The Vision Club
SWIMMING IN DEEP WATERS + the art of tinkering with Jen Gray
Ready to dive into the depths of our daily lives? This episode nudges you to find joy in the comfortable, the cozy, and the organized - yes, we're talking about everything from sweatshorts to silverware organizers! But it doesn't stop there. We also delve into the gritty aspects of mental health, navigating big commitments, and the value of friendships across generations.
Ever thought about how personal aesthetics influence your life? We bring in the lessons from OG skater Rob Giordic on optimizing life and how aesthetics are integral to our pursuit of balance and peace. We invite you to join our chat on the power of change and reinvention, and see how these concepts can morph into acts of self-love. We also lift the veil on the often unaddressed challenges and rewards of embracing change and flexibility.
As we round off our discussion, we muse about the dual power of gratitude and food textures. You'll hear about our first-hand experiences with the transformative impact of nourishing our bodies with healthy snacks. Finally, we introduce you to the concept of percentages in life, a unique approach to identify the focus areas of our lives. Discover how playing with these percentages can translate to personal growth and evolution. Tune in for an episode that promises laughter, insights, and lessons for life.
Follow Jen on Instagram!
@byjengray
and listen to her Podcast | The Corporate Cleanse
@the.corporatecleanse
Apple/Spotify
Ready to dive into the depths of our daily lives? This episode nudges you to find joy in the comfortable, the cozy, and the organized - yes, we're talking about everything from sweatshorts to silverware organizers! But it doesn't stop there. We also delve into the gritty aspects of mental health, navigating big commitments, and the value of friendships across generations.
Ever thought about how personal aesthetics influence your life? We bring in the lessons from OG skater Rob Giordic on optimizing life and how aesthetics are integral to our pursuit of balance and peace. We invite you to join our chat on the power of change and reinvention, and see how these concepts can morph into acts of self-love. We also lift the veil on the often unaddressed challenges and rewards of embracing change and flexibility.
As we round off our discussion, we muse about the dual power of gratitude and food textures. You'll hear about our first-hand experiences with the transformative impact of nourishing our bodies with healthy snacks. Finally, we introduce you to the concept of percentages in life, a unique approach to identify the focus areas of our lives. Discover how playing with these percentages can translate to personal growth and evolution. Tune in for an episode that promises laughter, insights, and lessons for life.
Follow Jen on Instagram!
@byjengray
and listen to her Podcast | The Corporate Cleanse
@the.corporatecleanse
Apple/Spotify
So I'm going to the point now. So I have a couple interviews today after this. So I got ready, okay, and did some things nice, but my husband's gone to the point now where, if I am wearing literally any clothes like that aren't sweatshirts and a tank top. He was like, wow, you look so nice today and I'm like, oh, my god, stop it. What have I done? So I'm like so I just wear the same pair of like grubby sweatshorts and this like this tank top it's a rithya tank top which like was like $25 but.
Speaker 2:If.
Speaker 1:I could break it down by wear.
Speaker 2:It has cost me pennies oh, oh, but the right that you wear it because I just wear it every day what is that called? Is it called um operating cost or something, or like depreciation? It has only appreciated it costs.
Speaker 1:Appreciate it's appreciated because of how much I've worn it and does it um. As you wear it, does it get like nicer, like there's some clothes that you like, that yeah, but it's definitely got like stuff on it, you know like, like, a little like the beads.
Speaker 2:It beads a little bit under the armpits and also.
Speaker 1:I think it has some nail polish on it because I was like trying to take it off.
Speaker 2:I mean it's just, it's mine now it's personalized um, there's a lot of the clothes that have that have become mine perhaps, like t and a socks t and a socks right now, me too. I don't think we have to put it in opposite cameras.
Speaker 1:I almost wear my ankle ones.
Speaker 2:I almost wear the short ankle ones but I couldn't find them and also, okay, it's too hot.
Speaker 1:I get a little claustrophobic where I'm like, ah, it's too hot, oh with ankles yeah interesting.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, I'm like cover up my whole leg, like can you just cover? Like can we just make a t and a? That's up to here.
Speaker 1:That would be nice if you're well can you make a long.
Speaker 2:It's because I never shave my damn legs, ever like, if you're looking right now that they're, my hair is glistening in the light. At the moment I'm just overhead light. Yeah, glistening, I mean same. Um, yeah, well, so that's why I wear ankle socks, because I'm like, but here's, here's my idea, with t and a socks. Um, if you're a fan, actually your, it's your sponsor, this episode, because there's a lot of eritstha going on here is a lot. I think this is an eritstha tank if I'm not.
Speaker 2:Is it the careless tank? Yeah, I think it. Could I just buy an add to cart and then I after pay it.
Speaker 1:Show me your shoulder. Oh no, it's different, it's a little wider.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, so, but so a lot of eritstha love. But here's my thing with the t and a socks when they become mine, I don't like them anymore. I, I, I would buy t and a socks weekly to have the fresh, just to have the fresh sock, and the white and the the, the comfort, um yeah and like I'm really, bad at socks. Yeah, I'm really bad the fancy.
Speaker 1:I just discovered this year upgrading my socks, because I was in New York with my husband for a wedding and I got a little drunk and so we got home. He was like helping me take off my boots and. I had like janky ass, like hains that were like gross, and he was like Jen. He was like you're such a classy lady why are your socks so terrible? And so I finally made the plunge and got t and a socks. Yeah, I could feel.
Speaker 2:Yeah, classier, classy yeah, yeah, and cleaner yeah clean girl that's my clean girl said it just my t and a socks.
Speaker 2:Oh, my god, that is so hain socks. I I actually there. I do have a rotating pair of hain socks in my laundry cycle right now and I never wear them. Typically. What happens is I, I, they go into my laundry um pile, yep, they get washed, and then every time they come up in me fully my laundry, I put them in the dirty clothes pile every time and I can't seem to break the cycle and so I just have like a looming pair of hain socks constantly. It's almost like they're haunting me a little bit, just drool, drooled, but it's self-imposed because you look at them and you're like well, these aren't clean?
Speaker 2:no, because every time never seen them clean? Ever because they aren't. They're hain socks.
Speaker 1:You could wash them eight times in a row and they would still probably hold on to quite a bit of grime, just because of the material it feels like a safety blanket for you, where you're just like oh, I'm just gonna clean these socks and you just put them away out of sight, out of mind, they're gonna get clean maybe it's like a stress disorder yeah, yeah, it sounds like like a coping mechanism totally.
Speaker 2:I don't know what I'm, I don't know what emotions are being coped with with the hain socks, but I'm, I'll work on it. You know what I'm gonna go home and look inward.
Speaker 1:I feel like there are worse things than this pair of hain socks that just is constantly in the wash cycle.
Speaker 2:Like they're worse things oh yeah, there could be another bad thing about my home. I thought that, not that that was the topic we were trying to go into.
Speaker 2:I didn't make no, yeah well I just bought a silverware organizer drawer just barely just now. So I moved into my new house in January. Wait, was your silverware just loose in the drawer? So well, I, okay, I had one like bin. It was like a pencil bin, you know that you would normally have in a desk drawer, okay, and I was using that for my silverware. I'm mortified. I'm mortified. I had floating straws and floating cutting knives and, like my, my measuring cups just in there. Listen, jen Jen speech. I need you to know something too when I got this new job, that's when I bought this, that's when I bought the organizer.
Speaker 1:You were like things are looking up.
Speaker 2:My life was in shambles. I didn't feel worthy of a silverware.
Speaker 1:organizing organizers so literally every human in the on the planet has a silver organizer. Like it's not everyone, yeah, kind of gross, sometimes like full of crumbs, but like totally, you just didn't have one.
Speaker 2:No, I didn't feel worthy of it. Oh, that was the state of my life at the time working as an entrepreneur. Amazon. Um, no, I was actually at Smith's marketplace and I was buying creamer or something. I can't even remember. I Smith's marketplace is a really interesting place. Um, there's like jewelry. Yeah, it's like everything, everything it just feels, uh, I I actually don't really know how to describe a Smith's marketplace. It's odd If you is it a Utah thing, someone tell us someone.
Speaker 1:Let me know I'm a Utah girly.
Speaker 2:I don't know. Drop a comment. Drop a review.
Speaker 1:Our Smith's marketplace is everywhere. Yeah, are they just? Here, what, what, what with your head? You got your creamer and you were like I deserve this.
Speaker 2:Well, actually I remember just walking near the silverware aisle because we needed new, we just needed more silverware, because when we moved in we only had like three forks, three spoons, like one knife, because it only came. It was really bad. So I was like, let me just go buy some more. And so I bought a new pack of silverware and almost didn't get an organizing tray for it. But then I was like, oh, treat yourself, you know what. It's time for a tray. So I finally bought one and it was a bamboo one.
Speaker 1:But I got the one on sale for like $10.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so it might break in the next month, but but you feel worthy of it. That's what matters. I feel worthy of it. Org silverware organizing tray now. So big things, big things, big movement, big movements. Yes, big moves, big movements. Yeah, so lots going on. Yeah, no, it's been really good. Um, how are you, jen? I haven't even introduced you yet, oh it's okay, people shouldn't, it's fine.
Speaker 1:They're like who's this random person, who is this?
Speaker 2:Yeah, this is Jen Gray, voice two, um, voice two of the pod. So, uh, if you're new here, this is technically my first guest on the Deep and Unhinged. Like the rebranded version of Deep and Unhinged the better version, if you will, the the I'm putting more effort into this version now, and so Jen's the first guest. I'm so flattered. Her full name is Jen Gray. That is my name, um, she is an amazing human being, one of my favorite people that I have met in my later years of my twenties. Later, I'm only 22.
Speaker 2:My, my, let's just say let's call it my part, like my part two of my early 20s.
Speaker 1:Okay, let's, let's call it that. Okay, it's definitely not your later 20s.
Speaker 2:No, the rebrand of my early 20s. Okay, how about that?
Speaker 1:You were so solidly early 20s.
Speaker 2:Very solidly.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:There are days that I go to bed thinking I'm 35.
Speaker 1:I'm 35.
Speaker 2:And and let me tell you the reason, it's because I feel like I've lived so many lives that at this point I'm like no, I'm definitely 35. I, I definitely should have at least two kids by now. A 401k, a 401, I should have a 401k.
Speaker 1:But you're still 22. 22.
Speaker 2:But I'm still 22. Swifty's, where I'm not a Swifty.
Speaker 1:So don't even start, are you?
Speaker 2:Yeah, like how hardcore, not that hardcore.
Speaker 1:Okay, like on the spectrum of Swifty's, I'm, I'm definitely down here. You know what's weird.
Speaker 2:I'm I. I like her 10 minute version. Yeah, all is well, or what is it called? Clearly, I don't. Clearly, you're not a Swifty.
Speaker 1:I'm not a Swifty either. All too well, all too well, all is well. All too well. That sounded like a church hymn. A Christmas Carol.
Speaker 2:All this one, yeah, so all too well, time and a version. Love that one. Like if I'm ever feeling sad or my feels I, I turn that on immediately every time and just cry it out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, for 10 minutes yeah.
Speaker 2:But then when the 10 minutes is up, I'm like KT, you're done, we're done, thank you, thank you, I would still say then you're a Swifty just like way down here.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think so, you know yeah.
Speaker 2:If I like one song under, like the 80, she's done. Puts me to. What's the math of that? One, one of 80. Yeah, one, one, one one One 80th One, 80th A Swifty.
Speaker 1:My percentage of that is like 2%. Yeah, I don't know, I don't know much less, much less.
Speaker 2:So you are. Did you go to the Aeros Tor, have you? Did you go to the concert?
Speaker 1:So I had tickets. My friend had like three computers up to get tickets for us. Three Like, just like, like I don't even remember where I was. I was out of town while she was doing this search and I felt so badly because she spent her entire day doing this and I was like I'm doing something else.
Speaker 1:I can't help you. I was like out of. I was out of service too, yeah. Um, she got us tickets. The time came for the concert in July in Denver, okay, and I went through a really weird avoidie period, oh, and so I sold my ticket.
Speaker 2:I know which. I'm not even a Swifty, but I'm just like I know. I know the amount of podcasts that I've listened to and they're all like Aeros, tor, taylor Swift, all my stories.
Speaker 1:Yeah, wow, I know it was like we had traveled so much, we had like a family reunion. I didn't know about my job situation and I just couldn't handle the Aeros Tor.
Speaker 2:I couldn't handle that I just couldn't, you know what, but I actually this is a big reason why I think you and I get along and I respect you a lot Is the fact that, like, when it comes to checking in you know offense, because this is me too you feel like you're going to put your mental health before anything, no matter what, and it makes you a stage five Baylor.
Speaker 1:This was a stage sick bailing from the Aeros Tor that my friend spent an entire day waiting in the fucking ticket master line, the queue. I can't believe I did this, but I did At my mental health needed to come first and it made me a little avoidy a little isolated and stage six Baylor.
Speaker 2:Totally, but that's but again. Actually I respect you for putting your mental health before that because I have I?
Speaker 2:I don't think I built from something like that big, I mean I guess like socially big perhaps, but I bail all the time like micro, micro bails, micro bails, all the time and I actually talked about this in one of my last podcasts that I'm like I just get so like overstimulated sometimes with like who am I, what am I, what do I care about? Like, what's important in my life right now? Should I be hanging out with those people? Um, and, and I even said like I'm so protective of my time right now because I just feel so, it's so precious to me for some reason, and and I think sometimes it causes me to be a little more extreme on the spectrum where I'm like I stay home and crochet for hours and hours and hours, and if you're calling my phone, I'm staring at it and I'm not picking up.
Speaker 1:And I love you, but I'm just letting it ring. Oh yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 2:I found out it's actually an Aquarius thing and I'm an Aquarius.
Speaker 1:You're an Aquarius, yeah.
Speaker 2:I was on Twitter the other day, yeah, and it was like one of the things. I don't know it just popped up and I was like an aquarium trait is like not ever answering the phone but watching it ring. But watching it ring every time. Yeah, I always see your calls, I just don't answer hardly. I'll call back. Yeah, I'm just not like a very I don't know what it. Maybe it's my control freak mechanism, like I have to be the one to call Really, really Picky about your time.
Speaker 1:But you know, as we've mentioned, I'm 35, which, by the way, I also. You were very kind. I also love that I have met you Some of my best friends are just generations away from me, like one of my best friends is in her fifties.
Speaker 1:I love these multi-generational I love it Friendships, I love it so, so much. But I find that in my thirties, now, my late thirties oh my God Stop. You start to just your frequency starts to go up. You start to just your frequency starts to be optimizing your life, like living the best life that you possibly can. Yeah, like it's my entire goal is just to live an amazing life and you get really in tune with like tinkering with that.
Speaker 2:Ooh, I like that word Right Tinkering around, tinkering with your life Like horse and around, like, yeah, horse and around with life, horse and around with my life, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:And I find that that's like what I'm so hyper fixated on right now is tinkering with my damn life. Like, am I gonna do some cold showers? Like is that gonna be a thing for me? Sure, sure, why not? Am I gonna get really into matcha and have like a morning routine where I go outside and stand in the sun?
Speaker 2:I fall victim of matcha mornings.
Speaker 1:I love a matcha morning. Love a matcha morning. As soon as someone told me that would help me with anti-aging, I was like pfft.
Speaker 2:Oh, sign me up. As soon as someone told me it wouldn't cause me anxiety like coffee does I signed me up.
Speaker 1:But like bag, I just realized this because he drinks a lot of caffeine. Energy drinks, diet Coke and coffee made him so anxious and so irritable.
Speaker 2:Ooh irritable. When I drink coffee, I get really irritable too.
Speaker 1:I do too.
Speaker 2:I just get very like aggressive, Like if, because if I'm not constantly like doing something productive, I start to get really irritable, Very irritable, and I'm like we gotta clean the car, we gotta do this, we gotta clean the car, and you're like angry about it and I'm pissed about it, Even though I know that I have to do it and I have a strong desire to do it, I'm just still angry.
Speaker 1:Angry, yeah, I know. So that's like my thing is like how how do I get super? And it's so funny. So one of the things that I've kind of stumbled upon and it's kind of a weird. Have you ever listened to the Skinny Confidential podcast?
Speaker 2:No, I don't listen to a lot of podcasts. You know I listen to yours cause I produce it. You have to, I have to.
Speaker 1:You have to listen to that.
Speaker 2:No, I listened to like a couple. I listened to bad broadcast just cause I love Maddie. I love her so much I listened to TMG Co and Noel Miller because why not?
Speaker 1:And that's pretty much it. I mine's weird. I listened to the Tooth and Claw podcast about animal attacks.
Speaker 2:I knew that about you. Yeah, you do. I love that.
Speaker 1:I love that. I eat that shut up. That is so funny. And lately I've been consuming the Skinny Confidential podcast which, like it's a little basic. Okay, so like it's it's.
Speaker 2:It sounds skinny. The word skinny like gives me anxiety, for some reason, I know. Cause this woman?
Speaker 1:is like an OG blogger Like an. Og blogger before we all were like trying to accept and love our bodies. Before that was a thing, but like an OG blogger.
Speaker 2:Anyway, they have this podcast.
Speaker 1:That's awesome. I don't know if I'm gonna recommend it, Okay.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna say that I don't know but I have been consuming it. Disclaimer, disclaimer. I've been consuming a lot of things. I consume that I would never promote yes Ever, yes, ever ever. But they did an episode Like yes.
Speaker 1:I'm like I'm gonna continue to consume this, yeah, absolutely. But they did an episode with Rob Giordic. Do you know Rob Giordic is?
Speaker 2:Oh my God, that's gonna date me, he's like an OG skater. Got it Like the skater guy, okay, like Tony Hawk before, after God, I think before, oh no. Damn cause Tony's old.
Speaker 1:Oh my God, they're both old, but they've. He's kind of built this like incredible wealth, like his net worth is insane because he's just capitalized on this media opportunities like TV shows and all these things. But he's gotten like weirdly, into optimizing his life, like optimizing every aspect of us.
Speaker 2:He has systems. He's a tinkerer as well.
Speaker 1:A fellow tinkerer, he has like systems for how he checks in with his wife to make sure their relationship's going well. Like.
Speaker 2:Oh, is he the 30% guy? Like the? No, probably not, probably not, but he references that. Okay, like the, when you're talking with your partner, you should be like hey, I've got 70% today. Oh, and then the person's like okay, cool, I have 20. I have 20. And you're like that's.
Speaker 1:Brené Brown.
Speaker 2:That's Brené. Yeah, the gap plan Girl. Okay, that's what? Okay, I love her. I do too, because she. But then I have approached my partner with that one time. I'm like so I'm at 20%, and he's like I'm at 10%, and I'm like who the hell is going to fill this empty space? So we got a dog. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1:Just kidding, carter, I love you. Someone else needs to come and make up this gap, because it's more Someone else.
Speaker 2:So a dog, so we bought one.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, and he actually does great, does he fill that?
Speaker 2:70%. Yeah yeah, he's got like. He's got like 150% Perfect. Sometimes the the energy's too much Perfect, so it allows me to even drop lower which is probably isn't good, but it's been really we should know if you are listening.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh if you're listening to this podcast what happens if you only have 10 and your partner only I?
Speaker 2:I watched plan in the world. I watched her interview about that, or her talk about that, and she was like if any of you, if there's a gap that big, you need to talk. Okay, fair, you need to conversate. Which I'm saying this with all jokes my, my relationship is fine, everything's fine. There are times where we just get a little laugh out of that. We're like we're both doing not well, we are unwell.
Speaker 1:Both of us are unwell. We have no plan to fill this gap. No.
Speaker 2:Maybe it's if, if the if you both equally have that big of a gap, then it makes up for it Somehow.
Speaker 1:If you're both unwell totally, then you're bonding over the unwillingness, rather than having one of you be super well and one of you be unwell, and that's just gonna.
Speaker 2:Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's think about it like that, okay, I love it. Anyway, I cut you off about the old skater.
Speaker 1:That was it. That's just like I feel like all like oh.
Speaker 2:The skater from the twenties.
Speaker 1:From like my generation, oh my God. But I, I, I the episode I would recommend. Okay, because he's just built systems for his entire life. Like automated his systems, like that's just what I've been really hyper fixated on. Or like what are the systems that run my life? What are the things I want to get into? Yeah, so I hear you. We're tinkering.
Speaker 2:Tinkering.
Speaker 1:Sometimes it's with silverware, Trace Some.
Speaker 2:Tinkering. Sometimes it is, yeah, sometimes with me, I've realized that I have like a. I like to decorate my house again and again, and that's kind of the way I tinker with my life. Oh yeah, oh, I like to change my aesthetic a lot, that's a big way.
Speaker 1:Oh, you do In your brand.
Speaker 2:Yes, that's a big way that I tinker around with my life. I'm kind of like you only live once, and if you only live once, then I'm gonna choose a different aesthetic every week. I love that. My main, my favorite aesthetics are clean girl. I love the clean girl. I love a monochrome outfit. Oh yeah, I love to pretend that I'm Jen.
Speaker 1:You know, sometimes when I'm just like I'm not a clean girl.
Speaker 2:my socks are dirty, my TNA socks are mine, so that means that they're not clean, what. And then I've got like my like color, my big I love sometimes. I love experimenting with like a bright pink or bright orange or I have red nails, right Sort of. I have like Red is the color I have like For the season. Yeah, red's fun. My friend Emma has red nails and I was like I'm gonna copy her. I just thought red, red is really fun. I've actually experimented with red lately. I've got a fun little my hat.
Speaker 2:I've got a fun little rebrand coming soon With red. With red. So that's good. Once again, a rebrand, red, a red rebrand. And yeah, I don't know. My other one is like a messy, like messy girl Mm. Have you ever seen the A messy busy girl? Yeah, have you seen the trends on TikTok? The messy girl trend? Yes, where it's like, there's like it's like lipstick on smeared on the counter and you've got your like leftover Coffee from two days ago yeah, it's melted. Yeah, like dirty room, but it's still cute and aesthetic.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, like open book on the on the bed, my friend once was thinking about doing a TV show kind of like Silicon Valley, but for women, okay, okay, about women in business. And she was like if I wrote a character for you, it would be this like put together fancy ass business woman, but as soon as that woman came to pick you up from a meeting, her car was a shit show. And I'm like that was 100% me, like I am put together but you come into my car and I live out of my car.
Speaker 2:You know who that reminds me of. In like the kindest way is miscongeniality, Sandra Bollack, where it's like she's got her shit together. She's got her shit together. She does Like she is the queen of all queens, but then like her apartment, she's like boxing and there's like spaghetti, like on the floor.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah. Oh, 100% Like my, actually, I think because my car is messy gives me the ability to be put together. Oh, you know what my car is doing the dirty work for me.
Speaker 2:I have a theory that behind every clean girl there is like a messy drawer or like a miscellaneous closet or there's under the bed, like you never know. There's always something that has to be just like an absolute mess, like your lipsticks or like a shit show there has to be something. I see girls on TikTok and they're like the organized home girls with, like they have every been from the container store and it's all labeled and cute and whatever.
Speaker 2:And their relationship is a mess, I guarantee, yeah. Yeah, they're like one argument away from divorce.
Speaker 1:But their pantries fucking labeled.
Speaker 2:Their refrigerator is fucking beautiful.
Speaker 1:We all have our mess.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we've all got our mess, everyone's messy, which you know what. Maybe this is a really good way to bring in the first topic of planned conversation.
Speaker 1:But, by the way, I also love that you switch up your aesthetic. I love that, thank you. I think more people should do that.
Speaker 2:I think it's actually really fun, because it's kind of like choose your character, yes, and if there's anything I know about me, it's that, like I can't, I'm very, I'm very, moldable, adaptable.
Speaker 1:Yes, adaptable flexible.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and there's like a part of me that I've been that for so long, so that if I choose one aesthetic and I commit to it, I feel too boxed in. I'm also a creative, I mean when I'm also like, I'm also like I do graphic design and stuff, and so there's like a bit of like. If I feel too trapped, if I feel like I can't change anything or something's too permanent, maybe I just have commitment issues, maybe that's a really good way of saying it.
Speaker 1:I mean you might, you might Minor commitment issues. But I also think the people that I love the most in life are, like you, very flexible, very adaptable, very moldable, because that's what's fun about life.
Speaker 2:It's like a very. I do like it because it does give me a sense of like ever changing, ever growing, ever evolving. Yeah, totally when I'm like you know where. Maybe this phase of my life wasn't all that it was cracked up to be, you know. Maybe, looking back, I'm like, yeah, you know what? Only wearing clothes from the thrifted bins. Maybe that wasn't my best moment, but now I can create a different version of myself that's happier, healthier. Who, you know, embraces my body a little more. Who's more comfortable wearing a tight shirt Like that would be.
Speaker 1:that's sick, that's cool that I can reinvent, and that's your evolution.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's like little mini evolutions, and I think that that progression is kind of what humans crave actually Many evolutions, many evolutions. I think it might have actually been Jordan Peterson. I'm gonna quote him roughly, but I think that he said something like if humans have a purpose at all, not counting religion, we're not talking like, you know, you got the job of your dreams or the car of your dreams or whatever it's like. The only purpose is like progression of some kind. Yeah, and whether that's you know, someone building the pyramids, whether that was, you know, oh, we made it from point A to point B. We made a long travel, a long journey, you know, or we discovered something and mass produced it to people, you know.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:And so I think like there's like a sense of many evolutions in your life are super healthy and it's kind of what your soul craves a little bit 100% Of, like a little bit of change here and there. A little bit of doing better every day, you know.
Speaker 1:Cause it's also. I think such a way of self love Is to allow yourself to be different and to change your mind and to change your brand and your aesthetic and to try new things Because you're no longer like well, I should, or this is the best thing for me. I gotta stick to it Like it's okay. It's okay and you can be different and you can have whatever timing you want in your life. Yeah, it's kind of be like whatever like embrace change, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Totally. It's like the my friend Jonathan he, what's that song? You can change your hair and you can change your clothes, does that? Does that?
Speaker 1:ring a bell. Is that a country song? I don't know. It doesn't ring my. It doesn't ring my bell.
Speaker 2:That dates you a little bit. Fuck, fuck, what is that?
Speaker 1:song I can't remember what that song is.
Speaker 2:But my friend, jonathan, always quotes that song to me cause I'll be like, oh, put my extensions back in. And then he'll just like, send me the song and I'm like, thanks, thanks, it's like a sweet thing, it is like a nice thing, so funny, oh, all right. Well, that was fun, we just tinkered around with. We tinkered, tinkered around with a long intro. That's what we like to see. I know you kind of said a stumbling already, but was there anything else that you stumbled on this week?
Speaker 1:What did you stumble upon this week?
Speaker 2:Good question. I didn't think about this before. Ooh, literally can't think. I actually haven't bought anything in a long time. Yes, cause I've been. Well, I haven't enjoyed it, I've just been in a job transition and some kind of poor at the moment.
Speaker 1:We don't call it a know-bye, we call it a month of appreciation.
Speaker 2:We call it a month of appreciation. Yes, we do. You're right. Jen talked about that on her most recent episode coming out. Month of appreciation. Month of appreciation, I still call it. So yeah, I'll say it's that, rather than there's $4 in my bank account right now.
Speaker 1:You're just taking time to appreciate what's in your life. I am, I am and what you certainly have.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I guess I stumbled upon gratitude, this forced gratitude, forced gratitude, and sometimes that's the best kind of gratitude is when you have no say in it. No say in the matter of being grateful 100% and just be grateful for what you have. Yeah, totally. What do you have? Anything else that you stumbled?
Speaker 1:on. I stumbled upon. So your girl's on a protein kick I'm trying. Oh, that's fun. I don't know how many of us haven't had a hard relationship with like food and our bodies and things like that. So I'm trying really hard to just embrace what my body needs to feel good. And so I'm trying to get my protein up, which is hard for me. Who?
Speaker 2:doesn't love protein so hard. Who needs to eat like 150 grams, so I stumbled upon hemp hearts.
Speaker 1:They're like shelled little hemp. It's kind of like quinoa. It looks like quinoa but you just sprinkle it on like whatever.
Speaker 2:And I've been sprinkling. What is this magic? Wait, I'm gonna look it up. They're called hemp hearts.
Speaker 1:And they're like kind of flavorless, like they kind of taste a little nutty, but I put them in smoothies. I put them over veggies. I put them over because I think there's like 10 grams of protein in three grams. I know, is it that? That's it. That's the exact brand I have, that first one that popped up Wow, 10 grams. That's amazing, you just sprinkle. I've just been sprinkling on everything.
Speaker 2:Does it make you feel pretty like aesthetic a little?
Speaker 1:bit 100%. I love something about that, because I love a sprinkle.
Speaker 2:Oh, me too. Me too, I've been doing the granola sprinkle over my Chobani, yes, and I feel elite. I feel so good, I'm like there's something about. Or have you ever done a pomegranate sprinkle? I don't like the texture of pomegranates. Oh, too bad. What's the congruent of that? Like, I don't know, like a raspberry.
Speaker 1:Oh, I love a raspberry Congruent.
Speaker 2:Was that the right word? Yeah, I thought congruent was opposite, synonymous Congruent, I think.
Speaker 1:Congruent. Do you have congruent? Yeah?
Speaker 2:So raspberries are the congruent the right angle of pomegranate.
Speaker 1:Just some sort of. The pomegranate for girlies with sensory issues like me.
Speaker 2:Yes, totally sensory issues, Are you like, highly sensitive.
Speaker 1:Just my food textures.
Speaker 2:Oh, textures, okay, I actually have that with chicken pot pie. Oh, chicken pot pie, is that what it is? Yes, okay, I don't eat, or ever eat it, so I don't know. I've never ordered it before. Where would you order chicken pot pie? I don't know. Is it only like a frozen thing? It's like a.
Speaker 1:Costco thing? No, I think you can get it, but like at like home style diners, like I bet you could get it at Cracker Barrel Cracker.
Speaker 2:Barrel, barrel, barrel, crackabarrel. Yeah, you could definitely. Yeah, I hate, I can get chicken pot pie. Yeah, I don't like it because the soup texture it's so viscous Totally and then like with the crust I actually don't like pies at all Like the texture of pie crust kind of just Gives you the ick. It like reminds me of a chalkboard a little bit in my mouth so I just don't, don't mess with it.
Speaker 2:Don't mess with it, don't like it. So yeah, thank you, but that's really the only thing. What other textures do you not like? Are you the kind of person who doesn't like watermelon? I like watermelon, no it's mostly.
Speaker 1:I think it's not even a texture thing, it's a trauma. So my mom used to cook with a lot of chicken and ground beef and she would cook with the chicken tenderloins because they were like the cheapest Got it that have that big tendon running through them and she would never take them out. And so every bite that I would eat as a child was like Russian roulette.
Speaker 2:It was like what bite is gonna be? A surprise chicken tender, russian roulette? It's kind of like.
Speaker 1:McDonald's now? Oh yes. So when I talk my husband makes fun of me because I'm like I cannot have anything that's close to not pure driven white snow chicken breast.
Speaker 2:Oh, wow.
Speaker 1:Like if it's like a little bit suss or like a little bit yeah, I can't.
Speaker 2:Won't do it, I cannot. Yeah, totally you actually. I know you enjoy Big Macs. I do love Big Macs. I do love Big Macs. I love that for you. I actually had a Big Mac the other day and I thought of you.
Speaker 1:Why'd you have a Big Mac? I actually specifically love the McDoubles, the McDoubles, the McDouble.
Speaker 2:McDouble, that's what it was. No, I actually ordered a Big Mac because I genuinely thought that's what it was. It was a. So when I go through the McDonald's drive-thru, it's normally because of something that happened. You know, it's like a damn it. This happened. I deserve something for McDonald's. Yes, because there's a little bit of comfort in McDonald's. It's like a childhood thing, it's like go get a happy meal.
Speaker 2:That's emotional support, yeah it's like oh, my mom checked me out of school. Like what are we gonna do? Let's go to McDonald's. Oh treat, yeah, let's go get something fun. So yeah, I went through the drive-thru, had it, it was great. And then 15 minutes later I was sprinting into my home to the bathroom. I also have a very. My stomach is highly sensitive.
Speaker 1:I'm not, but my stomach is like uh-uh.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so that's kind of my thing with that.
Speaker 1:I hear you. Yeah, when I'm feeling really sad, I go and get a little vanilla cone from McDonald's to eat by myself in my car. There's nothing better, sorry hold on when I'm sad.
Speaker 2:Just, I always thought, thinking about Jen and her Tesla with a white cone and it's like the song, like in the arms. I'm just staring out my window.
Speaker 1:That is it. I'm just like eating my ice cream cone a lot in my car, like just staring and having an existential crisis. I love it. Yes, everyone needs that though. Yes, cause it's not ice cream. Ice cream hooks me up, but it's like some powder mix or something.
Speaker 2:Oh, mcdonald's ice cream isn't actually ice cream. No, that's a news flash. Yeah, it's not dairy.
Speaker 1:No well, I don't know if it isn't dairy but oh, somehow doesn't fuck me up as much as like.
Speaker 2:I can't believe it's not dairy. I mean it's for sure a powder mix.
Speaker 1:I don't know if they mix it in milk. I don't even know if that was real.
Speaker 2:I just think that all, all food from McDonald's comes from straight up Mars, like it's not.
Speaker 1:It is not manufactured here?
Speaker 2:No At all, I don't think. Nor is it, nor is there any food in it.
Speaker 1:It's not meant for the human body.
Speaker 2:Not at all, not at all. So, yes, stumbled upon Big Macs, stumbled upon Big Macs. Okay, let's move on to our next segment, which is kind of like so what we're going to do with this episode, even though we've already recorded for quite a while? We have. But thanks for hanging on. To get to the, to the juiciest topics. So we're going to do like kind of some mini, some more minis, and then we're going to get into the bulk topic and I actually changed the outline quite a bit.
Speaker 2:So there's going to be some some ones that you're not prepared for. Okay, fun, and then we'll finish up with some fun stuff and more about Jen. Fun Cause I just want everyone to know how amazing Jen is, and everyone needs to have a little Jen in their life. Thanks, abby, jen's the best. Okay, so, since this is the Deep and Unhinged podcast, I realized that I didn't ever really intro the podcast, but if you're still listening to this episode, this is the Deep and Unhinged podcast. This is the Deep and Unhinged, yes, and this podcast is a place where we can get super deep about life while still remaining ridiculously unhinged and knowing that we are all a lot of bit like both yes, and also it's not that deep.
Speaker 2:Most things aren't that deep.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So that's kind of what we chat about here. It's just a fun little place. So my first question for you, my first like really official podcast question that I planned for, is what is something that you thought deeply about? For no reason, I think this is gonna be.
Speaker 1:What have I thought deeply about? Oh my God. Okay, I went kind of literal with this, okay. Okay, I think about the depths of the ocean, a lot Like weirdly, a lot. I don't know why my mind takes me here. It's like my intrusive thought, or it's like what is down there? What the fuck is down there? What is down there? What is down there? What is down there, what is down there, what is down there.
Speaker 2:What is down there? What is down there, and you know what that is. Sometimes the ocean it's like kind of feels like none of my business at all. Like the ocean, how deep the ocean is is none of my business at all.
Speaker 1:But I find that these are sometimes like my favorite thoughts. They're very intrusive because they're very fearful. It's like what is in there. But can I tell you why? It gives me some comfort. Yeah, Sometimes it makes me feel like it reminds me that this earth wasn't built just for us.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, and that it's all, not that we aren't the main characters of this show. No.
Speaker 1:We are a blip and somehow that makes my anxiety go away. It makes me feel like everything's gonna be fine and, like you said, not everything is that deep because we're a blip.
Speaker 2:Except the ocean, of course.
Speaker 1:The ocean's fucking deep, but it somehow just makes me feel like my little decision about like what job I take or when I take it, or like who I'm in they're all just small, absolutely Small things. Yeah, totally that. You don't need to take that seriously.
Speaker 2:And you know what's funny about that is like so Jen and I were actually talking about this like before we started recording, but I am a little bit of a conspiracy girlie, Just a little bit, Just cause I think there's shit's interesting, I think that there's deep things that are really cool and I'm like, why not? And actually that's the. I think you've just described the reason why I'm a little bit on the conspiracy, dare we say spectrum, because it kind of makes me it just like it makes me feel a little smaller and there's something really peaceful about feeling smaller in such a in a world that makes everything feel bigger.
Speaker 1:It makes you feel smaller but, more importantly, it makes your perspective bigger.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. Which, your perspective being bigger? Absolutely.
Speaker 1:Which sort of centers everything?
Speaker 2:It does and there was some. So recently I had, you know, obviously, with my whole job transition and like everything that happened throughout that time and it was just crazy and all these like life lessons and just everything with that transition felt so big. It just felt like everything is so you know, everything's like a level 100. Freak out anxious, this all matters you know World ending.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like fight or flight kind of situation. But when you think about something like that like how deep is the ocean, you kind of remember there's a squid down there just swimming around, not giving two shits about what my job transition is doing to me in my own little world it doesn't matter. And also like the weather. The weather doesn't care what my life is going, it doesn't care.
Speaker 2:And there are aliens there are probably aliens running the show right now and they don't give a shit about oh Abby's having a really hard time with this transition and it's been really hard. Like it just doesn't matter.
Speaker 1:It's actually not that deep at all, it's not, and it reminds you that everything will pass, which? I think is also important Again, especially this idea of like constant mini-evolutions. Yeah, move through your life, because everything is temporary.
Speaker 2:Like anything that I have had really big pain around is when I've held on to something, so hard when you like white knuckle, like a situation yes, yeah, we were like because it kind of becomes a little bit of your identity. Like I've noticed that when traumatic things happen there's a lot of like oh I hate that this is happening to me and this really sucks.
Speaker 2:But then there's like a comfort in it that we find and it allows us to kind of victimize ourself a little bit and be like, well, as long as I have this story and as long as I hold on to this reality and I'm controlling it, then nothing else will hurt me and nothing else can hurt me, because I'm still holding on to like this really bad thing. It turns into like a traumatic safety blanket a little bit Totally, you know, and we identify with it and I find that there's been things that I've had to let go of that I didn't realize were my traumatic safety blankets and you let go of it and you're like you can breathe what?
Speaker 2:Yeah, you can breathe.
Speaker 1:And the world didn't end. Yes, exactly. Actually, the world happened, exactly how it was going to happen all along.
Speaker 2:Absolutely.
Speaker 1:And.
Speaker 2:I could die tomorrow and I don't want to waste my life holding on to all these like stories and identities of what happened to me yeah, exactly, and then kind of just be like actually at the end of the day, like the ocean's fucking deep, I know, and I'm so fucking small.
Speaker 1:And this was built for us Like we're not the main character, which is so wild to me yeah, we so not the main character.
Speaker 2:Yeah, are you kidding? Yeah, and that's kind of where it comes from. Me is like there's, there are things that happen like you know whether it's someone saying something about me negative or whether it's having, you know, hard situations with people. It's like the world is so, so big.
Speaker 1:So, so, so, so, so big.
Speaker 2:And if I were to put myself in the center of the universe, then you, I don't know, you just lose out on so much perspective and you lose out on a lot more peace out there waiting for you, oh yeah, and you can't sacrifice your peace to just be like enthralled. What's it? You know, in what's the word? Entangled in in like a, in a social problem? You know it feels like a waste of time a little bit.
Speaker 1:So if any of you are like feeling, when I start to feel cortisol like build up on my body and I'm like panicking. I just, I, just, I just think about the ocean. Oh my God, You're gonna be. This woman is more than deep.
Speaker 2:Awesome, I'm just like no, I love that. Everything's going to be fine Way to take deep, literally.
Speaker 1:I know I did.
Speaker 2:What's the deepest thing? You're like all right, so there's a hole in Arizona.
Speaker 1:It's like a very literal thing. I'm like the ocean. Yeah, obviously.
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh, I love that, but I do think about it, I like that. Yeah, ocean, I actually. I do think about that a lot too. Go to an aquarium, you know so amazing perspective, seriously. There, yeah, yeah, love it. That's so good. Um, okay, next question that I have for you what have you found yourself spending the most time on lately? And also, do you have time? Are you good on time?
Speaker 1:I'm gonna time I've got probably 10 more minutes. Okay, perfect yeah.
Speaker 2:That's. That's perfect. We'll wrap it up quick.
Speaker 1:We'll make this a shorty, because I already talked about it in the beginning.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:I've been spending just a lot of time on optimizing my life and routine in my system. I love it One of my having in the morning. What makes me feel great, yep. What makes me not feel great, yep. All that.
Speaker 2:I love it. Yeah, I am really obsessed with the idea of tinkering right now. Yes, I do love I think that that's what I've. Um, that's kind of what I want to focus on and actually, like I think, if you're listening to this episode, like, maybe focus on tinkering a little bit more maybe focus on things that are like you don't have to do but you enjoy actually. Something that Jen and I both enjoy is crocheting bags.
Speaker 1:It may never make us millionaires, never Damn, we love it yeah.
Speaker 2:And we sell bags. We're doing like markets this year, soon, like next week. Next week we're selling our crochet bags at a market. Yep, and that's something that I really love tinkering around with. I started painting because for no other reason than and I'm awful at it.
Speaker 2:I'm not good at painting at all, but I love it and it makes me feel like you know little little joy, little little sprinkles of peace, like your hemp hearts. Oh yeah, sprinkles Sprinkle your life with, with a little bit of fun. You know a little bit of like peaceful enjoyment activities.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, I think this tinkering concept is so powerful because it also just like I don't know it opens you up to have such low ego and things too it does, cause you're like I'm going to go try that weird thing and you're not going to be good at it. I'm not going to be good at it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that's okay, and it might never make me money, and that's okay, but you're a really multifaceted person and you got to figure out what all your facets are. Oh yeah, absolutely, and the only way you can do that is by tinkering. Yes, I love.
Speaker 2:I love that it like makes me think of like a woodcarver or like a little toy maker or something my therapist actually, um that I had a couple cycles back she said so.
Speaker 1:She was like we talked about chakras, we also talked about energy, like she talked about all of it. And I remember my first, my first session with her, I was like I don't know if I prescribe to chakras and like shadow work and all this. I don't know if I subscribe.
Speaker 2:Like like the woo, woo, like um, like what's the word? Phrasing and stuff, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm like I don't know if I and she was like that's okay. Hmm, it's all to strengthen the well that you draw from. Ooh, I really like that and that's what I feel like with tinkering is like, why not try it? Why does everyone have such bad, like just strong opinions? I'm not going to try that. I'm not going to do that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like I'm not going to be good at that, so I'm not going to do it. Just because you tinker doesn't mean it's going to be core to my personality.
Speaker 1:Ooh, I love that. You know, yeah, true, true. I just think it just helps diversify your identity as well, so that when things hit you you're like I'm good because I've got my fingers and so many weird things, absolutely, and I'm too busy. I'm too busy optimizing my life and tinkering and every single part of my life is fleeting yeah, and temporary yeah, absolutely yeah.
Speaker 2:Like it doesn't have to be a core identity. Yes, that's something that I'm going to do. Yes, that's something that I struggle with a lot. Is that like?
Speaker 2:I think that in my part, one of my early twenties- as I referenced earlier part A was super crazy because I think that I was trying to find, I was desperately searching for an identity, and so it caused this like I was very resistant to change, but I also wanted to find my thing so badly and so it was like I would choose an identity, and at the time I was in college and I was drinking myself to death with my sorority girlies.
Speaker 2:So I kind of latched onto that identity and I thought I'm never going to be anything different than this. This is who I'm going to be forever and I'm going to be the most successful sorority business student whatever I thought I was, you know. And then it became like the. I wasn't tinkering in anything, you know, I was just holding on to one, one characteristic and that and it ended up like leveling me or what's the opposite of not leveling you out, like it ended up, I don't know.
Speaker 2:It caused a lot of turbulence in my life, even though I was only doing one thing and I was going to school, I was being super social, but it ended up just kind of causing a lot of issues. Yeah, and now I've realized that there's a reason why your parents say like we just want you to become well rounded, because well rounded doesn't mean like, oh, you're like the best at something or you're super successful in one thing. Well rounded really means like you've got range and you could do anything you wanna do, and if you wanted to be really good at something, you could, but doesn't mean it's the only thing that you're latching onto for the rest of your life.
Speaker 1:You know, I talked about this in my podcast about developing resilience and handling rejection. And your financial advisor will always tell you to diversify your financial portfolio. Like don't have all your eggs in one basket. And I love that for your identity too.
Speaker 1:Like, diversify your identity because then any sort of hardship that you come across in your life, you're not rocked, you don't have all this turbulence because you're not completely attached to just one thing or one aspect of yourself, like for me when I lost my job. My entire identity was my job. So when I lost my job, I was a mess. So you're like this whole thing is crashing down. My whole life is over. I have no idea who I am. But now you know, having faced some rejection in the job hunt, I'm like yeah, that was painful and it hurts.
Speaker 1:But I've got some bags to crochet.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna go work on my podcast.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna call my friend, I'm gonna go to spin. I'm gonna go to spin. I'm gonna have my matcha logic because I'm tinkering with my life.
Speaker 2:Absolutely yeah, I love that, and it's also it's been explained to me too as percentages and I really love this idea of percentages, like where we actually get the.
Speaker 2:We have the opportunity to look at everything that we enjoy in our life and decide what percentage of my time goes to that. So if it's friendships, it's like all right. What percentage of my time do am I willing to give to that? Is it going to be 100%? If you give 100% to friendships it may end badly, because if they can't hang out then you're lonely and you may become codependent on your friendships.
Speaker 1:You may become Same with your relationship. And your relationships you may become If you spend 100% of your time in your relationship.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like emotionally attached or whatever, if you. For me it was like religion. For a long time it was like I had 100% of my identity in religion, which is what they told you you needed to do Like you had to be that's what we were instructed to do. You have to identify with your religion very strongly, which you know. I think that if you are religious, there's nothing wrong with that right. You know. I think you have to figure it out. Everyone's on their own journey with that Everyone figures out their own percentages.
Speaker 2:Yes, and so with religion it was like if one thing religious happened with me, if I had one question, if I had one worry, if I made one mistake, my whole life was ruined. I'm going to hell, yeah. And so I've been kind of I don't know. I've been experimenting with this like percentage idea of like what are my percentages with this? My recent one has been with exercising, like it's important to find the percentage that you want to give to that, and if it's once a week, then you're like, okay, that's going to be one out of the seven days, that's one seventh. What's the percentage of one seventh? I don't even know. One seventh, one seventh, it's one seventh.
Speaker 1:So you kind of put that percentage we use fractions around here.
Speaker 2:We use fractions cause it makes sense. And I'm not smart, I'm not going to math at all, but you know, and that's kind of how you're able to get to, I am 100% fulfilled, but that doesn't mean that a hundred percent of my time is in one thing. It means that I'm well-rounded and because of that I can also change my percentages around. You know, oh, if I don't feel like this deserves 50% anymore, we're dropping it back to 10%.
Speaker 1:Or if other areas of your life are struggling. Like I had a conversation with my husband about it, cause my husband is like a hyper-independent person, like he just has so many interests and so many curiosities. He's a tinker for sure Love it and so we talked about this because I think for a long time I was really codependent on him and was really rocked if he didn't want to spend time with me. And now I've cultivated so much of my individual identity that we kind of got far apart for a bit there and so we had to kind of reassess. We're like, okay, we are all really hyped on our individual endeavors right now, but our relationship is starting to suffer.
Speaker 1:So we're, going to take a couple of percentages back to our relationship. And so I think just constantly assessing and constantly tinkering is the key, because your life is ecstatic and your priorities aren't static.
Speaker 2:I really love that. I love that idea. It's just kind of like you know, be multifaceted and love it. Tinker around in some things that you haven't before. Try your hand at watercolor, why not? It'd be fun. Or like go do this activity with people that you never thought you would ever do.
Speaker 1:Or get really into like chakras for a little while, if that feeds you.
Speaker 2:Into what.
Speaker 1:Chakras, chakras. I think you said chakras and I was like, yeah, if you want to get into the candy chakras, that's also okay, into chakras, pop rocks, get into pop rocks, pop rocks like whatever. Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 2:I actually do like that, get into chakras, because it's kind of like start shocking yourself with like like shock yourself with what you might actually be really good at that you didn't know, or like constantly be uncomfortable and that's where you're going to thrive.
Speaker 1:Constantly be uncomfortable? Yes, yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2:I love that. What makes you feel the deepest?
Speaker 1:What did I say? Just like a quick little, I think when things start to come full circle for me, like when you get those like little nudges from the universe that are like you're doing good. Like when timing matches up, when there's some sort of coincidence that you're like oh, I didn't get that job, and then the next day you get an email from like your dream job. Yes, Like those little moments. The payoff moments Just make me feel like the universe is just saying hey, I got you, You're good yeah.
Speaker 2:I love it. That make me feel the best. Amazing, same same, same same. And then what makes you feel the most unhinged? Oh my God so many things.
Speaker 1:So many things make me feel unhinged. I-15 traffic, which I just drove today.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, facts Traffic is gets in like my bones, it is in my soul.
Speaker 1:It gets me irritable in my bones. I feel like as much self-work, as I've ever done, will always be undone by.
Speaker 2:I-15. Your mental health journey is tested in freeway Free traffic. On the freeway On freeway traffic.
Speaker 1:On freeway, inside freeway. I just hate it. I hate it so much. Yeah, capitalism makes me feel really unhinged. And then my last one makes me feel really unhinged when people tell me how to dress up Greek. So I hate Greek yogurt. I hate it. I hate the flavor of it. I know my husband-. Have you listened to my last podcast? Yes, my husband is 95% Greek yogurt. I hate the taste of Greek yogurt.
Speaker 1:And I hate when people tell me. I hate when people tell me like, well, if you put like peanut butter and maple syrup in there, you can like make like a little ice cream treat. No, fuck, it Still tastes like Greek yogurt.
Speaker 2:I just imagined your husband as like a silhouette, and it says 95.
Speaker 1:It's like 95% 95% Greek yogurt, but I just that makes me feel unhinged. People are like but if you do this to it, I'm like no, it always tastes like Greek yogurt.
Speaker 2:I wonder what I am. I think I'm like right now.
Speaker 1:I'm like 80% Otterpop, Because that's what I've been eating the most. I'm 80% Hepsides, so I guess we're doing fine.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's incredible. Well, jen, thank you so much for coming on.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, wow this has been amazing. This has been such a good chat. I think we really uncovered some good gems here. I do too, I was gonna cause. I think we might put this on my podcast too, yeah, let's do it. Tell me about just a really quick like what topics you get into on your podcast and what people can find you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so really quick. So my podcast is obviously the deep and unhinged. We talk about super deep things, but we also talk about really not deep things, cause it's just great and we're all just a big cute balance of all of that, oh yeah, so a lot of my topics are mainly around either things that I just think really hard about and I think are super interesting to just think about. Like, for example, I went on a deep dive last week or, sorry, two weeks ago about things that I'm not good at and what I want to get better at, yeah, and so it was really funny and really dumb and a lot of it was sarcasm, but it was super fun and unhinged, and so that's that. I also go on deep dives about just like random stuff that I like come across, like Brita filters, like Brita filters, like losing my lip masks. I talked about quantum mechanics, like quantum mechanics for dummies one time. Oh yeah, and that was just crazy. I spent like two days reading about it and then I gave like my unhinged perspective on it, so Amazing.
Speaker 1:It's just a lot of crazy, oh I love it.
Speaker 2:And then you can find me on Instagram. It is at Abby Orchard, that's my personal. And then if you want to follow the deep and unhinged, I think it's literally just at the deep and unhinged, or at deep and unhinged, or search on like Instagram. Yeah, or search on Spotify or Apple or all the things, all the places, all the YouTube actually you can watch on YouTube.
Speaker 1:Finally, I got them on YouTube. We're on YouTube. We're on YouTube so everyone can see our socks. Good, so everyone can see my T and A socks, thank God.
Speaker 2:Yep, exactly. And then, Jen, where could people find you? For people from my podcast?
Speaker 1:So, personally, you can find me on Instagram at JenLGray, and then my podcast is the corporate cleanse podcast, which is kind of more so for corporate girlies, but it's also just people that are trying to navigate capitalism, making money without losing your soul completely. So we talk about like dealing with toxic bosses. How to tinker in corporate. How to tinker in your corporate life. How to manage your time. How to deal with toxic like colleagues. How to heal your like relationship with money.
Speaker 1:How to negotiate your salary or how to negotiate or ask for a raise, like kind of around the gamut, and I think you can find that at thecorporatecleanse on Instagram and then just search that on Spotify and Apple too, amazing. I know we didn't even really dig into your podcast at all, or you can go find it if you're interested.
Speaker 2:Yeah, please go listen to her podcast. It's amazing. I actually produce it, if you didn't know. I mean, I just produce it. It's the best thing ever and I love Jen. But thank you so much. This has been amazing and you guys, I hope you loved it. Please rate and review this episode, if you have, you know, feedback for me how to be a better host. I would love it. If there's any topics that you want to hear about, also, let me know, because I suck at topics. For the most part, love it. I'm really good at talking about anything, but I'm really bad at thinking of what to talk about. So that's a we do here, all right. Well, thank you, guys again and I will catch you next week. Bye, bye, hallo, hello.