The Delicate Balance of AI Assistance and Artistic Integrity

When the lights went out, our conversation lit up! Expect the unexpected as Aaron Mittan and I seize a power outage disruption to embark on an electrifying discussion about the latest AI advancements, particularly ChatGPT’s new personalization features. Ever wondered how AI could make your daily interactions less mechanical and more human? We've got you covered. We're peeling back the layers on the morality of AI in creative endeavors, debating its role in academic writing, art, and music. I'm not holding back on my conviction that AI can amplify our creative potential—a modern-day equivalent of the calculator for mathematics—offering you a visionary perspective on the tools shaping our future.

Then, we pivot to the nuts and bolts of ChatGPT’s customization options, examining how they can be honed for unique business and personal scenarios. Imagine an AI that not only assists in crafting content for your radio show but also remembers the nuances that make your interactions genuinely yours. We cover the tightrope walk between using AI to boost creativity and the need to preserve the soul of original work. As we wrap up, I underscore the essence of collaboration in content creation, urging you to join the dialogue and contribute to the shared experiences that bolster our communities. For an immersive dive into these topics and a window into my work, tune in, and let's connect the dots.

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Transcript

Aubrey: 0:06

So here we are yet again, and it is a recording Tuesday and we do not have a guest because of power outages. Apparently, technology is something that affects everybody. So I'm your host, aubrey Baptiste. We're here with Aaron Matan, my producer, and we were just laughing because we said you know what? Let's just go ahead and hit record. We always have something good to talk about anyway.

Aaron: 0:28

Yeah, yeah, this is. This is from the hip. No show prep.

Aubrey: 0:31

I wanted to share with you, though, aaron. I did learn something about chat GBT last week that blew my mind and I was like, Okay, well, if I share this, maybe he already knows it or maybe people don't know it, but it blew my mind. So you know, like I'm not a very low bar yeah, please, please do so it's all about like the personalization in your chat, gbt, so that you can actually get it to um like do what like to have like a not robotic voice um because that's like people have like a not robotic voice Cause, that's like people are like oh well, you know, you can tell that ChatGPT wrote it, because it uses all of these like fancy words and things like that.

Aubrey: 1:13

So it's weird, because now I'm like oh well, I knew how to do it. Oh okay, now ChatGPT, literally today, just came out with some kind of weird upgrade. So now the boxes look a little bit different on it, at least for mine. I don't know if it looks different on the 3.5, but I have 4.0 and now it looks like a four with like a little circle next to it that looks like almost like a eyeglass lens. I can't tell what that means in terms of an upgrade, but somehow it just looks slightly different yeah, and yeah, go ahead.

Aaron: 1:48

No, I was gonna say yeah. I quickly learned I needed it to dumb down for me and I, literally just in in the conversation with it was was like all right, can you, can you uh, rewrite that in simpler english? And ever since it's been talking to me slightly dumbed down, which I appreciate. I wish humans worked like that.

Aubrey: 2:09

Yeah, just to back this up, this whole conversation is coming about because, first of all, I think we've had several conversations about AI and chat GPT in general, but also just because I literally just took like a mini training on this and learned some new skills around it. That got me really excited. So if somebody's coming in and they're like oh, I've literally never used ChatGPT before, I really encourage people just to just play around with it. Like literally just go into ChatGPT and say, hey, chatgpt, what are some different things that you can do for me? And just describe what it is that you do, and they can like actually just generate a list of all the functions that it can serve you for. Like that's, that's the number one piece of advice that I give to people and like, go check out what chat dpt can do for you yeah, have we.

Aaron: 3:00

Have we had a conversation about creative morality with using it?

Aubrey: 3:05

We talked about that, okay, well, just all right, that's a great lead in, so just give me a little bit more thought on that.

Aaron: 3:12

Yeah, so, like I was on a panel a little while back, it was a multi-generational panel, so we had one Gen Z, one millennial, one Gen X and then one boomer, all talking about, you know, different obstacles and kind of cross-generational mindsets and just like contributors to success in business and in entrepreneurship. Anyway, of course, ai became a pretty big topic during that panel and you can listen to the episode on bizradious. But yeah, so in that it was a pretty interesting conversation because I had brought up that, yes, I'm using it for business, I use it for, you know, personal projects and I've used it for school as well and that kind of. That kind of was a, a big red flag, like what you're, you're, you're not writing your own papers or say, well, I don't think music, the musicians, musicians should use it or artists should use it.

Aaron: 4:25

Um, I, I, I disagree, but I'm I have reasons for that. Um, but I'm curious, what? What do you think are there? Do you think it's more compartmentalized where it's not, it shouldn't be as welcome in certain fields, or do you think, uh, you know, establishing your own morality when using it creatively, and do you think it is still creative to have that generate content for you?

Aubrey: 4:52

I 150, like I've so many times over, I genuinely believe that as humans, we still have agency over what we think and what we believe and how we want to direct our thoughts and our dreams, and all of the above.

Aubrey: 5:10

But I also think that the world is so big that even just for any of us, it could take a lifetime to explore all of the different possibilities and avenues where things can overlap and integrate and yada, yada, yada.

Aubrey: 5:27

I think that AI is such an important tool for where we are at as a human race, for being able to elevate the existence of every single human being on this planet, and I think that for people who are afraid of it those are the people who are afraid of innovation and change and like what the vision of the future can look like and I think that when people can take their innovative talents and their ideas and they can integrate those in a way that is like furthering what they could do, that that they can massively change the direction of where innovation can go, based on using a tool that can like further them so much faster and so much further than what was ever possible before.

Aubrey: 6:20

It's like introducing like a high-powered calculator into like mathematical processes. Like before it used to take years sometimes for them to create calculations that now, like, are simple algorithms in computer programs that they put together to be able to calculate distances between stars, and now we're able to map out the universe based on the technology that has been adapted to be able to do like nobody ever tries to say, like, oh well, you know, maybe we shouldn't go further with those levels of technology because, like we're just afraid of what's going to happen with the um, you know, like, like losing jobs in these areas. It's like no, actually, like there's going to be more jobs that are created as a result of the innovation and the furthering and the leveling up of the human race.

Aaron: 7:12

Yeah, I completely agree, and that's kind of what I touched on in the panel was you know, this is our next technological step forward and that is going to continue to happen. Step forward and that is going to continue to happen. Um, there's, there's a great video of I think it was. It was sometime in the in the in the 70s, where they were interviewing people who um on their thoughts about, uh, new laws governing wearing seat belts or not. Oh wait, no, no, it wasn't seat belts, it was uh, it was drinking and driving, and people were outraged. People were like we're like what do you mean? After a long day's work, I just want to crack a beer on my way home, and you know, it's just so funny. So it's normalized now and it's uh, you know that's, that's a little different, but the same type of thing is. It's, it's different and it's changed, and sometimes that's hard to navigate.

Aubrey: 8:09

There's actually two really great examples that I like to give to people. And it's like there's two things that people lament about us losing as humans. It's like, oh, it's so sad that we don't write as much anymore, that we don't have really great like handwriting. And it's like, yeah, because handwriting slow, is slow and it kind of sucks. Like, if we can, if we can type 10 times faster and be able to communicate 10 times faster through that process, why would it not make sense to advance now? Okay, yeah, you're still going to learn handwriting, you're still going to use it as, like an art form. It's something that needs to be developed in that way, but it serves a different purpose than just the day to day communications, and that's not a bad thing. It's the same thing as, like, people lament about, oh, and I don't know how many people lament about this anymore, right.

Aubrey: 9:01

But like, oh, well, you know, we used to take horses and horses and buggies everywhere and it was so classy.

Aubrey: 9:07

It's like, yeah, actually, no, there was horse shit everywhere, right.

Aubrey: 9:11

It's like like nobody, nobody wants to live in a world where, like, only some people are able to get from one place to the next and the others are walking around like trying to dodge like all the horse piles right saved for just like the people who really want to be able to do that and the people who spend money for it, and like, yeah, it sucks that like there's not as much attention paid to those things, but it's a specialization and it's not really good for like a larger scale advancement of humanity and like being able to get people from one place to the next.

Aubrey: 9:49

You know it has moved into more of like an art form. It's like the same thing as like manufacturing glass. Like there's going to be glass makers out there who are incredible and specialized at what they do. But that thing is like an advanced level of specialization on a broader scale of like people drinking out of glasses. We have automated processes that are able to like make thousands of those things so that people all over the world can drink out of like large scale glass. You know what I'm saying?

Aaron: 10:19

Like yeah, yeah, absolutely, and I think I think that, as, as AI becomes more normalized and you know a part of your daily life, whether it's professional, personal, whatever, um it's it's such a clear and evident display of morality. In some of those, some of those situations where you can it, I found it wasn't hard to to find those lines that I'm not going to cross with it. Um, like for school was the big one, like that was, there were a lot of eyes wide open in the audience when I mentioned that and and basically what I said is is well, very early on, I understood that it didn't feel quite right to even pull it up and you know it, it it felt disingenuous. I'm like, okay, let me lean into that feeling a little bit more and and kind of unbox it and figure out why. Well, I, I figured that being able to, to gain a, a perspective on a topic, so, say, say, the topic is, uh, there's this mechanical device that I have to understand, not only understand all the components, but how they relate to its functioning, and I have to write a paper on that, and so what I can do is I can give the prompt to chatGBT and it'll tell me a list of all the different, all the major components and what they do for the functionality of the machine.

Aaron: 11:55

And that helps me have more targeted research, because I'm still going to have to cite my source. I'm not going to cite AI. You know I still have to cite my sources and I still have to cross-examine their, its determination. So you know that just that just made that, just made my research a lot quicker and I'm also finding out that I'm learning a lot more in a shorter period of time, because I'm just exactly what you said it's like going from writing to typing. This is typing to AI. You know it's, it's just a.

Aubrey: 12:30

You're spending just a. You're spending so much less time just like searching and browsing and so much more time like reading and thinking and vetting. It's a different process.

Aaron: 12:44

Yeah, and I think your mind frame on it really makes an impact, because, essentially, the way that I look at it is you know, computers developed and became more convenient and more uh, um, more broad on on what you can use them for, and so it that made the process from you know the individual getting to the information a lot quicker and easier and more convenient. Now it this is the next step in that instead of, instead of you going to the information, the information is coming to you based off of a prompt or off of a conversation, however it may be, and so I think it's an organic next step mentioned.

Aubrey: 13:32

There's, like there always needs to be like a check and balance process, because AI can develop biases based on, like, your own personal biases and how you prompt into it and then like the the masses in general, and so there's things that like need to be cross referenced. But I think that it's a great starting spot for like, if you put together some type of article or a piece of research or a paper of any kind and you know, you know that there's like this starting off point of like okay, I have this idea and this thought that you know, for example, like one thing that we know is how ADHD and alcoholism are correlated, right, it's like okay, well, I want to pull together some more recent sources on this. Now, we know that Chat TBT has, I think the memory on it is around 2022 or 2021 or something like that. So anything that's come out since then, we're going to need to you look in Google, scholar and some other scholarly research for the more recent stuff, but anything before that it's going to be looking in the sources that it has, and then you can go ahead and cross-reference those things and go look for abstracts, go look for the journals, pay for them separately, whatever you want to do for it, but it's a great jumping off point, whatever you want to do for it. But like it's a great jumping off point, I didn't get to share with you, though, aaron, the customization feature on it that I did not even know that exists. I'm going to share that with you really quick.

Aubrey: 15:01

Down in, like the down in, like your name part on the bottom left corner. You click on that and when it pops up it has a few different options there. One of them is like my GPTs, and you can actually create like a GPT that is specifically for like something that you do a function of your business. So say it's like a function of my business, is all of my radio show content, right? Like I could use one of my GPTs to just do that, right. The customized part is you click on that and in the top part you can put custom instructions.

Aubrey: 15:35

So like what would you like chat GPT to know about you, to provide better responses, and you have 1500 characters that you can share all about yourself in that box. And then the next box down there is how would you like ChatGPT to respond, and you can put another whole 1500 characters. And then, when you click on the bottom left hand corner, there's enable for new chats, like so all of your new chats going forward are all going to be based on the instructions that you put into there. So that's a great way for you to be able to customize the writing and the tone so you could put like a, you could put a writing sample in there that's like in the tone that you want it to be, you can put all the information that it needs to know about you.

Aubrey: 16:24

So it's like a really great place to store that. And then there's one other place where you can actually have ChatGPT just like remember things about you and make sure that that memory is turned on, and so there's. There's like all of these extra things that I'm learning about ChatGPT to just like optimize it. That I'm really excited about.

Aaron: 16:43

That is great.

Aaron: 16:43

Yeah, that was very being is separating them, especially for me, like whether it's school, biz, radio, my, my business, um, or personal. Like it's funny when, when kind of the streams get crossed, um, when it's starting to pull, like there was one where I I needed, I needed something that I was producing structured in a very specific way, um, but then it started giving me everything in that same structuring and I'm like, okay, not that anymore, and then it wouldn't do the first thing. So that's, yeah, that is a great improvement, especially if you have, you know, some versatility in your application for it.

Aubrey: 17:25

Yeah, yeah. So it's like you know, it's a tool just like any other tool, and the better that you get at using that tool, the better that it is. Like you know, it's a tool just like any other tool, and the better that you get at using that tool, the better that it is. Like you know, it's a workhorse for your business. There's so many things that, like, you don't have to pay for anymore because you have this tool yeah, we had to.

Aaron: 17:42

We had to have a very real conversation, um, here on biz radio about the usage of it, because a lot of our programs, uh, offered like, hey, you can, you can use ai to do this, this and this and everything, and and we're like, okay, let's bump the brakes and see what we want to do, because we, um, you know, this is an opportunity to get the stories of, of these entrepreneurs and the great people that that you bring along, to bring on, to get them more exposure, to better capture what the interview is, and even down to coming up with catchy titles.

Aaron: 18:22

So what we determine is, you know, as long as the content is still in its original form, I mean after post-production and all that but you know, if the, if the content is untouched and everything else, that ai pulls from the content, because we literally just upload the audio and it pulls, it pulls all the information off of it, listens to the audio, um, you know. And then whatever descriptors or social media copy or anything, that's just saving a ton of time on our end. So there's, you know, there's a huge logistical and operational benefit to it, um, but also, you know, morally we're not. What we're doing is. We're bringing people to the audio, we're bringing people to the episode, to that interview, and then they can listen to the interaction between the hosts and the guests themselves and make their own determinations or gain whatever they want from it. But everything, everything that ai provided us, is guiding to that um and so that's kind of where that's where we draw.

Aaron: 19:25

The line is we will not use ai for content production, but we do use AI for content support.

Aubrey: 19:34

That's an interesting line to draw, because that's not exactly where I draw the line for myself.

Aubrey: 19:39

For me, ai is it's used as a way to help, like fill in the blanks. So for me it's like okay, well, I have an idea. That's this overarching idea, and I'm trying to get to this place with the idea and because, like, my brain works in the way that it does, like I could try to be my head up against the wall and like get myself to like fill in all of this, and it's probably going to take me like 10 times longer than if I just asked chat GPT to like put it in a format that, like, other people are going to want to like read and listen to. Right, so it helps me take something from an idea formation and put it into a form that I can actually like share. So, like, creating emails is a really great example, right, it's like you have an idea for what you want to say to a person, but you're like, how am I going to say this in a way that comes off as cordial and inviting and friendly? Right, and it's like you're really struggling because you're, like, you know what?

Aubrey: 20:42

like I just feel pissed about this situation right it's like if you consult ChatGPT, ChatGPT will give you, like, a more cordial and friendly way of saying something. You can use it as a conflict management tool because it has a literal like objectivity to it. You know, there's like to me that's just such an important use of it because as humans, we are fallible by our biases and our frustrations and the conflicts that we come up against, and oftentimes those have nothing to do with the job that's come up against and oftentimes those have nothing to do with the job that's at hand. Right? So, like chat, gpt can actually work as like a robot assistant. It's like, uh, you got off track there a little bit. How about we get you back on track here?

Aaron: 21:22

and you say this instead no, I don't think that's far off at all. Um, I think that's very much in line and it it definitely, it definitely gives you a a quick display of you know what your own parameters are, what your own, you know values are, uh, in regard to to content, production and and everything and contributions to whatever community that you're involved with.

Aubrey: 21:49

Yeah, yeah, I think we're in the collaborative era in this time, in this day and age, and I think that the more that we can learn to collaborate with people, but also with our tools and technology and things like that, the better off that everybody is going to be. So anyway, for those of you who enjoyed this episode, check out more of our talks on bizradious. This is Kindred Conversations with Aubrey Baptista, and you can find more about me on wwwarttherapynccom. Thanks again for joining.