Embracing Empathic Sensitivity: A Deep Dive into Emotional Freedom Technique (EFT) with Jennifer Moore

Hello beautiful souls! Have you ever stopped to wonder how your childhood experiences shape your adult worldview? How do you deal with your emotions, whether they're fear, sadness, distress or pain? I'm beyond excited to invite Jennifer Moore, a highly sensitive empath, and author of Empathic Mastery, into our space today. Jennifer is here to share her personal journey and offer insights that could change your perspective on life.

Our conversation with Jennifer takes us into the fascinating world of empathic sensitivity, touching on the Emotional Freedom Techniques (EFT). Jennifer not only explains how EFT taps into our energetic system and releases emotional blocks, but also provides a practical demonstration. We go a step further to explore the huge potential of EFT for helping children, even infants, to process emotions more effectively. You'll be surprised at the transformational power of EFT, especially for empaths.

Lastly, we delve into an often overlooked aspect - self-love, self-acceptance, and self-validation. With Jennifer's guidance, we discuss the importance of recognizing our physical and emotional needs. As we wrap up, we view human experience through the metaphor of a banquet hall filled with long utensils, illustrating the power of perspective and abundance. Don't miss out on the chance to win a distance healing session and course from Jennifer and Laura Michelle Powers. Sign up, tune in, and let's awaken the empath within.

To get in touch with Jennifer :

Website:
https://empathicmastery.com/

Jennifer's Podcast:
https://open.spotify.com/show/0f0Hd0x1XE1DWftyHnF9Im?si=Ooecm-zvS4uFRiKq8U2-3w

Jennifer's Gold Medal Winner Book:

Empathic Mastery: A 5-Step System to Go from Emotional Hot Mess to Thriving Success https://a.co/d/5ymE0wy

Jennifer is a co-author of the following books:

The Energy Healer’s Oracle: Tools for Total Transformation https://a.co/d/7mTHyyo
Evolving on Purpose : Co-creating with the Universe 

To reach me:

Kelly Matthews on Facebook

@kellymatthews840 Instagram

enlightenandelevatewithkelly@gmail.com 

Don't forget to send me a screenshot of a review you leave on Apple podcasts for a chance to win a Distance Reiki healing with a card pull and Celebrity Psychic Laura Michelle Powers Online Angels course.  A $350 value! The winner will be drawn at the end of November 2023. 

Thank you so much for listening!

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:04

Welcome beautiful souls to another episode of In Lying in Elevate we have a wonderful guest who is known as the Fury Godmother to empaths. We discuss what it means to be an empath. We also dive deep into EFT emotional freedom technique and how you can use it to heal and deal with the struggles empaths face. This episode is so special. Our guest even does an exercise to help a person become more present in their body using EFT points. It's absolutely incredible. Thank you for being here and enjoy this episode.

Speaker 2: 0:42

Welcome soul family. I am so excited to welcome the lovely and beautiful Jennifer Moore today. She is an accomplished healer. She is the author of Empathic Mastery and also the podcast host of Empathic Mastery. Welcome, jennifer.

Speaker 3: 1:00

Oh, kelly, thank you so much for having me. I am really excited to be here.

Speaker 2: 1:06

Oh, I'm so excited to have you. Jennifer, tell us a bit about yourself and what brought you to write Empathic.

Speaker 3: 1:12

Mastery? I'll start with that question because it's easier than telling you about myself, because I'm like, where the hell did I even begin with that? What brought me to writing the book Empathic Mastery is that I have been a highly sensitive empathic person empath really my entire life and I struggled mightily with picking up the thoughts, the feelings, the sensation and the energies that are coming from the world around me. What I didn't understand when I was younger is that my personal definition of an empath is that an empath is somebody who, like a psychic or a medium or an intuitive like, has the capacity for extra sensory perception and has the capacity to pick up all kinds of information that is coming from the world around them. But, unlike people who are just like psychic or intuitive, empaths process that information as if it's their own, and so, where a psychic could be like, walk into a room and be like, wow, it feels like something really intense happened in here. I think somebody must have been really sick and died in here. Or wow, I really get the sense there was a major blowout, like people, like there's so much anger in here. The empath walks into the room and says, oh my God, why do I suddenly feel so sad. Oh my God, why do I suddenly feel so sick? Why do I suddenly feel so angry and so confused and so scared?

Speaker 3: 2:40

And for many of us who are empaths and who are raised in this culture where there isn't a lot of emotional literacy, where there and there's a lot of people who go along to get along and who also were just kind of like everything's fine here, nothing to see here, folks pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. Move along, folks. That my experience and what I've all of the people I've interviewed, lots of people who are empaths and worked with lots of people or empaths and one of the things that seems to be a fairly consistent thing is that we were invalidated and received a. Basically the message you are picking you are too sensitive, you are overreacting, you are taking things too personally, you are making too big a deal out of it, you've got an overactive imagination. You need to develop a tougher skin, stop thinking about it, stop worrying about it, you know. But also like you're making shit up. This is not real, it's all on you.

Speaker 3: 3:39

And so for many of us, we picked things up that were real, that were happening, but we got no validation for it. And so what that started to do was created this deep sense of doubt and confusion and also a sense of like there must be something wrong with me, I must be broken, because I'm feeling all this, but everybody else is telling me I shouldn't be, I'm just too sensitive. And why am I worrying about this? What's my problem? And what I noticed is that this does is that it does a number of things, but especially does two things. One is it makes us think we're broken. It makes us think that we have to fix ourselves, that there's something wrong with us and that the problem is entirely internal. And then the second part is that because, unlike psychics and intuitives, who often can get like confirmation and validation that what they've picked up is accurate, we pick things up and when people are constantly saying that's not real, we then doubt ourselves, we doubt our intuition, we doubt the information that is coming to us and that, I think, really impacts and influences our ability to use our gifts later in life, because we were told from a very, very early age on that these gifts are hooey, that they don't work, that we're just too sensitive. Long story, obviously, or long explanation.

Speaker 3: 5:05

The reason I wrote this book is that I know what it feels like to feel broken. I know what it feels like to struggle. I know what it feels like to doubt yourself. I know what it feels like to wake up and feel completely out of sorts and have no idea why.

Speaker 3: 5:23

And I wanted to create a resource that could help other highly sensitive empaths not have to go through the slog that I went through not have to struggle for 30 years of their life before they started to find any kind of answers. So I wrote this book for the younger version of myself. I wrote this book for the really like the nine year old who had her first prophetic dream. I wrote this book. But especially I wrote this book for like the young, struggling like late teens, early 20s woman that I was, who was so confused and who just felt so broken and so just lost in the world. So I wrote this book for her. But I also wrote it for all of the other people I've run into over the years who didn't know why they were feeling the way they were feeling and really needed like how do I navigate this world?

Speaker 3: 6:20

So when I first started thinking about this book, I was originally going to call it basically the care and feeding of your psychic self when living in a muggle world, and because what I realized is that so many people who struggle with oh just struggle are struggling because of their empathic sensitivity. And I also wrote this because I'm a strong believer in reincarnation and multiple lives and other things like that. So I know this ain't my first rodeo and, sadly, this is ain't my last rodeo either that I will come back, and so I wrote this book for my future self. I wrote this book so that there was a resource that hopefully I will find my way to, that I will discover the audio book that I recorded that I will be able to listen to when I'm like a 15 year old or 16 year or 17 year old or 20 year old in another lifetime and I'm like, oh, that makes sense. That's what motivated me to write this book. So long answer, but covers a lot of material.

Speaker 2: 7:25

Oh, jennifer, I love that, I absolutely love that. I didn't myself realize I was an empath until I was an adult. Yeah Well, into adulthood I went through a spiritual awakening a few years ago and I started doing spiritual development and that's when I started to recognize that I was and I was working with, actually, laura Michelle Powers, a mutual object of ours. She said to me Kelly, do you realize that 95% of what you feel is really not yours? And I had no idea. And then we started working through tools and exercises so that I didn't feel that way, and it really made a huge difference.

Speaker 3: 8:11

I mean, it's a complete game changer. And I want to hold up two things that you just said. One is that you talked about not knowing. You're an empath, and that is something that I will say.

Speaker 3: 8:22

I have heard that for so many people, so many people, that, for one thing, the word is only just now coming into our vocabulary in a way that's like making it across, like it's getting broader and broader. But even with that, different people have very, very different definitions of what the word means. Like I was talking with somebody the other day and I was like, well, how, what do you define it as? And they were defining it as sort of like this person with kind of special magical abilities, who has just kind of the special shine, and that people are just really attracted to and drawn to them. And while I do agree that there's past parts of that, they didn't necessarily identify empaths as people who are actually absorbing and processing other people's feelings, and for me that's like the very core of what an empath is. And so what I realized is like we don't even have a common definition of this word and, depending on where you find out about it like you might find something on TikTok or you might find something on the internet or maybe you watched a Star Trek episode. Different people are going to have slightly different interpretations of it. I've had a very similar experience with people where most people I know don't necessarily recognize themselves as empaths, until somebody like Laura or me comes along and says you know, most of what you're processing right now is not your own Like. That's why this is so hard. And the thing is, when you're processing or you're trying to process somebody else's stuff, it doesn't work like it doesn't move. In the same way, you cannot reconcile somebody else's anxiety. You cannot reconcile somebody else's depression. No amount of trying to work it through for yourself is going to make it better, which adds a whole other level of why is this so hard? It's so hard because it's not ours, like we don't have the leverage to do the kind of lifting necessary to address the issue. The call is not coming from inside the house. It's got to be addressed in a different way. I also just wanted to acknowledge like I run into so many people who've kind of had their. A lot of women seem to hit their forties and come into that spiritual awakening. I have met a lot of them.

Speaker 3: 10:38

I personally was really lucky. I saw the original Star Trek episode called the empath when I was like 11 or 12 years old and was like I knew it, like I could identify. Ironically the character is named Gem, like my initials are. Gem stands for Jennifer Elizabeth Moore, so I thought that was really funny. But like I was about 18 when somebody was like you're an empath, and so I was really in hindsight, like most people I know did not ever have somebody flag them like that.

Speaker 3: 11:07

I was 18 when somebody actually I wasn't even 18. I was 17 years old, like almost 18, but 17 years old when somebody flagged me and said you're an empath. So I was beyond, beyond lucky. But in a way I actually think I've talked with women and it seems to me like when you come into it, like you wake up, like you've been asleep and you suddenly wake up at 40. I can only imagine how much more shocking that is than for somebody who, like I, was born into it, like slowly but surely, like the temperature has been increasing through my entire life. I didn't necessarily have one of those shocking awakenings that a lot of people I run into do. It's just so fascinating, like that dance of finding out where empaths, but also the relationship to that spiritual awakening.

Speaker 2: 11:57

Yes, and then, once you learn the tools, and then you learn things, you never look at anything the same way. Never, never, yeah, you never do.

Speaker 3: 12:06

No, I mean, it's kind of like you can't let the genie up, you can't push the genie back into the bottle, like once it's out. There it is.

Speaker 2: 12:14

Exactly Well, jennifer. You use EFT to heal and help people work through the trauma, absorbing everything that's going on around them, and even in the collective, because, even though we don't want to necessarily Absorb what's going on out in the world, we do. We do you want to talk about EFT.

Speaker 3: 12:34

Which for people?

Speaker 2: 12:35

who are listening. Is emotional freedom technique, right Right.

Speaker 3: 12:39

So EFT, like you said, stands for emotional freedom techniques, and the simplest way to think about it is that it's kind of like a mental and emotional form of acupuncture without the needles and EFT started. I mean, I could go into the origins, but I'll keep it fairly short and sweet. There was a man named Roger Callahan who discovered that if you tapped on certain endpoint acupuncture meridians while focusing on an issue, it could change somebody's experience of this, and so he created this very complicated system called TFT thought field therapy that was involved like what he called algorithms, where he had different patterns like if it's about this, then you're gonna do this sequence of tapping, if it's about this, you're gonna do this sequence of tapping. And then, basically, this Gentleman, gary Craig, who was a Stanford engineer from California. He happened to come along. He was a lifelong learner, passionate, enthusiast about learning. He happened to come along and discovered Callahan's program and asked and took it and Gary, being an engineer, was like how can I make this simpler? How can I turn this into something that is actually like, doesn't involve like a hundred different protocols, depending on what the issue is? And so what Gary did was that he took the concepts that Callahan had created and sometime in the I don't have the exact dates, but like sort of towards the like the Mid 80s to early 90s. I think it was like it somewhere in the 80s when Gary first discovered it, but it really started to take purchase in the late 80s and early 90s. Gary basically came up with what everybody calls now the basic recipe, which is many people, even if they're not really fully familiar with EFT If you've ever discovered like a tapping video or run into it Most people are using what Gary calls the basic recipe.

Speaker 3: 14:38

And so the thing about it is that for some reason, when we tap on these Acupuncture meridians the end points of these different meridians on our face, on our torso, on our hands what happens is we are, I think of it, almost like an ultrasonic cleaner. That is kind of like shaking energy in our system loose. I'm imagining your audience is everybody like. We're all energy. We all understand that.

Speaker 3: 15:08

But the thing is we can experience Events that cause us to congest and contract, and when something happens in our life that causes us to contract in fear or sadness or distress or pain, what ends up happening is we lock that Congested energy into our energy system, into our body and we start to create what Gary calls, which are basically these kind of like short circuits in our energy system that then inhibit our ability to feel our feelings freely and easily but also will cause us to form what any of T we call unhelpful conclusions. Like we start forming ideas about the nature of the universe, what the world means, and we start telling ourselves stories about the safety of the world versus the danger of the world, about things like maybe we have an experience where, like, we're very small and we get humiliated in kindergarten or something, and then we have that experience and we interpret it as and form an unhelpful conclusion which is I'm not lovable, I'm not worthy, I don't deserve this. And then it's like 35, 40, 50 years later we're struggling as spiritual healers or empathic entrepreneurs or you know, just even like trying to do whatever, and we're like why can't I succeed? Why can't I get this out there? Why can't I do this stuff? And it all has its roots back in the 32nd event that happened in kindergarten with some mean kindergarten teacher.

Speaker 3: 16:47

And so the beautiful thing about EFT is that, by tapping on these meridians, while focusing on either a physical sensation, an emotional issue, a limiting belief, food sensitivity or a craving or a difficult past event or traumatic past event. What we can do is we can shift that digestion and loosen it up and release it so the energy flows freely and what we end up doing is we Re-regulate our fight or flight mechanism within our mind and within our, you know, within our brain. There's a part of our brain called the amygdala, which is the part of us is in the limbic brain, the emotional brain, and the amygdala is in charge of our fight, flight or freeze responses and it basically causes cascades, like it causes us to release stress hormones, cortisol and adrenaline into our body. Our ancestors, if they were in a state of stress, they would have either fought physically or Fleeed or Possibly, in the worst case scenario, frozen. But most of the time human beings, as a species, like if we were Experiencing a threat if there's a saber-tooth tiger, you're gonna run away from it. But in modern society what has happened is we experience these theoretical, like symbolic threats all the time, but that do not require any kind of exertion to get ourselves out of it.

Speaker 3: 18:19

And so we are, as a species, right now in kind of a perpetual state of stress response, where we get where something happens and it triggers a stress reaction that sends Cascades of cortisol and adrenaline through our system. And Because we are not running, we are not fighting, we are not doing anything with our physical body to shake it off. What happens is we get in these perpetual loops of stress and the amygdala it's kind of like. I think of it as like a restaurant door into the kitchen. It's kind of constantly propped open and all of this stress hormones are just continuously coursing through. What tapping does is it turns off the amygdala and it stops us from producing those stress hormones and saying danger will Robinson, danger, we're in trouble, things are wrong. This is a really big problem.

Speaker 3: 19:16

I need to fix it, and what it allows us to do is to stop the fight or flight mechanism From going when we do not need it to be going and allows us to reset that the amygdala, the part of our brain that's in charge of that, and allows us to actually Like be able to relax again. And the thing is, when we can relax, we can see many different options. When we are stressed, everything becomes like it goes if we go into tunnel vision and we become reactive. So EFT allows us to relax. Eft, you know instead of being tense. Eft allows us to respond instead of react. Eft allows us to see different perspectives and recognize that the conclusion that we formed as a five-year-old about the nature of the universe was formed from an emotional standpoint of an immature five-year-old. But that that's not reality and we can start seeing the world through a different lens and we can have what any EFT we call reframes and, in a broader term, would be called a cognitive shift, where suddenly we can Understand things. We can be like.

Speaker 3: 20:37

You know, I was working with a student of mine a while ago and they had a memory from when they were five where they had been sent to the grocery store to pick up a food item that their father wanted them to get. Now, why did the father send a five-year-old to the store without them? That's an interesting question, but that's not mine to say or not. But they went to buy themselves with a pocketful of money to the local corner market with an assignment to come back with a thing. They were five years old, they could not even see up on the top of the shelves, they didn't, they couldn't read, so they didn't necessarily know what they were going to get and they came back with the wrong thing, and their father, who was a fairly abusive person, reacted very badly and was just like you got the wrong thing, you have to go back and get the best, the right thing.

Speaker 3: 21:25

Up until we tapped on this and this is a person in their 50s up until we tapped on this, their Interpretation of that experience and their conclusion was that they were a bad child who had screwed up and who had messed up Because they went and they got the wrong can of thing. When we tapped on it suddenly they were like holy shit, I was five. I was too short to be able to reach the shelves or to be able to see things I could not read. What was my father doing? Sending me to a store without him in the first place? And how in any universe was I to blame for this choice?

Speaker 3: 22:03

That was basically a boneheaded decision of my father's to send a five-year-old to the grocery store, and so the cognitive shift went from a lifelong belief that they were to blame and at fault For bringing back the wrong thing from the grocery store to being like you know what? I was five. I did the very best I could. It took a lot of guts for me, a five-year-old, to like Go down to the grocery store and ask people for help and figure all of this out. I am resilient. I like rocked this. They were able to shift that perspective from this place of like feeling like they were at fault To actually really letting themselves off the hook but also really seeing like how they handled this like a rock star as a five-year-old.

Speaker 2: 22:52

That's a really interesting story and it just goes to show how doing this work can really reprogram and then reframe your way, and then that also reframes how you look at everything else, everything else.

Speaker 3: 23:03

Yes, these deep things, this stuff that's in, you know, underneath the surface that we're carrying around, it is amazing. You know, a lot of times like people, I think tend to look at the world and think in terms of, like it's the big tea, traumas, that, like that's what messed me up I gotta say, yes, those things really do deeply impact us and we can and can we absolutely carry Incredible wounds from things that are just heinous. But what I will say is, more often than not, it's the really weird, little, subtle things that you would think. That is what has been causing me to not be able to pick up the phone and call a client back. That is the thing that has had me, like procrastinating from finishing my dissertation for the last like five years. It's amazing how these teeny, tiny little things that seem fairly insignificant Can so directly impact the rest of the way that we live. We continue to live our life for the rest of our life, until we address it.

Speaker 2: 24:13

What would you give advice to somebody who is just discovering that they're empathic? I guess this is like a two-part question. Since we're talking about EFT, I don't want to jump around. What would you recommend them to? How long to tap, what to tap on? I mean, I know that will be very specific to each individual.

Speaker 3: 24:33

Yes, exactly Always when it comes to the answer with the EFT, the answer is pretty much, and especially as a master trainer for EFT International, my answer is almost always it depends, because this is such a customizable approach. And so there are people where their nervous system is so jangled and they've experienced they're just in such a tender place, like if you could do one round of tapping, that's great. So there are people where it's just the tiniest little bit, like that's good enough, that is enough. And then there are people where they can do more. How long to tap would be what feels right to you, what feels right to your nervous system?

Speaker 3: 25:18

I had a client a number of years ago who, when I first met her, was struggling mightily with fibromyalgia, chronic Lyme, chronic fatigue, exhaustion and the very first and a history of trauma, like some pretty hardcore stuff and unidentified empath, like super empathic. Didn't even know that that was what she was. And when we first started working together she could not tap at all on her body because her nervous system was so jangled and was so inflamed and so stressed that I did proxy work with her, I would surrogate tap on my body on her behalf, and even with that we had to be so gentle and we would do a tapping session and then at first she needed upwards of like two, three, four, sometimes a month or longer to integrate the energy work. We did the miracle of this woman and I love her so much. She is such a remarkable human being and I'm sure she's listening to this. She knows who I'm talking about, because the thing that I'm so I just marvel at again and again is that so many people would have given up. They would have been like this is not going to work for me. She had such tenacity and she had such a deep sense of faith I think, in her own and her own willingness just keeps showing up that she and I slowly found our way through the process to get to a point where we could work together regularly, where she could actually gently touch on the points for herself and benefit from it, and it was the most miraculous transformation I have ever seen in my career.

Speaker 3: 27:07

We're talking somebody who is like bedridden, with chronic pain and barely able to function, to thriving. Thriving, vibrant, probably at least 20 pounds lighter. Sparkle in her eyes, playful, joyful, happy, living in a completely different part of America, like moved from one coast to the other coast and like doing things that just make her so, so, so happy. And I watched her go from and letting out her inner creative person let it just she just went and letting out her magical self, like she went from being this like contracted, miserable person to being this incredibly joyful person. It was just remarkable and so I share that story as an example of we had to move incredibly delicately, we had to move incredibly slowly, we had to really really pace it and in this particular case, having the support of a practitioner definitely helped. But what I would say is for anybody who's like, the benefit of EFT is that we can use it to re-regulate our nervous system and we can use it to sort of calm down the vagus nerve and calm down, just like allow ourselves to settle. So one technique that can be really good, that I really love, is using tapping or EFT for what's called touch and breathe Before you start with doing an EFT.

Speaker 3: 28:45

Being in your body is a really important thing and sometimes, like starting with a big deep breath can be a little dis-regulating if you're not already here. So sometimes the first step is to just go grab, like, your bottle of water or your sippy cup, your grown-up sippy cup and, just like, take a sip of water. But instead of just taking that sip of water, pay attention to the sensation of the water moving through your body. Pay attention to the sensation of the water moving down your throat. Notice the feeling of the surfaces of the seat beneath you, holding you and supporting you. Feel what it's like to give your body into gravity and let yourself land, like, let yourself be held. Stop trying to hold yourself up and feel how the surfaces of the earth rise up to meet you and hold you and support you.

Speaker 3: 29:52

And just allowing yourself to land in your body and then take a little sip of breath, just a little like, okay, I'm gonna let myself be in my body and then we can go in and do touch and breathe. And so we could start with touching the side of our hand, which is where we generally start with tapping or EFT, and just putting your three dominant fingers onto below the pinky, right on the fleshy part of the side of your hand, and just inhaling calmness and peace or whatever it is. You need just breathing into your body to awareness of yourself, just taking a moment to really be like, okay, I'm just taking a beat, I'm taking a breather and just breathing in and then breathing out any distractions, any static, breathing out the tension, the worry and the concerns, just really being like I am consciously letting this go. And then from that moving up to the top of the head, sort of placing your hand right on the crown chakra and again breathing in that calmness and that peace and exhaling any static, any worries, any distraction that's getting in the way. And then moving to your eyebrows, breathing in calmness and peace again and breathing out any tension, any worry, any distractions. And then moving to the sides of your eyes, right on your temples, kind of right where your upper lid and lower lid would meet, but not on your eyelids right on your temples again, breathing in calmness and peace and breathing out that static, that distraction. And you can either tap, like you're doing, or you can just hold those points, because sometimes massaging them or holding them can allow you to settle even more. And then we move to underneath the eyes and this is right below your pupils, right below the irises of your eyes, like right on the eye socket. So if you're wearing glasses, it would be like right where your glasses meet if you're wearing huge glasses, like I am, and again we're just going to breathe in calmness and peace and breathe out any tension or worry.

Speaker 3: 32:49

And then the next point is under your nose, above your lip, on what's called either some people call this the cupid's bow, some people call it the filtrum but that groove right above your lip and just breathing, pressing in on that and breathing in and letting go of any tension or worry. Again the next point is between your lip and your chin, right in that groove again, and just again holding your fingers between the lip and the chin and breathing in that calmness and peace and breathing out any tension, any worries, any distractions, just really letting it go. And now we move to the collarbone points and these are like you find your collarbone sort of clavicle and then you kind of come down, maybe about a half inch to like three quarters of an inch and move over just slightly. You can kind of almost like feel sort of like just a little bit of a tenderness or kind of like. You sort of feel like you kind of click in. And again we're just going to breathe in the calmness and peace and breathe out any tension, any worries, any distractions, just really letting it go. And then the next point is under your arm, and this is kind of you can hug both sides or you could just hold one arm up and do it like this, and but I'm going to do both and sort of this is just past your breast tissue depending on what kind of you know, how old you are and how big your boobs are and it's on, you know, sort of right on your rib cage and sort of parallel to your armpit and parallel to your nipple. And so what we're going to do is we're just going to breathe in that calmness and peace again and breathe out any tension or worry. And then, coming back to the top of the head, just placing our hand on the top of our head and I like to put my other hand on my navel for this one I'm just sort of feeling like that circuit is nice and complete and I can just feel the energy flowing through my whole body. And again, just a nice deep breath in and exhaling any last bits of tension or worry. And then I love to end with putting my hands on my heart, both hands over my heart, and just doing three in and outs breathing into my heart and breathing into that peace and ease and exhaling that peace and ease out around me and again, breathing in that calmness and peace and breathing out any tension or worry, breathing that peace and ease out around me One more time, just really calling in that divine connection, breathing in peace, ease, flow, letting it be OK to just land, be here and exhaling that peace and that flow in a circle of safe, sacred space all around me. So that is a nice, fairly short, fairly simple way that we can do for ourselves at home and we can just go into or into a bathroom or whatever, just moving through the points. And if I wasn't talking us through the points it would have gone even faster. So that's one approach. It's very simple, it's very gentle.

Speaker 3: 36:54

You know there's plenty of people on the inner webs that have tap along videos. I've got a lot of tap along videos over on my YouTube channel where you could be like oh you know, I'm dealing with difficult people. I'm going to tap with along with Jen for dealing with difficult people, or I'm going to tap with Jen for letting go of the day. The one thing I will say is that the more specific you are about what's really going on for you and the more you use your language not mine, but yours the more effective this will be. And so if you've ever, if somebody's listening to this and they're like I, tried tapping, it did not work for me.

Speaker 3: 37:37

A lot of times, the reason that it didn't work is because the way you were taught to tap is too broad and general and that it was not specifically addressing the issue that is going on for you. And what I will say and this is a whole other soapbox and tirade that I won't go off on is that, while EFT International is an international organization that accredits and cert, you know that we certify. It has accreditation and certification of EFT practitioners on this planet. We are the only international nonprofit organization that certifies EFT practitioners. There are a lot of people who have trained, learned, who have studied EFT, but who have no certification and who have not necessarily jumped through any hoops. Not all EFT practitioners are created equal, and so just because you find somebody who has a video about tapping on the internet does not necessarily mean that they have learned how to use, to apply this as precisely and specifically as we do at EFT International.

Speaker 3: 38:52

That's the short version of a soapbox, but what will often happen for people is if they've tried it and it didn't work.

Speaker 3: 38:59

A lot of times it's because either they weren't using their own language, they weren't focusing specifically or precisely enough on the thing that was going on, or they were not being gentle enough, they were not listening to their own signals, or they had a practitioner who didn't know enough about how to be gentle and careful with this, and so their experience was just too much too fast, too intense, and so that kind of goes back to the question that you asked me earlier about how much should we be doing.

Speaker 3: 39:31

Like I said, it depends. But I would always say start gently, start with a little bit, see like, see if you can move the needle, like, even if you're feeling like a level of tension where it's like you started an eight, you can bring it down to a six, like that's a victory, and if it feels okay, then do another round and see if you can bring it from a six down to a four, and if that feels okay, see if you can bring it down from a four to a two, and just until it feels like oh, okay, I feel okay now.

Speaker 2: 40:07

Well, I want to say, Jennifer, that that exercise that you had us go through was very powerful. It was just amazing. So thank you for you were so welcome. Yeah, I wasn't expecting that. That was a very cool surprise.

Speaker 3: 40:21

I mean, I'm a strong believer in any time we can have an actual embodied experience of something. It lands so much more than just theory. It's like we spend sadly as a culture. We spend so much time in our head but the way we actually learn is by being embodied. We don't really assimilate and process information as effectively until we actually experience it. It's always my delight to be able to share an experience with people so they're like oh, that's what it feels like, as opposed to just what you think it might feel like.

Speaker 2: 40:58

Yes, yeah, and I was going to say for, as an adult recognizing things in myself, I have three children. Especially my girls are very empathic, so I've started to do some tapping exercises with them. Do you have advice for parents who are either suspecting that their child is empathic or pretty much no, Because my mother's always no?

Speaker 3: 41:22

Mother's always no. So I, one of my students, the mother of five empaths, five girls, all empaths and ranging between the ages of three and, at this point I think, 16. And so the thing is, age is going to make a really big difference. Now, interestingly, the three year old has been tapping since she was not even in utero, like she's been tapping in. She's been in my world and she's been tapping since, like she, before she was conceived. Then, when she was in utero, her mother was tapping all the time and she has been. She's been part of like EFT mentoring groups and part of EFT classes ever since she was an infant, and so she gets it Like she's just, like she's just like.

Speaker 3: 42:08

Sure I'll tap, but with a lot of kids, one of the best ways to work with it is that, depending on the age of a child, when you are working with a very small child, the best way to work with a kid, pretty much between the ages of like infancy or birth, or conception for that matter, but birth to maybe about two, two and a half, three is that you tap on their behalf, you tap for them, you do it proxy when they're really little, and especially if you're dealing or and or. If you're dealing with a kid having a meltdown who's like no, I don't want to deal with it as a parent until they're consenting adults, at the age of 18, and they're off on their own and you're like you, do you boo? We have the right as parents to tap on behalf of our children and we can tap for them about whatever is going on with them. That said, a lot of times it's really important for a parent to tap on the stuff that is going on for them about their kid before they try to tap for their child, because children who are M pass are, nine times out of 10, picking up on their parents to stress and they are expressing all the stuff that the parents are not willing to acknowledge, or all the stuff that the parents are trying desperately to contain and control. But the kid is acting out and basically is like the canary in the coal mine who's like? They're having a total meltdown because, internally, the parent is first.

Speaker 3: 43:38

Step with working with children is often for a parent is tap on what's coming up for you, tap on your own stress, tap on your feelings about your kid, tap on your feelings of helplessness and powerlessness and all the stuff that you're experiencing, or if your kid is really driving you nuts, like you just happen to have, like you had a soul contract with a dynamo forced to be reckoned with, who is like hell on wheels. They just came out kicking and screaming. You've been in a power struggle with them from the get go. Then it's like tapping through your frustration, tapping through your like oh my God, this child is like oil to my water I don't even know what or like this child is like a match to my gasoline, like tapping all of that out and then being able to go in and do surrogate tapping on behalf of the kid.

Speaker 3: 44:33

Once a child gets to be three, four, five, six years old, then we can start teaching them how to tap for themselves. First you can tap on them and just say something like you could do a touch and breathe, or you can. I've seen Denise Tuffield Thomas, who wrote like Chilperneur and get rich, lucky bitch and lucky bitch. Like she's a money mindset mentor. She's really a fan of tapping. When her daughter Willow was really little, she taught her to tap saying I deeply and completely love and accept myself. And it's like she's like two and a half years old and she's like I deeply and completely love and accept myself and it's just so dear. So you can teach your child soothing, calming affirmations or just like a touch and breathe or something like that that allows I'm okay, my mommy loves me. You can teach your child like, even at a very young age, how to use that tapping if they are for it.

Speaker 3: 45:36

Some kids they're not going to have, they're just going to be like nah, not for me. Some kids will do it when they really are desperate but they're just defiant, like my friend who I was mentioning earlier, with the five children. My three year old friend who I've known since before she was born and before she was conceived. Really, like she and I go back. I was like you, I know you, I have a very strong sense she's going to be a spectacular healer. Like she is going to be just this remarkable human being as an adult. Like she's got things to do and amazing gifts to share with this world. Like there's no resistance on her part. However, she's got a sister, a slightly older sister, who is potty and who is and I don't mean HOTTY, I mean HAUGHTY like she is potty.

Speaker 3: 46:26

And her attitude has always been one of like you know, like no, I am not doing this thing. And every so often, if she's really gone through a hard time, she will let people tap for her, but most of the time she's just like I'm having none of this. And so in her case, her mom has had to do a lot of surrogate tapping, even as she's been like five, six, seven years old, because she just doesn't want to have anything to do with it. Some of it is, you know. But then the other thing you can do with your kids is you can teach them how to tap and talk. And so tapping and talking, once they're verbal, once they're able to start articulating things, what you can do is you can ask you know, you can have a thing where you're just like they're tapping and they're just telling you the story. So what, how was school today? What happened at school? Oh, billy was really mean to me and I really wanted him to be my friend and I had this thing and I wanted to show it to him, and then he just laughed at me and threw it on the floor, and that just is going to give her the opportunity, or him the opportunity, or them the opportunity to express what's going on for them, so you can teach a child how to just tap on it and then, depending on your level of expertise or understanding of how to work with the FT which is one of the reasons why I strongly encourage people to like learn more about it is that then what you could do is be like what do you say? We tap on that one thing and then we can go into the more traditional basic recipe of even though Billy threw my drawing on the floor, you know, I love myself anyway, or a mom loves me anyway, or I'm a good kid and then just three times for this, what's called the setup statement, and then just a very simple reminder phrase, without changing the words around.

Speaker 3: 48:20

This is one thing I see with a lot of people, especially people who've been exposed to certain kinds of tapping. They will jump all over the place. The problem with jumping all over the place and saying a lot of different things while you're tapping is that often what will happen is you will actually muddy the waters, you'll stir things up even more, and it will often cause a layer of or a level of like anxiousness, because it's like the mind is, then it's like you're adding more and more things to the laundry list. So the most effective way to release and relieve tension and stress with tapping is by focusing on one thing at a time, bringing it all the way down and then moving on to the next thing. People who want to like pull out the entire laundry list. You might want to do that, but the problem with that is that it often will just add too much overwhelm, while you could teach your kid like you could start with just a tap and tapping and talking about what happened to really clear it. Then what you want to do is hone in on that specific thing. Like you're listening and you're like, oh, he dropped her drawing on the floor. That's what really hurt. And then doing Billy drop my drawing, billy drop my drawing. Billy drop my drawing. Billy drop my drawing. Billy drop my drawing, billy drop my drawing. That will actually accomplish a whole lot more than if it's like Billy drop my drawing.

Speaker 3: 49:52

I was so sad. My teacher was really mean. I was really worried. All the kids laughed at me because when it comes to the concept of EFT, there's what we call aspects, and aspects are all of the different facets of an experience, of an event, the emotional components to it, the logistical, situational like what actually happened components to it, the beliefs and perspectives that influence it, all of the different features, all of the different parts of it.

Speaker 3: 50:23

And what is most effective is not jumping around and chasing a million different aspects at the same time, but focusing precisely on one aspect at a time and addressing it and clearing it. The way I like to think of it is that it's kind of this paradox if you try to go for the broad and general when it comes to clearing, it's kind of like I don't know, it's like running the dishwasher half. You know, like if, like, you put the dishes in the dishwasher and you start to run it and then you stop at midway, it's like, in order for something to fully shift, you will have more of a quantum change by changing one thing entirely than by trying to address multiple things and only partially moving the needle with any of them. It's kind of like the difference between you know, if you're like sort of thinking about some of the suggestions about how to declutter and clean, instead of trying to clean the entire house and ending up with a bigger mess, focus on the one corner, tidy that up, let that be addressed and then move on to the next thing and the next thing and the next thing. You will ultimately get much more headway and much more traction by focusing on that one thing than you would by trying to deal with all of it at the same time.

Speaker 3: 51:42

And my mentor Jade, who is my master trainer of trainers I adore Jade, he's a wonderful, wonderful teacher and trainer. But my mentor Jade will often say it's the difference between going a mile wide and an inch deep and going a mile deep and an inch wide. And so with EFT, I approach to EFT and tapping and you know more of a sort of clinical approach to EFT. We are always focusing on really like dialing in to that mile. You know that inch wide and then we start going into the mile deep.

Speaker 2: 52:21

That makes so much sense. You can't accomplish anything if you've got a whole laundry list. It makes all of your analogies really make a lot of sense. Especially when working with kids, too, it's probably best to keep it simple, keep it simple, keep it simple for everybody.

Speaker 3: 52:40

Tap and talk is something that a lot of people. There are people who do what's called tap and rant, where it's like they start a round of tapping and they're just like I can't believe and they just keep tapping and talking. The problem with that is that, yes, you might get a lot of clarity about what's going on, but also it tends to stir things up At a certain point. What we need to do is we need to the benefit of tapping and tapping and talking, is you do a round or two to get clear about what's really going on. Then, once you find the thing Billy dropped my drawing on the floor then what we want to do is we want to focus on the issue, not the million different things. It's like using the tapping and talking very precisely and, as a parent, if you're facilitating it for a kid, so that you're helping them to get clear and also reflecting and mirroring back to them.

Speaker 3: 53:36

I heard you sounded like it sounds like you feel really upset. Or I heard that Billy dropped your drawing on the floor and that sounded like it really heard. Does that feel true to you? They're like, yes, this is really. You figure out what is affecting. Where's the heat in the thing, because we can come up with a million different things that are bothering us or that have been impacting us, but a lot of times there's the one, most pressing thing. Generally, what we want to do is we want to focus on the thing that's popping. The way I often describe with my students working with EFT is that it's also like you're waiting for the popcorn kernel to pop, like you're listening for what's ready to pop, and that's what you're going to focus on.

Speaker 2: 54:30

That makes sense. Yeah, I want to say one of the things I've noticed with doing EFT with my girls is that it really does when you go through things and I have some children's books on it teaching them to really love and accept themselves no matter what, that they're whole, that they are perfect as they are. I think that is just so important, because I don't think self-love is taught very well. No, not at all Well and.

Speaker 3: 54:58

I'd love to actually talk about that because, yes, so original recipe. Like the old school Gary Craig, the one thing you were supposed to say at the end of every single setup was even though I have this issue, I deeply and completely love and accept myself. The thing is, for a lot of adults in particular, that is I don't know, can I, I'll just use the PG version of it that's total BES. It's like that's just not true. And the problem is that while there are some people who are like oh no, you have to learn how to be able to say that, I'm like no, stop fighting the cognitive dissonance that you're going to experience. If you do not deeply and completely love and accept yourself yet, then do not say that and end up with a massive amount of conflict internally, where you're trying so hard to say the thing you're supposed to say and you're supposed to feel, and then you say it and you feel even worse, like you feel like total ish because you don't believe it, and then you feel like a loser because you don't believe it. So when I am a really a real strong believer in is you got to find what you buy, what you have buy in with to start with and you need to start where you are. For an example, somebody has just been through so much stuff that saying I deeply and completely love and accept myself is just completely untenable. Then it's like you start with something neutral. It is what it is. This is just what you know. I'm just tapping on it. This is how I feel and then I love and use very frequently.

Speaker 3: 56:37

I'm open to the possibility that this can shift. I'm open to the possibility that this can shift, or I'm willing to love myself anyway, I'm willing to be kind to myself anyway, I'm willing to treat myself with kindness anyway, like where we are bringing choice into it. But we're also just stating our truth for what it is, as opposed to trying to impose an affirmation. I mean, I could go into like I could do an entire podcast just about affirmations and how trying to ram a flowery affirmation down your throat when you don't believe it, I believe is actually the worst thing you can do when it comes to magic and law of attraction and creating something that you want in your life.

Speaker 3: 57:31

Because what you are doing is creating this massive friction and this massive resistance and basically all of the itty bitty, ishy committee in your head is going to be going off Like telling you why this is just complete BS. I'm a strong believer in we've got to have buy in with whatever positive affirmation we say Until we can come to a place where we can honestly say I do deeply and completely love and accept myself. I do know that, even if I'm going through the hardest thing in my life right now, that I am worthy of love, that I am lovable, that I am loved and that I can love myself through this, no matter what.

Speaker 2: 58:20

Yes, and everybody's going to be at a different place and it might take you a while to love yourself, and that's okay.

Speaker 3: 58:27

It is. I mean, sometimes the best way to love ourselves is by loving ourselves enough to let it be okay that we are not loving ourselves and just doing the best we can. Sometimes loving ourselves and what this has to do with being an empath I can tie it back in but sometimes loving ourselves is like recognizing when we have to go to the bathroom and going to the bathroom when it's time. Sometimes loving ourselves is recognizing when we're thirsty and going and getting a glass of water and drinking it. Sometimes loving ourselves is recognizing when we're tired and being willing to go to bed. Sometimes loving ourselves is recognizing that we're either feeling a little cold and we need a sweater put on, or that we're feeling a little hot and we need to take it off Like just acknowledging our body and what our body needs. So we've been programmed in this culture to ignore our body over and over again. And when we're doing that self, when we're ignoring ourselves again and again and again, it's almost impossible for us to take that next level to the emotional self-love, because we're not even loving ourselves on a physical level yet. And what this has to do with especially being an empath is that knowing how to trust ourselves and knowing how to recognize what's ours and what's not ours, which I think is one of the biggest and most important things for empaths to come to understand and to like. This is one of our biggest lessons and challenges. Is what's mine, what's not mine?

Speaker 3: 59:55

If you don't even have the ability to recognize when you have to go to the bathroom, when you're thirsty, when you're tired, when you're hungry, when you're cold, when you're overwhelmed, if you're not listening to that, if you're just constantly kicking down the can down the road and just being like yeah, one more, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know I'm exhausted, but I really have to get this email out. I really have to do this. Yeah, I know I need to go to the bathroom, but if I could just take five more minutes to finish this one thing, like all of the ways that we bypass the truth of our body, it's imperative If we want to really recognize ourselves, we have to start by acknowledging what the signals we're getting, because, as empaths, not only are we getting other people's signals, but we are also often, because of the way our culture works, bypassing our own signals and ignoring them. We just don't know what ends up.

Speaker 2: 1:00:50

Right, I mean because you get people who tell you that's not real, you're not really feeling that. I mean you know that happens all the times.

Speaker 3: 1:00:59

Constantly I have had, you know, in my podcast, Empathic Mastery Show, I've at this point I do seasons, so I'm not quite I'd have to go back and count to see how many podcasts and episodes have I recorded.

Speaker 3: 1:01:11

But, like I mean, we're getting up into the, up towards the hundred, you know at least a hundred people that I've interviewed, and not to mention all the students, all the conversations, all the things I've had in all of the conversations that I've had with like countless, like hundreds and hundreds, if not thousands of them passed.

Speaker 3: 1:01:30

I can count, on one hand, the people who were not told that they were too sensitive, that they were overreacting, that they were taking things too personally and that they just needed to develop a tougher skin. I mean, literally, as I think about it, I think it's like, at this point, I think I have three people on my list who had parents who could validate what they were experiencing and were like, yes, you are sensitive, yes, you are this way, yes, this is okay. I hope that this generation of, like all of us, as parents, are able to approach it in a really different way and at least we are not like gaslighting our children into thinking that they're making this shit up Like I mean and that's the other thing I would say the question of how do we support our empathic children. Validate it.

Speaker 1: 1:02:18

Validate that they're picking something up.

Speaker 3: 1:02:20

Believe them, acknowledge it.

Speaker 3: 1:02:23

And if you are the one who is going through a bunch of shit and your kid excuse my language and your kid is like feeling it, don't leave it with them. Tell them Say, yep, you know, mom had a really hard, I had a really hard day and I think you're probably picking up on stuff that's going on for me. It's not your job to process this for me. This is on me, this is my stuff. You're right, I'm feeling sad. You're right, I'm feeling worried. You're right, I'm feeling anxious about this, I'm feeling angry about this and I'm okay. I'm an adult, I'm in charge, I can handle this.

Speaker 3: 1:03:01

Many of us grew up with parents who did not have the emotional literacy to handle it.

Speaker 3: 1:03:06

They didn't know what to do and for there's a whole phenomenon of like, I think daughters reared in the 60s, 70s, 80s, probably even in the 50s. But like this whole movement of like from the baby boom on, of like girls who were their mother's confidant and were their mother's like we did the emotional lifting for our mothers and like I mean, I had no idea that the things my mother told me when I was like tiny were completely inappropriate and then I shouldn't know about her relationship with my father that I shouldn't know about her dissatisfactions with all these things. I had no idea. I was just her emotional, I was just her sounding board. I was just the person who did her emotional processing for her, and I think that's the thing it's like. We have to give our daughters and our sons and our and our non binary children an alternative. We need to give them, we need to own our shit and we need to not expect them to do the heavy lifting for us 100%.

Speaker 2: 1:04:12

We need to write our own ships and filler, fill our own cup and model all the good things and then help them process and work through whatever it is and believe them and listen to them and talk it out. I 100% agree with everything you said. I really do and I think that the, if we do that as parents, the children that we raise will be so much better leaders and better community members, and you know that it will just ripple out.

Speaker 3: 1:04:44

Exactly. I mean, I believe personally that we have somewhere in the vicinity of 5000 years of patriarchal trauma, that we are that is coming home to roost right now, and that there is, like I did this, I'm working on a book right now. That's a channel book. That's all about our evolution as a species and why so many people are awakening to being M past. And so one of the things that I did was I started looking at numbers, and one of the really interesting numbers that I found was, if you do the exponential, if you start looking exponentially at your ancestors you and I, we both have two parents then we've got four grandparents, we've got eight great grandparents, we've got 16 great, great, great grandparents. But when you start going back to, I think it's like the 37th or the 36th generation, you are talking about literally like three billion ancestors in that one generation that are all bringing their trauma and all bringing their stories and all bringing their stuff to the equation.

Speaker 3: 1:05:56

And what I believe is that, as a species, our chickens are coming home to roost and we are in a place now where we absolutely must deal with the unreconciled trauma that has been passed from generation to generation. I mean, we inherit trauma. It is passed down in our DNA. We do not escape it. It is not this idea of just like it's over now in the past. Just forget it. Our bodies do not forget and our DNA does not forget and energetically this is carried forward in a way that means that if we do not address it, we are going to keep on doing all kinds of crazy things that are essentially where we focus on greed and hustle and lack of empathy over love and community building and understanding that there is plenty for all of us.

Speaker 2: 1:07:00

We can create heaven on earth, but we got to deal with the trauma first or we got to deal with the trauma at the same time, if we deal with it, we heal it for the people who are coming after us.

Speaker 3: 1:07:13

And we deal it. I believe not only do we heal it?

Speaker 3: 1:07:15

for the we deal, we heal it retroactively, we heal it back in the ancestral lines. If we deal with it, it's like that ripple in time, because if time is an illusion, the idea of the past and the future, the past and the future, is just an illusion. All there is is right now. If we thoroughly and completely deal with that emotional, energetic congestion, that wound, I sincerely believe it is cleared on a quantum level. That is shifted across. It's shifted across all timelines, it ripples out everywhere and I believe that if enough, if enough of us deal with it, the whole world is going to be a different place. The way that timelines shift and the way that healing tends to work. We might not even remember where we came from or how intense it was before. Like we'll just be, like yeah, isn't this awesome.

Speaker 2: 1:08:11

Oh my God, Jennifer, this conversation has been so awesome. I just everything that we've talked about so powerful, and I just can't thank you enough for being here. Do you want to share with people any closing thoughts?

Speaker 3: 1:08:26

I just spent the last from 130 to 730, teaching channeling part two of a four part intensive on the tarot and intuition with some students of mine, and the thing that came through over and over again was perspective of resources, perspective of abundance. That on one, if we look at things from one direction, if we're in sort of this perception of the world, as like we're in the void, that all there is, like this earth plane, there's nothing else. We're mortal and like you live, you die, and then it's over that, we can have this experience of like just, really just sinking into the despair. But at the same time it's like that's one way of looking at it. But another way of looking at it is like all of the resources that we need are right there for us, all of the options that we need are right there, and it's not a story, that sort of old classic, but it's this idea of a person.

Speaker 3: 1:09:32

You know, guy, dies, goes to hell, ends up in this banquet hall and there's this spectacular, lush banquet with the best food you've ever seen and everybody. And at the table, though, there are these really long spoons and these really long knives. Everybody's trying to feed themselves, but the forks and the knives and the spoons are way too long, they cannot feed themselves. So everybody is emaciated and starving. While they stare at this exquisite food, another person dies.

Speaker 3: 1:09:59

Same kind of banquet hall, same exact, you know, spread everything same spoons, same knives, same forks and you walk into the room and everybody is feeding everybody else because the spoons reach across the table and can allow everybody to be able to feed and nourish each other. And I really think that that's where we're at as a species right now. We can look at it as from this perspective, this really limited perspective, that is the trauma, you know, kind of like the trauma influenced by the perspective, or we can look at it from this perspective of hopeful possibility and generosity and grace, and approach life from a place of gratitude, of curiosity, of playfulness, of wonder, and it's like we are so close to creating heaven on earth.

Speaker 2: 1:10:54

I love that. I absolutely love that. How can people get in touch with you? How can they work with you? How can they read your book? How can they find you?

Speaker 3: 1:11:02

Oh well, I kept it fairly simple. So what I did is I created so bottom line, so empathic mastery. Comm is where everything you know, if you're, if you're looking for the one place to land, you can get to everything from there. And if you go, if you want to listen to my podcast, which has got some really amazing interviews, I gotta say go to it Love it.

Speaker 3: 1:11:22

Thank you. Empathic Mastery showcom is where the podcast is and then if you want to read the books, you know empathic mastery bookcom will take you to the main page with not only my book, empathic mastery, but at this point I've got chapters and four multi author books. One is coming out and the fourth is coming out at the end of this month, which is August, as of the recording of this episode, and as well as I've got two workbooks, journals that like go with the empathic mastery, and the next book is going to be coming out in the summer of 2024. I've got the empathic mastery Academy and Pathic Mastery Academy, comm, which is where I teach you.

Speaker 3: 1:12:04

We do a live round every single fall into the set, like September to December, learning how to navigate, being highly sensitive and empathic. And I also have, if you want to just dip your toe in and see if I'm the right flavor for you, because I'm a strong believer and find the teacher you resonate with. Doesn't matter what somebody saying, it's like. I am not for everybody. I'm a strong cup of coffee and so some people are going to love me, some people not so much. And so I have a free Facebook group called the empathic mastery circle and if somebody wants to be part of that they can jump on over to empathic masterycom slash masterclass. And from the sound of that you might have figured out I do a monthly full moon masterclass on topics specific to empaths navigating the world, finding our way, figuring things out, and we just where we do a really nice deep dive as well as I have on the second Tuesday of every month.

Speaker 3: 1:13:04

I've got tap along Tuesday where we do tap alongs in the group and I facilitate tapping. You can give me feedback. I can tailor the scripts or not scripts for the tailor the tapping sequences, depending on who's there and what's going on. It's like this last one was on lion state, so we did a whole tapping sequence on identifying what you know, what we really felt, what may not be working, what we're ready to let go of and what we want to call in. Like I said, empathic masterycom slash masterclass come on, sign up, join me, etc. So, but bottom line everything empathic masterycom.

Speaker 2: 1:13:44

Jennifer thank you so much for being here. I have loved this conversation and has been very powerful, and I think people are going to listen to it and it's going to change their life.

Speaker 3: 1:13:53

Thank you so much for being here. Thank you so much for having me here. This is really really been such a pleasure and such a delight. I'm so glad we got to connect.

Speaker 2: 1:14:03

Me too. Thank you so much, Jennifer.

Speaker 1: 1:14:09

Thank you again for listening to this episode, Beautiful Souls. I'm going to be having a review giveaway drawing that I'll be pulling a winner at the end of November. What you will be able to win is a distance freaky session and card pull from me and also Laura Michelle Powers is online angels course. The prize is total a $350 value. To enter, all you have to do is rate and review me on Apple podcasts and screenshot it and send it to enlightenandelevatewithkelly at gmailcom. Thank you so much and good luck.