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Hero or Dick - S2, Ep. 10 - Taylor Swift

May 22, 2024 • Kate & KJ • Season 2 • Episode 10

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Tune in to the next episode of Hero or Dick as Kate and KJ dive into the world of Taylor Swift. From her beginnings on a Christmas tree farm to the top of the charts, we're exploring everything Taylor. We'll discuss her knack for songwriting, her headline-grabbing feuds, and the big heart behind her charity work. Join us as we uncover the layers behind Taylor Swift's public persona. Whether you're a Swiftie or just casually curious, this episode will give you a fresh perspective on one of pop's reigning queens. Don't miss it!

#TaylorSwift

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Taylor Swift

Speaker 2 0:00

All right, I am rolling, we're rolling.

Speaker 1 0:02

This is. Hi, everyone Hi this is KJ and Kate. Did you forget my?

Speaker 2 0:08

name no.

Speaker 1 0:09

I thought you were going to say your own name, but this is a podcast, it is. It's called Hero or Dick it is, and we're broadcasting as usual from Horse Feathers Studio. Man, I'm having some brain farts.

Speaker 2 0:26

In Alpena Michigan which is gorgeous outside today too.

Speaker 1 0:28

Yes, I'm sweating. It's in May 22nd.

Speaker 2 0:32

Okay.

Speaker 1 0:33

It's a very important day today. Because, we're having a podcast.

Speaker 2 0:37

Oh.

Speaker 1 0:38

We were just exchanging some antidotes about children and their growing up and encouraging them to participate in society in productive ways sometimes they don't like that.

Speaker 2 0:49

No, I get it. I don't like it either. You know, it's kind of what you have to do. Yeah, I think you. I remember one of our friends not too long ago said when we asked him what his just graduated kid was doing, he said he thinks he's retired. He just lays on the couch and smokes weed all day, yeah, and watches TV. That's yeah. He thinks he's retired.

Speaker 1 1:13

Get out, you know like I don't know, and then you got kids who I get. It it's just different, but they think they're holding out for some special position you know, Like what is it? What's that movie with Chevy Chase? The Christmas movie.

Speaker 2 1:27

Christmas Vacation.

Speaker 1 1:28

Christmas Vacation yeah, when they're talking about Eddie the cousin.

Speaker 2 1:32

Oh, he's holding out for management, for a management position.

Speaker 1 1:35

I'd be happy if my kid was the pixie dust spreader on the Tilt-A-Whirl. That's from that movie too. That would be a good job, though. She was barking for the yak lady and then got promoted, and then got promoted, yeah, anyway. So this is us. You know, who probably is pretty proud of their kid is Taylor Swift's parents Twizzler, yeah, twizzler. Twizzler, actually, yeah, what's her? Her nickname was something like Swizzler Twizzler.

Speaker 2 2:00

Twizzler. I bet she's. Well, I know she's got a lot of nicknames.

Speaker 1 2:04

T-Swizzle.

Speaker 2 2:06

T-Swizzle, t-swizzle.

Speaker 1 2:07

Okay, and you know, she grew up on a Christmas tree farm.

Speaker 2 2:10

So our topic today is Taylor Swift.

Speaker 1 2:12

I thought it was Christmas tree farms.

Speaker 2 2:13

Oh my God, I got to do some research.

Speaker 1 2:19

Yeah, you, of all people I in 1989. Not Kate, but Taylor.

Speaker 2 2:23

Swift. No, not Kate Taylor Swift. I know she's just a baby Reading Pennsylvania.

Speaker 1 2:29

And it's a reading.

Speaker 2 2:30

Isn't it reading?

Speaker 1 2:31

It might be, I don't know. It's like reading Rainbow.

Speaker 2 2:33

But she did start very young and she always knew what she wanted to do and her parents her parents were good parents. They supported her. They supported her, they supported her and they knew she had a talent, I think. But that I don't think they ever were like um, you know, um pageant moms to her right, but they supported her enough that they, the family, moved to nashville because that's where she could make when she was 14.

Speaker 1 3:00

Yeah, she was young. She was one of the youngest people ever signed Well, the youngest person ever signed by Sony whatever by somebody.

Speaker 2 3:07

Yeah, av or something. Yeah, she's broken a lot of records.

Speaker 1 3:09

She really has Started when she was like 10. Well, probably before that.

Speaker 2 3:13

Well, I think that's not that uncommon, but usually your parents don't move you to Nashville to do it, I think if you're 10 and you think you have a talent and that's what you want to do for the rest of your life. You go to every talent show in your area. Maybe you get on what's the idol.

Speaker 1 3:32

American Idol yeah, or the Voice. Okay, do you watch any of those?

Speaker 2 3:36

No, I do not.

Speaker 1 3:37

We're struggling now through the Voice we start, we're like, oh yeah, we'll start watching it. And then, you get invested and then there's like four episodes left and you're fast-forwarding it through it and you're like why are they singing these songs? And the people change from being people that are. This is going to happen. A lot the coughing. I don't know what I'm going to do Get a drink. I did. I got something in the back of my throat. Anyway, they start off as singing. They're artists.

Speaker 2 4:04

Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 4:04

And they're really good and you're watching. You're like holy cow. They got talent and then by the end of the show they turn them into like a performer. Whoa you know they're all slicked up in douchey clothes.

Speaker 2 4:14

I shouldn't say that. Isn't that what they're supposed to do?

Speaker 1 4:16

I don't like it.

Speaker 2 4:18

Oh, I'm a Just sing the song.

Speaker 1 4:22

Which is totally going to be.

Speaker 2 4:23

It doesn't matter if your eyebrows are plucked and you don't have lipstick on. Yeah, people can just sing the song, or lipstick and a beard.

Speaker 1 4:29

There's a guy in there. It's pretty awesome. He wears a cape, he's got a beard, he wears lipstick and eyeshadow and I don't know what I'm looking at, but he can sing and he's wearing these cool capes. Maybe that's pretty cool. Actually. That's one good thing about that show. So was he doing all that before? Was that him before? Oh, he came in with the cape and everything Okay.

Speaker 2 4:47

So he's Cape Guy.

Speaker 1 4:48

That's his check. He's Cape Guy. His name's Asher.

Speaker 2 4:51

Asher the Cape Guy.

Speaker 1 4:52

Yeah, but anyway.

Speaker 2 4:54

Well, Taylor Swift didn't do that. She didn't win any talent shows or anything.

Speaker 1 5:01

She collected praying mantises as a child.

Speaker 2 5:03

I didn't know that?

Speaker 1 5:04

What else do you want to know?

Speaker 2 5:06

Wow, why? I don't know.

Speaker 1 5:09

I don't know. She said that she really enjoyed collecting bugs and praying mantises was one of them.

Speaker 2 5:13

Hmm, Well, that's interesting.

Speaker 1 5:16

Their lucky number is 13.

Speaker 2 5:18

It is 13.

Speaker 1 5:19

Born on the 13th, turned 13 on Friday the 13th. Her first album went gold in 13 weeks and her first number one song had 13. Second intro 13, 13 oh for tatey yeah, sorry, that's all I know. I'll let you carry the rest of the podcast that's every fact.

Speaker 2 5:38

you know about her. Well, I actually interviewed some Swifties, and one is a heavy Swifty. Hey, harley, harley.

Speaker 1 5:50

Is that a Valley who?

Speaker 2 5:51

Yes, because she's helping me out. She was very helpful with all of her info and she also said shout out to Cassidy, Shout out, not Valley who?

Speaker 1 5:59

Shout out.

Speaker 2 6:00

Because I said many people want to know Harley and then I said, well, cassidy will listen. Anyway, she's, cassidy will listen. So, anyway, she's been to two concerts the 1989 tour, which was in 2015. A little confusing for old people like me, but I figured it out. And then she also went to the Eras tour last year and she just says the main reason that she likes taylor swift, and I think this resonates for a lot of 30 something year old, not just women, but but guys too. It was the first artist that really gets me you, not me, the 30 year old-old.

Speaker 1 6:42

Oh gotcha 30-something-year-old she probably gets you too.

Speaker 2 6:46

Well, I got.

Speaker 1 6:47

You were 30. I was Five years ago.

Speaker 2 6:50

A couple of times, but she speaks my language. She celebrates my millennial girlhood and now adulthood. I'm like, okay, I get why you get her. That's why you get her. And she said that her songwriting, her lyricism always matters most. And she likes the theatrics of her tours and she also liked how she speaks the truth to power when famous men are treating her badly sure like kanye west like kanye west that was one of them, and then she's had a couple lawsuits.

Speaker 2 7:33

You know, hey scooter braun stole, you stole my song, which I get so tricky in these days because there's so many songs out there. Right, how can you not? Hey, you use the same word as me. Well, yeah, I, yeah, I did. The word is love or whatever. Um, that was one of her songs that she got sued over, lover. And the the woman who did it said I have a book of poems that looks like her album cover. They both have pastel colors. That was the only. That was the only thing I saw. And, yeah, maybe they, you know, I think, if they both broke up with a guy, so do they have some of the same feelings?

Speaker 1 8:12

Well, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 8:12

Because, I'm sorry, it's not unique to you Right, but that poet thought so. But that poet thought so I don't think she got any money. I can't remember.

Speaker 1 8:22

She's probably not a very good poet.

Speaker 2 8:24

Well, she might have sold some more books, or she probably pissed more people off too, because Before you move on, because something you said resonated with me.

Speaker 1 8:34

Oh my, about Taylor Swift appealing to even men.

Speaker 2 8:38

Even men, but also men.

Taylor Swift

Speaker 1 8:43

I have my own opinions on that. That I'll get to when we get to the dick or hero part, all right, but I think I mentioned this. Maybe you and I were just talking on one of these things, these podcasts. There's a dude on Survivor that is his name's Charlie and he's probably in his 30s and he's just a normal skinny dude. He is obsessed with Taylor Swift, like he knows every song. He probably knows everything.

Speaker 2 9:05

Like she should be worried. No, he's worried, or he just likes her, totally loves her.

Speaker 1 9:10

For the same reasons that you just said.

Speaker 2 9:12

Yeah, yeah. She has fans who are very dedicated and loyal fans. She also has people who no. She also has very dedicated fans that have you said Taylor Swift shouldn't wear purple? They go. Oh, yes, she can, because you know who will back her no matter what, and I? Think you know there's different levels of it and I did talk to a couple other people who I wouldn't consider Swifties, but they're fans. So they're like, yeah, we like her, but we're not living her life in every ounce.

Speaker 1 9:51

Yeah, I had an issue with Pearl Jam for a while. I was a little too invested in her, you were stalking him. I couldn't find him, couldn't find him.

Speaker 2 10:02

I know somebody who did stalk Eddie Vedder.

Speaker 1 10:04

Oh man, he's worth stalking, she said. He's he's an interesting man.

Speaker 2 10:07

He's shorter than oh, he's, he's worth stalking. She said he's, he's an interesting man.

Speaker 1 10:09

He's shorter than oh, he's a short dude.

Speaker 2 10:09

He's shorter than she thought, yeah.

Speaker 1 10:11

Born December 23rd 1969. Okay, that's in Illinois. That'll be a different. Sorry, sorry If we do Pearl Jam we can. No, we don't. I have a couple people who are huge Pearl Jam aliens research on Taylor Swift last night and watching some videos you know I got to get and there was one called Better man. I'm like holy shit, did she cover?

Speaker 2 10:32

Oh, that would be great, it was some other guy's, but she did cover Riptide by Vance Joy Did a good job.

Speaker 1 10:37

She covered Eminem's Lose Yourself with just a guitar at a concert. Oh nice, it was decent. I mean, it's totally different. It it's totally different. It's unexpected too, though I like that and she killed Drops of Jupiter by train, really Killed it.

Speaker 2 10:51

The chick's got better than them.

Speaker 1 10:52

Sorry, I said chick Taylor. Don't get mad at me that disrespectfully. The woman has talent.

Speaker 2 10:57

Her fans will take you out.

Speaker 1 10:59

I don't know what to say, but she has some. She's talented, she writes her own music, she guitar and for some of these people that don't like her, other musicians or so-called stars like kim kardashian, kanye west I would I would go out on a limb here and say taylor swift can write better songs than kanye west oh yeah I mean I I don't even know a lot of lyrics from either one of them, but I'm going to say yeah, just by going by mental stability.

Speaker 2 11:33

Yeah.

Speaker 1 11:34

Anyway, yeah, we'll get to that. I don't want to re-enter that.

Speaker 2 11:36

We'll get to that a little bit later too.

Speaker 1 11:38

Wait, we forgot. You forgot something. What Important stuff, what she has a fear of driving.

Speaker 2 11:44

Oh yeah. I can give her a ride.

Speaker 1 11:49

Do you want me to pick her up? She'd take a ride If she's not flying in her jet, which causes some issues.

Speaker 2 11:54

I think, fans, you can't have it both ways, and I did have that written down Because that was kind of some people's Bitch about her. Okay, we want you to be In eight places at one time, but we don't want you to use a private jet.

Speaker 1 12:10

Ride a bicycle.

Speaker 2 12:11

And you want her to get on Delta you know she's not going to do that.

Speaker 1 12:16

No, she doesn't need to.

Speaker 2 12:19

And she doesn't have to. And it would be dangerous for her and for everybody on that plane. Yeah, even if she was in first class.

Speaker 1 12:29

People complain about everything.

Speaker 2 12:31

Oh, they do.

Speaker 1 12:31

They complain about the political statements which we stay away from. Politics on here.

Speaker 2 12:37

We do. But she didn't even say she was pretty nonpartisan. She just said get out and vote.

Speaker 1 12:44

Right, well, she did, and then she did kind of say yeah, but I think she, like some people well, not some. Most people choose a party or a person who they identify with that supports their beliefs, and Taylor supports the gay queer everything community, everybody, she supports everybody, and so she aligned herself with that side. That's what I got out of it Just a girl, a woman, being supportive of other humans.

Speaker 2 13:12

Yes, how could you fault a person for that?

Speaker 1 13:15

Well, people don't like people who are successful.

Speaker 2 13:17

Also another thing. That's the truth. Another thing that Harley pointed out was that she treats her staff and crew very well. Oh good, so that's bonus points right there. Her staff and crew very well, oh good, so that's bonus points right there.

Speaker 1 13:31

She's a big advocate for other artists, fair pay for artists, and she had a big impact on music streaming policies when she pulled some of her music from Spotify and some other ones, spotify, yeah. So generous donations she's made and then she's done cool things like paid some of her fans tuition loans, things like that, but anyway go ahead.

Speaker 2 13:56

I also I didn't I don't know much about it, but she did before her fan base got so huge had secret sessions and it was a huge deal with her fan base because it was more manageable. But she would bake cookies for the fans and then play the album for them.

Speaker 1 14:16

Oh nice.

Speaker 2 14:17

Yeah, she can't do it anymore because she's too big. I guess she could pick some out. She has lots of records. Broke top 40 songs 137. That's a lot.

Speaker 1 14:30

That's incredible.

Speaker 2 14:31

I mean, if you just think of it, she has the most charted songs, which I believe would be in the top 100, 262. What that's?

Speaker 1 14:42

more than everybody, isn't it I?

Speaker 2 14:44

don't know, it's a lot. Yeah, top 20. Just the top 20. 85 songs that to me is amazing. Wait back to Pearl.

Speaker 1 14:53

Jam they actually had. They were number one in like four areas the last couple weeks ago because their new album and the only person they couldn't beat in some categories was Taylor.

Speaker 2 15:05

Swift, taylor Swift. Maybe she should join that band.

Speaker 1 15:07

I'd like to see what if they toured together. They should, why wouldn't they?

Speaker 2 15:11

Because some Pearl Jam fans, because they're kind of opposites. Yeah, they could like each other, but yeah, yeah, let's see what else. Oh, so my other Swifties Actually fans. I wouldn't even call them Swifties because I think a Swiftie is like somebody so hardcore they would, you know, kill for her.

Speaker 1 15:32

Yeah, and they're listening to this thing. You don't know what you're talking about.

Speaker 2 15:35

Right, I know more than you, probably, because they do Probably. Yeah Again. Lyrics are very relatable, said Lainey, my niece, by marriage. And she said that and I really liked this lyric. She said the lyric in Lover reminds her of her husband.

Speaker 1 15:56

That's nice yeah.

Speaker 2 15:59

The lyric is have I known you for 20 seconds or 20 years?

Speaker 1 16:02

I heard that one last night when I was listening. I like that yeah.

Speaker 2 16:06

Because some people you meet and you immediately go.

Speaker 1 16:08

Yeah I know you or it's like I will never know you.

Speaker 2 16:11

Yeah, but have I known you for 20 seconds or 20 years?

Speaker 1 16:18

my wife says that to me. Is that good or bad?

Speaker 2 16:20

well, now it's 20 years, so I don't know. Yeah, no, I'm, I'm just kidding.

Speaker 1 16:27

Oh, courtney and Alyssa did tell me that Did you go on tour, I know, but I how did you talk to all these people?

Speaker 2 16:36

I texted them and Courtney and Alyssa I saw in person.

Speaker 1 16:40

Nice.

Speaker 2 16:41

Sometimes and I agree with this, they said sometimes it feels a little bit like a cult.

Speaker 1 16:46

Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2 16:47

And like you can't say anything negative or somebody will jump all over you, sure, but they do like her and they like her music. And Courtney couldn't even pick out a favorite song. She had to pick a whole album, which is folklore. So thank you to all those. Yeah, I guess it was all women that I talked to.

Speaker 2 17:11

Hmm, I should have got a way to go, okay, I should have got a male opinion too well but now here's something cassidy sent me and that said um, it was just a couple texts that said how does taylor swift pee in all those uh, in all her costumes? And because she's changing and she's doing so much on stage, when does she have time for pee? So it was a big conspiracy theory that she pees. She goes, she probably doesn't pee, okay, but, but maybe she wears a diaper. That wasn't even conspiracy theory, but it was. She goes to change and her lookalike comes out and sings the first song and then they switch back out.

Speaker 1 17:58

Maybe the lookalike just pees for her.

Speaker 2 18:00

Maybe she just takes a break and pees.

Speaker 1 18:03

Yeah, or she doesn't have to pee.

Speaker 2 18:05

It was a big thing, maybe on Reddit you know Reddit, mo know Reddit Little chill pee pee.

Speaker 1 18:11

Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Well, I didn't know if she was a voice of a character in the Lorax.

Speaker 2 18:17

Oh is she. Yeah, I didn't know that.

Speaker 1 18:18

That's what the internet told me Is that her acting experience. No, she was in Valentine's Day.

Speaker 2 18:23

I've never seen that it? I've never seen that it's a bad one. Yeah, because it was supposed to be like there's one, there's a couple of them, like New Year's Eve, and I can't think of the other one.

Speaker 1 18:35

Oh, there's like a series.

Speaker 2 18:37

Yeah, and they get a bunch of big-name stars and you think it's going to be a good movie and they're all like you know five stories and then they all converge at the end, kind of like what's the Christmas movie that we all love so much? Oh, I'll think of it in a minute. You know where Hugh Grant is, the prime minister.

Speaker 1 18:57

Oh, yeah, yeah. And he's dancing Love actually, love actually.

Speaker 2 19:01

So it's kind of like Love Actually, where there's a bunch of stories and then they all kind of converge. But I have not seen Valentine's Day, nor will I.

Speaker 1 19:12

Why not? Maybe that should be the subject of the podcast. I have better things to do. All right, this was enough, eh.

Speaker 2 19:18

That was enough. Yeah, I don't like watching bad movies. Yeah, you know what I watched this morning Wait.

Speaker 1 19:24

This is a weird thing, terminator.

Speaker 2 19:30

No, that's a good way to start your day it was close, though it was uh not animal farm, but where you know where the boys are on the island yeah, lord of the flies, lord of the flies, that's a great book. The 1963 version what huh?

Speaker 1 19:48

that's about the time of the no.

Speaker 2 19:50

It was right after the book came out.

Speaker 1 19:52

I think I mean the book's famous in the late 50s.

Speaker 2 19:55

I don't know it was a weird version of it. It was really weird. They were all British and I didn't remember the new one.

Speaker 1 20:00

You love the British. I like British people, but the accents.

Speaker 2 20:04

You don't like the accents.

Speaker 1 20:05

I can't hear stuff. Huh, you don't like the accent. I can't hear stuff. Say something right now. Say something I want to understand what you're saying.

Speaker 2 20:12

You just say, hey, it's like a high pitch for you.

Speaker 1 20:13

I don't know what it is.

Speaker 2 20:14

It's like a dog whistle.

Speaker 1 20:18

Anyway. So Okay Now, lord of the Flies. They should remake that with Taylor Swift and Eddie Vedder. Okay, hugh Grant.

Speaker 2 20:25

What was that? That is not Survivor Island, right there.

Speaker 1 20:34

What else we got?

Speaker 2 20:34

Okay, so our other controversy. She did have some lawsuits and, like we talked about, If you're rich, you're going to have lawsuits. You know, yeah and oh. What about her and Katy Perry? What about it? Well, she wrote the song Bad Blood in response to Katy Perry stealing a couple dancers for her tour. I didn't think that was cool either, though. Is she like you're going to poach her dancers?

Speaker 1 21:02

I don't know, but dancers can kind of go wherever they want, can't they?

Speaker 2 21:05

Well, they did. They went to Katy Perry, I'm sure she offered them more money.

Speaker 1 21:08

Maybe they got to dance more in the front instead of the back.

Speaker 2 21:11

Maybe I don't know. I don't know the whole story, Kate. I don't know. I don't want to get involved.

Speaker 1 21:16

You know who doesn't get sued? Poor people.

Speaker 2 21:23

Because they don't have any money yes. So the more money you have, the more likely you are to be sued.

Speaker 1 21:28

How many times have you been sued? You're like a billionaire. I don't want to tell you because someone's going to sue me then just to up my record or something. Someone's going to sue us over this podcast. Just fall asleep at the wheel.

Speaker 2 21:43

Another lawsuit she had was the folklore logo which when you looked at it it was similar to somebody else's. And when she looked at it, taylor and her crew, her staff, they did change it. They said you know what?

Speaker 1 22:00

It is like that.

Speaker 2 22:02

And maybe again, you know, maybe they knew, maybe subliminally.

Speaker 1 22:07

Or maybe you know what I like to think. I like to think she's like I'm Taylor F Swift, I'm cute, I'm talented. People aren't going to think she's like I'm Taylor F Swift, I'm cute, I'm talented. People aren't going to think I would do this.

Speaker 2 22:15

Let's do it, let's do it. If we get caught, we'll just say oh, so sorry.

Speaker 1 22:20

And then I'm going to sing a song about how much the person disrespected me.

Speaker 2 22:24

She does like to sing about what she knows.

Speaker 1 22:26

Yeah, that's good though.

Speaker 2 22:27

Thankfully. I think it's good for her working life that she broke up with a lot of people in real life you know yeah. Gives her a lot to sing about.

Speaker 1 22:40

All right, you know what I forgot to mention this, and I like going backwards, to throw you off track and interrupt as much as possible. I think she gained popularity at first with a song she wrote called Tim McGraw.

Discussion About Taylor Swift and Heroes

Speaker 2 22:51

Yeah, she did. Yeah, I didn't hear that song. That was again. Harley said I remember hearing that song. You know she remembers the exact moment when she heard it the first time.

Speaker 1 23:03

Who's Tim McGraw? I'm kidding, I don't know you know he's a pretty good actor too.

Speaker 2 23:08

Is he?

Speaker 1 23:09

Yeah, wasn't he in?

Speaker 2 23:11

Valentine's Day no, that one yeah wasn't he in Valentine's Day?

Speaker 1 23:13

No, that one with Vince Vaughn Couple, what's it called Couples Theater Four Christmases. Wasn't he one of the brothers in there?

Speaker 2 23:23

I don't know. I have watched Paragon.

Speaker 1 23:25

Welcome to the African Sun. I'll have to look.

Speaker 2 23:28

Oh, he was. Yes, I have seen that movie, not John?

Speaker 1 23:31

Favreau, but yeah the other guy yeah yeah, so okay there was a sidetrack there From the famous Spray Cheese family.

Speaker 1 23:38

I love that scene. Anyway, I watched no listen real quick. Okay, karma, that's a song. I watched the video. I enjoyed it. Oh good, you Belong With Me. My Daughter oh God, I'm going to get teary-eyed thinking about it she would sing that over and over. She was just a little teeny thing and she had a little karaoke machine and I would stand outside the door and just listen and I recorded it. I wish I could find the file I was going to play it. Oh my God, it's one of my best memories ever. And the song Anti Thanks, taylor, that's a pretty good song.

Speaker 2 24:10

That is a good song and the video was pretty good. I don't know the videos, I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 24:14

Actually, it was actually hilarious Because I think it's the one where Taylor Swift dies. She's older and her family's there and they're supposed to inherit. There's like a little section in the middle like a story at a funeral home and her kids are so ungrateful and just little douches. But I laughed out loud last night and my daughter said what are you doing? The same doll that used to sing taylor swift. I said, oh, I'm researching taylor swift. I think I really like her now, you know, and she's like you're a swifty because my daughter is miss. I mean frank, sinatra, stevie wonder, elvis tool, I mean she's likes Everybody. But yeah, but I think it's because, you know, everyone portrays Taylor as Well, and when you're, you know.

Speaker 1 25:00

She's a rebelling.

Speaker 2 25:01

Yes, when you're that age, you don't want to like what your parents like, even if it is Taylor.

Speaker 1 25:04

Well, I didn't even like Taylor Swift until last night.

Speaker 2 25:07

She might have liked her until you did.

Speaker 1 25:09

That's true. You think Taylor Swift likes us. No, no isn't she, so she's not going to be on the show.

Speaker 2 25:16

She probably doesn't. I think, taylor. I think we feel the same way about each other.

Speaker 1 25:22

Take her.

Speaker 2 25:23

I admire her and good for her. She does a lot of good and in my book she is a hero. Sure, but I'm not going to become a Swifty, and if I listen to your music, it'll probably be by accident.

Speaker 1 25:36

Yeah, it'll be on the radio.

Speaker 2 25:37

Just like if she listens to this podcast, it'll totally be by accident. True, but I do like her.

Speaker 1 25:44

Yeah, she's a hero, she's admirable.

Speaker 2 25:47

So are you saying admirable hero.

Speaker 1 25:49

You had some more stuff I want to hear before I make the recommendation.

Speaker 2 25:51

Well, no, that's a fast five, All Taylor related though.

Speaker 1 25:55

I say that she's a hero. My daughter is not going to talk to me anymore, but I'm going to find that clip and play it for her.

Speaker 2 26:05

That was her era. She can do her own eras to her. I think that a lot of people are jealous of people who are famous, successful, have some money. Oh, not worse. And they are famous, successful, have some money, and they will always be. 1.1 billion People will always be haters on that I forgot.

Speaker 1 26:22

She doesn't drink coffee either.

Speaker 2 26:24

Sorry, taylor, you're a dick.

Speaker 1 26:26

She is worth, I think, 570 million.

Speaker 2 26:30

Okay, I have 1.1 billion, I know you do, you're going to get so now? Well, just a lot of money, yeah, here's the fast. And we both say a hero, yeah, here's some fast fives.

Speaker 1 26:44

What Is a hero? The same for female or male Heroin.

Speaker 2 26:53

That sounds like heroin.

Speaker 1 26:54

Heroin or dick, that's a toughin.

Speaker 2 26:55

That sounds like heroin, heroin or dick. That's a tough one. That's like a bad date. I have to take a dick there.

Speaker 1 26:58

I really don't want to start heroin. Oh shit, Kids are going to listen to this.

Speaker 2 27:02

Oh will they.

Speaker 1 27:04

No, Well, these aren't kids. You had right.

Speaker 2 27:07

They're kids, but they're 30s.

Speaker 1 27:09

Oh well, everyone's a kid. Everyone's a kid, everyone's a kid. Sorry, let's go.

Speaker 2 27:13

So here's some Tay-Tay-Fay-Fay. What did you say For Fast Five?

Speaker 1 27:18

Don't ask me to say it again.

Speaker 2 27:20

Okay, hero or Dick 13. Hero, yeah, I'd say so.

Speaker 1 27:25

Wait, are we talking about just this or, in general, the number 13? The number 13. Yeah that's a hero. Yeah, I like it because it makes people take awareness.

Speaker 2 27:33

Oh 13. Ooh Ugh, why. Why so one and a three All right, we'll have to look that up 13. Why is that such a bad number?

Speaker 1 27:41

Nathan, where's our production?

Speaker 2 27:43

assistant. He's not here again.

Speaker 1 27:44

He's Nathan. Do you remember Nathan? He's the one who us. Where'd he go?

Speaker 2 27:50

How about Hero? Or Dick Spaghetti and Meatballs? That's her favorite Hero.

Speaker 1 27:56

Really, I say Hero Mom's Spaghetti. I wonder if that's why she did that song when she covered Eminem. Probably Because she said Mom's.

Speaker 2 28:03

Spaghetti. Oh, maybe Because that's.

Speaker 1 28:04

You know what's his face's thing, Eminem.

Speaker 2 28:07

How about Hero or Dick Purple?

Speaker 1 28:11

Yeah, hero, I like purple, usually I like it.

Speaker 2 28:13

Depends. If it's on a Bruce, not so much.

Taylor Swift

Speaker 1 28:17

Prince, prince. He's a hero. He'd be a good one to do.

Speaker 2 28:20

How about On the show? I hope you know what this is Hero or dick Squirt.

Speaker 1 28:26

The soda Squirt Soda.

Speaker 2 28:29

Not squirt. Squirt, squirt, squirt, squirt. It's a short. It's a short that has a skirt around it.

Speaker 1 28:41

Well, I'd say that's heroic because your things aren't out there in the breeze you can go up the stairs without worrying.

Speaker 2 28:49

Exactly Hero or Dick Red lipstick.

Speaker 1 28:52

Dick.

Speaker 2 28:53

Me too she pulls it off. Exactly Okay, hero or dick Red lipstick, dick, me too I say no, she pulls it off, but not many people can. It makes your teeth look really yellow.

Speaker 1 29:02

I didn't even think about that. That's her signature. Oh, it is when you think of her.

Speaker 2 29:07

You're probably thinking of her with red lipstick on. No, you don't even know it. You're not thinking of her, Okay one more on. You don't even know it, you're not thinking of her. Okay, one more. We got a bonus one. Five, six Cats. Cats Because she loves cats.

Speaker 1 29:20

I love cats.

Speaker 2 29:21

Do you?

Speaker 1 29:22

Yeah, we got three of them.

Speaker 2 29:23

They're alright. Well then you better love them.

Speaker 1 29:25

I mean, I don't. I only love one of them. The other two I can take or leave. They're dicks. They were woodshed cats.

Speaker 2 29:35

We inherited the woodshed cats. They're so thorough. They've been living with us for 10 years. Do they live in the house? Yeah, I read something that I thought was funny. Taylor did not say this, but it said dogs have owners cats have staff.

Speaker 1 29:46

That's true. Hemingway had cats, lots of them. So maybe cats are good for writers. She's a writer, that's why you said that I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 29:58

That's all I got.

Speaker 1 29:59

That's good. That was a good list. I don't have a list, as usual, actually, I could have done that what I just said, though. Well, excuse me All right. What else? Anything else you want to add?

Speaker 2 30:10

No. If you have anything to add about Taylor or any ideas for our show, though, you can email us at herordick2023 at gmailcom.

Speaker 1 30:19

Yeah, that'd be cool.

Speaker 2 30:20

Please do.

Speaker 1 30:21

Or swing by the Horse Feather Studio. There's a little mailbox on the front of the door no one ever uses. Well, those people are trying to sue you, yeah, well, not sue me, but bring me into funny things.

Speaker 2 30:32

Yeah, Alright.