Resurgence of the Fearless: Women's Quest for Unbounded Success

Buckle up for a wild ride where we shatter stereotypes and ignite a revolution! 

Forget what you've been told about it being "too late" or being "too old" to pursue your dreams. The women of WTAF obliterate these toxic notions and reveal the hidden power within. We expose the lies that have kept women confined for far too long, and explore how they've harnessed their resilience to transform their lives.

Pivoting isn't just a trendy buzzword—it's a fierce weapon in the arsenal of those who refuse to settle. We expose the truth that people have been pivoting their entire lives, challenging the status quo and redefining their destinies. Wave goodbye to the shackles of "golden handcuffs" that keep you tied to the familiar and comfortable. We'll teach you how to break free and unleash your untapped potential.

Success? It's time to flip the script. We rip apart traditional corporate ideals and explore the uncharted territories where women are reclaiming their autonomy. The relentless burden of domestic duties is shattered as we demand equality and redefine what it means to triumph in the modern world.

And hold on tight because WTAF is about to embark on an epic journey to Ghana! Say goodbye to budget travel and unleash your inner rebel as we embrace the unapologetic indulgence that GenX women deserve. It's time to step into a world of liberation, adventure, and unfiltered joy.

This electrifying episode of WTAF will challenge you to defy expectations, reclaim your power, and ignite the rebel spirit that's been dormant for far too long. Don't settle for ordinary—become the unstoppable force that you were born to be.

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Hello and welcome to things that make you go WTF. A podcast that brings you the unvarnished banter behind the scenes of our YouTube series women travel, art and food. I'm Kelly brailler, CEO of fine art licensing agency Ellis riot and co host of WTF. Join me, Diana Ogilvie and our guests each week for straight talk of how we manage our careers, entrepreneurial endeavors and personal lives as we seek out exceptional food and art experiences around the world. Is it worth the effort? fuck around and find out. Okay, Hello, ladies. Hey, okay, Corinne, you got some big news? What's going on? I mean, last time we talked, you were going back to school. And now you're starting something else? Gosh, it's been a little bit. Yeah, so I am on week seven out of eight. So coming in on the homestretch. On my class. It's been it's been a grind. I don't think I'll be signing up for any more leisurely education anytime soon. It's taken a lot out of me. But I'm proud that I did it. I've learned a lot. And I'm I'm ready to be done though. Hi, I am moving on to a new brand launch, which is exciting. And I haven't even shared this part with you guys. So if you recall, I was working with a brand down here in Florida. That's how I met my boyfriend ended up down here. And now I'm moving to a new brand that will bring me back to California Fremont. Ah, so I will be making a monthly trip to San Diego. And so I'll be working again in the wellness space, which is fantastic. I've got a passion for that. It's bittersweet. You know, I love change. It's bittersweet, but being able to be and have a voice in topics that haven't previously been talked about being at the forefront of some of those innovative discussions and being able to represent men's health and wellness. As somebody who's just passionate about seeing everybody be their best who is exciting for. So it's men's health and wellness, men's health and wellness. It's a brand that focuses on TRT testosterone replacement therapy, and they have some other functions. So it's a men's wellness clinic. Interesting. Yeah. Interesting. I love it. I'm learning a lot in that. So you know, I think it's great just to be able to break down barriers, even for help pave the way for another gender to openly discuss some of these just different topics. You do TRT they do. Ed, they do weight management, there's just so many great functions and anytime you know your body chemistry is off, it affects the other areas of your life, your home life, your family life, your relationship life, your personal mental wellness. I know some people have that I've shared this new chapter have said Yeah, I mean, I went through some are part of that. And I went through this dark face. So it's good to champion positive thing. That's cool. Thanks, guys. Oh, Kelly, I think you're on mute. I was now I'm off mute. I was just gonna say I hope there's obviously something in that to where we're reminding men of their very important role in helping to support and lift women. So you know, saying that as we come into this week, and the devastating news that we have lost the queen of rock'n'roll. Yes, Ms. Tina Turner passing away and that is, man talk about a powerful story just absolutely powerful. So yeah, I've always looked to Tina stories as something that was always lifted me up when I feel like Oh, I'm so far behind, in things I like yo, Tina started in her 40s started again, in her 40s As a solo female performer, not to mention a solo black woman performer in her 40s and rose to the heights of greatness, you know, sabe if they if there is ever again, if there's ever a story that it's never too late, I've always looked to Tina starting over again, you know, oh, you will without question. And, you know, I know that for myself. I'm old enough to remember when private dancer came out the album, and it was I believe 1980 For me, I was a seventh grader. And and to see that video I remember what's love got to do with it and she's got on the denim jacket and that amazing hair and the skirt. Exactly. It just it was it was a force and seeing that as a seventh grader and going, Wow, and hearing that voice, yes. And then already, you know, and obviously back then they were calling out how old she was, I think she was like 45 or 47 when that album came out, and and she just dominated MTV, it was it was insane. And, and you're right. I mean, we're, you know, you know, I think that that's part of, you know, we've been on this journey with with WTF and this idea of, how do you get inspired, to keep going or to start something new. And yeah, to dismiss that notion that once you get to a certain age, your time has passed. So I'll give you a very personal story on this. I'm 52. And this is the age my mother was when my father passed away. So she was 52 years old when my dad died back in 2005. And listen, my mom passed away in 2021, at age 68. And there is something I think, I believe in my in my bones, that your mindset, and your choices, shape everything in terms of your outcome. And in her case, at 52 years old, my mom started calling herself a senior citizen. And there was a specific evening, this was about eight months after my dad passed, and she was in Minneapolis, we were going to see a show at the Guthrie Theater, went out for dinner beforehand. And my mom was like Mensa genius, super smart woman that had really always had this negative narrative going in her head that it was too late, or she couldn't do things that she had responsibilities, and she had other things she had to do and, and it presented itself in debt. Diana, I know we talked about this in Jamaica in really competitive ways that as her daughter, were not very supportive or encouraging for me, in my development, that at that dinner, I'm like, Mom, you're totally This is the first time in your adult life that you aren't taking care of somebody, whether it was me as a baby, or a child, or my brother and I or dad with his his various health issues, or her parents she managed with, you know, their aging. And, and, and I'm like, Have you thought about going back to school? You know, you talked about being a veterinarian years ago. And she got angry, like, visibly angry at me at dinner. And she was like, it is too late for that. I am, you know, I am too old. I can't I mean, she was angry, saying that to me. And I was like, Oh, okay. But I tell you what, from that moment, I have rejected that full stop. I'm like, No, it's not too late mom, if you wanted to, you could do these things. And you do have the support, and you have the means to go and do them. And she couldn't get out of her own way. And I think that that's something generational, I think that's why I get really excited about I love being a Gen XOR. Because I think we are the first generation of women who have the full stop ability to go after the things we want. The only thing in our way is ourselves, really, you know, and that's and that's a very broad statement. And I understand there are a lot of factors that go into that socio economic, demographic, you know, cultural, all of those things. But really, we are in the position to say yes to ourselves, if we choose to do so. I think a lot of people get sick and tired of being sick and tired of having to start over that people that pivot. It's real, it's hard. It's not easy, but I'll tell you, as somebody who's done it, and I've wide surround myself, which is really awesome people that are taking these pivots. Kelly, you're one of them, it's like you're going to do something different. And you know, when I think about that, when you take that card left or right versus just kind of going along, you find something I think in yourself and around you, you you create these different phases of life, and you learn a lot about yourself in a very quick way. Yeah, I realized that during the pandemic, that P word pivot, just like took a left turn, you know, when it just first started coming, you know, start coming out, like we got to pivot, you know, have to change how we're doing things and all of that. And then I realized shut up and pivot in all my damn life. Like, what the fuck? Like, what is all this? What is this? What is this new pivot thing that you guys are talking about? You know, and then I look to my left and to my right, and there's women who have been pivoted their whole lives as well. So I don't know why it has become like it's this. This thing of empowerment when we really look and drill down. We have been pivoting. Yep. I think that we have been, but I also think D that and start I think of a lot of the women that even even women, I've known my entire life, and who bought into a particular path. And maybe it's not the path for them, but they feel a sense of responsibility or motivation or determination to stay on that path and succeed at all costs. I mean, it's and thank you, Corinne. I mean, yeah, I mean, I've now been officially out of full time corporate America for eight years. But I still feel the pull to go back to it. In fact, I was just talking with one of our mutual friends a couple weeks ago, who happens to be a man and he was talking about, you know, I have these things I want to do in these ideas. But I also feel that sense of security, if I go back to that career that I started 2530 years ago, like I should stay there, because there's certainty there's a there's a steady paycheck, there's a compensation package. And I'm like, yeah, those are also called golden handcuffs. Aha. Because I even like for as has sick and demented and twisted as it is, I watched succession on Macs formerly known as HBO. That's an entire other conversation about destroying legacy brands. But when I watched succession, and Ollie watches it with me, and he's like, that's just wack. And like, no, that's corporate, like I can, I can feel myself in those scenes, moving with those people and doing what they do. And I feel that pole to go back into it. But I also know that I know myself now well enough to know that if I go back in there, I will be miserable. People will not understand how I work, because I'm not, I'm not a conformist. And it'll be disastrous, and I will not get anywhere close to the things I actually want to do, which is, look at great art, travel the world and eat everything in my wake. And so, like, I've, I've managed to figure out that those are the three things that I truly want more than anything in this life. And I want them on my own terms. So, you know, I think there are a lot of means for women to help find themselves and and figure out what's right for them. I just don't always know that. They have the ability to look up and around and step out boldly and do something different. Because it's safety. It's it's the golden handcuffs. It's security, it's certainty, it's not clarity. And fear will always keep you where you're at, you can always go back to the golden handcuffs, you can always go back to the safety net. But I think I there's not been one person that comes to mind where when they took that leap, they said, oh shit, I should I should go back to where I came from. That just doesn't happen. Nine out of 10 times. Exactly. Because you you took that leap for a reason. Yes, it's yours, you own it, you own that decision, you own that path. And you're going alright, hell or high water, I'm gonna see what I'm made of, and I'm gonna pave my own way. Yes. I listen, though. I mean, I think that I want to be really, really clear on this. I do think that we have been told a narrative that the golden handcuffs the career path reached for the brass ring is is what success looks like, you know, you know, nevermind the fact that traditionally, you know, female roles in the household haven't necessarily shifted to where there's equality there as well. I mean, we're kind of told, you can go after these things, too. But don't forget to do your, you know, your domestic duty. Yeah, you can do everything. Yeah, you know, just don't expect a fucking burden. You can have everything. And I includes, you know, but don't forget, you got stuff to do at home too. Precisely. And, you know, I think that it's, it's, you know, the whole caretaker role, you know, isn't an interesting thing to unpack at some point. But I do think that there are women where corporate America is the right thing for them. And they are, you know, and I want them to be wildly successful because I want them to change how decisions get made inside these companies. You know, we you know, whether it's having perseverance and standing behind your decisions, no matter how much cultural war pressure you might be getting to take down pride signs in your stores that was really painful to watch this week, unfold, you know, coming, you know, Corinne from our retail experience. Yeah. Like, don't give in. Don't give into the haters. Yeah, stick with it. And I and I want there to be more leaders inside companies. Because I think women have that, that ability to look a little bit more empathetically and dynamically at something and say, You're gonna stick with this, you're gonna, you're gonna, you're gonna you're not going to cave in right away. You know, and I think that we can bring those skills and that intuition into into those spaces. So I do want to see more Women are, you know, obviously, I would love to know that there's never going to be a Most Powerful Women list anymore in Fortune Magazine. It's just the most powerful CEOs, and just happens to be the majority of them are women. Wouldn't that be great? Okay, awesome. I would totally love it. So. Okay, that's an awkward pause. I'm just processing. You know, I was thinking about your statement about the retailer, that one I took, I'm still kind of like in shock, because that whole instance, when you really break it down, says something. Right. into point it's caving to the haters. But it's also taking back a brand's position on what they built and what they stand for. And the party took a left or right hand turn, I don't care which direction he took a turn. And so actually, we're not standing for that anymore. Yeah, you know, regardless of reason, we don't stand for that anymore. Something that they really took pride in, you know, and really wanted to stand for so those things when I see those headlines when I see that behavior in the media, on man, you allow yourself to be bullied. Yeah, and either way there's there's no right answer, right? Because damned if you do damned if you don't, you're gonna alienate some people, if you keep up that signs and sell that gear, but look at the people you're abandoning now. You're also abandoning a segment, I think you're gonna lose some business that way as well. Yeah, because walking it back definitely has some consequences. And not only that, it's just really disappointing. You know, here you are, you're standing for something. And then you go, Oh, you know what? No, let's just walk that back. Because it's just too much heat, or whatever, for whatever reason, like, you know, I'm not in those boardrooms, knowing what's going on. But it's just, it's just disappointing. You know, it's like, being this this, this? Yeah, it's just disappointing. I, I have sympathy, sincere sympathy right now for the social impact teams that are having to navigate this. You know, I mean, you know, when you when you put pen to paper, and you write down commitments on social impact on social responsibility on environmental responsibility on equity and inclusion and diversity, and then you catch some heat and you are looking at the short term financial impact and making a decision on that on the short termism versus the long term play, that that is going to have ripple effect and consequences on their social impact agenda. You know, and this is ultimately where that that business for social responsibility, CSR, sustainability, social impact world, all of the terms that have evolved over the past 20 years, this is these are the these are the moments where that that is proven, it doesn't matter what you've put in the past 10 years worth of Yeah, CSR reports, what hat what matters is what you do in those five minutes. And, and playing the chessboard and going if we move this way, here are going to be the moves that come back to us. If you move this way. Here's here's what we're gonna have to deal with later. And there is no, it's it's a shit sandwich. It really is. But it also creates a loss of trust. I was just about to say that. Yeah, loss of trust, because now your veracity is down the toilet. I can't trust you. And that's what building corporate relations, you know, b2b, b2c, whatever, like, I can't go in and buy anything from you anymore. I can't believe I definitely can't believe anything you say anymore. Because you said one thing, and then he walked it back. So what am I supposed to do? You know, now I just don't trust you. I want to do we do with if that was a human being if that was a person, for me, you're my shitless Forget it. I'm not even talking to you anymore. See, and, and this is just a tiny little focus group here. Think of the conversations that are happening widely across the nation right now on it. I mean, let's just, yep. And I'll just say, you know, again, total sympathy and, you know, for those for those people who have to now navigate the fallout of this, these are the days I do not miss corporate. I'm like, Oh, yeah. Oh, that's tough. Especially because next week is sort of Pride Month. Yeah. So you know, yeah, it's just it's tough. I and that's where to like, like, going back to the idea of of women and leadership. I just would love to see more women in those leadership roles because I do think that there is a different mindset that is brought to the table, a different way of thinking about Solving problems and challenges and, and frankly, you know how to stand up to bullies. Yeah, yeah. But I, you know, again, I'm not spending my time, you know, full stop inside the corporate boardrooms anymore. I'm spending my time talking about where we're going to travel next and what we're gonna need next. And, you know, this is where, let's but let's talk about let's talk about women like us, you know, I mean, we've spent a little bit of time, Diana myself, really. And also I have to give a shout out because Farhanah is, again, where in the world is she? I think right now, as we speak. She's in a car driving from LA to Arizona. So she's probably in Death Valley somewhere. You know, who knows? I mean, that's just one of the things I love about it. I think she also just said she's moving somewhere, like in the next year or two. So yeah, I'm a new kind of I mentioned that I wanted to go to Portugal for my birthday, one of our meetings and she's like, oh, yeah, we did. And this year, I was like, what? I love Portugal. I will talk. We'll talk I want to go. Yeah. Maybe I'll make a cameo. Where are you talking about this year for your birthday? Yeah, I got two big trips coming up this year. I mean, not to you know, interrupt the flow. Get here. I allows. I've booked my plane ticket to Ghana. Oh, for August. I'm going in August. And then when I come back, I am going to Portugal for my birthday for like a long weekend. A long weekend. Yeah, a long weekend. Trip. Please tell me there are seven days in that week. Like seriously? Okay, so Okay, so right now I'm sitting here of course practically going. So how do I get someone to go with Diana to film while she's in Ghana so we get the next episode is in Ghana? Uh huh. We got it we gotta we gotta figure that out. D I probably cannot join you on that trip but let's make sure that we are let's document let's let's Yeah, let's documentary now. Let's do it. Yeah, it's it's the first time on the continent. It's the only continent that I've not been on. So everyone who has visited Jamaica says Jamaica looks like gotta and god it looks like Jamaica. So I'm really interested to see that up close and live. I'm gonna get more tattoos. These are called Audrina tattoos, so I'm gonna like do a full sleeve. Furthermore, that isn't more like cultural symbolism for Edwin contrives. Um, yeah, I'm just gonna have like a nice little Afro politan city vibe. And then go out to the countryside, like Kumasi where they make Kente cloth. Find a waterfall because you know, Kelly, wherever I am, I gotta find a waterfall chasing waterfalls. Yes, I don't care what CLC is that I'm doing? Yeah, I'll be there for a good amount of time about three weeks. So yeah, I'm I'm just super excited. And there's a couple of art festivals happening over there as well. This cello was it and then there was a balloon festival just overall good time and just reconnecting and seeing what happens in in Ghana. That is amazing. Yeah, we're gonna have to do that we're gonna have to do some things to get you some support while you're there so that we can we can we can showcase the the Diana solo episode. We had the Kelly solo episode in New York. I think it's time for the Diana solo episode and gonna come in soon. But we're here. This is so good. Sadly, yeah. No, that's that is that is fantastic. And then I'm so happy you're making that trip to Portugal for your birthday. Are you going to go to Lisbon? Yeah, it'll be it'll be in Lisbon. Portugal has been calling me for a number of years in particular, the Azores. But during my birth birthday month, which is November it's not the best time because it's rainy. And then in the summertime, it's always packed. But of all, but I'll make that trip to the Azores Sunday. Sounds like let's just let's just listen. You like to eat Blizzard isn't eating city, you could do a long weekend. Yeah, let's do it. And yeah, I've been doing a deep dive in some really cool YouTube videos. But you know, it's so interesting. And I think this is where we as WTF and Gen X women stand out is that we're kind of done with the budget travel. So it's more like how to take the bus and the train in Portugal. And I'm like, it'll be raining the entire time. And then I found one video of this young lady from New York and she was like, Yeah, Uber works. And I'm like, That's my kind of girl. But yes, it's a walk in city. But she's also like, yeah, if you want to go anywhere, that's like 30 minutes out to like, center, which is a little beachside town. Uber works, you know. So, yeah, we'll be doing that. I think you're on to something like that to around that idea of budget travel. I mean, listen, I'm not going to be booking for season stay anywhere that I go. Obviously not. I'm far more interested in being connected to the people who live in a city. Yeah. And walking, where they walk and eating where they eat and seeing what they see. But I also am not going to stay in a youth hostel. Yeah. Our backpacking days are over. I'm done. Exactly. I mean, I think that this is, you know, that's one of the things that I love about what we're doing with with, with this podcast, with the episodes with WTF is that, you know, we're trying to put forward a story that reaches women who are at the stage in their lives, with the means to step out and immerse themselves in great experiences, and doing it in a way that's both within reach for where they are budget wise, and do it now. Like, yeah, get out there and do this, you know, embrace your power, you know, and it's not just about yay, women's power. No, it's about the fact that Gen X women and late millennial women were the super consumers. We are we are the ones spending the money. We have the wealth, we have the means the time, the interest, to go off and do the things that we're interested in and in doing and, you know, we certainly hope you know, what we show in our episodes, inspires somebody to do it themselves. Book, book a trip, make a reservation, invest in a work of art, you know, or help, you know, start your own business, get going take take cues from Corinne and just be a serial entrepreneur and VC and go do these things. And that's something I love about the conversations we're having, especially with chefs and artists, is where they start in their lives. Mm hmm. You know, Chef nussey, Mala Connie at Sophia and Brooklyn, started Sophia and Brooklyn, which is a James Beard Award finalist. She's been a chef at the White House for their novels, several Persian New Year celebration. She started Sophia at 59. And, you know, and she breaks that down in our first episode in New York. But that's that's, that's a hell of an inspiring story. Look at look at look at Ina Garten. I mean, she talks about starting the Barefoot Contessa, which was originally that deli out on Long Island in the Hamptons, before she became the Food Network Barefoot Contessa? Yeah, she was in her late 40s, early 50s. When she started that jam. Martha Stewart's on the cover of Sports Illustrated right now at 81. Martha go get it. Brought it? She did. And that's and that's totally into the boomer space. One of the things I think has been interesting, just a quick comment on on the Sports Illustrated cover is that well, it's a Success Magazine. And it's objectifying women. And I'm like, you know, what, if we want the things we say that we want, we want choice, we want freedom to make our own decisions. I think we have to, we have to give space to women who take that agency and are making their own choices and not judge them for it. So if you want plastic surgery, have at it. I've personally had plastic surgery when I had my double mastectomy 11 years ago, and that was enough for me. But hey, if you want to do it, go for it. If you want to be on the cover of a magazine, like take ownership of it. Yeah, I am all for women going after the things that they want. And being free of the burden of others judgments. Yeah, including mine. Would I do that? Maybe not necessarily. But that doesn't mean that she can't freedom of choice. And you know, just being away from from judgment for me that that's what it is. The freedom of choice is when you start restricting, and start restricting stuff from Lady Parts and something that I can't do this with my own body, then we have a problem because nothing should be written about anybody else's body. Like well, don't kill somebody's body. Deliberate. Yeah, exactly. And that's where we're seeing some really, like fucked up shit in the US right now happening in the states where I'm like, if you take a step back away from all of these things that are happening, I'm like, that's fear. Fear of losing power. Yeah, that's what that's what it's ultimately about. And so it's, and I'm like, You know what, and you've heard me say this before, ladies. Oh, if generate if two thirds of all generational wealth in the US by 2030 is held by women. Money Talks, bullshit walks, fine. Try to pass all your legislation right now. It isn't going to stand the test of time it just won't, because women are not going to let it stand. It just fell. No, no, it ain't gonna happen. So, so yeah, I mean, gosh, we are, you know, we're, you know, ready to drop Episode Three that's coming up the week of June 12. And, you know, and then we're going to spend time this summer on these episodes, either talking about or inviting in women who we think are really who really reflect the spirit of WTF and we're thinking about the these different types of women like I mean, I think right now there's this there's this interest in everything going viral and reaching as many eyeballs as possible. And yeah, maybe I'm a little old school in my PR thinking but I like being a little bit more targeted on who we're trying to connect with. Maybe less interested in having the whole damn world no about us. But I'm, I'm kind of excited. And there's there's seven different types of women that that we're thinking about here. And I'm gonna read through this little list here and Korean and D, let's talk about who these women are and what we think of them. We got number one is the Gen X empty nester, the family has grown and she has more time to focus on the things she loves, and maybe have like paused or never started and she's feeling motivated to get going now. Number two, we've got a women's culture activist Hey, just like us, you know, keep keep your bands off our bodies and you know, we're here to raise up and support other women the careerist I'm even thinking of some of the women who I absolutely love and admire who are inside the fortune 50 corporations and they're kicking ass and they're leading. And they have the wealth and the time to invest in, in you know, travel experiences, fine art experiences, great food experiences. Then we've got you know, we've got the Corinne, the entrepreneurial minded individual. She can be inspired to start her own endeavors after a travel or food or art experience, or whatever it is, that's like calling to her to get something up and put it up. And listen, I'll say, as an entrepreneur as well, I absolutely love it. And it is the hardest thing I think I've ever done career wise, is that yes, having the resolve to ride through the, you know, through the hiccups and the failures and the downs and the ups and stick with it, because you can see the bigger picture. So we got the late bloomers, you know, only you know, women who you know, late 30s, early 40s, even into our 50s. And you're just now starting to feel some confidence to say out loud, you know, I've always wanted to play the drums. Or, you know, I've always wanted to be a police officer who knows what it is right? But like, you're just finding now you've got that like, oh my god, I think I want to do this, you know? And like, how do you how do you continue to build on that confidence. And hopefully we can be here for you on that. This one I love. Oh, go ahead. I don't think probably I hope before the next episode or maybe by the end of the summer, you show up to one of these going Hey, guys, you guys have learned how to play the bongos that took the drums. level deeper. And I've been working on my percussion. And by the way, I have my first album coming out. Actually, you know what if I really like if I had really been ambitious, you know? Well, first of all, I think it's important to note on the drums thing. That is the instrument I wanted to play when I was very, very young and was told no, because it's too loud. And you should play piano because I played piano so and I suck at piano. But, you know, I am a little a little bummed out that I missed the opportunity to be the new drummer for the Foo Fighters just saying. I started below Did you? I thought of you when I saw that headline. I was I was reading the article. It's like I should have been Kelly. Kelly. Could have been Kelly. Yeah, I don't know if I could pass the the Dave Grohl standard, but you know, it's certainly interesting. Anyway, um, a couple of more different types of women that we really love to connect with here. The PTO hoarder, are you a PTO hoarder? Do you sit inside corporate America and hoard all of your hours and then never use them? Because I think you know, we're really interested in inspiring you to actually drain that PTO account and go and see some things always drop this is there is no reward or or metal at the end of your corporate career for having hoarded all your PTO really, some people will say, Well, I'll get up financial payout for it and like, and then what? You missed all those chances to have great experiences. Yeah, it's not a badge of honor. Yeah, you can have money but you can't count me great experiences. Exactly. We can help you. Yeah, we can help you we can help you spend those PTO hours. So and then there's this one. This one is my this one that I am most interested in talking with women who fit this profile, the passive Voyer. So we know that food and travel programming is a top five genre for women. There are tons of women who love food and travel programming, who don't cook, don't invest in art, and they don't travel, but they love to watch it. Like I'm I'm really interested in conversations with people who fit that profile, like, like, what is it and why what is it that is like about the watching, but you don't want to participate in some way and that's okay. You know, absolutely fine. I'm just really curious about that particular type of woman. And how much of it is, maybe you see yourself in that category, but maybe you really are an empty nester or entrepreneurial Exactly. bloomer. Yeah, you think that you're a voyeur. But you're really not. You just need a nudge. A little go get started on some Yeah. Yeah. I love these personas. Yeah, I mean, you know, it's it, you know it. And I, you know, I think that's, uh, you know, yes. When we were first putting these down, we were like, Oh, these are the personas of the people that we're trying to reach. But I think I know actual women. And passive lawyers when I can't really put my finger on yet in terms of someone in my, in my orbit, who fits that. But all the other ones, I can think of very specific women. First, middle last names, women, I've known my entire life who fit these categories. And I'm like, Well, I want to talk with them about what their travel experiences are like, what what they get excited about what sort of voodoo they love, where what are some of their fears and trepidations. In terms of traveling to a new place? Or, you know, the you know, we always hear about how intimidating art can be like, and you know, and I think that the easiest answer about art is, it's about what you love. It really is, if you're trying to look at it as an asset class, or you're trying to like play it like a stock market, I don't think you're gonna you miss the joy of of what art is about, and how it enriches and brings, you know, different perspective to your life. So yeah, I'm excited to spend the summer talking about these women. Love as you're thinking about, like the women we even talk with in in the episodes like, like Corinne, I mean, I know, I totally put you on the spot and said, She's entrepreneurial minded, but of those like, how would you describe yourself? Well, a, that's a nice compliment. And B, I would say I'm a Yeah, I mean, I'm an entrepreneur, I'm a Business creator. I you know, it's interesting people who know me really well know that I get energized by the ideation of talking about different business concepts, concepts, people that don't know me go, Oh, you're all business all the time. Well, clearly, they can't see that gives me energy. I love thinking about new ideas for myself or for other people. When so when people say I'm stuck, you know, I'm, you know, dead end of my job or career, I'm like, let's talk about it. I'm gonna persevere, like, let's talk about it, and figure that out. But yeah, I do consider myself an entrepreneur. Because I'm always challenging myself always taking those big leaps, and always building new businesses and contributing to ideas or teams that that helped me get into new pathways. Diana, how would you how would you categorize yourself? I think I'm definitely the Late Bloomer. Yeah, definitely the Late Bloomer. Like I didn't start this journey until I was, you know, in my early, mid to early 30s is traveling the world. And there's so much world to see. And I just feel like I am so behind, you know, and like getting my business up and running in terms of, you know, doing more curated tours around the globe, you know, starting with Jamaica, you know, imagine like a WTA of trip to Jamaica, with all the spots and the places that we went or the people that we talked to like that's my jam like that was it like that's my business WTF Jamaica that. No, and it's gonna end it's gonna be WTA Afghan and it's gonna be WTF and Lisbon and it's gonna be WTF the stories and it's going to be WTF New York and LA and all the places we go. I mean, so, for those of you listening, if you watch an episode and you're like, I want to take that trip. Drop us a line. And you can go to go to our website, you can leave a comment on YouTube and we will get back to you because Diana is going to set you up. And I will tell you that Jamaica trip, I would go back in a heartbeat. Oh, God, I love that and seeing some of the things that Farhanah has been putting on social like that picture of me and Morton walking in the jungle toward nanny falls. And I am drenched in sweat. And I remember I remember exactly how I felt standing there. And I'm like, I want to go back. Right now. I want to go back and jump in those falls right this minute. I want to walk down those slippery steps to get down to the falls like I can. I can. Every sense of that. But yes, hit up, Diana. And you know, it's funny you say that about you know that you feel like you got a late start. I look at you and I'm thinking Damn, she is so far ahead of me. Oh, wow. Are you kidding me? You lived in Bali for fuck sake. Like, I get excited when I go to Key West and like, Woohoo. I mean, like, you are so far ahead. Oh, you are you're so much farther ahead than so many of us who want to do these things. And, you know, like I'm looking at this list for myself. Definitely, I would say entrepreneurial minded. I used to think I was a careerist. Until I like woke up from the matrix and got out of corporate full time, I still have the fortunate opportunity to continue to work with clients who are corporate and I love, like, I gotta say, self esteem brands, I look at the women who are in the leadership team over there, and I am so inspired by them. It is and that is such a great business. And it's just going to take off and health and wellness and I get really excited and I have that chance to work with them. They're careerists. I'm the entrepreneurial mind one because I am the one who keeps starting new LLC is every 15 minutes. And like I have an experience and I get an idea. And I'm like, oh, you know, and I love that I've got enough of that corporate experience to go. Okay, start an LLC, talk to an attorney put some trademark rules down. Like I'm all about, like protecting the idea, so that the idea can be monetized at some point in the future. But I'm also the Late Bloomer. I started Alice riot when I was 48. And, you know, and you know, I learned a lot. You know, I know that Korean you were there along on that journey when we thought we were an apparel company. And then we thought we were the accessories company and lo and behold, you know we are now we are an art licensing and PR firm. Like that's what we do. We connect brands with artists, and then we help amplify the stories. And I love it. Like where we're at right now. And we have so many exciting things to announce this summer that are coming down the pike. So I find myself kind of vacillating across several personas, we can see ourselves in each of these personas, you know, is this kind of like you know, when it talks about like, what's your love language? And you know, there's like these five love languages have been floating around. I'm like, I'm every single one of these give me gifts. Spend time with me be acts of service touch me. Yeah, I'd be a good listener. Well, let's, I'll tell you what, folks, just stay tuned this summer, we're gonna we're gonna bring in guests, we're gonna talk about these different types of women and do it through the lens of the of the travels we've made in the travels we're making next. And just always grateful to have you along for the ride. As you know, we talk about you know, fuck around and find out and that's what we're all about. Come on, it's your life. You got time now right now fuck around and find out go and try these things. And hopefully we're giving you a little bit of motivation to get off the couch and go go book something, be at a trip or a reservation or a private appointment with a gallerist to invest in a multimillion dollar painting or a $50 painting. Whatever gives you joy. All right, we're gonna talk next week. Okay. 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