Rebels on the Road: Music, Travel, and Summer Adventures

Join Kelly and Diana, the hosts of the WTAF podcast, for a new episode as they sit down with their special guest, venture capitalist Carin Skowronsky. In this episode, they dive into the world of music, travel, and summer plans.

Kelly, Diana, and Carin share their love for music and how it has impacted their lives and travels. From discovering new artists while exploring the world to attending concerts and festivals, they discuss the power of music to connect people and create unforgettable memories.

They also share their summer plans, including their favorite travel destinations, must-visit restaurants, and upcoming music events. Whether it's soaking up the sun on a secluded beach or getting lost in the vibrant energy of a bustling city, they share their favorite ways to experience the world and its diverse cultures.

Finally, they reflect on what music means to them personally and how it has helped shape their lives and perspectives. From uplifting and inspiring lyrics to raw and emotional melodies, they discuss how music has the power to heal and unite people from all walks of life.

Tune in to this episode of the WTAF podcast to join Kelly, Diana, and Carin on a journey of music, travel, and summer adventures.

WTAF is a production of Alice Riot.

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Hello and welcome to things that make you go WTF. A podcast that brings you the unvarnished banter behind the scenes of our YouTube series women travel, art and food. I'm Kelly brailler, CEO of fine art licensing agency Ellis riot and co host of WTF. Join me, Diana Ogilvie and our guests each week for straight talk of how we manage our careers, entrepreneurial endeavors and personal lives as we seek out exceptional food and art experiences around the world. Is it worth the effort? fuck around and find out. You're dropping some beat sweet Holy moly. Hello, ladies. Hi. It's how I think this is catch your breath Friday. Catch your breath Friday. I gotta tell you what I've been thinking there's there's an old 80s US television show reference. Milk bone underwear is how I'm feeling today. Honestly, I don't want to know it's a dog eat dog world out there and I'm wearing Milkbone underwear. Korean I think it's a drink water and my new business Friday. I was just grabbing from my water bottle. So you just mind your business, water and my new business. I've got my Nevertheless she persisted and find out mode fuck around and find out that is today. It's about to drop it on. Wow. I've had not as an exciting week as YouTube. lot of moving parts, I feel like I need to turn my whole place into a warzone. Mentally or I started school this week. School back Yeah, I can go on back to school. I'm picking only one class. It's an eight week immersive. In financial accounting, venture capital at Harvard, which is really exciting. So revelations, that's fantastic. I am shifting mindset of being a learner again, in this capacity. You know, obviously we're out learning everyday from each other, but just disciplining to get essays and schoolwork and quizzes done things I never thought I'd do again after I left college. Yeah, you know, that is so smart. Especially, you know, when they talk about things that happen with when they talk about Mercury going retrograde, you know, in this whole period of time where they're like, you need to pause, you need to re examine, you need to put the draft in the drawer and look at it with fresh eyes the next day, you don't want to sign the contract right now. Going into learning on finance. And that's a great way to spend, Rob period. Hey, yeah, I just want to be more financially financial, oh my gosh, I can't talk financially literate and just, you know, in my articulation when I work with can't, you know, candidates clients, just everyday folks and what I do, so I figured, I'm trying to find ways this year, actually my word of the year. I don't know if you guys do this at the top of the year, my word of the year was learning. You know, I always can think of what is the first word that comes to me. And that's been an ongoing theme. But then I kind of leaned into it. I was like, Alright, how can I learn differently? What else can I take? How can I pay attention to situations differently? How do I notice around me and just everyday? Mm hmm. Yeah, I am a forever student. So I love especially, you know, well, everybody knows the College of YouTube. But there's also these wonderful like, Coursera platforms that you know, you can just buy a course and uplevel yourself for you know, 3040 50 Whatever. Affordable Rates, so that's good. I'm glad you're doing that. Yeah. You know, so I have a an annual subscription to masterclass. I started I first signed up for masterclass about five years ago, when Diane Von Furstenberg dropped her masterclass and, and I was hooked. And just having that access to like Sara Blakely, the founder of Spanx and talking through how she built that business. I have found for the stories of women who are entrepreneurs and how they built something successful. That to me has been worth the worth the subscription each year for that. So, Diana, what was your Word of the Year? I didn't do a word of the year. I think what I did was just really be intentional. So I did my first vision board. I know I'm like way past the trend and the face but I did my first vision board this year, and there's something about coming into and it's over my bed so it's coming into my bedroom and looking at that every single day if I'm laying on my bed After reading, I just look up and just these things to just serve me as reminders. And it's not taken in everything at once. It's all you have this little piece, you know, I have this one, you know, follow your bliss. And then this other one, like, be bold. And then there's like this thing that just says, fuck it, do you, you know. So it's like, there's different messages at different times that I would gravitate to, or, you know, I would just seek out so yeah, that's what I did. So I do one every year, I don't care if it's not trending anymore. I have. I've done a vision board each year for the past, this is my eighth one. Ever since I left corporate and I love it. But there is it's interesting. So I have I have this, you know, it has everything on it from a window of opportunity to artists as traveler to front row to, you know, all who wander. Metaverse is on their fantastic voyage. But the word I did have a word for the year though. And that word is execution. Like I'm, I have moved now into a place where I have decided that my time is a premium. And if I'm going to put my time into something, I need a rate of return on that investment of my time. And, and that means get more focused on execution, you know, not just showing up and being light about it. But what am I actually getting out of this experience. And I'm learning a lot. You know, I was just in New York last week, did the NFT NYC conference, the panel discussion was fantastic. And I was delighted because two of the people on the panel are from Art Space, and artists rights society, which are two stalwarts in the traditional art world, and now have opportunities to talk with them afterward. So we've made those connections. So I feel like that was like a great return on that investment. Same with the satellite event. We did, interestingly, at Diane Von Furstenberg at their flagship store, great connections with the immersive kind with surfer girl gallery. And there are going to be things to do with them moving forward beyond just having that great event in that beautiful, amazing, inspirational space that DVF has. But it has to be like I can't, I've reached the point right now where I feel like hustling from a networking standpoint and just making connections to like have in my rolodex. That's not enough anymore. So now I'm being even, like, I've even been looking at some things that I have done in previous years, and saying to myself, am I going to invest again and go to those events this time? Nope, I'm gonna take this year off. So I won't be in some places that I've been in previous years, because I've been there a couple of times now. And I'm not seeing something coming back to the business that I can really say, you know, us ourselves into and move them forward. But the good news is that we have clients to keep us busy. You know, we have we have meaningful connections to help unpack. I'm really excited about what is ahead for WTF and the things we're doing, you know, in that space. And so that's interesting, Kelly, because I want to take it back a bit. Because last year, we went to well, we met up there at NFT, NYC, and I didn't decide to go this year, I wanted to get your reactions on based on last year, and where it was when crypto winter was just beginning. And now to where to where it's at. Because, you know, my takeaway from from last year was it was just so much hype, not enough substance that you really had to seek out the substance especially at those satellite events. You know, I gosh, I remember sitting in the at the Art stage with you and Liz from Atlanta. And like, like, rage tweeting during these sessions. Yeah. People on on stage talking about the art world, and none of them worked in the art world. Yeah. And my thing was, oh, where I'm attending a, you know, panel discussion on diversity, and it's all white men and maybe one white woman. Men that makes sense. Me know your audience people. Yeah. Well, okay, so a couple of things about this year compared to last year. You know, I compared NFT, NYC and 2022. As like the, you know, everyone who would go to like CES, they let their IT teams out of the building to have their own conference. It just it was a room full of all of the technologists. Yeah, and it was massive hype. I'm like, just flexing like, yeah, total flex and super crowded. I remember trying to walk through some of those spaces. This year, entirely different. I would say it was maybe 1/3 the size in terms of total audience and exhibitions that there were last year Sure, but the difference. The difference is I felt like the people who were there this year are far more serious and invested in longer game. Yeah. And and are the ones that are like, okay, it crashed. Now we're gonna emerge from those ashes. What are some things that are far more practical? And so the panel discussion I was on was talking about the convergence of the traditional art world with Metaverse experiences with VR, and web three, and what are the steps we have to take? And so I was able to speak from an Alice rights standpoint on look, not all brands are going to be like Nike and investing in Roblox and having Nike land and massive investments. And yes, they're getting a good return on those. Yes, in spite of the crypto winter. But listen, adoption curves don't have you know, they don't happen overnight. And so it was it was talking through how do you help guide the brands that want to work with artists, so I was able to stay in more of that art licensing lane? And thinking through how do we help artists adopt? How do we you know, and doing a lot of being the mom in the room probably and saying, Do you remember back in 2007, when Facebook first came out, and we weren't sure whether we should take it seriously or not, and Twitter and LinkedIn and asking ourselves questions back then would I ever put a picture of my child on the internet? Would I ever, you know, you know, think of even go back earlier e commerce, would I ever put my credit card information on the internet. I mean, look at us now, I've got face ID and I can use my credit card, like lickety split, to buy something and so that that whole notion of adoption curves exists for a reason, because we all are at a different place in terms of our readiness to adopt something and so. So that was really good. But it was great to have art space, to have arsenal. And to have more of that art world perspective, people who have worked with these massive estates of artists who have been working for years and years on trying to make sure artists get paid for their work. And so it was a privilege to be with them on stage. And to do that, certainly, I think that the the party scene was was a bit more muted as well, I think you still had some some silly stuff going on. But, you know, I think that what for me really stood out is if you were trying to do something that was appealing to people of color or women, and you were a white guy doing it? I don't think you were getting the attention you were expecting. Interesting. Okay. Somehow I'm not surprised, though. Right? I think that conversation has shifted, I think people are paying attention to who they're paying attention to. Right? And where their energy is going, and what that voice or that company or those leaders are saying and part of that is what they look like to and who is the voice coming from? And are they qualified to speak in this or any other space? Right, you know, and then and then back to satellite events. And D I know we worked last year on the Femi market Allis riot satellite event, during the conference and that I think really stood out because we were very intentional in making it a part of Juneteenth, very much underscoring access and opportunity for communities of color. And, and so this year, I mean, we, you know, we were a month off of International Women's Day, but being in a space like, first of all, DVF, which its entire ethos is in charge, and empowering women, which is just phenomenal. So having that as the backdrop. But then having a panel discussion that had everyone from a hang up akamba who is an artist who's worked with Alice riot, she's in our black dove collection, talking about taking those early steps into digital and, and being curious as an artist about how she can grow her art practice through those channels, all the way through to someone like Katie James, who runs the immersive kind and is literally doing virtual reality runway shows during London Fashion Week, Milan. You know, she's you know, so she's, you know, so you had this spectrum on this panel discussion of women talking about those intersections of art and virtual reality. And I do want to just give a quick shout out both to Kay Dean, the immersive kind, she's fantastic. And we're gonna find something to do together again. And then also surfer girl Gallery, which is based out in New York, and Buenos Aires. And they are doing really exciting things that think about gallery experiences, that intersect digital virtual being they have a spatial art gallery, they do pop up physical galleries, and they're really focused on helping these women grow their art careers. They and then they also do they have this great space called Art for tising. So this whole idea of, you know, whereas we think about like, true, like licensing of artwork to put on physical products, et cetera, as well as experiences, they come at But far more from the brand, and, and marketing standpoint of how you work with artists to really help amplify brands. They're just terrific. So, Marcia and Carol and Kay Dean, it was just it was a delight to work with them. And then we had, you know, visible women was was moderating the panel discussion. And so it was really I think, that satellite event I was so proud for us to be a part of it because it was an underscore to what was being seen and heard at the conference. Good in terms of, you gotta, you gotta keep going. But you know, it's going to take some time for us to all get there in terms of this whole web three space. And I love the full circle moment too, because that's where we shot one of the first WTF episode and current like we came off the Highline. And boom, there was like Diane Von Furstenberg store there. Okay, and yeah, that's Kelly with Hall Rockefeller. And then boom, here we are a year later. And you know, the satellite event there. I love that I love Okay, well, I'm actually going to call out both of our satellite events. 2022 the one we did with Femi market was on West 26th Street at the Calum gallery. That is in the shot on the highline in the first episode, and then the GDF. One. So both of our satellite events 2022 2023 make like an appearance, the spaces make an appearance in that episode, which is just like boom, yeah. So it's about that the panel discussion is that going to be accessible to the general public, anywhere snippets, anything you get, actually, you can go, you can go on our YouTube channel for WTF. And it's there, because we were streaming live via YouTube. So you can go back and watch it there. And Farhan is doing her magic in terms of doing some cut ups of that. And then we're also waiting for the panel discussion that I was on. And we'll we'll have more of that going out as well. Before we move off of NFT, NYC, and all things virtual reality, I just want to give a quick shout out to the team at Super world. So we as LS riot are working with super world, which is a Metaverse platform, and they have created alternate reality and virtual reality experiences. We're currently working with them to create virtual reality experiences that coincide with the WTF episodes. And so as we were just talking about, you know, West 26th Street and the highline in that New York episode, we also have a virtual reality plot on the Super World Map that coincides with that, that geolocation. So not only will you be able to watch the episode for New York, you can also go to super world, and you'll have a more immersive experience with WTF, they're, they're building those for us in New York, in emancipation Park in Kingston, Jamaica. And they're building at the Grand Central Market in Los Angeles, which will be in our forthcoming la episode. So, so super excited about that, because, and I'm saying it here to the few people who are listening to us now we expect far more to listen to us later. We will be announcing that with super world here probably in May. And I'm super excited because we get to save were the first and only food and travel program that's in the metaverse. Whoa. And first, we're going first babies. That's super stops with. So speaking of speaking of travel, and all things amazing, Corinne, tell us about Sedona? Yeah. Oh my gosh, you guys, it was my fourth trip to Sedona. I went out a couple days early prior to conference in Phoenix. Sedona is one of the might, you know, and I've traveled a lot. I'm gonna make a bold statement say Sedona is my favorite place on the planet. i It's very rare that I go somewhere more than once, not because there's just so many great places to explore. But what I find is, Sedona is my re grounding. The place where I come back to simplicity, and focused, you know, being too dialed in to nature and all of that that happens. There's just wonderful we hiked probably close to 1520 miles in a matter of about two two and a half days, which was just felt awesome. It was warm and got a little meditation and and there's just nothing like it. I mean, this red rocks. It's a full city of red rocks. So when people say Oh, Denver School, Red Rocks, amphitheater is great. I say go to Sedona Thompson, but I try not to tell too many people that keep it you know? Yeah. Yeah, no, it was a very rewarding experience. I came back to the very peaceful, very energetic and inspired. I yeah, I've been to Sedona twice. And I'm in complete agreement with you about just that grounding. You know, I went to a couple of like spiritual and energy working workshops out there with my teacher Lawrence, la I don't know. And yeah, I'm just running around those vortexes. And I know you I saw your picture with the pendulum I had my Vimeo, let me tell you something was swinging like that it doesn't sit down at the place where it just does something to you. And it's like, you could be in Machu Picchu or you could be somewhere else. But those those moments I think about, like, for instance, Machu Picchu you go wow, like this is very fascinating. But is it is that once grandiose experience that can probably never to be matched to donut, the place where I think you can keep going back on a personal discovery journey. I don't know if you guys agree, but that's, I think that's my Yeah, I keep going back. And I'm calling and compelled. Yeah, it's a no, it made me want to go back again. Do it just yeah, just maybe that's gonna get some crystals. Yeah. You know, I've I've only been there once. And that was. That was in January 2020. So right before the pandemic shutdown. Interesting. We were down in Arizona for a baseball tournament. Our son was a senior in high school and on a national travel team. And we decided to stay a couple of extra days, and rented a rented a jeep and drove up to the North Rim. So we were able to see the Grand Canyon. And on our way back, we just stayed in Sedona overnight. So we were only there. We got in the late evening. And then we're able to see a little bit of the area. And we've said we have to go back there so pretty. I you know, yeah. Just, we only scratched the surface. Yeah, with that experience. And I just love hearing this because I'm like, I mean, like, yes, no, it's one of those places where what's abnormal to the outside world is totally normal. Like, you will see, oh, I'm a pet. I do pet Reiki. Or I'm a medium for lizards. And hey, like, I just felt like, yeah, that's far out. That's cool, man. That's cool. Yeah, people make a living like this. I think that real, but it's like tangible. Lesson, I just some of the shit that I've been seeing on social media over the past couple of weeks about, you know, the fact that our bodies are 70% plus water. Yeah. And like, I watched, I watched this Instagram reel of, they were talking about taking a tray of water, and put like two different trays of water and you put them in the freezer. And then after they're frozen, you take chips of the ice and look under a microscope, one of the trays of water, they said I love you, I love you, I love you, I love you and put it in the freezer. And then the other one they said I hate you, I hate you, I hate you, I hate you and put in the freezer. And they were talking about how entirely different the waters the energy looked under the microscope. And you think about that in terms of energy and impact and I'm one of the things I'm so excited about is we're finally starting to evolve as a species away from this idea that we are not somehow connected to all of the energy around us you know these notions of religion but they're intersecting with science, they're you know, astrology, all of these factors we you start to think about the energy flowing through us and around us and what what creates good outcomes and what creates bad outcomes. And that whole the piece of the you know, of the of the ice crystals and how something that is filled with love looks like the most beautiful intricate snowflakes in the world. And you look at the the one with the negative energy and it looks like a pile of mud. Like it's just it's so cool. And like I want to go to Sedona I want to go and sit spaces and feel those energies because it's funny because I'm a triple water sign so all I love is water. The idea of being in the desert though for some reason it has this amazing pull for me and I don't exactly know why the like I like I love it there no answer the call go into the call Kelly I think you should go by yourself the first trip I would tell you there's something about having time and space to just be on your own time you're on that practice right I think my first trip to Sedona was a solo trip and it was my first solo trip ever. So maybe that is part of why I keep going back because it I think that defined my ability to be able to do things by myself and I didn't you know wasn't dependent upon others for mission or for whatever. But then yeah, my first three trips are solo and this was the first time I brought somebody with me and had a very special but different experiences you know, that's not a bad idea. My my solo travels have always either been business trips. And the past couple of times where I've truly done a solo, like, not working. It's been to New York or London. I gravitate towards cities. When I when I think of traveling on my own and going and having experiences and maybe I need to think about going somewhere where it's not a big city. give that a go. Yeah, I mean, there's just something about being outside. I mean, I've just reconnected with outside again, since it's been getting a little bit warmer here in the A, and just like going to the park, getting up in the mornings and going up Kennesaw Mountain, it just, it's just so grounding, and it's just something that that I missed during the cold months, you know, I totally missed it and just like really being happy and I'm out there. I'm hugging trees. I'm telling tree saying, I don't care if I look like the crazy cat lady, but there's just something about holding on to a tree. I love that. Can we talk about the crazy cat lady? I see nothing wrong. If someone wants to live her own life, have her own space. Have her for you know, companion instead of another human being? I think that's perfectly fine. They choose to live more power. Exactly. They're not spinsters. They're not crazy cat ladies. They're there. Their best survive. That's their vibe. It's all good. It's all good. It's all good. I got two fur babies over here their dogs. But I baby talk my dogs. I'm really I'm really bad at it. So that person I know. But then might get me on might I go from, you know, Dog Whisperer with Blue Bear and poop hop. Who? Poppy Lou. They're both asleep right now. But I go from that to like, So Erica, who's on TMLS riot, Erica Webb, and Karan, you remember her for days. took her out last night for dinner. It was her birthday. Back on the 11th same day that we were in New York for the satellite event. We went and caught Bikini Kill last night. which for those of you who are punk rock fans like yours truly. Bikini Kill was a band that came up out of the Washington State area back in like the late 80s, early 90s. They were on the scene at the same time as what we call the grunge scene. But they were in a very specific lane that at the time was labeled riot girl and and super influential. Kathleen Hanna's is the the the front of the band and here they are in their 50s touring again and their music, the lyrics, the the punk attitude, you know the you know, the fuck the patriarchy is still coming through and is just as relevant today as it was 30 plus years ago. That was really exciting. It was it was so cool to see her standing up on stage in front of a room basically saying to all the SIS white men in the audience, you have a job to do. Go do it. And the looks on their faces like okay, all right. It was but it was super great. But here's D I got really excited about it while I was in the audience last night because she started talking about fanzines that she used to produce for that music scene, you know, in the Seattle area in the in the 90s. Like who does that remind me of Buzz pleasant Gaiman in Hollywood at running up, you know, the fanzines for the rock, the punk rock scene in the 70s. So super exciting stuff. I just I feel like right now there's this really awesome movement that's happening in music were women who were really the ceiling breakers, if you will, are coming back. They're just as relevant now. They're still performing. I mean, oh, Debbie Harry is still rocking it in her 70s on stage with blondie. And you know, and she's bringing the younger generation of of performers up, you know, like surfboards and doing doing live acts with them. And you know, and then you see these bands that are getting back on the road that at the time they were being told they were a novelty item that they weren't, you know, really making serious contributions to the music scene, all the way up to Courtney Love who is like on the warpath right now with the Rock Hall because it's so male dominated and male focused. So it's it's cool to see these these punk rockers coming back for another swing at things as as we continue to evolve, and I don't I don't think they went away. But I think they serve as a reminder that Listen, 30 years later, 40 plus years later, a lot hasn't changed. Right. And and we're here as the rabble rousers to say you know what, do better right? Better. Exactly. So I'm uh, I'm super proud. I'm also obviously 52 Because I stayed on the sidelines I was not in the thick of it jumping around, and I got surfing for you know, crowd surfing for me last night and and then on top of it I, for the first time that I can remember, I didn't grab a t shirt, so I gotta go online and order my T shirt, man. I'm like, I completely walked past the merch table didn't even think about I was like, yeah, exactly. Exactly. Tomorrow. We got shit to do. I swear to God, because I was even looking at like, oh, summer is coming to what kind of concert I want to check out. And I see that Erykah Badu and Yasiin Bey who's known as like most Dev, they're having a concert. And then I started thinking, do I really want to be around people? Listen, Erykah Badu how late Am I gonna be up? Like, I gotta go. I gotta go check out the next morning, if anything else do you have to go see Erykah Badu I saw her at Jazz Fest in New Orleans and 22 Fantastic she's also my literal birthday twin last year we entered this plane on the same day and I I have nothing but love and respect for her and I everything that she does and everything she touches. I am like keep going. Yeah, yeah, so I'm gonna bucket I'm gonna bucket I'll just make sure I like it. And then the next day I can have anything to do the next we might have a podcast recording next day. Just to catch you fresh off the energy I'm calling out sick, sick. She's got to get on the podcast. Well phone you up. We'll just call you on the cell. Oh my gosh, get on the Zoom. We haven't working now. What other summer tours are going on? We're going to this this this is the time of year I feel like everybody did in that mindset of planning. Yeah. So what's to get to what I've got um, so let me just also note that this week the Foo Fighters have announced a new album. I'm very pumped for that because that is I love all I love so many different types of music so many different bands, so many artists but I always always always go back to Foo Fighters that is like my that's like the soundtrack in my head that it's it's like right up there with like a Hans Zimmer and soundtrack. Like I could listen to it again and again and again and again and never get sick of it. But I don't have tickets to see for fighters this year. What I do have tickets for so I saw Bikini Kill last night. That was the start of my 2023 I have Yeah, yeah yeahs in early June. Karen Oh. Have you ever? Have you ever seen her paintings? Like oh, I didn't know she painted shit is incredible. Yes. So yeah, yes. And then I got tickets to Madonna, bitch. I can't help it. Bitch. I'm Madonna. I love her. I know. I know she's polarizing. I know that she's a boomer. I know all of the things but no, I know. I think that's fucking fantastic. I love my daughter. I don't. She's always been who she is. Exactly. And unapologetic. Madonna has not changed. Madonna has not changed. Fucking love as I think Janet is on tour this I'm gonna look at Janet. You're gonna see Janet and going to see Janet with muda at the Hollywood Bowl. La. That's where I saw the I do in LA. She's she's in LA for that the second to her lap. I think that's her last show or second to last show. Oh my gosh, she just started her tour. It's a short tour. She was just down here in Fort Lauderdale. The day like right as I left for Phoenix, so she's rolling through Minneapolis though. And I know Atlanta is on the list too. So Luna is also one of my favorite. Oh, so this will be another fun. Janet would be like total total bomb i i know you're not a fan of her voice D but I want to see Beyonce. And like, I tried to get in on like the pre sales and whatnot. And I got kicked to the curb. And so I'm trying to decide how much of a debt I want to go into to get a Beyonce ticket. But we'll see. We'll see. But you know, the other thing too, that's the trade off, isn't it? Because it's like, oh, well, I can go see a live show. That could also be an airplane ticket to go somewhere that plays well, you know, that's what they say like if you want to save on let's say a Beyonce ticket. And I don't know how much this means in terms of savings, but it's best to see them when they're abroad. You know, because their tickets are cheaper. So I think my friends My friends are flying from Jamaica to London to see Beyonce, because the ticket was cheaper in London and they you know, you use your miles and your points and whatnot. And they're saying, you know, by family, so it worked out. So it's cheaper. So in cases like that, but you know, I don't know what it's like to travel to see somebody because you still got to buy a plane ticket if hotel Airbnb, whatever. I mean, I guess it's fine to have that experience, you know? Sure. There was, there was a case where Foo Fighters were in Southern France. This I want to say, though, I don't know if the concert happened. Because it was still I think, during pandemic shutdown, period. So I don't know if it happened, but they were going to be in name in southern France, which is close to where we had stayed when we visited there. And so my son and I were like, Let's hatch a plan. And we're gonna go back to southern France and go see Foo Fighters while we're there. And only it was like, huh, I don't know. And of course, it didn't happen. But I've thought about traveling to see music, but I don't know. To me, there's also so many other things to see when you travel. I just think it's like really great when you're in the city, for instance, like one of my best trips, the first times I went to New Orleans, and Damian Marley was at the House of Blues. And it was just like, what? Yeah, that's incredible. Friends and I we got tickets like that day, because it was like the day we flew in, he was performing that night. And it was just like, so amazing. You know, like, what a coincidence and it was just really, really cool. That was like one of my best concert experiences, quite frankly. Well, I do recommend Jazz Fest in New Orleans, which I believe starts next weekend and then the following weekend. And that was that was such a fantastic experience, seeing Stevie Nicks perform. Unfortunately, we missed Willie Nelson because he had to cancel someone in his band got COVID And so they completely canceled the set. But Erykah Badu was there, the Black Crowes were there, that band blew me away because they they're obviously the same band, but their voices and their and their sound have aged like a fine wine like it's deeper and richer and a bit more slow on the tempo but it was it was so it was fantastic. Plus, you know eat everything in New Orleans when you're there so I know we got to get we we have trips to take ladies. We got places to go about it. Got to do it. Thanks for stepping inside our heads this week. Don't forget to subscribe to our YouTube channel and follow W TAF women travel art and food on Instagram and Tiktok things that make you go WTF is a production of Alice riot MMC. We connect brands and contemporary women artists. Drop us a line at Hello at Alice riot.com