An NFL Players Story and Transition to a Health Coach: Robert Johnson's Story EP 19

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Have you ever wondered what it takes to rise from a small-town athlete to the pinnacle of one of the most physically demanding sports in the world? This episode unravels the inspiring tale of former NFL player Robert Johnson, who defied all odds and conquered the world of American football, only to have his journey interrupted by an injury. Robert takes us through his humble beginnings in Texas, the influential role of his father, and the unity that sports brought to his town. He also opens up about his emotional struggles during his NFL journey, and the significant relationships that shaped his career.

This episode is not just about football. We shift gears and plunge into a deep and motivating conversation about lifestyle changes, nutrition, and weight loss. Robert shares valuable insights on breaking free from toxicity, adopting the right nutrition, and maintaining positivity for a healthier lifestyle. And if you have ever wondered about the controversial world of steroids in bodybuilding, we tackle that too! Robert openly discusses the dangers and the aspect of personal integrity associated with steroid use.

In a surprising twist, we also get a glimpse of the post-production world of podcasting. Robert walks us through the steps needed to upload a podcast episode to Riverside Dot FM. This episode is a blend of inspiring life stories, practical advice, and a peek into the world of podcasting. From overcoming challenges to fostering positivity and integrity, we cover it all. Tune in for a truly compelling discussion with Robert Johnson.

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Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

What's up everybody, Welcome to the Journey to Win. Today I got my friend Robert Johnson, former NFL football player and just a beast of a man, I can tell you. You know this guy. He's in his 60s and he's more shredded than most 18, 19, 20, 30 year olds out there. I mean, it's incredible, Robert. So welcome to the broadcast brother.

Speaker 2: 0:23

Thank you, sir. I appreciate you having me on today, looking forward to sharing some good information, some positive stuff, and hopefully we can lead people in the right direction, you know.

Speaker 1: 0:32

Yeah, we absolutely will, man. So tell me this, robert. So let's go dive right into it. So where'd you grow up? How did you get into football? Let's start with there first.

Speaker 2: 0:43

Okay, I grew up in a little small town just south of Houston called Wharton, population 5,000. You asked how did I get into football, man? It's one of those things where if you didn't play sports in the country, then people had an issue with you. So everybody got involved. It was a way to where we can all come together as a four unit on both sides of the track. And I literally can say that because when I grew up, I grew up in an area to where blacks are on one side, whites on the other side, and there was no colored signs. There was all kinds of stuff where I grew up and the only thing that kept us all united as family with both sides was sports, and anytime you were in sports you had an opportunity to meet everyone. Of course, you hung out with each other in school, but after school, you know, in sports I use up back on your side of the world. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:39

So, it's been a it's. It was a good way to grow up. I learned a lot. I was able to adjust with all types of different situations due to the way I grew up, and now I grew up with love. My parents was just straight across. There was no issues. We got along with everyone, and so I realized that that was a way that.

Speaker 1: 2:00

I wanted to carry myself and I just knew that where I was.

Speaker 2: 2:04

It was not a place where I wanted to like live my life.

Speaker 1: 2:06

So that's awesome, so so we'll dive into that a little bit longer, because I never knew that about you actually. So so, but I want to ask a question real quick. So okay, you, you're in a, you're from a small town right In Texas. You grew up, and when did you start believing playing football, that you actually had a chance to go play at the next level in college, and then when did you believe that you had the, you know, that you could go play at the NFL level?

Speaker 2: 2:33

Well, my junior year in high school because my my freshman year and my sophomore year I was I'm a baseball man. I love baseball. I was able to get to the semifinals of the World Series back in 1969. So I was part of all of that and baseball was my love.

Speaker 2: 2:55

My dad played semi pro baseball, but he also was an all American in track back then. He also was in football. He really loved football. So he was always telling me how important it was like you want to make sure you find something that's going to allow you to get out of work, and he felt like one of those sports was going to take me there. And he was just my dad was my mentor on that side of the sport world Like you could do it. He was get off the work, he'd come practice with me. He did all of the things necessary to make me feel like I was. I could go farther.

Speaker 2: 3:26

You know what I mean and as a kid we all grow up if you grew up in sports of thinking how can I be a part of it, you know how can I go do the stuff that you see on TV, and so I got really motivated once I became a blue chip at my junior year.

Speaker 2: 3:42

And next thing, I know I was in the Texas Starbook and I just felt like, oh my God, I got a chance to actually go. But I'll share something else with you real quick is that my senior year I was draft about a Cincinnati Reds to play baseball. I was a pitcher. But you know, back then, man, you know it's triple A double, a three LA and you just never know how far you're going to go. And my dad says, no, don't take that chance, get your education, go see what happened in football. And then that's when I really focus more on where I want to take my journey. And next thing, I know, through faith, time and effort, I was standing there looking at myself on TV, man, so are you glad you went the football route, not the baseball route?

Speaker 1: 4:25

like looking back.

Speaker 2: 4:28

No, I'm not, If I look back at that, because so here's the deal, man, with baseball, you know, you can just stand in the field for 10 years and never get hit. Nothing ever happened. And you might. You know they. Of course they make all that money, but your longevity seems so much greater, right. And in football, man, you got four or five years, unless you're a superstar and they pay you a lot of money and they need to get paid back. You can be off like that and then life is over. Then you go, what do I do now? Right, and I'm one of those people. I'm one of those ones who got there and for five years thinking, oh man, life is gonna be good, and then compound fracture into my career, and that was it Next thing. I know I was, you know I was a cop. Wow, I became a cop after that.

Speaker 1: 5:13

Yeah, so you know hindsight's 20-20, right, but I'm curious you know, okay, what? What college did you go to? And so tell us about that. And then now these college kids are making bank dude Like they got this you know the NIL name, image and likeness.

Speaker 2: 5:29

Name recognition, all that.

Speaker 1: 5:30

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 5:31

It's amazing, bro. I went to the University of Texas, arlington. I graduated in 1993, in 83, 1983, with a nutrition degree. And once I got my degree I was kind of excited that I also had an opportunity, because the Broncos was coming to my games, the Cowboys was coming to my game, and so I just felt like, okay, I do have a chance because people are actually coming to talk to me after games. And that took place once again in my junior years when things really took off. We won our conference two years in a row while I was there.

Speaker 2: 6:05

I became an All-American while I was there, and so they started looking at you a little bit different. And next thing I know I was going to dinner with people that I had no clue who I was with, but they was important. I was receiving gifts through the, you know, through mail and different things like that. So as a young kid man who grew up in a country and didn't know what was next, every day you didn't know what was next. You get an opportunity like that, you're like, wow, man. Affirmation is real big when people start telling you, hey, you're doing really well in this and you can go here, you can do that. That kind of motivates you even more to focus on it Right.

Speaker 2: 6:42

And so once I did that, I went off and I came up and I went there in 1983. I was the last person to get cut. They cut me right and I was like, oh my God, what am I going to do? And then so my agent said we're going to go to the USF family because Denver Gold had our rights. Well, I went home for two weeks, broncos called me back and so that emotional high up and down, up and down as a 19, 21 year old kid, you're like going. You know it's very like. It gets you going and gets you kind of wondering, man, what's happening in this world? Like, why am I getting caught back? My feelings were so hurt, I cried every day, bro. And so with that calling me back, and you get there and you plan you're doing good, but you're not the same person anymore. You know what I mean it's like.

Speaker 2: 7:31

And the NFL stands for not for long, as we all know, because the bottom line is that, man, you could beat that for one weekend. You go back on a Sunday and come in Monday, your stuff is packed, the contracts mean nothing, they're all negotiable and have all the ins and outs to get rid of you at any time. But I was blessed. I got in the specialty teams. I hid on the specialty teams. I was not a superstar, but I got a chance to enjoy the life and I did a lot of Broncos.

Speaker 2: 7:59

I went back to the USFL league so I felt like sometimes I was in a washing machine but I was doing what I loved, and so the money was so much different. I signed. I went in the seventh round and I signed for $20,000, right, I signed for $20,000. And that was just my signing bonus, and then, of course, they paid me 150. At that time, of course, john Helwin and I went into the league at the same time. He wasn't even making a million dollars when he first won. Wow yeah. And then so things start to change and money started going. They realized who John was and of course, everything flew through the roof for him. But people like myself was just hanging on the coattails and was trying to stay there because it was my passion.

Speaker 1: 8:44

So when you finally met your mentors because I mean, I don't know if they were your mentors, but you watched these companies on TV you finally get a chance to meet them in the locker room. What was it like?

Speaker 2: 9:01

You know mentors, man, it's so funny you mentioned that because my dad was always my push. You know what I mean. He was the guy who I didn't want to let down. He was the guy who I report to like he was my coach. But I had an opportunity to be with a lot of people that I respected. That you kind of just beer. You like their company, you feel that energy and you know that they're positive, they're not negative people, right. And so I had a chance to hang out with Tom Jackson, louis Wright, rick Upchurch, gerald Wille Hyde, rick Peros, all those guys. You know it was like you and I, man, we see each other. We hadn't seen each other in two months. We could see each other again. It's like, hey, man, how you doing.

Speaker 2: 9:38

And that relationship within that lifestyle back then because it wasn't many divas in the sport, money made a bunch of divas in the sport that everybody had a relationship and you know teams back then you didn't split up after four years. Everybody stayed. That's how they come up with the orange crush and the purple you know monster, with the Vikings and all of that stuff. So everybody stayed together. Now, after four years, everybody's looking for more money and they're getting out and with that name recognition stuff, two things with that.

Speaker 2: 10:09

I believe that the kids who were getting their jerseys purchased and they're making all that money from them, those guys should get a little bit of something. I always felt that way. But I can't say a kid who, just because my dad played in the pros and they know who you are, that they offered you a million dollars to come to that college Not that that makes sense to me, just doesn't. It seems so unfair to the kids who didn't have it and they're the starters and they're the ones who plan their butts off to make things happen. So it's a little bit of pro and contor at all. I think it's going to really weaken the divisions in the teams and college because people are just going to go where the money is and not stay within their boundaries.

Speaker 1: 10:49

For sure, yeah, I mean naturally right, I mean because you even said it, and to me I mean I agree with you. But I can also understand where they're coming from too, because I'm like OK, the NFL, right, like you just said it. Whatever you said doesn't last long right? No, what's it stand for again?

Speaker 2: 11:09

Not for long.

Speaker 1: 11:10

Not for long, yeah, not for long, so like if you can go into college over a four year period and make a few million dollars. It's kind of hard. Especially, you got to think, like some people coming from where we grew up right, like you grew up in a small town, I had one stoplight in my whole town. Right, I never used to go out to eat like stuff like that. We weren't poor but we didn't have a lot of money, and so I could see them dangling that carrot and being like, hey, why not make my money now and really capitalize on this? And if I get to go to the pros, great, but at least I'm established. You know what I mean, right?

Speaker 2: 11:46

No, I agree.

Speaker 1: 11:47

I understand your point though.

Speaker 2: 11:48

Yeah, no, and that's always like I said. It's a pro and con to it all, because if you came up with a little bit of money and no money, but yet you can start making money, no one's going to say no to that. Look at Reggie Bush. Yeah, they thought his family got some donations or something like that. He's an 18 year old kid and he's been punished because his parents got the money. He didn't get it, the parents got it, and so that's kind of like the whole conflict. That's how.

Speaker 1: 12:17

As long as and we'll move on, but as long as it does it, because you know how it is. People start to make money, they get comfortable, they get like I've made it their ego, they start to buy into their own press. Then they're too big to do the small things that got them there, and so that is the cascade that they have to watch out for and the coaches have to watch out for and really put them back in place. That's the importance of having a good coach. Everybody needs your dad out there, man, to put a big check.

Speaker 2: 12:46

Yeah, yeah, yeah, man, it's the world of sports have created a lot of money. Hungry people, you know what I mean? I mean it's a job. You don't know how long you're going to be there, so they won't pay money right now. But they also have a tendency to pull people away from their education. Yeah, because when that's over, they're like OK, what am I going to do now? Drive new PS, do something like that? Icky Woods, all those guys like that who just didn't get their education. So it's a decision you have to make at a young age.

Speaker 1: 13:23

Yeah, so you know, robert, one of the pillars of the journey to win is faith, family, fitness, finance, future, self and fun. It's like making sure you're hitting all the six pillars in your life, which I think you do a great job of. By the way. I mean nobody's ever going to be perfect. I mean there's always ups and downs. I think that's a part of winning in life. It's like you're going to have setbacks in your nutrition and then you're going to setbacks in your family or whatever. There's always challenges. But talking about finances, I mean these NFL athletes and NBA athletes. I read a statistic four out of 10 people I love them paycheck to paycheck because they make a lot of money. They spend a lot of money. Don't even give these guys I mean I don't know what they give, but I'm assuming they don't give them a lot of financial education.

Speaker 2: 14:08

Yeah, they set it up for you to receive it, but they don't go and get it. You know what I mean. There's a lot of money snatchers out there. As soon as they hear about who you are, if it ain't family coming at you, it's the people who are sitting in the hotels and pulling you over to the side and promising you these big investments and then just take you on your drive.

Speaker 1: 14:25

Man, that's pretty much how it happens. Crazy, crazy man. So let's talk about real quick the racism part of how you grew up, just because the current you know, and if it's not something you don't want to talk about?

Speaker 2: 14:38

No, no, I'm open, I'm open.

Speaker 1: 14:41

You know, I just I know, obviously there's racism, of course, I think, and you grew up in that era, for you know majorly, you know how old were you, like what year, when you were a five year old. What year was that?

Speaker 2: 14:58

Okay, so I was five years, 1966.

Speaker 1: 15:01

Oh yeah.

Speaker 2: 15:02

For sure. I was 1966, but I'll give you a true story here. I was eight years old and I was on an All Star baseball team for the Little Pee Wee League. We won a game. They took us to Dairy Queen and they would not allow me in at eight years old. So the coach got all of our food and let us sit outside in the back of the truck. You know how you kids all riding back in the truck back then we all had lunch outside and it was all because of me, like not you know, not because of me, but that was a reasoning that they said that he knows what. He can't come in here.

Speaker 2: 15:41

And I was eight years old when that took place and I remember that like that was yesterday. It would never go away in my head. Sometimes I cry about it, sometimes I get angry about it still to this day, especially when I see something on TV that's so close to that situation and my emotions go back there and as an adult I understand how to filter it a little bit and try to figure out. You know why they did that back then. Was it co-hearced, was that the rules or whatever the case may be, but it was like that when I was eight years old and that's what I was saying in the beginning is that if you wasn't in a sport, you go back across the side of where you're supposed to be and then, as long as you're going to school, that's cool. After that, you got to go back. Did you get a lot of?

Speaker 1: 16:25

issues in school.

Speaker 2: 16:29

No, because it was just elderly people around that wanted things to stay as they were. I mean, when you play sports with people, you're on football field, you don't even think about none of that stuff, right, and you become friends with these people, but then they have to almost hide it. You know what I mean? It was not like you was going oh, I'm going over to Ken's house and hanging out with him and Brandon, I couldn't do that. That's nothing to happen.

Speaker 1: 16:55

So what's your advice? Because clearly I've known you for a couple of years now.

Speaker 2: 16:59

And.

Speaker 1: 17:00

I've never hinted an even small piece of energy from you that you're bitter about it, or you might remember and you might, you know like there might be still some issues that you got to work through with it, because naturally that's trauma, but there's never been any issues. So what advice do you have for some of these youngins or even older people who might still be struggling with that man?

Speaker 2: 17:27

I would tell them to. It's okay to look at history, but at some point history changes on all levels and then it takes us to make that change and if we continue to live like things were in the past, you can't expect anything positive. So in order for positive change, we have to go. I have a choice I can live like I used to live or I can move on from that and then go be with the people who want to excel you. You don't have to live around all of that.

Speaker 2: 17:55

You know old school stuff, the people who continue to carry that anger in general I think it's because they never left the area. You know what I mean and I was blessed to be able to leave the area and go off to college and hang out with of all diversity of people and you learn to live that way. But the first thing is that I grew up with love in my house so we wasn't sitting around talking about can't believe that white person is there. That was never in my life. And so once I was able to get away from it to what it was attacking me and I went to a place where it wasn't attacking me, then I realized that you know, that's how you move on, but we all have choices.

Speaker 2: 18:33

You know, I just never carried it past my young age because I realized that I had so many people start to change towards me as I became that athlete. You know what I mean, and everybody want to be a friend and inviting you over, or Robert, or Robert. You know what I mean. So I was able to see that some of this stuff is staged out in public, but then when you're behind closed doors it's like none of us going on right, and so just adjustments. So to answer your questions about what you stated, is that I believe that we have a choice and I believe that we can all move forward if we want to move forward, or we can live back in the day and just be angry all the time. So it's just. It's just a matter of mindset and change.

Speaker 1: 19:19

It's great advice, man. You know, one thing I've seen is is, when you're looking at a lot of issues in America, a lot of it's fatherless. This like my mother and dad. Father got divorced in 12. When you know, when I was in kindergarten and you know he was around, but he wasn't really around as much as you know, many other fathers were. Like you had a great sounds like a great experience. The father had a great experience with him, like later on in life.

Speaker 2: 19:47

Right.

Speaker 1: 19:48

And so there was times, bro, where I was almost getting in some big trouble for stupid stuff that I was going because I was hanging around with the wrong crowd and, luckily, sports coaches in my life pushed me into the right place. So, yes, some of these young ins can just find a good community, find a good coach that's willing to, you know, set their flag with them and help them out in tough times. You know, absolutely, absolutely.

Speaker 2: 20:10

I just think that that's another reason why kids should get in sports and not be coached by their parents but be coached by somebody else. These parents who are coaching their kids, they're just babysitting their kids so they can look like superstars instead of, you know, dealing with society and seeing how to be socialized with everybody and not go. That can start. You know all those things and they, once they get out from under that, then they're like not the athletes that they thought they were, and then they're disappointed, right, and they blame on everybody but themselves.

Speaker 2: 20:41

So it's all about having that, like you said, that outside of the household mentor that you trust, you believe in, and you start to kind of see that there's two different ways of living and you know you can choose those positive ways. Of course, we're always going to take stuff from home and we're going to take stuff from what we learned from others and then we're going to create our own. But the bottom line is it's always important to find someone who you feel comfortable with, to share your feelings and not feel like you need to stay clowned down all the time. That's an easy mentor. Now, my mentor right now, I don't have one.

Speaker 1: 21:15

Okay gotcha.

Speaker 2: 21:16

I don't have a mentor, but this is what I will tell you. That's someone who's in my face right now. I still listen to Les Browne every day. I get in my car. He is on my radio, is on my serious radio. I catch it. I see it all. It's all right there and my wife getting in my car and then she'll go oh, we listen to Les Browne every day. I go every time we get here because he has all these crazy stories and you listen and you kinda it's. You know it is the best way to kick off your day, it's all positive and you know what, and it's kinda teaching you stuff constantly. So I listen to.

Speaker 2: 21:49

Les Browne for his mentor situations.

Speaker 1: 21:52

But you're a faith guy too, right yeah? Yeah, so 100% Jesus, I'm assuming.

Speaker 1: 21:57

Jesus, yes, yes, yes, jesus, in a sense of yeah, yeah, because in a world where most people just go to church, one of the pillars here is faith. They need to believe. It's something. I'm not trying to push my religion on people, but at the same time, you know I mean there's power in believing in something. As I say, or you fall for anything. And you know the world right now is, you know, misinformation is an all time high. You have these political parties trying to push narratives, one of them being, you know, racism and all this stuff and stuff which is out there. But negativity spreads six times faster than positivity. So it's like if they're just looking at social media and expecting cause, a lot of people, that's their faith. Right now, they spend more time scrolling through social media. I think the average person's like three and a half to four and a half hours a day. Right, imagine that. Yeah, that is how much extra time and they're spending thinking of faith or with their family or with their fitness. I mean that's insane.

Speaker 2: 22:53

Yeah, it's amazing, yeah, it's just. It's that toxicity thing, man. You know, people say they don't live it, but they're listening to it, you know what I'm saying. And so it's a constant stimulator and they get to the point and I say that because I try to stay away from that stuff they get to the point where they're so entranced by it that they don't even realize that it's constantly going on.

Speaker 2: 23:17

And if you're not aware of your own surroundings and you're waking up to a positive moment and you know, kissing your loved one goodbye, I'll see you later, type thing. Then you get lost and you get caught up in the toxic world out there and you're angry about stuff. You didn't know why you're angry. It's just like you have nothing positive to talk about.

Speaker 1: 23:33

Yeah, they're in a dopamine trance, right. They're just so focused on getting that next dopamine hit, yeah, and then. But that's also a nutrition, that's also with you know. I saw this one time, Robert. I saw it where it said if a man can control his eyes, his tongue, his stomach and his penis, he's gonna be really, you know, 99, like a top one percenter in life, like you're gonna be really good.

Speaker 1: 23:58

Absolutely, and so that's what I've tried to. You know, obviously nothing. Nobody's perfect with everything. Like I said, that's sometimes my nutrition stumbles, or whatever. But what advice do you have for people for nutrition, to not just, you know, be emotionally attached to a dopamine hit of sugar or carbs, or like how can somebody go in the average person and get off their COVID weight because they're still carrying that around a couple of years later? Right?

Speaker 2: 24:25

Well, I tell all my clients this right away. I said here's the deal when you decide that you wanna make a change, then nothing's gonna stop you. But at first, thought within yourself saying I wanna make this change right. Looking at food in general, we have like four or five different basic types of food. That was gonna give us the right nutrition to help us move forward, right, so we don't need all of the mixtures.

Speaker 2: 24:50

But what happened is that people choose to look for taste and not fuel, right, they want everything to taste really good and if it's not tasting right, then it's not good, right. And so with all of the things that are out there attacking us in the world today, of all these specials and $5 for two burgers and they're looking at money side of it and they're looking at they're gonna get a meal all those things kind of take over. But once a person admits to themselves that they're unhappy with the person in the mirror, then they can make that change and they know that everyone, if they have the right person they're talking to know that it starts in the kitchen, it starts with food, right. And then after food, then you gotta decide how am I going to burn enough calories to be in a deficit at the end of the day, right, and at that point then you gotta go. What should I eat before I go to bed? So I'm not going to bed on a full ton of high carbs, because high body produces enough glycogen right now. We're going to bed empty. It produces enough glycogen while you sleep so that you have enough to get through full workout in the morning if you want to work on a fast and steady, so you don't have to wake up to that.

Speaker 2: 26:00

But when you go to bed with a bunch of carbs in your system, your body slows down number one. You know like both know that. Then they wake up and the cup is still full, so they go eat more and that's overflowing all day. It's never emptying. So they're not going to change, they're not going to lose weight. Those things just don't happen. So you need that carb cup, as I call it, to empty and then that way you can just fill it when you need it for fuel and you burn it off and that way the weight change and all that stuff happen naturally. But most people with the nutrition side of things is that they can just understand how important it is that if you eat More than less. You got to lose the way. You got to make the change.

Speaker 1: 26:37

But Robert, robert, it's all. I just got big bones brother.

Speaker 2: 26:42

Yeah, yeah, I heard that too. Right, but then we need to like lose away them bones then. But Because they will find an excuse, because the those are people who don't want to change they. They try to justify why they big and why they're heavy, and if they can find someone to agree with that, then that's.

Speaker 1: 27:00

They told himself that so many times that now their paradigm Literally believes that, like Joe to Spencer, if you know Joe, he's a, he's a doctor, he literally. You know, if you change your personality you'll change your personal reality. But you have to change first right and so they can change their thinking and get into the core of that. Then they're a whole life's gonna change because they've just, they've literally made radical Movement and their principles. You know what I mean, correct? Yes, absolutely. So.

Speaker 1: 27:27

Let me ask you this a couple different things. Yeah, with that, I had I was watching on a Netflix and you got to be careful to watch on Netflix. You know, it's like, it's like Google. Everybody's like what they said on Netflix. I'm like, bro, you need to do some research. Okay, so, but but there was a show I can't remember what it's called right now. My wife had me watching it but these Okinawan is talking about these people who lives like since and Centenarians or something like they live to a hundred plus.

Speaker 1: 27:55

Okay, oh, there was a blue zone, an area of people who lived like.

Speaker 1: 27:59

There was a lot more of these people living to a hundred years Plus in this area, and so one of the things that they talked about was, like you know, people who had, who, like in Italy, when they have a hill or when they have stairs, like the old houses do, and they're constantly walking all day Long and they're working, like in this video there's a hundred year old literally still out chasing horses, and another guy I was doing jokes and women who are sitting there with their community cooking, you know, so like they're a hundred years old but still Community driven and work driven. But the Okinawans, I think they said they do an 80-20 role and they they it's like a prayer before. I don't know if it's a prayer, but it's a saying. Can't remember exactly what they say, but it's like essentially, in their language is 80 20. So keep yourself 20% full after this, or 20% empty, right? So so 80% full, 20% empty out of this, and they claim that that helps tremendously because you're not stuffing your face. What do you think about that?

Speaker 2: 28:51

Huh, so they're 80% full and 20% empty. Empty.

Speaker 1: 28:57

Me you're leaving. You're leaving still hungry, like they still have 20% where you're. Like man, I could still put 20 more percent food in my stomach right now.

Speaker 2: 29:05

Yeah, well, that's, that's, that's kind of milk. That's like meal prepping right, if you know, if you know the job. Your BMR is 2200, right, if it's 2200 and you want to maintain your body weight, then you need to prep your meals the way they come out to 2200 calories, right, and then it'll allow you to maintain it and and and so people who are Keeping themselves empty over a point. I think it's a, it's a great idea. What we were just talking about, about going to bed on an empty stomach so that your body is Not trying to break down foods that is not going to break down and you wake up and start eating all over again, all right so the challenge is, though Robert, you know as well as I do that people with their habits, like you know so.

Speaker 1: 29:49

So let me ask you this so somebody has, if they're just, they want to make change, but they're not at the point where they they're like, all right, I'm all. Now I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna go away my way. I'm gonna first take do the work to look up the research, hire the coach, which the majority of people hire the coach. They, they pay for the gym and they don't even go right. I mean it's insane. And then you see the gyms that people do their new year's resolution.

Speaker 1: 30:14

December 31st and so what can people do? Because I'm a big believer in the compound effect. Right, it's like, yeah, small things done daily Over time gonna get you big results, good or bad, right, if you're doing bad things. But I mean if they, if they just make small Changes, they move, right, they, they. Maybe they walk after they eat, they drink more water, right, like what are some of these things that they could do? To where maybe that gets them off the couch, that gets them stop Watching TV so much it makes them feel more energy throughout the day. So then they want to go on that walk and then, and then one month, two months, three months later, now they want to go to the fitness class. What can I do?

Speaker 2: 30:53

So I Tell you, this is what I have my clients doing that I know won't do anything once they go in the house. I just know their whole personnel is not gonna happen. I say so. Here's the deal as soon as you drive into your driveway, leave your purse, lock your car, get out of your car, walk a block and come back. I want you to do that three times a week. First you pick the days and then I want you to take it. I have them take a video shot, show me that they're walking. That's the connection I have with all of my clients. And then, after a while, they go oh, I could walk farther than that. Oh, I can walk farther than that.

Speaker 2: 31:29

And next, time I know they put in their tennis shoes in their car and then they're walking a little bit farther and now they've created their own solution in a sense, to where once people create their own solution they're more willing to follow it. But first, as you stated, we got to make sure first we give them kind of a little leash to kind of go ahead and go out and do these small things first, and those small things, as you stated, been a compound effect. They just get bigger on their own, because Anyone who have any type of little push will see that I can go a little bit farther, I want to go a little bit farther, I want to go a little bit farther. And even if they saw one pound on the scale change in a week or two, they're in.

Speaker 1: 32:10

Yeah, that's great man. And so what about the people that are like you know? They come to you and they say, robert, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm 40 years old, I'm 50 years old, I'm six years old, I'm 30 years old. And they say, you know, the guys are like my testosterone is low, or even some of the females. I'm a firm believer that, because I've done that stuff before in my, in my old life, and you know it's like I don't think it does anything, you know, good, and for the long term, of course, personally. But but you know, some people will say, well, the science says otherwise. And then the other people say, well, the science says otherwise. So you know what? Are you really sure? So, but the point is is I Think a lot of people just need a lifestyle change.

Speaker 1: 32:52

Out of friend, it just got back from Mexico, he's like 40 years old, he's like man, my, I just got my testosterone driven or a taken, and it was like and he's a guy, he's like it's 150 and you know it's super low. And I said, well, did you drink every day? He said, absolutely, man, I was, I was having fun. I said, well, give your body time to bounce back before you just go get dose testosterone. You don't even know if you're lower or not, right, what do you think?

Speaker 2: 33:16

so I Ever any mail that come to me and they complain like that. I said before you make that decision, go get a test. I always tell people, don't get tested, just go get tested for your own honest, because if not.

Speaker 2: 33:27

They're gonna go out and do something that they shouldn't do. They're gonna pick up the wrong stuff from somebody else. So I'd rather see them go to a doctor because soon as they see me on, go. So how you look like that. I don't think steroids is a taboo. I don't think it's taboo because I tell them right away I went out tested when I was 56 years old. Up until that point I Didn't think about a test shot or a stand or checking on it. So the most important thing is that you need to find out where you are bottom line now. Yes, can you change to do cleaning of eating and and movement and lifting weights and getting out of dreadful? Yeah, of course it could happen, but from my experience and my stuff that I did at the university, it's, it's not gonna climb fast enough for people who are just bottom lined out. The energy level is never gonna allow them to even think about. Okay, you know, I want to see how long it's gonna take and they're already. They're like 40s and 50s, right, they don't.

Speaker 1: 34:25

You don't drop you don't drink, I don't drink, so you are already. You know you ain't got tested like you already. Yeah, that's the man. Like you're not drinking, you have great eyes. No man every day. Yeah, so I said. I guess my my only question was is like what about the person who's still going out Drinking and and they want to go and you know, maybe they don't drink Monday through Friday, but Saturday they go out and crush it and then come back.

Speaker 2: 34:49

I tell you gotta be wasting your money at the doctors. You're gonna waste your money because, as you know nothing, there's always something to assist you but it's not gonna make you right. And so you still got to do the right things to for your body to change and the whole muscle maturity, maturity, and do all that stuff. And if they just think there's something, you can take a pill or take a shot and sit on the couch you still have drinks there once a while. You can begin it, it ain't happening. It is not happening because, number one, when you do take a test, a TRT treatment, your body's gonna retain water, just for your joints, right, it's gonna retain water. And then, if you're drinking alcohol, what does alcohol do? Dehydraters. So you're counteracting everything that's supposed to be happening, in a sense. And then you're like, okay, I'm spending money and my body's not changing, I'm not going to the gym, and they're looking for this magic pill. And then there's no magic pill, that's no magic shot. You still gotta put in the water.

Speaker 1: 35:45

Right, it's funny. I had a friend he was he. He went and started doing steroids. He's like I'm gonna get ripped and he didn't work out. He got fat. I'm like, bro, like it's not gonna do the work for you, like you got to go to the gym, dude.

Speaker 2: 35:59

Yeah, they think it's a magic dose, man. You see, these guys who are dying from this stuff, man, they're doing too much right and your heart, your body can only have so much, and so when you, unfortunately that happens in this sport of bodybuilding. But, like I said, bodybuilding don't make you do drugs. It's the competition that make you do drugs. You're like, if I want to play, I gotta keep up, and so you, they're doing what everybody else is doing. So I just believe that people who are doing it to walk around the beach, people who are doing it for everything but to make money from it, is wasting their damn time.

Speaker 1: 36:34

They are, it's like Most the girls don't even like it, you know, because it's it's.

Speaker 2: 36:40

It's too big and it's too aggressive looking. You look intimidating this out. You know, I mean I smile all the time to keep people thinking I'm angry.

Speaker 1: 36:50

Ty Lopez. I heard Ty Lopez say one time he goes. You know all these guys want to get out there and just become Arnold Schwarzenegger. But have you guys done a test on your target market? Have you asked like a hundred women if they like you know Brad Pitt, or do they like Arnold Schwarzenegger?

Speaker 2: 37:05

or Whoever introduced somebody else there like a?

Speaker 1: 37:08

smaller, more lean, healthy person. Right then everybody's like of course you know. Yeah, of course, of course. So so did you do? Did you get a question? You know I answer, but did you do, did you? Do that Did you do? Testosterone in the NFL.

Speaker 2: 37:23

No, no, I never tested till I was 56.

Speaker 1: 37:26

Wow.

Speaker 2: 37:28

But I tell you, I, I tell you it was. It was not like this powerful thing back then, it was not like everybody's. I need to do test. I need to do test. You can tell that there was a couple people. You know I was a no. All those guys like that. You know no one quoted the names, but that name been on TV and you see, yeah, sammy, so so McGuire.

Speaker 2: 37:51

Yeah and so but. But the thing is is that those are the guys who got into a sport, they realized that they want to be number one, and the people who was already introducing drugs to sports. When they showed them how fast they can make you change I've decided the weight and all the stuff that you wasn't getting before being they was on it right. And most of those guys got caught. And I mean they got caught and then now they're trying to save their reputation, in a sense because of the athleticism. And you know, like I said, man, I I believe that there's a lot of things that draw us into this Determination to be the best, whatever it may be, and sometimes there are things out there that you hear about that you think it's gonna work for you, that don't want work for you.

Speaker 2: 38:42

I mean, people can take a test and if your body is not absorbing right or doing right, hey, nothing gonna happen. Like you said, your boy got fat, that's what's gonna happen. And so there's a lot more going into going to the doctor and saying I want to get a test shot and I want To get better. First thing the doctor is gonna tell you, and what they tell me, this is gonna help you with your energy, you're gonna feel refreshed and your recovery time is gonna be good. And that's how that's all. That's that's what I need, because I already knew I already had muscle bellies. I already train all my life just making natural muscles, so I wasn't lacking at 56.

Speaker 1: 39:20

No, that's man, makes perfect sense. So last two questions. One is what? So usually I start off the podcast and I ask what do you think? I ask what is winning in life? What is winning? Like you, you die 30 years from now, 50 years from now, hopefully, right like what. What is you? Look back in your life, you're up in heaven. What is it? When do you at that point?

Speaker 2: 39:39

Winning to me is having people still talk about the things I did for them and make them better, and that man Robert, did this for me, made me feel so good. Robert said this to me made me realize I can do it. He was out of support me. My legacy in general is that I want people to remember that Robert was a guy.

Speaker 2: 39:55

That was always honest I, I don't, I don't know my dad said don't lock, because you got to tell a second one and a third one and a fourth one and a fifth one. So your mind was telling truth and With my clients, with my friends, with my wife, you want to know the truth. I'm gonna tell you. If you don't know one of them truth, don't ask, because I'm gonna tell you right. And so everybody that I've been involved with that's been in my, my circle for a long time, they'll say that's Robert, I'll tell you because I'm not gonna hide it, I'm gonna tell you the truth. But I think people really like that, because there's so many people don't don't want to say the truth to you. They think it's gonna hurt your feelings. But yet it might hurt your feelings, but it's gonna bring you to reality and go okay, I get that now and and that's what I want my legacy to be that I was a guy that was there for them. I I treated him fair. Everything for me was real. There was no faking us.

Speaker 1: 40:46

Yeah, yeah, I can tell you, man, you've done that for me, so I appreciate you as a friend and Thanks for hopping on. How do people find you like I want to? Let's go over. Where can they find you if they want to be a coat, you know?

Speaker 2: 40:57

yeah, so they can go on to my website, which is Robert Johnson training, calm, and On my website it gives you everything about my past, my everything that I've done, and it's all straight up front. All the connection paperwork and Signing is all right there and then I use to get a email stating that someone went on and I respond to him right away. My Instagram is also Robert Johnson training, so I try to keep everything connected in one so they can reach me on all levels. I'm here in sugarland.

Speaker 1: 41:29

I'm here in sugarland, texas, and I can tell you I'm kind of happy to be back in Texas actually, but you do online, what you do, online stuff too, it's not just I do online training, I do online training.

Speaker 2: 41:40

I Try to make sure during the online training phase that I I do have someone, that I kind of monitor people before I really get into it.

Speaker 2: 41:49

I want to make sure that they got to be there, instead of me jumping online and not there and I'm you know it's a lot of time going ball in that. So unless they reach out to me and say this is my issue, I really need to be there. I have three clients online right now and they're you know I got a handicap, so they're looking for for me to do chair exercises and all that stuff with them, so I do that right now also.

Speaker 1: 42:11

Yeah, awesome, robin, awesome and well thanks for your time, brother. Everybody go download this podcast. Share it with somebody that needs to hear this. Subscribe to the podcast and then go to his website, check him out. Go to his Instagram, follow him. He's always got value on his Instagram. I love, you know, I love seeing him every day working out Just makes me, makes me want to work harder. This guy is shredded.

Speaker 2: 42:34

All right, I'm trying to stay healthy man. It's all about the food. People, all about the food.

Speaker 1: 42:39

Love it. All right, robert, I will appreciate you man, and yeah, I soon. Alright, cheers, all right, peace out brother. State state it's got a stop and then it's got to upload. Yeah, this is 99% uploading. Then I'll say done Still, what is happening? It's so I have this to.

Speaker 2: 43:01

I'm continuously uploading your high quality.

Speaker 1: 43:02

I've never had this happen before, so this will be interesting. Hmm, it's easy for me to cut, but it's I need to have something to cut. So, okay, stop. So says stopping, I'm gonna stop.

Speaker 2: 43:22

So says stopping. Man.

Speaker 1: 43:31

Sorry bro, I don't this never, happened for Alright, let's see reporting start automatically. Start reporting, stupid, you know, alright. Well, I think. Hmm, I don't know what has to happen. I think what might have to happen is we might need to exit. How does it work?

Speaker 2: 44:01

We see what this is it works, it happens.

Speaker 1: 44:05

Yes. All right here, it is so. Okay, all right. So sounds like all we got to do is go to what we'll exit out of this. Then we go to Riverside Dot FM, dot upload, and then it should be good. So, all right, is that? Does that work? Yeah, cool.

Speaker 2: 45:06

Thank you, brother, appreciate you man, I mean, it's a tell a wife.

Speaker 1: 45:09

I said hello you too, man, you too. Yeah, I'll see you. Thanks, brother, I.