Let's Chat with Will & Tony
Let's Chat with Will & Tony
"Grit", the Key to Success!: SEG 1 of 2: The Role of Faith in Fortifying Grit Against Life’s Challenges
As I, Tony Peck, joined forces with Will Kesley to share heartfelt insights, we found ourselves delving into the transformative power of grit and faith. We navigate through the intricacies of a listener's poignant struggle with her son's premature return from his mission and the crossroads they face. Is he ready to re-enter the fray? Our conversation becomes a treasure trove of strategies for anyone bracing to recommit to arduous life journeys, emphasizing the indispensable role of tough love and the wisdom of stepping away from our screens to assess our preparedness for the challenges ahead.
Through the lens of personal conviction, this episode illuminates the intersection between faith and fortitude, especially within the LDS community. I share from my own reservoir of experiences, revealing the profound influence that personal sacrifice and true ownership of one's path can have in bolstering perseverance. We discuss the crucial act of aligning religious practice with one's own beliefs, an endeavor that not only strengthens spiritual foundations but also girds us against life's inevitable storms.
We wrap up with a frank discussion about the principles of brain functioning and the role of spirituality in managing life's adversities. Touching on the delicate balance between the physiological aspects of the brain and the essence of self, we explore how the understanding of our brain can reshape our approach to challenges. The episode journeys into the transformative potential of grit—be it on a personal mission, professional endeavor, or any undertaking demanding resilience—and how the embrace of tough love can catalyze growth and the capacity to endure. Join us as we share these narratives, packed with guidance and personal anecdotes, encouraging you to muster the courage needed to face life's trials with determination and grace.
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Speaker 2:Let's chat with Will and Tony on News Talk 1079.
Speaker 1:Now here's Will Kesley and Tony Peck. Well, welcome back to the show. I like to say it's been a week, yeah, it's been a little while Been a little while huh. Yeah, what do you do all week? What do I do? I go to work.
Speaker 2:I work my finger to the bone.
Speaker 1:I wish everyone could see in radio. He says Tony, he looked at me like you kidding me.
Speaker 2:What do I do? What do I do Actually, half the time I wonder the same thing, do you?
Speaker 1:Yeah, welcome to the show. It's called let's.
Speaker 2:Chat with Will and Tony. I'm Will.
Speaker 1:Kesley, and I'm Tony Peck, licensed counselor, neurotherapist Tony, a life coach and corporate leader.
Speaker 2:I don't know what else are you.
Speaker 1:I coach things. You coach, you're a coach, I'm a coach. I think everybody ought to be a coach. I got to coach the Little League, coach football. My kids were all younger. It was a great way to be connected with them.
Speaker 2:I tell you, the time I spent on the field with my kids has been awesome. And all the other kids you know I go to any almost any if sporting event and I have tons of kids coach, back, coach. Hey, how's it going? What's up? I have kids calling me from college wanting advice, all that kind of stuff. Well, if you'd like to join the show 607-414-CHAT 607-414-CHAT.
Speaker 1:Or you can email us at let letschatwithwillantoni At gmailcom Gmailcom. Yeah, we better start with a letter today, shall we? Okay, we have a theme going on here with letters. Let's just read one of these and that'll kind of lead us into our theme. What she says is Dear Will and Tony love your show.
Speaker 2:Thanks, hey, that's great yeah, it's always better.
Speaker 1:Your show really stinks, I hate your show, but I'm going to give my opinion. I'd like to send you a letter. Oh, this is kind of on a religious basis. She says I have a son who went on a mission for his church.
Speaker 2:Probably what? Church of Jesus Christ. Church of Jesus Christ. I was already saying something.
Speaker 1:Because he was a kid so 18, 19 years old and says he went out great attitude, loves the Lord, loves what he was doing. But he got out after a couple of months and he's come home. He said it was too hard, it wasn't what he thought it was going to be as far as all the energy and effort it took. Now that he's home he wishes he had stayed. I'm not sure he's ready to go back. What advice would you give me? That's a tough one. He's had to go do something hard, which, by the way, is part of what we're going to talk about today. We're going to talk about hard things and doing hard things and how to be successful at hard things. So if you've got anybody in your family that's struggling with this hard things or has had a struggle, this may be a show for them. So tell them what's your first advice for her sending it back out? What would you say?
Speaker 2:all right. Well, I would say, you know, barring mental illness, right?
Speaker 1:I mean, there's right which is different than having some things. Well, I shouldn't say it's different. Having some anxiety, having some depression, having some homesickness isn't mental illness, correct, it's a mental condition.
Speaker 2:So, but it's not a mental illness so barring that I mean there's there's certain circumstances where clearly you need some professional help. You know psychology, that type of thing. So aside from that, if you're a normal healthy kid.
Speaker 1:Let me clarify just real quick. I know somebody just said wait, wait, wait, my son's got depression. That's a mental illness. According to the DSM in psychology, it's a mental illness. I'm trying to bridge behind things that are more manageable, more cognitive, more other things than things like schizophrenia or bipolar or borderline personality disorder. These are heavy delusional hallucinations. These are mental illnesses of the brain not working and functioning. These other ones are conditions we can work with. I understand they're all called the same thing, but just know there's a big, big, big big difference. Yes, when you're talking about the patient, Perfect, go ahead.
Speaker 2:Sorry. So that disclaimer aside, thank you. We get in a little tough love, right, yep tough love.
Speaker 2:I would tell the, you know, first off I would, when I've had similar circumstances, you know, come in my life and kids ask me advice of this type of nature, I talked to him about okay, well, let's, let's do a couple tests, see where you are. So I would talk to this, uh, this sweet mother out there that's worried about her son. I would do a couple tests with the son. I'd say, all right, uh, let's go without a phone for a month.
Speaker 2:Disconnect the phone, disconnect the thing. Let's, let's try that for a month detox off your phone.
Speaker 1:Let's see how you feel about that. Yes, I'm gonna bet you something. Okay, I bet he goes into the shakes maybe so right I'll bet you does because um from my understanding on a, on an lds mission or a Church of Jesus Christ mission.
Speaker 2:You don't have a phone or you have a phone but it's shared.
Speaker 1:It's not playing on social media. You're not video games or any of that kind of stuff. Watching YouTube videos.
Speaker 2:So this is difficult. You come from a typical youth of today whose their phone is their life and their communication, their connection to the rest of the world and coming off that can be a difficult thing. So I would, I would do that test, do a, you know, one month, phone fast, can he?
Speaker 1:handle it. Let me I may add something, and I think one of the first questions I'd bring up to him is do they want to go back, like she said? She said in the letter he'd like to go back. I'm not sure he's ready. What do you mean to go back? He now knows what it's like. He now knows. You know, you don't have your friends there, you don't have your girlfriend there, you don't have your cell phone there, you don't have all your coping mechanisms intact but he's got to want to.
Speaker 1:This is something he's got to want to do. It can't be because mommy says so. He's got to have an own testimony of why he's going and what he wants to do to serve God.
Speaker 2:Well, I think, I think that's a great point because, end of the day, if you, if you really believe, when you, when you get down to any person's core value, if it boils down to somebody's core value, you find a lot of grit down there where somebody knocks up against somebody's core value, and that's where you get a lot of pushback and they won't move any further because it's our core value right.
Speaker 2:Similar to this. You know, going out on on this mission, right, if it is their core value, right. Similar to this you know going out on this mission, right, if it is a core belief and a core value that they want to go do for them. You find that they stay and they want to go do it and they're there. Nothing will peel them away. You know they have a broken knee. You know busted in face and they're like no, don't take me home because I want.
Speaker 2:You know they want to stay because it's deep, it's a deep belief, it's something that's driving them.
Speaker 1:No, there's some real reasons to come home and there's some real medical mental issues on why to come home.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:That's not what we're talking about.
Speaker 2:We're talking about somebody went out.
Speaker 1:According to this looks like basically, she's saying he it, I couldn't hack it. That means a lot of things to me. So one of the things I would ask in this kind of a particular situation is I know within the culture, uh, it's understood that it's it's, it's looked up upon. If you go on a mission, right, the young man is like, hey, you want a mission, that's great. I mean, they cheer people on to go on on these missions.
Speaker 1:And with then you have to first moms and dads, find out if the child this case is committed to going on a mission, or if he's going because he knows you expect him to go, which is not wrong, but does he have in his own heart a reason to go? And now the question is if you have one that's preparing to go, what are they doing to prepare to go? If you're seeing no signs of anything changing in their life before they go, what are they doing to prepare to go? If you're seeing no signs of anything changing in their life before they go? Like they're not going to do as much social media, they're not going to sit and play video games all day. They're going to work to earn money to pay for their way to go. If they're not doing these things, they're not ready. I don't think they are committed to going. They're going because it's a free lunch. Mom and dad are paying for it, and hey that's what I'm supposed to do.
Speaker 2:I'm going on vacation. That's a broad opinion I'm saying, and I understand that, but it does have to be evaluated. I think your opinion's valid right. I mean end of the day, so often there. How many times do you know in a religious community somebody's going?
Speaker 1:because that's just what you do in my family I go to church, and this can be with any organization that does something special religiously.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so are they just showing up? Because that's what y'all do. You all go to church on Sunday, and that's what my family's always done.
Speaker 2:So, I'm going to hold up family things, or do you have a core belief and that's why you're going to? You know, that's why you're going to church. You know, for example, my kids, all my kids. You know I'm in this same culture, right, and all my kids as leading up to their missions, I tell them straight up I said you will not go. Please, beg you, do not go. If you think you're going for me, or if you think you're going for your mom, or you think you're going because you know, the pastor said, yeah, you want to go, right, do not go. It's not worth it. It's two years of your life and it's not worth it unless you deeply believe, because that deep core belief is what I believe gives you the grit to make it through. It's a tough deal right.
Speaker 1:So tony and I, we both have children that have gone on LDS missions.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:I have five children that have gone. You've had a couple that have gone.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I have two that are gone.
Speaker 1:One that's out. So I have a bit of experience with watching this work with each one of them. I will tell you that all of my children, about two years before they went, started asking a lot of scriptural questions and a lot of doctrinal questions right.
Speaker 1:They started thinking a little harder about what do I believe in and I know mom and dad believe this. Do I believe this, and where am I at with that belief? That is a good sign that they're digging in to find out do I have faith in this, do I? And so they would start digging deeper, and there were times they would come and say I don't know if I understand this, I don't understand this, and we would ask them to go back and find their own place of personal prayer and to fast, and other things they could do to try to find the answer. The point I want to make there, though, is that they were passionate about getting to something bigger and learning something bigger, and that, to us, was a sign they're getting ready, emotionally and mentally, to go do yeah, to be able to handle it, to be able to handle it, yeah. I will tell you one other thing. We got to take a break here just a minute, but one other thing we did as a family and I know this isn't the same for everybody, but it was a very special thing that happened to me.
Speaker 1:I'm a convert to the faith, and so my family didn't grow up in that culture? We didn't. That was not my point in my life. I decided to go. Yeah, you came after you'd kind of your formative years and for those that podcasts and stuff, lds missionaries, they pay their own way. Yeah Well, my mom and dad my dad was sick. My mom was working several jobs to pay for all that kind of stuff. We had zero money for me to go on a mission. And it was a good Bishop of my, of my ward at college who came to me and said I'd like to go on a mission. I'm like, yeah, I don't have the money to go on a mission.
Speaker 1:You know you have to put that money away and he said to me that there's people that could help you do that. That felt wrong for me. I thought, no, you know what, this was my responsibility. I've just kind of shirked it, I didn't put the effort in. And he said then young man, go home and find your knees and ask God for help. The greatest counsel I ever got was that simple counsel, because I did. I went home that day with a bit of a broken heart because I realized in my own heart I had really kind of failed the work on this.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you kind of Right. Yeah, I'm with you. I went home side of my bed at college and I bawled my eyes out. I was so brokenhearted and I pleaded with God.
Speaker 1:I said here's the deal If you'll help me earn my way to go on a mission, because I can't ask my parents for this and I'm not asking for help from something I should have done. I will save every penny this day forward until I have enough money to go on a mission that changed my world, Literally three days following that, I get a phone call from a guy offering me full-time work. I don't know her. Full-time work. I'm like are you kidding me? I'll take it, Right. And so I took it. I worked there three days and a guy where I was working called me up and said why did you go work over there? And I'm like cause they offered me this full time job.
Speaker 2:I need you to work over here for more money.
Speaker 1:And so he did. He goes, we'll come back here, we'll give you more hours, more money. I'm like you're kidding me, right? So, with that being said, you need to know that. I saw that special thing happen in the work I had to put in to go. Well, yeah, that's the point, right, right, I didn't get a free ride out there, I had to work for it to go, but that's what made it so special for me.
Speaker 2:So when you were out there and I know a little bit about your circumstance when it got tough, was that a difference? When you look back and said, no, I paid my way to be here, I tough, Was that a difference?
Speaker 1:when you look back and said no, I paid my way to be here, I wanted to be here. Keep in mind my dad died just two months before I left on a mission. How hard that was to learn to grieve when you're in Thailand by yourself.
Speaker 2:Exactly that's the grit that we're talking about. Right, it has to be for you.
Speaker 1:So we come back. I'm going to talk about some things of grit. We've been using that word, word, I think doing hard things. I can tell you science is pretty clear on this one. It's not about tough love, it's about what grit you've got, and we're going to explain what that means. Yeah, we're going to get in a little more, because I think this is so important for so many aspects of life.
Speaker 2:I mean, we've been talking about this listener's son, who came home from mission and had some stuff. This fits everything. This fits everything. You name the trial that you're going to experience in life and what we're going to talk about next.
Speaker 1:Grit Grit and not talking grits, that's a food. All right, back in two. So let's chat with Will and Tony. Check out our podcast on all your favorite podcast locations and, of course, check out our show each Saturday on News Talk 107.9 and Sunday replays at 6 am on Newstalk 107.9. Back in two. Common Sense Advice for Life. Let's chat Now. Here's Will Kesley and Tony Peck. Okay, welcome back to the show, will Kesley.
Speaker 1:Here we are, my buddy, tony, and we are talking about grit Grit and we got a letter. We got several of these letters actually it's been kind of interesting Of kids that are going off to college. In this case we took this one of a young man that went on a mission for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and, although it looks from all indications letter, full believer was doing it all the right way, got out there and found, as she said, he just couldn't hack it. It was too hard, yeah, and she said so. But now he's home, he realizes his mistake, he wants to go back out. She's not sure he understands and is ready to do that. What advice would we give her? And part of our advice was that, first of all, it starts with he has to go. She says he wants to go, but now you've got to put that to the test.
Speaker 1:He knows what it's going to take, but what's he willing to do now?
Speaker 2:Yeah, put the grit to the test prior to sending them back out. The last thing you want to do is send them back out and have them come back home.
Speaker 1:Come back home again. That double failure is wicked killer, yes, but some of the things we would suggest are things like start changing things that you do in your normal life for coping. Now I want to use this as an example. We talk a lot about tech here. I will tell you, the cell phone has become a menace, menace To people's ability to cope and to communicate Well. It becomes their binky, it's their binky. And so one of the first things I would suggest is okay, if you want to do that, let's see some commitments to stay off the phone Boom.
Speaker 1:Some commitments to stay off the phone, boom okay. But now that doesn't mean we, we, you know, like I said, we don't say films are evil. What we're saying is you got to learn to control that. But what I want to see is put the phone down and let's see how your emotions are.
Speaker 2:Yeah, let's see how you handle your emotions after and we're not a week we're not being crazy.
Speaker 1:You know one week put the phone down for a week, but a week from now, I want to know what jitters you had. I want to know how angry they got. I want to know how angry they got. I want to know how much overeating they did. I want to know how much sleep they didn't get, because this will tell you, or?
Speaker 2:sleeping or oversleeping Right? Did they have to go into full coping mode because they didn't have their phone?
Speaker 1:In fact, any kid I'd have that was going on a mission right now. I would say six months before they go, we start detoxing off the phone where it's not even a part of their life.
Speaker 2:Interesting enough Because.
Speaker 1:I've got to figure out whether they have the coping skills ready to go out there that aren't being binkied by the phone.
Speaker 2:So in the first segment you talked about that change. You see natural change in somebody who's really committed to go. Yeah, my son, who's currently out right now, he did that about. It was about a year before his mission. Yeah, he started changing. We didn't ask him to.
Speaker 1:We just started changing.
Speaker 2:He weaned himself off video games. He started changing. He weaned himself off video games, he got more involved in his sporting events, he got more committed to practicing and all these different changes in his life.
Speaker 1:I know your son he started doing different things.
Speaker 2:He was like a different person.
Speaker 1:He was also getting committed to doing service for other people. Kindness, kindness to other people, all those different things.
Speaker 2:He started changing, he started doing different stuff.
Speaker 1:And it was a great sign, right, so I 100 endorse what you're talking about is there's things you can. You can, you can test this right and they can prove. That's one. I would take them off video games, even a lot movie runs I don't know if they've got a girlfriend, what that timing is like, all of this kind of thing. They have to show they reduce that and they can manage it. People say, why would you? Because you're preparing to go become a disciple of Jesus Christ, you're not going out to be a tourist.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're not going out there to learn another culture or another language. That's a benefit, right? Sometimes. But, you know end of the day. You got to decide. Are you really committed? And you'll, you'll see that it's like you talked about with the earning the money. Right, I mean, that's another way to do it. It says, okay, well, if you really want to go earn your money.
Speaker 1:So one of the things I was going to pass on, I learned this great gift for the break. We talked about my own life. Yeah, I watched the hand of God walk into my life and do things I had no idea. Literally four days I went into what's called theowin on mission. Four days after I got my last paycheck, of which I deposited in my bank 100% of all the money I needed to pay for my own mission Whoa, which is like 10 grand Right. And that only happened because I saw the hand of God in my life. That was the first major testimony to a new convert's heart that I had to make me understand. God knew who I was and would support me in doing righteous things. So when my family came along, we certainly had the means to pay for every one of our kids' missions. Yeah, we paid for none of them because you want to have that same experience.
Speaker 1:Kids knew that growing up. If you want to go on a mission, we'd love for you to go on one, but you have to earn them and they're like well, we go at 18, we're at school. How do we have a? How do we? You know what? Every one of my kids have earned 100% of their mission awesome now and that's not to say my kids are great.
Speaker 2:It's just, that was the, that's what was expected of them well and not to say that's the only way to test commitment and to test what we're talking about either. I mean, there's lots, of, lots of ways to do it, but the thing I think there's a principle we've talked about time in time out is too often these days, parents want to take away from their kids the exact experiences that gave them the grit to get through life.
Speaker 1:Yeah. And it drives me crazy because you know or they want to hide them from any hardship.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they wonder why their kids can't handle hard things and tough stuff when they've sheltered them and protected them from everything. It's like we are always laughing about the blue ribbon for everybody who plays Right. There's a point to sports and losing and realizing, wow, that didn't feel good. I want to work harder to know to overcome that it. You know, I was down at state wrestling finals this this last week.
Speaker 2:My kid made it to state. It was a cool thing. He got picked to go to state and great well, comes down. You know he's wrestling this match and he's up seven to nothing and he gets stuck and gets pinned and and boom, it was his last chance he's out of the state tournament. That is a tough thing to go through. I mean, I watched and as a parent it hurts. You watch him. It was tough, right, you know it was hard, you know and there's a missed expectation and all the things tough. But I watched my kid have some hard emotions, take a deep breath and then go live the next day and figure it out what happens with that.
Speaker 1:We all have regrets in our life at some form. I have some over football in high school. Okay, now if somebody had just given me the free ride and, hey, you're the great end of it. You know, having some tough things have. I made one mistake one time in front of the coach and it got me pulled and I've hated that. That one thing could have changed everything for me. And yet what it did for me later in life even though it kind of draws me inside my soul is it gave me this idea that I went later in my life when I had a chance of having some reasons to quit. Yeah, I went back to all the times I'd given my half and had quit and how I hated it. I hated the outcome of it.
Speaker 2:And at some point.
Speaker 1:It gave me grit. You hate the feeling of like oh.
Speaker 2:I don't want to do that.
Speaker 1:So somebody could have protected me from that, but then I never had the strength and some real things that mattered later in life. Now let's talk about grit.
Speaker 2:Let's talk Tell me the science behind it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the science behind it. Why do I use the word grit? It's getting pretty clear that there's lots. We look at people and say, well, you know, if you have a high IQ, well, nope, iq means nothing in your success in life. By the way, there's very, very little evidence that says IQ in academia does a thing for your success.
Speaker 2:I know a lot of very successful low IQ iq people exactly exactly right, they're on the, they're on youtube videos all the time.
Speaker 1:You can make a bank on being stupid. So, um, we want to kind of discharge some of this kind of stuff. We used to say that social cues having good social cues made you successful. That's true. Having um can't hurt, right. It can't hurt, right, uh, being good looking. Certainly people that are good looking get doors open for them easily it doesn't measure their ability to succeed, though, which is interesting. The door opens, but then they fail going through it.
Speaker 2:I like that. I like that analogy the door opens, fail going through it and it's interesting. I think I can guess where you're going. The people that have that resiliency and that determination and that I will not quit until I get to where I want to go are the ones that are successful, that have grit and so that means to get grit.
Speaker 1:you've got to first of all have some hurt that you never want to have again. That gives you tough. You have to have some tough things that happen to you. There's a sales organization I was doing some consulting for the top salespeople. When we evaluated them all the top salespeople all had something in their life that gave them grit. Like we had a gentleman who'd lost his wife and his kids in a car accident. Ah right, all of them had this major event in their life that they plowed through and like that's the one thing we could measure that showed they're more successful. By the way, we've put the same study against social economics. Poor kids versus rich kids did not change their ability to succeed. One may have opened up some more doors easily for them, but their success level did not change Exactly and you see that all the time.
Speaker 2:You see some kids like take Rafa Nadal right, famous tennis player, amazing champions, won you know who knows how many majors right, I didn't know this before, but he comes from his dad's like a gazillionaire. You know, it's like super rich individual and you would. You know, a lot of times it's the old, you know stereotype of oh, the rich kid doesn't have any drive. Well, rafa Nadal has drive and yeah, his parents were wildly rich, but he has more determination and more guts and grit than probably most sports people I've had experience be around.
Speaker 1:We said kids come out of all kinds of different kinds of homes.
Speaker 2:But then you got the kid who's poor as poor and pulls himself by the bootstraps and makes it there anyway, because he had grit, because they have grit. Both of them are the same.
Speaker 1:Let me dig a little deeper into what we learned about grit. There's a great study out of Stanford University that they kind of show this grit concept, which was they measured grit based on a person's ability to cope with the trial that was coming. A person's ability to cope with the trial that was coming, meaning this that, for example, one of them they used was the more the people understood about how their mind worked and how the brain works, the more grit they had and they thought that was interesting, they could test people and say the one thing they could pull from evidence wasn't their money, wasn't their schooling, it was that they had this understanding of life and an understanding of their brain.
Speaker 1:And the reason that turns into grit is this when you have tough things that happen to you, there comes a time and I know this a lot from psychology and I do a lot with EEGs we look at brainwave activity and things of that nature Something special happens when you can separate between your soul and your organ, like the organ of the brain. The organ of the brain. Okay, so people go, people go. Well, my brain so you think you do things because it's your soul and I, I chose that.
Speaker 2:I wanted this and I not necessarily like I'm an evil person for making that choice type of thing.
Speaker 1:Exactly careful with that your organ does a lot more to control who you are and what you do than you think it does now the goal is to get more control over that. Yeah, right, but Right, but the idea being, for example, when you sleep at night, can you just decide you want to make your heart stop?
Speaker 2:No no.
Speaker 1:You don't have control over it. No control Right. You can wish it all you want. You can will it all you want. When people become addicted which is different than abuse, let's say of chemicals they're drug addicted. The difference between abusing a is the brain takes over and says now we're in charge.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we want that and we're going to make you do it, regardless of what you think. The brain loses conscious ability to do it. We see it with people with anorexia. Right, you just put food in your mouth and just eat. It's not that hard. Just do it. They can't. The mind and the body will not allow you to take in food consumption. Okay, so there's a special place when somebody understands that there's certain things I have control over, certain things my mind are doing to me and I can separate my soul from my organ, Meaning that when I go let's say, this young man goes back on a mission he has anxiety issues again. He has to then understand is that my soul having that anxiety or is that just my organ providing? Yeah, Is that the brain?
Speaker 2:just providing me a signal Right, and I'm going to fight my way through it.
Speaker 1:That actually out of Stanford was the number one reason people learned to cope stronger, that they had this idea and understanding there's a separation between these things. The next one was to understand there's a God and a power of God.
Speaker 2:That reminds me of AA people who actually get clean and get sober Alcoholics Anonymous. That's one of the steps is to Recognize a higher power is to recognize a higher power in your life, because what that does?
Speaker 1:it allows you to have a place where you understand that some things just are and they're not for you to really have to worry about, and some things will be made right that you don't have to worry about, and that there's a place for forgiveness.
Speaker 2:It's like a letting go.
Speaker 1:Yes, there's a place for forgiveness and letting go. And so, within those principles, I'd ask this young man who's come back from his mission where does he stand on the atonement of Jesus Christ? What's his understanding of that? Does he understand he cannot?
Speaker 2:fail.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he can experience, he can experience all day long and learn from experience which gives you grit. Yeah, but he's not going to fail, so fearing the failure shouldn't have to exist.
Speaker 2:I like that. Now you reminded me of a time. Well, you got the music going.
Speaker 1:Mr Producer, turn it up, no man.
Speaker 2:All right, we're going to have a hard break, yeah got to go to the news break, all right. I got something for you coming back.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're going to tease me on it A story about grit.
Speaker 2:Grit, yeah, grit is in the professional world.
Speaker 1:Okay, tony, and his grit is coming up. A grit story here we go. So we're talking about how to get a little harder into life, how to deal with tough things, some things you ought to get rid of, or test yourself by getting rid of in your life to determine if you're ready for something difficult or better, or greater.
Speaker 2:Yes, right, we're talking about succeeding in life, and succeeding in life takes grit it does no matter who you are. We all live a mortal experience. All part of the journey Takes a little grit.
Speaker 1:All right, got to take a quick break and come back. We're going to get into Tony's grit and we're going to find out about tough love, tough love. What does that do, and is it even any good?
Speaker 2:It's an interesting.