could be true. And one thing that we know while we do use that, that term today a thorn in my side we also know that that was used back then, because Paul uses that term as later on, when he talks about this thing that can't, that he's prayed to get rid of whatever that is and he calls it a thorn in his side, and no one believes it's an actual thorn that stuck in his side that he can't get out Right, I mean. So it's a, it's a, it's an expression back then, so that could very well be related. I think that's good insight. Young Jinxier, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3:No, I'm not. You're stuck on the whole.
Speaker 1:Jinzy thing. You know what I think the more I can make fun of him, the better I feel about myself.
Speaker 2:Oh, well, then that's okay.
Speaker 3:Okay, yeah, hey man, the college campuses and the future leaders of our churches tomorrow are being taught by Gen Z years right now. So that's true. Yeah, so. So when you turn into the old grandpa that's complaining that the worship is too loud, you're going to be looking at a Gen Z or leading worship as the root cause of that Just promise me you won't start doing rap music at church.
Speaker 3:Okay, you say that I think about a little a year and five months ago we didn't have a college pastor and so we had guest speakers and guest worship leaders come in, and we had this family come in and they decided to let their kid rap on stage for a bit and it was like I don't even know what the lyrics were. It was basically just like a rap bar about. You know, Christ helped me, put my sin in the grave and he gave me a new name that I can walk free again. But it was just him rapping on stage during our worship time, our time to prep our hearts for the message, and it was like, okay, he's spitting bars, but like I don't think this is necessarily appropriate, All right.
Speaker 1:All right, Is there anything else you want to say?
Speaker 2:anybody in this first paragraph, Just that you know, first they flogged him, yeah, which is, as I understand it, it's like severe whipping, and then the soldiers came up and started beating him Like big tough guys. Oh, look what I can do. This guy is practically dead. I can punch him in the face. I don't like these guys.
Speaker 1:You don't like them.
Speaker 2:No, Okay, Reminds me a lot of you actually. Yeah, you know talking about Gen Zers.
Speaker 1:At first I really like these people who are beating Jesus, and now that you say that, I don't.
Speaker 2:Well, good, I'm glad I could come get you to realize that they're bad, okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they're bad people. Steve. Good job, Good insight. Why don't we go to the next section? Let's see, Avery, do you want to read the next section or not?
Speaker 2:Yeah, that would be that would be.
Speaker 3:I'm sure 17 through 27.
Speaker 2:Yes, I'm sure you'll do it much better than either of us could.
Speaker 1:I don't know.
Speaker 3:Oh, I don't know, I had a hard time reading growing up and I'm over face time, so the quality might not be so good, but here we go. That's a good excuse. So they took Jesus and he went out bearing his own cross to the place called the place of the skull. It can air make is called Golgotha. There they crucified him and with two others, one on either side and Jesus between them, and then the other one.
Speaker 3:Pilate also wrote an inscription and put it on the cross. It read Jesus of Nazareth, the king of the Jews. Many of the Jews read this inscription and the place where Jesus was crucified was near the city and it was written in Aramaic, in Latin and in Greek. So the chief priest of the Jews said to Pilate do not write king of the Jews, but rather this man said I am king of the Jews. Pilate answered well, I have written, I have written, and the soldiers have crucified Jesus.
Speaker 3:They took his garments and divided them into four parts, one part for each soldier, Also his tunic, but the tunic was seamless, woven in one piece from top to bottom. So they said to one another Let us not tear it, but cast thoughts for it to see whose it shall be. This was to fulfill the scripture which says they divided my garments among them and from my clothes they cast lots. So the soldiers did these things, but standing by the cross of Jesus were his mother and his mother's sister, Mary, the wife of Klopas, and Mary Magdalene. When Jesus saw his mother and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to his mother Woman, behold your son. Then he said to the disciple Hold your mother. And from the hour that the disciple took her to his own home, Okay, thank you.
Speaker 1:All right, so they carried his own cross up there and then they crucified him. What's the what is the significance of them dividing his clothes?
Speaker 2:It's to fulfill prophecy.
Speaker 1:All right, and what is that prophecy?
Speaker 2:Let's see, I didn't record that one, but it should be here. It is from Psalm 2218. They divided my garments among them and from my clothing they cast lots.
Speaker 1:All right. So I think it's very interesting how lots of little things happened to Jesus in this whole process. As we've heard and we'll find out more that was simply a prophecy, that you go, oh huh. So if they hadn't done that, the prophecy would not be fulfilled and then there would be no proof. This is Jesus, I mean, this is the Son of God, right? Oh, good cough, that didn't cause any disruption at all. I like the way you covered it.
Speaker 2:I should have gone back to 16 actually 16.
Speaker 1:Okay Psalm 2216. Oh, 2216.
Speaker 2:For dogs encompass me, a company of evil doers and circles me. They have pierced my hands and feet. I can count all my bones. They stare and gloat over me. They divide my garments among them, and for my clothing they cast lots.
Speaker 1:Wow, that's even so. He didn't even mention the rest of that prophecy there he just says oh, this one little part where they cast lot for his garment, it was because of this. That's pretty cool, Steve, thank you. Um, okay Again. By the way, pilot puts a sign up. Now I think again he is mocking mocking the Jews, not mocking Jesus.
Speaker 1:I don't know this for sure. Um, maybe he's mocking Jesus as well, but you know, saying All right, you know this guy says King. You say you know he calls himself son of God, I'm going to call this guy the king of the Jews and there's nothing you can do about it. Um, which you know part of me likes pilot right there. Um, yeah, and it is true. Jesus says uh, where was it? Jesus says that, um, when he, when he is not responding to pilot and pilot says you know why don't you say something? This is back in verse 11. He says um, you would have no authority over me at all unless it had been given you from above. Therefore, he who delivered me over to you has the greater sin. So even Jesus says pilot, pilot sin and putting him to death is the lesser, lesser sin, um, than what the Jews are doing.
Speaker 2:But if pilot doesn't repent, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1:I know, I'm just saying, I'm just saying Jesus says it's lesser. So, and you know, I want to agree with Jesus. What do you? Who do you want to agree with? Steve?
Speaker 2:I'm not disagreeing.
Speaker 1:Okay, I swear.
Speaker 3:I mean, I don't know, I think I might be giving pilot too much credit, but I think even the idea of not saying um, it's like the declarateness of putting the in front of King of the Jews, you know it's. It's almost as though, since pilot, you know we can assume, wrote it himself, because it says um, oh goodness, where to go?
Speaker 1:He says I have written what I have written.
Speaker 3:And also wrote an extreme. Yeah, he says I have written what I have written. So from there you see that there's an intentionality of him himself writing it, not telling some other lesser person to write it. So he himself, with the power of the governing authority over all of this land, over, you know, the people of Israel and the greater geographical area, with his power, he has been on almost am I going to earthly sense and the Romans, and he has dubbed him the king of the Jews. He has declared that before Christ went and was crucified. So I don't know, it's it's starting to seem like pilot may have more and more, um, you know, support for Jesus within. Um, you know one of my be there and just like a you know brainless reading of it, we just like, oh yes, jesus delivered, he died. That's very sad. I hate that he died. Move on.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the pilot was put there for this moment in time by God. That is true, so everything that happened here was meant to happen.
Speaker 1:Um, that's true, though, about the Jewish people in authority as well. Right, so they are. They are doing what God wants them to do. If you think about that, and not only that, but if you recall, a couple of chapters ago, the high priest was given a vision by God that one man should die for all the people.
Speaker 2:Um, meaning Jesus, um was that a vision, or did he just state it's better for one man to die.
Speaker 1:Uh, they said he prophesied. I think that, uh, maybe a vision. I don't remember exactly how it was worded, but, um, I thought I thought they said a vision, but at any rate, um, the claim was that it was from God. Um, because it was at least said that it was a prophet, a prophecy from him that one man should die meeting Jesus. But it really for him that meant to save Israel from uh being led astray by by, by Jesus. Not Jesus would save them from their sins.
Speaker 2:Um, his motives weren't um the same.
Speaker 1:Right. He did not understand the vision that God had given uh from a, from the purpose of it.
Speaker 2:So here's a question how many Mary's are there at the foot of the cross?
Speaker 1:Well, we know there are three. And is it just three, cause there seems like there's a lot here? Well, we know there's at least three. Um, and I did look up this because I I was shocked when I read this and I thought, hold it, I knew Mary, his mother was there, and I knew Mary Magdalene was there. Who is this? Mary, the wife of clopis? So I did look it up. Um many people so, uh, he, she has mentioned another places in the Bible as being the mother of James and Joseph, or uh, the mother of James, and just just, uh, I'm messing that up. Anyway, uh, depending on the gospel that you read, how it's written, some people believe this is actually Joseph's mother, as in the grandmother of.
Speaker 1:Jesus the grandmother of Jesus. Huh and um, I saw that a lot in, um, in Catholic writings. Now, I'm not Catholic so I don't know what that means, but um, it seems like the Catholic writings were uh all pointing to this woman as being Joseph's uh biological mother. So Jesus is Jesus's grandmother, but non biological grandmother.
Speaker 2:Interesting. So but why does he task John I'm assuming the disciple he loved here is John Yep and with taking care of his mother when she had, how many other sons would have taken care of her?
Speaker 1:Well, he had a brother named James right and another brother named did he have two brothers?
Speaker 2:Jude.
Speaker 1:I don't remember.
Speaker 2:Hey Jude.
Speaker 1:All right. I think this is why we brought Avery to answer these types of questions. Avery, how many brothers did Jesus have?
Speaker 3:Well, I know he definitely had the one, but beyond that I couldn't tell you either.
Speaker 2:Should we call a Chick-fil-A. You mean check with.
Speaker 1:Chick-fil-A. Let's don't do that today. I don't know.
Speaker 3:I don't know In times like these. I have a student study Bible and it has a commentary that goes along with it and part of my commentary for this part. The section of verse 26 and 27 said Jesus provided for his mother. She was almost certainly at the beginning of the book, almost certainly a widow and probably in her late 40s, early 50s, with little or no personal income.
Speaker 3:So this could have been part of Jesus very intentionally saying, like in the beginning of the churches of Acts, when you see the leaders go, okay, but we have too many people we need to take care of and there's too much stuff to be done. It can't be just done by the leaders we have now. We need to rise up new leaders from within the body. That way, all areas of service can be done. This could be like a small personal version of that. We need to take care of our widows, we need to take care of those who will be left with their own devices. And so, instead of just leaving it up to chance to see who takes care of his mother, he's saying like you, I am personally charging you with the care of my mother and making sure that she is cared for in her later days.
Speaker 2:You better watch it, or you might change Ken's opinion about Jen's ears that was a pretty good answer.
Speaker 1:It was a good answer. He's a smart dude. You know, the reason I make fun of Avery is because I think he's a smart dude and I think he can handle being made fun of without it being. This is very true.
Speaker 3:Well, did you tell Steve about when you made fun of my facial hair over the summer when we came by your house? I'm afraid I don't know yet. So we were sitting there and we were talking and Ken was just looking at us because my older brother, ethan he's the shortest of the brothers, at about six foot and a half, maybe six one, I'm probably six one and a half, maybe close to six and two thirds or like that, I don't know, I'm taller than Ethan, that's for sure. And then Glenn, our youngest brother, is like six, three, maybe six three and a half. So we grew up big over here and just looking at us and he sees my oldest brother with his wife, my youngest brother with his girlfriend, now his fiance. They got engaged, oh cool. And he sees me standing there all by myself and he goes. Well, you know, avery, you might get some women if you decided to go.
Speaker 3:An actual weird thing on your face. You don't get a mustache or anything there. I just kind of put my head down and raise it. I go. Well, ken, I can't actually grow it there. I'm trying my hardest, but thanks for the advice. Oh my gosh, I am so sorry, I didn't know you could have grown there. I was like no, ken, don't apologize, I'm making this real. Oh, I dropped something. Lydia's dying because she thinks it's funny, as I'll get it.
Speaker 2:Oh, I can totally see her. Oh yeah, I'm a fool.
Speaker 1:I can be a fool sometimes, believe it or not, steve, yeah, but an honest one.
Speaker 2:So you know he has his own word in the Urban Dictionary.
Speaker 1:All right, let's don't go through that right now, ken catastrophe. Go look at it, all right, yes. We're not going to go over it right here.
Speaker 2:But I don't have time for that, but look at Urban Dictionary for your catastrophe.
Speaker 1:It's actually in there twice. It was. Is it still in there twice?
Speaker 2:No, there's two definitions, I think. Okay, it's but they're both me yes, All right so.
Speaker 3:Hey, you're, you're Ken enough.
Speaker 1:Okay, I'm Ken enough. Yes, I can. Yeah, all right.
Speaker 1:Or movie All right, let's go on. I'm going to read the next two sections and together 28 through. You could 37 to the next three and be done. I don't want to.
Speaker 1:After this, jesus, knowing that all was now finished, said to fulfill the scripture, I thirst. A jar full of sour wine stood there. So they put a sponge full of sour wine on a his a branch and held it to his mouth. When Jesus said, receive the sour wine, he said it is finished and he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.
Speaker 1:Since it was the day of preparation and so that the bodies would not remain on the cross on the Sabbath for the Sabbath was a high day the Jews asked Pilate that their legs might be broken and that they might be taken away. So the soldiers came and broke the legs of the first and of the other who had, who had been crucified with him. But when they came to Jesus and saw that he was already dead, they did not break his legs, but one of the soldiers pierced his side with a spear and at once there came out blood and water. He who saw it has born witness. His testimony is true and he knows that he is telling the truth that you also may believe, for these things took place, that the scripture might be fulfilled. Not one of his bones will be broken and again another scripture says they will look on him whom they have pierced.
Speaker 2:Question for you.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:Where else is Hissop used in the Bible?
Speaker 1:Hissop is used as a drink to satisfy a thirst of a unusual thirstiness.
Speaker 2:It's a branch Hissop branch. Okay, during the when they were in Egypt, they used a Hissop branch to put the blood on the door timbers.
Speaker 1:Boom.
Speaker 2:That's actually useful.
Speaker 1:Weird huh. I don't think it's weird, but that is awesome.
Speaker 2:He's got a brain on him.
Speaker 1:Exodus 1221. So here they are, 22.
Speaker 2:Take a bunch of Hissop and dip it in the blood that is in the basin and touch the lintel and the two door posts with the blood that is in the basin.
Speaker 1:Wow, and here we go with the blood of the lamb again and a Hissop branch. Oh, my goodness, that is awesome. God thinks of everything.
Speaker 3:Wow, yeah, who would have known that he would give Steve the ability to connect those dots? Because I never have connected those dots like ever.
Speaker 1:Yeah, where did you find that? I don't think he did it himself. He read it.
Speaker 2:No, I did Really. I was like Hissop, what is Hissop? So I looked it up and that's what I found.
Speaker 1:Okay, steve, you know what that's crazy. I am taking away one of my negative comments that I would have said in the future about you. Oh, nice.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't even see a reference in any of my little pop-ups.
Speaker 1:Why not? That's ridiculous. Okay, that is awesome, steve. Thank you for sharing that and looking that up. Man, you know what?
Speaker 3:I'm definitely going to share that in the future.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I think that God probably led you to say what is Hissop.
Speaker 2:That is pretty cool and care.
Speaker 1:Because half the time you'll read stuff, just like me, and I don't know what that is, and just keep going. And this time God said look that up. So that's pretty awesome, all right. So, oh, here's where I may have gotten it.
Speaker 2:The reference to not one of his bones will be broken.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Exodus 1246. Where did I say I was 1221. Maybe I read that whole passage.
Speaker 1:Okay, but still.
Speaker 3:What was the passage you read for the bones being broken. I'm taking notes and whatnot 1246.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exodus 1246.
Speaker 2:It shall be eaten in one house and you shall not take any of the flesh outside of the house and you shall not break any of its bones Again. This is the lamb that was sacrificed.
Speaker 1:Right, you cannot break the bones of the lamb for the sacrifice, and that is who Jesus is for us. So let me ask you this I did not know this, but what is the significance of blood and water? So I'd heard this once.
Speaker 2:Well, go ahead.
Speaker 3:Go ahead. Oh, I was just going to say that I read A tiny bit of the commentary just on ax. I just looked at it said, oh, this has a commentary on the blood in the water. But you know, seeing the blood spilt helps to. You know, once again, show for the heat is fully man. But that was kind of what the commentary was saying. But I think to the water. You know, you see and Hear a lot of. You know the living water, you know Like crisis, you know the water you drink. Once you know she shone out thirst again. So it could be, you know, playing to that Idea if you make the living water.
Speaker 3:And that's where the part of the water Beyond that, I Honestly can tell you, but that's the the best I could think of.
Speaker 1:I've never heard of that. That's interesting, though that.
Speaker 1:I'm hoping you actually look something up here, so instead of just throwing a question when when the body, when the heart quits beating and the blood quits moving around the body, the blood and water separate from each other, and so, instead of, and so you know, sort of like like oil and water, if you keep stirring it, it's all, it'll be mixed, but as soon as you stop, it starts to separate. And so the fact that they, that blood and water poured out, was the sign that he was dead. And that's why it's significant, because that's what I had heard before because Jesus did die on the cross.
Speaker 2:Without having his bones broke without having his bones broken.
Speaker 1:So now, why did they?
Speaker 3:break his bones or not his, but because with your legs broke and you can't keep yourself up on the cross To be able to breathe easier, so you die.
Speaker 2:Yep, you suffocate, I've heard that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I didn't know if that was True or not, but I have heard that I.
Speaker 2:Have an idea? Yeah, let's try tying you up by your hand and see how hard it is for you to breathe.
Speaker 1:And then break my legs and see if it's even harder. That would be hilarious. It doesn't make it hard but, that's uh, I don't know about that. I disagree with that as being a fun thing to do, All right. I got the rope.
Speaker 2:Oh, and you're here in Austin. Too bad you didn't swing by.
Speaker 3:Oh, I don't have to rope with me, sadly oh.
Speaker 1:That's a shame. All right, all right, let's. Let's move on to this last section. I guess I'll read that too. After these things, joseph of Arimathea, who was a disciple of Jesus but secretly for fear of the Jews, asked Pilate that he might take away the body of Jesus, and Pilate gave him permission, so he came and took away his body. Nicodemus also, who earlier had come to Jesus, by night Came bringing a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about 75 pounds in weight. That's gotta be a lot, really expensive. So they took the body of Jesus and bound it in linen clothes with the spices, as is the burial custom of the Jews. Now, in the place where he was crucified, there was a garden and in the garden a new tomb in which no one had yet been laid. So, because of the Jewish day of preparation, since the tomb was close at hand, they laid Jesus there.
Speaker 2:So when I went to Israel, there were two places they claimed the crucifixion in the burial happened. One of them they had built a church on top of and it was Controlled by the Muslims Because there were three different denominations that wanted to claim it as their own and, to keep the peace, the Muslims had the keys. Wow Something like that.
Speaker 1:I'm probably butchering that story.
Speaker 2:Then the other place was a little ways out of town. There was this cliff, that Golgotha I think. If you look it up it looks like a skull or something. The cliff looked like a skull. Hmm there was a little tomb there. Of course, the people that were keeping it made a garden there. It was much more believable than the, than the church that All right, have we ever heard of Joseph of Arimathea before?
Speaker 1:No, we have not heard of this guy and he, it says he was secretly a follower of Jesus because he was afraid of the Jews.
Speaker 2:Well, nicodemus was a. I am.
Speaker 1:Tax collector right.
Speaker 2:Oh, is this the tax collector? I was thinking this was no, that's.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry there's no. No, I was thinking of zikeas. I.
Speaker 2:Think Nicodemus is a Pharisee.
Speaker 1:Nicodemus, nicodemus, what was Darn it? All I was thinking was like, yes, you come down from that tree.
Speaker 2:Nicodemus Nicodemus, mademois Nicodemus Nicodemus.
Speaker 1:No, that's Amadeus. Oh, Okay now. So my whole brain was messed up with who Nicodemus was. Now I don't know who he is. I.
Speaker 2:Thought he was a Pharisee.
Speaker 1:I think you're probably right. So, and he had, he was obviously wealthy.
Speaker 2:John 3 1. Now there was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus.
Speaker 1:There you go, man. You were valedictorian, weren't you, steve? I? Was man I can see it you're a bright guy sometimes.
Speaker 2:Nerd, it's the shine off my head. Hey me bright.
Speaker 1:Did you just call him a nerd? He plays board games, baby.
Speaker 2:Computer games. I have a 3d printer he is he's embracing that I play video games.
Speaker 3:I play D&D. I am also a nerd, welcome to the club.
Speaker 1:Okay, I don't know what else there's to say here. They put him in a tomb. You know they. That's what you do with dead people, right? You put him in a tomb. So yeah. Luckily, john, the book of John, doesn't end at chapter 19. It goes on In verse 20, and a chapter 20 has the good stuff.
Speaker 2:So Nicodemus though apparently he didn't have a lot of sway with his fellow Pharisees, or else he was afraid of them.
Speaker 1:I yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2:I bet he's not the only Pharisee that.
Speaker 1:There are other, you know. You don't know how Strong their belief was. Remember Jesus when he started talking? Or we had this in one of a like, maybe John 4. He starts saying some pretty tough things about who he is and eating the flesh and drinking the blood. Yeah, drink, it must drink my blood and eat my flesh and I've gone to talk your blood and a lot of his followers turned away at that point because they couldn't take the message.
Speaker 1:And I think I would say the Pharisees were in a tough spot, much like pilot that you know. What are they going to cling to? Are they gonna cling to this? There, they're their livelihood, which is Pharisee, a coldness, fair, fair, you know being a Pharisee, sure? Or are they gonna cling? To the truth of Jesus is, and you know that that is something people struggle with today.
Speaker 2:Yep, we all do. You struggle with that, steve, not the Pharisee part.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah, got my own crosses to bear. You know, that's where that saying Because I barely heard the audio.
Speaker 3:All the harvest and then your face look.
Speaker 2:That's normally how we speak.
Speaker 1:All right, guys. Well, I think that's it for tonight. We're right at 48 minutes and so long?
Speaker 2:Yeah, we've had longer.
Speaker 1:So all right, next week is what? John 20, john 20, now, look you. We just talked about Jesus's death on the cross. Guess what's coming. Guess what's coming.
Speaker 2:Hardy time.
Speaker 1:Steve, can you guess Easter? The Easter Bunny is coming to town.
Speaker 2:They're gonna plant some eggs all over the place.
Speaker 1:You know what's interesting? I think Easter. I think let's see if we record this next week. I think our Easter. I think our the resurrection of Christ, chapter 20, might come out on the day after Easter.
Speaker 2:We're not that close to Easter. Yes, we are.
Speaker 1:Oh no, we're not.
Speaker 3:No, I see in a March 19 releases today, which would mean that 20 releases next week.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I am, I am, I'm a whole month off, though I Got really confused. Yeah, I'm sorry. See sometimes people show that they're smart and some people show that they're not smart.
Speaker 2:So that's brilliant, can?
Speaker 1:All right, all right, guys. That is it for tonight. Just make sure you read John chapter 20 Again. Read it in multiple translations. It's a great, great way to understand Scripture better. The regular guys, bible study is a chasm LLC production all rights reserved.