Episode 3 - "Havana Syndrome and the UFO Problem"

We first encountered the connection between Havana Syndrome and UFOs when looking into the impact of UFO/UAP on people who have been in close proximity of the objects.  This lead to our first article on the subject "UFOs and Brain Damage Stranger Danger" which we wrote almost two years ago.  Since then, some new information has come to light, but no definitive source has been determined.  We discuss how incorporating new data from civilians might lead to new insights.

Transcript

Hello and welcome to episode
three of the Fortean Winds podcast. I'm your host, RamX, with my co-host
Bones. Today we're discussing Havana Syndrome. Havana syndrome is really a whole set
of symptoms, and they range from tinnitus to nausea to confusion to intense pressure
in the brain and difficulty thinking. The symptoms were first reported by U.S. embassy staff in Cuba,
and that's where it gets its name. But it's been investigated in India, China
and Europe as well. The most likely cause of Havana syndrome
given by the National Academies of Sciences
was a low frequency energy weapon, a sonic weapon such as microwave or radio
frequency emitter. The symptoms are consistent
with this finding. However, after examining
1000 cases of the syndrome, the intelligence community has ruled out
foreign involvement in 976 of them. A couple of years ago, we wrote an article
called UFOs and Brain Damage Stranger Danger, where we pointed out
notable scientists in have mentioned that Havana syndrome is identical to the
effects of UAP or UFOs on human beings. Join us as we discuss. Hey, everyone. Thanks for listening. This is Bones. I got to tell you,
this topic is a little creepy. This one. This one's really scary. I have to say, this might be
the scariest topic we looked into. And fortune winds in our involvement
with this topic goes back two years to our article UFOs
and Brain Damage Stranger Danger. And it was in that article
which we were just trying to better understand
the physical effects of UAP exposure. That's where I first heard Gary
Nolan mention that up to the facts
were similar to Havana syndrome effects. There was also an article
that mentioned Kit GREENE, who is a doctor and a scientist who's been studying
people who have been close to peace for a long time. And he said the same thing. So at least two and a half years ago,
people kind of knew that these things look like
UAP related phenomena, Right? And so, like in just the news,
if you're just listening to the news, you hear
these stories come up once in a while. The mainstream media does talk about it
off and on, and they really don't know how to interpret it other than just saying
what the government says, that they're suspicious
because it's from these diplomats. We're working in Cuba and some people
still see Cuba as an enemy and they think that maybe there's some kind of sabotage
going on, but it seems to be more to it. Yeah. In our follow up to this UFO and brain damage article, we've called
Havana Syndrome and the UFO Problem, and we've discussed how two years ago
we said this was one of three options. Either
this foreign actor was doing all of this or a uaps were doing all of this,
or some were being caused by a foreign actor
and some were being caused by a UAP. And the reason that we thought
some of them weren't being caused by a foreign actor because some of these targets
were clearly not sensitive in any way. Right. And there was cases of people
being affected on the state side, which the Jason Report and the Jason Group
that was commissioned to look in the Havana syndrome,
they weren't looking at domestic, you know, not civilian cases of Havana
syndrome, which there are the caretaker from Skinwalker
Ranch named Thomas Winterton. And he had a really drastic case of Havana
syndrome that caused a brain tumor. Wow. And he's been following this. Yeah,
very serious. He's been following this story very
closely. And he's mentioned it on Twitter. So where does you know, when it comes to the UAP interaction
with all this? How does it happen? What's the theory like? There's some type of just obviously
some type of concentration of of energy that is happening and these people
are getting exposed to it in both cases. But some of the best evidence
that we've ever seen, like in the case of it's called Cache
Landrum incident, and Gary Nolan, who as we mentioned, is a scientist
studying this, is mentioned. This Cat Landrum incident
is having the best physical evidence of of an alien abduction case, which
kind of proves that abductions exist too. So. Right. You get Havana syndrome and abductions
all at once where you find out these things really are
part of the UAP phenomenon. And we don't know if the cases
that the Jason Group looked at are directly UAP related or not. What we do know
is that the people were hit by what looks like a low frequency energy weapon or a low frequency wave, and that's the type of wave
that comes off of Uaps, among others. And it does also appear to be able
to be directed as a weapon. And in the case of Tom Winterton,
it looked like it was directed as a weapon
by the phenomenon or some form at sea. And see see, you know, when I picture
when I when I think about it, I think I think about a great supernova
of a a portal that opens up and someone is exposed to it somehow because there's
a massive amount of energy coming from it. And that's my surface level knowledge
and my I guess it's my vision of it all. But in cases where people have seen it,
that it did appear to be a giant, bright object. But I should also point out that these
objects tend to look like big glowing balls of light until they're close,
and then they they can look like a craft. So a big glowing ball of light around
these object may be the energy that's being emitted that's causing
Havana syndrome or other radiation. We don't really know or,
you know, maybe it materializes something that looks like a craft
or materializes even a hologram that around its sphere, like
we can't say for sure, but what we can say is that it looks like a big glowing
ball of light from far away. And then it looks like something more
material and craft, like when it's close. Okay. In the case of alien abductions, the catch Landrum
incident would be a very solid example. The other incident that I would point
to where someone saw the craft, I think, which is what you're saying, is
what does it look like when this happens. Yeah. And in the incidents
we know where people had a visual. It did look like a big glowing
ball of light. This happened in Rendlesham Forest,
really well documented UFO case where an American service personnel, they call it Britain's Roswell. okay. Yeah. Yeah. Lot of evidence that this happened. There's even audio recording
of the captain who was leading that the personnel who were looking into
the object at the time. You can hear what they say
when they encounter the object, you know, is a big
I think, triangular pyramidal shape, if memory serves,
and it was emitting light. So through the Air Force
service personnel who were close to that object were radiated
and one of them ended up having to go through a huge long process
to get the Air Force to admit that it was related to these to this object. So through. But the reason why that significant
is the Air Force eventually did,
and they paid for his medical treatment. But by doing so,
they also had to acknowledge and to some extent
that the incident happened. All right. So those are a couple of cases
where people have saw the object and were irradiated
in these cases of Havana syndrome. Obviously, no one's seeing the object. But I would also point out that if we're going to look at Skinwalker
Ranch, the caretaker that Thomas Winterton didn't see anything at the time,
that he he felt getting massive headaches, getting confusion, all of the same symptoms
of Vanish syndrome. He wasn't reporting seeing anything
at that time or close to a craft. And then 
there were two other people on that show, one of whom Travis Taylor
has been involved in the government's UFO studies, and he was hit with the onset
of Havana syndrome while on the show. And then when he went into a metal silo,
it stopped. wow. And that another naval service personnel
was on the show season three. And this guy also experienced
the onset of Havana syndrome. They took him into the metal silo. It stopped again. So they end up using this metal silo. It's what it's called a Faraday cage,
which is like a big blocker of electromagnetic energy and, you know, Right,
kind of a kind of a clean room. Strange. So in that case, they're they're saying
that they're constantly exposed to it. Or or are those waves coming and going? Well, I think even more strange,
they were targeted. It doesn't target everyone that goes there
and it doesn't target them all the time. Travis Taylor
has been on that ranch for four years now. And, you know, he's
he doesn't get targeted with Havana syndrome all the time. He has said
he's had some negative health effects. It took a while to get over. I don't know all the details on that,
but this guy is also studying UAP,
so I think he understands the danger. Wow. So I was correct. It is creepy. I mean, that's another level of creepy. I didn't know that. Yeah. And I think Skinwalker
Ranch is a controversial place. It's a controversial piece of evidence because the stuff that's happened
there is so wild and crazy. People like to dismiss it. But the scientists that have been there
and the case history now we've had 30 years of incidents
at Skinwalker Ranch that have been reported
by three different scientific teams. And what's happened at Skinwalker
Ranch looks very similar to what happened to John Cale and in 1966 and Point
Pleasant, which is why he wrote them off. And Prophecies. No. Okay. And the connection
between those two places is kind of what gave birth to Fortean when that was
what made UFOs make sense to us was was seeing that what was happening today
it's going to Walker Ranch was identical to what was happening in 1966
and the Mothman Prophecies. So we started paying very close attention
to both places and right. What brought us to John Cale? John Cale is of course the Fortean,
and that was his theories which kind of go this, this thing has been around
a long time and it's extremely powerful. I think those are the things we know
about, right? Well, that's wild that. And so, you know,
we were looking into this and we have to look we have to look into it knowing that, yes, humans can create this technology
and can create a weapon that can affect people in the same way. So that is definitely a thing. And a you mentioned the fact that
so you kind of have this give and take where you have authorities
or at least the U.S. authorities saying, you know,
this could be a weapon. We have diplomats that are coming up
with all these symptoms, but then you have this other side where,
you know, the parallel was with the ups. People with experiences
are having the same symptoms. They can you mentioned it. They can kind of use it
as a scapegoat now. So it's kind of a weird twist. So they can actually use the possibility
of apes radiating people as a scapegoat in a way as can
or any other government can. That's what we said two years ago was was we said this is important
because we look we look, we said there's this is going to fall
into one of three scenarios. Either it's all you apes, it's all for an actor,
or it's a combination of the two. But in the case of let's say
it was number two and this was all being caused
by a foreign actor or I think you bonds actually pulled out
that there has been cases of American citizens who've tried
to do this on other American citizens. Right. They have actually tried
to pull a microwave emitter. So, yeah, two bozos from General Electric
tried to create some kind of a weapon. Who knows what. But I think they were targeting 
minorities or something like that. It's horrible. It's terrible. And so that's an example, though,
of the fact that this weapon exists. So it does exist,
everything that we're talking about. And so when we say, look,
this might be UAP related because of what was happening at Skinwalker
Ranch, looks clearly UAP related. When we say it might be UAP related,
that's not a stretch. Right. And we're waiting. Like I said, we were waiting two years
and we said these were the three options two years ago, all UAP, all bad guys or a combination and now two years later,
you have this Jason group coming out and saying it's it's not
it doesn't look like a foreign actor. So your next logical suspect is either a couple of bozos from G.E. or UAP where we've seen these things
repeatedly happen. Right? Right. Yeah, that's that's
strange and creepy at the same time. It's strange and creepy. And I'm sticking with the creepy
theme. It's today's theme from You have been creepy about a lot of things today. Yeah. I find this extremely strange and creepy
because we also didn't see one of the things that I mentioned
there is there doesn't there's not a clear
pattern to the targets. okay. Which targets? The ones people
who are being affected by events just. yeah, right, right. So if we widen the net,
which is what we're suggesting, if we're going to suggest some solutions
out of this or some some ways forward from from our peanut gallery here, it's
the fact that you got to start looking at all
these cases as potentially victims of Havana syndrome, regardless
of whether they're diplomats or not. And then new patterns can emerge. And the pattern I think that I would be
most interested in looking at would be, is there a physiological connection
between these people? Do they share something in common
in their biology or physiology? That's, I think where
I would be looking more because how did it and why did it target them? Right. Right. Sure. Indistinct Yeah. In the case of Tom Winterton,
he felt like maybe he's made some peace with the phenomenon out there and maybe
he wasn't respectful enough at first. And then in the case of Travis Taylor,
when he was irradiated, he was looking into a piece on the ranch
that they were seeing unusual energy spikes. So he may have been getting very close
to the source of this thing when he was irradiated. So there's there's people
who are close to it. And if you're asking Walker Ranch,
you're close to it. Right. I would say, okay, Cuba's an island
nation. A lot of UAP are seen around island. Is there a connection there? Well,
I don't know. I mean, I'm not the one
looking at all the cases, but I can say that there have been Havana
syndrome cases in Europe. Right. So I don't know what
those percentages look like. I don't you know, we don't know. And but what we're suggesting
is that given the fact that there's no other suspects,
you might as well widen the net. You might as well look at everyone
and you might as well consider UAP a possibility and start
looking for a connection between victims. And not to oversimplify anything,
but it's just really strange. We're talking about radiation. And on this podcast,
when it comes to the Havana syndrome and you know, in previous episodes,
we also talk about how UAP are attracted to nuclear sites,
which obviously can contain radiation. Right. And you know,
what are what is radiation like? Everything is
everything is radiating something. Right. But sure, in the case of UAP, what we know
is that they're emitting a ton of energy. I know we've mentioned that before and
that's really one of the things we know. We like talking about things
that we know for sure about UAP. And that's something we know for sure
that they are emitting a ton of energy and unusual energy in that it's
giving off so many different ways. But these low frequency waves
that has been seen in people close,
that that is a direct connection there. And if they're if they're targeting
people, I just don't want to even so, this could cause a panic
if they're targeting people. And the strange thing is, is if we can't find a pattern of intent,
we now have something that is super powerful, can be invisible, can go
hypersonic speeds, might be able to materialize, matter and go through other dimensional portals. And we don't really know. And it just picks on people
every now and then right. But it puts a whole new angle on it
because, you know, if UAP are giving us all brain tumors,
then we're going to have a real issue. And at what point does the government
obligate it to really now
stop pretending like it doesn't exist? Right. And this is a horrible way
to come out with disclosure. If they had all these chances to say,
hey, we're here with something else and maybe we have an opportunity to communicate with it,
maybe people wouldn't be so upset. But if you come out and you say
UAP are real and they're irradiating some people, true, it's going to make
for a nasty form of disclosure. Good. And I don't know how they avoid that
at this point because they are admitting that UAP are real and society
is just taking a long time to get there. But it's getting there. Right. We pointed out
the numbers keep getting more and more on the side of people
who understand that these are real. The research dollars are there,
and the more evidence that comes out, the more and more people are taking it
seriously. Right. As UAP people understand, UAP
we talk about sometimes, is the government rolling this all out,
intentionally orchestrated? Are they really going to say,
yeah, hey, UAP exist? And by the way,
they're radiating people randomly? I don't think so. It doesn't be orchestrated. Probably me and some of the reasons
people think the government would orchestrate this conspiracy is because
they want to get money for space wars and they maintain control or maybe
some other larger, crazier conspiracies. But having a bunch of people
affected by Havana syndrome would not be the most expedient way
to do any of that. Right. This is
this is a real tricky issue for sure. I for one, if I was radiated,
I would definitely want the scenario where I'm looking at some type of super energy
portal, just so I have that as a reference, you know, And I can
of course have a better story to. Is that just a wake up with,
you know, Havana syndrome? I have a cool story to go along with. Absolutely. I mean, yeah, all of them sound terrifying, but at least
they could look cool while they did look like the goblins We just did. The goblins should show up
looking like goblins already. Right? Right. Making exciting. Do like something from Harry Potter. And that's good because, you know, people are always asking
Lou Elizondo has made the statement that it's a somber subject,
that uaps are a somber subject. Sure. That's how he feels about it. And I think this is what he's talking
about. People are constantly asking about, well,
why does he think it's so somber and what do they
what does he mean by somber? And maybe he means
that we're actually invaded already. Well, look at what we've already told you. We're saying
that these things are ultra powerful. I'm not sure we know for sure
they can be invisible like they're irradiating
at least some people. Some of these cases of Havana syndrome,
we can say for sure, are UAP related. So. Right. If you just take those three things,
it's a somber subject. It stops being about Chewbacca and R2-D2. All right. Yeah. I mean, you see you see people,
real people affected by. Absolutely. So that was episode three
and it was a little bit somber. Sorry about that. If you're interested in Havana syndrome
and the Uaps, we have an article on the website
called UFOs and Brain Damage, as well as another one called Havana Syndrome
and the UFO problem, you can check out. But next time, I think to take
a little break from the somber, how about we talk about some ghost hunters
that were actually the C word? charlatan, that's what I saw. so not so creepy. Not quite so creepy. You know, I think people will really get bent out of shape
because you know, this is these are famous ghost hunters that we definitely found were not being totally honest. The good stuff. All right. See you next time, Bones.
All right. Thanks for listening, everyone.