Season 2 - EP #9 - Toby’s defence, Carey new member and suspension over

Season 2 - EP #9 - Toby’s defence, Carey new member and suspension over

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S2E9

[00:00:00] Wayne: I'm Wayne Carey, and this is The Truth Hurts. Here we are in beautiful Melbourne, beautiful sunny day out there again, which Tony, you've probably got an umbrella with you. But gorgeous day again. How good has the weather been, and how good was, uh, well, Torquay and Geelong? On the weekend. 

[00:00:23] Tony: Well, I didn't get to either venue, Duck.

[00:00:24] Tony: Episode 9 

[00:00:25] Wayne: this is, by the way. It is 

[00:00:26] Tony: episode 9. Welcome back to The Truth Hurts, Duck. 

[00:00:28] Wayne: It is good to be back in Melbourne. I've been getting down to Torquay quite a bit. Tell you what, didn't, uh, just cutting the ribbon of a, you know, a nice little venue called After Hours get some traction? Oh, I meant to ask, how did that go?

[00:00:43] Wayne: Uh, well, you were there. I was not. We might talk about it a little bit later, but it, I only heard good things. It was very, it was a very classy venue. And, uh, no, it was good. It was good. I think everyone enjoyed it. A lot of young, uh, a lot of young boys. There were buck shows, there were all [00:01:00] sorts of, uh, little, you know, people down there celebrating weddings coming up and, and you were well recognized.

[00:01:06] Wayne: Well. Well, only because it was fairly well publicised that we were going to be there. So it was, no, it was good. It was well run. Professionally run. So they did a great job down there at After Hours, so that 

[00:01:16] Tony: was good. Yeah. Now we know you like the surf coast and you've been spending, as you said, a lot of time down at Torquay and a little birdie tells me that you've been seen chasing dogs down there.

[00:01:28] Tony: Chasing dogs. 

[00:01:31] Wayne: I'm not sure it takes a lot of chasing. 

[00:01:34] Tony: Tell us, is it a new addition to the Carey family? How did you, what do you, well, just a little bit. He said that, um, you and the lovely Jess might have purchased a dog. 

[00:01:46] Wayne: Kelpie. Yes. Right. And then, you know, the, the, the Kelpie in the city, uh, became very difficult.

[00:01:52] Wayne: So we've got a good mate of mine. Yeah. Good mate of mine, um, uh, his father, Mick down at Port Ferry, he's got [00:02:00] a big farm and he's got obviously other working dogs. So in the end, we thought it was best for the dog to be on the farm chasing. what it was, uh, what they're designed to do and what they love doing and that is running around in massive paddocks chasing sheep.

[00:02:13] Wayne: You could have a job as Dr. Harry Cooper's sidekick soon. I'm not so sure. So we, uh, yeah, we did purchase, uh, we did. Really? Yep. So Baz, Baz from Gisborne. Um, he, uh, he's got, uh, No, 

[00:02:28] Tony: don't, don't ruin 

[00:02:29] Wayne: it. 

[00:02:29] Tony: No, he's got dogs down there, and we said, 

[00:02:31] Wayne: and he's been saying to me for ages, you know, Oh, you know, get a, get another puppy, and we said we can't because we gave Frank away, and blah, blah, blah, we feel bad, and, um, even though Frank's in a better place, as in, on a farm.

[00:02:42] Tony: Yep. 

[00:02:43] Wayne: And, you know, it just didn't feel right to, to adopt or, or purchase another dog. So Baz, Baz has been talking to me for over a year now about getting this particular puppy. And we've finally caved in and said yes. So it's, uh, It's been interesting, [00:03:00] been an interesting couple of weeks with him, or actually one week today.

[00:03:04] Tony: Yeah, okay. 

[00:03:05] Wayne: One week today. 

[00:03:06] Tony: Well, you're a big strapping lad, you know, 6 foot 4, 95 kilos. You would think that that would assimilate into the, uh, into the dog world. And I would have thought maybe you would be running around after a Doberman or a German Shepherd or something big, something large, a pit bull.

[00:03:24] Tony: What have you gone with? I've, I've, 

[00:03:25] Wayne: I've I'm not getting a lot of compliments. Uh, it's you know, I look like Paris Hilton. I'm what?

[00:03:35] Wayne: We've got a toy poodle

[00:03:39] Tony: For all of our True Thirds fans out there, we think he's being 

[00:03:43] Wayne: legitimate. It's about, it's about that big. Is this for Carter? Yeah, we should, we should have called it Ben. Aww. He's Little Ginger. He's Little Ginger. Seriously. 

[00:03:53] Tony: I'm Ginger as well. I've got a toy poodle. 

[00:03:55] Wayne: I'm Strawberry Blonde. You know what? We, I, I'm, it's, it's, everyone that I [00:04:00] say, they just go, Duck, you haven't got one.

[00:04:03] Wayne: We have and we honestly said we spoke about the calling it Tony, right? Um, we spoke about, uh, Carter's got a good, a cool little mate. I spoke about him last week when we went to Marvel. He went to Marvel with him a little. Ginger hair, uh, mate George, who's an absolute ripper. So we spoke about George.

[00:04:23] Wayne: George is a better name. Carter said, nope, no George. So what have you gone with? Gone with Fred. Fred the poodle. Could have been, yeah, Fred. You're not moving to Beverly Hills, are you? Freddie. It's that big. The first night away from its mum, uh, last week, it was, uh, fair to say crying and you couldn't leave it anyway, so.

[00:04:45] Wayne: Jess decided to sleep with it and it pooped over her, during the night. On Jess? Yeah, but it was, but there, this is the, this is the thing. For anyone out there that's You're not, you're not Dr. Harry Pitterbottom. No, anyone out there that's prepared to have a crack about having a [00:05:00] toy poodle. Yeah. There are, there are pros and cons to everything.

[00:05:03] Wayne: Yes, it's not the best look, me walking around with a little poodle. Well don't, you don't worry about what other people think. Yeah I do. 

[00:05:11] Tony: Oh, so you walk down 

[00:05:11] Wayne: Middle Park Beach and you worry about what people say. I'm one of those guys, if I see a big guy, and he's walking with a little dog, I'm one of those guys that generally have a bit of a laugh and it just doesn't suit.

[00:05:24] Wayne: Wayne, our 

[00:05:24] Tony: 500, 000 listeners have just fallen off the tram. 

[00:05:28] Wayne: Poodles, I think, I believe or subscribe to this theory that dogs look like their owners. Oh yes. Or they start to look like their owners. They morph into one another. Almost you and you. And you didn't get a doman. You . Oh boy. A rot. No. So what are you going with with me?

[00:05:48] Wayne: So walking down, you would be a Labrador, a redheaded lab. Because they're beautiful dogs. Because yeah, love water, uh, eat until they pretty much, uh, What? [00:06:00] Balloon. They just, whatever you put in front of them, they just gouge it down. They're a bit grubby. I thought we were going through one episode without you criticizing me.

[00:06:09] Wayne: No, you look good actually. Thank you. Um, yeah, so it's not, it's not the best look. Okay, now, but I'm, I, yeah, so I, I'm not walking him on a leash or anything like that, he hasn't even got a leash, but little poos, little poos, so the pros and cons, So you're not sleeping in the same bed as Juice? He's easy to look after, you throw him in the, you throw him in his little thing, and, you know, And clearly they don't need as much Exercises in long walks.

[00:06:36] Wayne: I mean he's taken about a thousand steps to each one of mine Yeah, so I'm not going for runs long runs or or anything like that. So but the kids the kids love him 

[00:06:45] Tony: Well, that's the main thing. Yeah, 

[00:06:46] Wayne: the cat doesn't like him. I've got a cat as well. Yeah, Luna. 

[00:06:50] Tony: Luna. Yeah Luna's 

[00:06:51] Wayne: got 

[00:06:51] Tony: a nice cat. 

[00:06:52] Wayne: Yeah 

[00:06:53] Tony: Yeah, one thing I can't gloss over.

[00:06:55] Tony: Are you seriously worried about what people would think of you with Fred down the street? [00:07:00] 

[00:07:00] Wayne: Uh, uh, it's not, you know, and, and this is the problem with, it's not the best look of, like you said, people think, like carrying around a, you know, a little toy poodle. You were the most 

[00:07:13] Tony: arrogant 

[00:07:13] Wayne: footballer on the planet 20 years ago.

[00:07:15] Wayne: It is, it is a gorgeous little dog, I've got to get over that, you know, that insecurity and that problem. You don't, have you got insecurities? We all have insecurities. Yeah, but Wayne, you hide yours better than most. Well, that, that's, that's the thing that we, uh, we've spoken about many times on this show.

[00:07:31] Wayne: And that's why I do stuff with the GBS because we as, unfortunately, we do cover up the insecurities that we have. I, some of the biggest, toughest, um, Guys on the outside and, and some of them I'm really good friends with, are the more insecure mates that I've got. And then you have the, you know, you've got mates that are you know, not as uh, gruff, if that's a, if that's a, the right, uh, word.

[00:07:58] Wayne: Or girious? Yeah, [00:08:00] they're more secure. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, we all put on masks. We spoke about that the first ever episode on the truth hurts. We spoke about those walls and those masks that we wear every day. Well, when I've got little Freddie in my arm. 

[00:08:14] Tony: The 

[00:08:15] Wayne: mask 

[00:08:17] Tony: comes on and you just pretend no one's looking at you.

[00:08:19] Tony: Well, you're very intuitive and you know people very well. In a pub sense, would you turn around and be more worried about the bloke who is silent, if not quiet, or the bloke who is running around making everybody aware of who he is? 

[00:08:33] Wayne: Um, What do you mean be more wary? What would I be wary of? I wouldn't be wary of either of them.

[00:08:38] Wayne: No, 

[00:08:39] Tony: but in terms of a 

[00:08:39] Wayne: psychological sense. One's maybe had a few too many beers. The other one's probably, you know, sitting there with his family. 

[00:08:46] Tony: But for those who are outlandish and in a sense a bit of a wanker, people turn and go, oh, he's just seeking attention. It's the people that don't outwardly project themselves onto everybody else.

[00:08:56] Tony: They're the ones you've got to worry 

[00:08:57] Wayne: what I stopped doing a long time [00:09:00] ago. And I know I'm contradicting myself a little bit because, you know, carrying a, I do feel a little bit funny carrying a toy poodle around. But what I've stopped doing, and we all have done it, And, uh, is when you walk past someone and, and, you know, we judge them just on what, or their, or their, on appearances, or their behavior for that, for that minute.

[00:09:23] Wayne: And sometimes even, you know, when you acknowledge someone walking by the beach and it might be a female, it might be a male, you know, it could be an elderly person or a younger person, doesn't matter. And you just acknowledge or you say good morning because you're having a good morning. You would be carrying an umbrella even though it's a beautiful day.

[00:09:40] Wayne: Went around the 

[00:09:40] Tony: tent. 

[00:09:41] Wayne: But you just nod, you'll just nod and smile. Yes. And when you don't get a nod and smile back, I used to judge. And I'd think, geez, they're a bit rude. Yeah. Must, and then you, you, you don't. Well, you don't take into account, you don't know what sort of morning that person's had, you don't know what's occurred, what's going on in their life, and they might be going [00:10:00] through something, you know, quite horrific.

[00:10:02] Wayne: Something massive might have happened in their life, or they were daydreaming, or they just, you know, there's so many different things. Or wouldn't 

[00:10:09] Tony: expect you to be talking to them. 

[00:10:10] Wayne: But we do judge. We do judge. And unfortunately, I think we 

[00:10:13] Tony: judge too much. Oh, I think particularly, which I'm going to cop a lot of hate for this, on The Truth Hurts, but I think Melbourne as a whole can be very judgmental.

[00:10:23] Tony: More judgmental than Sydney. Very much so. Sydney is a lot faster city. They don't necessarily care about what you wear, what you look like. They just want to make money and they want to be successful. So if you wore that in Sydney I like this get up. My tailor made this. No, I lied. 

[00:10:41] Wayne: It's, yeah, it's good. I'm not sure why you're coming in with a suit on.

[00:10:44] Wayne: Well, 

[00:10:44] Tony: have you got your knife? And he wants to ship back at you. Let's, let's, never left. Let's talk about. Yeah, I want to talk about this. Your sabbatical's up this week. You, the most viral sabbatical in AFL football. Your four week. Not an appearance at either AFL games or watching it. And [00:11:00] for all the tossers 

[00:11:02] Wayne: out there on Twitter or X, whatever it's called now.

[00:11:06] Wayne: That talk about, you know. Peter Wright. Talk about Peter Wright, but they're all saying, I thought you weren't watching footy, you're talking about footy. Mate, as I said, I've watched, I've watched highlights and I've seen incidents within a game. I have not sat, I have not watched one whole game of footy at all.

[00:11:25] Wayne: Have you missed it? Um, well, looking at results, no, I haven't. Well, overall, or just a few particular games? No, there would have been a couple of games in particular. I'm glad it ends this week though, because, you know, we've obviously got some big games. But, no, I wouldn't say I've missed it, especially given some of the results.

[00:11:45] Wayne: I don't think there's been, I don't think the footy, and just talking to people about footy, and people talk to me a lot about it. I don't know. Is, is it, is it as good a comp as, you know, everyone's saying? I mean, [00:12:00] my understanding. And you know, is that there's no absolute standout with, you know, Collingwood, obviously back in some form, that's obviously a really good win.

[00:12:10] Wayne: Geelong, we know, um, well Geelong finally played someone that, you know, was worthy in Brisbane. We'll talk about the surge betting up later. Yep. The red, you know, up there, the rain, I think would have helped Geelong. They've always been a team that handles the wet a little bit better than I would have thought.

[00:12:29] Wayne: Brisbane up there. Um, but, yeah, not, there hasn't been, like, absolute outstanding great games. There's been a couple of low scoring where they've been close. Yep. Um, I did see the decision with, uh, Essendon on the weekend. Was it Essendon? Yeah, Essendon and Adelaide. Yep. So I saw What did you think? Saw that incident.

[00:12:48] Wayne: So just to get back to all those people. So I've watched things. I haven't watched a game. And I said four weeks. Not an hour. Not the rest of your life ever again. So listen, so Peter Wright's back this week, 

[00:12:58] Tony: which is great. 

[00:12:59] Wayne: [00:13:00] So that you can watch football. I've always enjoyed Anzac day, the one day, and by the way, the one day we all should recognize and celebrate and celebrate what's gone before us.

[00:13:12] Wayne: And, um, I often go to the dawn service. Yep. Um, I've, how many have you been to your, um, Probably, nah, not, not as many as I should have, probably only four. 

[00:13:23] Tony: What, as a retired player or as a, as a player years ago? 

[00:13:25] Wayne: Nah, a retired player. Um, so I was thinking about, uh, going on, on, uh, Thursday morning with Carter.

[00:13:36] Wayne: Don't think Carter will be getting up that early. It would be good though to take him so that he understood. The appreciation of our forefathers and what they sacrificed. And that's the one thing that I really enjoy. You do see a lot of dads and mums that do take their young kids and I think it's important that we explain to them.

[00:13:54] Wayne: You know, what the Anzacs did and the privileges that we [00:14:00] have in this country would be because of the Anzacs. Correct. 

[00:14:02] Tony: And it's not just a football game where 100, 000 people go to celebrate Collingwood and Essendon. 

[00:14:06] Wayne: No. So I was always really, really envious about this game. 

[00:14:10] Tony: As a, like in terms of an opposition player?

[00:14:13] Tony: Yeah. 

[00:14:13] Wayne: Oh, well, that wasn't, wasn't played when we were, Um, when I was playing. So Kevin Sheedy, by the way, another game that he's, he's, yeah, which is quite incredible. He's just done so much for this game. Kevin Sheedy. Yeah. So, and you know, the fact that they give out an Anzac Day medal and you know, you, you, you run into Swanee or you run into Hurdy and they, oh, yeah.

[00:14:35] Wayne: On their honor roll, it's, I won three ANZAC medals. Well, none of us had a bloody chance to win one. But if you're going to win a medal, It's an esteemed medal. I concur with that. Yeah. I think it's one of the, one of the great medals. Unfortunately, only two. Two teams get to play. Two teams get to play in that game.

[00:14:52] Tony: Tell us, like, for those people who don't get the chance to go to an Anzac Day game, which is probably the biggest game outside a prelim [00:15:00] or a grand final. Yeah, I agree. And tell them about how spine tingling this place is. It really is, and for the 

[00:15:08] Wayne: last, well, a number of years now, Hamish is the MC, Hamish McLaughlin, yeah, Hamish McLaughlin, who does a great job.

[00:15:15] Wayne: He's a very good host. And he says that it's one of the most nerve wracking things that he does, and he's done a lot of, you know, big things. He's done Brown Lows and of stuff, because he said he's just standing, um, you know, just standing there and he goes, if you muck that up. Oh, you're cooked. The whole, 

[00:15:31] Tony: the whole country's got their eyes on you.

[00:15:33] Tony: It's not only Melbourne, it's Australia. It is, it is massive, that game. I remember, I walked in as the last post was starting. I walked into the MCC members, this would have been 10 years ago or so. I remember walking in. And to think a hundred thousand people in a stadium, silent, staring at, you know, three people, one being the host, you know, the players obviously, and this person belting out the last post, it [00:16:00] is something that you, is almost indescribable.

[00:16:03] Wayne: No, 

[00:16:03] Tony: I agree with 

[00:16:04] Wayne: that. It's, uh, yeah, it's, it's a rare, it's a rare feeling that you get. And, uh, I, I can't wait. I can't wait to, uh, get to that game. And it's also rare that two sides Oh, so you are going? I'm not going to the game. Okay. I'll be watching. I'll watch it. Yeah. But I'll go to the dawn. I will go to the dawn service actually.

[00:16:22] Wayne: Yeah. And then, uh, sit back and, but two teams in form. Yep. So the bombers, you know, winning footy Collingwood back in some ripping form. This is going to be big. Cause often, sometimes, you know, the bombers have been down the bottom Collingwood have been up the top and vice versa. Yeah. And they always produce big games no matter where they are.

[00:16:40] Wayne: Well, right now. I don't think this has been, I don't think we're going to get a bigger one than this or had a bigger one than this for some time. Well, 

[00:16:49] Tony: let's check the weather, Doc, because that would play a key role in who could win. Where am I going to on this, uh, Apple iPhone? Well, you should know the weather you carry around your umbrella.

[00:16:59] Tony: [00:17:00] Thursday, 19 degrees with a couple of clouds, so based on that, it should be a fantastic game for footy. Yep. Now, to go back to Essendon, what did you think of this debacle Friday night with Tex Walker and Sam Draper and falling on the ball and it costing them the game? Well, 

[00:17:17] Wayne: a free kick. 

[00:17:18] Tony: It was a free kick in your 

[00:17:19] Wayne: eyes.

[00:17:19] Wayne: Well, you can't dive on the ball. 

[00:17:22] Tony: But do you think Draper, after the final siren, took the piss and actually exacerbated the situation? 

[00:17:28] Wayne: Uh, well, if you lie on the ball, and he, and I know other players, and I think Tex might have helped him sort of pull it under a little bit, but at the end of the day, that gets paid.

[00:17:38] Wayne: You know, most times, especially when they dive on it because they've told to keep their feet and we see it often, but we always go to that decision late in a game. There was stacks of those. Once again, holding the ball decision. I'm, I'm confused. Just like once again, let's, you know, the MRO, I'm confused.

[00:17:57] Wayne: Toby, Toby and Jesse up again. [00:18:00] I've got, I have got Toby Green's. Defenso for is this another Peter Wright tribunal no no no I think Toby Green I think for character reasons should be able to get up and say I'm a new dad. Yes. I've had no sleep. I was born five weeks ago. I've been changing nappies like you wouldn't believe.

[00:18:21] Wayne: I'm father of the year. I know he hasn't been getting a lot of sleep. He should throw all of that defense at the tribunal and I think he should be let off. 

[00:18:29] Tony: Oh, I love this duck. Let's 

[00:18:31] Wayne: get, let's get a team behind Toby Graham, Dave Matthews and the Chairman. He's the father of the year. He's the Australian captain.

[00:18:39] Wayne: Young father, all Australian captain. He's been, he's a golden haired child. He hasn't done anything wrong for a long time. Let's, let's, let's get a campaign. Let's get Toby off for being a good 

[00:18:51] Tony: character and a great young dad. Yep. Do you think he's got enough tickets in the, uh, in the petrol tank to say, well, I've been reformed for X amount of years?

[00:18:58] Tony: Well, I don't know [00:19:00] how 

[00:19:00] Wayne: long he's been reformed. But I, I, you know what? Let's, let's see whether it works. Let's get him off. Jesse Hogan. I was just going to 

[00:19:08] Tony: say something about Toby. Yep. So, you know when he um, he might have brushed that umpire down in Tasmania a few years ago and he was public enemy number one.

[00:19:16] Tony: Gil McLaughlin sent him back into the tribunal and then a month later said, he's my favourite player. What is going on? Yeah, well, Toby, he's 

[00:19:25] Wayne: a gun. He's a superstar, a little bit of frustrated, not from his point of view, but then you've got Jesse Hogan, who, yeah, I've thrown out a powder puff. Yep. And maybe hit hard, but we've seen, we've seen that in the year and that's just been a fine.

[00:19:39] Tony: And again, it was against Carlton with, um, I can't remember the Carlton plays name, was it Nick Newman or? Yeah, so it's just a fine. With Lockie Neal. Yeah. And there was a brush, Which ended up hitting his head. 

[00:19:48] Wayne: Correct. 

[00:19:49] Tony: And that, they were let off. Off the back 

[00:19:51] Wayne: of that, we've got fines. Haven't we? But, 

[00:19:53] Tony: yes, you and I were talking off air.

[00:19:56] Tony: And is it a case of Michael Christian doing that, you know, in inverted commas, [00:20:00] the right thing by the game, and then offering Hogan and Green individually a week. And then they turn around and go, you can appeal it. You guys, we need success in Sydney. Toby Green's one of the best players in the competition.

[00:20:13] Tony: I think Jesse Hogan leads the Coleman. Let's get them off. 

[00:20:16] Wayne: Yeah, well, I, I, I hope they get off. They're, they're, they're both fairly. And, you know, Toby, when you're in air, once again. Because Toby is in the air, we speak about this often, and he does turn his body, does hit high, but it's a football, he's attacking the footy.

[00:20:35] Wayne: We can't stop guys running at the footy. Maybe stop guys coming back with the flight. And putting themselves, Cunningham and Peter Wright. Correct. Putting themselves in harm's way. Cut, cut that outta your game. But then that's not a part of our game. You show courage in our game. Yeah. And you, and you attack the footy hard and sometimes collisions happen.

[00:20:52] Wayne: And I know, and, and, and we get people agreeing and disagreeing. Once again though, let's. Flip a coin, flip a coin, [00:21:00] and 

[00:21:00] Tony: that's what it'll end up being. You're a champion of this game, does this piss you off that we have to sit around every week and go, Toby Green's running at the football, and then he's not allowed a brace for his own impact?

[00:21:10] Tony: I want to talk about two clubs. No, go back to, does it piss 

[00:21:12] Wayne: you off? Yeah, it does. It does, which is why I haven't watched it for four weeks. And I've seen that incident and he'll get off and we'll be watching him this week. We hope so. But for being the father of the year, young father of the year. Well, Charlie, Charlie Cameron got off for a sling tackle on Lila.

[00:21:27] Wayne: That's how he'll get off. So, I want, I want to talk quickly about the Cats, sitting on top of the ladder, undefeated. A great win on the weekend. 6 0 And Sydney, are they the two best clubs in the last 15, 15 years? What do you 

[00:21:42] Tony: mean clubs? You mean on field? You mean encapsulating everything? Everything, 

[00:21:46] Wayne: everything.

[00:21:46] Tony: So from the chairman down? 

[00:21:47] Wayne: The way they, the way they run. It's a way they're coached. I think John Longmire and Chris Scott, they don't have the premierships that Alistair Clarkson has. Johnny Longmire's been to the big dance a number of times, as [00:22:00] has Chris Scott, who's got two horses, got one, but lost three, I think, horse.

[00:22:05] Wayne: Remarkable. The fact that they keep reinventing their teams and their club. And they're just, they're just great organisations, those two. Johnny Longmire, the way he handles himself in the media, I think He doesn't say much. No, but you don't see Johnny Longmire, you know, facing, you know, the media about him.

[00:22:25] Wayne: Chris Scott, I think, just is as articulate as anyone. He is, 

[00:22:28] Tony: yeah. 

[00:22:29] Wayne: Um, but also makes really strong points and doesn't hide behind, um, you know, bull crap answers. He's very straight in the way he conducts himself. I, I just think that they should take a bow, uh, those, those two clubs as a whole. And the way, as you said, on and off the ground, they are unbelievable.

[00:22:49] Tony: They are. So, 

[00:22:50] Wayne: which, which. So what excites you about both of those teams? Well, they've, they've reinvented themselves. They've got good young talent coming through. Um, they're, they're [00:23:00] playing exciting footy. And they're one and two on the ladder. Yeah, I know that. That's why I thought I'd talk about it. Talk about the ladder.

[00:23:07] Tony: Yeah. 

[00:23:08] Wayne: And talk about clubs. What about, we briefly touched on my old club, North Melbourne, um, last week or the week before. I know 

[00:23:15] Tony: you played 

[00:23:16] Wayne: there, but is there any affinity with that club? So I looked at the score. That's all I had to look at. Yep. The score. Well, they kicked 10 8. So they got beaten 45 points.

[00:23:26] Tony: Yeah. 

[00:23:26] Wayne: Yep. So the next closest team, Hadn't won a game to them was Hawthorne, 17th v 18th. And they still get beaten by 45 points. That is as embarrassing a loss I reckon that they've had for quite some time, given where both clubs are at and given where and how Hawthorne were playing. That is shocking. Do you know what their percentage is?

[00:23:47] Wayne: Alistair Clarkson has spoken about, you know, the bigger bodies over the last, you know, the few weeks. Last year under Brett Ratt, when Brett Ratt was there, I've said this, Yep. They, they performed admirable [00:24:00] and nearly won, uh, a couple of big games. One of them was against Sydney. We've spoken about this before.

[00:24:06] Wayne: They are not playing. That was when 

[00:24:07] Tony: they gave away that free kick at Marble anywhere 

[00:24:09] Wayne: near the sort of footy that they should, and Clarke, many weeks ago said they needed guys like Zahar and all these guys in the middle range. Um, you know, stepping up and playing their best footy in their careers. Larkey was All Australian last year, you know, so he, he to at least replicate that.

[00:24:28] Wayne: But others, you know, get, come along for the ride. Not the young guys. We're not talking about Wardlaw, we're not talking about Sheisal, we're not talking about these guys. And Drury. No, we're, we're talking about McCurches, we're, we want that middle run. Yeah. They have, they have to step up. And I don't think they have.

[00:24:43] Wayne: Yeah, but they're the Simpkins and, and these type of players. Yes. And unfortunately. They're not getting the buy in from everyone, I don't think they're, they're just So how about like, almost sort of not invested into the game? Their desire, I talk about one thing, desire. Do they have any? And I'm not sure that they have, [00:25:00] or they don't play with a desire like other teams.

[00:25:03] Wayne: Look at Ross Lyon teams. Barring, barring the 

[00:25:06] Tony: weekend. 

[00:25:06] Wayne: Yeah, I know, they had a, they had a poor, but I think Kilda, that much more talented than North Melbourne. When you look at their list. More experienced. Yeah. But it's not, is it, is it, do you look at it and go, oh wow, they're, they're way better than North Melbourne?

[00:25:21] Wayne: I don't. Uh, well, you know football better than anybody. And there's a lot of scribes out there also talking about, you know, what to do with Sheisal. You know, he's got to, he's got to, he's got to now go into the midfield, he's got to play forward and all. What, what do you think Sheisal's you think North Melbourne are going to be more competitive by Sheisal doing that or North Melbourne going to win games?

[00:25:42] Wayne: No. I don't think so. You're not, so if you were coach or CEO of the kangaroos, what would you do? Well, stick to the plan. This is the other I'm, you're seeing now, Clarke, who, you know, once upon a time was all Messiah, all conquering, you know, take no shit from, uh, media all [00:26:00] of a sudden and was very decisive all of a sudden, you know, there's, there's some cracks appearing in terms of.

[00:26:06] Wayne: You know, people say the pressure upon him to do more with Sheisal. Stick to your guns, Clarko. Stick to your guns. If your plan was to, to keep playing him off half back, keep playing him off back. Don't bend for scribes in the media just because Just because you're getting beaten by Hawthorne by 45 points.

[00:26:28] Wayne: Because whether Sheisal played in the middle or forward on the weekend, they still get beaten by 45 points, I'm sorry. So it's not just one player. The other thing What would you do? Well, I do think that everyone's talking about You know, the kick outs have gotta go off the stat sheet. I like it. I like it.

[00:26:47] Wayne: Well, it's a load of crap. Yeah. Like, and they get to run 35 meters. Well, they're talking about how many possessions people have. Sheel is a gun. Yeah, right. He's a gun. He really is. But he's not going to win games [00:27:00] for north off, off his own boot by going into the middle of the ground or going forward now.

[00:27:04] Wayne: Yes. Well, could, will he be more damaging there? Maybe. Who else do they have to take the kick in? But take the kick ins off. Who is it? Zach Fisher or? No, Sheazle's doing a lot of the kick ins as well. So, you know, he's getting 35 possessions every week. But that's a waste of it. 15 of them are kick ins. But that's a waste to having one of the best midfielders 

[00:27:24] Tony: going 

[00:27:24] Wayne: around.

[00:27:24] Wayne: Well maybe, but if it was their plan to keep him there, keep him there. Don't. Be. Bad. What? Stood over. 

[00:27:32] Tony: Yeah. 

[00:27:33] Wayne: And, and fold just because people are saying don't do it. 

[00:27:36] Tony: One thing I want to bring up with you in regards to your, your former club, does Joy Simpkins keep the captaincy? 

[00:27:44] Wayne: I'm not close enough to it, to, to know, the captaincy is more than what you see on, on game day.

[00:27:50] Wayne: Yeah. Captaincy, it's what you do, you know, outside the club, um, training, et cetera, et cetera. And how, and how players. You know, who, who the [00:28:00] players listen to when they speak and, you know, do they have that authority, uh, with the playing group? Yep. So, so it's, there's more to it. While we're on that, um, let's, let's have a look through the best, uh, well, the best betting app, uh, betting app that there is in the, uh, 

[00:28:16] Tony: the best betting app, the 

[00:28:17] Wayne: best betting app surge.

[00:28:19] Wayne: And we spoke about Surge, uh, last week. I'll tell you what, they have thrown up. Couple 

[00:28:24] Tony: of blokes 

[00:28:25] Wayne: rang me and said, where do we get on? Very early. I do want to, I do want to say this though. I was, I was shocking. In what sense? Last week. With your betting? If you tipped, if you tipped eight winners or nine winners last week, you got no idea about footy.

[00:28:43] Wayne: I'm prepared to say that. You've picked your lucky colors or you've, or you've done something. 

[00:28:48] Tony: Yeah. 

[00:28:49] Wayne: Because Any games stick out to you? How many, it is hard. It has been very hard to pick a winner. Well your tips can only go up from there. Especially last week. I know. [00:29:00] So, well, let's talk about, let's have a little bit of a look at three games.

[00:29:05] Wayne: Alright? For Surge. And make sure you power up. Alright? So, let's have a little bit of a look. So, you've got the Anzac Day game. 

[00:29:15] Tony: Yes, we've got the Anzac Day game. Who do you like? Um, well. Well, I'll tell you what I'll do. Why don't I throw up the odds? Do that. So, Essendon is at 2. 65, Collingwood at 1. 49 according to the Surge App.

[00:29:31] Tony: Well, they say Peter Wright's back. Peter Wright's back. Yep. He's available for selection. Well, he's going to bring him in. Well, you would think so, yeah. Well, he's 6 foot 8 and he's a very good 

[00:29:40] Wayne: player. I'll tell you that, that is a, that's a fascinating game, but at 265, I, I think Collingwood are, I know they're, they're back in some, you know, they played really good on the weekend, um.

[00:29:51] Wayne: They didn't, they kicked one goal 

[00:29:52] Tony: in the first quarter and Port Adelaide was smashing 

[00:29:54] Wayne: them. Yeah, but they beat a quality, they beat a quality opposition in the end. To, to come back from that deficit. Like I said, I looked at the [00:30:00] scores and I, I did look at. I saw that they kicked a stack of goals in a row, so they're back to playing some really good offensive football.

[00:30:08] Wayne: But at 2. 65, you would, I wouldn't, I don't think I'd tip against the Pies, but I like the look of the 2. 65. 

[00:30:16] Tony: Well based on Easton's performance against Collingwood. 

[00:30:19] Wayne: Yeah, well, on, on, you know, the last couple of years, you're probably, you're trusting Collingwood more. That's what you're doing. Oh, yeah. Well, they are, um, running Premiers.

[00:30:27] Wayne: Yep. GWS and the Lions? 

[00:30:30] Tony: Yes. GWS at 1. 94 and the Lions at 1. 90. Now, this is a big game, Duck. Big game. That's massive. But this 

[00:30:38] Wayne: all 

[00:30:39] Tony: hangs. 

[00:30:40] Wayne: So, here we are on a Monday, this hangs on whether Toby Green and Jesse Hogan get off. So if they get off with fines, then I would go with GWS. 

[00:30:50] Tony: What about Sam Taylor's still out?

[00:30:52] Tony: 1. 94. Sam Taylor's out? 

[00:30:53] Wayne: So what are, GWS 1. 94, the Lions at 1. 90. 

[00:30:57] Tony: Maybe they're um, they haven't taken into consideration all the factors. Well [00:31:00] they haven't, because 

[00:31:00] Wayne: if Toby Green and Jesse Hogan are out. If you don't, then you're, you're not back in GWS. 

[00:31:05] Tony: Yeah. I reckon the Giants will go out to three or four dollars.

[00:31:09] Tony: Yep. So, but, and, and Taylor still doesn't look like he'll be back. And then, so who do you put on? He put in Danaher. 

[00:31:15] Wayne: Fascinating game that one. It is. It all hangs on the tribunal, Toby Green to get off for being the young father of the year. Yes. 

[00:31:23] Tony: Cats V the Blues. Saturday night. The cats are 1. 82. Carlton's 2.

[00:31:29] Tony: 02 according to Surge. Well, the Blues, uh, 

[00:31:36] Wayne: Blues. Well, the Blues are playing great quarters within a game and some poor quarters. If you're just purely looking in isolation, you're right. Yeah. What they kick the cats just ultra consistent. And I, when I look at teams and it is a 50 50, I just go with the trust factor.

[00:31:53] Wayne: Who has been more consistent and who has delivered better? For you more often than not. Yep. So when you're looking at having a bit [00:32:00] with surge and you want to power up Make sure that's that's generally how I do it now Sometimes we overthink it and we can get all analytical about it But it goes off trust.

[00:32:11] Wayne: Yeah, great. Now, you can lose trust very quickly, trust me. I'm not touching that. And you can gain it very quickly as well. Yeah. So, I, I trust the cats more, so I'll be going with the cats over the blues. 

[00:32:25] Tony: So, you reckon the blues have got any chance? 

[00:32:28] Wayne: Uh, yes, of course they do. They've got a big chance and, you know, when you've got Charlie Curnow being able to just grab games by the scruff of the neck.

[00:32:38] Wayne: Yep. Um, you know, that's a rarity in our game. We have a lot of accumulators. We don't have stacks of match winners. Yep. Geelong have got two big guys. One end that can, the jazz hawk that can grab a game by the scruff of the neck and, and a couple of small guys that can do the same like sting. Yeah. These guys and the blues have, [00:33:00] well, they pretty much have Charlie.

[00:33:02] Wayne: Yeah. 

[00:33:02] Tony: He's, he's the 

[00:33:03] Wayne: guy that grabs the game. Yes. 

[00:33:04] Tony: But what about Sam W's return? Well, what do I start? You and I were talking about that the 

[00:33:08] Wayne: other day, saw his disposals, but once again, he can get into the accumulate, uh, accumulate phase. I like to see, you know, you, you want to see. I don't care about 35, 36. I mean, you know, guys like Dusty and these guys that have 24 but kick two or three is more damaging than having 35, depending on where they are on the ground, which is the argument about Sheisel.

[00:33:29] Wayne: Yep. So there you go. 

[00:33:31] Tony: Before we leave that game, you know, obviously, um, two boys you played against Michael Voss versus his old teammate and Chris Scott should be a salivating matchup. 

[00:33:40] Wayne: Yeah, I'm not sure they, I'm not sure they worry about, uh, the fact that they played, uh, Voss, he was a better player than.

[00:33:47] Tony: Uh, Chris. Yeah, well, he won at Brownlow and was club champion X amount of times. Yeah, well, Vos, he was a star. Vos, you'll 

[00:33:53] Wayne: always have that over Chris, no matter what. Chris 

[00:33:56] Tony: was a tough bastard. Huh? He was very tough. Really? I [00:34:00] played junior footy with him. 

[00:34:02] Wayne: Snow White would be tough. 

[00:34:05] Tony: Hey, you know what? You don't have to be tough when your bloke's around, 

[00:34:07] Wayne: Duck.

[00:34:09] Wayne: No, that's, uh, anyway, they're the, uh, they're the odds for Surge, so, uh, well. 

[00:34:14] Tony: Gamble responsibly, Duck, which I know you do. 

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[00:34:50] Wayne: We did well, should we dare bring up about 

[00:34:53] Tony: number four at the Tigers? 

[00:34:55] Wayne: Oh, you. You did bring up two weeks ago, [00:35:00] and just so people know out there, when you mentioned that Dusty might, well you tell us what you said, and I, I was saying I don't like rumours, or innuendo. And I hate that this isn't a show, this is a true thirty, this isn't a show where we come on and, you know, just throw crap out there and, or, or, or.

[00:35:19] Wayne: Duck, would I 

[00:35:20] Tony: have put your reputation in jeopardy? Well, I was 

[00:35:23] Wayne: very apprehensive about what you said, but, you can be apprehensive. Since, since you spoke about that, 

[00:35:29] Tony: Yeah. 

[00:35:29] Wayne: We've had Trent Kotchin. Good mates of Dusty's and live together. Yeah, and obviously he's captain for, you know, his whole career. He has come out and he came out and said it wouldn't surprise if, you know, he'd left.

[00:35:42] Wayne: There were others that he mentioned as well. Last 

[00:35:44] Tony: Wednesday on Talking Footy he said, he was asked by James Brayshaw and said, is Liam Baker and Dustin Martin likely to be in a Richmond jumper next year? And he said, one, if not, both will not be. 

[00:35:57] Wayne: So what? So you, are you doubling down? You still 

[00:35:59] Tony: [00:36:00] think? I'm doubling down.

[00:36:00] Tony: I spoke to a, since I came out and said that, I have had others who said I was right. And then I went back to my person of interest, as you would call him. Who is connected to Dustin Martin and he said 100 percent he is retiring and they will nurse him through to 300. His form would be indicative of a person who's not invested.

[00:36:26] Tony: We saw that against West Coast last week where Harley Reid make Dusty look second rate. Harley Reed. Harley Reed ran out of the center, a la Chris Chardin. Dusty's like, well, I'm just going to watch this kid. Even you said, he's going to areas where he never used to go to accumulate possessions. 

[00:36:45] Wayne: Let's talk about Harley Reed because his last couple of weeks have been exceptional.

[00:36:49] Tony: Yeah. 

[00:36:50] Wayne: He's, he's a man child. 

[00:36:52] Tony: Yeah. He's 19 on Wednesday. 

[00:36:54] Wayne: Yeah. Absolute bull. 

[00:36:56] Tony: Yeah. 

[00:36:57] Wayne: He's a gun. Yeah. But is that 

[00:36:59] Tony: a compliment? He's not a [00:37:00] man child. 

[00:37:01] Wayne: Well, no, because there are players that come in. You look at, you know, I mean, he's, he's, he's got that raw power. He's like Mark, you know, the, the likes of Mark Rusciuto.

[00:37:10] Wayne: And he's sort of that height, I guess, in that, that build. And he'll probably end, I don't know what his weight is now, although you're not allowed to talk about it. Are you glad that? Were you one of the ones that come out and said, you know, you're not allowed to talk about players or Putting players wait.

[00:37:27] Wayne: I thought a lot of that is woke. It got me. That is absolute. We're talking about professional athletes Yeah, that you know, you're talking about their weight and you're talking about matchups and I think it's fascinating because he's a guy And because of that reason, I don't actually know his weight, but I'm sure you could look it up somewhere.

[00:37:43] Wayne: Yeah, but Mark Rusciuto got to about 94, 95 kilos, I reckon, at one stage. So that, that's, that's big for a midfielder. That's massive for a midfielder. Now we know that Paddy Cripps is six foot four, and he's, he's around that 95, but he has, has that extra [00:38:00] height. 

[00:38:00] Tony: Yeah. 

[00:38:01] Wayne: So a guy like Harley Reid, he centimetres.

[00:38:04] Wayne: Yeah, that's what I said. So he might get, Harley might get to You know, in the, in the nineties or the mid nineties, 

[00:38:11] Tony: you're not gonna believe this. What? Go, I've just gone to the West Coast Eagles website. Harley Reed Midfielder, 19 years of age. 180 7 centimeters, no kilos. Oh, you're kidding. This is, see, I, I mean, where are we going with this duck?

[00:38:27] Tony: Anyway, he's gonna be a, he is not gonna be, I think he's almost on the verge of stardom. Oh, 

[00:38:32] Wayne: just calm, calm. The farm. The bloke's played a few good games. He's a star. Yeah, he might. Yeah, well, he's not a star yet. Well, he's not even, you can't even classify him as a good player yet. Why? Because he hasn't done it.

[00:38:46] Wayne: There's no continuity. Well, he hasn't done it for long enough. He hasn't even played one good year at AFL level. Well, he's only played six games. And you're saying he's a star. He's showing signs of being a superstar. Yeah, he is. You can say he's showing signs of this, but you can't call him [00:39:00] that already.

[00:39:01] Tony: Are you saying the term is thrown around too loosely? All the terms are. 

[00:39:04] Wayne: We get everyone, everyone gets um, over excited. And yes, he's showing signs. We should be getting excited about him. He's not a star yet. 

[00:39:15] Tony: So when I said last week that we should compare him to Chris Judd, you dismissed it as bullshit. I just don't think they're 

[00:39:19] Wayne: similar players.

[00:39:21] Wayne: I do. Well, yeah, I said two arms and two legs. 

[00:39:26] Tony: Well, you turned around and said you could be in a coffin for five years, come back and know more about the game than I would. Well, yeah. Mm. Oh boy. No, I think, you know what, and I'm going to go over that. I think, uh, Reid will be as good as Judd, maybe if not better.

[00:39:41] Wayne: Oh, that's a big statement. 

[00:39:44] Tony: Mate, he's got all the hallmarks of Juddy. Juddy was, um, Lauded as a star at 19, you know, it was running out of packs and a big statement if he ends up as good as Judd Well, he will be a champion. You'll make Nathan Brown said as much on the Sunday footy show yesterday He 

[00:39:58] Wayne: will be a champion [00:40:00] if he's because Chris Judd is a champion.

[00:40:01] Wayne: Chris Judd is a champion of the game We don't often talk about the interstate size and we should. Port Adelaide disappointing. Oh, West Coast I played a really good first quarter. West Coast unbelievable. Fremantle disappointing. The other one that was disappointing Gold Coast 

[00:40:14] Tony: Yeah, 

[00:40:15] Wayne: everyone getting all all you know fluffy Fluffy about the goal because I couldn't charge you're gonna be and you know, they're coming and this and that well big step backwards on The weekend but 

[00:40:27] Tony: with the expectations Grandiose compared to what they can put on 

[00:40:30] Wayne: the 

[00:40:30] Tony: field.

[00:40:31] Tony: Well, 

[00:40:31] Wayne: I You know, I was expecting that game to be closer than what it was. No, I agree on Sydney's home deck yesterday I got an absolute shellacking. 

[00:40:40] Tony: Yeah, I'm disappointed quality 

[00:40:42] Wayne: quality team Sydney Gold Coast, everyone expecting Gold Coast to improve, they take a step backwards, Port Adelaide the same.

[00:40:52] Wayne: Quite, quite, it's an interesting year isn't it? Just when you think a side is going along okay. Melbourne, obviously, [00:41:00] you know, there's a lot of A lot of little cracks. No one, no one is really standing it. And, and the question for Geelong is they played quality opposition on the weekend. Yep. They got quality opposition.

[00:41:12] Wayne: We hope again this week with the blues. But that's your subtle dig at the MRO. The weeks prior to that. I don't think they'd played too many teams. No, 

[00:41:22] Tony: well they had a good win over Hawthorne. They beat North Melbourne. So it's an easy run thus far, bar the Lions. Correct. 

[00:41:28] Wayne: So anyway, a few sides taking backward steps, a few sides moving forward.

[00:41:33] Wayne: It does set up to be an interesting year. I am looking forward to Anzac Day. It is going to be a ripper. So for anyone out there that, um, Well, doesn't really understand, and a lot of the young people probably don't. If you're a parent of young, um, young kids, I reckon explain to them about what the Anzacs, um, did for this country.

[00:41:53] Wayne: And, uh, and, yeah, get them to the dawn service, or if it's too early, at least get to one of the services at some [00:42:00] point and, uh, and, uh, explain to them what, you know, what an incredible, incredible people, um, they were. Sage 

[00:42:07] Tony: advice, Doc. Eh? Yes. So, now who's going to win the, um, the medal, the Anzac Day medal?

[00:42:11] Wayne: Well, if you're going to, uh, hop on your Surge betting app and have a look at the Anzac medal I'll throw, I'll throw one up here and he's just I know I'll say who hasn't been in good form I hope he's not injured. I don't think he's been in good form according to what I've read and yes the snippets But I'll say Jordan Dagoe Yes, uh, Jordan DeGue, you know what he's been?

[00:42:38] Wayne: And I'll tell you why, he's been very big in big games. His finals record is very, very good, Jordan DeGue, so he's my little uh, 

[00:42:47] Tony: Okay, well I might stick with the same team. I might go Scott Pendlebury. 

[00:42:55] Wayne: Really? 

[00:42:55] Tony: Yeah. I think he needs, 

[00:42:58] Wayne: I think he's won four of them. Yeah, but [00:43:00] he knows his 

[00:43:00] Tony: people. Potentially his last season.

[00:43:02] Tony: He gets up for big gains and I think he's probably going to set himself for this, you know, 85, 000 people against Essendon. Two warhorses, I reckon he can come back and this will be his breakout game for the rest of the 

[00:43:14] Wayne: year I'll tell you what we're going to do We're going to break the truth hurts up in the in the coming weeks and we're gonna start running a couple of segments Well, I want to actually run a couple of I want to get the people Invested invested it.

[00:43:26] Wayne: So we're gonna run a couple of your email inboxes full. We're gonna run a couple of comps Give it to us. We start next week. So there's a little teaser. Start next week. Couple of competitions for people to win. Some 

[00:43:39] Tony: amazing stuff. Yep. And they don't get to cut the ribbon either. Um, now, Duck, there was something I want to bring up which is a little tidbit.

[00:43:47] Tony: Tell you what I 

[00:43:48] Wayne: did notice about cutting of the ribbon down there at, uh, after hours is, uh, Tattoos are very popular. Yeah, they are. Very popular. 

[00:43:57] Tony: Yeah, down at, uh, we let her say the name down at After Dark. [00:44:00] 

[00:44:00] Wayne: After Hours. After 

[00:44:01] Tony: Hours, After Dark. 

[00:44:02] Wayne: Well, uh, if it's after hours, it's generally dark. Well, unless you get home when you got home.

[00:44:10] Wayne: No, I didn't, I didn't go. The sun was coming up. 

[00:44:13] Tony: Well, no, apparently from all reports, you've, uh, you performed very well down there. Oh, 

[00:44:17] Wayne: you're a 

[00:44:18] Tony: had a couple of waters. All right. Yeah. Before we go on one more. Essendon, the, uh, the way they sang the song after the Adelaide win, why can't the other 17 clubs do similar?

[00:44:30] Tony: It was a great rendition of the song over in Adelaide, beat them by three points, it was fantastic. Tex Walker at practice shits was demonstrative towards the umpires, but you know what was funny, Duck? The Channel 7 cameraman, in a rarity, was allowed in the circle to film all the players. Yep. And as the Essendon players stopped singing the theme song, the Channel 7 cameraman gave a fist pump.

[00:44:54] Tony: He's obviously an Essendon supporter. 

[00:44:57] Wayne: Well, when you have a big win, on the road. [00:45:00] That's, that's the type that, that, that's the, yeah, that's the passion and the camaraderie. Why can't Carlton do this? Why can't, I tell you what, if North Melbourne ever win a game again, I think you'll see that same sort of passion.

[00:45:11] Wayne: They'll sing the song the same way. 

[00:45:12] Tony: I just, I can't fathom the teams, like even Geelong, turn around and go, Because they win every week. You know what then? One thing that I wanted to bring up for you. They have a big win. Do not play the theme song as the team's run out. 

[00:45:25] Wayne: I tell you what, if Geelong get up by four points against the Blues in front of, you know, 80, 000.

[00:45:31] Wayne: Yeah. Then you'll see that the Cats sing with a bit of passion. If they just run at the mill wins the Cats, they're just that used to it. It's just, yeah, yeah, yeah. What if 

[00:45:38] Tony: the NRL boys do it with gusto and throw beer and cater aid and water everywhere? That's 

[00:45:43] Wayne: Do the NRL boys still have a beer in the rooms?

[00:45:45] Tony: Well VB and Gator and Forex don't they? I remember 

[00:45:47] Wayne: many years ago when, uh, playing during the 90s, you would go to the odd NRL game, the Storm game, and you'd go into the rooms and they did. They had, they still had the beers on ice. Yeah. [00:46:00] Yeah, the AFL don't, uh, don't do that. That hasn't 

[00:46:03] Tony: been done for a long time.

[00:46:04] Tony: Hey, now one thing, just before we go, Duck, about that incident in the sheds in the NRL, I think it was Reid Marnie and, uh, Jack actually crossed paths in the tunnel as they were being let off the field and have gone toe to toe. Is that something that has ever happened with you or an AFL game? Hang on, so at the game, um, Yeah, they both walked down the tunnel.

[00:46:28] Tony: So they just finished the game? Well, I don't think, no, I think it was during the game, and then there's been vision of the two boys, like, shaping up in the tunnel with other officials, from opposing sides. 

[00:46:39] Wayne: Oh. 

[00:46:40] Tony: But didn't that happen like years ago when both teams would share rooms side by side? 

[00:46:44] Wayne: Yeah, and they'd come out of the same, 

[00:46:46] Tony: the 

[00:46:46] Wayne: same 

[00:46:47] Tony: race.

[00:46:47] Tony: Yeah. Did that ever happen back in your day? 

[00:46:49] Wayne: Uh, I can't, well never any trouble, but the AFL stopped that for a reason. Yeah. For that, for that exact reason. Yeah. So are they still coming out of the same race, clearly? 

[00:46:57] Tony: Yeah. Yep. I 

[00:46:58] Wayne: would 

[00:46:59] Tony: have thought that, [00:47:00] that probably has to change. Yeah, well I just want to make sure, it was Reid, Marnie and Jackson somebody, so I'll get that sorted.

[00:47:05] Tony: It 

[00:47:05] Wayne: evokes a lot of. A lot of passion and energy. Yeah, which is great. Yeah. And you, you know, Just goes to show you that they care 

[00:47:14] Tony: as long as there's no one. No injuries. Correct. One's hurt. 

[00:47:16] Wayne: They're standing face to face, 

[00:47:18] Tony: you know, people love confrontation. They love comparisons and they love not violence, but they love confrontation.

[00:47:27] Tony: Yeah. People. What do you think? I don't really love confrontation. I didn't mean in the botanical hotel. I just, I meant out on the footy field. The AFL is basketball like, and this is why Toby Green is potentially facing a week on the sidelines. 

[00:47:43] Wayne: Uh, good to see, well, good to see that you're confrontational.

[00:47:49] Wayne: All right. See you next week. Great episode.