Hero or Dick - S2, Ep. 8 - The Mafia

Welcome to another episode of Hero or Dick! Strap in, folks, because Kate and KJ are peeling back the layers of the notorious mafia, with its staunch traditions and dark dealings. From the Sicilian shores to the bustling streets of the U.S., we reminisce about the mob's role as the iron-fisted protectors of Italian immigrants. We can't help but spill some personal stories along the way, especially when mulling over the likes of John Gotti and his snazzy suits that flouted the mob's code of omertà. And let's not forget the whispers of a local Polish mafia – though we'll keep you guessing on that one. 

Thanks for listening!

~ Kate & KJ

Chapters

• 0:01 Mafia
• 15:38 Mafia Movies and Streaming Services
• 23:26 Ethical Dilemmas and Moral Values
• 30:40 Podcast Availability and Contact Information

Transcript

Speaker 1 0:01

Okay, hello everybody. Hello, welcome to Hero or Dick episode, season 2. Season 2, episode 8. 8. Broadcasting from Horsefeather Studio in the lovely metropolis of Alpena, Michigan.

Speaker 2 0:18

Just a note here from the 45th parallel I've learned this week that Alpena has approximately 10,000 residents.

Speaker 1 0:25

Where, in the city limits, in the city, used to be more right?

Speaker 2 0:29

Yes, yeah, it's decreased.

Speaker 1 0:31

The chosen few are left. There's us and 9,999 people.

Speaker 2 0:38

I think a lot of people who live here, especially when you're young, and if you grow up here, you want to move away, not because you hate it, but because you think you hate it, and then you move away and you go.

Speaker 1 0:50

I miss it.

Speaker 2 0:51

You don't know what you got until it's gone.

Speaker 1 0:54

Hey, who sang that?

Speaker 2 0:56

Joni Mitchell. Oh, somebody else probably sang it?

Speaker 1 0:59

Probably Joni Mitchell.

Speaker 2 1:00

The big taxi, big yellow taxi. It's her song, but somebody redid it like Counting Crows or somebody like that All right veering way, way off of track, because our topic today is mafia.

Speaker 1 1:18

The mob the mob?

Speaker 2 1:21

What's the other names for it?

Speaker 1 1:22

CosaNostra, cosanostra, cosanostra.

Speaker 2 1:24

CosaNostra, cosanostra, cosanostra.

Speaker 1 1:26

The family. Families.

Speaker 2 1:29

They are the families.

Speaker 1 1:31

Yeah, you know, no matter what they do, they're dicks.

Speaker 2 1:38

I mean I'll just get right into it. Oh, you're just going to start right out with that, yeah.

Speaker 1 1:41

You know, and there's this fellow. I should have got his name. I got some of my information watching a podcast. This guy that he used to be in the Loose.

Speaker 2 1:48

Yeah, I got his name right here. His name is John Alight.

Speaker 1 1:52

I don't know if that was him.

Speaker 2 1:53

He's a former hitman for Gambino's and he has a podcast called the John and Jean Show. Okay, that's not, and worked with.

Speaker 1 2:04

So that's funny, which?

Speaker 2 2:05

I listened to only partially one of them, but it was interesting and yet it was horrifying.

Speaker 1 2:13

All these guys, I think, then, that are still left and not in the mob. Have their podcasts, because I thought this guy was from the Lucis family, the guy I was watching. He was a little unpolished but it was pretty fascinating.

Speaker 2 2:26

Yeah, I would think they all. If they were true mobsters, I think they would be Sure. I guess they could be in communications, who knows?

Speaker 1 2:33

So where did the mob originate?

Speaker 2 2:37

Well, some of them originated in Italy.

Speaker 1 2:40

Italy, italy, sicily, they're.

Speaker 2 2:42

Italian, sicily, yep.

Speaker 1 2:44

And then they moved Italy, italy, sicily, italian, sicily, yep. And then they moved. It was just folks. The Italians came to the United States and they were oppressed, and the mafia was born out of that, because it was a way to protect and fight oppression.

Speaker 2 2:55

So when they moved to the US, especially although they had it in Italy too, yeah, it was their, it's their tribe, really, their Casinascro.

Speaker 1 3:03

Yeah, it was their. It's their tribe, really, their Casinostro.

Speaker 2 3:05

Yeah.

Speaker 1 3:05

Their thing.

Speaker 2 3:06

And in Italy there was a bunch of them Sicilian, calabrian, neapolitan.

Speaker 1 3:12

Do you like Neapolitan ice cream?

Speaker 2 3:14

I do not, why not? I say choose a flavor. Choose a flavor, what's your?

Speaker 1 3:20

favorite ice cream If you say vanilla.

Speaker 2 3:23

Oh no, I wouldn't say vanilla.

Speaker 1 3:25

You seem like a Reese's peanut butter cup.

Speaker 2 3:27

Well, I do like Reese's peanut butter cups, but really not in the ice cream.

Speaker 1 3:30

Okay. We'll let you go on that, then no Neapolitan for you.

Speaker 2 3:34

But no Neapolitan no I don't know. Why is that named after them? I don't know, I don yeah.

Speaker 1 3:46

Maybe some pasta.

Speaker 2 3:47

But the mafia is worldwide. In Japan there's the Kazooza Kazooza.

Speaker 1 3:55

I'll take your word for it.

Speaker 2 3:56

We'd have to check the pronunciation on that one, but they're the same thing. In Japan, colombia of course has a lot of mobsters, let's say Mobsters, mm-hmm, if not a formal mafia. So when I was looking at the mafia I made a list of good and bad.

Speaker 1 4:17

Okay.

Speaker 2 4:18

So mafia good, they're very community-minded.

Speaker 1 4:23

Sure they are, they have to be.

Speaker 2 4:24

They are. They have to be they are Now. The bad side of that is they run your neighborhood. Yeah, because they're so community minded. You pay the piazzo, the protection money, and they'll protect you yeah.

Speaker 1 4:39

But if Uncle Leo isn't paying the rent for a shoe store, they're going to bust his legs and kill his dog. You want to?

Speaker 2 4:45

stay on the good side.

Speaker 1 4:46

You know they don't kill women or children purposely.

Speaker 2 4:50

Well, they never used to go after families. That was forbidden, but we can talk about that too. There's a whole bunch of things that used to be, and then it kind of got broken when modern mobsters came around like John Gotti.

Speaker 1 5:09

What a douche that guy was. I didn't watch a documentary on that guy. What a fucko. I mean he ruined the mafia he did, because the code is that the mob boss, the underboss, they're all supposed to act with the same presence, the same whatever. He thought he was above everything, which he kind of was, and so he was doing shit that nobody else would do, as a mob boss Thought he was a fucking Hollywood starlet, for God's sakes.

Speaker 2 5:34

You know what I mean he's a very dapper dresser, oh.

Speaker 1 5:36

God, what a dipshit. Oops, I'm just kidding, just kidding, he's deaf.

Speaker 2 5:41

He's got relatives, though, so watch out, there's a Polish mafia.

Speaker 1 5:45

Is there here in town?

Speaker 2 5:48

Really, I don't want to talk too much about it. Huh, I wouldn't have guessed that. But under mafia good, I also have family first. Now that's for good or bad. That could go under either category, but I mean they took care of their families, and because of that, they took care of their wives and children.

Speaker 1 6:13

And you didn't screw around with them either. Oh yeah, Can you?

Speaker 2 6:15

kill a mistress, though Probably.

Speaker 1 6:17

I don't think you can kill women and children.

Speaker 2 6:22

Or you couldn't. That's what these guys were telling me. Okay, they weren't telling you.

Speaker 1 6:26

That's what these guys were telling me Okay, they weren't telling you, that's what you, we do some heavy investigative reporting for this show.

Speaker 2 6:31

You were infiltrated, like Donnie Brasco, donnie Brasco, donnie Brasco. I love Donnie Brasco because he showed us that not all mob members live this beautiful, glamorous life like you think they do in the movies and the books.

Speaker 1 6:50

Yeah it just wasn't true it was like a job.

Speaker 2 6:55

A full-time, 24-hour A 24-hour job and it's not a job that you can say hey, I think I'm going to quit and go somewhere else. No, you don't do that you got to really commit to it.

Speaker 1 7:08

One of those guys that left, one of those podcast guys or whatever, saw him on a podcast. He left, somehow got out. Oh, he was an informant and then he was supposed to testify, but when it came to that point he said no. So the mob, I guess, was like okay, you're bad, he had to change everything. He's like I never could walk my dog at the same time during the day. I never did anything the same every day and you know he had to change up his patterns all the time because he's still afraid.

Speaker 2 7:41

It's not Sammy the Bull, is it. Is that what you're talking about?

Speaker 1 7:45

No, he was number 18 on Forbes' list of most successful mob men back in the day, and Gotti was number 13 at the time. Oh, gross Out of that list of 50, 43 of those people are dead this guy, and there's only a handful of the ones left. Anyway, sorry I interrupted.

Speaker 2 8:07

What's the?

Speaker 1 8:07

other joyous, lovely things.

Speaker 2 8:09

So the good, some of the good that they brought us. Was they provided alcohol during Prohibition Gosh? Yeah, I mean that they brought us. Was they provided alcohol during prohibition Gotcha?

Speaker 2 8:16

I mean prohibition was bullshit. Anyway, I think You're not going to get a whole. It's kind of like saying, okay, come on, now, we're all going to be Catholics or we're all going to do yoga every day. You can't impose what you think on everybody and if you don't want to drink, don't drink. You know, don't drink. But if I want to have a drink, have a drink, have a drink. So and I don't think prohibition would have worked.

Speaker 2 8:44

It always shocks me how long the country was under prohibition it's like seven years and so guys who went to war and then came back they couldn't drink. I mean, it was illegal. So they did provide alcohol during Prohibition, which I think is good. You know, I'm sure there's people who think that's bad. Another good thing they gave us was Las Vegas, which some people would argue is that good or bad?

Speaker 1 9:12

Listen to Kate.

Speaker 2 9:13

They gave us booze. They gave us gambling?

Speaker 1 9:16

What about prostitution?

Speaker 2 9:17

They had some good sex trafficking and porn going around. They had 1-800 numbers.

Speaker 1 9:22

They were responsible for a lot of those 1-800 or 888 sex lines, so that was another good that I had Not the 800 numbers, although free reign was vending machines.

Speaker 2 9:33

So that was before they got into drugs, which is bad.

Speaker 1 9:39

They don't do that On my bad list. You know, they say they don't, they did, they did. Oh yeah, big time.

Speaker 2 9:45

Before all of that, they did a big business with pinball, pinball cigarettes, pop food, et cetera Anything in a vending machine and I happen to like a vending machine. We don't have enough of them in the US.

Speaker 1 9:59

Bring them back. That's what I say, yeah.

Speaker 2 10:01

Yeah, you look at like China and Japan. They have a vending machine for everything. So obviously some of the bad. You know they do like to murder people. But well, I shouldn't say that I don't think they like to murder people. I think they have to because that's what is expected of them. If you wrong, you know a mafia member and it reflects on them, they're going to take you out because that's what they do. Yeah, yeah, and gambling too. I mean, gambling can be fun, sure, if you're winning, but they Loan sharks.

Speaker 2 10:46

Like many, yeah, like that type of gambling is what I was thinking I wasn't thinking like go to the casino with your $20 and lose it.

Speaker 2 10:53

No, I was thinking like, yeah, I'll loan you $5,000. You pay me $10,000 back in three weeks. I mean, that's just not realistic. And drugs Drugs really, I think are what. I think that's what brought them down was when they decided to have drugs, and then I don't know if it's ties into it, but once they started dealing drugs and made that okay, then it seems like they had a lot of narking within yeah, a lot more people were willing to, and so once that first person and I can't think of who that is once that first person was like yeah, I'll be an informant.

Speaker 2 11:38

then it was like it opened the door to everybody. A stoolie, yeah, once there was one stoolie, they were all like, all right, I'll do it too.

Speaker 1 11:45

Yeah.

Speaker 2 11:46

What do you say to that?

Speaker 1 11:48

Well, I say it's pretty fascinating because, yeah, they still are pretty active and successful in some endeavors. But yeah, I mean, they've actually tried to have some legitimate businesses, like the big fish market in new york, um, but they were shut down because there were a lot of people working a legitimate business. Um, they still have sanitation companies, um, some of them own restaurants. Some of them own the supply chain that supplies the restaurants, which which is, you know, the business.

Speaker 1 12:14

But I think it's neat. Because, well, it's not neat. I mean, the one guy described them one of the ex-mob members described the mafia as an amoeba. It's always changing and adapting, and I think that's what they've done, because they're now online gambling. They have websites that they set up through places like in Costa Rica, so it's harder to bust them Right. And then they also are into crypto, just like me, oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 12:43

But they're using it for nefarious reasons, not like me, not like you, but yeah, they've been really getting into that.

Speaker 1 12:50

So you know they're trying, but it's harder now because there's cameras everywhere. Yes, the government can tap into anything.

Speaker 2 12:57

Yeah.

Speaker 1 12:58

And so, when the RICO Act came, what was that? Back in the 80s. That basically gave 70s, 80s, yeah, yeah it gave the government any means and funds necessary to get rid of them.

Speaker 2 13:10

It did. They still haven't got rid of them. No, but get rid of them. They did. They still haven't got rid of them. No, um they. But you're right that they change, they adapt to um the the times that they live in what about their hierarchy? Um well, I think it's like any family you know they got their you got the um. What's the associates?

Speaker 1 13:30

the boss, oh yeah, if you want to go down. It's the way you got the commission, which is like the board of directors.

Speaker 2 13:36

So that's like the bosses of the family members.

Speaker 1 13:38

And then you got the bosses, the underbosses, captains. They're the crews of the soldiers. Then you got your soldiers, you got your maid members, which are friends or soldiers, whatever, I don't know.

Speaker 2 13:54

I thought a maid person had to be okayed by the big guys. And you have to be well, at least in the movies I've watched and the books I've read, you have to be Italian.

Speaker 1 14:05

Yeah, you do, yeah, and they do a blood. What's it called A blood saint ceremony? Oh, where they actually. They come bring you in and they have a gun on the table and a knife on the table, and then they have a picture of a saint whatever saint they choose to use, I guess and they prick the trigger fingers of the people, whether it's your left or right, and they drop it on the saint, the picture of it, and then they say some things you have to repeat after them and then they burn the picture of the saint and that's their blood ritual to get into the mafia.

Speaker 2 14:34

You sound like you're pretty intimate on the details there. I'm not going to ask how the Polish mafia and say what you will about mafia, whether you agree with them or even if you don't agree with them. You know they do do good and bad, but they have brought us a lot of movies and books that are very enjoyable.

Speaker 1 14:54

They had an influence not only on the labor unions for regular stuff but the Hollywood unions.

Speaker 2 15:00

Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 15:00

And so they influenced some of how things were portrayed in movies and whatnot too. Pretty brilliant.

Speaker 2 15:06

Well, and I think in the 70s. Then it became more realistic. You look at the movies from the 40s, 50s, even early 60s, and they're just mafia bad guys. And then when you watch the Godfather and Goodfellas and Scarface, I like that one, I like all those really, and the Irishman which was just out recently.

Speaker 1 15:29

What about Angels with Filthy Souls?

Speaker 2 15:31

So isn't that an old one though?

Mafia Movies and Streaming Services

Speaker 1 15:33

That's the one from Home Alone. Oh, Keep the change, you filthy animal that's actually. They made that fake movie for the movie.

Speaker 2 15:42

Oh, I didn't know that.

Speaker 1 15:43

They made that section up.

Speaker 2 15:44

Oh I thought it was a real one. No, oh, thanks for bursting that dream.

Speaker 1 15:46

Sorry about that.

Speaker 2 15:48

And then TV. You have the Sopranos, of course.

Speaker 1 15:51

That was excellent.

Speaker 2 15:53

Another movie that I wanted to mention was American Gangster, because it was a more modern take on the mafia and about Frank Lucas and Denzel Washington played him in the movie and how he rose to height of fame, but he always took care of his community. But he was also a drug dealer. So was he taking care of his community? I mean, yeah, he's giving them money for this and that and buying them turkeys on Thanksgiving, and then he you know his soldiers are selling them drugs.

Speaker 1 16:29

Right.

Speaker 2 16:30

So I don't know so, does your good wash out any bad that you've done or no?

Speaker 1 16:38

I don't know if you're whacking people out.

Speaker 2 16:39

I mean and also disaster relief.

Speaker 1 16:42

Yeah, what was it, sandy? What?

Speaker 2 16:45

Hurricane Sandy yeah her.

Speaker 1 16:46

They kind of came to the rescue.

Speaker 2 16:48

Yeah, they did yeah.

Speaker 1 16:51

I don't know. It's a weird. I guess the thing is if you or I are walking down the street and meet some guy from the mob, you don't care, he's not going to do anything to us. But if you're engaged with them in some of their business dealings, you're probably going to feel the pain sooner or later, sooner or later, yeah, unless you become one too. Yep which? No, you don't want to do that. Yep which?

Speaker 2 17:11

no, you don't want to do that. Yeah, there's probably people who do want to do that, I guess.

Speaker 1 17:15

Oh yeah, of course.

Speaker 2 17:17

That's not something I care to do. The first ever billionaire mobster was a woman. Come on, griselda Blanco, nice, I love that name. She was a drug. I know it sounds like she Meets business. She does, griselda.

Speaker 1 17:35

She puts cigarettes out on you.

Speaker 2 17:37

In your forehead, in your forehead.

Speaker 1 17:39

Not missing her own.

Speaker 2 17:40

She is a drug lord in Columbia. Oh nice, mm-hmm, she was the first. She dead Billionaire.

Speaker 1 17:51

You know, I don't know how, do you never mind? We know presidents that have gotten away with that.

Speaker 2 17:57

How are you stashing it spending?

Speaker 1 17:59

it. What do you do?

Speaker 2 17:59

And people wash money every day, all day long.

Speaker 1 18:03

You still wash money, but that's a lot of money.

Speaker 2 18:05

That's a lot of money. Yeah, somebody's looking at you Well one of those mob movies. They had it all in their house. I'd have to think about what one that is. Somebody came to rob them and they're like where in the hell are they keeping the money? There's 20 grand in the safe of BFD. And then they started knocking down the walls and they had to insulate all the walls with money.

Speaker 1 18:31

You watch Ozark yet no, it's not the mob, but it's the drunk cartel which is involved with the mob, which is pretty much the same thing. Jason Bateman, you know what? Remember him.

Speaker 2 18:41

Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 18:44

He never made it. He never made it.

Speaker 2 18:46

I think it's on Netflix, so I canceled that.

Speaker 1 18:48

Netflix. Yeah, you canceled Netflix I. What do you do? What do you watch? You were just talking about Apple. You were getting rid of that.

Speaker 2 18:59

Well, we have like every other streaming service, so I canceled Netflix to see if we'd miss it.

Speaker 1 19:05

You're going to miss it, you don't miss it.

Speaker 2 19:07

So far I have.

Speaker 1 19:08

How long has it been?

Speaker 2 19:08

It's been a month. You hear that, Brooke.

Speaker 1 19:11

It's possible you make it sound like I quit snorting here and there it's like oh man, you're off the smack. Why, what are we? And?

Speaker 2 19:22

I'm not against Netflix. I just got to the point where it's like do we need these five streaming services?

Speaker 1 19:28

And we have cable which is bullshit. Oh, you have cable which I don't even want to talk about cable. Okay, we won't talk about it, so we have.

Speaker 2 19:33

Prime.

Speaker 1 19:39

We have Disney, which includes Hulu. We have so Hulu, Disney, Prime.

Speaker 2 19:41

Right now we have Apple TV and there's one other that we have.

Speaker 1 19:45

We've got like Peacock or Paramount.

Speaker 2 19:47

No, but there's one other one and I can't think of what it is.

Speaker 1 19:51

That's all right.

Speaker 2 19:51

So anywho.

Speaker 1 19:53

What do you like the best out of those?

Speaker 2 19:57

I like to read books.

Speaker 1 20:00

Why do you even have streaming services?

Speaker 2 20:02

then well, prime you just have, I have because I like to. I like their shipping.

Speaker 1 20:07

I I know it comes with.

Speaker 2 20:09

I know amazon is evil, but with prime you get books and you get tv and you get shipping.

Speaker 1 20:18

Sorry it makes sense, it's not free.

Speaker 2 20:19

I mean you have to pay for it. You pay a fee every year, but you ever buy movies through there.

Speaker 1 20:25

Uh, it's easy to do. You just hit that button click.

Speaker 2 20:28

I don't buy them. I try to just get the freebies. Oh, I buy a lot of, but um, I haven't bought one in a long time. How about about Voodoo? Yeah, we watch that too.

Speaker 1 20:38

And now it's Fandango.

Speaker 2 20:40

Fandango and so old TV things are on there. Sorry we're going off track, but anyway the.

Speaker 1 20:45

Netflix has a lot of good mob stuff on there. They do, they do the.

Speaker 2 20:49

Irishman, irishman With Robert De Niro. That movie is a long movie, but it is worth it. It's worth it. That's why it's great to watch it on Netflix.

Speaker 1 21:00

You just pause it Sure Every five minutes when someone walks in.

Speaker 2 21:03

Watch it the next day, so I had to watch it like the first time. I've watched it more than once, so that says something too.

Speaker 1 21:09

It does.

Speaker 2 21:10

Robert De Niro, though, and he's in many a mob movie. He's phenomenal. He could go to the mob right now and say I'm going to be boss, and they'd say, okay.

Speaker 1 21:20

He might be.

Speaker 2 21:21

We don't know.

Speaker 1 21:22

Did you see Cape Fear? Yeah, with De Niro. Yeah, holy scary shit.

Speaker 2 21:26

Yeah, he's a scary guy when he wants to be my God.

Speaker 1 21:29

Okay, Sorry, Now what we were talking about the mob.

Speaker 2 21:33

The mob. He's also in the Godfather 2 and he's fabulous in it. Fabioso, you need to watch it.

Speaker 1 21:41

I know you didn't watch it or you would be bragging about it. I didn't want to talk about the Godfather because I didn't watch it. I said I was going to.

Speaker 2 21:45

It's not just the best mob movie, it's one of the best movies.

Speaker 1 21:49

Okay, I did see Scarface.

Speaker 2 21:53

Yeah, al Pacino, or old one.

Speaker 1 21:55

Yes.

Speaker 2 21:58

Yeah, al Pacino, or old one, yes, yeah, al Pacino, both of them are good. And that Al Pacino, he can do no wrong either. Also, in the Godfather movies, yeah, he plays a great mobster.

Speaker 1 22:10

They have donated to churches, hospitals, community centers.

Speaker 2 22:15

Sometimes it's genuine, but sometimes it's to soften their yeah, sometimes it's to, to get a get out of jail free get somebody off their back. So for our fast five, let's talk about mafia lessons oh goody okay, so the first mafia lesson is keep your friends close, but your enemies closer.

Speaker 1 22:41

Am I supposed to say?

Speaker 2 22:42

something. Well, I think, if you think it's a hero, you agree with it. And why wouldn't you agree with that?

Speaker 1 22:48

I think it's wise to do that, yeah.

Speaker 2 22:51

I think if you didn't agree with that, if you thought that was dick info, you would be in uh, not a smart this one, uh is true. I think your word is your honor. Reputation is everything yeah not everyone lives by that, though, either no, always do what you.

Speaker 1 23:16

How would a hemiway say always do, sober what you said you would do drunk.

Speaker 2 23:21

Oh, that's a great quote.

Speaker 1 23:22

Because people tend to say shit when they're drinking.

Ethical Dilemmas and Moral Values

Speaker 2 23:25

I used to do that. They make a lot of promises.

Speaker 1 23:27

Yeah, that's why I quit drinking.

Speaker 2 23:29

Was that one of your promises? Part of the reason? So you didn't have to make any promises?

Speaker 1 23:32

Yeah, it's like oh geez, but no, that's a good one I like that?

Speaker 2 23:37

How about this one? Don't rat on your family or friends. Yep, well, it depends. Is it going to help them?

Speaker 1 23:44

Yeah, if it helps them. We don't know it's like what would you do if your sister brother? What do you want, sister or brother?

Speaker 2 23:54

Say a sister. Okay, your sister came over and she's like I killed somebody.

Speaker 1 23:59

Yeah, you got to help me. I see the body is in my trunk.

Speaker 2 24:03

I'm not laughing because it's true.

Speaker 1 24:05

The body is in my trunk, wow, and I need your help.

Speaker 2 24:08

What would you do?

Speaker 1 24:10

I don't know. It's fucking tough.

Speaker 2 24:12

I'd say who is it?

Speaker 1 24:13

I would, I would say who is it?

Speaker 2 24:14

I would, I would say who is it and if they were like it's and what are the circumstances, it's so-and-so. Was it like Thelma and Louise and somebody was trying to rape? You or shoot you or kill you or hurt you and you shot them in self-defense, I'd still say go to the police. And maybe I'm an idiot for that, but I think that no, I mean it's going to catch up sooner or later.

Speaker 2 24:35

you're best to admit it before it catches up with you. But I don't know. You don't know what you would do until you're in that circumstance.

Speaker 1 24:45

That's tough.

Speaker 2 24:46

Yeah, what was the question? I don't know.

Speaker 1 24:49

Oh family.

Speaker 2 24:50

Oh, don't rat on your family and friends.

Speaker 1 24:54

That's heroic. It is, but it can be bad for everybody too. Yeah.

Speaker 2 25:01

So we'll let you ponder about that one.

Speaker 1 25:03

I'll say it's a heroic thought.

Speaker 2 25:05

Yes.

Speaker 1 25:06

But it could lead to dickish outcomes, it's true that. Either way you're fucked Either way.

Speaker 2 25:11

Yeah, Damn it Okay.

Speaker 1 25:12

You and your moral dilemmas.

Speaker 2 25:16

Here is a Bruce Lee quote, but it's used by the mafia.

Speaker 1 25:20

What they can't do, that can they. I guess they can do whatever they want.

Speaker 2 25:22

Maybe Bruce Lee was in the mafia. No he wasn't. Calm is a superpower.

Speaker 1 25:28

Hero. Yes, absolutely, it is a superpower.

Speaker 2 25:31

So do you want to? I used to tell people when I was working if they, if you know, if somebody calls me for a part and I don't have it, you can be a hero about it and just say, how quick can you get it? I really need it. Can you put me at the top of the list? Thank you for your effort. Or you can throw a fit and yell at me and call me names.

Speaker 1 25:55

Go to the bottom.

Speaker 2 25:56

And guess what, when that part comes in in, you're not getting it. So calm to me is just keep your cool, and and I think I'm just thinking of all the mafia movies they really exemplify that how do you?

Speaker 1 26:11

how do you? Your whole life have you been low-key, kate, because you're pretty low-key and easy going.

Speaker 2 26:18

Oh, I try to be for the most part, but you know, sometimes you gotta have a fit.

Speaker 1 26:23

I think the older I get, I'm getting a lot better at just like okay. I think that's true.

Speaker 2 26:28

I think that you know, it depends on, again, the circumstance, but for the most part it's like what I always tell my kids is okay, what's the worst that could happen.

Speaker 1 26:38

Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2 26:39

You know, I know this is a problem right now, but is it really? Is anyone?

Speaker 1 26:44

Yeah.

Speaker 2 26:44

Has anyone died? Is anyone losing a limb?

Speaker 1 26:48

Right.

Speaker 2 26:50

You know, is everyone okay? If everyone's okay, let's just sit back and think about it. Oh, apparently the voice is in my head. Yeah, there we go.

Speaker 1 26:57

That, but apparently the voice is in my head yeah, there we go. That was actually one of our fans, I think, walking by they had a Kiss Me Kate sign and they went right on by. No, I think that it's interesting because I'm kind of a high-strung person, but that's because my brain doesn't stop. But sobriety has helped me a lot, because I used to just get pissed about whatever, you know, like I had a shorter fuse and I feel bad now because, like yesterday, my wife and I were talking about something and she was giving our kids the business about something which they deserved. But I was like, eh, and I shouldn't have.

Speaker 1 27:34

I said, eh, the sun's still going to come up. And she looked at me and I thought ooh. And she's probably thinking sure thing, dickhead. You were the one that was always bitching about everything, and now you're supposedly Mr Zen.

Speaker 2 27:45

And so it's. You know, good cop, bad cop. Yeah, you got to work together. She's the good one. The other quote that goes along with that is that the loudest person in the room is the weakest loudest person in the room is the weakest.

Speaker 1 28:00

Yeah, I agree with that.

Speaker 2 28:02

There's one like this, similar to that like the quietest person in the room is usually the smartest, or something like that. That's cool, yeah, opposite of that that makes sense. Okay, we got one more Never outshine the master, like, pay tribute to the boss and don't although that's how god he well, that's how he got where he was. He did outshine the master. He and you weren't supposed to and everybody was like what's he doing?

Speaker 2 28:28

yeah and he just did it. It didn't work for him in the end. I mean, he ended up dying in prison right but for a little while it worked for him.

Speaker 1 28:40

Yeah, I guess it should be. Don't intend to outshine the master Because eventually, if you don't outshine the master and you're doing all the things right, you will outshine the master. Yeah, but yeah, that makes sense.

Speaker 2 28:50

Yeah, but if you're a boss at work, and trying to yeah. Well, I don't know. Yeah, that never works out. It depends on who the master is. Some masters will say good job, thank you for thinking of what I wouldn't have, mm-hmm. And some masters would say you're fired.

Speaker 1 29:09

Yeah, yeah, threatened them.

Speaker 2 29:11

Because you threatened them.

Speaker 1 29:12

Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2 29:13

Some people don't mind not being the smartest in the room. I hope I'm always in a room where I'm not the smartest.

Speaker 1 29:19

Yeah, what's the point?

Speaker 2 29:20

Because that would be stupid Right. But some people always want to be the smartest people in the courtroom let's say oh God, yeah, that's all. I'm going to say, okay, two Ballyhoos.

Speaker 1 29:30

Ballyhoo.

Speaker 2 29:32

A Ballyhoo to Jesse. It's his 40th birthday today.

Speaker 1 29:35

Jesse.

Speaker 2 29:36

It's his 40th birthday today and I want to say hey to Alyssa and Courtney, because they help me when I need money.

Speaker 1 29:41

That's all I'm going to say they are not in the mafia.

Speaker 2 29:44

I'll repeat they are not in the mafia.

Speaker 1 29:48

Also, it's Shakespeare Day today.

Speaker 2 29:51

And I just it's. Shakespeare Day today, and I just want to say that I believe that William Shakespeare is the most overrated person in the world besides Jesus.

Speaker 1 30:02

Really. Yeah, I think you might be right.

Speaker 2 30:05

I've had those classes I think a lot of his writings were either stolen or over time were somebody else's and then were given to him.

Speaker 1 30:17

I think it was a group of people writing and he took credit for it yes. But it could be wrong.

Speaker 2 30:22

I don't know. We won't know until we time travel. Yeah, okay, anything else you want to say?

Speaker 1 30:27

Well, I think we could talk all day about stuff, but it's 30 minutes in.

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Speaker 2 30:31

We're 30 minutes. That's as long as people want to listen. Yeah, After that my voice just grates on people. Have we had any? Emails yeah, we do, but not lately, so you can email us what's our email address HeroOrDick2023 at gmailcom.

Speaker 1 30:50

That's it. We are on Amazon Streaming on Spotify.

Speaker 2 30:55

Yeah, Not on Google anymore. Later Google they dropped everybody.

Speaker 1 31:01

Why would they do it? Everyone else is doing it.

Speaker 2 31:02

I guess they can just link to it and scour and steal information. I guess yeah.

Speaker 1 31:06

But we're on some other buzzsprout. I guess that's where we do this yeah.

Speaker 2 31:11

Yeah, you can find us there quickly. That was the easiest one that I found while I was showing some people this week. Oh, hey, to Suzanne too.

Speaker 1 31:19

Hey, suzanne, she's hopefully listening. Hello, why wouldn't she be?

Speaker 2 31:23

Why wouldn't she be? I don't know. I can tell people about it. That doesn't mean they're going to listen, right?

Speaker 1 31:29

I understand, but for those of you that do, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you.

Speaker 2 31:34

And email us with any ideas or critiques or praise or coupons.

Speaker 1 31:42

We'll accept anything, free coffee.

Speaker 2 31:46

Free anything.

Speaker 1 31:48

All right then.

Speaker 2 31:48

Well, thanks everybody. Thank you Bye.