Episode 25 - A DRAG EPISODE! We have Landon Reid aka June Rogers!

This week we interview the legendary Landon Reid - aka June Rogers - about his experiences in drag, creating his character and dealing with Creepy Conservative Men!

We also delve into the nuances of being Gen Z and how Millennials need to get out and vote in order to secure a solid future for Gens Z and Alpha.

Be sure to follow Landon! His content is amazing!

TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@and_mayhem_ensued_

IG: https://www.instagram.com/and_mayhem_ensued/

Transcript

Landon: 0:00

Hello my Strange Little Onions! You asked so I'm delivering another installment of creepy conservative men who come into my DMs because they think I'm a woman. Once upon a DM notification Hey, babe, you up? He said, up for what? Thai food adventure, dubious gas station Thai food which consuming it would be an adventure in itself. I asked Paul, what you talking about? He asked. I see we're both confused and I'm not understanding why you asked if I was up and I asked for clarification as to what you meant. I said, Yeah, babe. You up? He asked again up for a walk on the beach up for committing tax fraud. It's a very open ended question. I said, Are you refrigerated or something? He asked but he did not say refrigerated I for one do not like having my intelligence insulted after I've been the one who has put forth all effort in our electronic communications thus far. Babe, if you don't want to be called refrigerated, don't act like you're refrigerated. But again, he did not say refrigerated. I was only asking if you were awake. He said obviously, I'm awake. I've been conversing with you quite charmingly. I might add for quite some time. Now. I said. That's when he sent me a picture. Whatever could it be? It was his dangling for reference. Well, that wasn't very impressive. Maybe you should try retaking that photo when you're up, babe. I said, you bitch. He said his two IQ points began hopping up and down on the keyboard of his phone. I knew I was going to have quite a bit of time as those little buggers were working over time trying to craft a coherent comeback. So I went to go look at his page. You'll never guess what I found. boobs and guns and Trump supporter boobs and guns and transphobic posts. And its followers list. I found something I decided to send him a picture because that was clearly what he was after all along. I started with a photo of a woman in a bikini Her head was carefully cropped off. Ha ha ha boob. Maybe you could show me a little more skin. He said all right, I said so I sent him the photo without being so cropped on the decolletage. Why the Funyuns did you send me a picture of my mother in a swimsuit? He said in all exclamation points. Disclaimer, this next part of the story didn't happen because it's illegal and I spoke to a lawyer and I would never do anything illegal. The same reason I sent her the photo you sent me I'm just a mentally unstable drag queen. I said right before I blocked him thank you for watching have a hug a cookie and a juice box.

Vanessa: 2:58

I'm so behind on my vocal training. So here we go. I want to get the surgery but you can't talk for two weeks. And I have a three year old and my co parents like I can't do this solo for free for two weeks. I have to find the job first. So I can afford a nanny. Anyways, so hello everybody welcome back to transcending humanity. This is episode 25 I apologize for the break last week I needed a little bit of mental health time and honestly I forgot to tell people when I was recording so no one was yeah Zack showed up but I'm just like you know I don't have an immediate it is so whatever. Today we have a special test. We have the amazing Linden raid aka June Rogers you can find him pretty much most of the socials anymore Right? Yeah. And mayhem ensued which is how did you come up with that name?

Landon: 3:58

I came up with that name back when I wasn't expecting anything to happen from social media. If I was to do it over again I would have just done my name but there's no going back now.

Vanessa: 4:12

But you know it's kind of it's it's kind of now become synonymous with you and it's kind of fucking awesome. It has it has in mayhem ensued. It's it's so it's it's topical to when it comes to our current political climate. So I'll just give me a second to introduce yourself.

Landon: 4:32

Hello, I am Landon Reed. I am a political drag queen. I often call myself and I often cough I often call myself an accidental drag queen. That was a tongue twister. Yes, I became a drag queen just doing Halloween costumes and then creepy conservative Ben started messaging me on Instagram because they thought I was a woman and yours Years later, I started telling those stories on tick tock, and it took off. It's

Vanessa: 5:07

if you're like, What 100 100 Something of them now?

Landon: 5:12

Yeah, yeah, I stopped numbering them because it was too hard to keep track.

Vanessa: 5:16

I can imagine.

Landon: 5:19

If now I can repost them.

Vanessa: 5:21

Yeah, true because we have some older ones and it's if you need to go watch his show on Tik Tok and you do a lot of money, Instagram too, right? I do. Okay, so but I know Tik Tok is kind of your primary platform even though you're getting politic on there, but it's hilarious just because he does it in his June Rogers persona. And Jean Rogers is gorgeous, like 50s housewife, really? So why is my phone ringing

Landon: 5:56

connect device to Camera

Vanessa: 5:59

that lose my video. Son of a bitch. There. Thank you. So, okay, looks like I'll be cutting that part out. Half the time I leave that shit in though just because it's fun. But

Landon: 6:20

oh, and just put like a roasting caption. Yeah.

Vanessa: 6:26

So let's see. Where was I? So Linda has a my brain just died. So, Landon's creepy, conservative thing he does in his startup ring. He does in his tune, Rogers persona. And Jun is you modeled her after pretty much 50s housewife crack. Okay, did she's absolutely gorgeous. And like, it's you just have to watch it. And all these creepy conservative men send him these just really inappropriate shit. And Landon does a thing that I am all about accountability. If you follow me on LinkedIn, I'm, like big on accountability. So calling these people out because it's it has to be called out. Because these people vote too. So it's, it's terrifying. But it's so much fun. Let's see. So you said you kind of gotten a drag accidentally, just through Halloween? Where How did you? Where did June come from?

Landon: 7:38

Well, June Rogers is taken from Fred Rogers and June Cleaver. Because those two people were great influences on me as a child. As a matter of fact, when I started tick tock at the beginning of the pandemic, I was doing Mr. Rogers daily affirmations and getting mass reported for them every single time like, which was ridiculous. So I started doing this character Jun Rogers, who is she doesn't exist in the 1950s. She actually exists in a post apocalyptic future where conservatives have made America their dog whistle version of the 1950s. They made great again, yeah, they don't want higher taxes on the wealthy, higher minimum wages, strong worker unions, universal health care, they don't want that part of the 1950s. What they want is racism, sexism, and homophobia. Yes. So Jun was a feminist reporter in the fifth in the before times, then when everything happened, they put all of the conservative women who helped them gain power in the background because no one trusted them and they needed a woman who could help settle down all of the liberal women. So they brought on June because everyone knew her from her journalism days. And they started making her host this 50s style homemaker show. And June is called America's most eligible housewife because she analyzed her husband because he was having an affair, and they cannot arrest her. Because by acknowledging she did something to her husband would mean women have some level of power in their own destiny. So everyone just pretends he ran off to Tijuana with his secretary.

Vanessa: 9:49

Right there that is, see I didn't know that backstory that is absolutely brilliant. It's it's such a mix of things. But the scary thing is, is it doesn't sound very conceited. But at all, it's like it gives us all happened before. Yeah, exactly. It gives me very Hunger Games vibes.

Landon: 10:10

So Hunger Games Handmaid's Tale. Yes, yeah, I, I didn't directly take from The Handmaid's Tale. It just kind of happened that way. In the same way Margaret Atwood took from how history works over and over and over and wrote The Handmaid's Tale. I did the same and they lined up. But unlike The Handmaid's Tale, I made it this very hyper feminine 1950s aesthetic. Because that is what they would bring back.

Vanessa: 10:45

Yes, it really is. It really is. So which I find

Landon: 10:48

it perplexing all of the women who want to dogpile on trans women and drag queens and want to impose dress codes, again, like even liberal women, like there are air quotes around liberal, but liberal women who are saying that it's like, Honey child, you're wearing pants. Yeah, you're wearing a tank top. You think you're not wearing a bra? Do you honestly think this? No, like, you're gonna need to be girdling that in you're gonna need to be wearing a cone bra. That's what they want. Yeah.

Vanessa: 11:28

Yeah, it's I know that Margaret Atwood also, she say like, hello people that you're not supposed to be taking my book literally and putting it and putting it. So yeah, I came across an Instagram profile. It was a trans woman. But like right at the top of it. She said drag queens take away femininity, drag queens are destroying womanhood. I'm like, What the fuck? No, they're not. It's, I mean, it's performance. And if you go back, but Shakespearean days, men played all the way. So

Landon: 12:07

well. I one thing I find so perplexing about these people who feel drag queens are degrading women is I went to, you know, evangelical Christian summer camps. And every single one of the things where it's like a your group memorize Bible verses, your male leader is going to put on a dress. And Milton Berle and all of these things, football players dressing up as cheerleaders. There is a lot of times men have dressed up as women to degrade women and make fun of women. And you're not calling those out. You're calling out for your people. You're calling out the group that is idolizing women being reverent towards women calling out sexism and the treatment of women in a subversive way.

Vanessa: 13:08

It's a brilliant art it's something I never really had a whole lot of exposure to in the past. And you're only the third directly I've ever met clinical in person I met to at a party Halloween party last year where they dressed up as Beetlejuice and Lydia and I had a beard and fucking amazing but yeah, it's I am there's so much vilification of drag queens now where, you know, conservatives are like, they're molesting kids. And the data does not back that up like November. Her name. There's there's a trans lawyer on

Landon: 13:50

ticked on. Yes. It was really committing crimes. Yes, her I love her.

Vanessa: 13:55

Yeah, exactly. I can't remember her name offhand. But yeah, it's, she goes through in its fathers, its religious officials, its elected officials. And I think like, she's tracked, like, five voted so far this year. And like, I think, like, two did drag. And so who's the real enemy here? It's the the drag and trans communities are so intertwined in that. Yeah. And politically, so but, and a lot of lot of people think that trans people are drag queens. We're not but there is a lot of overlap too. There's a fair number of drag queens are like, Oh, shit, I'm trans. So but

Landon: 14:41

yeah, interesting thing because I do on tick tock live. Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday at eight central I do drag queen storytime not always drag queen storytime. It's just whenever I'm in Dragon have filmed I'm in dragged there. And I did that for almost a year before the trolls started coming in calling me a pedophile and a groomer. And do you want to know when that happened three days after the Southern Baptist Church had to release all of their pedophile that they had moved around all their pedophile pastors and clergy members, they just discreetly moved around and the lawsuits they paid off three days after that bombshell dropped. And that was three days after the Conservatives started spinning and deflecting, because heaven forbid, we actually look at who's really doing it.

Vanessa: 15:39

Sadly, they, I've said it a million times on the show that conservatives just project, like put all these kind of drag bills in the trans bills. It's like these conservatives that are I, my stepfather is a Republican in the Ohio House of Representatives, Ohio State House of Representatives. And I looks I'm actually planning on running myself. So I was looking at my opponent who's signed on all the imagery and stuff. But it was very refreshing to see that my stepfather, I've never met him because, you know, that's like how many parents that suck. But it was very refreshing to see a Republican that all of the stuff that he's co sponsored, or just economic stuff stuff actually trying to help people, not a single discriminatory bill that he's co sponsored. So that was refreshing to see. So we know that there are some, it's this far right, contingent that they're just obsessed, like, honestly, they're obsessed with kids genitals, which just creeps me out. And, you know, the people that are so obsessed with that stuff, what are they really into, because, again, they're projecting so to go along with your storytime, I know that you have an issue with on Tik Tok with the trolls reporting, you know, you're one strike away from being

Landon: 17:12

Yeah, I, I have. Okay, so, as I mentioned, my Mr. Rogers, daily affirmations, and my beat those being reported, I feel like I was put in a separate category, by tick tock, I think they kind of realized, Oh, if this person gets reported, it's kind of going to be bogus. So I feel like I was moved to a separate category, because so many friends cannot believe my account hasn't been banned the number of of violations that you know, have come back, no violation, but they still will ban an account over that. But yeah, I have had 38 Live strikes at this point. And I think you're supposed to have three before they give you a permanent live suspension. So I've been very lucky. But you know, last week, they just gave me a little. If you get one more word, you're you're out. So

Vanessa: 18:13

it's stupid, because you're not doing anything wrong.

Landon: 18:16

I know, to the listeners.

Vanessa: 18:18

Oh, go ahead.

Landon: 18:19

First of all, tick tock is an app for 13 year olds, and over. So if a child under the age of 13 is watching my storytime, they're watching with a parent's permission with a parent, or the parent doesn't know. And that is a parental issue. Not my problem. Exactly. The majority of people who watch my storytime are adults, because guess what, it's very therapeutic. It's nostalgic to have someone read a book to you. It's healing.

Vanessa: 18:47

And you're just reading children's books I am there's it, it blows my mind that people have, quote, unquote, a problem with that. They're just, they're just in the end, they're just cruel. And because you're doing a service to humanity, honestly, because you don't get paid for that. No. And

Landon: 19:11

I think I will get like 40 cents to $2 alive and gifts, you know, which is I started a Patreon and people are like, because you're just in it for the money and like, each of these hour long lives takes like, two hours work worth of work you don't see. So it's like three hours, three times a week. I used to do seven times a week, but that was just too exhausting. Yeah, so I had to lower that. And it's like, yeah, I started a Patreon to help justify the amount of time I was doing this. And the people are like you're getting paid by by the deep state and Like, if I was getting paid by the deep state, I would have much better clothes.

Vanessa: 20:07

Yeah. Oh, so every time you do it, it's good losing money between it, especially when you're doing as June. You know the outfits that you buy because you have an entire wardrobe. And

Landon: 20:17

I am very lucky that people have just sent me stuff

Vanessa: 20:21

that is really cool. I've sent some of your boxing videos.

Landon: 20:24

I am very lucky in that, that is

Vanessa: 20:26

super handy. I'm also jealous that of the dresses that you can wear, I am, I used to be skinny, like I, I just did that a i 990s yearbook photo, because that's the trend. And then at the end, I put a picture of my, my actual, I graduated 1999 My actual yearbook photo. And I'm like, I was so skinny, then I was like six foot, and 165 pounds. Now in 511 and 247 pounds. I'm just like, ah, all these dresses I wish that I could get into but I have an entire wardrobe of dresses that don't fit me until I lose weight. But so I'm jealous of that. When you do that. When you do the back and forth walking.

Landon: 21:11

I do have recommendations for you if you want like brands that go up to a lot of sizes.

Vanessa: 21:20

It's a plus, it's our opinion, how tall are you? I'm 6161. Okay, so you didn't tell her and I am so yeah, it's tall girl problems you run into? So let's see, what do I have next for you? So drag often involves elaborate costumes and makeup, which here's I would say is a lot more. That's when she elaborated a lot more. What's the word?

Landon: 21:45

Then? Tick? 50s? Yes,

Vanessa: 21:47

authentic 50s. Kim, can you tell us about the process of getting dragged from selecting the outfit and doing your makeup and you usually wear wigs Correct?

Landon: 21:59

I do I wear a wig or I've started doing half wigs like a vintage fall. So it's my hair in front. But my process I designed if you go back to my early creepy men videos, you will see the makeup back when I had like, I started telling those stories when I had 400 followers, and no one was watching. So I was like, Okay, I'm just going to tell one of these stories one day. So it was like I'm going to spend three minutes on my makeup with some Dollar Tree products I have. And it took me three minutes did it told the story. And now like the makeup takes 45 minutes to an hour and a half just to do but I decided that I needed to create a cohesive face look for June because she's a real person. Yeah, not some. I'm not somebody who just changes up the look and you won't recognize me from day to day even when I have different hair. So I took great inspiration from the Barbie Silkstone line that they that Mattel used to do, which was this vintage 50s inspired line of expensive fashion dolls for collectors. And I decided what if Mattel made a June Cleaver Barbara Billingsley. Silkstone what would that look like? So every day, that is my inspiration. And I tend to use products that have been around since the 50s smart and techniques from the 50s so I watch a lot of 1950s makeup tutorial videos and look at the little brochures to see how they did it. Which is funny because a lot of people go here wearing too much makeup women would never like oddly the most makeup I wear is when I do Lucille Ball.

Vanessa: 24:09

Really? Yeah, I can see that because you really have to do the embellishments and stuff like that. So yeah, like if you if you go watch Landon as June it's if you did your videos in black and white, it would say you would seriously think that they were recorded in the 50s. So Leonard has that the look absolutely nailed it. It's It's amazing. So since drag is a form of self expression, what aspects of your own personality do you put into June and other Andre that you do?

Landon: 24:47

Hmm. The line between June and I has definitely been blurred from the beginning to now. June was originally much more psychotic, for lack of a better word, like mentally unstable children and yeah, so I did drift more into June and I are the same person. Basically, like we have the same mannerisms same inflection. Now June does speak a little bit faster because she has to get through a lot of stuff. Yeah, she does. So it that is the voice of June is just my voice but faster. Because I already speak like someone from the 50s.

Vanessa: 25:35

Yeah, you definitely have that pipe. So it's, it's, it's just, it works so well. I love it.

Landon: 25:42

When I was three, I saw a Katharine Hepburn movie on TV. And I fell in love with that transatlantic accent. And I started talking with the transatlantic accent, and it took about four days before my parents put the kibosh on that. So I went back to talking normally, then I would subtly bring inflections into words to get the accent we have. linguists have watched my videos and like Gone, where are you from? What is this accent and I'm like, I made it up when I was three.

Vanessa: 26:17

So cool. I love that. I hate when parents stifle kids like I as as a mother, myself, I, I grew up in a very abusive, horrible Christian conservative home, which I get the vibe that you kind of had that same kind of thing. And parents don't stifle your kids don't stifle their curiosity. It benefits nobody. It just, it hurts them. And it hurts you in the end, too. So I imagine if you're able to express that more when you're going yeah, just would have been. It would have been fun.

Landon: 26:54

Yeah, my mother and I do have a very good relationship. It is one of those of I would be fascinated to see who I would be as a person if I had, who my mother is now. Because we both grown we both let go of a lot of baggage. Yeah. If the woman she has now had been raising child, me and my father, we called Voldemort wasn't in the picture. Who would I've been? Because I would probably be completely different and exactly the same. If that makes Yeah.

Vanessa: 27:30

Your mom, I mentioned this Gen X, right. Okay, because my parents are boomers. But so Gen X and I, I'm an elder millennial Xenial. So we were raised by boomers. So I imagine your mom was probably around a lot of boomers and even the silent generation. So it's the atmosphere that they were raised in can just be so toxic, and they just push it on. It's so hard to break generational trauma. So, but I'm glad to hear that your mom has started to push away from that. So it's because it's rare. And, you know, there's some like you that is creative, and beautiful and powerful. And so I'm so glad to see that you're able to have that in your life and project it and bring it to the world. So let's see, what's the next one I have for you. So drag queens often face a lot of challenges and criticism, both online and real life? How do you handle the negative comments and vitriol and what advice would you give to other queer people that face similar challenges?

Landon: 28:49

Well, I have not been, I don't really do drag in the real world. I've been in drag three times in the real world. And I have a funny story about that. I was invited to Alabama pride. And I was staying in a very sketchy hotel, and I had to get in drag and go out into the lobby. And as I was walking out, this man who might as well have been wearing a maga Donald Trump hat and t shirt and everything, walked up to me and was like, like, scowling like he was scowling at me for like four minutes as I was waiting for an Uber. And he like walked up to me, what are you a trans and I looked at him and went, No, I'm a tall and he, like, profusely apologized and walked away.

Vanessa: 29:57

Oh, that's amazing.

Landon: 29:59

I I will say, I do think when I go out in public in drag, people do think I am just tall, and not a drag queen and not trans. Probably because of the heavy 50s influence. I just look like I'm doing pinup costume. And I'm a tall woman. So that is the thing that's just off enough. Yeah. I promise I will get back to the question at hand. No, you're fine. But another thing is, people who watch my videos, and I have had a lot of people who follow me who didn't know I was drag queen, and didn't even think I was trans. It all depends on what video they followed from. So if you if you follow from a video where I start off with, because they think I'm a woman, like, you know, right off the bat, you and you will never unsee it. But I've had many people message me going how like, I just saw your the first creepy man video of yours today. I thought you were a woman. For months, I've loved your content, because I just liked your pretty close videos or your videos where you talk about 1950s history like so generally, when it comes to criticism, I do find it's not actually criticism of me. Like one of the most common things people criticize me for is they will call me fat. And it's like, where are we getting fat? As they seen? You know, right? This

Vanessa: 31:51

is fat, okay.

Landon: 31:55

And a lot of times people will, like go, Oh, why would I listen to someone with such obviously fake teeth and like, My teeth are our real life. I know. Like, they're my real teeth. They're just you take care of them. Yeah, they, they just criticize anything. And half of the time, it's just so laughable. And if they ever hit on something that would have offended me, it's like, Oh, you just got lucky. You just got lucky. I do find the people that you will actually care about and want to have a conversation with and want to get to know will want to get to know you by what you are presenting to the world. And if somebody doesn't want to get to know you because of what you're doing. Why do you care?

Vanessa: 32:48

Yeah. Yeah, that's, I mean, my, my advice to people just to deal with trolls is don't engage. And because it takes away their power, so and that's kind of what you're doing. You know, it's just

Landon: 33:04

it's nice. You love engaging and troll, sometimes it is fun. I do. But I have, I will say, I would. I've told so many people don't engage with trolls. Because I'm able to do it in a way where they will never rattle me. I will always remain calm, I will always stay focused. And I can guess like a cute girl boss the situation until they are a raving lunatic. And if you tried to engage with them in the way I do, people would probably just see two crazy people yelling at each other. Yeah, yeah. I always say kill with kindness. Because if nothing else that makes you more sympathetic to the jury. True.

Vanessa: 33:53

True. You are you have this amazing ability to be very calm. And that's one thing I've noticed about June is it's probably part of the persona because you know, she has that psychopathic thing behind her. But just how calm and composed you are all the time it's going to challenge that so I don't know if I've just become I don't know. Oh, I have a off the off the bar thing. Where did you come up with the strange little onions. When I was

Landon: 34:29

around four years old, I just started calling myself a strange little onion, which really goes to show what a strange little onion I am. It's, it is just gibberish. It's so fun, pure and simple. It's just gibberish. And I think it's very timely now because it's not gender specific. And it is just a thing of if you feel if something inside you makes you feel warm When I say stranger onion you are one.

Vanessa: 35:05

I love it. That's it. Lenin. OpenSprinkler almost all of your episodes with I do. Hello my stranger the onions. And yeah, I just love that. Thank you see?

Landon: 35:19

Also the name it's also my artist name, so I have no onion art.

Vanessa: 35:26

See, it just fits. It's so neutral and for some reason that it gives me Final Fantasy vibes. I think it's just because I think in Final Fantasy, there's like an onion night or something. I don't know. But that's just my my brain doing this. Like we're having conversation here. My brains like okay, I'm here, but I'm also way over fuck over there. So are there? Do you have any inspiration from other drag artists at all? Or is it mainly just from the 50s stuff?

Landon: 36:01

Mainly 50s. There are a lot of drag queens that I like, bend to like cram and Jinx monsoon you know, top two. They're the ones where I go, I feel if we met in person, we would just be fast friends. Yeah. But I do watch drag queens, like drag queens who do very glam makeup? No. All right. How do you do that? How do you do that? Because I've tried to do something similar, but the techniques aren't quite right. For the implementation.

Vanessa: 36:39

It's the like, the first one that comes to my mind is Trixie Mattel, and her just because every single time it's completely spot on. Like, even though she uses different products and everything. Like she has her homecare travel kit, and it's it, it's kind of mind blowing to see the transformation in detail that goes into it. So with my my very limited makeup skills, I'm just like, I can see my eyes and I can't do any contouring or whatever. I haven't figured that stuff out. It's there's so much art that goes into it. And if you don't watch Landon's videos, like, as I said before, like, he looks like a woman out of the 50s it's just you just nail it. So it's wild. What's the most heartwarming thing that you've come across? As GM?

Landon: 37:39

Oh. Um, I don't know if it's heartwarming, or tragic, because it flipflops is how much the creepy man series resonates with women. And that is like one of those where whenever I read the comments are like, Oh my gosh, I wish I had had that comeback, you know, when I was young and say, Oh, that made me happy. Oh, that makes me so sad. This is a universal experiment experience

Vanessa: 38:18

is and it shouldn't be. It should

Landon: 38:21

not be. One of the things I always point out to people is number one, people go oh, you cat fish. These men. These men, catfish themselves. Information was right there. You know, I probably had hashtag drag queen on the video or photo they saw on Instagram. They didn't do any research because straight white cisgender men have no natural predators so they don't research things. So these men, catfish themselves, I answer them 99% of the time as if I think they're talking to me. Not a woman, like I know they're talking to a woman but I answered them as if they're talking to me, which is diabolical. Another thing that I find just fascinatingly bizarre, is how men who want to discredit me will call me a liar. No woman ever has. No woman has ever said I was a liar. Women have said I've tried to entrap these men. Which also the whole argument of what was she wearing? Like, total crap, let's throw that away because I'm dressed like a 50s housewife very contrived, not a pinup girl 50s I'm dressed like a mother of three go into the bake sale. And these men will do that too.

Vanessa: 39:58

It has nothing to do There's nothing to do with what your know. Like, and it's not catfishing them because they came to you. Exactly. And all of them it's profiles, it says land and read at the top. And a lot of times it has a picture just as a view as landed. So the these guys just don't research anything, which is

Landon: 40:24

one photo or one video and immediately hit message.

Vanessa: 40:28

Exactly. It's like, oh, no,

Landon: 40:31

you know what this woman's gonna want to see the penis. I've gotten

Vanessa: 40:35

a few already. I'm I like micro micro micro influencer status right now. So I don't have a ton, but I get a few of those Instagram messages where Instagram, blurs it out for me, so I don't have to see it. But it's like, I now especially not on post that I can just say. Even now that I'm post up, I'm still bigger than you. For those that don't know, Apple stock trans woman, a lot of the times they take your penis in a Chevron and yes, so my vaginal canal is what used to be my penis. And I still say it's bigger. So whatever. awkward moments with Vanessa. So, so your driving experience is definitely different. I would say from the typical one.

Landon: 41:25

Yeah. And I'm totally accidental. has also given me a great amount of ability to think through every move I make. So everything I've done has been a reaction to what they say about me. So it's like, oh, drag queens are sledding, I'm going to be a classy, frigid woman. Drag Queens wear too much makeup. I'm going to wear the amount of makeup a woman wear on her wedding day. Drag queens are overtly sexual. I'm never going to mention anything sexual.

Vanessa: 42:09

I have nothing sexual about June at all.

Landon: 42:12

No, I think June is asexual. Yeah, I

Vanessa: 42:15

would agree with that.

Landon: 42:17

Like, it's just that there is I did everything as a reaction to what they said about me. And the thing is, conservatives gave me a platform, because they didn't give me what I wanted, which was to just be left alone. And they continue to interact with me. And they continue to give me a platform, because they wouldn't leave me alone. Even when I had 200 followers on Instagram and was a 17 year old, posting a photo of me dressed as the paperbag princess or something for Halloween.

Vanessa: 42:58

What they don't understand is, it's very clear consumers don't understand how algorithms work. And it's all about engagement. So like, all those people that like will comment on something I don't want to see this on my feed. Well guess what, asshole? It's gonna be on your feed.

Landon: 43:15

It is on my on my lives on my makeup lives. Because a lot of times I do my makeup on live. It's just nice to have someone to chat with for

Vanessa: 43:24

the hours and yeah,

Landon: 43:27

I get the people that go. Oh, I see you on my feed as these fanboys and like, then don't interact and scroll on by. I've got to be honest. I don't get men doing makeup on my feed on tick tock, because I engage with political activism videos and women who makes soap like that. Those are the videos the algorithm shows me because I engage and interact and watch them and like them and share them and save them. If you're only seeing men doing makeup, which means a man doing makeup is not seeing maybe it's because you're not scrolling on by. Yeah, I also don't see men and pickup trucks have no interest in men and pickup trucks. The only one man and a pickup truck came across my feed. I wouldn't say anything. I just scrolled away. There is

Vanessa: 44:25

one man in the pickup truck that everybody needs to follow. I can say this right now. He goes by ginger Bailey on Tiktok. And he's fucking amazing. He, he has it's kind of a persona thing, where he's fairly like bearded, Redhead, big red beard. And he always He never wears a shirt. And he's always sunburned to shit and he has tons of tattoos. And you initially think that he's a conservative like, mega fucking chump pumper, but he's not at all. And he lampoon See these people so much like look at my truck and knitted inputs all just like this white trash stuff. He's absolutely hilarious. He's gorgeous. He is the one man in a truck that people need to watch, but it's not going to mess up your it's not going to mess up your algorithm either. So, because it doesn't mess up mine, so people have to check him out. Because typically, I generally don't like men, but he's cute. Um, so what? I'm not sure if I had other questions or not. Oh, here's a good one. As Gen Z here, I met your Gen Z, correct? I am. You're, in my opinion, Gen Z. We're gonna get into the political side of this now. Gen Z has the gumption, the passion, the drive to actually change shitness country. Because more than any other generation lately, more than my like school shootings and stuff started. When I was in high school. Columbine was my junior in high school. But now you just have all this shit working against you. And like, there's the push to change the voting age from 18 to 25. Because the Republicans are terrified of you. Because they know that once you have enough numbers that are old enough to run in, and that change, it's going to happen and they're going to be gone. So what changes and progress would you like to see start happening in next five years? In my opinion, I think the next five years are going to be absolutely sure it's a shit show. But after that, you're gonna have enough boomers dying off, like the Mitch McConnell's and stuff like getting dying out of office, because that's the only way that they're going to leave. What would you like to see in the next 510 years? What do you what do you see happening?

Landon: 47:08

Well, first thing I would like to see is for us as a country and the world to stop backpedaling into fascism and theocracy. Yes, like that is the first thing that needs to happen is we really can't move forward until that is addressed. And as a country, we've never really addressed it. Whenever it's come to a time. And they realize it's no longer publicly acceptable to be racist. They just are quiet for a decade. And then 10 years later, because everything looked pretty. We're shocked that it's going backwards again. Because I always say to be a conservative you have to be stupid or evil. It's true. You're either being misled by evil people. Or you are evil. Or a mix of both. Were a mix of both. Or a mix of both. Yeah. Marjorie Taylor Greene.

Vanessa: 48:23

Yeah. Boober those two. That is so honestly, I

Landon: 48:29

have more respect for Lauren Buber and Marjorie Taylor Greene, than I do for Ted Cruz and Lindsey Graham, and here's why. Those two are idiots. These two are smart. These two are calculated these two know what they're saying is lies and know what they're saying is gibberish. You don't graduate from Harvard, and think that trickle down economics is ever gonna work. You don't do that. Like be Lauren Bovard and Marjorie Taylor Greene believe every word they're saying is true. Ted Cruz, Lindsey Graham, like people don't believe a word they say no, they're just saying it to mislead people like Lauren bow Berta, Marjorie Taylor Greene. So in that way, I feel Lauren bowburn and Marjorie Taylor Greene are far more dangerous, but far less evil.

Vanessa: 49:29

Yeah, they're brainwashed. They're brainwashing. Brainwashing, and

Landon: 49:33

they are there, they're evil. They are evil. But they do think what they're doing is right. They're puppets they are

Vanessa: 49:44

so it's sad. And on one hand, I do feel bad for people like them on the other hand, I mean, they're causing so much destruction that it's hard to feel bad but it's It is sad to see that especially women like this is a meme I saw that. It's just, it's a picture of a woman sitting like this, with her just punching yourself in the face. And the caption says women that vote conservative. And it's true. It's I wish that we weren't so bipartisan in this country. Because their politics should be a spectrum. It's healthy to have a spectrum. And, like what they call the far left in this country is very centrist, and the rest of them in the rest of the world. So we are very far great country. Yes. Like what left us one? Isn't anything really that? No, we just want equality and health care that doesn't make up this. So and

Landon: 50:42

one of the things I find perplexing is how conservatives have managed to gain the evangelical Christian voter base. When if you actually looked at the teachings of Jesus, this is fascinating. The most hated politicians, by conservative evangelical Christians are AOC and Bernie Sanders. They're like one and two. And by sheer happenstance, they did not set out to do it. They did not. Their policies align with the teachings of Jesus more than any other politician, and they're the most hated. So what I want to ask evangelical Christian conservatives, are you actually worshiping if you think you're worshiping Jesus, you can't vote for the people who are the opposite of what he said to do. I always say, I like Jesus, I hate his book club.

Vanessa: 51:50

Yeah, exactly. Gandhi's same way. He's like, I like your Christ. But I don't like your Christians, because they're so very unpriced like so. We've talked about really living a fair amount on this show, and Taryn, one of our one of my co hosts, she's part indigitous. And she loves watching the rest of her dogs and Hello. And she likes to talk about this one scene where they said, Thank you white Jesus, and that's exactly who they're worshiping. They're worshipping white Jesus, which is a complete fabrication.

Landon: 52:24

Yes. They are not worshipping the Middle Eastern socialist Jew from the Bible.

Vanessa: 52:32

No, like Canada refugee. Yeah. I mean, if Jesus existed, I think he would be a pretty fun guy to hang out with. Yes.

Landon: 52:42

Well, I'm on on my lives whenever I have trolls who just start spewing things, I always like to point out. So there are six verses in the Bible that could be used against gay people. All of which were mis translated, three of which are in the Old Testament, which you claim you don't have to follow because of your covenant with Jesus. Whenever it's brought up that you eat pork, and were mixed fibers, so you don't get to quote Leviticus at me, which means you have three verses. Again, none of them said by Jesus, all three verses mistranslated. They were also referencing the original three. Like the New Testament ones, were referencing the Old Testament ones. So why should they be fooled anyway. But there are over 3000 verses in the Bible about not building border walls letting in immigrants and refugees. So you are cherry picking three verses to uphold bigotry and hatred against a group that you don't understand that does not affect you. And you're going to ignore 3000 verses about border walls, immigrants and refugees. Of course, it's the only time Jesus ever said anything that could be remotely used against gay people. Sorry, anything that could be remotely referencing gay people, trans people, intersex people, was when he said they were more holy than the hypocrites in the temple and that those who can accept them should for the kingdom of heaven. And the only time abortion is mentioned in the Bible, is the tutorial.

Vanessa: 54:23

Yeah, whenever you hear the Colbert's in the Marjorie Taylor faces saying, My deeply held religious beliefs. It's a completely fabricated religion. Like I mean, they they idolize Donald Trump as Christian leader and you see all this artwork of like,

Landon: 54:42

gold statue of him at CPAC. Yeah.

Vanessa: 54:46

And there's like there's pictures. There's drawings of him and currently in court with Jesus sitting next to him. Trump is about as far from a religious exam as possible, yet they hate Biden so much. He was a devout Catholic. You know, and don't get me started on Catholicism but at least Biden is like, if you want to follow someone to the religion, Biden is your boy. So personally, I'm not a fan of Biden. But no, it just doesn't make sense.

Landon: 55:24

Yeah, it is. So mind bogglingly perplexing. I mean, when you look at how Christians have been just completely misled, also, the Southern Baptist Church supported Adolf Hitler until Pearl Harbor. Interesting. Yeah.

Vanessa: 55:50

There's i There's a website, if you can look it up. Just say, just Google quotes from Hitler versus close quotes from Evan Jellicle. Pastors. Oh, I've seen that. Yeah, they're the same fucking thing. So it's terrifying. And that's we are diving quickly into fascism right now. Oh, yeah. The Trans community. We've talked about this over and over in the show, we are deep in the stages of genocide right now. And it's going to keep getting worse until it suddenly gets better. That's why I want to run for office because I want to show Gen Z that, if only moderately passing, big trainee can run and run, even if I wouldn't just run for office. So can they I want to pave the way to show them. Don't be afraid to do this. If I can do this in a very red area, like their Confederate flags all around me. Then they can do it too. So sorry, I know you're struggling. Oh, something Yeah,

Landon: 56:52

something that does terrify me with Gen Z, is we as a generation are experiencing tremendous burnout. And I have said this many times on tick tock. The parallels between the 1950s housewife and Gen Z are staggering. We were both born in a time of great turmoil. So you know, like June Cleaver, Barbara Billingsley was born, would have been five years old when women got the right to vote, would have lived through World War one too, and the great depression would have never had any financial stability. Most Americans didn't have indoor plumbing and electricity until 1950. And there was this time where it went from great suffering great hardship every day is a struggle to a pretty world of plastics and push buttons and magic that all you had to do was conform and be quiet. And quite honestly, that sounds quite nice some days to have stability in your life. When I believe it was Forbes listed the route for Gen Z's to have financial stability and it was like win the lottery become a successful internet influencer or marry money. Like when you have marrying money as our route to financial stability. And I and they are bombarding Gen Z girls with these 50s nostalgic Trad wife images, which most of them are cartoons. And we're cartoons for a reason. I like to do the 1950s housewife thing for another reason, which is to subvert the image because Leave It to Beaver. Donna Reed Show, June Cleaver Donna stone, incredibly feminist characters like they were feminist characters, and that they have been co opted by conservatives when they would have hated these women in real life. And these women would have despised these people that have co opted their image as what the ideal wife and mother is. I think we need to reframe the 50s housewife and look at historical context and look at the fact that they went from wearing flower sack dresses and having to ration everything to being able to make these dresses that could use an excessive amount of fabric. That's why the Dior New Look nipped in waist long, full circle skirts were so big in the 50s was fabric didn't mean Need to be rationed? We can do things excessively for the first time in their entire life. Transformative. Yes. So it is the you just need to look at the 50s housewife and look at Gen Z, and to go, they were just experiencing burnout, the 50s and women were serving the country during the war. They were exhausted, they were starving. I'm so many women in the 50s. A lot of people go it was the smoking it was the amphetamines that caused all of the miscarriages. Most doctors go like doctors weren't prescribing amphetamines for women when they were pregnant. And I believe it was like 40% of women actually smoked in the 50s versus 90% of men. But these women were having miscarriages because their bodies were starved when they were children. Yeah. Their bodies weren't equipped to bring life into this world because they were literally malnourished, which is also why they were so tiny. So it is that Gen Z we were born in. I was born a year before 911. But I don't remember it. We were born into war. We were born into financial instability. We haven't known an economy we, we as a group have never bought into the American dream. And possible in a way, millennials, my brother is six years older than me. They millennials, a lot of Gen Z called millennials, boomers without money. Because in a lot of ways, I think that's why boomers and millennials don't get along at all. And why Gen X and Gen Z do get along is because we're two generations that were ignored. You were two generations that everything was thrown out and doted on. Yeah. Millennials were kind of the last hurrah of the American dream. And it is still so ingrained in millennials that when they talk about dismantling and changing the system, there is an aspect of, but you just want to dismantle it and change it enough for you to get ahead. Whereas Gen Z is all about changing it. So everyone has a shot

Vanessa: 1:02:39

precisely. That is that is a quote for the ages, that you couldn't have nailed it better on ahead. That's, that's, as I said, that's why you want to rent it to pave the way for Gen Z to be able to do that, like you already see, like in Montana, where they had the Constitution do change to protect their ability to have a climate for the future. So it's Gen Z and then Gen Alpha coming up behind you. Yeah, they're fucking savages.

Landon: 1:03:08

Oh, Gen alphas terrifying. Yeah. Millennials, one of the things because I've seen so many videos from an IV, a lot of millennial friends, I have no problem with millennials. And a lot of Gen Z does have problems with millennials, and rightfully so. Rightfully so. Yes. But a lot of millennials go like, why doesn't Gen Z like us? Well, maybe it's because you leave comments if like Gen Z is gonna save us. We are a microgeneration. You are a massive generation that has the power that has the votes to change things. But you don't vote. Yeah. And when when, like States didn't win, like where they were predicted to turn blue in the last election in the midterms. And and like, millennials, were over there. Like it's because Gen Z didn't come out and vote and like Gen Z and Z voting in numbers that we have never seen generations vote before. Gen Z is voting in higher voter turnout. percentage wise, the millennials ever have. And most of us are still under a voting age. Yeah. So it's that big of how dare you just sit back and wait for children to fix your mess? Step up and do something.

Vanessa: 1:04:32

Like I've definitely said. I've said that Gen Z will save us words before, but I the context, I say and they will but we have to give them the ability to do it. Ya know, and right now we are not and millennials are very guilty of not showing up to the polls. I'm one of them. I didn't start voting until my late 30s. So it really ran when I came out because then I finally was passionate for things I was just living the quote unquote What's his hat? White guy, just, you know, I didn't care. So now I care deeply. And it's hard to get. It's hard to get my generation to care. So I, I honestly identify more with my gen x side, because I am right on the cusp, but I'm guilty of a lot of that stuff. And yeah, so yeah, folks, Gen Z can save us if we help them do it. Yes. And then Gen alpha, they're just gonna find the story, everything in a good way, I think but Well,

Landon: 1:05:36

okay. So an interesting thing is there is a cyclical cycle to humanity. And it's, I don't remember if it is, I'm going to totally butcher it. It's like a five or six generation cycle. Gen Alpha. They're basically the silent generation. I'm sorry, Jen. Yeah, Jen, alpha would be the silent generation where it's like, you helped out and you inherited the rewards. And then you gave all those rewards and doted them on to your children. And those children dismantle everything Gen Z and Gen Alpha worked for to give you. And then there's a little generation that gets about half as much as Gen alphas children will get. And they like, just sit back apathetically. And then the next generation is told they will inherit that same amount, and then they don't, and then the next generation comes dismantles everything, the whole system starts over again. Which is why I've been saying Gen Z is the 50s housewife.

Vanessa: 1:07:00

Yeah, I can definitely agree with that. Because just like the 50s housewife, get into, like, eco status history class in school, and you learn about history, your generation, the entire fucking thing. It's been nonstop history, building things, history, making things. It's not so like, first half of my life, very quiet. Now. I'm just like, whenever something major happens, I'm like, Oh, it's a Tuesday, you know, so. But that's all that you've known. It's just turmoil and unrest. And it's crazy to have to grow up in that. So I need to cut the we are running out of time here. So I have one last question for you. It's kind of back to the drag thing. Do you have you ever considered going on tour as June?

Landon: 1:07:52

It was love to go on tour as June. I would love to. I'm not sure how I would do that though. Because I'm not somebody who just be a lip sync person. Like that's, that's kind of not who I am. But the creepy men stories and the things that have made me I'm not sure how to implement them in a live setting.

Vanessa: 1:08:24

I would say it would be telling the stories very similar to how you do now but it would be that I can see it would be hard to implement in a live setting just because how many can you do before the audience gets burnt out on it? Yeah, so

Landon: 1:08:38

I could see doing a tight 15 minutes set. Or I could even see telling the stories. More uncensored? Yeah. Because they are incredibly uh, censored and redacted to get down to three minutes. A lot of a lot of the times it is staggering how little conversation I've had with these men before they send me a nude or as we say on Tik Tok odd doing or laying. And then other times, it is wow, you know, this conversation has been going on for Dave. So that is they're redacted and boiled down to their essence for tick tock, everything happened. But I'm gonna let you in on a little secret. Couple of stories. One story separated into two because there is so much

Vanessa: 1:09:38

imagine, I can imagine. I mean, it'd be something that you might build even start start is like just kind of dip your toe in is like a stand up kind of thing. But yeah, it's hard, but I can see that being. I can see it being a thing because it's it's unique, especially in the way that you present it and the content and it's topical and really resonate with women. So, but I'm hoping something comes from that. Maybe if I maybe if I do succeed in running for office, I might tap you for some topic, the women's vote or something.

Landon: 1:10:16

I'll be at your coronation. Yeah, whatever.

Vanessa: 1:10:20

Well, thank you so much for joining me. This was amazing. I was so excited.

Landon: 1:10:25

Anytime. All right, have me back, please.

Vanessa: 1:10:29

I mean, I would love to have you back. Well, it's one thing we don't everybody on the show, for the most part are millennials and Gen X. And we really need we need younger, younger voices. So whenever you're are interested in coming on the show, I would love to have you as a co host, because this has been you your wisdom, your insight into the world is powerful and genius. And I I think your voice is very important to have. So whenever you want to join us, I would love to have you back with us. So thank you, I

Landon: 1:11:05

will hold you to that.

Vanessa: 1:11:06

I will do that. I'll send you the discord invite. I'm not sure if I've sent it to you before but I'll send you if I tour discord. So again, thank you everyone for joining us. Please remember to Like comment, subscribe, follow Landon. And mayhem ensued look up Jean Rogers. I'll provide links and stuff in the description but absolutely brilliant content. I think you'll love it. Thank you again. We've seen the next step. So which as usual, I had no idea what was going to be here so have a great one.

Landon: 1:11:38

Have a hug a cookie and a juice box.

Vanessa: 1:11:42

Oh yeah. Best way this sign off. Thank you