Sharing Our Celeb Encounter Stories And More Randomness - Episode 40

Jess and Vanessa are joined by Jenni, co-host of the Long Term Pickles podcast!

We aimed for a lighter theme this week, as last episode was a bit... heavy.

Of course, as we're wont to do, we do get into heavier stuff at the end. Ope. Enjoy the show! We had fun doing this, and Vanessa has been itching to share her Natalie Knepp story!

Jenni's Podcast, Long Term Pickles: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/long-term-pickles/id1721838360

The Sam movie: https://youtu.be/0551Lp2I0F4?si=7d2xDZ-K8cQoSWJo

Natalie Knepp's IG (follow and support her!): https://www.instagram.com/natalieknepp

Transcript

Vanessa: 0:00

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Unknown: 0:18

Where's Doc? I'm sorry, who are you here to see Doc? Dr. Andrew Bellamy. OBGYN is has a right there on the door. Well, Dr. Bellamy's for the patient right now. Okay, well, I need to see him now. Okay, young lady, please calm yourself down. Yes, please. Oh, mind your own business Miss STD. Okay, you know what? I will set up an appointment for you with Dr. Belen. pagelets don't mess with me pitch Doc nagarsol Good. Happy to meet you. Look at me. Yes, please. I am in the middle of an examination here. Would you tell Trish route Sally in a wait a turn? Oh, shut the hell up. Lady. Doc. You do not behave. I will call security Angie. That won't be necessary. Help me with Ms. Goldfarb here. We're gonna move you to another room. An angel. What are you know?

Vanessa: 1:17

Angie won't be long.

Unknown: 1:21

Doc. I don't know what happened. Man. I woke up this morning and I'm fucking broad. There are a lot of psychologists office in the building. Are you sure you didn't walk into the wrong one duck? You gotta believe me. I feel like I'm in this like this nightmare. Like I just keep waiting to wake up. Dude, it's me. It's Sam. Sam. Sam. Sam Wellman, your best friend. Okay, very good. How much is he paying? You asked me something. asked me anything. Really? I get the joke. Ya know, they asked me something about about Cynthia. You know about Cynthia. Dude, I know everything about you your boo boo. She's susu he told you that. Oh, you were nine years old. You showed it to Lauren Abramsky. She kicked you in the knots. You told your mom you fell off the swing. He told you that I was there. Dude. I practically carried you home. Oh, senior prom. Sandy O'Malley gave you your second blow job under the bleachers. Your first blow job March 1 1993 Lisa Kaminski in your basement your mom came home. That prick didn't tell you that prick. Oh DNA. Miss please. Put down the scissors doc DNA DNA. Get a DNA test done. Great. Please the scissors before someone gets hurt. Yeah, but Doc, you have the blood from the paternity suit. We get a DNA test done. Yeah. Okay. Sure. Great. No, I'm gonna scissors and go home and get some rest. Okay, but you're gonna do you do it right away. As soon as you leave it goes right to the DNA office or whatever. Okay? Yeah, sure. Great. You're gonna do it. Uh huh. Okay, just relax. Go home. Okay, get some rest. All right. Fucking Sam Jesus.

Vanessa: 3:12

All right. Hello, everybody. Welcome back to transcending humanity. This is episode 40. We have made it to 40 episodes, somehow. Just a friendly reminder, please remember to rate us. Subscribe to us. And, you know, support us on Patreon patreon.com/transcending. Humanity really helps. And you know, it just really helps. Today, I am joined by chess, as everybody knows. And also my girl, Jenny, who is are essentially random guests today. I'm like, Hey, Jenny, do you want to join? And she's like, Yeah, sure. So Jenny runs a podcast called longterm pickles. And Jenny Can you want to give that a little plug really quick?

Jenni: 4:04

I would love to you and thank you longterm pickles as a podcast for just like checking out mentally and listening to something hopefully that you know, sometimes the topics are a little heavier. We try not to get too heavy. We try to keep them really light. But it's just a place to maybe come listen and I don't know feel like you're chatting with some besties about some silly stuff. We, we laugh a lot. We have a really good time. And currently, it's not. We don't have anything new up because we got in the middle of some nonprofit work we were doing and that really took precedence. So for right now we are just we're gearing back up in June. Now we're starting back up in June. And we are going to have a little more of a theme oriented topics even though they'll still be pretty random. And in each episode, we try a new pickle or pickle adjacent snack. So we've had a lot of fun with that and

Vanessa: 5:00

Dad, I look forward to continuing I trans girls that listen to the show, if you're still in Spyro definitely listen to that to get some pickle recommendations. Jess, what's going on with you? I think fine.

Jess: 5:14

I I'm happy to be back on the show. It's been about I don't know, maybe a month or more happy that we're back up and going and you're, you know, feeling better?

Vanessa: 5:29

I'm not trying to.

Jess: 5:31

Yes. All around in, in all of in all the ways. That's wonderful. So yeah, I mean, I'm happy to be back what's been going on i i have been really kind of just like, I haven't been up to my normal projects and stuff as much as I usually am. I've been kind of taking a, like I've been, well, I say that I've been doing like house projects, and not like all my online, you know, kind of more activism advocacy stuff. And it's been kind of, it's been good to take a break, and kind of regroup a little bit on that. But I'm also like, starting to feel the itch to get back to some things. But yeah, I've been doing very just kind of physical like gardening and just trying to be and setting things up for the change of season and, and whatever. Yeah, so it's, it's kind of felt like a little bit boring. And like a really good way.

Vanessa: 6:26

If we, those kinds of breaks, minute breaks are important, especially when you're in advocacy. And because you have to pour your heart and soul into it. And it's fucking draining, especially when you have so much animosity being pushed against you all the time, too. So it's nice to be able to just get out and pull some weeds. Yeah, yeah, kind of put it on. I've been doing the, you know, spending less time on social media and, and like trying to do the balance of staying informed and,

Jess: 6:58

you know, doing good for myself and my own mental health and physical health and all of that. So, yeah. Good.

Vanessa: 7:13

Yeah, I believe my little clicking the button right here that Oh, and for all my hacks and Copson, wheezes and all that wonderful stuff. So working my vocal training here. So this week, we are going to do something a little bit less, a little bit lighter. Because last week was kind of heavy. If you listened to that episode, it was heavy. Or I guess two weeks ago, we do this every two weeks, totally. My brain doesn't work. So I thought we'd just share some stories. Either be fun things going on, or just good fun, whatever. And do to mind if I start with mine, and then we go to you. Okay, so part of the trans experience. I don't know if it's the same for NBS and trans masks. But just did you have like kind of a? Are you drawn to gender Bender movie, especially before you came out?

Jess: 8:18

I mean, I'm always drawn to like, queer stuff. Yeah. You know, but, but I don't know. Yeah, I mean, gender Bender specifically. But yeah, I mean, anything queer? I'm kind of open. attached to? Yeah, yeah.

Vanessa: 8:37

I know, with trans friends a lot. And like, body swap movies, like where, you know, boy, because girl, girl becomes boy, whatever. When our eggs are cracking, those kind of kinda jump out at us. When my egg was cracking, I was watching I'll be taking her on this. She actually, I made a little reel earlier today and mentioned her on it. And she shared it. So I asked her if she want to be on tonight, but she's out singing a show. So unfortunately, she won't be here, but maybe I guess in the future. But yeah, that's just kind of my just random fun. Like, how, I guess maybe it's just how my brain works? I don't know, is it? Is it an autistic thing to just like, grab on to something like that? And like, be like, I have to figure this out. But so yeah, I have a connection with her going back like 27 years. Who knows if I met her in the past? I don't know. But I just think it's kind of cool. So I'm hoping to be able to reconnect with her mom, too. I reached out to her, but I haven't heard back. But it's just, it's just kind of fun. So yeah, that's my story. Small World stuff. For sure. It really is. Yeah, it's definitely a small world. So but it was I believe it was like a media class. So at the time, I was, I was raised as a good little Republican boy. And and Hudson was a very conservative town, and she was a very liberal teacher. And I was so brainwashed by my father that at the time, I just thought she was like, she was a kook. But now I'm like, she's my people. But so it's just kind of wild, just thinking back on it, and how people just kind of like, make impressions on us in one way or another. And it just it last three years, like 27 years ago. Like why do I remember this? Why is Natalie space so like, familiar to me? And some people just really look like their parents? I guess. So. Natalie, and check if you're watching this, I think you and definitely check out Natalie. Look at her work. Cem is just a fun movie. Especially if you're trans it's or if your egg is starting to crack. It's just fun to watch. The the romance in it hits they have pretty good chemistry. There's a lot of plot holes. Like how does this girl suddenly have all these clothes that fit her out of absolutely nowhere, but yeah, so that's my story. Who wants to share something fun that's going on with them?

Jess: 17:45

Awkward silence awkward silence just Oh, man. No, that's a cool story. I think it's a trip How? How like, there really is. What was that game? It's like Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon. Right? I've heard of that. Yeah, right. Yeah. Or it's like think that one's supposed to be like anybody in Hollywood is connected to Kevin Bacon anybody period I think anybody that's really the thing though, you know is like it kind of ends up being that I don't have any really, really cool it's funny like like I mentioned before we started recording you you know talked about the topic and I was just like I got I got nothing I got nothing but I have been thinking though today about how it is just interesting how we are all you know connected in some way and I guess a lot of people think about it with like, you know, if there are any celebrity connections or you know people that you know who are connected that way just because it's it's easier to say like this is somebody who is not in my circle this like super celebrity person who like lives in LA or New York or has like five houses or like whatever. But there is like some kind of inroad there are a few people that I went to high school with who like either are doing things in the public eye now or are connected to other people alike actually saw a video just yesterday of one of my friends who just sang on stage with brandy Carlisle for like the second time one of the not and unfortunately not somebody that I really keep up with like super regularly now it's like I just saw it through Instagram but it was like one of my buddies from middle school and high school and you know, that is just like a trip that it's like that I even know someone who has done that plus it's like really amazing for for him for this person. But like Um, that's just, you know, it's just such a interesting thing. Like, there's somebody else that I know who has gotten, like, done some work, and the government had been on MSNBC on it a couple of times. And like, you know, it's just interesting how it's like, at some point, you do start to realize the connections. And, and yeah, it's like, I think, again, it's like, it's, it's easy to, to see that if it's somebody who is like, who ends up on the news, or who ends up on a YouTube video because they like, you know, happen to be connected to this concert when this in that other instance, which is like really amazing for them. But it's also like, well, we are really all connected. Even without that, you know, public face, it's like, just throughout our different networks, and especially now, I mean, I think the whole six degrees thing was, was even a thing before the internet, and like social media was

Vanessa: 20:58

so good. Remember that all the way back into high school? That was like college? Yeah,

Jess: 21:02

that was like definitely before, you know, but even now, it's like, just any kind of social connection with people, you can definitely spiderweb out in such a way that that is quite a trip. So I don't know, it's an interesting thing to think about. Nowadays,

Vanessa: 21:21

it might be more like five degrees of separation, I mean, the world is getting quite a bit smaller. It is just wild, like, even just a year on Facebook, you like to pop up someone and you're like, oh, we have 500 friends in common or something, and I have no idea who this person is. But then you'll come across someone else, and you have no friends in common you're like, it's almost weird to not have any friends in common with someone when you have a lot of friends. And I don't know, social media is weird like that. It's both made the worlds it's made the world smaller in both a good and a bad way. In that, like, there's a lot of good that comes from a lot of relationships that come from it a lot of learning, a lot of empowerment, but there's also a lot of hate that comes from it too. So you know, us in the trans community, or in Jenny's case, transit Jason. You know, we get our share of death threats and all sorts of wonderful things because people suck. But yeah, Shani, as soon as you tell, say,

Jenni: 22:21

I wish I could just want to isolate at this point. I don't want to be connected to people anymore. I'm so tired. I am. I don't really mean that I see people post things like, oh, you know, I just want to go out and live in the woods and forage mushrooms and not being around people. And I get it. I mean, I do, because I'm kind of there right now, just because of some goofy nonsense in my you know, in my own head in my own life. And then, I mean, look at the world Holy smokes. But, you know, we haven't survived as a species that way. The reason that we've we are where we are, is because of collaboration because of community because of, and yeah, even sometimes, not sometimes all the time. So those are exist in these pockets of communities. And that's good and bad to write because some of them can be really, really negative, and then they all feed on each other. You know, I think everybody's kind of got that. Not everybody, I guess, but there's that kind of evangelical spirit to it, where it's like, go and spread the gospel of whatever I believe in, or my agenda, or whatever it is. And that's great, whenever it's something positive, and it's not great with something negative. And I've just kind of been struggling especially in the last maybe three days to kind of just just just deal with Max, but I'm a little different than the people around me and the and the immediate world around me. And you're trying to pull in, you know, what's good, trying to put out what's good instead of the other stuff, but I mean, social media, y'all social media, you know, but not a lot. I am in a small town. It's really not that small but small in Oklahoma, and we are actually putting on a pride fest. And I mean, we it's a very small little nonprofit, we've got to go in here and we get a lot of pushback. So anytime we try to do a fundraiser you know, Somebody's knocking on somebody's business Hey, you better not bring that here your business to have a pizza fundraiser even I mean it's really goofy. But we we manage it I free here we just plan these great events. We had the Big Gay garage sale and it had a it had a good turnout. I think it could have been better. So I have some ideas for next year. I love that that you kind of learn New York I now know what I will do different next year. And and we're just kind of playing some other fundraisers and doing some fun stuff and pride fest is going to be really really cool. It's not this Saturday, it is next Saturday. I even took off of work. Are this so you know, I care? Yeah. Yeah. And yeah, I'm just very, very excited about that there's going to be a local animal rescue there. And I'm probably going to look, I know they've got a little a couple little chihuahua mixes. Jess, I know you don't know this, but we lost a dog a puppy last week. And when I tell you it was absolutely devastating. I mean, I still I can, I can now kind of see some pictures of him and kind of smile, but only for about a second. And then it's just it's back on. I mean, it was just a devastating Vanessa walked me through a bless you. Thank you. It was a devastating experience. But then, you know, I found out this little rescue is going to be at our pride fest. And so I was they were asking for some donations for things. I was gathering some things up and I looked on their page just trying to figure out what else do they need? And there's like two or three little cheap hobbies.

Vanessa: 26:00

Dangerous.

Jenni: 26:02

Like, dammit, am I ready to be heard again? The only thing is they're asking, you know, can you foster first make sure it's gonna get along with your animals? Make sure you like it and it is far. Bison. Well, are they spayed or neutered? And she said no, but they will be and I was like, I don't I don't know. I don't know if I can do it. Because I go and love this animal. Jess, it was a tragic incident in which my dog was under anesthesia for being neutered. And his glucose dropped very suddenly and they could not save them. And so you know, I have this. I have this PTSD about it. Like I'm just I'm not ready. I'm scared. I know. That doesn't happen very often. It's actually pretty rare. But it's I'm so scared now that I'm afraid to like love a dog and then send it to get spayed or neutered again, I'm afraid I won't even be able to. I have to take like five Benadryl to get through the day. Yeah, that's really, really good.

Jess: 27:00

I mean, yeah, losing an animal is always tough. But losing a pet is always tough, but like, yeah, that's, um, especially unexpected in a way like that. Because that's such a very, very routine, right procedure and the

Jenni: 27:15

safest place. You're gonna look at me is there at the vet's office. And so, but I don't mean to like, you know, put a negative spin on any of this, you know, that is just kind of part of the living experience is that things don't live forever. And but I'm I'm just, I'm big into opening my heart. I'll take all the dogs. I want all the dogs. I'm gonna be brokenhearted again. And all that happen? What's gonna happen? Because they're so cute. Are you guys are so cute. has an arrow that does this. Stop it? Yeah.

Vanessa: 27:49

Oh, yeah, you're getting a dog. You're getting a dog. It's losing a pet is harder than losing a person. Like when I've lost like family members. Like even when my dad killed himself. I cried for like, maybe five minutes. But when my last dog died, I was inconsolable. My best friend flew in from out of town to make sure I didn't do something stupid. My girlfriend at the time was there with me the entire time. And then, two days after she died, I got Gabby, just because I knew I wasn't going to survive without some without a fluffernutter. So it's hard. It's very hard.

Jenni: 28:27

Yeah.

Vanessa: 28:28

We'll make it. Yeah. So random questions since we were talking about celebrities earlier. If either of you ever just run into a completely random celebrity in the wild? Yeah, Jenny's nodding.

Jenni: 28:45

Yeah, do either of you watch Wheel of Fortune? I'm

Vanessa: 28:49

not anymore. I know. Pepsi Jack's a piece of shit, but Well, I met

Jenni: 28:53

Vanna White. Okay. And I don't know how she is now. I believe that everybody has the opportunity to grow and change. But at the time, she was a bitch.

Jess: 29:03

So when you let that up, I knew where that was going.

Jenni: 29:06

I'm sure she's lovely. Maybe it was a bad day. You know, sometimes you just don't want to deal with people. So I'm sure it's a little bit of a bit. Where you found growing, waited on Dave Matthews. Really? Yeah. Well, I mean, there's been some really random, goofy stuff and I can't think having anybody like super major. I went to see Willie Nelson last night, which was super freaking cool.

Vanessa: 29:34

What's that?

Jenni: 29:35

Mean? First of all, the man is 91 me hear me that is the number nine and one I can't believe

Jess: 29:41

he's still up there

Jenni: 29:43

playing his guitar. And, you know, he doesn't really sing quite as much. Now he does a lot of talking. And then he'll kind of sing like the chorus, but it was just precious. I was I was watching the living legend. And this is, I'm sure his last tour. Yeah, when I say that

Vanessa: 30:03

the power I mean, if there's any advertisement for the power of marijuana, I

Jenni: 30:09

really I bought a shirt me smoking a joint. It's great. There was a lot of marijuana everywhere I can imagine. Beer was $50 for a six pack. Oh, wow. I don't drink so I didn't have to worry about it. But holy smokes. Like that you pay how much

Vanessa: 30:24

for that? That's a lot. That's way too much. Yeah,

Jenni: 30:28

I would have just brought my own in.

Vanessa: 30:30

There's ways. Yeah. Oh, exactly. There's ways I mean, take your bag. There's ways Yeah, I have a pocket between my legs now. Just shove something up in there. Yeah. That's what dilating is for. Right. Jess, Do you have anybody that you've come across? Well,

Jess: 30:50

I have a few. Like, I guess there's a couple. I mean, I think I think the biggest name ones. There was a while that I was actually it was when I was living here before in Asheville and I was in. I was managing a restaurant, but it was when Oh, gosh. I'm gonna have a hard time remembering the name of the movie. But it was a movie where Kristen Wiig Owen Wilson and Zach Galifianakis were all in this movie.

Vanessa: 31:27

Just in Waco was gonna.

Jess: 31:31

I mean, gonna get me that. I don't know. I feel like I need to. But anyway, it was and it was around. It probably was I think they must have been filming it around 2015 2016 Somewhere in there, but they were all in town. And and Zach Galifianakis would just show up. I worked at this burger joint, and he would just show up, like, randomly by himself to eat a burger with like, kind of like the hat and sunglasses like the whole thing. And people would be like, let's just leave him alone. You know, we like wouldn't like the staff would be talking about it. But we wouldn't tell any of the customers because we were trying to be cool. But then there was one night where we're Owen Wilson, and I feel like I'm so silly. But is it? Kristen Wiig or Kristen Wiig, Kristen Wiig. Or Kristen Wiig and Owen Wilson were, they showed up at this there was like a nano brewery underneath the place that I managed. Teeny tiny place a total hole on the wall, like you had to go up an alley to get to a door and then you went down these really dark stairs. It's like this tiny room. But they had they had like a different version of shuffleboard. than I've ever they had these like big long board games. And it was kind of like shuffleboard. But it was different. I don't remember the name of the game either. I know this is not doesn't not filling in enough details for the story of anyway, it was like this crazy unique, like weird shuffleboard game. And it was like this total hole in the wall place. Not like this is a really busy town. But there are there are like more breweries than there are anything here. It's like total beer city. So there are a bunch that are like, open and have big patios and like you could not like hide out there. But this place was like, the whole place. You know? They were Yeah. And so like they showed up and like, you know, it was like Monday or Tuesday night, you know, like an hour before close. And just all the people from the restaurant. Were down there because we had just finished our shifts or whatever. And they went to play the the shuffleboard knockoff game and we were, we were just like, Oh my God. You know, but, you know, nobody would nobody would approach him there anyway, but like, that was the biggest celebrity. I think the only kind of celebrities that I've talked to have been musicians because when I was in my early 20s, I worked at a jazz club. And some pretty big names came through there. And so I like met them and it was interesting to see like who was nice and who was not. Because some people were like totally nice and some people were total jerks and it was really just a coin toss to see like whether people were going to be nice or not. But Thursday

Jenni: 34:20

is called mastermind masterminds

Jess: 34:23

okay, it's like a high is it like a heist film or something? Or like a might be honestly I never watched it obviously and I should because it's a

Vanessa: 34:32

good cast Kate McKinnon.

Jenni: 34:34

Yes, the robbing a bank vault and also what do you mean when you were in your early 20s are saying You look like you're still in your early 20s

Jess: 34:42

Oh yeah, you would think so. But that was like 20 years ago.

Jenni: 34:48

I believe that. I refuse to believe that.

Vanessa: 34:53

The magic of hormones to it goes for both. It goes both ways. When you take E or if you take t it takes years off you So it's pretty fun. Yeah,

Jess: 35:02

I've, I've Yeah, I've been slowly moving from 15 year old boy to 18 year old boy. So I'm getting there. You're

Vanessa: 35:09

getting there. You're getting there. Maybe one day you'll have a beard like what I used to have. So you never know. That'd be fun. Whenever they heard of that hole in the wall, there must be some.

Jess: 35:20

I don't know. I'm not sure. I don't know if it was because like, I don't know, it's like the burger place was a lot more well known. But yeah, it was it was like really like kind of like the definitely one of the one of the lower key spots. And so yeah, it's just a trip.

Vanessa: 35:36

My stories aren't as fun. My dad was friends with Jay Leno. They went to high school together. And they're both big car guys so and Jay would call every few months and like, I usually answered the phone at work and it's his his voice is very, very high on the phone. Like it's your kind of like who what, but there's this building being torn down near us that had like this really cool like, cream gantries some old thing. And my dad called Jay about it because she has fun graduate he has kind of a museum almost, and told him about Jay bought it and paid to have it shipped to him. And I think he turned it into like, the world's most complicated pencil sharpener or something. But I think it's like steam power. It's something crazy. But I also bumped into David Hasselhoff in London, of all places. When my bestie Chris and I were in London, we were just walking out of the hotel. And he was walking in that fuckers tall. Holy shit. So it's you do not expect to see the hearth when you're in London. That's, you know, but that's about as most interesting stories I have. I've met one of the guys that like, filmed the Titanic wreckage, and that's going to call. Yeah, I have a picture from him. But yeah, nothing super interesting. Slept with a member

Jenni: 37:11

of a band, but I've decided I'm not going to share the band. Just

Vanessa: 37:15

want to do that on the podcast. I mean, if you tell me personally, I won't tell anybody. I will absolutely tell you personally. Okay, good. Maybe when you and I are sleeping together. Okay. Okay. You

Jenni: 37:26

want me to, like, call on his name or even shoot me? Like in the midst of it. Just say Hey, real quick. Um,

Vanessa: 37:34

how do you want that to go down? If that's what you're into? Like if I'm eating you out? Maybe?

Jenni: 37:38

Okay, okay. I can tell you then. Okay, cool. I guess storytime at dinner? Yeah, I think okay, yeah. Purchase.

Vanessa: 37:46

I'm sorry. Jenny and I are very horny for each other. Very specific. It is it is. Yeah, she's she's seen my everything. So. But yeah, you know, long distance kind of, you know, whatever. I hope to get down to Oklahoma one of these days.

Jenni: 38:07

Long distance. Low commitment. Yeah,

Vanessa: 38:10

exactly. in it. I'm just learning about polyamory. Because I'm starting to, I guess explore it a little bit, because there's someone here that I'm interested in. And there's you that I'm interested in. So there's two people and I've never really done that before. But there's like a, there's a term that I've heard from two people to poly people. Because the person here is as well. Satellites, were like, there's there's partners that just kind of, they just kind of come in and out of your life, you know, in timing, so I guess, maybe, I don't know, will you be my satellite?

Jenni: 38:52

I mean, I can I can I can go for this because I can't do. There's no way I could do that under one roof. And I know people do and I'm very happy for them. That's awesome. It's not my thing. I cannot. I really prefer a lot of alone time as it is. So having a partner, my husband works over the road. And it's great. It's so great. And I bless his heart. I know he misses me. I know he misses being home. I know he doesn't think it's great. But it's really it really works for me because I don't manage other people's like expectations well, and so it's a lot to try to keep up with another person. I can't imagine trying to keep up with more than one person

Vanessa: 39:33

living with people. It's hard. It's super hard. Like I'm getting my own place and like a month and a half and I can't wait but I'm so excited for you. Jess, are you living with someone kind of person or do you prefer to be alone?

Jess: 39:47

Oh, I mean, I am married and under the same roof so I am absolutely obligated to say no, I'm just kidding. No, I She's definitely gonna listen to As to but no, I, I've lived with a lot of people before and not a lot of people before and it really is hard. Living with people. I definitely think at this point in my life, it's like, small little nuclear family that I've got or not is it nuclear with being so alternative? I'm not sure. Anyway, whatever. There's three of us, me, the wife, the kid, and that's like, that's it. That's enough. You know, maybe occasional visitors, but it's like, it's enough with that, but I do really love alone time as well, which is great. And figuring out how to build that in with a young kid. Well, you know, Vanessa, that's like a challenge, but but it's you know, it's getting there because yeah, alone time is serious. But sidenote, not polyamorous at all. But I do love all the language. Like satellites. And what is it? polyglot? Well, wait, Polly cool. Now I'm trying to remember how they kill molecule what's the what's the spawn? The poly spawn? Is that polyglot?

Vanessa: 41:08

Okay, I know there's a

Jess: 41:10

term for there's a term. term for polyamorous spawn. I think it may be polyglot. I'm gonna look this up.

Vanessa: 41:19

We're gonna see oh, like kids from it? Yeah,

Jess: 41:21

yeah, that's what I mean. Yes. That's cool. Yeah, yeah. But I mean, there's, there's all sorts of, there's all sorts of really great lingo. I wonder

Vanessa: 41:31

if there's like communal parenting then? Like, everybody in the public, your parents? Well,

Jess: 41:35

there's also that Yeah, I mean, that's yeah, co parenting, which is different. Another alternative, which is really amazing. Because it does, you know, take a village and all I would say like, some more people willing to parent your kid, the better as long as certain boundaries are understood. Yeah,

Vanessa: 41:54

you're on the same page about a number of things like, education, stuff like that. So, yeah. Yeah, everything's so new. But when you just when there's when you find like a partner that you really click with living with them. That's also an absolutely amazing thing. So I haven't really, my relationships in the past, I have my longest relationship was probably my son's mother. That was like three years, but like I was married, and it was probably for two years. And we were like, together for maybe a year before that. But I don't think I'm very fun to live with. I've been told that I'm not very fun to live with. So I like to live alone, and then just kind of like, mingling from there. So just me and my dog. So I think I think everybody when I move out, I think it's going to be good for everybody. So

Jenni: 42:52

I had a really cool poly kewl, I guess come in, I saw homes, Jess, I specifically I saw mobile homes. And we call them manufactured home because mobile home has a certain connotation. She's a fancy dude I've seen are they are so nice, very, very nice homes. And this this group with Foley killed came in and there was one home in particular that has an eight foot shower, when I tell you this is a massive shower, and they were so excited, because it was just gonna fit everybody. And that was a I was I was glad that I got the opportunity to work with them. I do try to have I don't have a lot of super, you know, virtue signaling items in my office. Because for the most part, not only am I in a very conservative state, but generally the people who purchase manufactured homes are typically they lean a certain way. And you know, you got to I sometimes I feel like such a sellout because I'm like, Yeah, I would normally have like, my phone opens or you know, just something I just like to have something to identify with, like, Hey, you're safe here. I'm gonna, I'm gonna treat you respectfully whatever. And, you know, but then you got to figure I gotta get paid, man. Yeah,

Vanessa: 44:11

you have to do your job.

Jess: 44:12

I had a kid in college, so, but I do try to leave kind of little

Jenni: 44:18

hints, if you will.

Vanessa: 44:21

If you saw someone out. If you saw someone out, you can tell that they're clear then like you can kind of grab on to that. But ya know, I mean, when it comes to like work, you don't have to be your whole true self at work. Sometimes you just need to go there and make your fucking paycheck and leave. So

Jenni: 44:41

it can be difficult. I did have a fella pull up one time with a confederate flag on his truck. I immediately was like, I'm not I'm not gonna take that customer and the guy just I don't want to deal with that. Well, it turns out he had a point with me. And you know when I tell you, he turned out to be just the nicest man Honey bought a great home and he's his mother loved me, she made me all these breads and homemade jams. And it kind of breaks your heart a little bit. Because I'm like, you're such a good part. I mean, you just, you're clearly a decent person. But you have this thing about you that, does that negate everything. Sometimes I wonder, you know, I hear the cliche, like, Oh, if he's, if he's nice to you, but he's not nice to the waitress. He's not a nice guy. And, you know, are there things that like, it's just like, No, you just, you can't, no matter how great you are, in so many ways, once we find out this information, like you're no longer great. It's always such a weird little balancing act. You know, everybody in my family, just everybody in my family is conservative. It's me, and the kids were the only ones that are not everybody in my family would vote for Trump a guy and give him the chance? Well, probably not my dad. I'm saying like, everybody is very, that's just that. And so I love them. I know they have all these great qualities as human beings. I really do love her, I love them. They made me they couldn't be that terrible. Cuz I think I'm great. But he turned out to be a really nice guy with his confederate flag on his truck. It's,

Jess: 46:25

it's an interesting thing with that, like, I think it's, um, like, you've got a like, I see what you mean, about like, is there a point where you're just gonna be like, No, I'm not interacting or not. I mean, first of all, I totally agree with Vanessa, like a job as a job, you got to do what you got to do. I mean, when I would work, you know, worked in restaurants for so long. It's like, there was no, I mean, everybody who comes in, you serve the public, you know, their customer, like, it doesn't matter. But it is also like, it is also interesting to see, kind of like the humanization on the other end of, you know, a lot of people who are more liberal, or like, queer, or trans, or allies or whatever, you know, like, I wish you could just see that we're human, you know, but it's actually like, it also goes the flip side to you know, because it's like, even though somebody has a confederate flag and may vote for Trump, and whatever it doesn't. I think it's like, it gets tricky, because it's like, okay, there are starting to be more serious things, I think, with this political setup right now, and the way that our culture is, and it's so divided, and it gets so heated, and the extremes are so much and it has, it feels like it has least feels like it has escalated in a way that it was like, you know, even if, I mean, I remember when I was in college, I thought George Bush was just like, Jr. was like, the worst. You know what I mean? I was like so. So, you know, like, I just thought he was like the worst president we would ever have, you know what I mean? It's like that. So, you know, now

Jenni: 48:14

I look back, I like to go back and just have like, give me a W again,

Jess: 48:18

I look back and I'm like, I would take another I would take another GW like we could you know, if that's like, I mean, I'm not It's not that I would like vote for, again, in that instance, but I'm just saying like, comparatively, it's not like it didn't used to be like, quite as extreme. Even though at the time I thought George Bush was terrible, but I didn't think he was, like going to lead our country towards fascism, or, you know, like, separate children and families, you know, or, like, undermine democracy and, you know, all of these other things that just seem like the stakes are like so high.

Vanessa: 48:53

He was at least presidential.

Jenni: 48:55

Yeah, yeah. I mean, he couldn't speak, you know, coherent sentence hardly, but he always seemed like there was, there was, there was a genuine person in there,

Jess: 49:06

you know, once and remember, like, trying to figure out if he was actually dumbing down his language for his, for his concern for the people that would vote for him. That's a good point. Because that is another thing that sometimes happens to be a little bit more

Transcending Humanity: 49:29

approachable, right, like, approachable, approachable. Yeah.

Jess: 49:32

That, that, that maybe that that language, because there was some analysis of like, his speeches and stuff. That kind of started to suggest something like that, that I remember looking at, but I mean, I just remember, you know, like, just that being and the whole like, 911 and all of the aftermath of that and the wars and like being, you know, because it was like, it is interesting, because like, okay, segue but like I've been thinking about that a little bit because that's what That's the word that I was protesting when I was in college, you know, right, is that but, but anyway, I do, I definitely get your point about like, and around here, you know, like, I live in a really in like a blue tiny, tiny dot, you know, in a pretty red area, it gets read really quickly around here. And so it's, it's interesting because it's like, I don't actually disregard just anybody you know, even if it's like we don't, you know, it's like if they're going to treat me respectfully then like, I will have a conversation with them, it doesn't mean that like, we're going to be friends and I'm gonna want to like be like, necessarily supporting their business if they're not if their politics are really far away. But it's like, I also don't have to, you know, it's like, where do you draw those lines? I think it gets it gets a little difficult, but I definitely just feel like the stakes do feel a lot higher. Now with that kind of calibration, just because, you know, even though I think that a lot of people with Confederate flags may not be that extreme, but they're just flying that symbol. Because, yeah, that's like, what they associate with more, even though they may not be representative of like, the super duper, divisive, violent rhetoric, you know, thing. Yeah. And, but yeah,

Jenni: 51:22

I myself that, that, that wasn't something that he just like, picked up one day and said, I'm gonna run with this that was passed on to him that, I always try to remember that people are just coming to the table with their own pasts, their own hurts their own hang ups, their own very deeply held beliefs. And sometimes they, they probably would be different, if things had been different.

Vanessa: 51:44

That's what I was gonna say, right? Because I mean, we all I grew up in a very conservative family, and I was raised very conservative. And, you know, it took being educated and going to a liberal school, to break me out of that. And I think a lot of cases, it's, you know, this guy with his confederate flag. It's been, it's probably just all he's ever known. It's just what he's been around his entire life, and he hasn't really had exposure to other things. There's two kinds of people, there's people that are willing to learn and those that are, so we just have to work with people that are willing to learn. And like it. As we've said, over and over on this podcast, I refuse to believe that all Republicans want to see the trans community dead.

Jenni: 52:32

I know enough of them, who are like, you know, they pull the old, tired, I don't want things shoved in my face, you know, a lot of tired arguments, because they they don't have any of their arguments aren't really formulated other any other arguments? So that's what they have. And very much just, like, you know, you hear the old like, well, you know, it's about, it's about being fiscal, it's about money. And, you know, I mean, we all want to save money. Who doesn't want to save money? I hate my taxes. But you know,

Vanessa: 53:11

we just need to do away with the two party system. I mean, who knows how long it's gonna take for things to actually get better? Not, not while we're around. But maybe when Jen alpha takes over?

Jenni: 53:24

Well, my kids were just asked about that the other day, they were like, Why don't we have you know, we have to, you know, but even they realize like, that's just not where we are. Right now. We are in we are at a critical point where you can't you can't throw away your vote.

Vanessa: 53:39

No, you can't.

Jenni: 53:41

Wait your vote.

Vanessa: 53:42

Yeah, I mean, I have an accent and like she is, I mean, I told her I'm like, I can't argue with with you on it. Because, you know, the whole genocide going on in Palestine, and Biden just sent another billion dollars to Israel again today. And they've been there's been, it's been shown that the US weapons are going to kill have been killing in a sense. And it's like, in any other election. Fuck no, I wouldn't vote for Biden. Because this is horrible. Right? So we have horrible and even more horrible and unfortunately, the even more horrible is directly impacting me and my family, with cars with all the Anna trans stuff and I queer and and I women and it's, it's such a it's an impossible situation really, that I hate that we're in. And because I don't want to support Biden, I'm voting for him, but I don't support him. The only reason I'm voting for him is because the alternative is possibly my own genocide. And guess what's going on in Palestine is horrible and it tears me up, but I can't help with that. If I'm facing it myself. And It's just so fucked up. And I just,

Jess: 55:04

ah, it isn't. I mean, I think that, again, like social media is like, right now, it's where news is happening so much. And it's also like tricky, because, you know, I saw those reports today about the billion dollars of weapons that, you know, supposedly, like Biden had just approved or whatever. And then a little bit later, I saw that, that was actually something that was already going through Congress. That was like, the timing of it was getting sent over like that it was already it was actually what had passed. And like, so he's just passing it along, because they finally passed it. And like that, but the timing of it, and the way it's getting reported is like, Oh, you just held up the weapons. But now you're sending more, you know, it's like this. And I'm not even saying, I'm not even saying that to defend it. Because I'm what I'm actually bringing up is that the way that information is presented, it's really hard to know what's true, because I saw that and I was like, I don't even have time to look this up enough to figure out which story is true right now. You know, but like, I hear both of these, but I just also think that like the way that things are being reported, it gets really, really tricky. To keep our sense of what is really happening. And like, the genocide is terrible, and like, hey, American imperialism has always been terrible. Back to like, what I was actually protesting in college, which was American imperialism in the Middle East. You know, because we were invading Iraq, after we were attacked by somebody from Afghanistan. And that makes no logical sense, because it didn't make any sense. Because it wasn't about that, because it was actually about, like, the control of resources and American imperialism. And like, you know, and it kind of, um, I know someone who is like, from the Middle East, and in a group discussion was they were actually saying, it's, it's interesting, because they actually brought up the resource thing. They were like, if you're looking at it from the higher level, and like, Yes, what's happening is terrible. But like, if you're looking at it, from the higher level of things, this is still this part of the world where people have really wanted to control resources, and there's just been this huge fight between several different factions of, you know, Iran and, and Israel and the US, and, you know, Syria and Saudi Arabia, and like, all these different areas to try to control this area. And again, I'm not saying any of that to like, like, America has, it's very much guilty in that, like, 100%, of like, of meddling in other countries and other governments and trying to have some kind of control in that way. And that sucks, but it's like that, like that still doesn't change the fact that like, if you don't vote for Biden, like, I kind of still go back to that like, okay, so if you're not going to vote for Biden, like, how does that actually help the people that you're trying to help? Exactly? No. And like, at that higher level, like, it's actually like, it's not it's not that I'm so against Biden, although I like it would be great if we had a younger and different and more progressive alternative, like 100% But like, it's also the I don't see it as much as like, this is not Biden, masterminding. This is like he's doing the American thing. Like he's like, he's doing what he's having to do. And like, I think that it's still way, way, way better than it would be if Trump was in charge, because he would 100% Just like, be like, hey, Israel, like have whatever you want, you know, what I'll send, I'll send some folks over whatever ever do you know, or whatever he would do would be so much worse for where the people of Palestine so yes, genocide is terrible. And, you know, and absolutely, like free Palestine. And I think that people are so focused on it, and they're so focused on it being a black and white thing, you know, a yes or no, it's like a binary thing. That it's, it's it they lose sight of, it's easy to lose sight of the other factors. You know, it's easy to lose sight of like, if you're prone if you're revoking a vote with protest. What you know, what are you are you like, oh, yeah, because the world's burning, you know, and it's like, okay, well, fine. Yes. And are you just gonna, like, throw gas on it or like, exactly, ya know, like, and there are like, terrible things happening other places, and I think that we're so focused on it. And what's happening in Palestine because it is the scale of it has been so quick. And it is such a it is such a terrible thing, that specific really small land area with so many people. I mean, it's just fucking terrible. And there are also a lot of other things that we really need to work on. And it's just hard. It's hard to hold all of that. Like it's so hard to hold all of that.

Jenni: 1:00:24

It is I had a I had a moment earlier and I just thought I sometimes I just think I just don't belong here. Like this just isn't I'm not supposed to I don't this isn't right. I'm either either. I'm not supposed to be here, or other people aren't. You know, because I do have such a. I don't know everything. I'm sorry. I have a cat.

Jess: 1:00:46

No, you're doing great. I love it. He

Jenni: 1:00:49

is He He's a pain. I love him though. His name is Spencer. And here's his little tissue hole. And you know, I just have such a tender heart. And for me it's like you were saying with you know, genocide is just wrong. There's no there's nothing you're going to there's no context you're going to put it in somebody I saw somebody say recently. Well, I don't understand why so many women and the LGBTQ plus community are supporting of Palestine because they don't like women are LGBT plus. And I was like, genocide is wrong. Regardless. i It's not conditional. It's just wrong. And if we can say that it's okay to do because these people don't do the things we like. We're going to really start twisting things into well then the next people who do what I don't like then it's okay. It's just what it has to be wrong. These children have nothing to do with the country, the parents the religion, the system that they were born into, and nothing to do with that. And we hate but it's such a weird thing to think we can't come together on that genocide is wrong. That seems like such an easy square one thing to agree on. What a what a weird What a weird world. Okay, look at him. He found a basket. Okay,

Vanessa: 1:02:03

that's amazing. If I fit so

Jess: 1:02:06

sets that's great.

Vanessa: 1:02:09

Okay, gang, we're up at time here. Either of you have any final thoughts? I

Jess: 1:02:14

do. Because I looked up polyglot and I was so very wrong. polyglot means you're able to speak or write several languages.

Vanessa: 1:02:22

Oh yeah, that's quite a bit.

Jess: 1:02:25

Maybe next time I will come back with the because I saw this I saw something where it was like a really cool name for spawn from a polyamorous very cool. Anyway, I will come back with some more random polyamorous terms just to entertain people the next time that's that'll I'll give myself that homework. But yeah, I just wanted to call myself out that I was I was totally wrong about that. That's not what that means at all. Yeah, somebody was listening and this was a great other than that this was a great I know we've we've had this conversation has gone all sorts of places. And yeah, the show is like got a little serious. But hey, you know, that's what the show is. And and yeah, everybody go vote. That's it. Yes, we got a while I'm gonna keep probably keep saying that. I still think you should vote. The way that I think you should vote, but like, I still think people should vote.

Vanessa: 1:03:21

But the voting it's got you might not. Some people won't show up to vote just because they're not into the presidential election. But there's all the other elections, all the local stuff, all the states election

Jenni: 1:03:32

is your most important. Exactly. If you want to vote locally, every single time period. The thing is, they're gonna know I'm here. My vote never counts in the winners tally ever not here, not where I live, but they are going to know I'm here. Because if I don't show up, they're just they think they can do whatever they want. Because I'm not gonna say anything about it. And it doesn't. It doesn't do much if it's just me. No, no. Right. I know who you would vote for.

Jess: 1:04:08

This cat is fantastic.

Vanessa: 1:04:10

It's really very cool. That's pretty cute. Especially when you're standing the camera. Okay. He's a beautiful way. Okay, you too. Thank you for being on tonight. Just always wonderful to see you. Jenny. I can't wait to be in between your legs. And people are gonna be like, What the fuck Vanessa, you were just suicide on now you're talking about? It's, I'm on hormones again. I found out that my hormone levels were very low because my dosage. My prescription had gotten changed. And I was only taking one milligram of estrogens of six unknowingly, because my prescription is completely different. And that was my different medication. And I just started ADHD meds too. So a little bit more with it. Now hormones are very important. If it's something that Taryn and I talked about in the last episode, if you're feeling off, get your hormones checked, you know. And as you just never know,

Jenni: 1:05:09

just it was such a pleasure to meet you.

Jess: 1:05:11

It was great to meet you, Jenny. And thanks for having me. Yeah. Thanks for having me on Vanessa and, and Jenny's cat.

Vanessa: 1:05:19

Jenny's cat. By Chinese kitty, thank you for watching and listening to transcending humanity. Don't forget to send us money, please money, send it. Bye bye