Hero or Dick
Hero or Dick - Season 2, Ep 3 - Pablo Picasso
Hero or Dick: The Picasso Enigma
Can the 'dickishness' associated with artistic brilliance still find a place in today's polite society?
Dive into a whirlwind journey through the life and art of one of history's most celebrated and debated figures. This episode of Hero or Dick peels back the layers of Picasso's complex world, from his groundbreaking contributions to modern art to the contentious tales behind his iconic status.
Join Kate and KJ for an episode filled with intriguing insights and spirited discussion as they dissect the life of a man who saw the world in shapes and colors radically different from anyone before him.
Thanks for your support!
~ Kate & KJ
HeroOrDick2023@gmail.com
Hero or Dick: The Picasso Enigma
Can the 'dickishness' associated with artistic brilliance still find a place in today's polite society?
Dive into a whirlwind journey through the life and art of one of history's most celebrated and debated figures. This episode of Hero or Dick peels back the layers of Picasso's complex world, from his groundbreaking contributions to modern art to the contentious tales behind his iconic status.
Join Kate and KJ for an episode filled with intriguing insights and spirited discussion as they dissect the life of a man who saw the world in shapes and colors radically different from anyone before him.
Thanks for your support!
~ Kate & KJ
HeroOrDick2023@gmail.com
Okay, hi, can you hear me? I can't get anybody else oh we won't know because, nobody emails us at hero or dick 2023 at gmailcom.
Speaker 2:Actually we didn't get it. We did actually get email, that plural no.
Speaker 1:And it was from family. Oh, but that counts. Yeah, that's good. That's good. It's a season 2 episode and it's a beautiful day here in Alpina.
Speaker 2:Michigan, february and sunny, we'll take it.
Speaker 1:You're looking forward to Valentine's Day, I guess.
Speaker 2:I really don't celebrate it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, don't lie.
Speaker 2:I might buy some chocolate the next day when it's on sale, but I don't really, you know. No, I think it's a Hallmark holiday, I really do, but don't, we need it.
Speaker 1:Some people need to stop and get flowers for their wife.
Speaker 2:Sounds like you, or maybe their husband or whatever. Maybe people need a reason to be romantic I don't know Just romantic all the time, mario, you know what he said candy, and that's one of my favorite things.
Speaker 1:I got it. You know, we all know about the cookie thing. I have an issue with that. But you know what I've been eating the last couple days? Skittles, oh no, but those I get too, those damn nerds. Jelly beans, oh, those are good, yeah, so are the jellybelly, no the starburst ones. Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:And I'm not even a jelly bean person, but those are delicious.
Speaker 1:Jelly bellies are great. Is that what they're called? Well, the famous ones are jellybells and if you go to big lots they sell belly flops, which are the jellybelly rejects Really. Yeah, and they're great and they're all shaped weird and stuff.
Speaker 2:But I'm not prejudiced. They're like a bucket bag. Oh, my gosh, oh.
Speaker 1:I'll have to go check that out Anyway. Okay, well, anyway, speaking of romantic, our topic today is Pablo Picasso. Oh, he was a romantic. All right, he was.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna say no, not so much. I think he wooed women and customers until he didn't need to anymore.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah, I think he used quite a few people he did. I think he objectified. I mean, that was normal back in the day. And one thing I learned about studying this fellow and it's one documentary I was watching it's a good point. We talk about this often as we judge people hero or dick. This is entertainment. Don't get pissed off at us, it's just a show. But the thing is.
Speaker 2:It's really our opinion too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, everybody is entitled to their opinion.
Speaker 2:They're wrong, we're giving you the info so you can decide Sure.
Speaker 1:What do you think Hero or dick and the? It's all about context, because back in the 1800s, early 1900s, whatever, that's a different time we're judging somebody now based on what we know.
Speaker 2:Right. So if he was living in the world today. It is a total dick. But we'll see if he's a hero or dick. And thank you a belly food to Beth Hurd for giving us the topic suggestion in an email.
Speaker 1:Belly food. Thank you I have a confession to make real quick. Somebody touched your microphone.
Speaker 2:Oh.
Speaker 1:When you weren't here.
Speaker 2:Was it like with a body part? No, Like, oh never mind.
Speaker 1:I just thought, stepbrothers all of a sudden were rubbing his balls on a drum set. No, nothing like that. Now I had two friends in here. As you know, I had a bit of a problem with alcohol in the past and so it's over for going up years. But I had some friends who recently quit drinking and I'm like, hey, you know what, it might be a good idea just to get together and talk about that and other things you know, so you're not losing it up. And so we came in here and they weren't really impressed with our setup, but that was pretty cool. Maybe we'll have them as a guest one day.
Speaker 2:Maybe not if they weren't impressed.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's true, all right.
Speaker 2:So, pablo, I also just want to give another belly who out, before I forget to Jake and Amanda for listening to the serial. Jake and Amanda, son of a bitch, listen to the serial we got. I got a lot of feedback on the serial episode. Not so much that was last week, you guys can still listen Not so much in the email, but I had received a lot of texts about it. Everybody has an opinion about serial. Yay, yeah, and I saw you bought the Oreo.
Speaker 1:I did. Was it as good as I said? It's pretty good, that's pretty good, pretty good. I have an issue with serial. Oh man Makes my belly full. Oh, like maybe some milk could be, but you can't have serial, though Milk Can't you. And it can't be wet, you can't go.
Speaker 2:Oh, yes, sorry. Yes, it is gross. You know what would you call it?
Speaker 1:I don't know Moist, his moist.
Speaker 2:No, it is not.
Speaker 1:Everybody likes a little moist cereal.
Speaker 2:Sorry, Cass.
Speaker 1:Okay, moving on to.
Speaker 2:Pablo. He was born in 1881.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he was In.
Speaker 2:Spain, and he didn't die until 1973. That's a long life.
Speaker 1:Yeah, really long.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I didn't do the math, but he was heavily influenced by who?
Speaker 1:His papa, his father, who was also an artist in his own right and a teacher, but boys and their dads, you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, what else do you know about his young years?
Speaker 1:That I can remember.
Speaker 2:Were you there? Well, from what I saw, he was artistic from the beginning. Oh, that's what he had. He had an inherent or inherent.
Speaker 1:That too.
Speaker 2:Whatever the word is for art. Like it was predisposed in him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I saw not in person, but I saw pictures of his photo or paintings when he was eight and nine years old. We're talking unbelievable. Like that's not normal. That's like Jimi Hendrix playing guitar or stuff, you know.
Speaker 2:it's like yeah, but even Jimi Hendrix had to practice a lot. You know, I think Pablo just was hanging him out so from the very beginning, and His style, even his style, early style, wasn't it started traditional because that's all people knew, right? Yeah, you know, they didn't know to make it surreal or any other cubism or anything. They just didn't know because they hadn't done it yet. Right.
Speaker 1:And he was a bit of a thief, which most artists in Korea people are. You know, they steal other people's oh steal.
Speaker 2:But is it stealing or is it interpreting your vision of it?
Speaker 1:Yeah, Because stealing it to use it for your own?
Speaker 2:Yeah, if you are painting it, right, if you are painting it to copy it and and signing Rembrandt's name on it, then that's stealing.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:But if you are looking at a painting and going, huh, I think I can do that better.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:And then do it in your interpretation.
Speaker 1:I don't think that's stealing, no it was stealing, but yeah, just kidding.
Speaker 2:I thought I think that's being.
Speaker 1:inspired he was heavily influenced as well in his early years and later by bullfighting, the whole romance of bullfighting in the battle between man and beast and man and himself, and that's reflected in a lot of his so not only in the visual, but in the what's the word.
Speaker 2:I'm looking for symbolism.
Speaker 1:Symbolism theme. Yeah, yeah, and there were. Some paintings were later a minotaur, I guess it's called right Half man, half beast. He had some very erotic.
Speaker 2:He had a lot of erotic stuff and they said that I like to draw a penis. He's like the one in the chick's face.
Speaker 1:Anyhow, it's a 17 year old girlfriend. I'm sure we'll get to that. But anyway, he I think scholars and people who apparently are smarter than us said that a lot of the depiction of the beast and that kind of thing was.
Speaker 2:He was reflecting himself, how he felt about himself because he kind of did know that he was kind of Symbolism.
Speaker 1:Yeah, kind of a bestial person inside.
Speaker 2:So who is the bull the world?
Speaker 1:I don't know. I'd have to rewatch the documentary and not take an actor.
Speaker 2:He was also influenced by Henri Matisse.
Speaker 1:Who wasn't, though, I'm just kidding.
Speaker 2:He who motivated him to become more radical, and the two are often deemed leaders of modern art and I think they were kind of competitors even after a while, you know they tried to one up each other.
Speaker 2:So then you go yeah, he had a lot of. He was starting to morph into these different periods and different things. He wasn't just a painter of landscapes, say, or portraits. So then when he I like how the one thing I read categorized everything into the periods. So he had his blue period, so like early 1900s, and that example was the old guitarist. So you can still tell it's a person, it's a guy playing a guitar, even if he's kind of contorted a little bit or not, like a traditional person playing the guitar. Then in his rose period, which came next blue, then rose the family of a Santa Macchis, which is the Vagabond circus, people Like a jester. Anybody Google this people, but you would recognize it if you saw it, Even if you, I mean I didn't know the names of a lot of them.
Speaker 2:It's like oh yeah, that jester painting, yeah, so then it was African influenced and did a lot of female figures and sculptures. That's where sculptures come in and you don't really think of him as a sculptor, but he did have a lot of sculptures. At least I didn't think of him as a sculptor. No. I didn't either, but he did a lot of sculpting. I think that was kind of a way to make money though, too.
Speaker 1:I mean because he didn't make money for a long time. He didn't so like 1937. Yeah.
Speaker 2:You know, a lot of people have to die before they make any money.
Speaker 1:Yeah, when he hit it, though, pow, he was incredibly lucky.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he was famous. And then he was famous for the last half of his life really and, yeah, he kind of used that too, which is fine. I mean, you have to work. One thing that I read, and this is a good example of that a woman came up to him in a restaurant when he was older and said here, draw me a picture. And she gave it, you know, on the napkin, and drew it, and he gave it to her and he said that'll be $1,000. And she's like what do you mean? It took you two seconds to draw. And he said it took me 40 years to draw.
Speaker 1:To get to that point.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, that lady wasn't very happy, no, I guess I see both sides, yeah, but more I understand. You know there'd be a dick about it, pablo, but I get it. You know I can't just crank these out. You know, everywhere I go, right, I really could.
Speaker 1:Well, and how many people ask for that stuff? He's probably after a while. It's like come on, leave me alone, yeah.
Speaker 2:This was, like you know, people going up to Whitney Houston or somebody who can sing and going hey, pop me on a lyric there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I understand, but you do have to put that in context, because he did say, or supposedly said, that there are two types of women goddesses and doormats.
Speaker 2:So she might have been a doormat. Well, she was.
Speaker 1:If she was a goddess, she pretty good God definitely.
Speaker 2:So what is the determination between the two factors? I don't know.
Speaker 1:I wasn't there, but that's pretty extreme, yeah, and who knows, he was a boozer. He could have been drinking when he said that.
Speaker 2:You know I don't know, not that it makes it okay, I don't know, but I didn't hear that quote.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know, we've skipped over his name too.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, what's his name?
Speaker 1:It's really long.
Speaker 2:Say your name. Say your name.
Speaker 1:It's 23 words long.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's where we go.
Speaker 1:That's what I got here. I don't know if that's true or not. I don't even know if I can. Where'd it go? Oh, this full name is 23 words long.
Speaker 2:Is.
Speaker 1:I'll try. Okay, go. Pablo Diego, jose, francisco de Polo, one Niponuchio, maria de las remedios, quebranio de la Santina Maras, the Trinidad martyr, patrick, oh Clito.
Speaker 2:That's not his name.
Speaker 1:Wow is, I don't know, picasso. That's what it said. That's why that's straight from the internet. It's gotta be the truth home. Double, p, double.
Speaker 2:Let's see. So yeah, there's. So another era or period of his was the cubism and that was that Harlequin the aging jester. This looks the very angled and you know, they're really, they're really different and very Forward-thinking for the time. I mean, now we would look at it and just say, yeah, and because you can make art of any kind that looks weird, and then it was or looks different.
Speaker 2:I should say and then it was just here. You got a portrait or landscape. Cheek pick, yeah. And then the last one was the surrealism, and what I liked was when he combo them all together, and a very famous painting of his is the Gwit Gwernica yep like 37.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the German bombing of Gwernica during the Spanish Civil War is Black and white, but there is. There's so much going on and it's not black and white, it shades of black and white. And the best thing that I discovered about this was during World War two. Pablo remained in Paris and the Germans, of course, did not like his stuff, because they like more traditional.
Speaker 2:Sure so they were either getting rid of it or, you know, burning it. But during a search of his apartment, an officer saw a photo Not the real one, but the photo of that Gwernica Gwernica and asked Pablo, did you do that? And he said no, you did hmm, what a scarty guy man.
Speaker 1:You gotta love it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's pretty sassy to talk to a German soldier.
Speaker 1:Yeah, must have been. I doubt it if it was during the war, he created 20,000 works. Amazing different paintings. Yes, no, is that?
Speaker 2:counting his poetry. I don't know about that, because during the war, the war, our supplies were short. Mm-hmm so we had to have some creative outlet start roll up homes. Well, I know, if there are one poems, he wrote over 300 poems. No shit, because he couldn't get resources, art resources, huh, I thought that was. I like that yeah do what you can, what you got the resources for, hmm, so what else?
Speaker 1:see, I did buying different, excuse me, I go through and I try to find the dirt. There's a lot of dirt on.
Speaker 2:There's a lot of dirt on him because the woman eyes yeah. So what do you have other than woman eyes?
Speaker 1:I don't know, I just like talking about that part Cuz he's terrible.
Speaker 2:He is terrible.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:I always terrible. He went out. What I wrote was I read and read and read and saw stuff and heard it over the years and I just was so disgusted with it all. I'm like yeah, he went through a lot of women and he wasn't good to him.
Speaker 1:No, that's basically what it was Like the overlapping affairs. You know he'd be married to one in the start. He'd find the next one. The creepiest one was only he was like 30. I don't know, 35 to 40 and he Hooked up with the seventh year old girl walking down the sidewalk and said hey, I can help you with your art, you know, career, whatever I don't know what it was and and ended up walking up one there. But she stayed with them. They got married, you know. They had kids.
Speaker 2:How many kids does he have? We know.
Speaker 1:I had it here somewhere, but we keep going on that.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:I was thinking then before the blonde girl he had Another one. I think it was his first wife maybe, and she was like she was a model and she was really well known and she was. She had a job, obviously, of posing for different artists and featured in so this is like a late 1800s French.
Speaker 1:Yes, and he met her and basically told her you need to quit. You are my muse, you don't need to be viewed by other people drawn by their people. And so he would. So the story goes she agreed to it and he would lock her in the apartment while he was gone all day, and apparently that was commonplace back then. Fucking mind-blowing and stupid, but whatever does, it's just weird. And so she eventually got bored with everything and the relationship fell apart. Like many of them, I guess many of the women ended up having mental issues, but I think this is Somebody's lax you in an apartment?
Speaker 2:Yeah, you might catch.
Speaker 1:Apparently, some of his relationships he was in the women committed suicide. So Anyway, he was a member of the Communist Party.
Speaker 2:Yeah, French Communist Party lifelong member.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he had a card.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she alleged yeah he did have four children. He did two wives, many mistresses, four children.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm. Um, other than that, I mean he was self-centered, but a lot of artists, musicians, are, and his grandson, pavlito, died by suicide after Picasso told them. Let's see here after being forbidden by Picasso to attend at funeral.
Speaker 2:So he killed himself. I don't know, so you get to go to a funeral maybe Picasso killed him.
Speaker 1:I'm just kidding, no, no and here's some strange facts Um hey. He was once a suspect in the theft of the Mona Lisa. Oh Isn't that juicy. So did he. He was innocent. Oh, not even sure how it came about.
Speaker 2:That's a movie right there though.
Speaker 1:It is. I think we can make a movie out of that. And he's not dead yet. We're not that far, but when he was he deceased, kicked the bucket. He was buried under the floor of a castle in.
Speaker 2:France Wow.
Speaker 1:How do you get that? That's cool.
Speaker 2:Well, you can get that, Like a lot of churches in Europe have there's a name for it too but you can get buried in their walls or in their floors, Like if you go into Westminster, there's people buried all over on the floors. So if you have enough money, you can do that, or if you're you know I think it was commonplace long ago. That's so much anymore. We don't bury people on the church floors.
Speaker 1:We just bury people where we want to.
Speaker 2:I know there's laws and codes, but I mean like you can if you cremate them. Well, I'm just saying, because somebody would have like toxic lead poisoning or anthrax in their bones or something crazy like that and they'd bury it like next to my drinking supply. Sure, that's why you can't do it.
Speaker 1:I guess you know all those people that are buried in the regular places. Some of that's leaking, yeah, and it's more concentrated.
Speaker 2:Think of the floods in California right now. You think that's not flooding out any cemeteries or not washing down the hills.
Speaker 1:Oh, back to Georgia that we were talking about, I think, beforehand Now that that's a good spot to go right for ghostly things.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Because I'm trying at the spring break thing. Oh yeah, I'm like maybe we should go to Savannah.
Speaker 2:Savannah is a great place for ghostly. You can go to Bonaventure Cemetery, a beautiful cemetery right down a river, and I think they had some caskets slide into the river at one point. Sweet yeah, it is a great place, so highly recommend that place. Actually, wherever you should go, you should check out and see if there's cemeteries I mean there's they used to be, they love cemeteries.
Speaker 2:Well, they used to be parks where people would go to on a Sunday afternoon because they didn't have TV and they would go and have a picnic with the relatives. You know, there were like areas with the dead people. With the well, you could sit by your relatives, or there were picnic areas and gazebo. So there was actually a gazebo in the Alpina Cemetery at one point.
Speaker 1:That's a good idea, it is.
Speaker 2:I mean it's quiet, there's lots of space.
Speaker 1:Oh, I love going to Cemetery, yeah, so you should always try to visit a cemetery, sorry. Anyway, all right, pablo, where is he?
Speaker 2:buried. Oh, you said France, it's in France.
Speaker 1:Under the chateau of I don't know of avaganaras. All right, I think that's a casino, isn't it? What is now?
Speaker 2:Are you any other fun facts?
Speaker 1:I don't know. No, I guess not.
Speaker 2:So what's your synopsis I?
Speaker 1:don't know, it's fascinating.
Speaker 2:Fascinating.
Speaker 1:Yes, I think he was like. I mean, I think it was like no, Not, not normal, I just got a, I don't know mental issues and I think the reason he was such a good artist is because he needed art, even as a kid, to make sense of the world, and I get that from being a writer. Like you, need something to try to stay sane.
Speaker 2:You need an outlet, yeah and so, and do you think it's kind of daddy too, like daddy did?
Speaker 1:because he was trying to please his dad. Yeah, yeah, and he did a lot of drawings and paintings of his dad too. But yeah, I think some of that spilled over into his life and, instead of maybe interacting- Instead of going to therapy he just went on to the next woman. Yeah, exactly, and he had his art and he didn't deal with things in the world like maybe he should have been, so he just went on. Well, he probably didn't have to either.
Speaker 2:After he became famous or a known artist. It's like I don't, I don't need to do that. Oh yeah, I'll dry you something. Lady, give me a thousand bucks.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I agree. I think he was sure he had a lot of dickish moves Got it. Your treatment of women is really, really hard for me to get over that one.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'll call you a hero, that's a bad one, so I could just see you and Pablo having a conversation.
Speaker 2:I don't know.
Speaker 1:I probably shouldn't talk.
Speaker 2:I would probably be a doormat to him, not, I mean, in his eyes. I think you would be threatening to him.
Speaker 1:Right, he would be independent and strong and probably would kick him in the balls, punch him.
Speaker 2:But I don't know, maybe he would treat me like a goddess, maybe I wouldn't kick him out of bed for that.
Speaker 1:Right away, there we go, family show.
Speaker 2:All right. So, pablo Picasso, tell us what you think.
Speaker 1:I think that he is.
Speaker 2:I want to say he's a dick overall.
Speaker 1:I would say he's a talented dick. He is.
Speaker 2:And that painting, what's the painting called? Where it's the woman's face and the dick is laying on her face.
Speaker 1:That's of the 17-year-old girl. Yeah, the blonde.
Speaker 2:Because there is just you know. If you have enough balls to do that, put it out in the world. Good for you.
Speaker 1:What's even better is he had a show and his wife was there and she started looking around at all the paintings of the blonde and that's where she found out he was cheating.
Speaker 2:Oh, oh, my gosh, I think he's a hero.
Speaker 1:I'm going to say he's a hero because of what he did for art. Oh my God.
Speaker 2:Professionally definitely.
Speaker 1:In the adaptability. I mean, even if you don't like it, I mean I get it.
Speaker 2:It's not for everybody.
Speaker 1:I look at some of it and I go eh, Not for me.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry that's not for me. However, good for you for doing something different, for painting out of the box For that I say hero but for personal life, dick all the way.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and there's more and more. We find that out Like people can be really really good at something, but not at all.
Speaker 2:Thanks, that's how it happens.
Speaker 1:Like Mel Gibson.
Speaker 2:Oh good, let's just add one. No let's not go, let's not do that. I'm so sorry, come on. But, here let's do our Fast Five. So the Fast Five we're going to share our top five most famous paintings in the world. Oh, okay, I probably, don't know them? Yeah, you do, but we're Nica. I'm saying it incorrectly. I will pick Astos Hero. Yeah, I think that one's a hero too, just because of what that German, that encounter too, between the German officer.
Speaker 2:Okay, how about number four? The Scream by Edward Munch. I say hero because it's just been not replicated but interpreted so many times. Right, yeah, and who would have thought? It's like when you get dumb enough, you probably want well, this is crap, nobody's going to like this. And then everybody went. I can totally relate to that. Okay, how about three? The starry night, vincent Van Gogh. I didn't know it was called the starry night.
Speaker 1:Maybe it's not.
Speaker 2:No, it is. I'm telling you, it is All right.
Speaker 1:I say hero.
Speaker 2:I say hero too, and I like the song how about it.
Speaker 1:Wait what? Oh, starry starry night.
Speaker 2:Yes, Don McClain. So how about number two, the last supper?
Speaker 1:He was the American Pie guy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he was, but that is. I like that song, but my favorite song is starry, starry night you know I couldn't sing that song when I was a kid.
Speaker 1:Why? Even when you lived by us, I remember my parents playing the song bye bye, Miss America. I was dying, I couldn't.
Speaker 2:I thought if I sang it, I would die.
Speaker 1:So I would never I mean oh no, isn't that weird.
Speaker 2:No, that's a kid thought.
Speaker 1:Yeah, is it bad if I still feel?
Speaker 2:that way you still, to this day, he has not sang the last. No way that verse.
Speaker 1:Sorry, the last painting was.
Speaker 2:All right, Wait. Number two is the last supper.
Speaker 1:Number two Da Vinci.
Speaker 2:No, that's number. I'm going backwards. Five, four, three, two Fucking killing me. Number two painting in the world is the last supper, dick I don't know.
Speaker 1:That's bad.
Speaker 2:I'm going to hell for saying it, I just I am not a fan of it, but I will say it's heroic, Historical. No if there was no religion early at all in the world, there would not be as much art for good or bad. And I just know from looking at all the paintings, the old shit in Europe and there is, it's all religion, because that's who could commission it, because that's who had the money.
Speaker 1:They're pushing their.
Speaker 2:And that's, and then it got saved too. So, even though I'm not a fan, a huge fan of religious paintings, I think that overall, that's why we have them, because they were protected, but that one's not my favorite, well you know what, now I got to take it something back, because now if I think of it out of the context of religion, but it's hard to because that's why it was.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean. But if I saw that and no religion was associated with it in my mind, so like if it was, I would like it.
Speaker 2:So if it was, like you know, joe Schmo having dinner with his buds.
Speaker 1:Yeah, kind of like that, the paintings that you see of the dogs the dogs playing poker, poker. That's what it is. Yeah, if it was dogs. I'll take it back. I'll say hero, hero, sorry. All right, and the number one is afraid for a hate meal Huh.
Speaker 2:You know what the number one painting in?
Speaker 1:the world is the one that he stole.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Actually it's his buddy, I think the castle's friend. Oh, you're a pollinear.
Speaker 2:That's what he didn't steal.
Speaker 1:He stole some other stuff around that time. That's what I thought. Picasso was involved. You know, thief.
Speaker 2:I see somebody recently threw some soup on it. Well, there's an Annalisa, there's a guard over it.
Speaker 1:No, I don't know, annalisa.
Speaker 2:You know, she's a fine girl.
Speaker 1:She'd be a goddess right, Not a doormat.
Speaker 2:Well, I would think so, but we don't know. We don't know anything about her, and I guess that's why I'm not not about it, because it's a smirk she has. That smirk is.
Speaker 1:She knows something, she's hiding something.
Speaker 2:But maybe that makes her a hero. She knows something.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I would like to know more about her and there's many theories behind it, but I don't think we know.
Speaker 1:No, no Hero.
Speaker 2:Okay, all right. That brings us to a conclusion Does it? It does.
Speaker 1:Yeah, what'd you say? He was a dick.
Speaker 2:I did.
Speaker 1:And I said a hero.
Speaker 2:Yep, I said overall it is professional. Pablo's professionalism works Our heroes because they change things. Do you think we need another one? Another Pablo Another.
Speaker 1:We do need another Pablo.
Speaker 2:Oh, like Hero, Dick or Meh, something in the middle Meh, meh, no Meh, because I, no, we don't.
Speaker 1:We do need a Picasso. Maybe we have one, though.
Speaker 2:Maybe we do, maybe we do, we don't know.
Speaker 1:Like, if you talk, Like Brooke, you know her. We were talking about music the other day, because who doesn't love music?
Speaker 2:I don't know, I'm always surprised when someone says well, I don't really listen to music, what yeah? You hear it, don't you? Don't you hear that in your head it's everywhere.
Speaker 1:No, but like the Picasso's and whatever, we must have them. Now we're not aware. Maybe we'll know one day. But like you, know what I want to know? Who's rich against the machine, who's Metapha, who's the Dora?
Speaker 2:Who's the next one? Who's the next one? Where are they? Oh, you got it.
Speaker 1:Because all I hear is a bunch of synthesized Okay, old man.
Speaker 2:I don't hear.
Speaker 1:No, I mean, I listen to a lot of music, even with my kids, and my kids will defer to more of the classic.
Speaker 2:Classics, and I think, as with art, as with music, I think the era it's always the era before that defines where we are now. We don't have any Beatles, there's no Beatles out there right now there's that are. Even if you don't like the Beatles, you are influenced, or like somebody who was influenced by the Beatles, because they were such giants and that whole era was different.
Speaker 2:But then you know, if you throw back to the like the 80s, you go oh, there's no good music. It's like, oh, listen to some of the music, it's fun, it's. You know, maybe it's not the Beatles, but it's still, you know it's. It's another question. Okay, one more question.
Speaker 1:Now we got all day so like, as far as if you look back at the Picasso's, the Jim Morrison's, elvis Presley's, whatever name, like a famous icon, there's always some of that dickishness, you know. And now we're getting so homo, homo, homo, homogenized, so that we all have to be respectful, polite, we gotta say everything's okay, everything's okay, everything is okay.
Speaker 2:Then you don't have those standout people who are like busting a fucking beer bottle on them and doing, you know whatever you know they're not smashing guitars, and I mean maybe there's some. Maybe we need somewhere. People are dicks.
Speaker 1:I don't know, I think who do dick behavior.
Speaker 2:Well, there's plenty of dick behavior going on, but not, but not in a creative for the people way.
Speaker 1:Yeah right.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:So anyway, that's that.
Speaker 2:All right, well, thanks for joining us. For Pablo Picasso edition of Hero or Dick, you can email us at your dick to zero, two, three at gmailcom, please, please, please, email me and Conan, we know you're listening.
Speaker 1:You left a voice message for us and we did call you back. I did email them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's kind of really cryptic how you email and you have to like, send it through your website.
Speaker 1:I haven't heard anything. Fact that he wants payment. I don't get it.
Speaker 2:I'm starting to get a little honey. All right, all right.
Speaker 1:Thanks everybody.
Speaker 2:Bye.