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Unveiling the Controversial Truths in Hollywood's Horrors: Jeepers Creepers
Ready for a chilling journey into the macabre world of cult classic slashers? Don your bravest face and step into the sinister shadows of revered classics like Jeepers Creepers. We also shine our floodlight on the lesser known, but equally spine-tingling, Wrong Turn and the 1993 cult hit, Leprechaun.
The episode thickens as we unearth the controversial backstory of Jeepers Creepers' director, Victor Salva. From his debut movie Something in the Basement to his involvement with Disney, despite his dreadful crimes, we lay bare the disturbing realities hiding behind the silver screen. Ever found yourself wrestling with the moral dilemma of separating the art from the artist? Well, strap in as we grapple with this complex issue, discussing the influence of figures like Francis Ford Coppola on Salva's career and the role of power in protecting such individuals.
Our cinematic journey doesn't end there! We'll also be pulling back the curtain on Zack Snyder's filmography, scrutinizing his hits and misses (37:31). As we wrap up, we let you in on the buzz surrounding the upcoming movie Rebel Moon, starring Anthony Hopkins. So, film buffs and casual listeners alike, brace yourselves for an episode that promises a rollercoaster of thrills, chills, and unnerving revelations.
Ready for a chilling journey into the macabre world of cult classic slashers? Don your bravest face and step into the sinister shadows of revered classics like Jeepers Creepers. We also shine our floodlight on the lesser known, but equally spine-tingling, Wrong Turn and the 1993 cult hit, Leprechaun.
The episode thickens as we unearth the controversial backstory of Jeepers Creepers' director, Victor Salva. From his debut movie Something in the Basement to his involvement with Disney, despite his dreadful crimes, we lay bare the disturbing realities hiding behind the silver screen. Ever found yourself wrestling with the moral dilemma of separating the art from the artist? Well, strap in as we grapple with this complex issue, discussing the influence of figures like Francis Ford Coppola on Salva's career and the role of power in protecting such individuals.
Our cinematic journey doesn't end there! We'll also be pulling back the curtain on Zack Snyder's filmography, scrutinizing his hits and misses (37:31). As we wrap up, we let you in on the buzz surrounding the upcoming movie Rebel Moon, starring Anthony Hopkins. So, film buffs and casual listeners alike, brace yourselves for an episode that promises a rollercoaster of thrills, chills, and unnerving revelations.
Ryan's made those scores and then give a reading of our own and then give an average. This intro song, which I just stopped, was actually made by our very own Slick Zeclenn and that shit's fire, Thank you. So that's. It's going to be the intro moving forward, no matter what, for the rest of our lives.
Speaker 2:Very ghetto.
Speaker 1:Yeah, um. So in today's episode we're actually going to talk about a fucking cult classic Jeepers creep.
Speaker 2:And also a corrupted cult, classic.
Speaker 1:Corrupted, you know before we decided to do this movie, before we found out that the director, Victor Salva, was a fucking full fledged Pito. It just, it just happened to be that it came upon our lap like that. We actually didn't know until we watched the movies. That was the worst part. I fucking watched those horrible ass movies.
Speaker 2:And when doing research I found out this guy, the third one and the fourth one are like, they're like strong attenders of worst movies I've ever seen.
Speaker 1:No, you're absolutely right. And you know I think this was the last new slasher, because all the slashers kind of have like history. You know fucking Freddy Krueger, friday 13th, jason Michael with Halloween's scream, you know Ghost Face and scream, all those. They have long history, but I, you know this one was born in the 2000s. It was the last slasher that was really created. Oh, it's not for good, texas.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm going to say that Last year Uh huh, but all that is much older than than Jeepers. Creepers, you're just creepers, probably the newest of the slasher. I don't think any new slasher's are made anymore, because it's not good.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:It's, it's, it's easy. It's a really lazy format. Typically, you know, woman protagonist, who you need to be charismatic and kind of like comedy kind of slashers everybody's run for your lives. People are making all the mistakes that you would never want to make yourself, like running upstairs instead of out through the front, or going to go down into the tunnel by themselves, going to the basement by themselves, that's up to sure. That's kind of what makes slasher's fun that they made these stupid decisions and we watched them laugh. Is leprechaun a slasher? Is leprechaun a slasher? Sure, yeah, yeah, leprechaun. Leprechaun on the hood, hell yeah, ilzner slasher's older, old too, I think. Definitely less popular.
Speaker 2:Well, that wouldn't the first one come out.
Speaker 1:The first leprechaun.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:The first leprechaun came out in 1993. Oh wow, With our boy Warwick Davis and Jennifer Aniston Somehow I'm completely forgot about that. And there are a lot, there are a lot of leprechauns. The only one I really remember those leprechaun in the hood, man Leprechaun on the hood was was too good.
Speaker 2:Actually was a. What was that movie called Wrong Turn that came out early 2000s, right, is that kind of slasher?
Speaker 1:No, I think that's more of like a monster movie.
Speaker 2:Really the guys are monsters, or?
Speaker 1:wrong turn, weren't there monsters in wrong turn.
Speaker 2:I mean they're deformed human beings, they're like monsters.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'd say that's more like a monster.
Speaker 2:No, because they did slash, they did have machetes and shit. Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1:I mean, yeah, every, every, you know most monsters. I don't know if it's technically a slasher, let's see what the I mean, they use guns too.
Speaker 2:So I don't know like what it categorized as slasher. I don't know if you it is a slasher.
Speaker 1:It is a slasher according to the Internet. Wrong turn is it's only there 2003 slasher film. You know I disagree, I don't know.
Speaker 2:I don't. I don't watch slasher films like that, so I don't know what categorized as slasher. I don't know if they only need a knife throughout the whole movie to be kind of slash it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, nah, I feel like, like I said, slasher is like just that movie. It's kind of lazy A lot of chase scenes. Not chase scenes, you know, teenagers typically, I feel like, or young adults. Should I say definitely female protagonist. It's the only way a lot of people care. Apparently that seems to be the theme for a lot of the movies. The slasher is oh, the A24 came out with a slasher recently. X Did you watch it and then I did.
Speaker 2:Was it good?
Speaker 1:It was. It was a well done slasher. It was still a slasher, though at the end of the day it was definitely better. It was definitely a little more twisted. I mean, a24 makes quality stuff and then they also came out with a sequel for it. What was the sequel to X?
Speaker 2:I think it was like Pearl right.
Speaker 1:Yeah Pearl, same actress who was in the thing, and how was Kid Cudi?
Speaker 2:Was he good?
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, he was good. He shows his slung. Good to see Kid Cudi, pretty sure, but he was good, he was good. No, seriously, I like Kid Cudi. Anyways, let's get into it.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So Jeepers, creepers, one Got a tomato meter score of 46 percent.
Speaker 2:And the first one.
Speaker 1:Audience score yeah, the first one. What, wow? Yeah, audience score 49. Why Do you think it was going to be more?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was, I was, I was, I was imagine in the 60s. I didn't think it was bad. I like, I liked. Turning point was I liked when they was trapped in the police station. Oh, that shit was beast. That's probably my favorite part.
Speaker 1:You gotta realize. Like that's the thing about slashes, like they're not going to get good ratings. It's not just about you know, other people. At the end of the day, jeepers Creepers they came out Labor Day at the time was the highest grossing Labor Day film in America, let's go, you know. And it only got beat by Jeepers Creepers 2, which came out Labor Day weekend a few years later.
Speaker 2:Nice.
Speaker 1:So it definitely was like a cult classic, but, you know, doesn't mean that it was fucking good. I personally, I think I definitely enjoyed it more when I was younger and it actually spooked me. It was creepy. I had to like a lot of creepy shit. But when I rewatched it now I was like no, this isn't like a masterpiece. It's not even a good slasher.
Speaker 1:There's so many things. The best part about it is probably just in long, because I fucking love Justin. He's funny. So yeah, he's great. And now it's his first big film at the age of 22. Nice, so he's really young there. But I didn't think there was a lot of goofs. There was a lot of like director things that I usually never am like. I'm never looking for those things, but it was just so obvious, like literally like they're talking and kind of the sweet scenes and like when he's talking it's like bright, and then when she's talking it's like evening. You know, like the cars change, like outfit different. I'm just like bro, this is like this guy had money by the time this came out, you know yeah, it definitely seemed low budget.
Speaker 2:I think that's what I liked about it too. I'm like I like, I like low budget, like aesthetic.
Speaker 1:It wasn't low budget, though. I mean he had a lot of money going into it, millions of dollars going into it, so I wouldn't say it's low.
Speaker 2:but not yet, but I look like it.
Speaker 1:I'm just saying yeah, yeah, I see what you're saying. You like that, like, like raunch. Yeah she's the right word Aesthetic. You know we're rusty walls. Yeah, first one came out co-classic Um 46. What I say? That I say yeah, 46, 749 percent audience core. Do you think about that? Agree, disagree.
Speaker 2:Um, actually I'll put like I Mean I don't know if this counts, but I'll put it like 54, give it a little bit. I'll give it like in the middle yeah, just a little bit more I'll be. I'll be decent because it did. It was entertaining throughout, throughout the film. I wasn't bored, nor was I sleepy. That's what I mostly feel when I watch most horror movies, except for meditator, yeah.
Speaker 1:But it was fun to watch. I'm gonna give it a fucking zero. You want to? Why I'm a choice anymore has to be a zero. No, I think I like realistically. If I was gonna give it something, it probably be like 40%.
Speaker 2:It's a zero in our hearts.
Speaker 1:But I really would. Didn't think it was as good as I remembered it.
Speaker 2:Hmm.
Speaker 1:Um. So the second one came out and once again Did really well in the box office, but didn't do well Ratings. Wise ron tomatoes gives it 24 percent, the audience gave it 37 percent. So they're okay. Definitely a little more disappointed. What?
Speaker 2:do you think about the second? Second one was a scary at all. It was very action. I think I saw more as like Dueling goes in action. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Action I just like, which is definitely a little more different, but once again, wasn't blown away.
Speaker 2:I like the shot. The only the only thing I was blown away was from the shuriken when he threw that shit. Well, I guess that was. That was the only thing that treat me yeah.
Speaker 1:Jeepers Creepers 3 Um Victor Salva's last Jeepers Creepers film was like what the fuck came out in 2017. Yeah, that that film was absolutely 17% Ron tomatoes 30% audience score. Nothing about that movie was good. It was hard to watch. It was hard to finish. I'm not surprised. It's really hard to find. It's not on me like streaming platforms. You have to rent it, which is one of my deepest regrets right Damn, did it hurt your heart?
Speaker 2:how much was rent?
Speaker 1:it hurt my heart especially have to find out who's a pedo and? And let's get, let's get this out of the way the Jeepers Creepers. The Story is that there's this monster comes out every 23 years on the 23rd spring for 23 days, hunting and killing people, and when he kills them not a very, not a new or uncommon theme, much like Freddy Krueger, or if he senses fear from you, then he's kind of attracted to you and he kind of wants this thing from you, right? So, whether it's your eyes or your liver, your heart or your arms or whatever the fuck he takes, he regenerates on his body. That that's it. That's, that's the the core of the thing. Now.
Speaker 1:Jeepers Creepers 1, 2, 3 they didn't make it like 23 years after. Each other was all kind of like this Continuality of, like a different story from this 23 day period. That, right. The second, I think. The first one, though, is like no, I'm sorry, the second Jeepers Creepers is Continue for continuity. Steak the last one. Because he gets kidnapped, right, he actually loses. Yeah, he gets, he gets, he gets a whole, a health captive. Yeah, he gets health captive. And Jeepers Creepers 3 is directly after. He takes fucking Justin long in Jeepers Creepers 1. That's where they pick up in Jeepers Creepers 3. Look, don't watch these movies, don't do it. I'm just I'm telling you everything. That was the most interesting part of Jeepers Creepers 3 is when they start from Jeepers Creepers that movie's absolutely trash.
Speaker 2:I was like, yeah, I was kind of surprised they took it from there. I was like yeah, I was thinking before I started the movie like does that mean that he escaped again, even though you were watching it? And then you wanted to do that shit. I was, I didn't, I wasn't down for that, for that story route, but like, I gave it a try and I regret it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, cuz they're not gonna go 23 years in the future. They could have gone 20 years in the past. Actually, in the third movie they kind of do do that. They talk about some of his murders 25 years ago.
Speaker 1:But that's it, and that whole scene is is dumb, oh god, the movie just think about the movie is frustrating, especially. Once again, guys, I'm gonna keep saying this until we actually talk about it more. This guy's a fucking pedophile, so he shouldn't even get the I don't know the time of day, you know, but let's not forget, not directed by Victor Savo. They tried to resurrect Jeepers Creepers as a series. Think that they'd be a good idea. They came out fucking Jeepers Creepers reborn. Directed by Timo Vura Sonsola I think he's French. I could have butchered his name. Honestly, bro, it was such a whole. What do you think the bronce natal score was for two?
Speaker 2:Definitely one digit. I'll tell you that I'll pull four. No, I'll put that's too generous, I'll put two. Yes, tomatoes you didn't you surprised me this time.
Speaker 1:Of the few times, I will agree with my rating. It would be zero.
Speaker 2:Yeah, zero percent sounds great Fucking.
Speaker 1:That movie was so odd. They were like little things bro. That didn't make sense, like if you have a low budget, which I, which I don't know, if this guy I don't know how much money.
Speaker 2:I could have till with all the CGI.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know that they grossed two million dollars, which is not that good. Um, actually, I'm gonna look it up right now.
Speaker 2:I mean if their budget is below two million dollars.
Speaker 1:I know that's how much they made in the right.
Speaker 2:I'm saying like if they're, if they're, if they're budget is on the Okay.
Speaker 1:The Jeepers creepers reborn budget came out to around five.
Speaker 2:Oh shit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, and and honestly I don't, I don't just Stand because they did weird things like remember, like they'd be driving in the car and they would pull like the background of the car as CG yeah, like you know, like back in the day they used to like people used to drive and they'd pull like a fake background on the back. Is that cheaper than According?
Speaker 2:to somebody drive. I don't know, but it looks bad.
Speaker 1:I don't.
Speaker 2:It looks really bad stuff like that.
Speaker 1:It just doesn't make any fucking sense, but that that movie truly was fucking.
Speaker 2:Oh. When they had a scene where the guy was pretending to eat a chicken. You remember that he took the chicken leg. Yeah, oh man that's yeah, what was that?
Speaker 1:What was that? I don't know. I feel like there was no effort.
Speaker 2:I feel like they, in the middle of the right, middle of like direct directing the movie. If again, just stop trying. Yeah, what was worse? The third or the or the reborn? You stop answer that. Are you gonna answer that? The end?
Speaker 1:Which is worse. The third, yeah, the only thing that makes a third worse is that Victor salvo fucking, and when I continue to talk about this guy, you're gonna realize why I fucking hate this guy so much, even beyond the fact that he's a pedo. But if we're averaging all the scores that we gave Jeepers Creepers, one, which is the only one we're gonna do, is the only one that deserves to really be talked about. Actually, a Jeepers Creepers Slick gave it a 54. The original rating was a 46. I would give it a 40 and that levels it out about 46%. So you win round spados. You get that. Jeepers Creepers got 24%.
Speaker 2:What do you think? Yeah, I give it like 20. I wasn't.
Speaker 1:Honestly.
Speaker 4:I think.
Speaker 1:I didn't think it was much worse than the second one. I'm gonna go ahead and give it a little definitely a downgrade, though I was fairly disappointed.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so after calculating our averages, that would be at about a 26%, so actually Higher than what Ron tomatoes gave it as the real feel for this. But you know, just to go over this again, ladies and gentlemen, this is what we're gonna start doing now. We're gonna have the raw tomato score and then six gonna give a score and I'm gonna give my score. We're gonna average those scores up. Real. The real rating should be. That's it. I'm not gonna talk about Reborn, we agree zero, zero plus zero plus zero.
Speaker 1:Divided by fucking, anything is zero.
Speaker 2:So infinite zeros, do-do-do-do buckets. I can't say anything. I think you said when we, when we finished watching, that's actually the worst movie you might have seen.
Speaker 1:We're cracking up, cracking up on you.
Speaker 2:Do you mean that it was at the worst, was reborn, the worst movie ever seen, or top three? I think so.
Speaker 1:I can't think of a, you know, because even like sharknado it was like that least they weren't trying to be a good sharknado. Whoever made sharknado is a fucking I don't know genius. They made a lot of money. They made more. Everybody was talking about people watching for fun. It was a fun movie. This, this movie, jeepers Creepers of Born was somebody made it with intent to be good. But let's, let's cut to the real thing. We're not gonna talk about the movie that much, because this guy's a pedophile. He doesn't deserve that fucking attention. We're gonna talk about fucking.
Speaker 1:Victor salva was the director of Jeepers Creepers 1, 2 and 3 and is a in the books, not an opinion, not a speculation a villain a fucking villain, a pedophile, and Along with them we're also gonna talk about Francis Ford Capola, who is the director of the Godfathers 1, 2 and 3, and also director of the outsiders and Random, the uncle of Nicholas Cage. I did not know that?
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was a big one.
Speaker 1:Nicholas, this cage is last name, is not cage, it's fucking capital. I don't know if I'm saying the last name right. I don't really care.
Speaker 2:Yeah, me neither.
Speaker 1:So, victor salva, how much research did you do on this?
Speaker 2:I read a story about him. It was before I read a story about him. He directed a movie before Jeepers Creepers, clownhouse yeah, that one, and that's where it all started. He like, yeah, I think Melissa, the 12 year old boy right, because there was a child actor in that movie and From the article I read, that's where, like, the allegations all started at and then for some reason, they still came to make more movies. So that happened. That happened before Jeepers Creepers.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he actually ended up working for Disney. Yeah, they've worked for Disney after being a shit.
Speaker 2:Even after the allegations and like yeah, there was no, let's not call them allegations. No, no, yeah, I know it's real and and, but I'm just saying like after the after jail, after jail. After the controversy still got hired.
Speaker 1:Yeah, after the country, I'm gonna give you the full fucking story. He did a movie us powder. The movie is powdered from Disney, but anyways, anyways. So let's say the. Everything I read about Victor salva, about his like upbringing, is a little weird because literally like nobody, this family has ever spoke publicly about Victor salva. The only thing we know about Victor salva is the stuff that Victor salva is told himself that he was abused by a stepfather, that his mother didn't give a shit and that he got made fun of Like crazy for being gay other than that did well in school.
Speaker 1:Everybody thought he was a great artist, which I completely disagree with, and he worked at a preschool. That's how he gathered a lot of his money. He worked in preschool, which is like fucking pedophile number one thing to do, by the way.
Speaker 2:Fucking be around the things artists was he like an actual like painter or was he just like artists and like I, like his artist isn't like a film film maker, like artists, isn't like he, you know, like his teachers.
Speaker 1:According to him, his teachers praised him for being a great storyteller. According to him. Yeah, anyways, the first movie that he ever really made at home, before he had anything, was a movie called Something in the basement. So he made a movie called something in the basement 1986 and he actually submitted it to the Sony AFI American Film Institute home video competition. One of the judges for that competition was Francis Ford, paula Wow Coppola, and that's how they met. Fucking Victor South ended up winning first place in the fucking Sony AFI home video Competition and I think he came in like third place in like another European thing you submitted shit to and after that Francis Coppola gave him. Coppola Gave him money to make clown house and that was his first featured film. For those that don't know, clown house is actually a fucking Cold classic somehow, for like really really deep horror it's classic fanatics never it's about, yeah, yeah, clowns.
Speaker 1:It's. You know it has, like it's so easy, once again not very creative. It's about three young boys, all under the age of 18, the youngest one being 12 years old, and they're home alone and there's fucking three serial killer clowns that escaped prison, that fucking attack, all right, and throughout the movie, a lot of weird shots. They're definitely, like you know, home with their shirts off, whatever, whatever. But the youngest actor for that one because those three kids was young boy named Nathan forest winters and he met Nathan forest winners in preschool when he was six years old and he was grooming him from six till they made that movie clown house when he was 12 years old.
Speaker 1:God damn, yeah. So he, you know, as most predators, like it's a slow grooming process. You know, like you meet them, you meet their parents, you know you're there, you babysit, you continue to babysit and then you start taking a mile and obviously, like the parents appreciate having a friend who is kind of taking the stress off a little bit, and then you gain trust over, I mean, from the age of six to twelve, which is how he was when he did clown house. That's six years of building trust and grooming not only the kid, but the parents you know he tried out for something in the basement.
Speaker 1:I think he was him and a whole bunch of the other preschool to try for something in the basement. And Nathan forest winners says that's actually when he started getting molested and touched by Victor salva. So while they were filming Clownhouse, a whole bunch of people thought it was mad, weird, that fucking, literally in between every break Big Tissabu would have fucking Nathan winners on his lap and they thought it was inappropriate. And the whole time they would go up to his mom and she would be like no, it's fine. And so finally it got to where she was like yeah, you know what? Like too many people are coming up to me saying that this is kind of inappropriate, this relationship you have with my son. So she said something and he banned her from the set, saying that like hey, there's nothing to worry about, but you can't come to us anymore because Nathan can't vote what, and yeah, and then not only that, but then Nathan had to start staying in after going to his trailer to work more on the film he get eventually, because at this point he's 12. He starts realizing, like now, that people are having relationships and sexuality is kind of like something talked about in school that, like the things that these people are doing with each other, victor Salva is doing to him and he's like yo, this is weird. I'm going to tell my mom.
Speaker 1:He tells his mom and she immediately calls the cops and they basically organize a big sting operation. They rate the trailer, they rate his home and they find bought child pornography. They find homemade videos that he the same camera he was using to film clown houses, the camera he used to film kids. They found videos of him performing oral sex on Nathan Winters. That's crazy, it wasn't yet they found pictures. Well, this wasn't like something that was like, oh, you know, all the evidence got like fucking burned or whatever. No, that wasn't the case. Anyways, before I continue, there's like a interview and the news that I found with Nathan Winters and he kind of explains everything. So I'm actually going to play that and we can talk about it a little after, but it's actually pretty cool, not cool. I'm going to fucking edit that out. It's, you know, it's from horses.
Speaker 2:Now, no, man, you won't put that in no no, no, no, what no way. It's a right man.
Speaker 1:I'm not going to cancel because nobody hears this. It's fucked up. Shit. That was crazy. I'm going to make this a clip, but I'm just going to say it's like higher.
Speaker 2:That shit's to me too, bro.
Speaker 1:Obviously that shit's so funny. Hold on, let me actually.
Speaker 2:Man, as long as you apologize after you said it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that wasn't. Yeah, it wasn't cool. Guys, it was. It's not. None of this is cool. This is the fucking is. I'm going to play it right now for you. You ready? So?
Speaker 2:yeah, right when they hear pretty cool, that's it, I'm done, just exit out. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Instantly, instantly, fucking, instantly. Well, this is cool.
Speaker 4:It's just for the button. Now tell me something. Take us through the steps of how Victor Salva was held accountable for molesting you as a child.
Speaker 3:Let's see, it was a when he was arrested. It was a sting operation First of all, and so, after we finished up principal photography for clown house, because of the cameras are used were literally the ones that George Lucas used for American graffiti, and so they're really old, outdated cameras and they were extremely loud so every bit of sound on that film had to be dubbed over, and so it was basically a month of shooting and then a month of overdubs, and it was right in between, like right in the first couple days of doing the overdubs, that the police did the sting operation and caught him just a couple of miles away from his house. And then, I mean, they found, you know, like a pretty much a kiddie porn den, just videotapes upon videotapes and photo albums full of like boys modeling underwear for you know Macy's or series, plus pictures of countless little boys and all sorts of just really really disgusting stuff was found, and Victor admitted to all of it. He admitted to all of it until there was an attorney involved, and Coppola is where the attorney came in, like that's, that's where the money came from for the attorney, for Victor's attorney was, so Coppola gets him this really you know, expensive lawyer, and and then it turns into where he you know, because the police already had on file, on record him admitting to all these things, because he was arrested on 11 counts of child molestation, including oil sodomy on a child under 14, you know, oil copulation on a child under 14, videotaping these things. And then you know several charges that had to do with the production of clownhouse and being abused during that production. So he of course retracts everything and the lawyers get him to shut his mouth and, you know, stop making their jobs harder.
Speaker 3:And eventually what happened was some point Coppola filed a lawsuit against my family for five million dollars for some breach of contract or something. And my lawyer called my parents one day and said you know, the appointment we had with Victor's attorneys are not, it has been rescheduled, it's been pushed to told tomorrow so you guys don't need to come in today. And so you know, we stayed home and my attorney actually went down and met with Victor's lawyers and signed up, you know, wrote up a plea bargain and had it signed and the plea bargain dropped the six most severe charges, the ones that had to do with the production of clownhouse and the abuse, and he was convicted on five, the five least severe charges are signed a plea bargain of that and was sentenced three years. And he maybe. He was in jail for a short time when he was first arrested, but after that he didn't go to prison. He never saw another jail cell. He went to a treatment facility in Napa oh what a retreat.
Speaker 3:Lovely Right, Right. Yeah, he did 15 months, so I'm sorry he had movie deals waiting for him, you know. Like he had is like you know, warm reception when he got out of his treatment and was right back to work, you know, shortly thereafter.
Speaker 4:All right. So Francis Ford Coppola stepped into not only help him, but then he sued you. Yes, it was slime bag. Are you kidding me? He, this notable, legendary Hollywood director, stepped into not only throw sand in your face, but to help someone that had been arrested on unspeakable charges.
Speaker 3:Mm, hmm, yep. On the freaking once the film was because I still had to go and do all the overdubs. So, after he was arrested, so I still had a month's worth of work at Coppola's house every single day for you know, eight or nine hours every day for a month. Wow, where it's which time I was like blackballed, told I never work in the industry again. Sure, you know, like all sorts of stuff, and you know, oh man, yeah, it was incredible.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's crazy, right. That's incredibly frustrating. I can't imagine the pain the family fell in him. I just like fucked up, that's corrupt, yeah well it's crazy.
Speaker 1:And you know what that means? It means that this fucking Francis, yeah, yeah, francis Ford Coppola is 100% a fucking pedophile. Yeah, francis is like 110%, like there's no doubt about it. But yeah, he only served, yeah, 13 months, 13 or 15 months from a three year sentence and then after that he had worked on Disney and he eventually makes Jeepers, creepers 1, 2 and 3. And it's been on record in interviews where he said that, you know, he thought he was the victim. He was like those were the scariest ones in my life. I was getting beat up because people heard what I did. Thank God that Francis Ford Coppola was telling me that this was going to make me a better artist.
Speaker 1:Blah, blah, blah, um, and Francis Ford Coppola stands by that. He like twists the narrative that it is is very like it is, it's true, where prison is not for rehabilitation. Prison is where people rot and die, and that's kind of been a problem with prison for a long time, you know. And he uses that against the people because he's like, oh no, he needs to be rehabilitated, he's cured for all his things and he's a great artist, blah, blah, blah. And that's not the case whatsoever, oh no, and there's a lot of talking on the internet like, oh, can you separate art and the artists? You know, I mean, this is talked with our Kelly's and his songs and Michael Jackson and you know his songs. You know, you know that's not fully proven yet, but I don't even know.
Speaker 2:That, that, that that ideology depends on, like the person. I mean, if you're a victim of that individual and you hear his art Musically or you think you see it, that's gonna, it's gonna hurt you. You can't, you can't stand by by the art, separate artists by the artistry, but like other people, you know they can't cuz they have nothing to do with him. You know, like for our Kelly yeah, fuck, what are Kelly? They say, like no matter what, you know, I mean, his music is great, but they were the victim they wanted they wouldn't be saying that, you know.
Speaker 4:Yeah, so it definitely depends.
Speaker 2:A varies from a lot of individuals and a lot of people have their different perspective on it.
Speaker 1:Before you even get into that conversation, let's be real. This fucking guy's not even fucking talented like that. Like this guy's not.
Speaker 2:Not that good, I mean. I mean, I could just tell from his other movies. That's just not.
Speaker 1:Even, even Jeepers, creepers, the whole Concept or in the beginning of the movie where you know there's these two people and they saw somebody dump a body and they got the license plate down because that person got mad and like random off the road. That's not even original, that's. That's a real life case. It was inspired by something I was in an episode of unsolved mysteries in like 1990 when you know Dennis DePew, a former Michigan property Like owner, was driving by Florida and they found somebody dumping a body and then they it rode, rage them, they memorized the license plate and they called the cops and they found out he was like. That was not even original. It's guys, not a genius in any sense, right the word you know. But yeah, and this is you know. I'm glad we decided to Review the movie because otherwise we never fucking know him bro and we got to spread the awareness to about this guy. Yeah, this guy's. We never would have known that this guy was. It's crazy.
Speaker 1:We got a we got to address his, his, his wickedness and Francis Ford couple and both of that guy is that guy's a fucking If equally as evil as this guy. Yeah, so people should should be aware.
Speaker 2:It's good that we're informative so people will know forever To never support these guys ever again for the rest of the lives.
Speaker 1:Yo, we're weird and fucking. I don't know. He won't ever dare to make another movie, though I'll tell you that one. Oh, definitely neither. Yeah, I don't think either of them. I don't know about friends, I don't know what he's up to, let's see. But if Victor Salva decided to make a movie right now, he would not make it. Oh yeah, I don't think he's doing anything recent. I mean that guy's pretty old.
Speaker 2:Right there's his four couple. Yeah, I would dizzy, Is he. Is he like Clint Eastwood, age Good?
Speaker 1:question Hopefully, dice. Oh, he has an upcoming mega lapolis. Oh, I heard about that. Yeah, watch that shit. And architect wants to rebuild New York City as the utopia following a devastating disaster.
Speaker 2:Isn't that based on the old movie? Mega lapolis was like all this movie right back in the day. Is that like a remake?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think so, and the stars are right now Shia LaBeouf, aubrey Plaza. Hey right, I can't watch it, though dog Can't do it. This guy's a fucking, actual real life criminal. I don't think it was a movie beforehand, but he did write the script in like the 1980s, oh, so it wasn't an old movie because when I heard it it was like let's see the one, the black and white.
Speaker 2:AJ, I might be wrong, though I'll be super wrong.
Speaker 1:Apparently, they started actually doing a pre-production for the film with Robert Gennaro and Uma Thurman, but it was all in New York and then 9-11 happened and they just can't do it. Wow, yeah, anyways, that guy's a fucking message society. So, as great as that sounds, I'm not fucking watching that shit, and I'm. I'm not even gonna look up Victor Salva, because I'm positive he's not doing a shit forever. Good, I wonder if these people know. I wonder if Shia LaBeouf and Audrey Plaza know what the fuck they probably don't, so what they probably do know.
Speaker 2:But they just got to do it for business and for money. That's good.
Speaker 1:Now I mean, I don't think Shia LaBeouf or Audrey Plaza both need to make any more money, desperately that they got a fucking follow-up Pito. I think it's just don't know, maybe it's a good ass story.
Speaker 2:You just don't know, that could definitely be a huge reason. I mean, yeah, you mean the Godfather. I give him that. You know, that's.
Speaker 1:Fucking fuck that guy and I have doesn't matter. If you guys do want to find out more about this whole Victor Salva thing, I think there's this YouTube video, the case of Victor Salva by dreading. It was a really good video. They talk about it in much more depth than we do, that, as you know. But other than that, I haven't seen that much information on this. I think all that information just came out on the latter end of last year, so it's pretty recent. Other than that, you know, I don't think there's much more we got to say about people's creepers, but yeah for the next, next.
Speaker 2:Oh no, I was gonna say yeah, it's overall. The franchise is not a good franchise. I would say it's really not. It's. I would just see, just see the first one, if you want, really want to, and then Just pretend it's happily ever after, if you really want to you know, it's not worth saying second.
Speaker 2:Third is not continuity. The characters not even cool. It's really not worth it. It's sincerely not worth it at all. Like it's not even a good bad movie. Like you know how there's bad movies that are good and you can laugh at. It's not these. It's not at all, so don't waste your time true, it's very true.
Speaker 1:All right, what are you thinking about for next week? So?
Speaker 2:well, well, we're watching theaters. We got to do the movies, you watching theaters. Oh my god, barbie's coming out this week. I think Barbie and open high.
Speaker 1:Are you gonna forget about how? You're gonna forget about open?
Speaker 2:I'm gonna stop this week, it's next week. Oh, it's now. Okay, it's not this weekend, it's next week. They're coming out the same day. Holy shit, primo, yeah, primo, I can't wait.
Speaker 1:Well, we'll discuss what's what's coming out for the next episode.
Speaker 2:Watch a movie. Some theaters. Yeah, we watched spider-verse and we watched the Flash, so we'll do on them. We haven't done some modern movies in a while in little shorts.
Speaker 1:Little shorts. I definitely think flash this didn't get the. Well, you know people don't like DC right now and I get it, but I think I was pretty good man. Michael Keen's Batman how can you beat that? That shit was like so nostalgic, yeah. And and that action scene that Michael Keen has has to be one of the greatest Batman action scenes has ever occurred in the history of history.
Speaker 1:Wait, which one there was many, the one where he, when he comes down in the tower, what the only, honestly the biggest action scene that Michael Keen has when they're saving Supergirl, when they first get into the thing. That scene was crazy bro. We were losing our minds in that. Yeah, it was pretty good. That shit was amazing. It wasn't just pretty girls amazing.
Speaker 2:I don't know man, that's just pretty good, what's? A better action scene, batman action scene than that better, I mean. I mean I think they're all the same the dark night. I mean they're all good, they're all enjoyably good. I think I don't have any preference, what's better or worse, I'm gonna come back out.
Speaker 1:Look see if I can find a clip, if I can find a clip of that Batman fighting and I'm a re-show team, I'm like, okay, yeah, that she was fire, that was good. And they had that one really funny scene where he moves. We're like the young Ezra Miller moves, the older I'm sorry, barry Allen. The young Barry Allen moves, the older Barry Allen and he's like did you move me? He's like, yeah, just a little bit, and he starts throwing up. That shows hilarious.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was generally funny. They got me there Even the way he vomited was like Screaming.
Speaker 1:No, I didn't think that movie was that bad, but you know DC has fucked up so much it's, you know it's it's. It's hard to get the trust back from the people who have gone time and time again to watch a movie that they thought were gonna be good and honestly, I wasn't a big fan of even the ones that did well in theaters. I wasn't a big fan of Wonder Woman, I definitely wasn't a big fan.
Speaker 2:Aquaman was, was the 1984 was like yo, I wish that something, something, something, and I wish of that in this. They had to do it like our wishes, right yeah?
Speaker 1:do wishes and and she beats him by monologuing they're gonna beat his ass. She monologues him, it's and. And then he's just like you're right and he Was in there, right he was.
Speaker 2:He was a villain. I know there's two villains there was the cat lady and then there was him. I could have stolen his pet. Yeah, I like Pedro's role, oh.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, look, I love Pedro Pascal, so I'm not gonna dog him that much, or I can tell you that movie was not that With the script, I mean the writing was just yeah and, oh my god, batman vs Superman wasn't good, the best.
Speaker 2:Superman was epic, it was all right, it was okay.
Speaker 1:The best thing was the fucking Batman action scene in the warehouse.
Speaker 1:Oh, Bro he's literally just Scrambled, scrambled eggs for brains to like ten people in a row, bro. There's this one scene in Batman vs Superman, bro, and in the fighting shed scene where, if you haven't seen it, yeah, I don't even know go watch right now. It's, though, it's the best scene, the movie where he fucking battering Not battering he be grappling hooks a box and he throws it in the corner like directly hits the head of one of the henchmen, yeah, and then he goes flying and then crashes against the wall.
Speaker 2:That guy is so, yeah, that guy is the most dead one, how heavy that box was.
Speaker 1:Well, that was well. When I saw shit live, I like I fell back. I was like no way, guys.
Speaker 2:People in the beginning of the movie.
Speaker 1:Thing, but that's brutal. Like there's murdering people, shooting somebody with a gun, and then there's like I'm gonna throw this big-ass Box hundred pound box cornered to your head. You know it's kind of like getting shot sucks. We're sort of stepping on a Lego. You know, that's like a certain pain. I feel like that box was just a really cruel way to kill somebody.
Speaker 2:No, man, that was great man.
Speaker 1:I didn't, I never seen.
Speaker 2:Aquaman, but I want to see it.
Speaker 1:Aquaman's not that good bro. The best thing about Aquaman is that fucking William de Frenzen it. William, my friend will am my friend William de friend. Will him the friend bro.
Speaker 2:I don't know you was.
Speaker 1:That's just what else. Black black he's like very minor. Oh, black Adam was okay, it wasn't that bad. The Justice Society was really cool in black and got him. That was the best part of the movie and I think I feel like that didn't, that didn't get enough, like.
Speaker 2:Sam, I didn't see that, yeah.
Speaker 1:The first she's in was alright. The second, she jam, was alright. No, those weren't that good either. I don't know. That didn't deserve any type of loose.
Speaker 2:You lose on the second one. That's great.
Speaker 1:Honestly, I didn't finish watch a second one, so I can't say you know, yeah, and you know what it is. I just can't take. I can't take Shazam serious. I don't like him as a superhero. It's. He's not very. He's not super me. I don't know what his powers are. Yeah he's like all right, except fucking. If you cover his mouth before he turns into Sam, you fucking one. Yeah, that's great, one second. Let me just look in the then.
Speaker 2:So Then I'm gonna make like a shazam versus black Adam movie. Is that never gonna happen?
Speaker 1:I think that is something that they were. James Gunn got it. They were leaning towards yeah, but James comes up, do it. I think he's scrapping everything, though Honestly, I mean I can't play, yeah, but uh, just a society in in black Adam. Have you seen black Adam?
Speaker 2:No oh.
Speaker 1:They're really cool. Dr Destiny is amazing. Or you know? Destiny? No, don't fuck, what have you? He's great, played by Pierce Brosnan. Um, hawk man, who should be lame, is fucking cool as fuck. Yeah, and he's, he's cool man. They did a good job with him. Adam smash your cyclone are also in there. Just society, you know one of the lesser known DC things and they did a good job with that. So black Adam, not too bad. What else? Well, the movies. The Justice League movie was fucking trash. Zack Snyder is not good.
Speaker 2:Did you see the director? I think I had a director cut.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I watched the directors cut too and it was still not good. It was more disappointing to me Then. Not only was it not good now, or just so, what's the word like? So Average, that Like? It means nothing to me. I'm like indifferent. I'm I'm frustratingly indifferent when I watched it and now I watched a four-hour version and it was just a waste of time. Zack Snyder is not that good like Zack Snyder. 300 was great watchman, pretty cool, but a daughter, the dead, fucking one of my favorite zombie movies in one time. Second punch other than that.
Speaker 2:Man of steel is okay, that's. It was like.
Speaker 1:I was like that. She was epic yeah, it really was like but it was like too much like I was. It was like one of those movies where I wasn't even sure if Superman was a good guy. Buddy on the movie she's super many use you murdered. I mean like Buildings were getting collapsed during these fights. It was crazy.
Speaker 2:Are you gonna use? He's come out with another one, though, called rebel moon. It says when a colony on the edge of the galaxy find itself threatened by the armies of a tyrannical region by the Sirius, it dispatch a young man with the mysterious path to seek out warriors from neighboring planets. To help them take a stand. Screenplay and directed by, and cinematography and produced by yeah, and has. Anthony.
Speaker 1:Hopkins, oh yeah, yeah, I don't give a fuck, bro Zack Snyder, you, you're not getting me again, bro, I watched too much. You've disappointed. You know I'm a Batman fan, you're a Batman fan and you, you. Yeah, we're huge, huge, and maybe that's a big reason we like flash. But I think everybody can agree Michael Keaton's amazing.
Speaker 2:I mean you should watch it. I mean was just overall, batman was the highlight of that movie, literally.
Speaker 1:In the movie, like a large majority of the movie. So it's not even like, oh, that's the only good part. Like no, that.
Speaker 2:That's why the movie is good but you Carry the whole movie should have been.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's the point of failure. They should have been the flash multiverse that's.
Speaker 2:That's what the name should have been. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but Not what he did to Batman in the Justice League movies. Over good boy to me he was just that may was so not important and so lame. Honestly, yeah, it was. It was fucked up because if you can make Captain America who is so much lame, or then Then Batman, if you make America good and important and badass in the Avengers movies, you could make Batman relevant and good in the Justice League movie you could.
Speaker 2:Agree, let me see discography Just coming. My bad is Cattle are like easy, yeah I.
Speaker 4:Well, yeah, I mean yes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he has rebel. Won't coming out as Anthony Hopkins. That's like this Can you see, sucker punch.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's awesome. I thought those are right. The actual is kind of cool, but it was like a knob, very like, and they was. You know it's deep, but Was that army of dead trash movie?
Speaker 2:Oh man, army of the dead, it's on Netflix. Yeah, I was that, was it Netflix? But?
Speaker 1:I don't know if I wanted to watch you. Watch it. Watch it. Watch it right now. Watch after this 67 whoa. Don't know the dead, though. That's my favorite. That's one of my favorite zombie movies. Was that really good? Hell, yeah, good. It's a dream. Zombie apocalypse you get stuck in the mall to survive. That's cool. That's the only down to the gun. Right, there's a land of the dead. Yeah, no, there's no like continuation up.
Speaker 4:The cool is though.
Speaker 2:All right, yeah, you got got. He's got a. I mean my scar Zach's night. You got a got a. You know rebel moon man. So watch out for the new episode of round potatoes on rebel I'd rather fucking, supuku Fucking.
Speaker 1:If I ever see Zach's night, he better fucking. Then real men, decide me to my fucking face bro. He doesn't be the first thing he says to me. They're fucking go mend the side of me. Sorry for everything I've done to you and Batman fans across.
Speaker 2:What if he cast you on one of his movies? He's like you know, I see us potential as what as uh, I don't know he gave you a lot of money for being an extra.
Speaker 1:If you make, a male, montoya, I'm in, I'll kill that role, okay? Oh man, she's the current commissioner in the current, so you'll work with them. I Well, I work. I mean, will I work with them? I'm just a peon. Will I work with them? It depends. After read the script, I'm not gonna sell myself. Okay, At least I'd hope so. Who knows if he comes up to me.
Speaker 1:Really good. That's what I'm saying. That's tough stuff for me to say no to that. Guys, I'm broke. I'm broke. Let's say you know so, fucking this guy and fucking Shia LaBeouf, making you know this. France Capella movie, francis Ford Capel movie, coppola movie it's not like that. They don't need that money. I need money. I.
Speaker 2:Need money, you'll say go money site to him after after he gives you the hundred dollar, a hundred million dollar contract. Sorry, I said all those things to you, zach.
Speaker 1:I'll be like no, zach, I stand by, just yeah unless he unless the contract says I apologize. In which case, yes, fucking. Raw tomatoes episode. Raw potatoes episode. Fucking, only notes one I'm like yo, everything I said about the fucking cinematic Don't. I did say, though, 300. That's a fucking, that's a banger. You know don't of the dead banger. I'm not saying this guy's not talented, I'm just saying that he doesn't know shit about DC Comics. That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 2:So that's why he's coming rebel moon. I don't know what that based on. Stop it.
Speaker 1:Stop it. So if you say rebel moon one more time and we don't get sponsored by them, At least he's starting new man.
Speaker 2:Fuck, that's verse. I'm so glad the the end of the air was now and the end of the what's my Snyder's Snyder's era.
Speaker 1:Snyder's Snyder versus over baby James Gunn town Suicide squad. Love James Gunn suicide squad. That's one of the. That's the best DC movie.
Speaker 2:You don't like the original one right at all. Really, you're not like Will Smith. Yeah, I love.
Speaker 1:I love. I know he's all fucked up right now.
Speaker 2:Like fully recovered.
Speaker 1:Recovered. You know, I mean you never did the right. First of all, he's rich, isn't? It doesn't matter, he won. I'm just saying I don't know who he is as a person, but he seems cool. But I love him in movies. I love him a movie.
Speaker 2:I actually like the first Suicide Squad. I didn't think. It was horrible, like people were like oh my god, this is the worst shit ever received. And then I'm watching the ending was the ending. I remember the ending. They build them out right like Jerry, let it'll build. They got built out, but how they quenched some shit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, and like it was, like the. The slow-mo scene was so slow mo that it it was. It was. It was too much, bro. I remember literally watching in theaters during the slow-mo. I was like this should stop me. I want to go home.
Speaker 2:I'm ready to go home now. Yeah, anything, it was that bad, I Enjoyed it. It was alright man.
Speaker 1:Will Smith is dead shot, that's. Yeah, that was a great cast. He did great, I agree. Um, so he did great, but so did fucking egress. So I mean, I mean you want to make a character cool cast him is black, hey, I mean.
Speaker 2:I'm in. Did you like polka dot man? He was the main reason why the star fell down you contributed a lot.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, I mean I was a match. I was a match that's like real I. I read the comics. I'm a fan.
Speaker 2:Seriously, they did a really great job, like all the characters are well-written. I'm so glad the oh yeah, they were so unique. I like them.
Speaker 1:the rat catcher too, and you know she was all David, david dash Malekian I think that's how you pronounce the last name who plays polka dot man and also is in the dark nights. Um, really you?
Speaker 4:know kind of has like that creepy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's using the dark nights, the.
Speaker 2:Christopher.
Speaker 1:Nolan.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah.
Speaker 1:He plays is like the unstable guy who keeps escaping from fucking Arkham asylum. I'll, I'll, I'll show you. Clip it either way. Look this guy. If you guys don't know he is. I'm a photo picture. I mean, higher up talk wasn't for the way this guy looks. It's like either I can't tell I call him rat man or man rat, because it's either a man turning into a rat or a rat training. I can't tell you which is which. I can't tell you which side. I don't know which is happening, what process of the button button is happening. But it's true, but he did a great job of spoke about man.
Speaker 2:What was that? I want to look it up right here. Oh, prisoners yeah, his role in prisoners was amazing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I like, I like a lot of great movie. It's a good movie good villain.
Speaker 2:For sure, play the shit out of that guy good movie any who.
Speaker 1:Ladies, gentlemen, thank you for joining us on another episode of fucking real rom potatoes, where we rate rom tomato scores and then find out the average for the real feel. We had a. We had a good time. We didn't, we didn't, we didn't know this is gonna happen.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was half Jeepers. Creepers have talking shit about Scott Snyder, have it was Jeepers gears, but really it was just.
Speaker 1:Don't ever watch, you was, here was again. Don't ever support France for capital. Don't ever support Victor salva episode.
Speaker 2:You and get ready for the snack Snyder movie. Yeah, december, stop it.