UFO Whistleblowers, NHI and our "David Grusch Crush"

We discuss the startling allegations made by former Intelligence Analyst David Grusch.  The confirmation of the Vatican's knowledge of an Italian recovered UAP during World War 2 and the confirmation the US has shot down UAP were of particular interest to the Fortean Winds research team.  Much of what we originally considered "somewhat confirmed" in our previous assessment of UFO research was corroborated by Mr. Grusch and that's a lot to process.

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in June of 2023 Former Intelligence 
 analyst and decorated soldier David 
 grush provided evidence of non-human 
 intelligence to Congress and appeared in 
 a television interview to summarize his 
 historic claims which included the 
 allegation that the United States is in 
 possession of non-human craft and bodies 
 the Inspector General has deemed David 
 crush's claims to be urgent and credible 
 join us as we 
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 discuss hey everyone welcome to 14 wins 
 uh this is episode 6 and we have a good 
 one I'm bones and of course we have R 
 Max here hey 
 everybody and what we're going to talk 
 about is the really um kind of amazing 
 news that came out and uh from David 
 grush yeah what a crazy week I mean this 
 has been the nuttiest week ever in 
 euphology maybe since UFOs visited the 
 White House yeah so this guy this guy is 
 David grush he's uh served 14 years in 
 the US Air Force is a decorated veteran 
 uh from the uh 
 Afghanistan uh conflict and uh you know 
 he's got 
 credentials uh he's he's under oath 
 speaking under oath which is a big deal 
 and um he's got uh the Inspector 
 General uh by his side yeah saying that 
 these claims are Urgent incredible we 
 did look briefly into his background I 
 think anyone can um his information is 
 out there he is who he says he he is he 
 worked where he said he is uh he's a 
 he's a real deal so either he went crazy 
 and decided to bring this information to 
 Congress and lie to them in which case 
 he can go to jail or he's telling the 
 truth I really don't see any other 
 option yeah it's hard to Fathom anyone 
 just coming out and risking themselves 
 like that uh for nothing right so what 
 did he say I mean we'll we'll briefly 
 Rec cap what he said if people haven't 
 watched that hourlong interview you can 
 see it on YouTube now um there was a 
 brief moment where it wasn't available 
 live but I think it's it's all on 
 YouTube now news nation is had covered 
 the interview and what he said during 
 that interview was there was a few 
 things that were pretty shocking um to 
 me some of it confirmed what was on 14 
 WIS 
 website which I felt like was validating 
 but I can't say we feel good about 
 having any of this stuff get confirmed 
 right um one of the things that I think 
 he said that was a little surprising was 
 that the Vatican knew about 
 this very strange and that goes way back 
 too which is even stranger like back to 
 melini right so that was World War II 
 and apparently the Vatican told the US 
 where they could find the UAP U during 
 the war 
 and they they extracted it so that's 80 
 almost that's actually 90 years they've 
 had these objects how how long back does 
 the LIE go yeah no kidding and I think 
 that's an important point because when 
 we talk about and we're going to talk 
 about this in the next episode of what 
 what disclosure might mean and one of 
 the things it's going to mean is 
 re-examining history because everyone 
 knew the Naz knew musolini knew the US 
 knew how did that affect history how how 
 did that affect some of the things that 
 played out and and the thing is we've 
 come up with all of these reasons why 
 things happened in World War II in our 
 history in our books we've had 
 psychologists they never consider this 
 information right yeah and it's yeah 
 this is a pretty big bullet point when 
 it comes to the history of the world I 
 mean so so all all the nation's leading 
 Powers knew about this for a long time 
 and it probably affected a lot of 
 decision- making through the decades 
 right so that that's one area that we're 
 going to have to go back and and take a 
 good hard look at um post disclosure is 
 oh all of history you know yeah 
 right um he also confirmed that ET is 
 only one possible 
 option and he even brought up 
 interdimensional which is a big focus of 
 our work on at for 141 wins yeah amazing 
 it is amazing and it's not exactly this 
 is one of those pieces where I'm like 
 this is not exactly good news I I wanted 
 these things to be ETS too yeah right 
 yeah it's it's hard to 
 absorb yeah interdimensional is 
 something that it's just going to take 
 us a little while to get used to I think 
 but I I we talk about this on the 
 website it could be some sort of 
 combination of ET and interdimensional 
 or even human who then left and now is 
 able to travel through Dimensions so 
 this point of origin and and and and 
 this discussion sort of becomes endless 
 and I like the way that the government 
 actually seems to be classifying these 
 things as 
 nhi which stands for non-human 
 intelligence okay right and that's great 
 so please take note journalists stop 
 asking about extraterrestrial 
 B it makes it very easy for the 
 government to deny or avoid everything 
 you're saying because David grush just 
 told you as we have told you many 
 times there's no guarantee these things 
 are ET so stop asking about 
 ETS and some of the reporters have 
 caught on and I think that's been an 
 interesting development since grush has 
 spoken and just in this last week 
 There's a reporter who asked hey is are 
 we alone 
 or gush's claim is credible more or less 
 you know through that to the White House 
 Press Secretary and she's instead of 
 doing the usual giggle in like I like 
 movies about 
 aliens she said I think the right thing 
 this time which is I would refer you to 
 the Department of Defense 
 that's a big step I think it's important 
 for me this is a good good segue for me 
 to bring up schopenhauer who is a 
 philosopher and he said all truth has 
 three stages which is the first stage is 
 ridicule that's ridiculous UFOs are 
 silly the second stage is to attack 
 it that's totally rid your pseudo 
 science this is all of those people are 
 lying they're all a bunch of dumb 
 rednecks then you attack it and then you 
 realize that didn't work so it's 
 accepted as 
 inevitable that's the third phase right 
 and that third phase is going to be 
 people going of course UFOs are real we 
 always knew they were real right of 
 course we were just putting it to the 
 scientific method oh really it took you 
 90 years right and a hell of a lot of 
 effort to keep keep it keep it under 
 wraps yeah well and it's not just the 
 government on this one man it's it's 
 it's Academia all of it yeah journalists 
 all of it and we in the public can't 
 exonerate ourselves because we have just 
 allowed it to happen right so if we want 
 if we want change we're going to have to 
 demand it and we also I think need to 
 look at how do we fix 
 this yeah I mean it's it's definitely 
 it's entering a new phase I mean for the 
 past 80 years 90 years we you know we've 
 kind of been consuming most of it 
 through pop culture right right and so 
 now now with this this whole nonhuman 
 intelligence uh view on it I mean it's 
 it's a whole different I mean use your 
 imagination because it's uh it opens up 
 the door to so much more than just green 
 aliens you know coming out of a saucer 
 yeah we're living in a reality that we 
 just haven't been exposed to but we live 
 in it 
 regardless so would you rather take the 
 red pill or the blue pill you know right 
 I I think if you're asking me I'm always 
 going to drink the entire bottle of red 
 pills obviously that's why we have this 
 website but uh you know everyone's got 
 to take make up their own mind and just 
 even as I was on my way to this podcast 
 I had a neighbor ask me about this 
 subject and I started to tell him about 
 it and I saw the fear in his eyes right 
 because he brought up 
 grush and I said look I don't I have a 
 whole website about this you can go rate 
 about it if you want but I don't want to 
 be the one telling people that this is 
 real right but we've always at 14 wins 
 been working under the the impression 
 and and I have this impression about 
 every analysis that I do whether it's 
 right or wrong is that there one set of 
 data out there there's one set of 
 evidence and I even if I'm looking at 
 something nebulous in the business or 
 technology world I always go there's 
 there's one there's one set of answers 
 there's one set of data and and the 
 conclusions if we apply ra rationality 
 and logic to them will always end up 
 being the 
 same 
 so applying that to this and 14 wins was 
 the result 
 right so it's there it's a resource if 
 you're wondering about this if you're 
 wondering I mean we seem to have gotten 
 most of it right and there was a few 
 shocks in what grush was saying I think 
 one of the things that kind of surprised 
 me was um that they had shot down 
 UAP yeah that's right so he actually 
 claim that uh he knows that the uaps 
 were actually shot down was he referring 
 to to the ones from 80 years ago the 
 ones we got from the Vatican or no I 
 think he was referring to something more 
 recently more recent okay and I'll bring 
 this up because we've talked about it on 
 the podcast before about the the the UFO 
 balloon debacle I think it was in 
 February so there's been a lot of talk 
 uh since then and W at least one of 
 those 
 objects was likely a UAP right sounds 
 like and then I I thought about it 
 afterwards and I this is one of those 
 moments where I had to kind of kick 
 myself for being stupid because why did 
 they show video of the first object and 
 not the other three right 
 exactly it kind of gave away their whole 
 like it was a bad move on their part and 
 and I just you know sloughed it off 
 because they give they put up the ston 
 wall on the other three objects and you 
 go well there's no way we're going to 
 ever know but the truth leaks out and 
 then like the leaks are this if the dam 
 isn't broken there's so many leaks at 
 this point I do not think it can be 
 repaired they need to and I'm sure this 
 is being prepared somewhere is uh some 
 form of disclosure 
 statement 
 right yeah but by I mean by 
 who good question I think that has to 
 come from the president so they're going 
 to have to read him in first they're 
 going to have to prepare a whole 
 statement and by bid's aware of of all 
 of this right they asked him before and 
 he said to ask Obama because he doesn't 
 want to be the one to say UFOs aren't 
 real and he'll lose the next election 
 right right you go around lying to 
 people's face you will lose right um so 
 he doesn't want to be the one to do that 
 and I'm not picking on Biden he's just 
 in the chair right now right right and 
 that really ties into another thing 
 grush was talking about uh basically 
 wondering if there was a treaty in place 
 yeah that's really interesting uh there 
 have been rumors for a long time that 
 there are treaties in place supposedly 
 UFOs have landed there's been rumors 
 that they landed at Nellis there's been 
 rumors that they landed at Hollman Air 
 Force Base and met with people and then 
 there's rumors about what came out of 
 that meeting I think the most disturbing 
 of those rumors is that there was some 
 sort of agreement that would allow 
 abductions to happen that would be weird 
 that would be really bad yeah I really 
 hope that's not what grush was talking 
 about yeah you know my my biggest fear 
 with all this is that you know the way 
 this is coming out it's it almost sounds 
 like it's it's just um you know all the 
 major nations in the world know that 
 these uaps are real a lot of them 
 probably have physical evidence of these 
 uaps and it's now just a global race to 
 reverse engineer it to to rule the world 
 you know that's my that's my biggest 
 fear yeah we don't talk about that much 
 but um as far as reverse engineering 
 goes like let's just say a bad actor did 
 reverse engineer this 
 technology that you know there was this 
 is a 
 great opportunity to talk about Nazis in 
 World War II because they were all over 
 this side subject and I have just been 
 discovering new things uh about what 
 Nazis were doing with UFOs and and the 
 Occult there's some weird relationship 
 between UFOs and the Occult and 
 Consciousness and all this sort of stuff 
 so uh they were they were deep deep deep 
 into this and they even thought these 
 UAP came from the inner 
 earth oh that's 
 crazy uh that's a that's a theory that 
 keeps popping up and you know we could 
 be looking at a mix of phenomena where 
 the maybe they're in in Earth but 
 they're also interdimensional and they 
 came from another planet again it gets 
 weird so let's just call them 
 nhi NH sounds good yeah so 
 uh additionally many of those Nazi 
 scientists came here to the United 
 States following the war and there's a 
 lot of of Operation Paperclip is the 
 name of one of those projects that 
 basically took care of Nazi scientists 
 in order to get the information that 
 they had who knows what was in that yeah 
 no kidding so there's another moral and 
 ethical trap that UAP brought us into in 
 this debacle getting but we were all we 
 already knew that we just thought it was 
 all about 
 Rockets right 
 right so the the news really is that 
 there's more to come right so Congress 
 is going to have public hearings on this 
 um course you know you got to take those 
 public hearings with a grain of salt 
 because you know they're politicians and 
 they're a lot of it's performative but 
 um but the the biggest point is these 
 these guys are going to be under oath 
 speaking to the 
 public right so Rush is not the first 
 whistleblower l alzando 
 was one of the first and he went to 
 congress with his 
 claims um and I think Chris melon could 
 also be considered a whistleblow and 
 there's other whistleblowers names who 
 aren't in the in the public yet and I'm 
 not going to put them out but grush 
 isn't the only one so how Congress goes 
 about this I think will be determined at 
 least in part by how we go about 
 pressuring them right the best thing you 
 can do right now in the public is to 
 write an email to your congressional 
 representative and that is how the 
 system is designed to work if you're in 
 their District you just want to say I am 
 in your district and I would like an 
 answer to this you don't have to say 
 anything else you don't have to say I'm 
 interested in UFOs you have to say these 
 claims are disturbing it the lack of 
 transpar government 
 transparency if nothing else should 
 really disturb 
 you yeah don't don't you know don't add 
 any uh political point of view just just 
 straight that say why isn't this being 
 disclosed this isn't right this is a bad 
 use of my taxpayer money and if you want 
 my vote clean it up right right so if we 
 get enough people to write into their 
 representatives we just make some noise 
 we we help this along 
 definitely but I think either way as 
 we've talked about we have noticed the 
 frequency of the events happening in is 
 increasing we've noticed the frequency 
 of crypted events happening is 
 increasing I think if you're watching 
 this in the news you're noticing a large 
 amount of news events start to increase 
 and this is this is pretty 
 anxiety-provoking for people this is one 
 of those points where I'm really glad we 
 have had almost three years to 
 assimilate this this idea right 
 definitely I mean we've been thinking 
 about this for a while if if it starts 
 just to hit people that really haven't 
 put much thought into it psychologically 
 you know you're going to be going 
 through some things yeah we put together 
 a whole 
 website uh please check it out and you 
 know reach out uh reach out to to 
 friends reach out to family try to find 
 someone who who's interested in the 
 subject that you can talk to people are 
 going to try to avoid this so uh we 
 we've experienced that we we watch 
 people avoid our website and 
 so so that's great um I've often I've 
 always thought I'm like man especially 
 like when we when we cover the Warren 
 and The Conjuring I thought oh wow if we 
 just told a scary story and made it 
 sound like the Warren were telling the 
 truth we could get 500,000 people 
 watching our listening to our podcast 
 you know tell people they were full of 
 crap we're going to get like maybe a you 
 know right 
 right so the real information isn't as 
 sexy as you know horor but hey if you're 
 if it helps it helps me to understand 
 this phenomenon better and uh it helps 
 bones to understand this phenomenon 
 better we we would just prefer to 
 intellectualize it a little bit to know 
 it if it helps you to deal with this 
 phenomenon I would just say I am a firm 
 believer just as Charles Fort was 100 
 years ago that this phenomenon is 
 discoverable this is something we can 
 understand through 
 science we just stop avoiding 
 it definitely and and we have to stop 
 all the uh the bad things uh I guess we 
 just have to kind of look at this with a 
 clean slate more than anything I mean 
 it's we the history is good but this 
 stuff you know it it's it's it's 
 different the non-human intelligence 
 category is uh a little freakish but uh 
 it's it's happening and we we're here to 
 to experience it that's right maybe we 
 should be grateful that it happens in 
 our life yeah right there you go well uh 
 we'll talk a little bit about what all 
 that means on the next episode yeah and 
 you know when we talk about the uh the 
 media I want to give a shout out to the 
 guardian because when it comes to u a 
 lot of like major news outlets the 
 guardian doesn't seem to be afraid to to 
 report on on what's going on um and I've 
 just I've been really enjoying what 
 they've been publishing about it yeah 
 great point I think we should look at 
 all of the people that are giving us 
 information right now and all of the 
 people who gave us information before 
 and say are these people accurate or not 
 because in the future we don't want to 
 be listening to inaccurate sources and 
 we should really look at how we were 
 deceived like like this and go find 
 people who were giving us good 
 information and go get more of it those 
 people who were lying to us this whole 
 time remember what I said about 
 schopenhauer saying first the truth is 
 perceived as ridiculous then it's 
 attacked and then it's it's seen as 
 inevitable watch all of these people who 
 are telling you that UFOs don't exist 
 suddenly want to become UFO experts in 
 the next few months yep when that worm 
 turns suddenly they're going to want to 
 go let me tell you all about what UFOs 
 are you should not listen to them okay 
 we're we're not going to tell you you 
 have to listen to us but please don't 
 listen to people that have been lying to 
 you this whole time exactly let's all 
 learn learn a little bit and move 
 on well that pretty much wraps up the 
 episode um the next episode's going to 
 be good just as good um we're just going 
 to talk about uh you know uh how the 
 world's going to react to all this new 
 information and um just how how it's 
 going to affect us as humans uh it's 
 going to be good we have a lot to 
 explore that's right that's the way we 
 should look at it we should look at this 
 as as Discovery definitely all right 
 well thanks for listening everyone we'll 
 uh catch you on the next episode all 
 right be well bones all right you too 
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