Truth Hurts Episode #12
[00:00:00] Ayrton: Well, hello and welcome again to another episode of The True Thirds. I'm Erin Moley in Cairns. I'm coming to you from Duck this week. I've got off my absolute deathbed this morning, to be fair. I'm, um, you look shocking. I'm struggling. Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm sweating absolute bullets at the moment, all self-inflicted.
[00:00:18] Ayrton: I, uh, I've come up and met a few mates this weekend, and, um, overindulged
[00:00:24] Wayne: slightly. If I look like you, if I look like you, there'd be some sort of inquiry into what, what I got up to, where, where was I, how much did I have to drink? Um, you don't look good at all. You look like you've, uh, little bit of, uh, sunstroke as well by the look.
[00:00:38] Wayne: You look like a beet root.
[00:00:40] Ayrton: Yeah, we're at, we're out watching, uh, mate play footy at Kaza Stadium on Saturday. Did, um, did get a little bit sunburnt. You know, when you have those moments, you know, in a, in the day after where you, you're just in the absolute hurt locker and then everything just sort of compounds it.
[00:00:55] Ayrton: I was in the taxi, we were moving hotels. Uh, my little six month [00:01:00] old daughter was crying. Um, I thought I, I actually thought we were gonna have to pull over. That's how I thought. I thought I was gonna
[00:01:07] Wayne: lose everything. It'd make a great podcast actually, if you threw up right now. Well, while you, while you were doing that, I went out, uh, I, I dunno whether you saw on my Twitter, but, uh, I went and caught a few tuna.
[00:01:18] Wayne: I did see that. Yeah. Made of mine. Uh, Matt from Mount Gambia took me out on a, uh, boat and, uh, was lucky enough to land a couple so, It was a great experi. I'd never obviously caught a tuna before. So to go out there, it was massive swell. Normally they wouldn't go out, um, when it was that big,
[00:01:37] Ayrton: him speaking.
[00:01:40] Ayrton: Speaking of, um, being out in the boat, do you get cc you.
[00:01:45] Wayne: Were you okay? No, I'm, uh, I'm okay. I took a, I took a tablet before I went out, so I made sure that, uh, I didn't get seasick, but the swell and the guys on the boat, they, they just walk around the boat as if it's not even rocking, whereas you [00:02:00] find it very difficult.
[00:02:00] Wayne: It's amazing the sea legs they call it, obviously, but just the, what, the balance that they have in that type of swell was, uh, yeah, it was unreal, uh, because everyone else on the boat was falling over. Every time they stood up. So a great experience. So did you reel in the
[00:02:15] Ayrton: tuna or did you just pose for the
[00:02:17] Wayne: photo?
[00:02:18] Wayne: No, no. I caught, I caught the tuna. We'll put up some vision of me. We winding it in. Had very good technique too. They said very, very good technique. Talk about, uh, talk about hysteria. And Jordan Dego is, uh, obviously in the news again, and we spoke about this only a couple of weeks ago when we spoke about Nick decos.
[00:02:39] Wayne: Now look, no way am I saying what Jordan Degos done. Same as Nick decos, but it's a amazing, the commentary around it. People are saying he's weak, he should be given six weeks, you know, throw him in jail. All sorts of stuff has, has come out about Jordan Dego, because let's be honest. You know, we, we know that, uh, he's had his, he's had his worries and I, [00:03:00] I guess he's had his fanfare over, over the time.
[00:03:03] Wayne: But this was a football. Anyone that thinks that this wasn't a football action, don't get me wrong. He will get three weeks, but anyone that thinks it's worth more than three weeks, if you go back to Tom Stewart who got four weeks, I don't think it's as bad as that. Um, everyone's, you know, some people are saying he left the ground.
[00:03:21] Wayne: I don't think he jumped off the ground. He def he definitely came. He, he definitely was rising, but he didn't jump off the ground. He might have eventually been a touch off the ground, um, but. Clearly he's done the wrong thing. Football action split. Second decision. The other part of it that people are saying, oh, he hit a, you know, it was just a kid.
[00:03:40] Wayne: He doesn't know that it was a kid. He's, he doesn't have time to evaluate that in a split second, or who is it? All that he would've been doing is going, going in to probably tackle, then making a split second decision, the wrong one to bump Ill copies right whack, but. You know, the fanfare and the hysteria around it, I think has gone way over [00:04:00] the top because it's Jordan Dego and I say this all the time, and there's some people in the media that just want to blow things up and, and you know, for a guy that, like I said, has had his concerns and has really turned, he's had an unbelievable foot a year.
[00:04:16] Wayne: And yes, he's let the team down. He's, because he is going to miss some weeks, but. Let's not turn this into something that it isn't. He's had a very, very good year and he and he will come back and he'll, uh, finish off the year in a very good manner, I
[00:04:29] Ayrton: think. And just on that, the incident, I saw some comments from Grant Thomas, which I, I disagree with pretty strongly.
[00:04:36] Ayrton: I, I understand players need to protect themselves. Um, he suggested that the West Coast player, Elijah Hewitt was. Almost just as much at fault for not protecting himself in that moment. What do you, what do you make of that in that? Scenario. I mean, cuz there are moments you obviously do have to brace or, or protect yourself, but I mean, he, he surely can't be expecting that when [00:05:00] he is just hand more the footy can he
[00:05:01] Wayne: You do, yeah.
[00:05:02] Wayne: You, you do have to protect yourself. You have to have vision. And let's be honest, it's not like Jordan to go, he was coming from the side or from behind. He was, he was directly in front of him. So you've gotta know that that player's coming towards you and as soon as you kick the footy, you do go in, you do protect yourself.
[00:05:16] Wayne: You don't just go in. You know, open stance. But what could he have done differently, I guess? What could he have done differently? Well, well, maybe, maybe he didn't have time. But I think what Grant Thomas was saying, and Grant Thomas doesn't condone the action. He was just saying that you, you do, players that get hit do have an obligation to protect themselves.
[00:05:34] Wayne: And there are players that go in. And, and he's only a young player, so maybe that's a, an area in his game that he has to, you know, maybe improve. And that is having, you know, a vision or more of an awareness around him. But that's certainly not his fault that to go, he's done what he's done. And Grant Thomas wasn't saying that.
[00:05:50] Wayne: I've heard a f I've heard a couple of people actually say it, not just Grant Thomas, but what I was disappointed in also around this, so it's not just a media thing. I'm really, I, I was [00:06:00] disappointed in how West Coast handle it. We're talking about a great club. I love West Coast Eagles. I really do. They're a big powerful club, and they're a great club.
[00:06:08] Wayne: But the way Dom, she has handled this after the game and said, oh, you'll, you'll get a month or two. I mean, and once again, sticking up for your teammate. So tick I, I get that. And it is a young teammate, but no one stuck up for him when the actual incident happened so clearly that was astonishing. So on the ground, So they're, they're all standing around and saying, oh, okay, well, we didn't think it was that bad.
[00:06:31] Wayne: So they didn't rerate with the goi at all. And then after the game to say he should get a month or two, I. And it's not old. And everyone will say, oh, of course you're gonna say that you're old school. And I, I do believe there's an element of you, you don't throw someone, you know, under the bus and try to get people more weak than what they should, just because it's the goy.
[00:06:51] Wayne: I, I just thought that was in poor taste. I think I might have put on Twitter weak, probably a bit strong saying it was weak to say it, but I just, I just feel like, [00:07:00] um, you know, there was just no need for, no, there's no need for the, the club involved unless it's an act like a king hit. Or something like that.
[00:07:08] Wayne: Um, I just don't think there's any reason to get involved in, in those, uh, those situations where not clearly there's a process that's about to occur and to go. We will get his weeks, but it won't be a, it should not be more than three weeks. That's, that's what it deserves. Probably two to three weeks for me and we move on.
[00:07:27] Wayne: So stop blowing it up.
[00:07:29] Ayrton: I'm really interested. When you said the fact that no one rerated, you know, Dom, shes made these strong comments, if that happened to a teammate of yours, were, was there always just an understanding that you'd have to go and fly the flag? Or, or was it an in, you know, a strict instruction or how does that sort of
[00:07:46] stuff
[00:07:46] Wayne: Well, I think about Cause what, well, it doesn't matter whether it's, whether it's a, a, a clean bump or a, or an illegal bump or what it is.
[00:07:53] Wayne: If you see one of your players fell, On the ground, you get over and remonstrate. Now that doesn't mean give away a [00:08:00] free kick or be, you know, undisciplined. It just means get over, fly the flag show, show everyone that you know, that you care and, and you know, you, there's a bit of push and shove and then you, and then you move on.
[00:08:11] Wayne: And I know it doesn't mean a lot, but it sort of, it signals intent and they had no intent on the ground, but then showed a lot of it off the ground. And that's what I was disappointed with.
[00:08:22] Ayrton: Watched a decent game of footy yesterday, Esen, and, uh, just getting over North Melbourne. Um, I call it North Melbourne's Grand Final.
[00:08:30] Ayrton: Um, each year they, they like to get up for the Bombers games. Uh, loved what I saw from, uh, George Wardlaw yesterday. He had something that I, I didn't maybe give him credit for in his first game, and that was he, he's got a step, he's got a step on him. I thought, I didn't think
[00:08:46] Wayne: he, you're a bit harsher.
[00:08:47] Wayne: You're in his first game, so how many has he played? Three. Is it, he's played three games.
[00:08:51] Ayrton: Three games. There was just, there was just an, an, an agility I didn't realize he had, and he's, he's got a ferocity as well to, to match that, doesn't
[00:08:59] Wayne: he? He was [00:09:00] enormous, wasn't he? He, he's, he's in and under. He's in and under.
[00:09:03] Wayne: He's clean. Um, They've, they've got a good one there and obviously she's Bailey Scott. All of a sudden he is, well not all of a sudden a year and a bit now where he is showing some real, just improving all the time. They've got some, you know, really, really good young players now that I think for the first time as a, as a North Melbourne person, you can sort of look at them and say, you know what, I, you actually go to the footy a little bit excited now, you know, wanting to see some of these players, uh, grow and they're growing, you know, in front of your eyes and they're growing very quickly.
[00:09:34] Wayne: And that's, and that's the game now. Kids are coming in, playing on other kids. People wonder why we've, we've had this discussion before. We might have even written an article or two about it. Um, but you know that the fact that these kids can come in and have such an impact early on in their careers just shows you the difference in the game now to what it was in the nineties and, and, and prior.
[00:09:55] Wayne: But, uh, yeah, very, very happy. Um, what I will say is that [00:10:00] why is it Brett Ratton three games, the three games since Clarkson has left, there's been a much improved, uh, performance by the team. Now, is that, is that the team? Just feeling, you know, the, the pressure off because the master coach is, is not there.
[00:10:17] Wayne: Is that, is that them, uh, I guess lifting and saying, you know what, we, we want to get him back. I mean, what I would love the motivation. Why, why has there been a vast improvement last three weeks compared? Because the three weeks prior to that were putri. They, they got smashed and they have been really competitive.
[00:10:36] Wayne: I mean, Collingwood, what was it, 25 or 35 points or whatever it was last week. But they, they fought back. It could have blown into a, a bigger margin. And then yesterday, I mean, you know, they. You know, probably in some ways unlucky to lose your always are when it's a kick, but very, very good performance. And like I said, a lot to look forward to.
[00:10:55] Wayne: But the, yeah, I, I'd love, uh, someone to, to, uh, give me [00:11:00] that answer that we on the outside look and say, well, why the, why the vast improvement? Why?
[00:11:08] Ayrton: Cause they wouldn't be playing really any differently. Brett Ratton wouldn't be able to change much in that space at time. So it's
[00:11:14] Wayne: gonna be a, well, he, well he's already said that he's following everything Clark O's put into place.
[00:11:19] Wayne: But clearly the difference is, is effort. Um, I guess, um, you know, they're, I think they're skill. I think they're definitely taking the game on. They're definitely taking some risks and, you know, high risk. Um, high reward, but also you can, you know, you can, uh, give away a few easy ones the other way, but I just, I just love the way, you know, they went about it and I've loved the way they've gone about it for the last three weeks.
[00:11:42] Ayrton: So do, do they have to? I mean, Alice is obviously taking a, a mental health break at the moment and, and he's gonna make his own decision about when he comes back. But how careful then the North need to be about how they reintegrate him in that regard. If they've got a, you know, a good thing going as well.
[00:11:58] Wayne: I'm, look, I'm not suggesting that, you [00:12:00] know, he, he doesn't come back, Alison Clark. No, of course not. He'll come back and, you know, he'll do a great job and I think clearly, And, and you know what, part of that answer and or the, the question that I've just thrown up, and part of the answer might be that Clark O hasn't been himself and we, we talked about it, we said that there was some signs.
[00:12:19] Wayne: So, you know, when he comes back, we might, there might be at this completely different Clark o um, in and amongst the group because of the pressure that he was under. And let's hope so, because you know what, uh, uh, we've, we've discussed it already. We don't have to, you know, rake over, uh, the news, which we all.
[00:12:35] Wayne: Already know about, but if he, you know, he might come back, that might be the answer to the question. That is, Clarke comes back a much, uh, much different to what he was over the, you know, because of the pressure that he's been under.
[00:12:48] Ayrton: You put a bit of heat on a few guys last week, the Mackay Brothers, uh, Harry played against, uh, Melbourne on the Friday night and then Ben against Senon, uh, yesterday.
[00:12:58] Ayrton: What did you make of their [00:13:00] performances on the weekend Credit
[00:13:01] Wayne: where credit is due? And that is, and it's all about body language and it's all about effort, and both stood up. Both stood up and they should be very proud of themselves. But what it also shows you is that's the standard. That's what these guys, and I've mentioned, when you're six foot 82 and you, and you're a hundred plus kilos, then that's how you play.
[00:13:22] Wayne: You play big. You play strong. And that's exactly what both boys did. They mark the footy really well. They competed. They didn't get out bodied. They didn't get pushed off the ball. You know, they, okay, Harry, you know, kicked really well early, missed a couple, um, late, but still his effort and he's marking and the way he went about his game was, uh, distinctly different I thought.
[00:13:44] Wayne: And Ben was unbelievable. So, um, you know, like I said, that's their level. They, and, and we all have bad games. Don't get me wrong, but there was a pattern with these two that showed, I think the pattern was, you know, the best, the difference [00:14:00] between their best and their worst. The gap was too big and they've now shown what their somewhere near their best can be in terms of effort and body language and that gap.
[00:14:09] Wayne: They can't drop too much below that in terms of effort and body language. I'm not talking about Mark's, kicks goals, just talking about the way they go about it. So big tick to both of those boys. They should be very proud.
[00:14:21] Ayrton: Melbourne, speaking of the Melbourne game that Harry Mackay was a part of, uh, not a great game of footie.
[00:14:26] Ayrton: To be fair, Melbourne did what they had to do. I'm, I'm interested in where you see the Ds out and, you know, a long way to go in the season, so there's plenty of time to really hit their straps, but they're, I feel like since they had that big run at the start of last year, They've only just been going a bit, haven't they?
[00:14:41] Ayrton: Melbourne? I, I, I thought they might respond a bit more strongly this year, and they still are third on the ladder, but I they, they'd want some improvement, wouldn't they? Melbourne?
[00:14:50] Wayne: Yeah. One of those games where you just banked the four points. I don't think they played great footy. There were passages where they were really good.
[00:14:57] Wayne: I love the, the, the surge mentality. I [00:15:00] love that for him. I just, you know, that, that take the game on. I will say this, and Bailey Fritch, I, I really like Bailey Fritch. He was very good in their, their premiership, uh, year. He's an extremely talented player. But I tell you what, he's still selfish. There are still elements of his game that he has gotta get better at.
[00:15:18] Wayne: There was a handball that he had to give. Now he kicked the goal and he missed a couple of goals that he would've kicked them. Maybe that's why he did it. But he will cost the Melbourne Footy Club a game if he has that selfishness. You've just, when there's a handball and an obvious handball that you have to give, you've just gotta, you've just gotta give that handball.
[00:15:38] Wayne: Now, we've all done it, but I, you know, I, I still, you, you see it too often with him. Another players give him handballs that they don't have to give him at at times. He's just gotta give that handball. And I, so for me, Bailey, Fritz, as good as he is and as talented he is, I would love to see him and make sure, and if I was goodie, I'd be [00:16:00] saying to him, mate, you've, you've gotta be better than that.
[00:16:01] Wayne: That's gotta be given. So that's a, an area for improvement with him and another team that, uh, I saw on the weekend, another very good game. Uh, close game yesterday was the Tigers and g w s and Toby Green just about nearly pinched the game off the Tigers. I wanna talk about Jack Rewal. Jack Rewal was very good in kicking five goals, but you can kick five goals and not be very good.
[00:16:30] Wayne: Is that a contradiction?
[00:16:33] Ayrton: Maybe a little bit. I think I
[00:16:35] Wayne: get think there's games where you kick five and you walk off the ground, you know you've had a ripper. I think Jack would walk off given the career that he's had, and he's been a, he's been a superstar. He's a champion of that footy club, three time premiership player, superstar.
[00:16:50] Wayne: But five, the five goals yesterday were not a great five for me. Now you, you know, obviously it goes a long way to you winning the game, but, um, you know, I [00:17:00] remember in my last year at the Crows, I kicked six against Esan in a game came off and everyone was raving. Oh, you kick six and, you know, raving about, oh, you're back and, you know, you should end up kicking 50 or so goals this year.
[00:17:12] Wayne: I, I sat at my locker knowing that, that that wasn't anywhere near, uh, you know, even a, a game where I've kicked one, but. Played a better game than that six that I kicked in that game. You just know, you know, there's a couple of easy ones, couple that, you know, you got out the back. Um, you know, they're not, they're not Pac Marks.
[00:17:30] Wayne: I mean, there's just a couple of situations where I watched Jack and it brought, and it actually, it actually took me back to that time at the Crows where you're running back with a flight of the ball and Jack went front and square. Rather than launching at the footy, there was one where he came around the back and tripped over the back and nearly he didn't make the contest.
[00:17:48] Wayne: He didn't, he didn't quite make the contest. You know, Jack would've normally flown for that mark and he had his name written all over it, but he didn't quite, uh, get there. So, yeah, we all know that's what happens when you, you get [00:18:00] near the end, but, Um, you know, you pick up the paper today and it's sort of, uh, you know, Jack's back and all of that.
[00:18:06] Wayne: I Jack's good enough and honest enough with his own, with his own game and where he is been and where he is at now, to understand that that five's nowhere near other fives that he's kicked over his career. That's for sure. Question
[00:18:21] Ayrton: without notice that, uh, those five goals took him to, I think it's about 7 75 or six goals for his career.
[00:18:27] Ayrton: Rich o kicked 800. So Jack we think would finish up this year. He, he might, might get another 1520 goals, um, by the end of the year. Where, how do you compare Rich O and Jack two, you know, Richmond champions? Um, well,
[00:18:44] Wayne: Richo from a different era. Yeah. Richo played in a poor team for most of his career. I might pause maybe a little bit too strong, but, you know, not, not a great team.
[00:18:54] Wayne: There was a period there in 95. Um, I think we might have knocked them out in the finals in, in 95. They were a good team that [00:19:00] year. They had some great players, you know, Mattie Knights and, you know, Daffy and these guys were, were great. You know, gas bill was a really solid defender. They had Rich o you know, uh, brownie, um, there for a while.
[00:19:11] Wayne: They, they had some really, really good players and, and they had a really good year in that year. Uh, and then in. A few other years, but generally they were down, generally down near the bottom and Richo kicked 800. If Rich was in a good team, he would've kicked over a thousand goals, no doubt. So I, I rate Rich extremely highly.
[00:19:29] Wayne: I think he's a, he's a, he's a su, he was an unbelievable mark and had an unbelievable tank and proved that in his last year when he went up onto the wing. So, comparing the two, I don't like to compare eras, you know that, but I think Richo, can you do it? Richo could play in any era. At any time, um, and be, uh, an absolute gun.
[00:19:50] Wayne: And Freddy, you know, you know what, one of the questions that I get really annoyed with, and it happens a lot, you know, you're out, you, you go to a, a different event, or it could be a corporate event. You have people come up [00:20:00] and say, oh, how do you think you would go in, you know, this era. And I, I think to myself, or they'll ask Richo that question, or, or, or Jonathan Brown or Nick Rewal.
[00:20:10] Wayne: And you, you look at it and you go, well, if, if Brody Meek's dominating, I'm pretty sure that, uh, there could be some others. Throw poor old Brody or Brody's. Well, Brody's, you know, not a, you know, he's, he, you know what Brody is? He's a natural, uh, footballer that just works hard and gets the contest, and he's having an unbelievable year.
[00:20:29] Wayne: So if Brody can do that, please don't ever ask that question again. To, to anyone that dominated in the, in the early two thousands or
[00:20:36] Ayrton: nineties. Yeah. You've got, you've got, I've, you've said this before, I've heard you say this before. You've got rose colored glasses about your era a
[00:20:42] Wayne: little bit. Rose colored glass.
[00:20:43] Wayne: Well, well just, just look at some of the players that are dominating. And then ask yourself whether those players that I mentioned wouldn't dominate. Now it's just a, of course, course. You know what, that's a stupid question, so stop asking it.
[00:20:59] Ayrton: Uh, [00:21:00] just on Richmond Steel Tinto, again, uh, another. 35 disposals and a goal.
[00:21:05] Ayrton: Could, could he, could he end up in the all Australian team, of which Kane Kos is a, a part of the selection panel in the
[00:21:11] Wayne: end? Well, not if he gets a, is he going that? Well, well, not if he gets a no vote off, uh, Canino. Um, but look, he's, he's having a, an awesome year. Is he having as good a year as some of the other mids?
[00:21:22] Wayne: I think he's in the argument. No question about that. He was very good. Again, 35. I think he kicked one. Um, so. You know, he's, he's having a, an unbelievable year or once again in a team that hasn't been playing. Its absolute best every week. But to do that against your old team as well, I think it says a lot about, um, where he is at mentally.
[00:21:42] Wayne: And I, I listened to the interview after the game. I thought he was very, very humble. Um, in the way, you know, he, he, he was happy that they won, but you could just see there was a little bit of sadness, you know, you know, against a club that he's obviously left. Um, so the, you could just see, I just saw the way he [00:22:00] handled that in the humble way he handled it, I thought was very, very good.
[00:22:03] Wayne: Fromto. He's having an extremely good year. You
[00:22:07] Ayrton: obviously played against your former club in, in different circumstances, but h how, how is that feeling? I mean, maybe it's too hard to compare.
[00:22:15] Wayne: I would've given circumstances, I would've thought given the circumstances. Uh, little bit different. Thanks. Thanks.
[00:22:21] Wayne: As I started going through that question, I, uh, oh, someone, someone, you know what the story will be this week that we spoke about while I left North. It's a, it's amazing. What, what about this stereo around. Uh, me being on my, on the, uh, perfect match that got picked up on, like, oh, I did see that. It, it, it came for, for everyone out there, it was us that actually posted it.
[00:22:43] Wayne: It didn't raise its ugly head. We actually put it there. We were having a bit of fun around the fact that, you know, I was, I went on a, I went on a, you know, a, a dating, um, what do you call it? Reality show. Which was probably something [00:23:00] that, you know, as an 18 year old, I, you know, if I had my time again and, and probably wouldn't have used, uh, those words for that headline.
[00:23:08] Ayrton: I did laugh seeing that there and that baby faced version of you, uh, since, uh, last week's show, you sat down with. Jeff Finnick some, uh, great comments from a number of our listeners who really enjoyed, uh, that podcast. What, what was that like sitting down with Jeff because you, you, you both spoke about your more, so your life experiences, um, more so than your, you, you know, your
[00:23:30] Wayne: sporting achievements.
[00:23:31] Wayne: What I, what I found fascinating. About having a chat. And Jeff and I have met one another numerous times, you know, outside of, outside of an official capacity. And like I said, he introduced me to Mike Tyson in Vegas. So we had a couple of beers there. And you know, I, I was in an event recently in Sydney and what, what you get straight away from, Jeff and what I've realized during the interview when, when you're with Jeff and when he walks into a room for a guy that's not a big guy, he has, he has an enormous amount of presence.
[00:23:59] Wayne: He's [00:24:00] also, you can just see he's got a massive heart and he's actually a really nice person. And I always relate it to, and I think Dermot Barton is very similar in the way when Derby walks into a room he has, he has a presence. Um, but more importantly, he gives people time. And, and I love that about Do he'll, he'd, he'd talk to a fly crawling up the wall if the fly could talk.
[00:24:22] Wayne: He just, he just loves giving something of himself to, you know, anyone that wants to talk, which I find fascinating. I think Jeff's very similar, but what I did learn from Jeff, which I didn't know because it was, and it, and it sort of shocked me because it, we, we spoke about, um, it's exactly the way, uh, or the same way that I felt.
[00:24:42] Wayne: During my career, and that is that he wa he has never been happy with himself when he was in the prime of his career. He's, he's more happy with himself now than, and people might say, oh, oh boy. Well, how could you be more happy with yourself given that the persona that you give off is that you're very [00:25:00] happy with yourself.
[00:25:00] Wayne: But what people don't understand is that you know, you, you might be giving that off, but you're giving that off for a reason because you're actually insecure and you're holding something in, and it is a mask, and it is a persona that you're giving off. But even the great Jeff Finnick, Who was in battle in a one-on-one sport, had those insecurities and didn't like himself outside the ring, um, like people would think.
[00:25:23] Wayne: And I, I've, I've found that really fascinating that he shared that with us. And amongst other things, obviously, you know, he got to meet a lot of celebrities and I love, I love hearing though, you know, Pacino and, um, you know, he, well he's back in the news al
[00:25:37] Ayrton: now as well. He's
[00:25:38] Wayne: just had a, he's just had a kid.
[00:25:39] Wayne: I know. He's, uh, Oh, well, I, I might, uh, get the reverse done. That'll be the next story. I'm gonna get the reverse done and have another kid. Um, no, I, I found him, uh, unbelievably humble and very, very nice to, to speak to. But, um, I've had, I've had some good feedback about it. Uh, and people, uh, [00:26:00] yeah, people just love hearing from their champions and he's, he's one of those people's, um, person and he's, he's just a great guy.
[00:26:09] Wayne: Yeah. For anyone
[00:26:10] Ayrton: who hasn't caught that on YouTube, it's on Spotify and Apple. Uh, the same way you can listen to this podcast, highly recommend that. How do you, how do you find being on the other side of the mic, so to speak, when you're, when you're interviewing players? Because normally you are the one being interviewed.
[00:26:22] Ayrton: I'm asking you questions now, but you are sitting there asking Jeff questions. Well,
[00:26:25] Wayne: it's a new, it's, well, it's a new skill in. You know, you, you want to, but I, I am, uh, really fascinated with people like Jeff and people that have got a, uh, got a story and been through, um, some tough times as a, as a kid and then gone through some tough times.
[00:26:41] Wayne: Um, then after they've retired and, you know, the, he's got a story. And, and I love listening to Pete, not just be, not just if you're a, you know, an ex, um, you know, four time world champion, but everyone, even you, Anton of, uh, Anton or Anton. Gotta stop, have got a story. [00:27:00] And I'd love to know the story that over the last 48 hours where you've actually been, because you know, you, you're getting redder as this goes on.
[00:27:09] Wayne: We're gonna have to wind it up. We're gonna have to wind it up soon because you, you, you look crook.
[00:27:14] Ayrton: Oh, I've just, I, it's, it's not,
[00:27:17] Wayne: it's not coming up. The foundation that you've put on before, the, before the show is, is, is really hiding how red you are.
[00:27:25] Ayrton: We're just waiting to check into our room, and I just cannot wait for my head to hit the pillow this afternoon.
[00:27:30] Ayrton: I, I, I need a little, I need a little lie down. Uh, Wayne, thanks again for your time. Um, hopefully this time next week feeling a little bit better. Um, but look forward to you next interview, whoever
[00:27:41] Wayne: that's going to be. You have a few surprises, uh, coming up. A few people have, uh, taken off on me, uh, overseas, so they're coming back.
[00:27:48] Wayne: But, uh, uh, hopefully get another one. Uh, or two in the can this week. So, uh, stay tuned for that. Very good. I'll catch
[00:27:57] Ayrton: you soon.