E62: Common Ground: Finding the Conservative Within w/ G. L. McGarvin, Author of Dethroning the Ruling Class

Can our communities truly be reclaimed from the grip of a powerful ruling class? Join us for an eye-opening conversation with GL McGarvin, the software entrepreneur turned author of "Dethroning the Ruling Class: Rebuilding Community from the Rubble of Tyranny." GL shares his transformative journey from technology to writing and his fervent belief in education free from indoctrination. We uncover the hidden truths about our country's decline that the elite don't want us to know, exploring the value of free speech and traditional values in today’s society.

Moreover, we dissect the concept of the "Uniparty," revealing how many national-level politicians seem to prioritize personal agendas over public good. Highlighting the importance of being well-informed and united, GL emphasizes holding elected officials accountable while providing actionable insights on conservative values and political engagement. Don't miss this compelling episode designed to empower and enlighten.

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Transcript

Mr. Webb: 0:00

How do we reclaim our communities from the grip of a powerful ruling class? What are the hidden truths behind our country's rapid decline that the ruling elite don't want you to know, and can we win over our liberal friends by finding common ground? Welcome to The Conservative Classroom, where we're teaching the truth and preserving our values. I'm your host, Mr. Webb, and I'm glad you're here. This podcast is a haven for conservative educators, parents and patriots like you, who believe in the importance of free speech, traditional values and education without indoctrination. Each week, we dive into issues that are plaguing our education system and keeping you up at night. In each episode, we offer common sense ideas to improve education in our classrooms and communities. You may feel like you're the last conservative educator or parent, but I want you to know that you are not alone. By the way, if you like what you hear today, please share this podcast with a like-minded educator, parent or patriot. Together we can teach the truth and preserve our values.

Mr. Webb: 1:19

In today's episode, we're talking with the author of "Dethroning the Ruling Class, rebuilding Community from the Rubble of Tyranny. Now let's get started. Today, I'm excited to welcome Mr GL McGarvin to the conservative classroom. Gl is a software industry entrepreneur and author. He's here to discuss his book Dethroning the Ruling Class Rebuilding Community from the Rubble of Tyranny. It's a great title, by the way. So, gl, thank you for joining us.

G. L. McGarvin: 1:53

Hey, thank you for having me. Very happy to be here. First, I'd like to thank you for what you do. What you do is amazing. Public school teachers have an incredibly difficult job and I know the information, the encouragement you provide helps them stay in the fight for the sake of their students and their community. So thank you for that.

Mr. Webb: 2:13

I appreciate that. Thank you for this book that you wrote. To start, can you tell us a bit about yourself, your background and what led you to writing Dethroning the Ruling Class?

G. L. McGarvin: 2:28

Yeah, sure. So my wife and I live here in Tulsa. We've been here for several years. Before that we were Texans. So after college we moved to Coppell, texas, and we're there for about 20 years. Since then we have moved back to the Tulsa area. We have two adult daughters. One lives near us with her husband and four kids that's four kids under four years old, by the way. Oh wow, quite an adventure for all of us, for sure. The other is in TV and film production in LA. They both went to public school and public university. So we've lived through that experience and my career is in software and technology.

G. L. McGarvin: 3:13

So right out of college I took a position with Hewlett Packard and from there things just kind of took off. Over the years I worked for a few smaller technology companies. People know Hewlett Packard is huge. I've worked for a few smaller technology companies. People know Hewlett Packard is huge. I've worked for a few smaller companies as well. Eventually I put together a team and we founded a software and consulting company, ran that for several years very successfully, and after a period of time we decided to sell the company and move on. We did, and you know here I am today so many years in the technology industry.

Mr. Webb: 3:51

So how does someone in the technology industry and software industry, how do they go from that to writing dethroning the ruling class, to writing dethroning the ruling class?

G. L. McGarvin: 4:06

Well, that probably sounds unlikely, but it actually makes perfect sense, and here's why. So in the software industry, I've held a variety of roles, and most of those roles took full advantage of my writing skills. And how did I develop these writing skills? I honestly don't know. I just started writing at a very young age. I just started writing and in my career it became apparent that I had some pretty good writing skills and companies began to take advantage of those skills to have me create things like company messaging and branding and sales toolkits and product documentation and things like that.

G. L. McGarvin: 4:53

And of the roles that I've held, the one that I have found the most rewarding was in customer training creation and delivery, which is, you know, not something a lot of people want to do, but for some reason I gravitated to that. You know, being able to take an incredibly complex application and develop customer training around that application that enables the customers to really grasp and understand it and be successful with it after they leave the classroom, that was something I became very passionate about. So I spent many years developing training. Sometimes that was a part-time job, you know wasn't my real job, but the company had me do it anyway. So, developing customer training and delivering customer training, and in that role I often had the opportunity to stand in front of a room full of adult professionals and present to them the training that I had developed. And in that process I was able to see firsthand, real time, what worked and what didn't, and was able to go back and refine the training, improve the training and, over time, I developed a pretty sophisticated system for developing that training such that it was as intuitive and consumable as possible by those adult students. Over time, I was able to create some of the most effective training that many of the students had ever experienced, based on their feedback, and that's some of the life experience that prepared me to be an author.

G. L. McGarvin: 6:33

So that's the writing side of it. Well, what about the analysis side of it, you know, analyzing culture and politics and understanding it and presenting it in a manner that's easily consumed by the reader. So that's a totally different aspect of it. So that's really. The book itself is really the culmination of years of listening to many, many people, and while listening to them, I found myself, you know, kind of tilting my head to the side with a confused look on my face as they spoke right, you know, similar to the way our dogs look at us when we speak nonsense to them right.

G. L. McGarvin: 7:18

So you know, in my travels and in working in the industry and working with my kids and their friends and their educators, I have just spoken to many, many people about many issues and literally the confused look and the tilted head. I don't think I ever actually expressed my confusion in quite that way, but I certainly felt it welling up in many cases. So that's kind of what led me to where I am today. So I've been in the software industry. I've been sort of living in this world for years, where I hold the minority view. I don't know how much you know about software industry, but it's very liberal. It's very liberal from the top down and the reason it's liberal from the top down is because the top, the people at the top, make sure that it is through their hiring and promotion practices.

Mr. Webb: 8:17

I haven't experienced that, but I have heard that.

G. L. McGarvin: 8:20

No, I've experienced it, I can tell you firsthand, I can tell you stories offline. So in that environment there's kind of a level of awareness. You know, that might be similar to a mild paranoia right, where you're always aware of what you're saying and how you're saying it. Of what you're saying and how you're saying it, I think most of us can relate to on the other side of that, outside of the software industry, just living in my community, I think most of us can relate to being a parent of a kid in public schools or in public universities and in that scenario we often encounter programs and ideas that that just defy logic. They just just make no sense.

G. L. McGarvin: 9:09

And in our for me anyway I can't speak for others but for me anyway in my bewilderment I often find myself just kind of mumbling a variety of things to myself, like you know, how can that possibly make any sense to anyone? Or who is the person who thinks this is a good idea? And just just continuing to have that happen over and over. So these experience tweaked my interest right, or or piqued my interest. I should say, these experiences peaked my interest in culture and politics. You know, how can so many people hold these views. How is that possible? Right.

Mr. Webb: 9:56

And you mentioned several times, I believe, in the introduction the exact phrase you use. How does this make sense? So if you find yourself asking how does this make sense? You know, maybe you should look a little deeper into that.

G. L. McGarvin: 10:17

And that is exactly right. And you know, I'm probably a little more inquisitive than most people. I probably have more random why's floating around in my head than most people. I'm just constantly asking why. You know, how could that make sense? Why is that person saying that? How can they possibly believe that? Do they really believe that? So, you know, having that constant dialogue in my head is I'm having these interactions with people in my industry and people in my community and my public schools, and even with my kids and friends of my kids. You know, that's kind of driven me to continually analyze why, why?

Mr. Webb: 11:04

And then that made me think of something that I hadn't thought of in years. Not even sure where I heard it or where I read it. But when you have that, why question, keep asking why? And a lot of times, well, because of this, yeah, but why? Well, because of this, and you, keep asking why? Until you get to the root of Exactly, until you get to the answer.

G. L. McGarvin: 11:30

Now you see what I go through, okay.

Mr. Webb: 11:36

From the very beginning, the introduction, first few paragraphs, you mentioned that the Democratic and Republican parties are basically one I think you call them a uniparty and that they stand for the same things. They've just decided which side to take of the issues. And I thought, no, I disagree with that 100%. And then I read on and you parse out conservatives and libertarians from the Republican parties. Then that made sense. So when you're saying that the Democrats and Republicans are a uniparty, what do you mean by that?

G. L. McGarvin: 12:35

So it's a little bit of an oversimplification. There are aspects of a uniparty present. There are many Democrats and many Republicans at the national level that are hand in hand at the national level, that are hand in hand right. Their objective is to support their personal goals and they do that by working together to support each other's personal goals. They're not trying to support my goals, your goals, our community goals. They're supporting their own personal goals. Now, that's not everybody, but it's a pretty significant number. If you start studying politicians that are actually in elected office at the federal level and start studying the things they say and the things they do and the agenda items they support, you start asking questions. You start asking questions like why? How does that make sense? And if you keep asking why, you'll eventually get to the bottom of it, where it's apparent that many of these people are working together to support each other instead of looking out for the best interests of the country. Not all of them, but many of them Right.

Mr. Webb: 13:47

I think I have a good example of that. I'm in Kentucky and Mitch McConnell is one of our senators, and not happy with Mitch McConnell there are a lot of times I'm well, the term rhino comes up I'm not sure if you use that in your book or not, but Republicans in name only, and I feel like that's what the Uniparty is. It's these Republicans in name only, and then, on the flip side of that, we've got Rand Paul, which I feel like is still for the people.

Mr. Webb: 14:24

So there's a really good example of what you're talking about, and a really good example of somebody that's still fighting for conservatism.

G. L. McGarvin: 14:34

Right and I agree. I think Rand Paul is great. And I tell people, study these politicians, Study what they do, Study what they say, Study the agenda items they support and then come back and tell me how many of them do you think are really looking out for the country, versus there for their own agenda, for their own personal enrichment? And you know, on a bad day I would. I would say it's a handful that are really looking out for the country. On a good day I might say two handfuls.

Mr. Webb: 15:09

Still not very many, is it?

G. L. McGarvin: 15:11

Still not very many and you know, the good news is we can fix that. But to do that we're going to have to do the hard work of informing ourselves, informing our neighbors and banding together to hold people accountable. And that's what it's going to take. And it's really difficult to sort through the information, to get to the facts and understand what's really going on and what somebody really said or what somebody really did.

Mr. Webb: 15:50

No-transcript one of the things that I like about your book and your approach about not being divisive. So this to me is you know a lot of conservative books and I don't know if you want to call your book a conservative book or not, but as a conservative, I enjoyed what I read so far. But a lot of conservative books. If you're're conservative, you read it and you're like, yes, all right, heck, yeah, but if you're on the other side, it's well. Divisive is the best word, I think the best word I can come up with and you use that. So your approach well, I'll let you explain your approach a little bit, but I'll give the listeners a hint. It's to find common ground and not be divisive.

G. L. McGarvin: 16:44

And that is exactly the point of the book. And this book started out two years ago. I was just going to write a small book about who conservatives really are, what we really are, versus how the media presents us, and try to get as many people as possible to read it. That was my entire agenda, and it took two years, almost two years, and it became a much bigger book than I ever intended. Bigger book than I ever intended Because, after I was, I completed the process of writing about who we really are and contrasting that with who people think we are based on what they see in the media.

G. L. McGarvin: 17:30

The next step was okay. So how do we encourage citizens to engage in the political process, to hold the government accountable, or, or, more accurately, to hold the people in control of the government accountable? So then I started writing that part. It's part three inciting citizen engagement. Well, from there I realized, well, I need to write a call to action. So I wrote part five. Together, we are the solution, and there's a tremendous amount of information there about how we can band together the information that the resources are available to us to inform ourselves and to unite as a community. And then I backed up and I realized, well, you know, I really haven't told people what we're up against. You know, what are we up against in the culture, in the media, in entertainment, in sports. And then I wrote part two, which the title of part two is Snafu, rinse and Repeat. You know how does this chaos get created and how does it perpetuate. And after all of that I realized, well, I need to write case studies, I need to document some case studies that cover, that really point out the actual practical execution of all these things that I've documented in this book. So I wrote part four, the Courage to See the Truth, and it's a case study on five things Covers the COVID response. Covers Donald Trump disruptor-in-chief response. Covers Donald Trump disruptor-in-chief. Covers the January 6th insurrection, the January 6th scorched aftermath and the Trump indictments. So that's the book right there.

G. L. McGarvin: 19:30

And I try very hard throughout the book to be very factual and non-divisive. These are just the facts. You can disagree with the facts or not like the facts if you choose not to like them, but it's just the facts. And in the back of the book, the end notes section, it's 20 pages of links to the resources that I used to write this book. So the point of that is.

G. L. McGarvin: 20:02

The goal is to encourage people to do their own research. Don't trust me, don't believe me, don't listen to me. Go do the research yourself and then let's talk about it. So that's the structure of the book and the purpose of the book. But you're right, the entire idea behind the book is how do we minimize divisiveness and agree on some basic fundamental principles that are only common sense? And really, if we can just push aside the more divisive issues, how do we focus on the common sense principles that we all already agree on and stop allowing ourselves to be divided on all these other issues? And that's the point of the book, and there are topics not covered in the book for that purpose. For that reason, you have a.

Mr. Webb: 20:59

You have a chapter on education Partners in K-12 Education, chapter 9. Can you talk about that chapter on education?

G. L. McGarvin: 21:12

We were fortunate in that our daughters got through public school before it got you know, before the deterioration began to get us to the current state that we're in in public schools today. The public schools here in Oklahoma and the Tulsa area were pretty good. They're pretty good. They're pretty good. There wasn't a lot of divisiveness that we see today. There wasn't a lot of challenging the belief systems that the parents were trying to instill in them. The schools were pretty good and we didn't really have to deal with issues like that.

G. L. McGarvin: 21:55

Things have changed dramatically in the few short years since they have graduated and schools are under attack. Teachers are under attack. They're being forced to present ideologies that conflict with their beliefs and conflict with the beliefs of the students and especially the beliefs of the parents who are trying to raise those students. So the chapter one Partners in K-12 Education. That's in part one. Part one is entitled the Authentic Resistance, and that's what I started out writing. That was the. You know. That is me presenting to people who don't understand conservatism who we are, but at the same time I'm trying to encourage conservatives to embrace who we are and embrace the more positive and joyful aspects of who we are and model those aspects for the rest of the world to see. So there's, you know, come as you Are is a chapter title. There's another chapter entitled but I'm Not Racist, sexist or Homophobic, and the implications there how can I be a conservative Right? There's a chapter entitled Opportunity for All and you know that's that's a key part of the conservative movement. We want to preserve opportunity for all, not just the privileged, and we want to preserve that for future generations. And it's going to be a challenge. It is a challenge. Preserve that for future generations, and it's going to be a challenge. It is a challenge. There's a chapter titled Radically Generous. That is definitely who we are as conservatives and there's a. The next chapter is Engaged in Community. That is who we are. We're deeply engaged in our communities, in community. That is who we are. We're deeply engaged in our communities and we are motivated to maximize the value of our gifts and our blessings to our community. That's who we are.

G. L. McGarvin: 24:08

So part of what I'm presenting here is encouraging conservatives to model our better ideals and our better behaviors and our better characteristics very openly and very, very visibly, and partnering in K-12 is a huge part of that. All teachers have experienced and possibly experience every day the child that shows up to class hasn't bathed, hasn't eaten, hasn't done their homework totally unprepared. That's tragedy. It's sad. We can't let that happen. We have to try to prevent that if at all possible. All teachers have dealt with the student who shows up daily and has not done their homework. Not done their assignments is potentially disrespectful. We can't let that happen. We can't allow our kids to behave that way and hopefully we can encourage other parents and other kids to, through our behavior, through modeling good behavior, parents and other kids to, through our behavior, through modeling good behavior, to improve their behavior as well. We can certainly make the job of the teacher a lot easier right by being engaged and making sure our kids are prepared and engaged and respectful every day when they show up. So that's really the core of that chapter.

G. L. McGarvin: 25:36

But I think it's important for people to understand some of the things our kids are being exposed to in public schools today that just a few years ago they weren't exposed to, and I think there's probably there's still a good number of parents who don't understand that.

G. L. McGarvin: 25:56

They don't realize the information that their children are being exposed to is divisive.

G. L. McGarvin: 26:04

It's pitting kids against kids. It's putting some kids in a category of oppressor and other kids in a category of oppressed, and these kids have done nothing but be kids and I want parents to understand that this is happening and to be alert and aware and resist. You know it's a very difficult thing to resist, as you know, and everybody listening to this podcast knows it's a very difficult thing to resist. As you know, and everybody listening to this podcast knows it's a very difficult thing to resist the public school administration, the school boards, the teachers unions. It's very difficult but in some cases we have no choice. We have to. Some of the areas that I cover that are of greatest concern to me and should be of great concern to parents is critical race theory. Its purpose is to divide. Its purpose is to make people feel bad about who they are and make other students feel bad about who other students are. You know it's defining oppressor and oppressed Right and defining or dividing our students based on those labels.

Mr. Webb: 27:26

It's tragic and the very next thing you mention in the book is the 1619 Project. Is the 1619 Project, which is a great example of how that curriculum is trying to divide.

G. L. McGarvin: 27:46

It's a perfect example of what you're talking about. Exactly, and it's just an extension of critical race theory. Right, they're essentially the same. They're essentially the same. They use different messages and different historical topics to try to enforce the same outcome, and that's to divide students and divide our schools, and it's tragic.

G. L. McGarvin: 28:13

Had the opportunity to see these lesson plans and see the material that's being presented to their children, they would be outraged. They would be totally shocked. I think if you told them, if you went to most parents and told them hey, here's what your children are being taught, they wouldn't believe you. They would say, well, yeah, that might happen in LA or New York, but no, that's not happening here. There's no way. No, it is, it's happening here, it's happening everywhere. But that's the point of this part of the book is to make them aware of it and hopefully encourage them to dig in and determine, find out what their students are being taught.

G. L. McGarvin: 29:00

I can remember when my kids were in school. We weren't dealing with quite these same things, but I was still concerned about what my children were being taught and I was not able to get my hands on the books that they were using. I didn't push very hard. I probably should have and I would encourage all parents to grab a copy of that book, those books that teach history and civics and social studies. Grab those books and read them and make sure that those are the things that you want your child to learn. And if the topics they're covering or the way they're covering them conflict with your beliefs, sit down with your student and have a talk about that, or your child and have a talk about that and make sure they understand it.

Mr. Webb: 29:50

I wanted to. If it's okay with you, I'd like to read a few sentences from that chapter. Excuse me, it's okay with you. I'd like to read a few sentences from that chapter. Excuse me. And I like how you say we.

Mr. Webb: 30:02

We live in a very diverse country, we this, we that. So if folks maybe that aren't conservative, or maybe they are, they just don't know it yet. If they're reading these statements and they're thinking, well, I agree with that, or yeah, that's me, so that they can see their self in conservatism or vice, vice versa, see that some of the things that they believe are kind of held by the conservative viewpoint. So specifically, this is directly from your book we believe that we are one nation Together. We are brothers and sisters working together to continually improve our community. There is no room for division in our mission. Division provides no benefit to the community.

Mr. Webb: 30:55

So I read that and I thought who can disagree with that? I feel like anyone with their child's best interests at heart. So I think there's a lot in here that folks on the other side of the aisle, if they'll read it open-minded. And when you read something like that and you say, well, yeah, I agree with that, that's me. That's how I feel. Then be open to you know. Maybe we've got more in common than you realize. So tell us about the title what it means, how you came up with the title.

G. L. McGarvin: 31:35

So it started out a couple of years ago. It was just going to be a simple book. The first part, the authentic resistance. Who we are, you know, behaviors we should be modeling and basically providing light to people who are struggling in the darkness of the cult of despair. So that was what the book was going to be and the title of the book was Field Guide for New Conservatives. And that was a perfect title for that book. And as the book grew and expanded and included a lot more content, a lot more topics, it changed and somebody said, well, you really need to get a, you really need a much more impactful title. So I chose a new title that was perfect and inflammatory and and just you couldn't miss it it was going to make everybody mad. And and that title was transitioning conservative. That that pretty much make everybody mad, wasn't it?

G. L. McGarvin: 32:43

I like both of those titles so far actually so yeah, you're right that is so the point behind that title was to get people to think oh wait, you can use those words together Really, Is that allowed? So that was the second title, and then I began to realize that, you know, I'm really trying to promote unity, I'm trying to get people to have conversations, I'm trying to get people to talk to each other instead of yelling at each other. So I probably want to be a little less inflammatory, right? So that makes sense. I chose my third title.

G. L. McGarvin: 33:23

Third title was accidentally conservative Perfect title, right. Because so many people today are beginning to realize that, even though they grew up with a liberal mindset and they believe that they are liberal and they speak as if they're liberals, if they really looked at conservatism they'd begin to realize that, you know, I may be more conservative than I am liberal and I may be more conservative than I am liberal is something that is happening. That realization is something that's happening over and over every day. So I thought that was a great title. But then I was advised that so for me, conservatism the word conservative does not equate to Republican. Now, many Republicans claim to be conservative. You know, we'll be the judge of that but conservatism is really separate and conservatives tend to hold Republicans accountable because they're the ones that claim to be conservative. Ok, well, show us what you have. You know, prove it. So I was advised that I needed to remove the word conservative from the title, because most people would read that as Republican. So now I'm stuck. You know, now I'm stuck, I don't have a title.

Mr. Webb: 34:48

That had to be a tough. That had to be a tough decision. It was tough. Now I'm stuck. I don't have a title. That had to be a tough. That had to be a tough decision.

G. L. McGarvin: 34:52

It was tough. It was tough, you know. So it's another several days of brainstorming and writing things down, trying to come up with a good title. So, after all that brainstorming and working through it for days, trying to come up with that fourth and final title, we came up with dethroning the ruling class, rebuilding community from the rubble of tyranny, and I think it's the best possible outcome, because it's exactly what this book is about. It's about the ruling class and the control they have of our government, and they have enough control to prevent our government from looking out for our best interests. So if we can dethrone the ruling class, we can rebuild our communities on the rubble of tyranny.

Mr. Webb: 35:46

Yeah, great title.

G. L. McGarvin: 35:48

The interesting thing about that is that everybody agrees that the ruling class needs to be dethroned. Everybody, but not everybody, agrees on who the ruling class is.

Mr. Webb: 36:02

What's the one thing you want the listener to remember, if they don't remember anything else about this episode?

G. L. McGarvin: 36:12

don't remember anything else about this episode. The one thing I want people to remember is that if we accurately represent our ideals, people will notice and at this point in our history, with the chaos that we're living in this country right now, they are far more likely to notice. So if we're living out our beliefs, our ideals, we have a chance of bringing people together and saying enough is enough and holding the people in control of our government accountable.

Mr. Webb: 36:55

And the book again is Dethroning the Ruling Class, rebuilding Community from the Rubble of Tyranny, and I will put a link in the show notes for folks to purchase your book. As we wrap things up, I feel like I forgot something and I'm like, yeah, you forgot to let GL share out with listeners where they can find more information. So this is your time to. If you have a website, you want to share that how they can connect with you on social media. Basically, this is your time to plug and promote. You want to share that how they can connect with you on social media. Basically, this is your time to plug and promote. Whatever you want to plug or promote.

G. L. McGarvin: 37:36

Okay, great. Thank you, glmcgarvincom. You can get more information about the book. You can get information on how to contact me. So, glmcgarvincom, I'm also on Facebook. So, glmcgarvincom, I'm also on Facebook. Glmcgarvinauthor on Twitter, on Instagram as well, so I'm all over the place. The one thing I would like to point out is I think the first part of the book is the critical part that gets people to read the rest of it, and that section is entitled the Authentic Resistance. Think about that. You know, back in my day, at the end of the Vietnam War, the resistance fought the ruling class. Now the resistance is part of the ruling class. So now this is our opportunity to be the authentic resistance not the faux resistance.

Mr. Webb: 38:43

Thank you so much for joining us today. It's been a pleasure having you on The Conservative Classroom and I know our listeners appreciate your insights on your new book "Dethroning the Ruling Class Rebuilding Community from the Rebel of Tyranny. Thank you, joey. No problem Trying to say that title over and over, so it gets stuck in their mind. Thanks for coming on the podcast, thank you. That's it for today's episode of the Conservative Classroom. Thank you for tuning in. I hope you enjoyed it and learned something. If you liked what you heard, please don't forget to subscribe and leave us a review on your favorite podcast platform. Most importantly, share this podcast with a like-minded educator, parent or patriot. You can also connect with us on social media and share your thoughts on today's topic. Give feedback on the podcast or suggest a topic by sending me an email at theconservativeclassroom at gmailcom. We'd love to hear from you. If you feel that education without indoctrination and teaching the truth is important to preserve traditional values, then support my efforts to keep the conservative classroom running.

Mr. Webb: 40:01

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