Episode 1 - "Holy Cow, UFOs are Real"

We discuss the beginning of our UFO research and our website which was brought on by the continued reporting of the New York Times on the infamous "Tic-Tac Encounter."  The amount of evidence from this encounter, lead us to ask more questions and it's those questions we intend to explore in this series.

Transcript

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Hello and welcome to the first Fortean Winds podcast.

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I'm your host, RamX Editor in chief of the Fortean

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Winds website, and I'm here with my co-host, bones.

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Hey, how's it going?

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We're here to tell you a little bit more about things

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that are normally termed as paranormal things like UFOs,

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cryptids, strange science, poltergeists, and how those things are related.

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For myself, I did not know they were related until around

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2019 or 2020, when I was stuck at home during the pandemic lockdowns

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and discovered the now famous 2017 New York

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Times article, the discuss the Tic-Tac encounter.

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And it gave us the Tic TAC videos.

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Did you see those bones? Yeah, I did.

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Pretty amazing.

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Yeah.

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So in 2017, many of you probably saw it.

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The New York Times published an article that changed the whole conversation

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around UFOs.

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And since

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then, I have been trying to figure out first

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whether the article was telling the truth and then more about what UFOs are.

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For myself, it has been a process of self-discovery,

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too, because it challenged everything that I thought was real.

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Have the very nuts and bolts, technical sort of guy.

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And this has really changed

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my worldview and my perspective on a lot of things.

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So I come out of my approach to the phenomenon.

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UFO phenomenon is really from an analyst and a data person's point of view.

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And so I started to gather other people around me,

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who would help with Fortean wins, who had that same perspective about UFOs.

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For the last couple of years, I've been trying to figure out what UFOs are.

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I looked for a website that would have sort of this information.

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I couldn't find one, so I decided to put one together.

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People seem to like it.

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So we're going to do a little podcast companion to it.

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And bones, what are you thinking about?

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All these Fortean happenings?

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You know, all of this is somewhat new to me.

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But it's really is fascinating.

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The, I think what what really caught my attention was that,

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the video, was it like a Navy video, the Tic TAC, right?

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Yeah, yeah, the tic tac, and they're trying to, get there.

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They're trying to capture it with their with their instruments.

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I remember watching that, and that just blew me away.

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Yeah.

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The fascinating thing about that encounter,

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and I think the reason that it changed the narrative around UFOs

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is that there was so much data associated with it.

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So there was multiple, ships traveling with it when it when a carrier

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like that travels, it usually travels with a couple of submarines.

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An entire boat full of radars.

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All of those things tracked this object

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as well as the pilots tracked it visually.

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There was video from it.

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You had people on the ship who saw it.

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So the only people at this point who were saying that that's not real

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are other people clinging to a very, in my opinion,

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a very, dicey scientific

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or natural phenomenon idea or,

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they're they're they're saying the government's lying,

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you know, and the government has lied on this subject as I was come

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and as I know come to find out, come out.

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Well, truthfully, I didn't think that they could.

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It wasn't so much that I think the government wouldn't,

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because the government's lied about all sorts of things.

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And I love my my America, just like lots of other Americans.

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But our government is far from perfect.

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So there's been cases where the US government

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has experimented on American citizens.

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Right.

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It's not the first time, but in this case, I would

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I would say I just didn't think that they were capable

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to keep a secret this big, right?

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For this long.

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I did not think that they were capable.

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And, I would come to find out,

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it really was during the pandemic when I started diving down

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this rabbit hole and compulsively researching in my spare time.

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And then the more I found out, the more I wanted to learn.

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But the the the government has definitely not been honest on this,

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and they have kept this huge secret for a long time.

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And I was that that was shocking. Yeah.

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I think it was almost as shocking as finding out UFOs are real.

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Right.

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Because you're sort of forced to ask, well, what else are they hiding

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if they're hiding UFOs?

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I they could be hiding anything, right?

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Do you think this is one of the.

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If not, do you think this is the greatest discovery in the history of mankind?

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That UFOs are real?

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Yeah.

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The way it's being released is a slow release.

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Right? And so maybe that is part of the plan.

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You know, we don't we don't want it all

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just to come at us all at once because we probably couldn't handle it.

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Right. Absolutely.

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There's a Ran study that gets floated around, which basically

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one of the things that that that the government brand,

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who does a lot of research for the government,

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and gets commissions, had to do a lot of research for the government.

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And they had looked into this.

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What would happen if UFO disclosure happened?

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And one of the big dangers, which is pretty interesting

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because it did happen to me

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once I realized they were real, is it kind of threw me into a bit of a depression,

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because they were so

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far ahead when I first started to look into UFOs.

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I wanted to know how they flew, and I thought I could build something.

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I like building things, and I was like, if we could figure this out, I could build.

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Even if it's, you know, something that hovers on my desk, right?

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I could I could do it.

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Number one, I don't know that this is a technology

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that we can we're really capable of replicating, right?

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As a, as a species.

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The second thing that that really threw me on, finding out exactly what UFOs are

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is the amount of high strangeness and weirdness associated with them.

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And it made me think that the government really doesn't understand what this

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what this is.

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But with that said, the Rand study was was thinking that

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if a lot of our smartest people realized

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that there's no point to doing something like whatever it is

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that's in between us and anti-gravity, whatever that next step is for humanity.

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After the airplane, if you see somebody that's ten steps ahead,

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you go, what's the point in me trying to figure out,

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you know, spent 1.5, right?

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Right. It would kill innovation.

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So from what I read in that study, that was the number one concern, right?

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Was that was that productive any would be shot.

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Yeah. Right.

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But that's not a good reason to hold this back. Right.

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I really think that my suspicion is that it's

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more about control that the government, doesn't it?

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You know it because it's all the world governments.

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Sure. It's not just the United States. Right.

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And in fairness, many of the world governments

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have now come out and, made some of their UFO data public.

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So Russia

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publicized a bunch of theirs.

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The US has at least admitted it through and through.

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The 2019 New York Times article, wasn't There an officer from France that came out

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once? Yeah, France has divulged a bunch.

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The UK sort of, Chile

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as given a lot of information and video, you know, of UFOs objects.

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So this is a good segue into talking about the fact

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that we really need to focus on the the idea that UFOs are real.

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For the sake of this podcast.

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I don't want to go back in time and go back to 2019 for me

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and and have to do redo the research all over

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for people who still don't believe these objects are real.

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If you don't believe they're real, I would just say that the government

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said on the US government has said on four different occasions

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that these things are real, starting in 1952.

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So not long after, the Roswell incident

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and everything else, the UFO fever was happening in the 50s and

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UFOs visited the white House.

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What said UFOs visited the white House?

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I haven't heard a story in the 1950s.

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Yeah.

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And then somehow at that point, everyone in the 1950s,

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from what I'm reading in the research, didn't think that

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the government could stuff this, this, this news back into the box.

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And they did somehow.

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But one of the ways they did it was Colonel John Sanford.

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And you can see this on the 14 when website

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he just comes out and he says,

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UFOs are real, but we don't think they're a threat.

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And basically, the Air Force said that three more times prior to that.

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They've told the public on three different occasions

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for at least four different occasions that I'm aware of it.

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Hey, these things are real.

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So if you don't believe that they're real at this point, you're really you're only

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set out really the only way that you can not believe that these

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things are real anymore is by believing in a much bigger conspiracy, see?

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Right.

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Which is that they were able to not only keep this quiet,

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but they were also able to keep technology

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quiet and, and and create a charade that we would all buy into.

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Right, right.

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So from the 14 winds perspective

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and from this podcast perspective, we're not going to go down that road.

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Or what we're going to talk about is the fact that which was my personal

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UFO journey, was to first find out that UFOs were real

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and then to ask the pertinent questions

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of what are they?

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Where are they from?

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What do they want? Right?

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Are you're just kind of finding this out?

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Did you where were you on the UFO subject before all this?

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Before 14. When, you know, I think I was,

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pretty

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average, just kind of, you know, ups and downs.

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You kind of believe in it, and then you're naturally skeptical about it. And,

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but just like, going back to that, the Tic TAC video,

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that's the one that really opened my eyes because, I mean, you can hear that,

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you can hear the pilots celebrating, and you're you're chasing this thing.

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And it was, it was amazing.

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I mean, that's that's just one small part of it all.

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But, what makes you,

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why do you think that that came out the way it did?

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I mean, because they've been they really gave a lot of information.

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Yeah.

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And it's interesting what I find interesting.

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So there's a couple of key characters from the government side

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and that moment, which number one is, Lou Elizondo, who is a former

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intelligence analyst, and he was working on the government's UFO program,

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and he was the one

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who slipped the tape to Christopher Mellon.

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And Christopher Mellon comes from the Mellon family,

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you know, one of the richest families in the US and and is very well connected.

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And he's been in the intelligence world.

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He's a super well connected guy.

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So his involvement is interesting.

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You know, and he there are people billionaires too.

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Bob Bigelow is is a,

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billionaire who's into this?

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Brennan Fogel, who owns Skinwalker Ranch.

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Now, these are billionaires that are that are interested

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in the subject fund funds, some of the research around it.

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But I find that those two characters are

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did this very interesting because they're kind of saying

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that they did this because they believed it was the right thing to do.

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Right? And then move this subject forward, right.

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But at the same time, they're

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still working with the government in some capacity.

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So I can't imagine the government's

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too mad at them for being whistleblowers, which is a little weird.

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So I don't my belief

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is that what there's first of all, is that what they are saying is true.

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And that's the most important thing, right?

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For me and for other people to try to oh, guess what the government

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is thinking in terms of disclosure and how they want to roll this out.

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It seems like it's less productive than thinking about

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and trying to understand the phenomenon ourselves,

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because I as a as a follow on

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to the fact that the government's lied about this so much,

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why are we now all turning to the person that's been lying to us

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for the past 80 years, right, and saying, hey,

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what is this?

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Can you tell me more about it?

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And like, you've been lying to me for 80, right? Right.

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Why I I'm not going to expect honesty, but

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I appreciate this modicum of honesty

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because what it may allow us to do, what it's already allowed us to do,

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is to get some real research done on a subject.

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And this is the other reason I don't want to ever go backwards

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after this first episode and talk about whether UFOs are real or not,

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because the research has progressed.

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There are papers written

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on this subject about how to spot these things.

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There are papers about why they seem to be attracted to,

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nuclear sites, whether it's nuclear

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power plants or, nuclear weapons.

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And that's a whole field of research of, of, of UFOs hanging it around

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nuclear sites,

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even Chernobyl.

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Oh, I didn't there was an incident.

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There was an incident in Chernobyl where?

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And we'll talk about whether we think UFOs are

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good or bad for us a lot on this podcast.

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But that was Chernobyl incident,

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which is somewhat, I think, I believe it, I believe that it's true.

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There was a UFO spotted there that the,

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the site that people witnesses to it believed the Russian,

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engineers and plant workers believed was siphoning energy away from Chernobyl.

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What? And that it it would have been worse.

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So that's what it was operating.

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The UFO wasn't there.

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Oh, wow. So that's when it was operational.

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Was before the meltdown at Chernobyl. It was.

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It was when it melted down.

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Oh, wow.

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A UFO came and took off. No kidding.

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A chunk of the energy interest and I find that really interesting

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because I, I didn't find many instances

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of UFOs going out of their way to help people in any way.

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Right.

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But that's part of the purpose of this podcast is to go, let's,

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let's look at all of the events that we determined are true

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according to our veracity system, which is on the

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the 14 West 14 winds website in the about section we go through.

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How do we look at these cases to determine whether or not

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they really happened or not? Right, right.

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Some of the ways that are where there are multiple witnesses,

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is there physical evidence was anything reported to the police

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and the the beauty of coming into this subject

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when I, I am, which is very late,

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there's been, a plethora of amazing UFO researchers out there gathering

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data, every scrap of information, really hardcore accuracy driven

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investigators, the who who recorded all this,

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and I think that was part of what inspired me to get 14 winds

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and put sources on there, call attention to their work.

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What was that?

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I thought, there's really good evidence here.

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And then what's

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prevents us from talking about this in a real way

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is that we're still talking about whether it exists or not, right?

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Right.

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So and that's always been in favor

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of anyone trying to keep it hidden.

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And I would just point out that there's not just

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the government that's been keeping this hidden.

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And for from the Air Force's point of view,

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I can kind of see why they would keep this hidden.

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It's their job to protect our skies.

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If there's something up there

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that they can't protect us from, they don't want to talk about it.

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Sure.

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And there is, I will talk about this.

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I think this is a whole episode later on, but, there

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there is a in my mind, it's a 99% chance

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that the United States government is in possession of crafts and bodies.

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And I can go into some of the many pieces of evidence

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that would point to the fact that they have,

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UFO craft and bodies, but they do.

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And so

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they don't want to

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talk about that, because if there is advanced technology in there,

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other governments are going to say, this gives us you are

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way too big of a strategic advantage, and you need to share this with us.

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Yeah, right.

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It'd be like us finding the next nuclear bomb, right?

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Know or the next advancement to the nuclear bomb.

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Let's say you can't do that.

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You have to share this with us.

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So they don't want to talk about the fact that they have crafts and bodies.

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Right.

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And didn't you mention I remember you we talked about this before,

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that you said, you you believe that,

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this material evidence that they have, they basically really don't know

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what to do with it.

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I'm pretty sure based on what I actually

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I won't say pretty sure I'll give myself a 5050 on this one.

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And I should mention, I, I work as an analyst a lot, as part of my profession.

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So I tend to look at these things as probabilities,

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and I, I try to separate what's real information.

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And that we found on the 14 winds website from our analysis.

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And I'll,

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I'll try to do the same on the podcast, and I'll give myself a 5050 on this one.

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That I, I don't think that the government really

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has gotten far with reverse engineering these craft, because I don't think

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that there's something that we can really take advantage of.

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Right.

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Maybe we'll get into this much later time.

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But I, I tend to think that these whatever's driving these UFOs,

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I think it's multiple entities as a way beyond us in terms of capabilities.

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And that could mean experiencing time differently.

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Experiencing

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it seems to be able to materialize matter.

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The UFOs themselves are capable of trans medium travel, so they've been seen

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going through into a mountain.

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They've been clocked by, submarines

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going hypersonic speeds underwater.

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Underwater. That's that. Wow.

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I never heard of that.

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That's great. And still showing up on radar.

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So that's bizarre.

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Yeah, because if they're material enough to set off the radar, how are they

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moving through water at that speed? Right.

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So they they seem

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to move through different phases of matter,

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based on where they are.

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This isn't something that even even

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the G-forces in the Tic-Tac encounter,

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people have done a lot of math on how much,

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you know, pressure

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when when that thing took a hairpin turn.

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Right.

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And going thousands of miles an hour.

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Right.

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You'd have to you'd have to be made of titanium

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in order to be in that craft at that time, or maybe a gelatinous blob.

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Right. Or gelatinous blob.

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There's a pile of crap with legs down.

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So, yeah, it's it it's pretty wild,

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and I don't really know if we're going to be able

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to take advantage of it or not, but I, I am fascinated

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and I think that that was a big change for me.

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That was a big change for me in the research, which was that

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I went from trying to figure out how UFOs flew

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to just trying to understand what the heck they are, right?

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Or or just vaguely understand what they are

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and what really stood out to me as I got into

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the research more was how people were being affected.

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And I talk about this a lot on the website,

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some of the more popular articles, but they're people have been irradiated

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more than anything.

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People have been hurt.

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Right.

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And then I started to realize, oh, this is kind of serious,

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and we need we need to look into this more.

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We need to stop pretending like it doesn't exist. Right.

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So that's really interesting because there's like a public health concern too.

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And I know that could be like a whole series

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or at least an episode to talk about that too.

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Absolutely.

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A public health concern and a public mental health concern

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that is because,

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people there's an article on the 14 woods

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website called UFOs and Brain Damage Stranger Danger.

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It goes into a lot of what

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has been documented as far as people have gotten too close to these craft.

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And the one thing

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we know about these crafts is that they're a massive amount of energy.

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They're emitting a ton of energy,

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and the amount of energy that they're emitting is, similar

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or the effects of the energy would end up being similar to

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on a human being to standing too close to an electrical transformer.

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Okay.

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And if you stood too close

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to an electrical transformer, your outsides might look okay,

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but your insides would look like warm jello, right?

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Right.

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Irradiate you on

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a, on a low frequency level.

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What's interesting, even though it's very morbid, is

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by the types of energy that people are hit with,

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it might give you an indication of what energy

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the craft is emitting during flight, which may give you a clue, right?

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What its propulsion is. Right.

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So what it looked like to me was that

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every kind of electromagnetic energy was flying off this thing,

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everything from camera to microwaves, and everything in between.

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So it was very difficult

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to tell from, from this what that was.

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I think a lot of researchers

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just kind of wrap that up by saying, oh, it's anti-gravity.

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Anti-Gravity.

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And that's what that's what anti-gravity looks like.

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Sure, I don't know. Yeah.

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Well, I gotta say that, the amount of work

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that you've done on this, website is pretty awesome.

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And I look forward to I'm going to dive into it a lot more.

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And I have a lot to learn, but,

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you you've you've done your research, man.

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Thanks, man.

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I really hope people

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check out the website, get the information that they're looking for, because that's

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what I was looking for was a website that would separate the information

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from what someone thought about it, and not try to push their own narrative.

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Right.

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I've told you a little bit about what I think that I don't.

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Whatever these things are, they seem to present as something

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way more powerful than than us and not really human like,

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but there are other people out there with all sorts of other theories

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on what that is, and I try to separate all that.

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So I go, look,

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if you think that these are extraterrestrials from Mars, that's fine.

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But here's the information, right?

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You know, you can make that work with your theory however you want, right?

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Right.

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So please check out

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the website if you're not sure UFOs are real.

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But if you're gonna stick around with us, I think you have to be in the camp

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that UFOs have been proven through pretty much.

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Yeah, through multiple government disclosures,

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lots of sensor and instrumentation data,

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lots of credible witnesses.

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So time is going to move past that.

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Yeah.

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You're you're sort of new

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to finding out that the UFOs are indeed real.

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What was the burning question on your mind at this point?

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Oh, there's so much because I'm really interested

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in the Jersey devil research that you did.

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And you had you were talking about the Mothman.

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And was it the dog man to all these?

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Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of cryptids that get involved with UFOs.

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I love that tie in with it all, and I can't wait to learn more about that.

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Awesome.

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Well, I'm looking forward to diving into it with you.

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And if you,

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made it through the whole episode, thanks for sticking around with the staff.

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I think our first one,

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and we look forward to jumping into this more with you in the future.

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Right on. Let's do it.