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Building Confidence as a Trainer | Emma from Anytime Fitness North Carolina

• Chris Hitchko, CEO Show Up Fitness • Season 2 • Episode 167

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Unlock the secrets to building confidence as a personal trainer and creating customized workout plans that resonate with your clients. This episode features Ms. Emma from North Carolina, who candidly shares her transformative journey from uncertainty to empowerment after attending our Atlanta seminar. Gain insights into how Emma's newfound skills are applied to help her roommate Audrey, who navigates the challenges of type one diabetes and potential PCOS, achieve her fitness goals.

We dive into the intricacies of crafting workout programs that honor client preferences while addressing unique health needs. Discover the thoughtful process behind tailoring routines that incorporate beloved exercises like RDLs and sumo squats, and creatively adapt disliked ones such as planks and calf workouts. Through Emma's story, we highlight the importance of empathy and communication in understanding what motivates clients and how to make exercise enjoyable and effective.

For trainers eager to elevate their careers, we explore advanced strategies for business growth. Learn how to set expectations, leverage social media, and cultivate strong client relationships that foster referrals. We discuss the critical elements of creating successful training businesses, from structuring workout plans to achieving long-term ambitions like opening a gym. Join us for an inspiring conversation filled with practical insights that empower trainers to thrive in the ever-evolving fitness industry.

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Speaker 1:

Welcome to the Show Up Fitness Podcast, where great personal trainers are made. We are changing the fitness industry one qualified trainer at a time, with our in-person and online personal training certification. If you want to become an elite personal trainer, head on over to showupfitnesscom. Also, make sure to check out my book how to Become a Successful Personal Trainer. Don't forget to subscribe, rate and review. Have a great day and keep showing up. Howdy everybody. Welcome back to the Show Up Fitness podcast. Today we have Ms Emma, and she showed up to our seminar in Atlanta. She lives in North Carolina, she's a trainer at Anytime Fitness and, like a lot of folks, she came across us a little too late, but she hopped on the Show Up train and now we're going to do some big things. We're going to design a program for her roommate. Today. Let's talk a little bit about how you came across Show Up, what your thoughts were on the seminar and how's that confidence coming along.

Speaker 2:

Yeah. So I came across Show Up probably a couple weeks before I was due to take my test for NASM and I kind of was starting to feel that same way of what do I study, how do I study, how do I pass this kind of deal, and kind of slipped into your podcast. I've watched a couple of your YouTube videos, really really liked how you guys, what you guys were putting out there, so I slipped into that. And then after that I passed my NASM and, uh, came out feeling like what the heck now? So, uh, confidence wise, I I feel, you know, I feel decently confident in a way, but at the same time I'm I'm, I guess, not so much because I'm, at the same time I'm looking at putting in front of a client. I don't know if I'd be able to program them correctly. I want to, especially with assessments and stuff like that. Um, confidence wise, yeah, I don't know. I was coming out feeling meh.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, it's okay, you showed up you went to the seminar and we had some one-on-one time and paired you up with some great trainers at Lifetime and when you left that weekend, what was your confidence looking like? You know, talking to a lot of trainers, talking to you, talking to josh, all everybody. Was it helped a lot with confidence wise that I've left feeling more ready to jump in? I've I had prior I was feeling like I don't think I should jump in because what would I do? Now I feel like I'm just jump in like I I'm right, more ready for it, I think think yeah, you definitely are.

Speaker 1:

And here's the issue with the industry. There was a great post from Dr Russin. We consult with him and he has some great programs, interviewed a lot of his instructors on the podcast and he mentioned the 5% of trainers. They're educated, they're experienced and they're empathetic and I thought that was really great because we've talked about for a long time trainers who are successful. They have the business skills, people skills and the trade skills when, if you look at that average person and it's, it always comes back and people will say you're talking shit about the industry. No, I'm just educating people on what it's like.

Speaker 1:

You read a textbook, you go take this test and there's really two people. There's smart individuals like Emma who recognizes that you know what. I'm not ready to go out there and start working with people. This is an actual human.

Speaker 1:

And the scary thing is the anti-Emmas, the ones that have this false confidence. I know what I'm doing. I'm going to go gain experience without supervision. How do you know what's right? Well, I just got to gain my reps and experience. No, the fuck, you don't.

Speaker 1:

You need to be in a room where you had at least there's probably 500 years of experience, that you were around 20 lifetime trainers Josh, myself and you can kind of observe and then ask questions, and what happens?

Speaker 1:

You kind of start peeling back the layers and you go okay, I can do this, but before I was really just kind of throwing shit at the wall hoping it was going to stick, and rightfully so. You have those feelings of what we call imposter phenomenon syndrome, whatever it is, because we really don't know what to do. And that's the scary thing is how many trainers out there right now are training people and they think it's the right way. So when you're able to have a conversation and go, okay, well, my hypothetical client's going to be a male or female and they're going to have this issue. Now you have a game plan. If someone were to come in with knee discomfort, you have some techniques that you can now implement with the soft tissue of the knee, low back stuff that we did. You can screen for that. But a lot of your clients may be the case like your roommate. So let's talk about her a little bit and let's just find a program to see what that would look like.

Speaker 2:

Yeah. So Audrey, she's 20, she's 21 or turning 21 soon, she's 20 right now and she's a type one diabetic. She also thinks that she might be suffering from PCOS, but that hasn't been diagnosed yet. She has goals of weight loss kind of in her lower extremities and also just lower body emphasis in general Mobility. She has really tight hips and she has a couple others. She has a whole. She has really tight hips and she has a couple others. She has a whole a lot of little goals like improving posture and kind of back and rear delt emphasis a lot.

Speaker 2:

She has a lot of favorites and a couple dislikes when it comes to certain exercises and I took some notes too about she says that specifically on like hamstring curls for example, her knees grind sitting hamstring curls, her knees will grind a little bit and feel uncomfortable. She kind of has the same deal with her shoulders as well and she says she's very quad dominant. So I kind of wanted to figure out how best to program her, especially putting in that factor of that she's type one diabetic. Um, especially putting in that factor of that she's type 1 diabetic.

Speaker 1:

So now, this is a unique scenario because this is someone who you know and that's where it's kind of like a little gray area. If this was a client and they were to come to show up fitness and they have what's called a metabolic disease, type 1 or type 2, I would need medical clearance because that is not in our scope of practice, even though it may be under control. The difference between type one we're taking a shot. Type two it's self-induced due to exercise, calories in calories, out food, as well as sleep and stress. So in this case, if that was a client, I'll refer out. Take it as an opportunity to reach out to the doc and say I'm really excited to help a mutual client of ours. I would love to take you out to lunch sometime. Learn more about contraindications for this client. Well, I have a gym over here. I'd love to get you in. Normally my sessions are X, but I'm going to give you a discount just because you're a doc and you're a badass, and then you create that relationship with the medical professional 100%. I guarantee you my biggest belt buckle. I got a lot of them, but that doctor has never, ever had a trainer reach out to them, and so already you're separating yourself amongst a quote unquote pack of certified trainers that are out there. You're beginning to build your team but, most importantly, we got in this to help people, so now you're going to learn a lot about this individual and then you're going to ask questions about PCOS and say, okay, well, she has this condition. Now the doc may say, now, was it diagnosed? Or and this is again a great reason why you want to have a team. I just listened to a podcast from our partners, the prehab guys, about how they grew their podcast in their in their facility and everything they have their brand to 2.5 million followers and one of the things that Arash said is like 85, 86% of patients, before they come in, they research stuff and that's kind of scary and that's exactly what I got from what you told me right there.

Speaker 1:

Quad dominant is not a term the average person uses, and so I'll be curious on where that came from. Maybe she was talking to someone at the gym. A trainer said something. Maybe it was online on Instagram. I want to learn where she got that vocabulary from.

Speaker 1:

Talk to me more about your type one diabetes. Is this something that's in control? What do you like to have in case an episode were to kick in? And because, even though type one typically doesn't experience the same things as type two, I want to learn everything about that individual Type two. I'd want to have some glucose tablets, something on hand, maybe a apple juice or orange juice, something that's going to get into the bloodstream very, very quickly to help get them back to where they need to be if an episode were to happen. But for her, who knows what it could be? And then I would also want to learn about the PCOS. Is this something that was diagnosed or did we go into the Google machine and type in I have this condition.

Speaker 1:

And when people say they do the research, I don't knock them out, kind of flirt in a fun way. They'll say let me guess you did your research by typing in the condition that you had and you clicked on the first couple of links and they'll kind of giggle and be like that's not research link that popped up wasn't a paid ad and what we're doing is we're confirming our biases and so maybe we don't have the physique we want, because it's always going to be volume, frequency, intensity when it comes to the gym, sleep and everything else outside of that and calories in, but it's so easy to pick something out that confirms our bias of why we're not where we want to be, and this is stuff that's going on in my head. I'm not going to be like oh, a or B or C or start labeling people. No, I want to help you and so, from what I just told you right there, do you know how and why she came up with that term? Quad dominant?

Speaker 2:

I don't know where she came up with quad dominant in general. I don't know if I didn't ask her too much into that. She just kind of said that she is quad dominant. Um, she lifted a lot. From what I what she's told me, she lifted a lot. Um did a lot of strength training and resistance training. Uh, I would say beginning of the year is when she was really into lifting. Um, I don't know too much into detail about what kind of what she was doing or implementing in her workouts back then, but I would assume maybe if hearing that term, maybe at the gyms that she was going to or trainers that she might have been talking to if I was walking out of Equinox yesterday at Westlake and I saw the beautiful anatomy charts that NASM has in their textbook and there was a girl at the front desk studying it.

Speaker 1:

I went over and talked to her and I said, let me guess trying to pass NASM has in their textbook. And there was a girl at the front desk studying it. I went over and talked to her and I said, let me guess trying to pass NASM. And she's like looked at me like I'm a weirdo and I'm like, don't worry, we've helped over 5,000 people pass. It's not going to help you become a great trainer. That's where we come in and you're not at a conversation with her.

Speaker 1:

But you will learn that your client is more quad dominant. They're weak here. So we already start labeling people as weak, and so I'd be curious to really find out where that originated from One, because we could go down a whole rabbit hole where maybe she truly does have a higher recruitment rate for her quads and we need to lessen that recruitment by doing some pre-exhaustive work. That's pretty advanced. I can go there if I need to, but more times than not it's really just a. It's almost like the placebo effect. Someone will tell them that and then now that's in their head, I want to learn more about the exercises that you said she likes and she doesn't like.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, um. So she said favorites RDLs kind of hinge movements, uh, rdls, deadlifts, she loves deadlifts. Uh, she hasn't in a long time but she said that specifically they're her favorites. Base pulls, lateral raises, she loves sumo squat, goblet squat, kind of variations, in that she dislikes planks, a lot of core stuff, and she really dislikes anything chest or calf related. She doesn't really train chest, she doesn't really train calves and the exercises she just doesn't like in general. Sitting hamstring curls is what she didn't like as well, because again she says she feels her knees grind on sitting hamstring curls. I don't know about how she'd do it laying down, but she said sitting specifically, machine crunches, she loves machine crunches, she loves machine crunches.

Speaker 1:

So always use positive vocabulary and I'm going to go down that rabbit hole a little bit to see why. And for the grinding is it the? The fear that we associate quote-unquote grinding with pain or with injuries? Because that's just what's naturally called. I did a post on this Crepitus. It's just your body's way of waking up. Now, if your knees hurt the next day or right after that set, they feel bad, yeah, maybe we want to eliminate those. For the time being, we don't have to do that exercise. There's lots of other ones that we can do. Nordics are greatly superior, and numerous other ones stability, ball curls, whatever. That's the beauty of being a qualified coach is your exercise library is vast. I'm going to challenge things like the plank.

Speaker 1:

Why don't we like planks? And it's probably something that's just they're mundane. I'm like, oh, have you done butt planks before? And she'll go whoa, what do you mean butt planks? Oh, you haven't done the good planks. That's why you don't like them, because doing a microwave plank where you put the time down for a minute, that sucks. But when was the last time you did some butt planks? And then you get her down there and you have her lift her leg up, like we did in the seminar, drive out against you. Holy crap, I feel it in my glutes Now. We're not gonna do these anymore. What do you mean? Why? Because you said you don't like planks. No, no, no, no, no. What I meant was and then you can kind of have fun with it. Well, this is the elementary version. You really haven't done the side burning butt planks.

Speaker 1:

And she'd be like what are you talking about? You go grab an elastic band, put it on her knees and then you walk across the gym floor in the plank position with abductions and her ass will be absolutely on fire. A lot of times they're just boring. So that's why I want to challenge that. But if something was shooting or she just didn't like them, you respect it.

Speaker 1:

She didn't want to do chest stuff. Talk to me more Now. My mind is going to you know. Correct me if I'm wrong, which you can easily do, but my mind will go. Okay, some girls won't like doing chest stuff because they have larger breasts and and it feels weird or awkward, or maybe someone commented, or maybe she's heard before, that if you do chest exercises, you're going to lose your breast. There's so many misconceptions out there. That's what my mind is thinking. I'm not going to say it, I'm going to wait until I gather. Well, why don't you like doing pushups and upper body exercise? Don't you want to have the nice toned arms like everyone else, or what's going on there? So do you know the answer?

Speaker 2:

toned arms like everyone else or what's going on there. So do you know the answer? I? I asked her a little bit about that, like, uh, why she doesn't like calves and, um, chest specifically? She didn't we didn't go into too much detail on it, but she did. She just doesn't like any of the exercises that go along with them. She's I don't know something about any type of exercise that goes. I don't know about any. I mean, I sure we could find something we could implement for sure, but she didn't. We didn't go into too much detail about that, but she, yeah, I don't know, she just doesn't like the calves, she doesn't like the chest exercise.

Speaker 1:

And you respect it because you know we talk a lot about the biopsychosocial model of pain. But that approach goes into exercise, nutrition, so many different things, because she could have had a significant other in the past say, oh my God, your calves are so ugly. You know the guys can be dicks, girls can be dicks. Who knows the psychological trauma that could have happened when she was in high school or junior high and someone said something that just really scarred her and now it's just imprinted and you respect it. We have to do calves.

Speaker 1:

No, I would make a joke and be like you don't want beautiful calves like mine. And if she's like, no, I don't fucking want those, I'm like, oh shit, Okay, I respect that. But you know I want to learn, try to learn more, and a lot of times it could just be a psychological little issue. That happened in the past. I'm going to respect the stuff with the chest and and so my program. My brain goes okay, so she likes feeling it. If a genie were to pop out of a lamp and she were to have one magical body part, what do you think she would say?

Speaker 2:

um, she would probably say something with the quads, okay, so she wants her quads to grow more? Well, I think, to slim down a little bit more and to slim down her hips a little bit more.

Speaker 1:

Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha so sometimes we have that fear of you know, quadzilla, and we watch a video little bit more and slim down her hips a little bit more Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha. So sometimes we have that fear of you know, quadzilla, and we watch a video of a CrossFitter or a power lifter and she has some jack quads and we're thinking, oh my God, I don't want to have quads like that, I'm quad dominant and we had this fear she was overemphasizing the like of hinging in posterior stuff, because you can really feel it. So again, respect that and do things that are more hinge specific. When you do a CCA, you do not have to hit all patterns. So, for example, you can have all of a hinge day and compliment that with upper body if it's going to be a full body workout. How many days a week does she want to train? Three to four? Okay, three to four. So I'd ask her which one, three or four? Because my programming will change If we're going to do three consecutive days, if we're going to do three non-consecutive days, if we're going to do four, I would typically do an upper lower, upper lower and, depending on her soreness and her recoverability, women typically recover faster than men. That's why we can do more volume as well.

Speaker 1:

I am a strength coach. I coach track, triple jump, long jump, high jump those are all my favorite events, so I know the value of implementing jumping and plyometrics and I'll find out more about. Is she implemented any type of jumping before? Because what I would do is like a leg day lower body emphasis and throw some abs in there, and the second day I would do upper body emphasis but I would do plyos, have a day off and then rinse and repeat. Now I can do more of a hinge pattern on the first leg workout and the second one could be a unilateral hinge variation or squat variation.

Speaker 1:

Now I would be a little cautious of overloading too much with squats, because if she has that tendency to be fearful, even though she's not going to get big and bulky, you have to respect that. You have some dipshit meathead like myself said oh, you're not going to get big and bulky, we've got to squat, we've got to squat, we've got to squat. She's thinking in the back of her head like I don't want fucking do this, I don't wanna get big and bulky. So that fear is going to one not be empathetic, but I'm not listening to what she said so when I say, okay, this is how much it's gonna cost for the session, she's like, oh, let me think about it. And then she's gonna go talk to her friends or people online and she's gonna essentially compare it to what I just said. And it's going to be really difficult as a male in that regard.

Speaker 1:

As a girl, it's so much easier to relate to your clients, so you want to learn and see what you can provide for their best environment. And so she mentioned posture. I would add that in as accessory. So day one, let's focus more on hands. Because she likes it, does she hip thrust much?

Speaker 2:

Yep.

Speaker 1:

Great. I always tell people I make a little joke and I'll say you're going to pay me a lot of money for you to show me how you work out, and they kind of like, what do you mean? Because I know that you're going to get results from volume, frequency and intensity, so we're not lifting as hard as we potentially can or could. And that's where I come in. I'll push you a little bit more and then the accessory stuff is where I have fun trainer engagement and I get you thinking bigger and, holy crap, I've never felt my glutes feel that way before that burn. This is the person who I need to work with. So I would do, in this case, I would do your hinge first, and then you could even do like a four CA, because this is a unique situation, because she is more conditioned, she isn't in her forties, overweight, obese, she's younger, she trains regularly. So let's do four CA. So the first one we do a hinge, followed by an ab exercise. I would incorporate those planks in there, just to challenge the notion why she doesn't like planks, because I guarantee you afterwards she's going to like them. We'll do that for three rounds. Add some weight, get involved as a trainer that last couple reps press down, hold for five, ten seconds, really get her posterior chain fired up. Second CA I would go into a RDL variation, into another ab exercise. Maybe we do side planks this time and then we work on abduction like a star plank. I'm going to do a poster right now and you can see those variations that are really great for hip as well as knee health, but also great for the core. We have two hinges right there. Let's do another hinge pattern. And so I'm going to do a single leg RDL variation, complement that with some bicycle kicks and do some variations that are slow, as we did in Atlanta, get the abs really fired up. And then, lastly, I'm going to do a kettlebell RDL and then I'm going to complement that with like a little game. Maybe I do a kettlebell RDL into a wall sit into some cardio jump rope maybe not jump rope, because she doesn't want to grow her calves, so maybe we just run back and forth. If I'm her trainer. Maybe we do some mirroring, where she has to mirror me back and forth. Maybe we run around or we go and do a little sprint on a treadmill or a ski erg. We make that last circuit more metabolically conditioned Metcon is what we would call that and so we're hitting 12 solid sets in that leg workout. Remember, girls can typically handle more. She's already conditioned. See how she feels Next time she comes in.

Speaker 1:

Then I'm going to incorporate some jumping. So then I would do a CCA, with the first core movement pattern being transitional, and we're going to do a jump. Maybe we jump onto a platform, maybe we just do a vertical jump, we could do a broad jump, whatever jump you feel most confident implementing, as long as it doesn't look like fucking Tinkerbell. So we do not throw our hands behind our back and flail in the air like so many influencers. We are qualified trainers, so you load back and you explode up into the air. Find me an elite athlete who jumps like tinkerbell. You won't only influencers. So if you want to be a respected professional, jump like a professional and then you go into an upper body exercise. So can she do pull-ups?

Speaker 2:

um, I don't know. I don't think she'll be able to do a pull-up right now.

Speaker 1:

Great, I love it. So then we'll do that jump into a pull-up, into maybe a bicep or a tricep or another ab variation there. Three rounds. We can go to the second one, incorporate another set of jumps. Maybe we do lateral this time. If we did a pull, what do you think we'll do the second time? She doesn't like chest, so I wouldn't do a push and see how she'd do with that and then do another accessory for bias, try shoulders, and then end off on that last one. I would do a pull into another cardio variation and then throw in another arm isolation. So I like doing the arm isolation stuff as an accessory cardio as well.

Speaker 1:

Notice how we don't do cardio in the first circuit because we don't want to take away from maximal tension On day one when we did our hip thrust. I can only imagine if you did hip thrust and do a bunch of jump rope or step ups or whatever. We're fatigued, so when we come back to round two we can't do as much weight. Your muscles are going to grow based on the amount of tension that we put on them, not confused with time under tension. Yes, we want that full range of motion, but we don't want to compromise tension and unfortunately today a lot of the classes and programming is going to compromise tension in lieu of making it harder. And harder doesn't mean better, because you could just do sprints for an hour and you would literally die. You're not going to get those amazing results still. So there, your workout, we have a leg specific day and then we have an upper body throwing in some plyometrics, and then the great thing about the CCA and designing a program for a week.

Speaker 1:

I would just take that first workout and then bring it into the third workout and implement the same movements within reason and then overload them. Maybe I would take the Bulgarians and put those first and then move the hip thrust into the second or third circuit, and then what I would do is the load would go down. So let's say she did 225 for three sets of 10 on Monday. Next time we do hip thrust, we put it at the end of a workout and we do three sets of 35 with lighter weight at 135. And that will really get the glutes and the hamstrings all fired up.

Speaker 1:

And it's still doing the exercise, the hip thrust, which is a pattern of a hinge, but we're just manipulating where it goes in the program and then, once you come back, yes, how do you like that? How are we feeling today? Are we sore in the right places? And then you get into the workout. Now mobility stuff you can also incorporate. People will say mobility, people will say these terms and I'm always kind of thinking like, did you hear that from someone and that's why you're doing it? Maybe there's a fear based. They're like you got to be mobile or you're going to get injured, or do you really want to learn how to become more mobile, because I can help you with that. So then we just take out the ab or the accessory or, sorry, the uh isolation curl or the tricep and then put in a mobility exercise there.

Speaker 2:

Does that kind of make sense? Yeah, that makes sense.

Speaker 2:

I know that she talks to me a lot about how she's super, super, super tight in her hips and I remember we did a stretching night a couple weeks ago and she woke up the next day and she had bruises on the inside of her thighs a little bit, and not crazy bruise her thighs a little bit and, um, not crazy, bruise just a little bit. And uh, after that she's talking how much she wants to figure out mobility and just be more mobile down, you know, on her hips especially so yeah.

Speaker 1:

So when she would come in I would start out and do a solid five to seven minute pnf proprioceptive neuromuscular facilitation. Do some of those, do, do some, you know, some of the calm, controlled articular rotation, some cars, and do some hip mobility stuff and then play around. Is it more mobility or stability? And this is the fun thing about gaining experience as the N1. So you are the expert but you have that subject in front of you. This isn't this is referred to as like anecdotal evidence, but you can have her do PNF stretching one day and then you see how her hips feel the next time she comes in.

Speaker 1:

Put a band on her knees, you do some bridges, you do some of those butt planks that I talked about. You do some side band walks, some hip flexions. You target the hip in the way that it wants to move. So flexion extension, aba deduction, external, internal rotation, do some anterior posterior tilts and then see how she feels. If she comes back and says, wow, that first day when I did the mobility stuff, it was significantly less tight. Then now you know less tight, then now you know, okay, for her doing the mobility stuff works. Maybe she were to say the hip flexions loaded with the band and the butt planks were superior for opening up her hips. Well then, we would go and do more stability, or what our nation likes to call activation stuff. We just need to find out why is her hips tight? What is?

Speaker 1:

going on there and I'd be willing to bet most of the time we just need to load up the psoas major, get those flexors to get some concentric work, but also get into different planes, because most of the time when we do exercise we're going to stick into the sagittal plane. We're just running, we're jumping, we're doing stairs, we're doing biking, et cetera. When you do some stuff in the frontal plane, you go side to side, add some load. A lot of times the tightness will start coming down. We just play around with it and see what works for it. And some people may ask what about stretching? Okay, if you want to stretch, stretch. But I bet you she's probably stretched before and guess what? It didn't open up her hips. So why are we going to continue to stretch? Let's try some of these drills that are really going to activate up. Now, if she had some discomfort in there, you could get into some of the soft tissue. But she's not reporting like discomfort of her knee or hip, it's just tightness. So you get to experiment with this stuff yourself.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, with that, with the soft tissue stuff I was actually. I practiced on her a little bit. She has some lower back pain on and off every once in a while, so I was practicing on her with that one a little bit and she said that she felt relieved the next day. But that's where I'm figuring out my scope of practice with that, because I do want to implement that very much as a trainer. But going into that it's figuring out. I just watched your podcast that you just put out on that it was a great one on the soft tissue mobilization and heard what you said about.

Speaker 2:

Vincent and how he's tight, and figure out what that's not just pain. So yeah, I'm just trying to figure out what that's not just pain or you know. So yeah, I don't know, I'm just trying to figure out what's scope of practice.

Speaker 1:

That's the fun part about being a trainer is you can do a lot, and your goal, your checklist, in the next three to six months, is to build that team to work with a physical therapist. Shadow, learn the medical approach that they're implementing and the strategies and tools work on building in a physical therapist. Sorry, shadow, learn the the medical approach that they're implementing and the strategies and tools work on building in a physical therapist. Sorry, just said I'm a registered dietitian and so now your team is building and then now you have your soft tissue cert. You have your nutrition cert. Your credentials are significantly superior and different than the average trainer.

Speaker 1:

The average trainer has a textbook, precision nutrition or textbook NCI, whatever it is. They don't learn how to actually implement this stuff. So the certifications that we get should level us up. Like in Mario Kart or Mario or whatever it was. You go to the next world. It's more challenging. So in our world, when you get a new or another certification or specialization, you should be charging more. So we go from 50 bucks to 70 bucks, 70 bucks to 90 bucks, and that is how you can become an elite trainer. It's not all about money, but we should be paid for our services and if you're the best trainer out there, you can showcase that by getting your clients the best results, safely, helping them get out of pain and building your team.

Speaker 2:

So, before we call her a day, any questions for me With that with the split for her, this DCA, how we're going to implement it. It's probably lower body, upper. Let's say she does three days a week lower body, upper body and then lower body again, or maybe just a full body day.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, you make that decision.

Speaker 2:

And there's no answer there.

Speaker 1:

I would maybe do. I can try three different ways. Stick to it for a good month, but lower body, upper body, see what's sore and don't train that muscle. Now, if it's three non-consecutive days, I would do full body every time Monday, wednesday, friday and you could hit anywhere from 10 to as much as 12, 14 working sets, because girls can definitely handle more. And then that's where you gain that experience and you let her know.

Speaker 2:

And this was a conversation I had the other day, I guess not training family members and friends at the same time set a clear expectation and work on your communication skills, not saying you don't have them, but just to set your own, especially in the future, and stuff like let her know that my goal is to be charging, how much you want to charge per hour?

Speaker 1:

and it's okay. You showed up, you went to the seminar and we had some one-on-one time that's what we have.

Speaker 2:

To carry you up with some great trainers of lifetime, with your morning and rituals and what was your?

Speaker 1:

confidence looking like I'm gonna be charging. It was much better. I I know you talked to you. Let her know I'm gonna be charging being around training you three times and getting that hand first time hands-on experience. You know, talking to a lot of trainers, talking to you, talking to josh, all that exchange is going to be. I'm going to grab your phone during a workout and say I've left feeling more ready to jump in. I had prior I was like I don't think I should jump in because what would?

Speaker 1:

I do Now I feel like.

Speaker 2:

I'm just jumping Like I'm more ready for it, I think.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, you definitely are. And here's the issue with the industry. There was a great post from Dr Russ and then we consult with him and he has some great programs, interviewed a lot of his instructors on the podcast and he mentioned the 5% of trainers. They're educated, they're experienced and they're empathetic and I thought that was really great, because we've talked about for a long time trainers who were successful. They have the business skills, people skills and the trade skills, but if you look at that average person, it always comes back.

Speaker 1:

I'm going to be growing my business. People will say you're talking shit about the industry. No, I'm just educating people on what it's like. You read a textbook, you go take this test and there's really two people. There's smart individuals like Emma, who recognizes that you know what. I'm not ready to go out there and start working with people. This is an actual human.

Speaker 1:

The scary thing is the anti-Emmas, the ones that have this false confidence. I know what I'm doing. I'm going to go gain experience without supervision. How do you know what's right? Well, I just got to gain my reps and experience. No, the fuck, you don't.

Speaker 1:

You need to be in a room where you had at least there's probably 500 years of experience that you were around 20 lifetime trainers Josh, myself and you can kind of observe and then ask questions. And what happens? You kind of start peeling back the layers and you go, okay, I can do this. But before I was really just kind of start peeling back the layers and you go, okay, I can do this. But before I was really just kind of throwing shit at the wall hoping it was going to stick, and rightfully so.

Speaker 1:

You have those feelings of what we call imposter phenomenon syndrome, whatever it is, because we really don't know what to do. And that's the scary thing is how many trainers out there right now are training people and they think it's the right way. So when you're able to have a conversation and go, okay, well, my hypothetical client's going to be a male or female and they're going to have this issue, now you have a game plan. If someone were to come in with knee discomfort, you have some techniques that you can now implement with the soft tissue of the knee, low back stuff that we did. You can screen for that. But a lot of your clients may be the case like your roommate. So let's talk about her a little bit and let's just find a program to see what that would look like.

Speaker 2:

Yeah. So Audrey, she's 21 or turning 21 soon, she's 20 right now and she's a type one diabetic. She also thinks that she might be suffering from PCOS, but that hasn't been diagnosed yet. She has goals of weight loss, kind of in her lower extremities and also just lower body emphasis in general Mobility. She has really tight hips and she has a couple others. She has a whole lot of little goals like improving posture and kind of back and rear delt emphasis a lot. She has a lot of favorites and a couple dislikes when it comes to certain exercises and I took some notes too about she says that specifically on like hamstring curls for example, her knees grind. Sitting hamstring curls Her knees will grind a little bit and feel uncomfortable. She kind of has the same deal with her shoulders as well and she says she's very quad dominant. So I kind of wanted to figure out how best to program her, especially putting in that factor that she's type 1 diabetic.

Speaker 1:

So now, this is a unique scenario because this is someone who you know and that's where it's kind of like a little gray area. If this was a client and they were to come to show up fitness and they have what's called a metabolic disease, type one or type two I would need medical clearance because that is not in our scope of practice, even though it may be under control. The difference between type one we're taking a shot. Type two it's self-induced due to exercise, calories in calories, out food, as well as sleep and stress. So in this case, if that was a client, I'll refer out. Take it as an opportunity to reach out to the doc and say I'm really excited to help a mutual client of ours. I would love to take you out to lunch sometime. Learn more about contraindications for this client. Well, I have a gym over here. I'd love to get you in. Normally my sessions are X, but I'm going to give you a discount just because you're a doc and you're a badass. And then you create that relationship with the medical professional 100%. I guarantee you my biggest belt buckle. I got a lot of them, but that doctor has never, ever had a trainer reach out to them, and so already you're separating yourself amongst a quote-unquote pack of certified trainers that are out there. You're beginning to build your team but, most importantly, we got in this to help people, so now you're gonna learn a lot about this individual and then you're gonna ask questions about PCOS and say, okay, well, she has this condition. Now the doc may say, now, was it diagnosed? Or and this is again a great reason why you want to have a team. I just listened to a podcast from our partners, the prehab guys, about how they grew their podcast and their facility and everything they have, their brand to 2.5 million followers and one of the things that Arash said is like 85, 86% of patients, before they come in, they research stuff and that's kind of scary. And that's exactly what I got from what you told me right there.

Speaker 1:

Quad dominant is not a term the average person uses, and so I'll be curious on where that came from. Maybe she was talking to someone at the gym. A trainer said something. Maybe it was online on Instagram. I want to learn where she got that vocabulary from.

Speaker 1:

Talk to me more about your type one diabetes. Is this something that's in control? What do you like to have in case an episode were to kick in and because, even though type one typically doesn't experience the same things as type two, I want to learn everything about that individual Type two. I'd want to have some glucose tablets, something on hand, maybe a apple juice or orange juice, something that's going to get into the bloodstream very, very quickly to help get them back to where they need to be If an episode were to happen. But for her, who knows what it could be? And then I would also want to learn about the PCOS.

Speaker 1:

Is this something that was diagnosed or do we go into the Google machine and type in? I have this condition. And when people say they do the research, I don't knock them. I'll kind of flirt in a fun way. I'll say let me guess you did your research by typing in the condition that you had and you clicked on the first couple of links.

Speaker 1:

And they'll kind of giggle and be like that's not research. How do you know that that first link that popped up wasn't a paid ad? And what we're doing is we're confirming our biases and so maybe we don't have the physique we want, because it's always going to be volume, frequency, intensity when it comes to the gym, sleep and everything else outside of that and calories in. But it's so easy to pick something out that confirms our bias of why we're not where we want to be, and this is stuff that's going on in my head. I'm not going to be like oh, a or B or C or start labeling people. No, I want to help you and so, from what I just told you right there, do you know how and why she came up with that term? Quad dominance?

Speaker 2:

I don't know where she came up with quad dominant in general.

Speaker 2:

I don't know if I didn't ask her too much into that. She just kind of said that she is quad dominant. She lifted a lot. From what she's told me, she lifted a lot, did a lot of strength training and resistance training. I would say beginning of the year is when she was really into lifting. The year is when she was really into lifting. I don't know too much into detail about what kind of what she was doing or implementing in her workouts back then, but I would assume maybe if hearing that term, maybe at the gyms that she was going to or trainers that she might have been talking to.

Speaker 1:

I was walking out of Equinox yesterday in Westlake and I saw the beautiful anatomy charts that NASM has in their textbook and there was a girl at the front desk studying it. I went over and talked to her and I said, let me guess trying to pass NASM. And she's like, looked at me like I'm a weirdo and I'm like, don't worry, we've helped over 5,000 people pass it. Amnesia, they're weak here. So we already start labeling people as weak, and so I'd be curious to really find out where that originated from One, because we could go down a whole rabbit hole where maybe she truly does have a higher recruitment rate for her quads and we need to lessen that recruitment by doing some pre-exhaustive work. That's pretty advanced. I can go there if I need to, but more times than not it's really just it's almost like the placebo effect Someone will tell them that and then now that's in their head.

Speaker 2:

I want to learn more about the exercises that you said she likes and she doesn't like. Yeah, so she said favorites RDLs, kind of hinge. Uh, RDL is deadlifts. She loves deadlifts Uh, she hasn't in a long time, but she said that specifically they're her favorites Um, base pulls, lateral raises.

Speaker 2:

She loves sumo squat, goblet squat kind of variations in that. Um, she dislikes planks, a lot of core stuff and she really dislikes anything chest or calf related. She doesn't really train chest, she doesn't really train calves and the exercises she just doesn't like in general. And sitting hamstring curls is what she didn't like as well Because again she says she feels her knees grind on sitting hamstring curls. I don't know about how she'd do it laying down, but she said sitting specifically and machine crunches she loves machine crunches.

Speaker 1:

So I like that, always use positive vocabulary, and I'm going to go down that rabbit hole a little bit to see why. See why. And for the grinding is it the fear that we associate quote unquote grinding with pain or with injuries? Because that's just what's naturally called. I did a post on this crepitus. It's just your body's way of waking up. Now, if your knees hurt the next day or right after that set they feel bad, yeah, maybe we want to eliminate those. For the time being. We don't have to do that exercise. There's lots of other ones that we can do. Nordics are greatly superior and numerous other ones stability, ball curls, whatever. That's the beauty of being a qualified coach is your exercise library is vast. I'm going to challenge things like the plank.

Speaker 1:

Why don't we like planks? And it's probably something that's just. They're mundane. I'm like, oh, have you done butt planks before? And she'll go whoa, what do you mean butt planks? Oh, you haven't done the good planks. That's why you don't like them. Because doing a microwave plank where you put the time down for a minute, that sucks. But when was the last time you did some butt planks? And then you get her down there and you have her lift her leg up like we did in the seminar. Drive out against you. Holy crap, I feel it in my glutes. Now we're not going to do these anymore.

Speaker 1:

Well, what do you mean? Why? Because you said you don't like planks. No, no, no, no, no. What I meant was and then you can kind of have fun with it. Well, this is the elementary version. You really haven't done the side burning butt planks.

Speaker 1:

And she'd be like what are you talking about? You go grab an elastic band, put it on her knees and then you walk across the gym floor in the plank position with abductions and her ass will be absolutely on fire. A lot of times you're just boring. So that's why I want to challenge that. But if something was shooting or she just didn't like them, you respect it. She didn't want to do chest stuff. Talk to me more.

Speaker 1:

Now my mind is going to you know. Correct me if I'm wrong, which you can easily do, but my mind will go okay, some girls won't like doing chest stuff because they have larger breasts and it feels weird or awkward, or maybe someone commented, or maybe she's heard before, that if you do chest exercises, you're going to lose your breasts. There's so many misconceptions out there. That's what my mind is thinking. I'm not going to say it. I'm going to wait until I gather. Well, why don't you like doing pushups and upper body exercise? Don't you want to have the nice toned arms like everyone else? Or what's going on there? So do you know the answer?

Speaker 2:

I asked her a little bit about that, like why she doesn't like calves and chest specifically. She didn't, we didn't go into too much detail on it, but she did. She just doesn't like any of the exercises that go along with them. She's I don't know something about any type of exercise that goes. I don't know about any. I mean I sure we could find some that we could implement, for sure, but she didn't. We didn't go into too much detail about that. But she, yeah, I don't know, she just doesn't like the calves, she doesn't like the chest exercise and you respect it because you know we talk a lot about the biopsychosocial model of pain.

Speaker 1:

But that approach goes into exercise, nutrition, so many different things, because she could have had a significant other in the past say, oh my God, your calves are so ugly. You know the guys can be dicks, girls can be dicks. Who knows the psychological trauma that could have happened when she was in high school or junior high and someone said something that just really scarred her and now it's just imprinted and you respect it. We have to do calves. No, I would make a joke and be like you don't want beautiful calves like mine. And if she's like, no, I don't fucking want those, I'm like, oh shit, okay, I respect that. But you know I want to learn, try to learn more, and a lot of times it could just be a psychological little issue. That happened in the past. I'm going to respect the stuff with the, with the chest, and so my program. My brain goes okay, so she likes feeling it. If a genie were to pop out of a lamp and she were to have one magical body part, what do you think she would say?

Speaker 2:

She would probably say something with the quads Okay, so she wants her quads to grow more.

Speaker 1:

Well, I think to slim down a little bit more and to slim down her hips a little bit more and then she, uh, gotcha, gotcha, gotcha. So sometimes we have that fear of you know, quadzilla, and we watch a video of a crossfitter or a power lifter and she has some jack quads and we're thinking, oh my god, I don't want to have quads like that. Um, I'm quad dominant and we had this fear, shemphasizing, the like of hinging in posterior stuff, because you can really feel it. So again, respect that and do things that are more hinge specific. When you do a CCA, you do not have to hit all patterns. So, for example, you can have all of a hinge day and compliment that with upper body if it's going to be a full body workout.

Speaker 1:

How many days a week does she want to train? Three to four, right, three to four. So I'd ask her which one, three or four, because my programming will change. If we're going to do three consecutive days, if we're going to do three non-consecutive days, if we're going to do four, I would typically do an upper lower, upper, lower and, depending on her soreness and her recoverability, women typically recover faster than men. That's why we can do more volume as well.

Speaker 1:

I am a strength coach. I coach track, triple jump, long jump, high jump those are all my favorite events. So I know the value of implementing jumping in plyometrics and I'll find out more about is she implemented any type of jumping before? Because what I would do is like a leg day, lower body emphasis and throw some abs in there, and the second day I would do upper body emphasis, but I would do plyos, have a day off and then rinse and repeat. Now I can do more of a hinge pattern on the first leg workout and the second one could be a unilateral hinge variation or squat variation.

Speaker 1:

Now I would be a little cautious of overloading too much with squats because if she has that tendency to be fearful, even though she's not going to get big and bulky, you have to respect that. You have some dipshit meathead like myself said oh, you're not going to get big and bulky, we've got to squat, we, we got to squat, we got to squat. She's thinking in the back of her head like I don't want to fucking do this, I don't want to get big and bulky. So that fear is going to one not be empathetic. But I'm not listening to what she said. So when I say, okay, this is how much it's going to cost for the session. She's like, oh, let me think about it, and then she's going to go talk to her friends or people online and they're going and she's going to essentially compare it to what I just said and it's going to be really difficult as a male in that regard.

Speaker 1:

As a girl, it's so much easier to relate to your clients. So you do want to, you want to learn and see what you can provide for their best environment. Provide for their best environment. And so she mentioned posture. I would add that in as accessory. So day one, let's focus more on hands. Because she likes it, does she hip thrust much?

Speaker 2:

Yep.

Speaker 1:

Great. I always tell people I make a little joke and I'll say you're going to pay me a lot of money for you to show me how you work out, and they kind of like, well, what do you mean? Because I know that you're going to get results from volume, frequency and intensity, so we're not lifting as hard as we potentially can or could. And that's where I come in. I'll push you a little bit more and then the accessory stuff is where I have fun trainer engagement and I get you thinking bigger before that burn. This is the person who I need to work with. So I would do, in this case, I would do your hinge first, and then you could even do like a four CA, because this is a unique situation, because she is more conditioned, she isn't in her forties, overweight, obese, she's younger, she trains regularly. So let's do four CA. So the first one, we do a hinge, followed by an ab exercise. I would incorporate those planks in there, just to challenge the notion why she doesn't like planks, because I guarantee you afterwards she's going to like them. We'll do that for three rounds. Add some weight, get involved as a trainer. That last couple of reps press down, hold for five, 10 seconds really get her posterior chain fired up. Second CA I would go into a RDL variation, into another ab exercise. Maybe we do side planks this time and then we work on abduction like a star plank. I'm going to do a poster right now and you can see those variations that are really great for hip as well as knee health, but also great for the core. We have two hinges right there. Let's do another hinge pattern. And so I'm going to do a single leg RDL variation, complement that with some bicycle kicks and do some variations that are slow, as we did in Atlanta, get the abs really fired up. And then, lastly, I'm going to do a kettlebell RDL and then I'm going to complement that with like a little game. Maybe I do a kettlebell RDL into a wall sit into some cardio jump rope maybe not jump rope because she doesn't want to grow her calves. So maybe we just run back and forth. If I'm her trainer, maybe we do some mirroring where she has to mirror me back and forth. Maybe we run around or we go and do a little sprint on a treadmill or a ski erg and do a little sprint on a treadmill or a ski erg. We make that last circuit, more metabolically conditioned Metcon is what we would call that and so we're hitting 12 solid sets in that leg workout. Remember, girls can typically handle more. She's already conditioned. See how she feels Next time she comes in.

Speaker 1:

Then I'm going to incorporate some jumping. So then I would do a CCA, with the first core movement pattern being transitional, and we're going to do a jump. Maybe we jump onto a platform, maybe we just do a vertical jump, we could do a broad jump, whatever jump you feel most confident implementing, as long as it doesn't look like fucking Tinkerbell. So we do not throw our hands behind our back and flail in the air like so many influencers. We are qualified trainers, so you load back and you explode up into the air. Find me an elite athlete who jumps like Tinkerbell. You won't, only influencers. So if you want to be a respected professional, jump like a professional and then you go into an upper body exercise. So can she do pull-ups?

Speaker 2:

I don't know. I don't think she'd be able to do a pull-up right now.

Speaker 1:

Great, I love it. So then we'll do that jump into a pull-up, into maybe a bicep or a tricep or another ab variation there. Three rounds. We can go to the second one, incorporate another set of jumps. Maybe we do lateral this time. If we did a pull, what do you think we'll do the second time? She doesn't like chest so I wouldn't do a push. I would do maybe like a landmine press variation and see how she'd do with that and then do another accessory for bi-stripe shoulders and then end off on that last one. I would do a pull into another cardio variation and then throw in another arm isolation. So I like doing the arm isolation stuff as an accessory cardio as well.

Speaker 1:

Notice how we don't do cardio in the first circuit because we don't want to take away from maximal tension on day one when we did our hip thrust. I can only imagine if you did hip thrust and do a bunch of jump rope or step ups or whatever. We're fatigued. So when we come back to round two we can't do as much weight. Your muscles are going to grow based on the amount of tension that we put on them, not confused with time under tension. Yes, we want that full range of motion. But we don't want to compromise tension and unfortunately today a lot of the classes and programming is going to compromise tension in lieu of making it harder. And harder doesn't mean better, because you could just do sprints for an hour and you would literally die. You're not going to get those amazing results still. So there you're, working out. We have a leg specific day and then we have an upper body throwing in some plyometrics and then the great thing about the cca and designing a program for a week. I would just take that first workout and then bring it into the third workout and implement the same movements within reason and then overload them. Maybe I would take the bulgarians and put those first and then move the hip thrust into the second or third circuit and then what I would do is the load would go down. So let's say she did 225 for three sets of 10 on Monday. Next time we do hip thrust, we put it at the end of a workout and we do three sets of 35 with lighter weight at 135. 35 with lighter weight at 135. And that will really get the glutes and the hamstrings all fired up. And it's still doing the pattern of the hip sorry, still doing the exercise, the hip thrust, which is a pattern of a hinge, but we're just manipulating where it goes in the program. And then, when she comes back, yes, how'd you like that? How are we feeling today? Are we sore in the right places? And then you get into the workout.

Speaker 1:

Now mobility stuff you can also incorporate. People will say mobility, people will say these terms, and I'm always kind of thinking like, did you hear that from someone? And that's why you're doing it. Maybe there's a fear-based thing Like you got to be mobile or you're going to get injured, or do you really want to learn how to become more mobile? Because I can help you with that? So then we would just take out the ab or the accessory or sorry, the isolation curl or the tricep and then put in a mobility exercise there.

Speaker 2:

Does that kind of make sense? Yeah, that makes sense. I know that she talks to me a lot about how she's super, super, super tight in her hips and I remember we did a stretching night a couple weeks ago and she woke up the next day and she had bruises on the inside of her thighs a little bit, and not crazy bruise, just a little bit. And after that she was talking to how much she wants to figure out mobility and just be more mobile down, you know, in her hips, especially so yeah.

Speaker 1:

So when she would come in, I would start out and do a solid five to seven minute PNF proprioceptive neuromuscular facilitation. Do some of those, do some you know, some of the calm, controlled articular rotation, some cars, and do some hip mobility stuff and then play around. Is it more mobility or stability? And this is the fun thing about gaining experience as the N1. So you are the expert, but you have that subject in front of you. This isn't.

Speaker 1:

This is referred to as like anecdotal evidence, but you can have her do PNF stretching one day and then you see how her hips feel the next time she comes in. Put a band on her knees, you do some bridges, you do some of those butt planks that I talked about. You do some side band walks, some hip flexions. You target the hip in the way that it wants to move. So flexion extension, ABA deduction, external, internal rotation, do some anterior-posterior tilts and then see how she feels. If she comes back and says, wow, that first day when I did the mobility stuff, it was significantly less tight. Then now you know, okay, for her doing the mobility stuff works. Maybe she were to say the hip flexions loaded with the band and the butt planks were superior for opening up her hips, well then we would go and do more stability, or what our nation likes to call activation stuff. We just need to find out. Why is her hips tight? What?

Speaker 1:

is going on there and I'd be willing to bet most of the time we just need to load up the psoas major, get those flexors to get some concentric work, but also get into different planes, because most of the time when we do exercise we're going to stick into the sagittal plane. We're just running, we're jumping, we're doing stairs, we're doing biking, etc. When you do some stuff in the frontal plane, you go side to side, add some load. A lot of times the tightness will start coming down. So we just play around with it and see what works for it.

Speaker 1:

And some people may ask well, what about stretching? Okay, if you want to stretch, stretch. But I bet you she's probably stretched before and guess what? It didn't open up her hips. So why are we going to continue to stretch? Let all right, we're going to continue to stretch. Let's try some of these drills that are really going to activate up. Now, if she had some discomfort in there, you could get into some of the soft tissue. But she's not reporting discomfort of her knee or hip, it's just tightness. So you get to experiment with this stuff yourself.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, with that, with the soft tissue stuff I was actually. I practiced on her a little bit. She has some lower back pain on and off every once in a while, um, so it was practicing on her with that one a little bit and she said that she felt relieved the next day. But that's where I'm figuring out, um, my scope of practice with that, because I do want to implement that very much when as a trainer, um, but going into that, uh, it's figuring out. I just watched your podcast that you just put out on that it was a great one on the soft tissue mobilization and heard what you said about Vincent and how he's tight, and figure out what that's not just pain. So, yeah, I'm just trying to figure out what's the scope of practice.

Speaker 1:

That's the fun part about being a trainer is you can do a lot. That's the fun part about being a trainer is you can do a lot. And your goal, your checklist, in the next three to six months, is to build that team, to work with a physical therapist shadow, learn the medical approach that they're implementing and the strategies and tools, work on building in a physical therapist Sorry, I just said that in a registered dietitian. So now your team is building and then now you have your soft tissue cert. You have your nutrition cert. Your credentials are significantly superior and different than the average trainer. The average trainer has a textbook precision nutrition or textbook NCI, whatever it is. They don't learn how to actually implement this stuff.

Speaker 1:

So the certifications that we get should level us up. Like in Mario Kart or Mario or whatever it was, you go to the next world. It's more challenging. So in our world, when you get a new or another certification or specialization, you should be charging more. So we go from 50 bucks to 70 bucks, 70 bucks to 90 bucks and that is how you can become an elite trainer. It's not all about money, but we should be paid for our services and if you're the best trainer out there. You can showcase that by getting your clients the best results, safely, helping them get out of pain and building your team. So before we call her a day, any questions for me?

Speaker 2:

With that, with the split for her um, this dca, how we're going to implement it. It's probably lower body, upper. It's, let's say, she does three days a week lower body, upper body and then lower body again, or maybe just a full body day yeah, you make that decision and there's no answer there.

Speaker 1:

I would maybe do. I can try three different ways. Stick to it for a good month, but you know lower body, upper body, see what's sore and don't train that muscle. Let the recovery happen. Now, if it's three non-consecutive days, I would do full body every time. So Monday, wednesday, friday and you could hit anywhere from 10 to as much as 12, 14 working sets, because girls can definitely handle more. And then that's where you gain that experience and you let her know and this is a conversation I had the other day with training family members and friends Set the clear expectation and work on your communication skills, not saying you don't have them, but just to set you up for success in the future. Let her know that my goal is to be charging. How much do you want to charge per hour, emma?

Speaker 2:

I would love to eventually be able to charge $100 an hour.

Speaker 1:

So that's what we have to constantly be saying. You wake up every day, go through your morning little rituals, your prayers, meditations, whatever. I'm going to be charging $100 per hour. So then, when you talk to her, you let her know to be charging $100 per hour. So then, when you talk to her, you let her know I'm going to be charging $100 per hour. I'm training you three times a week. That's $1,200. You're getting $1,200 from me, and so there needs to be some exchange, and that exchange is going to be I'm going to grab your phone during the workout. I'm going to say, kicking the shit out of what's her name and having a great workout on her social media. If you're trying to grow your booty, you're working with me. If you have hip pain, like she did or she does, you're working with me. Every single time you train her. That's what is going to be happening. And then she needs to do a testimonial, a before and after testimonial. She needs to take photos, and then you teach her how to communicate with other people. That's a big thing that trainers do not do. This is how we ask for a referral. Hey, what's your friend's name? Audrey, Audrey. So, like, maybe, if you know someone sometime like maybe, like I don't know, maybe you don't want to like, maybe refer them to me. Okay, let's get into the workout. It's not sincere, Audrey. My goal is I want to have 30 sessions per week at a hundred dollars. I'm going to be growing my business. I'm going to open up my own gym in 2026. This is my vision. It's going to happen.

Speaker 1:

When you talk to people and they mention fitness, the first thing you say is oh my God, are you training with Emma? And they're going to be like who the hell is Emma? She's the best trainer in the area. Here's her Instagram. Here's her business card. You need to reach out to her and let her know that Audrey sent you. Here's her business card. You need to reach out to her and let her know that Audrey sent you. And so now she understands. Oh, that's how I communicate. You go to the bar, you go to a club, whatever it is. You tell people that you are working with the best trainer. She is a walking talking advertisement for you. And we're still going to be buddies at the end of next year, the end of 10 years. But I want it to be very clear that after X amount of time, if you don't give me a referral, I'm not going to continue to train you. You need to be very, very crystal clear on how you communicate with them.

Speaker 2:

Anything else, emma, I want to say I think that that helps a lot, especially with figuring out what I want to program her for. So she can be kind of my quote-unquote first client and these prospects that um I'll be hopefully talking to first week of um december might shoot you a couple questions, who knows, but that's weird.

Speaker 1:

So we'll get this together on Instagram and we will help you build that business. So you're charging a hundred bucks, like you want to do.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I appreciate it. I really appreciate you having me on the podcast and being able to talk to you again.

Speaker 1:

We thank you and, what's the most important thing, emma, show up, keep on showing up.

Speaker 2:

All right, have a good one, see ya, you too. Bye-bye.