The Regular Guys Bible Study
John 21
Ever wonder about the deeper meanings behind a shared meal or the number 153? Ken and Steve found themselves immersed in the profound simplicity of John's Gospel finale, where Jesus's post-resurrection appearance brings both a miraculous catch and a heart-warming breakfast on the beach. Their latest episode takes you through this intimate encounter, where every fish counts and every gesture speaks volumes, inviting you to consider the personal connections and promises fulfilled in these sacred moments.
Dive—figuratively—into the Sea of Tiberias with them as they puzzle over Peter's impromptu swimwear choice and the way a simple question from Jesus can carry the weight of redemption and commitment. The exchange meanders from lighthearted observations to soul-searching reflections, as they peel back the layers of Peter's pledge to tend to the flock. Join the conversation and you might just find parallels between Peter's dedication and your own spiritual journey, underlining the call to leadership and love that knows no bounds.
As they bid John's Gospel a fond farewell, anticipation for their foray into the rich wisdom of the Book of James is as palpable as the smell of fresh coffee brewing. They're taking a brief pause to gather their thoughts and prayers, especially for a beloved father's health, before returning with renewed vigor to tackle James's teachings. So, stay tuned and keep those headphones handy; the Regular Guys Bible Study Podcast is set to bring you more insights, banter, and growth in faith after a short interlude.
Ever wonder about the deeper meanings behind a shared meal or the number 153? Ken and Steve found themselves immersed in the profound simplicity of John's Gospel finale, where Jesus's post-resurrection appearance brings both a miraculous catch and a heart-warming breakfast on the beach. Their latest episode takes you through this intimate encounter, where every fish counts and every gesture speaks volumes, inviting you to consider the personal connections and promises fulfilled in these sacred moments.
Dive—figuratively—into the Sea of Tiberias with them as they puzzle over Peter's impromptu swimwear choice and the way a simple question from Jesus can carry the weight of redemption and commitment. The exchange meanders from lighthearted observations to soul-searching reflections, as they peel back the layers of Peter's pledge to tend to the flock. Join the conversation and you might just find parallels between Peter's dedication and your own spiritual journey, underlining the call to leadership and love that knows no bounds.
As they bid John's Gospel a fond farewell, anticipation for their foray into the rich wisdom of the Book of James is as palpable as the smell of fresh coffee brewing. They're taking a brief pause to gather their thoughts and prayers, especially for a beloved father's health, before returning with renewed vigor to tackle James's teachings. So, stay tuned and keep those headphones handy; the Regular Guys Bible Study Podcast is set to bring you more insights, banter, and growth in faith after a short interlude.
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Speaker 2:Bible together, not theologians, regular white guys with no rhythm.
Speaker 1:Okay, uh, yeah, yeah. I would just like to point out that I do have rhythm, and that was Steve trying to trying to put some rhythm in there. That was horrible.
Speaker 2:So a lot of times when Ken's embarrassed of something, he tries to blame it on something else.
Speaker 1:That is not true at all Steve. That was all Steve, and it was bad.
Speaker 2:Intentionally bad.
Speaker 1:That was not intentional it was. Okay, I saw you started off bad and then you made it.
Speaker 2:I started off a little bad and I was like well, I might as well make it work.
Speaker 1:Oh man, All right. Well, Steve, I am tired today.
Speaker 2:Well, I tired today.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, no, it's not my name. My name's still Ken. I can do it, but I am tired because we we are doing this right after work.
Speaker 2:Technically, I'm normally still at work right now.
Speaker 1:It's after 5pm.
Speaker 2:Oh it is. It took you longer to get here than I thought.
Speaker 1:My meeting went extra long. I thought it would be short. But enough about us and our tiredness. Is our tiredness that important, Steve? No, it's not.
Speaker 2:All right, then quit talking about it.
Speaker 1:So tiredness, you knew tiredness could be Katniss's brother.
Speaker 2:Okay, that's a pretty obscure reference to a book slash movie that a lot of people aren't going to get.
Speaker 1:Okay, well, you know what You're impressed that I know what you're talking about, I am impressed. I thought you would not. You would go. What Stupid tasting what no?
Speaker 2:the person that said it is the stupid person. Okay.
Speaker 1:All right anyway. Yes, that was a stupid joke, I admit. At any rate, we are in the very last chapter of John.
Speaker 2:John 21. That was a sound effect.
Speaker 1:That's a cricket. There we go, all right. Very last chapter of John. I think it's something we should cheer, obviously, which is why I hit several buttons.
Speaker 2:So you know, the record scratch was kind of appropriate, the cricket's not so much, and then the cheering was appropriate.
Speaker 1:You know what? I could have just looked at the thing that says which button is what, but I decided to just go for it, all right. Anyway, we're on the last chapter of John. It's been a great ride, I think let's go ahead and get started on John, chapter one. Steve, why don't you read the first section please?
Speaker 2:All right Making me read the long part, yep. After this, jesus revealed himself again to the disciples by the sea of Tiberius, and he revealed himself in this way Simon Peter, thomas called the twin Nathaniel of Canaan and Galilee. The sons of Zebedee and two others of his disciples were together. Simon Peter said to them I'm going fishing. They said to him, we will go with you. They went out and got into the boat, but that night they caught nothing.
Speaker 2:Just as day was breaking, jesus stood on the shore, yet the disciples did not know that it was Jesus. Jesus said to them children, do you have any fish? They answered him no, he said to them, cast the net on the right side of the boat and you will find some. So they cast it, and now they were not able to haul it in because of the quantity of fish. That disciple, whom Jesus loved, therefore said to Peter it is the Lord. When Simon Peter heard that it was the Lord, he put on his outer garment, for he was stripped for work and threw himself into the sea.
Speaker 2:The other disciples came in the boat dragging the net full of fish, for they were not far from the land but about a hundred yards off when they got out on land, they saw a charcoal fire in place and fish laid out on it, and bread. Jesus said to them bring some of the fish that you've just caught. So Simon Peter went aboard and hauled the net ashore full of the large fish 153 of them and although there were so many, the net was not torn. Jesus said to them come and have breakfast Now. None of the disciples dared ask him who are you? They knew it was the Lord. Jesus came and took the bread and gave it to them, and so with the fish. This was now the third time that Jesus was revealed to the disciples, after he was raised from the dead.
Speaker 1:All right, thanks, All right. First of all, who? Who were the sons of Zebedee James?
Speaker 2:and John, james and John, I have that same note.
Speaker 1:Also known as Sons of Thunder. Sons of.
Speaker 2:Thunder.
Speaker 1:I don't think I have a thunder.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I thought I did a pretty good thunder there, that's what that was. So then, yes, so how many of them total? We're going fishing.
Speaker 1:Can? That would be Peter Thomas, Nathaniel Cana.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:Nathaniel, the sons of Thunder and two other disciples, that's eight, seven.
Speaker 2:Seven is what I counted, yeah, seven.
Speaker 1:So seven of them went fishing. Peter said he was going to go, and then six others said I will go with you.
Speaker 2:I wonder about those two other disciples. Did John just forget who it was, or he's like? I don't care about those guys, I'm not even going to mention their names.
Speaker 1:It is weird. It's kind of like in Gilligan's Island. I don't know if you did you watch Gilligan's Island growing up way too much Okay, me too. I loved it in the very first season of Gilligan's Island. Do you know this? That the theme song was different?
Speaker 2:Really.
Speaker 1:Instead of saying the professor and Mary Ann here on Gilligan's isle, they said and the rest, oh yeah. And they left off the professor and Mary Ann from the song. And then the second and the second season on, they said Professor and Mary Ann.
Speaker 2:It's like you know, granted, I was young, but every episode I really hoped they'd get off the island.
Speaker 1:I don't know why you're fixated on Gilligan's Island, Steve. We're talking about the Bible here.
Speaker 2:Oh, sorry, I didn't mean to take us down that rabbit.
Speaker 1:Anyway, I think it's similar, I think he's just it's like two others.
Speaker 2:He probably but he went out of his way to say Nathaniel of Canaan in Galilee.
Speaker 1:That's true, and Thomas the twin. Yeah, you're right. Maybe he didn't remember who they were, and this was written quite a ways later, right, he wrote this down later, so maybe he just didn't remember who they were, or maybe they just were not important to him.
Speaker 2:So personally, I can't think of anything more frustrating or boring than sitting in a boat all night and catching nothing.
Speaker 1:Do you like to fish, steve? No, okay, I love to fish. I don't fish at night, but I've gone to the bay many times and now, okay, I take I go with a guide, typically because because you don't want to put the worm on the hook. No, it's because you don't put a worm on the hook. By the way, you would use either use shrimp, live shrimp, or something like that.
Speaker 2:Anyway, I've never deep sea.
Speaker 1:It's that's not considered deep sea fishing. I was bay fishing. It's much different.
Speaker 2:Okay, I've fished in a pond All right?
Speaker 1:Well, at any rate, I will say this the worst, most frustrating experience of my life has been a fishing trip where nothing was biting. So I can't imagine being out all night fishing and you catch nothing. That sounds awful.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So they're pretty miserable.
Speaker 2:I would think I do recall hearing a sermon once that suggested Peter and the other disciples really didn't know what to do. Jesus died, he was resurrected. They're like what now. And so they returned to their old ways of fishing, because they knew how to do that.
Speaker 1:That could be. I mean, plus, they need food. It might just be fishing because they need food, that could be. And you still have to make money. You still have to make a living. You know Paul for a little while, I think, for like a year and a half during the middle of his ministry, just made tents what who's? Who were the people he did that with?
Speaker 2:They were really intense.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Okay, so how much time do you think passed between when he showed up in the room versus now? I mean, we don't really know.
Speaker 1:Okay, so we know that between the first time and the second time it was about a week, right? Um, we don't know here. This is just another appearance and it does say this is the third appearance. So we do not know. We know from other scripture that it was less than 40 days, because he, he ascends after 40 days, correct?
Speaker 2:And 40 days really isn't that long.
Speaker 1:No, it is Um, a little over a month, yep, um, all right. So anyway, these guys go fishing. They get nothing. Um, they, somebody calls out to them on the shore, from the shore, they don't know who it is Call some children, children. And they, he says, uh, you know, he asked him if they caught anything. They said no, no, that's how I would say it, no. And um, he says, uh, cast your dad on the other side of the boat and you'll catch some. So you know, I was thinking about this. It's possible that part was not a miracle. He could have posted. It's possible. He saw them schooling on the other side of the boat.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I suppose. But I think this is sort of a flashback to earlier, when Jesus. I hear what you're saying called them to throw their nets. No, we have. We haven't caught anything all day, but at your word I'll throw them out. Yeah, and then they had to call other boats to haul them in.
Speaker 1:Right, I agree with you. I'm just trying to. I'm just saying that might not be a miracle.
Speaker 2:I think it is, but.
Speaker 1:I think it probably is. Um, we, I think it's. He's indicating it's a miracle that the nets didn't tear, even though there were so many and they were all huge, uh, that the nets normally wouldn't wouldn't hold up to such a haul. Um, all right. So why do you think they don't recognize Jesus?
Speaker 2:So I had a similar question of was he that hard to recognize or were they still so full of doubt that he was resurrected that they, their mind, wouldn't let them recognize him?
Speaker 1:I don't know. So I I can understand why they didn't recognize him from a distance, because they it was like at daybreak or something right.
Speaker 2:It's uh. The sun could have been behind him.
Speaker 1:Um, where's. Oh, my iPad is about to run out of out of battery. Um, stupid, let's see. Uh, what dang it, where is it?
Speaker 1:Um, I don't know what you're looking for, so I can't tell you the time it says that he calls out Um, ah, just as day was breaking. It says so it's. It's that time of day when it's you can see people but you can't really see any details. Um, and it says later on they're about a hundred yards away, so it's like they're at the other side of a football field. Um, so you know, not necessarily easy to recognize somebody, but even later it's they're giving ciudad are giving out All right. I'm about to tell you some very important details. I assure you. They're saying we are working together in the out house community, enforceable in the college community. Why?
Speaker 2:not talk to you about that earlier today as they're in strike. Quick points out in Verse 12 when he says come and have breakfast. It says now, none of the disciples dared ask him who are you. They knew it was the Lord, like like there's still some question of who he is.
Speaker 1:That? Yeah, that isn't. That is another interesting thing. So is he? Does he have his head covered? Does he have? Is he unshaven? Is there just hair everywhere? I Don't know. Why can't they recognize him from his physical appearance? I?
Speaker 2:Don't know.
Speaker 1:I Don't know either, steve. You know what?
Speaker 2:else I don't know what. Why would Peter put clothes on to jump in the water? I? Never thought about that.
Speaker 1:Why did he okay it?
Speaker 2:makes no sense. He, he could have maybe held it over his head, if you know it was shallow enough, and kept them dry, and then put him on when he got to shore. But no, he puts them on, then jumps in the water.
Speaker 1:I Don't get that maybe that's how they swim in the water. Back then he put on his parasol. I Don't know.
Speaker 2:I think you mean speedo.
Speaker 1:He was wearing his speedo. I think it was because you know it's an appropriate dress for, not For being not not working in the boat. Hmm, that's that's my guess, is that.
Speaker 2:I would like to know, like, the cultural or historical reason for that, like maybe there really is a good reason for it.
Speaker 1:I'm assuming there's a good reason for it. It's not like John is saying, he's obviously not saying for some reason Peter threw on his other coat Even though he was jumping in the water.
Speaker 2:Or maybe he just likes to make fun of Peter because he is the one whom Jesus loved. That's true. He likes to point that out a lot.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and what's interesting it? He's around Peter a lot. It seems like he and Peter like seem to be buds, but also in competition, like he beat Peter to the to the tomb and and there's just seems to be a little bit of rivalry.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but Peter is the rock Upon which he'll build his church.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but just wait till what we read in a second.
Speaker 2:So before we go there, jesus was already cooking fish. Yes where those fish miraculous fish, because that was before they brought him on shore.
Speaker 1:We don't know what, anything about those fish. I'm not gonna speculate on miraculous fish or not. Steve, how would I know. We know nothing. He was just cooking some fish.
Speaker 2:We do know one thing what? Peter must be pretty strong, because a hundred and fifty three fish, and he pulled the net in by himself you know, it doesn't say did it by himself.
Speaker 1:Hmm, I think I I got the impression that they all did it and he threw himself into the sea. The other Simon's came in the boat dragging the net full of fish, for they Were not far from the land when they.
Speaker 2:To me that means the net still hanging in the water.
Speaker 1:So Simon Peter went aboard and hauled the net ashore full of large fish.
Speaker 2:Well, how big is a large fish? You're the fisherman here. What would you consider a large fish?
Speaker 1:Well they're, you know, really they're about a foot long, but they're they. You say they're like three feet long.
Speaker 2:So that's true. So it probably wasn't a pound each. I was thinking around at least a pound each.
Speaker 1:No, they were probably. I would guess they were 24 inches or more. How much does a?
Speaker 2:24 inch fish.
Speaker 1:You know, probably Three to eight pounds, depending on the.
Speaker 2:I don't know what kind of fish we're talking about here three to eight pounds, really that much. That's a lot of weight.
Speaker 1:That would be a lot of weight, yes, but in the water. That's not very much, but once they start dragging ashore that's gonna be a lot. And maybe, you know, maybe that's what the remarkable thing is, because he drug the net over the ground to get get them in.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it could have snagged on like an old car tire or something. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yes, an old car tire, all right. So, anyway, I don't know why they didn't recognize Jesus, but they did know it was him, which is interesting. They know it's Jesus, but it's not because of Facial recognition. Right, that's what it, that's what it sounds like.
Speaker 2:It wasn't invented yet.
Speaker 1:No, that. No, I mean personal. I'm not talking about electronic, oh, recognition. It's not like they said here Jesus, unlock your iPhone if it's you. But they knew it was him and you know. I think it becomes pretty obvious that it's him If we continue on. So, anyway, he invites him to breakfast, and I think the fish that he's cooking there are for him and it. But he invites them and that's why he says you know, bring some fish. And so it's like he's cooking his own food. Bring some fish and and now you can have some food too the thought of fish for breakfast just makes my stomach Girdle oh, why don't we continue on to the next section?
Speaker 1:and I'll read this section because it's really short. When they had finished breakfast, jesus said to Simon Peter Simon, son of John, do you love me more than these? He said to them yes, lord, you know that I love you. He said to him feed my lambs. He said to him a second time Simon, son of John, do you love me? He said to him yes, lord, you know that I love you. He said to him 10 my sheep. He said to him the third time Simon, son of John, do you love me?
Speaker 1:Peter was grieved because he had, because he said to him the third time Do you love me? And he said to him Lord, you know everything, you know that I love you. Jesus said to him Feed my sheep. Truly, truly, I say to you when you were young, you used to dress yourself and walk wherever you wanted, but when you are old, you will stretch out your hands and another will dress you and carry you where you do not want to go. This was said to show what kind of death he was going to glorify God. And after saying this, he said to him follow me.
Speaker 1:So, yes, all right, so um all right. So here Jesus starts Asking Peter three times If he loves him.
Speaker 2:So why three?
Speaker 1:You know, I think, and I think you think too that this is related To the three times that he denied him before some weird, weird God made a sound that, no, before the cock crowed. Um, he denied him three times and he said he would. And then he asked him here three times Do you love me? Um, so I think that's related and you do too. Um, now, I think it's interesting the progression of things that he asked him to do. They're similar but different.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:So the very first thing is feed my lambs. What are lambs? Baby sheep, baby sheep. Then he says tend to my sheep. What are sheep? They're not baby sheep, they're grown-up lambs Grown-up lambs, I'll grown up, and what does it mean to tend?
Speaker 2:Take care of. Take care of, yes. Guide.
Speaker 1:So it's all of them right. It's guide lead feed, it's lead them to water. You know, give them places to rest, whatever you do to a sheep. But the third one's very similar to the first, and then the last one is feed my sheep. So two feeds, two feeds, and I think, tend my sheep tending. Wouldn't tending part of tending be feeding? I would think so. I would think so too, but I don't know. And so that last one, I don't know what to do with it.
Speaker 2:But the very first question, Simon, son of John, do you love me more than these? What are these?
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, that's. I meant to note that.
Speaker 2:Is it the?
Speaker 1:fish.
Speaker 2:Or is it the other disciples?
Speaker 1:And I don't know the answer, because it could be either he loves to fish. He loves to fish, oh, maybe that's it.
Speaker 2:I didn't get the light bulb, you just got.
Speaker 1:Okay. So you were saying they don't know what to do, right. And so he said let's go fishing or I'm going to go fishing.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And now Jesus, maybe this is a whole, maybe this whole thing is based on. Why are you fishing? Could be. Do you love me more than these? Do you Do you love me more than you love to go fish and bring in a big haul, that you're so happy that you got 153 big fish?
Speaker 2:That would be pretty exciting that would be exciting, but do you? And.
Speaker 1:I don't even like to fish. I mean, man, steve, you like had a. I think I think you're onto something here, because I've never really understood this and I'm I'm at least I have another angle to pull on here that I have not recognized before that he could be saying do you love me more than going fishing?
Speaker 2:What would he say to you? And ask what do you like? What? What thing in your life? Would he say do you love me more than these? Are you going to answer this to Steve? I hope not.
Speaker 1:There's so many more things.
Speaker 2:There's so many If I look at it from the amount of time I spend on this, that or the other.
Speaker 1:There's a lot of stuff I spend more time on than serving God. Yeah, so I can see him saying do you love your job more than you love me? Do you love money more than me? Do you love sitting around playing on games? Do you like playing games more than you like me? Do you love your kids more than me?
Speaker 2:Watching stupid movies or TV.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:There's a lot of stuff.
Speaker 1:Okay, but but he's not talking about us, Steve, he's talking about?
Speaker 2:He's talking to the disciples here.
Speaker 1:Everybody else. Yeah, yeah, do you love me more than these? That is that is something we need to think about in our own lives. I agree, steve, so given.
Speaker 2:Peter's past performance I could see where maybe he's thinking oh, he wants me to give these feet the fish to the rest of the disciples to eat, because he says feed my lambs, feed my sheep. Now I've got all these big fish, I can go feed them. And I think we both know that's not what he's saying.
Speaker 1:That is not what he's saying. I'm pretty sure and I think Peter knows what he's saying, but maybe not. Maybe he tells him later because we don't get the rest of the story. True, but he says follow me. What's interesting? Okay, I think it's interesting that he says this thing that says use to dress yourself and walk wherever you want, but when you are old, you will stretch out your hands and another will dress you and carry you where you do not want to go. And then he says this is this he said to show what kind of death he would. He was to glorify God. And then he said follow me. It's like, and at first, if you just read that section, you might think he's saying just a command in general follow me. But I don't think that's the case, because what we're about to read, he actually walks away. It's like follow me and let's talk. Let's talk is what I think that's. That is because I'll go ahead and read this next section, steve, but wait before you do.
Speaker 2:What kind of death did Peter have?
Speaker 1:It's my understanding, he died upside down on a cross with his arms spread out. That's what I've been told. I don't know why I know that and how factual that is. That's just what I've been told.
Speaker 2:Okay, go ahead.
Speaker 1:All right. So and do you realize how nice I'm being? I'm reading this instead of taking turns.
Speaker 2:I'm going to read it. Yeah, both sections are still small All right.
Speaker 1:Peter turned and saw the disciple whom Jesus loved following them. See, so he is following Jesus. Now it's like. It's not like like follow me, as in follow Christ. It's as in I'm walking, follow me.
Speaker 1:Saw the disciple Jesus loved following them, the one who also had leaned back against him during the supper and had said Lord, who is it that is going to betray you? When Peter saw him, he said to Jesus Lord, what about this man? Jesus said to him if it is my will that he remain until I come, what is it to you? You follow me. So the saying spread abroad among the brothers that this disciple was not to die. Yet Jesus did not say to him that he was not to die. But if it is my will that he remain until I come, what is it to you? This is the disciple who is bearing witness about these things and who has written these things, and we know that his testimony is true.
Speaker 1:Now, there are many. There are also many other things that Jesus did, where every one of them to be written. I suppose that the world itself could not contain the books that would be written, all right. So so Peter starts following him. Yeah, john starts trailing behind as well. Peter's like wait. What about him? He told me to follow him. Why are you?
Speaker 2:following me. Oh, I took it more, like you just asked all these tough questions of me. What about this guy behind me? Oh, I think no.
Speaker 1:I think that's a I've always thought, thought this was John started following too, but but maybe not. You could be right, or maybe you know what. There's another thing I just realized, and this actually might make more sense, that Peter recognized that Jesus was talking about his death, because he said what about this man? How is he going to die?
Speaker 2:And John is sort of hinting that that's how they took Jesus' response.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So yeah, I might be stupid here. I think I might be stupid, which would be the very first time I've ever been stupid.
Speaker 2:Yeah, right, so do you think John really did live forever?
Speaker 1:I think not, but I don't know. He could still be alive somewhere.
Speaker 2:But would that be a curse or a blessing?
Speaker 1:It depends on what state you're living in, I think. You mean like If you're in Oklahoma, no, oklahoma's great. If you were in the state of denial, egypt, anyway, no, I'm sure he's dead. John even acted like this is that's a stupid thing, because he didn't say I was going to live forever. He's just trying to.
Speaker 2:Which means he probably really is still alive and was trying to throw off the trail so people wouldn't try to hunt him down.
Speaker 1:Highlander, there could be only one. Yeah, I you know. Do we know about John's death? I don't think we know.
Speaker 2:So he wrote Revelation right.
Speaker 1:Was that John?
Speaker 2:On the island of Patmos.
Speaker 1:I think that was John. Yes.
Speaker 2:I don't recall if it says in the end Well, he can't write about his own death. He can't write about his own death, unless he's faking it. So, you know I don't know.
Speaker 1:Maybe he's still on that island. You know, I can tell you this Excuse me Nice yawn kid. I told you I was tired, but I will say this John himself it sounds like right here doesn't believe that's what Jesus meant.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1:So I think it's interesting the way John talks about himself at the end. This is the disciple who is bearing witness about these things. So he's saying I am the person. The person writing this down is the person that that was about and who has written these things, and we know that his testimony is true. We know that his testimony is true. Why would he write that about himself, like that?
Speaker 2:Perhaps at this point in time there's enough false doctrine going around that he felt the need to legitimize this book this letter, maybe.
Speaker 1:So I thought of one mother. One mother reason, one mother reason. No, I thought of another possibility, and you know, this is the kind of thing I should look up to see if other theologians not other theologians, because I'm not a theologian to see what theologians say about this. But could it be that, through all of John, john is dictating this to someone who's writing it down?
Speaker 2:It could be.
Speaker 1:And then, at this point, it's not John, and he's saying, this is a disciple who's bearing witness to these things. No, and who has written these things? Darn, he says, and who has written these things?
Speaker 2:Yeah, he still could be somebody else that is doing the writing ascribe or something, and we know that his testimony is true.
Speaker 1:So I do wonder about that. That could be either that or it's some cultural thing I don't understand which is very possible. Yeah, both of those are possible to me.
Speaker 2:There's cultural things from the younger generation that I don't understand, and that's just a couple of years, that's true, this is thousands of years.
Speaker 1:I'll say Gen Z is the weirdest generation. I've seen a lot of generations in my age. I'm a Gen Xer and so are you, steve.
Speaker 2:I know.
Speaker 1:So what we had you're almost a boomer. That is not true. Okay, what generations have come after us? We were Gen X, then there was Millennials. Were they after us?
Speaker 2:No, there's something Millennials and then Gen Z.
Speaker 1:Yeah, millennials were before Gen Z. Is it just millennials after? Us, it's just millennials and then Gen Z, so Gen X millennials and Gen Z and millennials, they have their own thing, but Gen Z, I swear Okay Gen Z people out there that I'm talking to Straighten the heck up, man.
Speaker 2:We could go down a lot of dark trails. Right now, I'm just going to keep my mouth shut. But I agree, there's some weird stuff going on.
Speaker 1:How did we get on that? What is that about?
Speaker 2:You said it could be a cultural difference.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. I don't know what else to say here, Steve Me either.
Speaker 2:What's our next book, Ken?
Speaker 1:All right, well, we were talking about that. And James, you think James?
Speaker 2:Yeah, it'll work All right, Unless you'd rather do like Deuteronomy or Numbers.
Speaker 1:I do love Deuteronomy. Should we do that?
Speaker 2:Maybe next time.
Speaker 1:Okay, all right. So, guys, let's go to James next. We might take a week break. I think we should take a one week break.
Speaker 2:Yeah, since I'm going to be gone and you'd have to. Oh, you're going to be gone. That's right, I'll be gone.
Speaker 1:How long are you going?
Speaker 2:to be gone. Steve, I don't know.
Speaker 1:Okay, well, can you take your mic with you? No, you can't take a mic with you.
Speaker 2:Steve, I'm trying to not check a bag. Oh my goodness, oh my gosh. By the way, I'd appreciate prayers for my father, who's ill at the moment, which is why I don't know when I'm coming back.
Speaker 1:Yes, okay, all right. Well, when we do our next one, it will be James, chapter one, with a short intro about James. Maybe we'll do the whole first thing on intro to James. I don't know, it depends on how much info there is about James, the book of All right.
Speaker 1:Anyway, guys that is it, we are done, and I really appreciate it. Oh, yeah, we got to do the. Yeah, we are Okay. There we go, got the right one, I got it. We're done with James. Yeah, woo, woo, woo, woo, woo, woo, woo, woo, woo, woo, woo, woo, woo, woo, woo, woo, woo, woo, woo, Woo, woo. Ok, because Ryan sant viver water is a Kazem LLC. Production.