Ep42 - Robert Clark: Replacing Addiction with Creative Photography and Yoga Practice

In this conversation, Kim Grant interviews Robert Clark about his personal journey into photography and how it helped him overcome alcohol addiction. They discuss the connection between yoga and photography, as well as the creation of Robert's website, Impressionography.org, which showcases ICM (Intentional Camera Movement) photography. Robert emphasises the importance of providing a platform for ICM artists to display their work without judgment.  Overall, the conversation highlights the transformative power of photography and the value of community in the creative process.

Takeaways

• Photography can be a transformative tool for personal growth and overcoming challenges.
• The practice of yoga can enhance the experience of photography, particularly in the realm of intentional camera movement.
• Creating a platform for artists to showcase their work without judgment is essential for fostering creativity and community.
• Open exhibitions provide opportunities for photographers to share their best work and connect with like-minded individuals.

Connect with Robert:
Website: https://impressionography.org/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/impressionography_org/

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Transcript

Kim Grant (00:02.678)
Hi Robert, thank you so much for coming on the podcast this week!

Robert Clark (00:06.05)
You're welcome and I'm very grateful that you asked me along to take part, very excited about it.

Kim Grant (00:13.27)
Yeah, it's really nice to connect because I came across you through your Impressionography.org website. Somebody I know was featured recently and when I came across your online gallery, I thought it was a really interesting and quite unique way I think of showcasing photography in the modern day world given social media and everything. So we're going to dive into that a little bit today. But before we do, I wondered if you could go back to the beginning and share your personal journey into photography.

Robert Clark (00:43.873)
Um...

I had two false starts and then I got going properly. So the first time.

I had a camera, which was a young child, about nine or ten. And I can remember going down to London on a trip and taking this little plastic camera. I can't remember what it was called. I don't think it was a box brownie. It didn't have a drop-down front on it. It was, it might have been a brownie camera. And I had a great time taking snaps. And I think the most exciting thing was, was...

sending these or taking the film to the chemist and waiting a week for the pictures to come back and not knowing quite what I was going to get. And that was really good and I really enjoyed that. But unfortunately it didn't really go very far because I was told I shouldn't waste my money on taking photographs.

So I didn't. About my 12th or 13th birthday, my sister got married. And I somehow came across one of these Polaroid Instamatic cameras. And I thought, this could be the answer to everything. Because you don't have to wait a week for the pictures to come back. And you get an instant thing. And when the...

Robert Clark (02:12.425)
When the pictures came out, there was a certain kind of magic as the picture developed in front of you.

Robert Clark (02:26.433)
That was quite mystical. I found that process really, really interesting. I didn't know how it worked, it just worked. And same thing again, I was told, you shouldn't waste your money on this stuff. So I didn't. And then life got in the way. And I came back to photography after a 40 year very unhappy relationship with alcohol.

and uh... um...

I decided to stop drinking and my wife said, what are you going to do with all the time? Because I used to spend a lot of time either drinking or sleeping. And my wife said, well now, what are you going to do with all the time you have? And I thought, do you know what?

I'm going to start taking photographs again. And that was just over a year ago. And so I went out and bought myself a camera. With all the money I was saving on not drinking alcohol. There's a big long story there, but your listeners won't be interested in that. And so began the journey from being

alcohol reliant to...

Robert Clark (04:10.573)
Photography has helped me to become a better version of myself and to break the bonds that alcohol had over me and to give me some happiness. And that was, that was, that was, the biggest surprise was yet to come.

Kim Grant (04:27.37)
Wow, you've been through a lot there.

Robert Clark (04:37.921)
because when I gave up alcohol, I thought that my problems were all gonna go away. And it was really strange because I would describe it as a sort of a love-hate relationship where I would spend all week looking forward to Friday and end of work and have a drink and whatever, whatever.

and then I would, by the end of the weekend, I would feel totally desperate and depressed and unhappy with everything, my whole life. I wouldn't drink from a Sunday through to a Friday, so Monday,

Robert Clark (05:30.385)
I would be coming down from the alcohol at the weekend and by Tuesday I was looking forward to it, I'd sort of forgotten about it, and I was looking forward to the weekend again. And come Friday I was ready for another drink and then this whole thing would repeat itself. And during, as I got older I drank all my working and married life and as I got older I drank more.

And through lockdown I drank more, to the point where over a weekend I was consuming, I sat down and worked out, 50, I think it was 55 units of alcohol over two days and one evening. And I'd tried to cut down.

I tried January, which was a nightmare because I knew at the end of January, you know, I was in denial for a period of time until the end of the month.

Robert Clark (06:35.353)
I realised one day that alcohol was going to kill me.

Robert Clark (06:45.825)
and that if I didn't do something about it, it was gonna either kill me or seriously affect my health. And the fear of having tried to get cut down during dry january and trying to give up, the fear was overwhelming.

Robert Clark (07:13.497)
And I thought to myself, there's only one way I'm going to be able to do this. And so I spoke to my wife and I said, okay, today is, or today I'm now a non-drinker. And I'm never going to drink ever, ever again. And I'm telling you this because I want you to hold me to account.

and that's what I did and just stopped and then it became a series of firsts.


Robert Clark (09:23.017)
I decided that I would invest the money that I'd been spending on drinking, on a camera, and suddenly I had a whole load of time when I wasn't sleeping and drinking. And yeah, bought myself a camera, bought a digital SLR.

Mirrorless.

Nikon Z6 camera, very nice. And I'd done this online survey, you know, what's your ideal camera? What do you want to take photographs of? And we'll tell you the camera to get. And I thought, well, I live in the countryside and I like nature and the natural world. And you know, maybe take photographs of nature. And he said, oh, well, what you need then is this Nikon Z6. And went on the Nikon website and he said, oh, and of course the lens you need, you only need one lens.

you know but get this one lens a 24 to 200mm lens could be the only lens you'll ever need and they were right because it was it was almost like every lens rolled into one so it was really heavy and the camera is really heavy and I just found it

very difficult to operate. I hadn't used a camera in sort of donkey's years. And I found this Facebook group, How to Use Nikon Cameras, and there was a very clever guy on there who took you through the mantra of the website, going from auto to manual.

Robert Clark (11:06.297)
And I hadn't been on auto because I hadn't worked out how to turn that on the camera so I went straight to manual with his, with their help and learnt all about, you know, how to set up the camera. And the next problem came in that I had to learn photo processing because my images were coming out in raw and you couldn't do anything, you know, you had to process and my laptop didn't work with the processing software so I went out and got a Mac.

and then I had to learn how to use a Mac. So it was using a camera, using photoprocessor, using a Mac in three easy stages. And so I was good to go. But I found in doing sort of landscape photography that I felt totally unfulfilled by it. I couldn't put my finger on what it was that wasn't working for me.

Kim Grant (11:45.538)
Yeah.

Robert Clark (12:01.41)
And it could be, for example, where we live is...

in Ashdown Forest in Sussex and it's a site of special scientific interest. It's a very, very beautiful place but it's not very photogenic and I thought I might be trying to capture these grand landscape vistas that I'd seen other people doing on YouTube and that was never going to happen unless I went to these places.

I just felt unfulfilled and I was thinking about giving up. I was thinking, this isn't for me. And I happened to be on Facebook one day and this picture appeared in my feed and it was an ICM photograph of some trees. I thought, how incredible. Isn't that cool? However they managed to do that, that's what I want to do.

and that's how it all started and that was in that was only in January of this year.

Kim Grant (13:06.75)
Wow, wow, what a journey you've been on Robert, what a journey. It's amazing though, it's so amazing because you've been through so much and then it's like this case of finding a way to overcome your addiction with alcohol and try to find something to replace that and finding photography which as you explained there, there was so much to learn and you had all these different pieces to bring together so your weekend was then being consumed with learning photography.

Robert Clark (13:12.411)
It's just...

Robert Clark (13:33.112)
I'm sorry.

Kim Grant (13:36.63)
And then going on this journey of just not giving up, it's like, and that moment of being like, do you know what, I can't go to these places, but there's so much I can do. And I know now, you know, you've gone on to create this in impressionography.org website, which is all about ICM photography, isn't it?

Robert Clark (13:36.81)
It was.

Robert Clark (13:53.16)
Well, that's all it's about. In fact, since then, other than maybe a couple of snaps on my phone on holiday, I haven't taken a single straight photograph. Not one. Two lies, yeah.

Kim Grant (14:06.424)
What do you think it is about ICM? I know it like landscapes didn't quite resonate with you, but what do you think it is about ICM that really speaks to you?

Robert Clark (14:14.677)
Well, it's interesting because a lot of my ICN photography is taken in the landscape. So they are landscape images. They're just not straight landscape images. I think it was. It was.

Robert Clark (14:37.325)
creating beauty from something that wasn't necessarily beautiful in and of itself.

Robert Clark (14:47.377)
So I just created a collection called Fishing Boats. And I created those images while traveling in Thailand. The place that we stayed, there were a group of fishing boats pulled up on the beach. And in and of itself, as a landscape image,

you wouldn't give tuppence for it. It just didn't work in so many different ways. Yet I noticed that on the side of these fishing boats, they all had, they were quite brightly coloured and they had lines painted on the side of them. And as a subject for ICM, it was absolutely perfect. And so from where you couldn't have created

a straight photograph because it just didn't, it just wasn't attractive in the slightest. Suddenly I have a collection of 12 images that I'm really, really pleased with. So it's finding, it's finding, I say it's finding beauty where.

there wasn't necessarily beauty in and of itself in its original setting. That might not make any sense at all but that's it.

Kim Grant (16:13.114)
It totally does. It totally does. Yeah, I think that's one of the beauties of ICM is you can do it anywhere. So like when you were saying about landscapes and not being able to travel to these incredible locations that you were seeing on YouTube, it's like you can do intentional camera movement in your home area, you know, and you can like you say find beauty in things that are not.

may be clearly beautiful to begin with, but then you're connecting with them and creating beautiful artistic images. And you can do ICM with pretty much anything, can't you?

Robert Clark (16:44.749)
You can. I struggled to find straight compositions that were like the compositions I was seeing on YouTube. And there's a valley where I live. And again, it is not a...

It's not a composition for a straight photograph. It's literally bracken in the foreground, gorse in the mid-ground, which is green, you know, green and bright yellow. And it was a really horrible cloudy day.

and the sky was really dark grey and there was not much light and it was not a landscape composition but it made an absolutely fantastic ICM composition because you end up with three lines, a brown line, a green and yellow line and this really dark grey and there was an image, it came up, it gave me an image under a leaden sky and it was, you know, got hundreds of likes

on Instagram and you know you couldn't have done that as a as a straight image and I think if for anybody listening to this who struggles with composition to find composition where they live ICM could be could be a way of creating beauty where it's otherwise unseen.

Kim Grant (18:21.694)
Mm, yes. And I think the fact that you only really began photography at the start of this year, and you've gone on to create beautiful images already, it just shows how deeply that speaks to you and how, you know, when we bring our emotions into our images, they really speak to not only us, but often the viewers that are viewing our images. And I know that

through your images, you like to explore the purest essence and the emotion of movement. And you can really feel what I think photography means to you in your images, because you are moving with what you're seeing and bringing that in. And I think that's the key to progressing with our photography is being true and authentic to us and whatever emotion we're feeling, being able to find a technique in photography that we can marry together with.

with what our personal interests are.

Robert Clark (19:14.889)
Yeah, I think you're right. It actually allowed me to bring my second love into my photography and it's my love of yoga. And I discovered yoga about 10 years ago, but never really got the benefit from it because I was poisoning myself the rest of the time when I wasn't doing yoga. And yoga...

and photography are really good bedfellows, they really do go together very well, especially with ICM photography. In many ways, the first way is that in yoga, the breath comes first.

And the same comes in ICM photography. The breath comes first. You have to breathe at the right time. And the second thing about yoga that sort of transfers very well into ICM photography is the way that you move and that how you move matters. And that being able to move your body slowly.

and not just sort of jerk it around while you're holding the camera.

Yoga really works very well with that and making the movement on an outward breath which is what you do in yoga you tend to move on an outward breath. Doing the same in ICM photography is really important and starting to move the camera before you press the shutter and then moving smoothly. Yoga just goes

Robert Clark (20:59.829)
And it's amazing.

Kim Grant (20:59.998)
That's so beautiful. That is so beautiful. You know, I do yoga myself most mornings. I really struggle to do the breath at the right time, but it's something that I'm working on and I'm about to do some breathwork training to try and help me with that. But I've you know, I've listened to many ICM photographers speak about how they create their images. But you're the first person that speaks about that. I've heard speaking about them, you know, and combining it with yoga and the breath and.

for anybody out there who does yoga or anything similar, they'll hopefully be able to put that together now. And even myself, I'm thinking, I'm realizing the importance now of breath. If I'm out with my camera and I'm struggling to find photographs, I'll often sit and take a few deep breaths or stand and close my eyes and take a few deep breaths. And suddenly when I open my eyes again, and once I've centered myself, I start seeing things that I didn't see before.

that process of really slowing down. And it's so clear that when we can bring that, because of course, breath is the essence to life. You know, it's the first thing we do when we're born. It's the last thing we do when we die. So when we can bring that into our creativity and that motion, particularly in creative forms, I don't know, you've just connected something for me that I'd not thought of before.

Robert Clark (22:17.485)
I think breath is the essence of the human spirit. I believe that everything is connected. And it's the breath that connects everything together. And when I go out, I don't take my camera with me when I go out for a walk.

I go out to take photographs. So I go out every day to walk on the forest. And that's what I do every day in the morning. I get up, I work out, I do my yoga. I go out for a walk. And then if it's a photography day, I then go out to take photographs. And I do that for two reasons. Firstly, when I take photographs, I take lots of them. The recent, the...

on my recent travels to get 12 images I could work with I took over just under a thousand shots, 990 shots to get 12. So it's a hundred shots to get something that I'm totally happy with and if I'm out with my wife who I'd often describe as my glamorous assistant she won't stand there

Robert Clark (23:42.159)
She will do it for our holiday and we went to Iceland in the summer and spent three weeks driving around Iceland. And so I couldn't take myself off permanently so we would stop and get 50 or 100 shots and she was very good at that. So for me, going out to take photographs is something that just doesn't happen by chance. I go out to take photographs.

And for me it's that decision that when I leave home that now I'm going to take photographs.

Robert Clark (24:20.881)
it sort of in a subconscious way says to my body and to my mind, now we are starting to take photographs.

in the same way as when you start a yoga practice, you have to come into the present. You can't just, you know, do your social media and sit down and immediately start, you know, taking up yoga positions. You can't do that. You have to come into the present. And that for me, and this might not work for other people, but for me, I have to come into the present and I have to breathe. And breathing is the best way to come into the present. And when...

When monkey mind takes over and you start thinking about the problems of the day rather than taking photographs, then it's time to concentrate on your breathing again. And then it clears the mind. That's when the magic happens.

Kim Grant (25:10.793)
Mmm.

Kim Grant (25:15.518)
Yes, and it's almost like setting that intention as well, isn't it? That intention of I'm going out to take photographs and I'm gonna do this, get into the moment, the intention of going into your yoga practice and even going back to the beginning of your story with your alcohol. It's like making that intention to stop. It's like we have to make that intention almost before things can actually happen. So yeah, there's a lot of wisdom in there. So yeah, thank you for sharing that, Robert. And one thing you'd mentioned are... Yes.

Robert Clark (25:43.265)
But can I just add one? Can I just add one? It doesn't always work. So sometimes I go out and I come back with nothing. But as other people have said over the show, I had a good walk. So it doesn't guarantee success, but it just means you started the process.

Kim Grant (25:45.419)
Of course, yeah.

No.

Kim Grant (26:03.518)
Yes, yeah, very true, very true. One thing you'd mentioned earlier was when you started to create ICM images and you posted on an Instagram and it got many likes, it was like, I don't know, there was something in that for you, but equally now you've gone on to create this lovely website gallery that you have and one of your reasons behind that is because of the kind of social media world and showcasing images on social media.

So I wondered, because this is where I found you and it's a part of your creative expression now, I wondered if you could explain a little bit about the website you've created and why you created it.

Robert Clark (26:41.341)
Okay, really what I was looking to find was somewhere where people could come and see my work and if I go back one step...

in May of this year, so the website didn't start until June, in May of this year, again, something popped up on my feed on social media that said, oh, we're offering a free one-hour mentoring session. Am I allowed to say who it was? It was with Morag Patterson.

Kim Grant (27:21.739)
Yeah.

Robert Clark (27:26.721)
and have a free one hour mentoring session. And I had a chat with Morag. And it was a case of what's stopping you achieving what you want to do, and what do you really want to achieve. And what I wanted to achieve was somewhere where my work could be seen on a permanent basis. And I found putting images, say, onto YouTube, sorry, onto Facebook, was that

The minute you put it into a Facebook group it gets buried within minutes by other stuff. And a lot of people put stuff on there that's, I won't say it's throw away, but for them, you know, they're experimenting, they're trying new things and what happens when I do this and what happens when I do that. And it's not a place to put your best work. If you've put a lot of time and effort into something and you've created a collection of images,

Robert Clark (28:24.065)
They need to be seen together. And so I'd come away with a task that I was to create a collection of images and I'd set myself the goal that...

When I'd done that, I was going to build somewhere where people could come and see them. And we were just taking our Motown over to Europe for three weeks. And I wasn't sure what the series of images would be. I had no idea what was going to happen. And...

I went off with the intention that when I saw something that resonated with me, that was going to be the basis of the collection. We went following the sun. My wife doesn't do the rain and we were following where the good weather was and we pulled up in a lay-by.

in northern Spain just on the border of La Mancha where the Don Quixote windmills are and Andalusia and pulled into this lay by and there's this little shrine there as the as the Ruaça there is in Spain and I got out to stretch my legs and it was in the spring and there were all these poppies a fantastic display of poppies

But they were buried under a sea of plastic water bottles that people had discarded on the side of the road.

Robert Clark (29:57.429)
And it was at that moment in time that I decided that was the collection. And I came up with this collection of images called Wild Andalusia. And it was about the unfolding environmental catastrophe that's happening in Spain. And it's happening everywhere, but it was particularly happening on this journey that you could see. And that was the start of the collection. And I got together these images, came back, and then I needed somewhere to put these images.

Kim Grant (30:14.519)
Mm.

Robert Clark (30:28.663)
and decided the only way I could really do this was to set up my own website. I'd spent 30 years in online retail and so building a website was something that we had other people in the business do. It was something I'd done.

20 or 30 years ago when we'd built our first website I built it myself but technology had moved on from then and so anyway I am set up a website and I thought well you know it's okay me putting my work up there but who's gonna come and see it so how about if I get other people to put their work on there as well and maybe they'll have a look at my work when they're coming to look at their work

Kim Grant (31:07.185)
Mm-hmm.

Robert Clark (31:19.725)
And one lesson I learned early on in my working life was that you can only achieve what you want in life if you help enough other people to help what they want in life. And yes, there were people who wanted somewhere to display their collections of work and I could offer them that and they'd probably look at my work at the same time. And that started in July. I hadn't been on Instagram prior to that.

standing start. It's all been this very steep, almost vertical learning curve and that's sort of how it happened. And I think the best thing in all of this was I had an open exhibition that I did about a month ago.

Kim Grant (32:03.598)
Wow.

Robert Clark (32:12.253)
Where people could, you know, because sometimes people struggle to get to put together a collection of images. They haven't got 12 images that tells a story. I thought, well, how about if they do just one? And I had an open exhibition called The Moment, A Moment of Movement, that was all about for me the time in which you move your camera when you take an ICM image.

And that for me was really the pinnacle of the setting up of the website. And it's great to have people come along with a collection of images. And they're absolutely, I'm blown away by them. It makes my work look a bit sort of homemade. And there's some really, really fantastic artists out there. But to get people to put one in, I think is really good as well.

Kim Grant (33:12.151)
Mmm.

Robert Clark (33:13.355)
We're just, I'm doing another one now and it's an open exhibition for people to put in one image and it's their best image, their best ICM image of 2023 and that will be going live around the end of December and hopefully there'll be a load of images there for people.

Kim Grant (33:29.25)
Wow.

That's incredible. It's amazing because it really shows the power of collaboration. And, you know, like you'd said there about, you know, helping people and also helps you. It's like you've brought all these incredible ICM artists together on a platform where, you know, not only you can showcase your work, but they can showcase their work. It's bringing people in, bringing more people awareness to ICM, but also allowing you and them to have connections and inspiration from each other.

Robert Clark (33:43.395)
Yeah.

Kim Grant (34:00.502)
These open exhibitions are beautiful because, you know, you're learning so much from the process as well as them. And that's one of the fundamental parts of photographic connections. It's about connecting people through photography and you've found your own way of doing that. And I think the, how much interest you've been having just shows, you know, that you're on the right path and how much, you know, now your time is dedicated to photography, which is beautiful.

Robert Clark (34:27.994)
I think it's about giving people a showcase where they can... because ICM photography doesn't get a lot of press and to allow people to go there and show it to people who appreciate ICM I think is very, very important.

Kim Grant (34:47.586)
Yes, and it's definitely shifting. There's many, many more ICM artists coming out of the woodwork and more and more people getting into it. But I think particularly in the more traditional photography circles, like potentially not every club, but there's a lot of camera clubs and competitions that aren't always open to these things. Although that is changing, which is really nice, but it's nice for people to have this actual dedicated space where it's like.

I love ICM, I'm going to enter these exhibitions and showcase my work and connect with these people and it's, it is I think we all just want to meet like-minded people in life and to find platforms and communities that we can do that is, it's a beautiful way to bring us all together.

Robert Clark (35:31.701)
I think another thing that was important to me in setting up the website was that there would be no judgement. That there would be no... If you enter an exhibition or enter a competition and you win, that's marvellous. But how about all the people who don't win?

What did it say to those people? You know, your work wasn't good enough today. And I wanted to be able to say to people, if you know, the only editorial judgment here is the one that you put on yourself by choosing the images to go online. If you're happy with it, I'm happy with it. Because I think with art, how can you decide whether something is good or bad?

Kim Grant (36:23.146)
Yes, totally agree.

Robert Clark (36:24.705)
It's very difficult. It's very, very difficult.

And so if somebody comes along and they've, you know, you tell people have put in an awful lot of effort into creating a collection of images, do I like them myself all of the time? No. Because it may not be a sub-genre of ICM that I particularly like. But I appreciate what they've done and I put it up and other people appreciate it and, you know, but how could you, you know,

very negative. So I think you know for me it's if you're happy with the work then I'm happy with it. As long as it's ICM, it has to be ICM. If I get 12 photographs of your cat it's not gonna go up there.

Kim Grant (37:05.722)
Mmm. Heheheheh.

Robert Clark (37:16.769)
But if you put in an ICM image, it will go up there. And that's what I wanted people to know. When I have an open exhibition, like the best of 2023, I wanted people to, you know, it's about messaging and it's about saying to people, this is not me choosing my favorite picture of yours for 2023, this is about you picking yours. And if you submit it, it will get shown.

Kim Grant (37:45.438)
Yes, yes, we definitely need more of that because as you rightly say that if somebody's happy with their images, then that's all that matters. And one thing I've learned on my journey is the images that I like today, there's a couple of course that I've always liked since I began, but the sort of images I like today and the images I create today are very different to the images I liked and created 10 years ago.

So, you know, we are always evolving and changing as people. So like, you could look at one of your images today and maybe not like it, but in three years time, you're like, wow, I didn't realise I'd taken this and it hadn't resonated with me at the time. So when we think about that judgment, it's like, not only, you know, we're just judging how we're responding to something in that moment. And just because we don't like an image one year doesn't mean we won't like it the next. But I think there's a good tie in there with...

Robert Clark (38:08.49)
Exactly.

Robert Clark (38:19.238)
Yeah.

Robert Clark (38:28.985)
next time.

Robert Clark (38:32.38)
Thanks, all.

Kim Grant (38:33.834)
with yoga, isn't there? Because yoga is all about non-judgment and being open to, you know, how you're feeling in the day and things. So it kind of ties through a lot of your life.

Robert Clark (38:43.905)
I think it weaves itself into your life that you try not to judge. And as you find yourself in yoga, to do yoga perfectly is difficult, but if you show up and you sit down and you come into the present, that's probably the most important thing, that you've turned up and you're going to do yoga today.

Kim Grant (39:11.626)
Yeah, yeah.

Robert Clark (39:13.278)
And I think the same thing applies to photography. You've got your camera and you've gone out to do something. Because if you don't, you won't get any result.

Kim Grant (39:24.694)
Yes, yeah, brilliant. Well, Robert, I have to say it's been an absolute pleasure to speak with you today and I think your honesty at the beginning about everything that you've experienced and then how photography has really helped you through that and how quickly this has all evolved for you. I think there's a lot of inspiration in there for people so I just want to thank you for your honesty and for coming on and for those who would like to connect with you further or get involved with your website and where can they go to find you?

Robert Clark (39:54.598)
If they go to impressionography.org

they'll see the gallery. If they want to see, I only put on my collections, so there's lots of stuff that doesn't automatically form part of a collection and that stuff goes onto Instagram and you can find me on Instagram as Impressionography. And if anyone's listening, we've got an open exhibition, watch out, follow us on Instagram and you'll find from time to time we have open exhibitions where people can just put in one image. Or if any of your listeners

Kim Grant (40:16.29)
Brilliant.

Robert Clark (40:28.911)
of ICM images that they want to put in the gallery, they can do that via the website. For me, it's about seeing everybody else's work. So if we get one person put in a collection as a result of this, then that would have made my day.

Kim Grant (40:46.29)
Oh, how lovely. I'm sure there will be some interest. And the fact that this is online, you know, people can enter from anywhere. Well, enter, sorry, they can submit, submit images from anywhere. So it's, it's open to everyone. Yeah. What could be better? Well, thank you again, Robert. It's been an absolute pleasure.

Robert Clark (40:55.585)
Yeah, which is fantastic. Yeah, and it's free.

Robert Clark (41:09.544)
Thank you. Speak to you soon.