OPP Is All A Dream We Dreamed...

Get ready for a backstage pass into the world of cannabis with the dynamic duo of the industry, Alison Gordon and Amy Weinstein. As the brains behind Other People's Pot, these two pioneers have faced the trials and tribulations of the ever-changing landscape of this burgeoning sector. Tune in as we traverse their journey, hear their stories, their struggles, their triumphs, and how their authenticity and fun-loving attitude have turned out to be a game-changer.

Our freewheeling conversation with Alison and Amy ventures from the pivotal transition of their business from a sales agency to a product and event-oriented space. We meander through the influence of Bubbleman, the inventor of the bubble bag, and his impact on the cannabis scene. We also delve into the fascinating world of cannabis-infused products, particularly the controversy surrounding flavored infused joints. Get a sneak peek into their adventurous journey and the lessons learned in launching a cannabis business.

The third segment of our conversation dives into the challenges and growth of the cannabis industry, particularly through the lens of these two leading women. We touch on their experiences, the impact of legalization, and the rise of pre-rolls. Furthermore, we discuss the potential of mass consumer appeal for flavored pre-rolls and the controversy surrounding unnatural botanical terpenes. Whether you're intrigued by the mechanics of a cold supply chain or interested in hearing about the highs and lows of creating a thriving brand within the cannabis industry, there's something in this episode for everyone. Enjoy this riveting rollercoaster ride into the heart of the cannabis industry and the entrepreneurs that shape it.

Transcript

Cannabis Industry and Pioneering Entrepreneurs

Speaker 1 0:00

I'm Sean and I'm Charlie, and this is Hire Orbit. We have a very special episode for everybody tonight. Some of my best friends in the industry for a long, long time. I feel so blessed to have them here today. I have Allison Gordon, also known as cannabis culturalist, and Amy Weinstein of Other People's Pot. Welcome to the show, guys. Thanks. I was gonna go with this like long extended intro and I realized that like people know who you guys are, so I don't like I mean that is a compliment we can say for those who don't.

Speaker 1 0:38

No it's your job. I know when the quote to like go into what they actually did, so I'm gonna team you up.

Speaker 3 0:44

You're just passing me.

Speaker 4 0:45

He's like I was gonna give you this long a trail, but no.

Speaker 3 0:47

Put that in Charlie, charlie, but no.

Speaker 4 0:48

You can do all the work, buddy. Wow, what you pass it off to me.

Speaker 3 0:51

They could introduce themselves.

Speaker 4 0:52

I mean, I know them well. I don't know Allison that well, to be honest. That's true, I think what's so, being truthful, so it's cool to see you both together actually, and yeah, I mean, what would we have? A seat, double CEO, commander in chief, leader of OPP, who just had a huge milestone, in my opinion, and we've seen you evolve and work together, in fact, many times.

Speaker 1 1:14

It's been such a cool success story to see you guys kind of evolve, and I really wanted to just kind of get into that. Like I feel like in a world where, like the industry and so many people are checking out and saying fuck it and hanging up their hat and be like I'm done with fucking cannabis, see you later. Like you guys have been around since legalization started and you've pivoted so many times and just really reinvented yourselves and I just think that's worth a pat on the back.

Speaker 3 1:41

Thank you, thanks, sean. There you go, thank you. We've been around a long time, ab and I, in different ways and together for a long time, which is crazy, like really, I think we've been working together, and how do?

Speaker 1 1:56

you guys meet each other. I don't even know Like I feel like I've known you both as your own people because you're both such big, you know personalities and and and bring such different things to the table when it comes to OPP. But like, what is that story? Like, how did you meet Amy Winestein and how did you create this powerhouse? You?

Speaker 3 2:16

know the story starts with you at the panel. Really.

Speaker 2 2:20

It's true, I saw Alison speak when I was running a dispensary like right around the corner from here at King and Niagara.

Speaker 4 2:27

I know what.

Speaker 1 2:28

There was a pan.

Speaker 4 2:29

I didn't even know that, yeah.

Speaker 2 2:31

In 2015,. Yeah, it was a great store 416. We even sold the bull rider back in the day the real deal. Yeah, it was beautiful place and you know very King Street. But when I was there, I saw that Alison, through rethink breast cancer, was putting on a panel with Bubble man, with one of the founders from Sante Cannabis, a doctor with a really diverse with some patients as well, some breast cancer patients, and I was like who is this woman? This is incredible, especially after attending the panel. I love to see Bubble man and these doctors come together and give real information to these patients for both sides.

Speaker 1 3:09

So people know, bubble man, you're talking BC, bubble man markets like invented the bubble bag right.

Speaker 2 3:14

I don't know. I tried and done with down for everybody.

Speaker 1 3:18

One of many incredible people, alison has brought into my life and right away such a cool guy. He's an incredible individual.

Speaker 3 3:28

He's one of the first people that I've met in the industry when I came. I've always guesspined in the industry as someone who's been smoking weed regularly since I was young like 14.

Speaker 1 3:41

So you met Marcus a long time ago. No, no, no, I don't know.

Speaker 3 3:45

So then in 2014, when I actually start working in the industry with the application that became weed MD, I met Mark and I was blown away. And really, the same way, amy saying she met Mark through me Well, I've met, like anyone I've met in some way, goes back to Mark because he is just an OG. I mean, he created the. In my mind he's always like I didn't invent it. It's like I don't know how to simplify it but bubble the concept of taking quite long, structure which exists.

Speaker 3 4:19

That's why, yeah, I got it, nobody invents that, but in using it for cannabis and I know it's debatable and I'm not someone who goes deep diving into whatever in my mind, in my heart Bubble man created these awesome bubble bags when somebody knows the bubble bag.

Speaker 1 4:35

I just wanted to back it up. Charlie, you know the bubble bag. I know, I know what it is. No, but everybody else doesn't know. No, it's for making bubble half dynamic. How? Sam was saying it, I'm so sorry, I never reminded him of that. It's like a matter. Yeah, you know that he did that, that's it. All right, you can bring it down. You can bring it down, we could Well. I guess it's the first step of the process. Like, even back then there wasn't Rosin. Let's be honest, right? No, no, no.

Speaker 3 4:55

I remember going to his house in 2000 and this is not when we first met. So now we've been friends for a few years I think it's maybe 16 if I met him in 14. So in 16, I'm there and he has a T-shirt press and he's like look, look, look, if you take this weed like we're putting it in the wax paper, and then we just take this like T-shirt press and I'm like I don't like, just I need to smoke a joint, like I just tobacco, yeah, I was like that rock and roll music is never going to last, but it helped people when you were selling together.

Speaker 2 5:30

Yeah, Well, so I guess, going back to yeah the story, I saw that and I said I guess I tried to get in touch with Alison at that time and then you know that took that, took me nowhere she shut down. I just didn't get in touch. You know, she knows that's not the best at answering emails or things like that.

Speaker 3 5:48

It's not answering, it's actually seeing them, if she saw it, she would have answered.

Speaker 2 5:51

So time goes by. I actually moved from there. I've worked with National Access Cannabis, helped them immensely here in Toronto and then she's been so many clinics and dispensaries and patients, and then I went to work at another job and then again I saw what Alison was doing with 48 North and I was like that's that woman, the one woman who's kind of inspired.

Speaker 4 6:13

Me.

Speaker 2 6:14

I knew that I needed to join an LP and do something like that and I didn't know. I did not want to just join any LP. And I tracked her down. I got her phone number from a mutual friend. I called her, I texted her and I got the job. But it was a lot of chasing.

Speaker 3 6:28

But here in Toronto, so you have to hear this part of the story. So we meet, we hire, bring her and like, okay, you're coming in, you're going to meet, like with the, you know, head of marketing or whatever. And then we offer her the job and Amy's like yeah, so the other thing is I'm heading to Thailand.

Speaker 2 6:49

You know what, which is why I was like I heard now because she's got fucking hustle man.

Speaker 3 6:55

She hustled and thank God, thank God for Amy. I mean Amy, just you know 48 North we're competing at a time where canopy has hundreds of millions of dollars. We're still in the top three skews or five skews in every province we're in. Because Amy was there like working with the people back. I knew selling weed.

Speaker 1 7:18

Selling weed People still ask us for 48 North products, by the way, I give you that shout out, especially the sex oil, the sex bottle.

Speaker 3 7:27

Yeah, that was a long time. I feel like there's little jokers out there that had it and they still have just run out and they come in and they're like do you have the 40 North?

Speaker 1 7:35

Anyway, no way.

Speaker 3 7:36

That was the last few brands.

Speaker 4 7:37

That's where we first met. That's where we first met.

Speaker 3 7:41

And then you know, she came to work, yeah.

Speaker 2 7:45

A lot of hard work, like building together with an amazing team too.

Speaker 4 7:49

And like this team, Amy, like who was part of like one of like four or five, maybe six.

Speaker 3 7:56

Ultimately we raised 70 million. We took the company public.

Speaker 2 8:02

We like, you know, like and we didn't have at the time.

Speaker 3 8:04

Right, we didn't even have a sales license at the time and we were also selling wholesale at that time, because I don't even want to say out loud what the whole like. You could sell wholesale for $8 a gram, and we're marketers, we've learned brands. So it was like but that's cool.

Speaker 3 8:17

So Amy was tasked with okay, I don't have weed on the shelf called 48 North, but we have this great brand and this you know, first female CEO of a publicly traded cannabis company, and I'm going to create things like Latitude Magazine with women bartenders, and you know everything that she did was able to then when? We launched and being the first to do the .35s, yeah.

Speaker 2 8:42

The dog walkers, the dog walkers. I remember that and I actually saw at. Kynne last week, like three different people wearing our Flower to the People t-shirt.

Speaker 1 8:51

Yeah, we did Well, we were out, we were good.

Speaker 2 8:54

To me. It's like so many people are like don't do merch, it's a waste. It's like not if you make something awesome.

Speaker 1 8:59

Meaningful and authentic Connects with people Every year. That's many yeah.

Speaker 3 9:04

That's at least super cool. I can't do math. It's amazing.

Speaker 2 9:10

You get to keep working together and continue that journey.

Speaker 4 9:13

Yes, Like I mean yeah, wow, yeah, a lot of change.

Speaker 1 9:15

So you're working. You were working at 48 North. That ended that road kind of you know, ended. You're not doing much into that. Why did you guys decide to keep working together and like, what kind of brought you to this idea of OBD?

Talking OBD and Launching Pot

Speaker 3 9:26

I knew without a doubt, that I was going to be working with. Like that, when I was ready, like Amy was leaving and we were going to do something, there's nobody, because Amy is all sides of things and she hustles and she's smart and she loves weed, and you know, when you're running a public company, you're, like, you know, in the basement of a Morton's and Dallas being like this is 48 North, like so to know that someone's not letting things out the door because she has passion, knowledge, she knows weed like anybody. So it was like what better like could we do together? And so that's why we started.

Speaker 2 10:04

OBD other people's spot. I got into this industry to like be with the people that feel like my people, and that was also part of why I tracked down Allison when I found her again but it was really important to me to be with people that I could also have fun with. Like Allison just got back from the dead.

Speaker 1 10:21

As we know, I was there with her a few weeks ago just to be able to like. I'll ask you about that later. We'll get into that later.

Speaker 2 10:29

To be yourself with your people.

Speaker 1 10:31

Oh, I can't. We just figured out that we're allowed to play a little song clips, as long as it's not too much.

Speaker 3 10:38

Oh my God, so we're starting to rock.

Speaker 4 10:40

that it's like eight bars or whatever it is. I don't think this is what it is. You said they played this. There's no way. I think they played it at the Gorge yeah, they did.

Speaker 3 10:49

Somebody Google please?

Speaker 4 10:50

They absolutely played it and it's just a random song to play.

Speaker 3 10:54

They either played it at the Gorge or they played it in New York.

Speaker 1 10:57

She's Amy's saying no, I don't think they played it in New York. They must have played it in the Gorge 100 percent, but they played it.

Speaker 3 11:03

I think they played it in LA too At the beginning of the tour. Which show did?

Speaker 1 11:06

you have the three last shows. Did you go to All of them? You went to all fucking three, I went to.

Speaker 3 11:10

LA, I love you.

Speaker 4 11:12

It's debate of how many last shows there have been, I think, debate of how many last shows the dead and Co, which is to be clear.

Speaker 1 11:19

Yeah, do you have the bracelets on too? Didn't I see those on your smoking effect?

Speaker 4 11:22

I guess everyone was watching on camera.

Speaker 1 11:26

Amy's like she's a child. Now I figured that had been me.

Speaker 3 11:28

Amy's a true tour child, so I'm so new to it. This is really the first time like I probably, like in many years, traveled from one show to another. That's it. It's Gorge.

Speaker 1 11:39

Because we did LA at a different point.

Speaker 3 11:41

And I'm like not ready to be off tour.

Speaker 2 11:44

Yeah, still wearing those bracelets.

Speaker 1 11:46

Is there like a bittersweetness to that? How does that?

Speaker 4 11:48

Of course, it's the last one, but I just thought for somebody that means so much to like.

Speaker 3 11:53

Okay, I cried, for sure, and I think I'll just say that it's one of the things that was hitting me, and maybe it was you know the things that you take at these shows but it was like really felt, and I'm older, old, so I was like flashing back to the like. I don't know, I've already been 13 the first time I saw the dead. They played Kingswood, right.

Speaker 3 12:18

So it was like and then that was things to do, like that I had to see them in the summer. I've been obsessed with the dead longer than I've been obsessed with anything Other than we the coming.

Speaker 1 12:27

Wow, what's your first like high memory of listening to the group of dead. That's a good one.

Speaker 3 12:32

And do you remember what you were smoking?

Speaker 1 12:34

Do you remember what you were smoking? There you go. I see your very own questions. The story is going to take a different direction.

Speaker 3 12:39

But no, what it is is that I listened to the dead and then for a bit let's say a year I'd been listening to the dead. Then I took acid for the first time.

Speaker 4 12:50

And then I was driving home.

Speaker 3 12:52

I was young like I had a license Driving from my ass From the friend's farm that we were at. No no the next day, but you know acid is like, please and please, and so then I was driving home sober and listening to the dead and I could hear the music differently.

Speaker 3 13:11

I know that I've always heard musically differently, since and my connection is just so strong, and so many people's, I think, is so that's what was emotional about the shows for me was just thinking about the journey I've been on because of the band, with the band me myself. I know I'm going to start crying, guys, I've got home at five in the morning. You're crashing it, no I was supposed to go to the New York show.

Speaker 4 13:35

And it was really sad that I couldn't go.

Speaker 1 13:37

I had to be a dad and that's how that goes. But you know, allison wore me.

Speaker 2 13:41

She just said she was like you're going to be a dad, what are you doing?

Speaker 4 13:44

Allison's a mom. She pulled it off.

Speaker 1 13:46

No, but I missed so many years.

Speaker 2 13:48

Like people on the tour were talking about it. I missed so many years. Amy would know I just showed up late. I'm dead to her, did you?

Speaker 3 13:53

see further in this one and that one.

Speaker 2 13:56

I did. I never saw that because I was having kids.

Speaker 1 13:59

Right.

Speaker 2 14:00

But that was a Bob Weir and Rat Dog and a gymnasium.

Speaker 3 14:03

Exactly, she saw, that's the thing Amy has. Yeah, but you too, sean, you saw your final dead show, I guess.

Speaker 1 14:12

I guess. So yeah, no.

Speaker 3 14:13

Dead and Co show.

Speaker 1 14:14

Dead and Co show or not?

Speaker 3 14:16

even because we are all hoping, and the rumor mill that goes around our community.

Speaker 1 14:22

That there will be residencies. I'm sure that makes sense. That's a lot easier. That's not a tour, amy, that's a lot easier. This is the last tour.

Speaker 2 14:29

I know the last tour of this specific band.

Speaker 3 14:32

It was debatable, I was getting so embarrassed. It's like you do a residency in San Francisco for three nights and then a residency.

Speaker 2 14:36

I just don't want it to end, so I'm just going to keep saying that we can dream, guys.

Speaker 3 14:41

I'll keep dreaming. I think there'll be residencies that will all go, and that's what's beautiful about your store. Cosmic Charlie's too is like the energy of the community and that you keep it real and just I don't know how to jump in because I don't know how to articulate it. It's like the fact that you keep the dead alive and you love the dead and the weed and the community.

Speaker 2 15:06

And well, so much of this, what we love started that we don't. People don't know kids. I don't think a lot of bartenders know that. Like Heady Glass, like that was sold on Dead Lot first.

Speaker 3 15:17

So many streams that we love.

Speaker 1 15:19

Like that was made popular by Dead Heads.

Speaker 2 15:22

There's so much intertwined between it's like 60s, 70s Totally. I've got chills talking about it because I wasn't there, but I've heard that you know that's where it all began.

Speaker 1 15:33

Well, yeah, we call it the store Cosmic Charlie's. That was part of it. It's so hard to come up with a name and we always talk about that.

Speaker 4 15:38

No, it's just really funny that I love that you guys all connect through it so well, and obviously I do too, and I do love the guys you are so. I'm not like an avid fan.

Speaker 3 15:47

You can't say that, you can't say that. Well, at least this bit, or at least the person's like where are you now?

Speaker 4 15:54

No, no, I do. I do love the dead, though I know in all seriousness, but it's just not as like dark heart.

Speaker 3 15:59

I love to see it and I think you would be blown away and I really think that we I wish I had known and we would have forced you to do something, because I should have dragged around. Like had, I think, seen the dead a lot when Jerry was alive, wasn't interested after, and then came for the first time on this tour to LA.

Speaker 3 16:17

And at the beginning, yeah, and at his like mantra at the end cause he came to the last shows was like he regrets so badly that he did not go on tour more.

Speaker 1 16:29

There you go. I'm going to pull it back. Well, that was amazing Grateful dead talk and we can go on and on about all that for all name. But so you guys started OVP, but you weren't originally in products, which is where we are today. You guys just launched your other people's pot one of my blood tenders choice to Tiva Miami spice, and I believe there's also, which is exciting, and I'm super excited to talk about that. And your, what is the Indica? You did in Indica as well in a half grand free roll variant.

Speaker 2 16:59

We'll be letting everyone know that very shortly and it's coming out in about a month.

Speaker 1 17:03

So since even now the Indica is later Okay.

Speaker 3 17:06

But then there'll still be the Sativa, then the Sativa and Indica Right. Why?

Speaker 1 17:11

Because that's when they because this is actually one launch, so the OCS has split it into July and August and one of our ski launch in July and one of the next Okay, maybe August is more of an Indica month. That's a funny choice from the OCS. That's funny.

Speaker 3 17:26

No, I think it's, it's. Look, it's a difficult job, I'm sure, to figure out how to be fair and how to do things, and we don't have a lot of data, as we spoke about outside.

Speaker 1 17:36

Okay, enjoy, before this podcast, we can talk about that We'll talk about in the next segment.

Speaker 4 17:41

We'll talk about that. Sure, no, I wondered why. But tender's choice Like was that? Was that something to do with Karma Cup? What?

Speaker 1 17:47

like. What is that? That was a question I had to. Why did I choose the wording but tender's choice?

Speaker 2 17:51

I mean we are. We've been working so closely with bud tenders for the last two years. We are always talking to them about what they love, like the Terps in this it's Farnesee and it's Limani, and these are the most popular Terps that we're seeing across the board. We're surveying, we're asking questions, we're having one-on-one conversations. That's kind of where all of this will always be informed by. For us, we also wanted it to be an ode to the bud tender, just to have people think about the bud tender to put them forward.

Speaker 2 18:20

They are the heartbeat of this industry. It's how I started, it's how I learned everything that I know, and I know that they know more than most, and I think just honoring them is really important to us, and then also, you know it's. It should help people know that we know.

Speaker 1 18:37

Becoming the bud tenders regularly.

Speaker 2 18:39

So whether they're in store or not. Hopefully they know that we're informed, and that's where this is coming from.

Speaker 1 18:43

Well, I think it's. I've had a chance to try it now. It's a great product that we'll see if our nice and clean them taste great.

Speaker 2 18:48

We really liked it.

Speaker 1 18:49

I really enjoyed it. I don't even like Sativa that much. It was great, that's been coming from you.

Speaker 2 18:53

Sean, you're a connoisseur, thank you.

Speaker 3 18:56

I feel like the bud tender and the price is right. Don't forget to mention that, because that was a good thing.

Speaker 1 19:00

Also, the Farnesee so it makes sense that I would be able to like it, and then I think bud tender shorts is a great, and my opinion on it is I think it's good to want bud tender to promote your product, so to put them as a community, on your approval, to give this out to consumers. That makes sense to me. So I think that's what. No one else has done it before, yeah, yeah. So there you go. I think it's like championing bud tenders. We're working with what we've got.

Speaker 3 19:24

Branding wise. Obviously, amy and I have worked in the industry in the US as well, and so the dream to do the packaging that you'd like, even just the fact that we have to use a whole tube for a half gram, is not something that's ideal, but it's true that you need certain sizes of things. Things have to deal with a supply chain that's not a cold supply chain, which is odd because it's perishable. So, like grocery has cold supply chain, we don't, which is nobody's fault. It just takes time for things to evolve.

Speaker 1 19:59

I talk about this all the time. I totally agree with you, so I love that you brought that up, because I think it's it's like not talked about enough. It's produce. Let me refute it, it should be kept in a more cool environment.

Speaker 2 20:10

Let's leave it down for now.

Speaker 1 20:11

I feel like we'll pick that up. I think that's a great thank you for bringing that up, Allison.

Speaker 3 20:15

No problem.

Speaker 1 20:16

You can follow at other people's pot.

Speaker 4 20:18

Yeah Right, check out their pre-rolls we sell them.

Speaker 1 20:21

Check out their pre-rolls. We sell them. The Miami spice pre-rolls are available. Plus, they offer $0,000, $10,000 more on how to make burgers.

Speaker 2 20:30

So as you can see here at the bottom, the bottom's the full oven yes. So let me give you a little bit of.

Speaker 4 20:54

And we are back. We are back Back with shop.

Cold Supply Chain for Cannabis Delivery

Speaker 1 20:57

Cosmic Charlie's 821. Queens 3 West with Other People's Pot Allison Gordon, Amy Weinstein. Hello, Tune in, Welcome back guys. I think we were talking about cold storage supply chains. Cold supply chain. I think Allison had a thought. You thought about this idea a long time ago.

Speaker 3 21:16

I also stole this idea from Bubble man. He taught me that as well.

Speaker 2 21:20

Did he? Okay, cool yeah, Mark Richardson.

Speaker 3 21:22

Yeah, I'm telling you, I called Mark. I still call Mark all the time and I'm like, okay, if we wanted to do something like this, how would you do it? Does it make sense? Would it be something interesting? Does it work? How might you make it?

Speaker 1 21:36

Are there other markets doing it? I feel like you pay more attention to other markets than I do. Maybe you could speak to it. I don't know. I thought that one of you guys said that it's possible.

Speaker 4 21:43

Well, we know they do it for well. Maybe they don't for Rosin, but I mean it's oh in Canada.

Speaker 3 21:48

You're saying we're in the US Anywhere, I mean in the US people could be delivering themselves here in Ontario and in most provinces, I think.

Speaker 1 21:57

Like when the supplier takes care of it, then they will go that extra rigorous step to make that happen.

Speaker 3 22:03

You mean Okay, I guess what I'm saying is I don't know if there are any licensed producers in Canada, if they use a cold truck, so a truck that's refrigerated to ship their product to the OCS. I would assume most don't do that, no, but anyways, it doesn't matter because the. Ocs does not ship with a cold chain, so you're not in a cold chain, so it's very hard for stuff to be fresh.

Speaker 2 22:32

Right right.

Speaker 3 22:33

People are like why does legal stuff make me cough?

Speaker 1 22:37

It's very challenging, yeah. I'm glad that you brought that up and you had a fancy name for it. I'd never heard the term.

Speaker 3 22:44

Cold chain. Cold chain supply whatever, no, it's a cold supply chain, cold supply chain. I don't know, I don't know.

Speaker 2 22:48

Thank you, the supply chain. It gets aimed.

Speaker 3 22:51

What is it? The supply chain, it's how the product gets to the consumer right.

Speaker 2 22:56

So the entire way along like it's like think about seed to sale like it's tracked the same thing, so the whole way it would need to stay cold. That means it's being monitored like the entire time. Right, like in the LP, they're dry, they're in a cold environment, and then it's getting packaged in the right environment.

Speaker 3 23:13

And then it's like just going out into the world in 100 degree heat and how many terpenes do you think are going to be there when it's been sitting in trucks with like no cold storage?

Speaker 1 23:23

I'm sorry, it's nobody's fault it's just you can't go. Save the term Salasen's preaching.

Speaker 2 23:28

I think people end up with drier weed, maybe like a little bit on purpose, because you'd rather that than mold, and if you know it's going to get hot like what are you going to do? Right? You're going to go towards Out a little less humidity, something that's not risky, so I think that's another way that we see that come out.

Speaker 1 23:45

I noticed your pre-rolls had a super fresh package on it, like, yeah, I was super happy with that, like I'm sure you guys are too. Did you go through extra steps to ensure that, or was that part?

Speaker 4 23:54

of the process, or did you just get lucky with somebody as well? Well, we work with WeedMe.

Speaker 2 23:59

They sell a lot of weed and they do a really great job. So being able to like turn over inventory quickly. They're always shipping to the OCS. They have a really great system there and that works really well for us. And that's definitely part of picking a partner is you have to know that they're going to do things properly and that also you're going to get the product that you need at the door. So it's a balance right, because you want it to be packed, you know, not too far in advance, but you also want it to be ready when you need it. So we're very lucky in our partner in that way and it took a lot of work to find them.

Speaker 3 24:32

I think for us, like Cosmic Charlie is in his retailers, like you can help the supply chain in the sense that if you stick with brands and products consistently, then they are getting ordered consistently. They are able to like gauge what you know they need to supply the market. We're just not there. It's like everybody wants to try new things and I get it and we're new and we have a new product. So I hope we're also tried to fill a gap. We were like look, high THC, low price sales. So like we're about the bartenders, we're about the retailers, so OPP, something we do like yes, amy and I are big like stoners, consumers. So one would expect something like really crazy, I N craft, whatever. But it's like no, here's something that's easier for you to sell. But if that breaks through, then you can know that we're going to be able to put fresh stuff in it.

Speaker 2 25:25

You see what I'm saying yeah, yeah, and there's something to be said for like quality. You know, for us, I think we've all smoked this joint now. We smoked it together. You can see it burns beautifully, it does everything that you need a high quality joint to do, and the price points there, and so you know, we're not taking away anything by doing what we're doing, but we're adding value. No, well, that's thanks to Amy, because she tries everything and Amy knows Goodweed.

Speaker 3 25:49

So there's lucky that again I have Amy at my side. If she says it's good, I'm like I don't care. I know you know Goodweed, sean. I'd feel the same way about you. Maybe it was like sick or out of town and we had to pick weed. I would absolutely bring you with as a picker of the weed for the next batch of bartenders choice.

Speaker 1 26:08

Oh wow, thank you so much. You're like a pioneer in trailblazer, so I take that. Yeah but I'm not like a connoisseur.

Speaker 4 26:15

Let's be real, yeah you must be in your own right. Now.

Speaker 3 26:17

I'm old, so it's like here's 60 bucks, here's a plastic bag Like I didn't even think to ask anybody what was in it.

Speaker 2 26:24

Yeah, when you ask like what were you smoking? That day it's like a joint.

Speaker 1 26:27

I am rolling. We got some Georgia pie crossed with jealousy and I was going to roll these guys a little hash hole. We got some poncho farms here A little bit of live rosin poncho farms, that's cool packaging. You guys want to check it out? Yeah, we got a local market. It smells pretty good.

Speaker 2 26:48

The local market.

Speaker 3 26:49

Why does it look like?

Speaker 2 26:50

that.

Speaker 3 26:52

Oh, it's from the local market. It's got a different rosin. It doesn't have that. Just that. Just that. Okay, I was like how come they get to do that?

Speaker 1 26:58

So I figured you did a pretty good job, though have you ever done a donut. You guys want to smoke a little donut.

Speaker 3 27:03

I don't know what you mean, like an infused joint.

Speaker 4 27:06

Yeah, like a live rosin, donut hole or whatever.

Speaker 3 27:08

No, I don't know what that is. A hash hole A hash hole.

Speaker 4 27:11

Did they give you a hard time about, did you guys?

Speaker 3 27:12

just invent all these rules.

Speaker 4 27:14

Your brand on this product.

Speaker 2 27:16

Like what would they have a problem with?

Speaker 4 27:18

Yeah, Well, you know, I've seen a lot of things, but it has this like a fun vibe to it.

Speaker 3 27:24

Oh no, that's fine.

Speaker 2 27:25

There's this misconception in this industry that you're actually not allowed to have fun. But I think you guys know here at Constant.

Speaker 4 27:30

Charlie, while we hold the, I have, of course.

Speaker 2 27:32

That's not true, that's just a remnant a relic of a time where there was not a lot of creativity, because there was just a lot of investors to please. But times have changed. We're having fun. Having fun no investors.

Speaker 4 27:47

Spare luck has the two minutes for mine. It's all yeah.

Speaker 3 27:51

And you guys. I hope too, but I don't know. We, you don't have to talk about that. If you don't want or you can, which Cosmic Charlie's Did you self fund this, or you don't have to talk about it?

Speaker 1 28:02

Oh yeah, I'm very proud to talk about it. Okay, he self-funded this yeah.

Speaker 4 28:06

We even like.

Speaker 1 28:07

Well, we didn't like, don't like selling weed for you know, many years out of the back of my car Amazing.

Speaker 3 28:12

Funded.

Speaker 1 28:12

Cosmic Charlie's for the most part, to be honest.

Speaker 3 28:14

Amazing, both of you together, brothers. Yeah, I didn't.

Speaker 1 28:17

I didn't, charlie was in business school. He's the younger brother, he was doing his own thing and kind of more of the straight and arrow, but at the time no, I'm so creative along that's all good. He chipped in a few chips and we got it done. But yeah, there are no outside investors currently.

Speaker 2 28:32

I'm just kidding John Cudge, john's trusty tool box. I was always proud of that man. Like, no like fuck man.

Speaker 1 28:38

We built Cosmic Charlie.

Speaker 3 28:40

We also painted this whole place and painted the whole goddamn thing and like Remember when you had our dripping OPP and you loved us more.

Speaker 1 28:46

It was love, it was awesome.

Speaker 3 28:48

I love it. That was a great year.

Speaker 4 28:49

It was brother, it was good, I know I want it back.

Speaker 1 28:53

Oh, do you, we'll talk, we'll talk, we'll talk.

Speaker 4 28:55

I mean, it makes sense that we?

Speaker 2 28:56

would love it. Just chip away, it's probably under there still. Yeah, I'm kidding.

Speaker 3 29:00

Like now that we, you'll see, with our merch, we've taken like old merch of ours, old merch of Rando people that gave us merch, and just screening like our dripping or parts of our OPP brand on these shirts because it's like, why not? Like promote both?

Speaker 2 29:17

Yeah, and also like make use of stuff you know, make use of. That's a big part of this too. Like we're, at this point, we're launching this kind of like value product which is obviously very different than where we've been, but it's also a weird culmination of like a lot of years of kind of getting to this point, and that's like what these clothes look like. To me, too, it's kind of like why not reuse and take everything we know?

Speaker 1 29:39

You need merch lines dropping. I missed that.

Speaker 3 29:41

No, no, no.

Speaker 4 29:42

No, no, wait, wait, wait. I can't wait. I love my OPP merch.

Speaker 3 29:46

It turned out so cool that it was like maybe it should be more than just swag, but you know we also want to support people who support us. Like we said earlier that you guys were saying as well, like if something's great or Amy, you said it's it lasts, so it's like wait, these are awesome people would love these Well cool.

Speaker 2 30:02

Family guide t-shirts with like it's fun.

Speaker 3 30:04

We're screening on it. It's like, anyway, I digress somehow.

Speaker 4 30:09

No, it's amazing. Oh my God, look at that Girls. Is that what it's doing? I want to see Sean's technique.

Speaker 1 30:15

So, sean, I put it on my palm and I kind of just make a little worm. You got to be quick.

Speaker 2 30:19

Wow, yeah, you got to be fast, yeah it gets all weird, you guys.

Speaker 1 30:21

isn't it going to get this dangerous?

Speaker 4 30:23

I'm like this what you should have held your fingers on the cold soda. You get your fingers cold.

Speaker 3 30:28

Oh yeah, oh, prototype Prototype. Prototype is a good one.

Speaker 1 30:31

Oh okay, but you got to wipe the. But look, that's a good little worm.

Speaker 3 30:34

The kitchen's mad.

Speaker 1 30:34

And then I actually think I keep making the mistake. I think I didn't realize he's crazy, though you need more.

Speaker 4 30:39

Look at how big the joint is. Okay, well, back to OPT, do you not keep your?

Speaker 3 30:43

rosin in the fridge, or do you, we do? Yeah, you got to.

Speaker 4 30:45

So it's cold, it's cold, but it gets really like sticky, so incredibly fast.

Speaker 3 30:50

It shouldn't be handled like that. I know it's true. I love the brotherly dynamics.

Speaker 4 30:54

That's like the actually smart thing to do. That would be smart yeah.

Speaker 1 30:59

The water works. That was a really good tip. Thank you for that.

Speaker 3 31:02

Let's see.

Speaker 1 31:02

What the cold? Yeah the cold.

Speaker 3 31:06

That's beautiful. Look at that. I think it's okay.

Speaker 4 31:08

Young bug can hold it up.

Speaker 1 31:10

I think it's okay, and then you just kind of oh, there you go.

Speaker 3 31:13

I don't understand, amy does it to the putting the filter in before you roll.

Speaker 4 31:17

I don't know if this is like a Millennial thing.

Speaker 3 31:20

Yes, that's that grateful that's the whole other way of doing it. I don't know Nobody, even like Richard. Richard, you can't see his off camera and off ear he doesn't comment. I think Richard knows that you, like, took the back of your cigarette pack and you rolled the thing and you shoved it in after you rolled it as per the size.

Speaker 4 31:43

Oh for the filter after yeah.

Speaker 2 31:44

Yeah, oh, he does that too, I think you're right, he does that's kind of too difficult, that's easy, I find it so hard.

Speaker 1 31:52

Sean's going to struggle here. I'm very warm guys, no, no, no.

Speaker 4 31:55

Yeah, we're going to have the seminar cover, but it is a little toasty in here. We could go with hot takes. Oh no, don't do a hot take, that's okay. I wanted to know. So like we have.

Speaker 2 32:04

We've launched this. You have such a cool brand.

Speaker 4 32:06

That's like evolved Obviously a lot different than, let's say, 48 North, which you guys have had a huge hand in, right? Is that what you see now for OPP? Like? Obviously different. That was a different time. We were just talking about it with all the money and the mining and the mining, the mining, the mining, the mining.

Speaker 3 32:23

That's what the autobiography industry Well. Ben Kaplan has also already written an amazing book If you can you know, look it up to about the Canadian industry.

Speaker 4 32:35

Oh God, ben don't kill me.

Speaker 3 32:37

Just look up, ben Kaplan.

Speaker 4 32:38

Can it be industry? Yeah, ask him, yeah, ask him.

Speaker 3 32:41

And anyways, it's like a lot of shenanigans there for sure. But yes, with this aim, how did we get to this point?

Speaker 2 32:49

Yeah, With this brand for I think compared to 48 North, like our whole thing when we were building, it was like create something loose, like 48 North was beautiful and it was what kind of like was needed at the time, I think, to get cannabis out there Accepted by certain people we talked to a lot of like grandmothers.

Speaker 2 33:07

It was really cool, but I think this is a lot more fun and we wanted to bring fun back and give it space to. We knew we were going to have clients, we knew that we were going to be using our brand alongside other brands and we just wanted to give it, and ourselves, like, space to breathe and be really creative, and we've definitely done that. I think Alison's aesthetics shine through on our Instagram, which is amazing, and it actually, you know, creates such a strong community and, like people connect really deeply with what we're up to because it's just us.

Speaker 3 33:38

Well, you know, we love our community we have like the best people that come out and support us and it's just like I don't know. I think they see the wackiness and ask like what did you just say before as well? That it's like everybody did this to meet people like themselves. And then they look at, like you know, everyone's a lot younger and so they're like, wow, if these crazy kooks can, you know, do it. And then the crazier, even older kook, then AB can do it.

Speaker 1 34:08

And then you know there is hope in in for me to be in this world forever Creating shit's dope and it must feel so awesome to have created this product and have come from like that sales agency background and I don't know.

Speaker 4 34:22

it's a multi layered you know what they do has so many things and I guess I was just where was I with that thought you were going to ask us.

Speaker 3 34:32

So how did it go from being doing other people's?

Speaker 1 34:36

sales to your own. You guys also right.

Speaker 3 34:38

Yeah, you went from a sales agency to product Other people's products and even actually like events too.

Speaker 4 34:44

And events and we haven't even gotten that.

Speaker 1 34:47

You don't want to ask you about events. How's that going? Well, let's talk. That's new, so I'll let you go for it, yeah.

Speaker 2 34:55

Well, let's. I think that evolution is like yeah, it goes Really interesting and a big part of where the events have kind of come in too, because the events are what bring us back to the community. It's a lot of fun for us. It lets us connect with all of our people all the time, have a space for everyone Like a joke around, like if I had this space when I was in my early 20s, like I don't even know what the fuck would have been going on there.

Speaker 2 35:16

It's like very it's cool to share it with the brands we had, like Great Beard and San Raf and all those brands. It's an amazing event there last week and we had a comedy night with Joey from the Underground the other night, so that space itself is amazing and I think the brand has evolved a lot.

Speaker 2 35:34

Like you know, we've evolved from the sales agency, but that's why we can put out this product Like we learned a lot about the market and what people want and what they don't want, and that's why we call it budtender's choice, because we've surveyed the shit out of these budtenders and talked to them. But then you know, I think we love brands and so we've always felt OPP as a brand, even as a sales agency, and so it felt natural to evolve it this way, and it's where we always want to come back to is the brand OPP.

Speaker 3 36:01

I think it was really hard, like we had this idea from 48 North that when we could just be authentically ourselves and connect with the community and go out there ourselves and listen and talk and have fun with people, that people come to you and it's easier to connect with them than than. Canada is a very big geography with a very small population, so to truly have sales reps on the road is a lot more than the industry, in my opinion, can truly handle, which is why so few are profitable. Our experience at 48 North thanks 150% to Amy as the only person out there in those early years was like, if you can be authentic and you can do your thing and people trust you, you know you can do that. It was a different time. There is a lot of competition, it's really hard and so I don't know where I stand about all these reps or not. But let's not even go there. But for like in terms of like. Whether that you have to do that to be successful or not, I don't know All.

Speaker 3 37:04

I know is for Amy and I it was. It was like we'd learned, as she said, and so much of the community we were leveraging to help our clients because we believed in them and we did that. But then we realized, like you know, what they're doing, their thing, the clients and we have our own ideas about what we think the market wants. We don't expect them to listen to us, whether that's cookies or purple, I mean sorry, they do listen to us. I don't mean it that way, but they're on, they have their own ideas that they're out pursuing.

Speaker 2 37:35

Everybody is purple, they're telling us Cookies are clients at this time.

Speaker 3 37:39

But for us it was like we see this market where people were coming and telling us that there are a lot of people that come into stores. You guys tell me if this happens and they're just kind of like pulling out change or like you know, they just buying a small joint and it's like easy to sell. Ithg joint. That's hopefully close to five dollars at the door.

Speaker 1 38:01

Yeah, yeah Pulled it off. I think you guys had a good idea there.

Speaker 3 38:05

I do think some people do that in Cosmic Charlie's though.

Speaker 1 38:07

Yeah why pull out?

Speaker 4 38:08

change yeah 1000%.

Speaker 1 38:10

What can I?

Speaker 2 38:11

get for this. You're right by the park.

Speaker 1 38:13

Right.

Speaker 3 38:14

Yeah, whether it be a student, I'm happy on all sides of this equation. Everybody's winning, except maybe our pockets, but that's okay, that's okay.

Speaker 4 38:22

Our show runners gave me the stamp of approval. Well, you can't really stamp this, but I'll stamp it for the effect. A smudge job, we are blue. Oh guys, I see that that's so cute.

Speaker 3 38:34

Look, everybody is Sean and Charlie. I think it's a great launch pad the pre-rolled.

Speaker 1 38:39

You guys have like other things.

Speaker 4 38:41

Yeah, what's? I don't know, I don't even share. You mentioned something coming next.

Speaker 2 38:44

It's a long road to market in Ontario as you guys know, but we do have some stuff that will hopefully be coming down the pipe. I don't want to say too much.

Speaker 3 38:53

Okay.

Speaker 2 38:53

Alison will say too much. Yeah, I think that everybody knows that works.

Discussion on Cannabis Infused Products

Speaker 3 38:58

You guys especially, which is like the OCS has, you know however many calls a year and you put in for those calls. And again, I don't envy the job because there's a lot of stuff that comes at them. But you know, I guess, again, when you have a government I call it a monopoly, and that's not an evil thing, it's just the reality. Then if they say no to somebody and yes to you for seven skews, like somebody's business could be over. So I don't even at all envy this position, but that is the reality it could take. Like, for example, with Purple Hell's Aim, like when they were just launching, so we started with. Was it just the one or the two?

Speaker 2 39:36

We started with the lemon pepper batter.

Speaker 4 39:37

They have some of it. Yeah, the Pringies guys muscle, early muscle.

Speaker 2 39:42

It's a hardworking team.

Speaker 3 39:44

It was like their team is awesome, our team was awesome. I remember that and that was a great, you know, like learning experience too, for everybody. I think it like how you can be local and do it. I think Peter really respects the idea that creating buzz and excitement and people want to be part of that authentically. Then they can connect with your brand, which is something that's very hard to do when you're not allowed to market or do anything or make exclusive deals with retailers or anything or anything.

Speaker 4 40:18

Yes, I think before we take a quick break, I don't think the store is quite closed, but just want to remind everyone if they smash the subscribe, they got a chance to win a peak.

Speaker 2 40:28

I think we're going to.

Speaker 4 40:28

this is the two peaks we're going to get the AC going but we're going to spice it up because I think, allison, you run a breast cancer foundation.

Speaker 3 40:37

No, I sit on the board of a breast cancer foundation that I co-founded. Well, MJ like, brought me in to help her build out this thing. But from day one we ran that for many years until it got into weed in 2004.

Speaker 2 40:52

I've met MJ too, and I'll tell you a little about that too, because she's incredible.

Speaker 1 40:57

That's a don't see why we're going to mash donations and we're going to give them to the charity. Oh my God, awesome Rethinkbreastcancercom. They're going to Puffco, and Puffco, of course. Three bucks.

Speaker 3 41:10

Rethinkbreastcancercom, an incredible organization working with young women with breast cancer.

Speaker 1 41:17

Awesome. We'll be right back with other people's spot. Amy J Weinstein, allison Gordon.

Speaker 2 41:22

Thanks guys, sean Charlie.

Speaker 4 41:34

We're back Shop is closed.

Speaker 1 41:36

Officially. Evening night show with other people's pot in the building. Guys, I have no idea what we're talking about. Yeah, we got a little zuded. That's okay, a little bit of a hash hole on the break there that I rolled. Was it jealousy hash? Yeah, with the slaps, Rosanne.

Speaker 3 41:53

That was really good. I don't know why you were so upset about your role.

Speaker 1 41:57

The construction could have been better.

Speaker 2 41:59

I've had seen better ones, but I'm still practicing, so I'm getting better. The hole is off to the side.

Speaker 1 42:04

And you need the true king size. I think we were saying that A lot of people do the king size slim and we have a problem finding them.

Speaker 4 42:10

I don't know if you guys have ever talked to anybody? Yeah, everything is one and a quarter. No, no, no, no. There's like a wider king size.

Speaker 2 42:17

That's not my jam.

Speaker 1 42:18

It's too big, but it's perfect for the hash hole, because then you can spread the flower out farther and then get your water made Right. Right. Right, I get that.

Speaker 3 42:29

Anyways, I'm not like doing fancy, fancy things. I'm more like please, rob, can you pre-roll everything?

Speaker 4 42:37

There you go. Yeah, I'd say more people are going pre-roll than I'm going to be. Oh, more than a traditional, more than an hour?

Speaker 3 42:44

No, I'm saying I'll buy flower Like I buy pre-rolls for sure.

Speaker 2 42:48

Oh yeah, you're partying to roll it, but otherwise there's flower.

Speaker 3 42:52

He's always pre-rolled, pre-rolling. It's like a blessing from God.

Speaker 1 42:57

Do you fuck with other infused Allison or do you feel like?

Speaker 3 43:01

I do Like actually if I'm buying. I'll buy some of the infused stuff and then I think it's gone and maybe better or something. There was a point that I was sure that it was like killing me.

Speaker 4 43:11

Okay, like the fruity ones.

Speaker 1 43:13

Yeah, but then I think Like more of the chirp ones, the chirp infused as opposed to the more hash infused but will hash all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 3 43:19

I don't think I'd buy that. I don't know. Do I aim I?

Speaker 2 43:23

don't think so Okay.

Speaker 4 43:24

Fair enough there what's really popular, which is kind of I don't know. Yeah, it's not a DASC.

Speaker 1 43:28

I know you travel which one, which one. The fruity ones, the general admission ones are really popular.

Speaker 2 43:32

You don't need to name any by name.

Speaker 1 43:33

We started no not at all the distillate infused ones.

Speaker 2 43:36

We had a moment.

Speaker 3 43:37

Okay, but, by the way. So I was in Oregon on this trip that we were talking about the Grateful Dead and my friend Ian, amy's friend Ian, our friend Ian, and Anya you know Anya because you have her broccoli stuff. Anya started broccoli magazine, yeah, and Ian was part of the 48 North family. We had done a deal with him, but before everything and he's awesome and anyway, nobody, I don't even want to give it away, ian, please.

Flavored Infused Joints and Controversy

Speaker 3 44:04

I told you to do it quickly, okay, but nobody is doing or very few, but really nobody, and I checked because we did like road trip down there. Flavored infused joints, oh wow.

Speaker 4 44:16

And I told them I'm like, oh my god it's the biggest thing.

Speaker 3 44:18

He was like I don't even know how we didn't do this. This is like I'm embarrassed, like low-hanging fruit. I'm like got this in market now.

Speaker 2 44:24

It's like a huge chunk of the market. Now it is. Can you imagine they?

Speaker 3 44:29

have tons of flavor infused rosin resin, distillate bubba-bibbing, that's like a huge thing in their market. Nobody thought to like do that pre-roll Interesting Weird. But don't forget organs, like four million people and they're like.

Speaker 2 44:46

Maybe they're more like traditional.

Speaker 4 44:49

Maybe, they think it's weird, like I think it's a point of controversy.

Speaker 3 44:52

No, they're gonna like it. I think they're gonna kill it.

Speaker 4 44:55

It's hard not to like it at first, but then I.

Speaker 3 44:57

But nobody did it, like it's just has to be done, yeah, and you won't really get into those it's the mass consumer, though, like we just forget, there's a big chunk of people that just want that.

Speaker 2 45:09

Guys, you don't understand all of my friends.

Speaker 3 45:12

They love them Exclusively by flavor infused. They're not naming names just because you said not to name names. But I'm like, oh no, you're gonna see it, it's gonna hurt your throat. And then like, no, they're consistently, this is what they're looking for, can we?

Speaker 1 45:28

say this Like I feel like what I don't understand is that, in a world where we're all trying to get to like eating better food and putting better things in our body and like what, does it make sense that, like we should taste like weed, it shouldn't taste like strawberries and fucking?

Speaker 4 45:42

I don't know, that's unnatural I just don't think that's the general public.

Speaker 1 45:45

I don't know how people can make that connection that you're putting something unnatural in your body, that's not fucking strawberries.

Speaker 2 45:52

That's all I'm saying, I just think that people like to want to want natural things, but if you look at like data, probably from a grocery store like I just don't know that that translates no, no, I don't think people don't.

Speaker 3 46:02

And when they learn about things. I think we could all, if we weren't stoned, come up with like a good amount of examples of when people learn like kombuja isn't healthy or whatever it is. You see people turn on things like they weren't educated to it. So it's not a bad point that it's kind of crazy to inhale anything, obviously. But if you're going to do it with weed, then like why are you adding like unknown botanical turps that are in your cleaner but at the same time, it's like botanical turps?

Speaker 1 46:35

I don't know, like beyond the meat, got all crazy and everybody realized like why do I want to eat some weird thing that tastes like beef and it's just weird. Like I just Maybe it's the data, the meat and stuff Like I feel like I kind of equate that to the turp infused weird pre-rules.

Speaker 4 46:51

I think is. Is that bad to be on me? You can't beef with the vegetable the process.

Speaker 1 47:14

So we're trying to get away from process shit and to me and you're adding all those weird fucking botanical terpenes that aren't cannabis or right, and then you're smoking them at high levels. From my understanding, is high Concentration. They are themselves solvents, terpenes some can be right.

Speaker 2 47:32

Yeah, my understanding especially.

Speaker 4 47:40

It's undeniable, though that is what I think we're spreading misinformation.

Speaker 3 47:47

Whether, like someone might say, are you an idiot like that's pointing at this like ratio of a book of bazillion? No. I think there's also have more of that when you eat an almond?

Speaker 1 47:58

no, there's a lot of conversation around concentration Called called tiger blood and I'm not gonna name the company.

Speaker 4 48:12

I think we all know who it is but they put a high concentration of this terpene called tigers blood and apparently In high.

Speaker 1 48:21

Anyways, I'm just saying it's not good for you, not, not. Not Sean and Charlie approved either. I'm just gonna say your idea.

Speaker 3 48:33

Sean could be a hundred percent correct and could be a hundred percent wrong, and I'd be like we don't interesting.

Speaker 1 48:39

I.

Speaker 4 48:42

Have no idea.

Speaker 3 48:47

Like I'm ashamed to say, but I don't really know what. Like I don't know.

Speaker 1 48:51

Hmm.

Speaker 2 48:52

I also think we have to remember, at the end of the day, these are like avenues to getting high, which is, I think, you know they give me a headache to.

Speaker 3 49:00

I don't, but you got a little one so you be a straight headache, so I hope this is what gives you.

Speaker 1 49:05

Combusting it. Combusting distillate on a pre-roll of the general.

Speaker 3 49:09

Would you be okay with a non-dysolate flavored infused pre-roll?

Speaker 2 49:17

No, no, but you. What you're talking about is the terpene, the botanical Terps.

Speaker 1 49:21

Added that aren't natural to the plant.

Speaker 2 49:24

Yeah, that's not distilled, that is, it doesn't have to be distilled.

Speaker 3 49:27

So I'm trying to understand it it's distilled to give you a headache, or the people he used.

Speaker 1 49:33

Flavor.

Speaker 3 49:34

Without like.

Speaker 1 49:36

Let's be honest, the peach rings tastes like you're smoking a fuzzy peach. No Weed, but there's no way. From that we don't know if he's getting a Stopping a fuzzy peach in your bomb and lighting it on fire.

Speaker 4 49:54

Well, basically, yeah, sean's just saying he doesn't like.

Speaker 3 49:57

I got a John like it's. You're not wrong. Like, hopefully, people. I like to a place where they. Listen, it's like this rocker.

Speaker 2 50:08

Oh it's never, gonna last and here it is. I. I think people you know we've all been selling also in this market like you don't get a lot of questions about ingredients In BC we got more like I've been selling there too, and but here people don't ask a lot of questions. They're assuming it's health Canada regulated, here it is, it's in a store I'm gonna buy it.

Speaker 4 50:27

It is funny. I do go out of my way to try to transfer to other other things, like when I'm talking to people, but I, you're right, I don't know the actual results and I shouldn't make any comment about it at all, really necessarily. But when you're selling it it's like, okay, this gives you that, like I don't even know what it is, you know, headache or whatever.

Speaker 1 50:46

Mm-hmm, that's my. I know some people love them High.

Speaker 2 50:54

That's it and same with like diamonds in that capacity if you just smoke straight diamonds, yeah cannabis terpenes and like other terpenes, because the cannabis terpenes tell the THC where to go in your body and that's why you feel a Certain way and why you feel get certain effects. So when you don't have those terpenes to Tell your like receptors to open up, receive the THC, it just I don't know.

Speaker 1 51:18

I imagine Like no way. Yeah, no, I'd. Hopefully, as the market matures, it'll change a little bit. And I guess it's like, you know, when you're young and you just drink high alcohol and you booze it hard and you get fucked up. It's kind of like, I guess people I feel like a lot of people that are just getting to know cannabis, so like drinking, they have your clear, so to speak, and no, it's not like a white claw, but I just want to go.

Speaker 4 51:40

I mean, yeah, cosmals sold alcohol on the planet. I'm pretty sure.

Speaker 1 51:44

I thought so juice, get any of the things. Well, I might not get it, we could get that fact check.

Speaker 4 51:48

But it's up anyways like just to take it by storm.

Speaker 3 51:51

What I want to say is like, as people like Amy have been selling weed, medically right, so you see the progression, it's not like you didn't have consumers. Even with what I did in California In the medical time there in California and Amy also did in California and here in Ontario, it's like you did see that evolution of people coming in for price and moving up. But I don't know, like I don't know. I mean it's a different world in so many ways and you hope that people get educated and they'd love the taste of great weed, because we all know great weed, it's great and doesn't need to be flavored. But so many things have to make that viable in the market. And if you think about it, like with our products, like I mean I can't say exactly, but estimated, you know we make 20 cents a joint. It's like that's what it is. We want something that's affordable for everybody and you hope that that can move, but that only gives you so much money to buy Right weed and do these things.

Speaker 1 52:51

And so it's like in market and do all this other stuff. Yeah, right.

Speaker 3 52:55

So it's. It's a very hard market and to get to the quality that like look at pop and Barkley in California Like they're putting out live resin gummies that are not botanically infused, like it's live resin. I know they taste amazing, because sourcing cultivars that have like a huge proportion of limonene and like being in Humboldt and all that stuff like it's just a different, different Market in our market too.

Speaker 4 53:21

So that's why I don't know what maybe that contributes to why they don't have them yet.

Speaker 3 53:25

But right, as you were just in Oregon, maybe, but they do have a lot of flavored vape, so it doesn't explain the whole thing right. So you know it's cuz. Oregon to me is like a mini Ontario, more beautiful and has a coast and but Love, ontario.

Speaker 4 53:41

I feel like they're just so far ahead in a way, or matured. Maybe and maybe they know well, maybe they don't.

Speaker 2 53:46

I think we have a really unique retail market. Cuz for sure like legalization, and yeah, just happened in a very different way than anywhere else, like people flowed through here, they didn't really the government monopolies it.

Speaker 1 53:59

Weird dynamic to think so it is it is.

Speaker 4 54:03

It's only like that in Ontario on a few other, I guess. Come back.

Speaker 1 54:10

Distribution most of the provinces they've let us fly in somewhat, yeah, right.

Speaker 3 54:14

Yeah, yeah. It's like I don't know. Look, I think we're in the early still in the early early stages. We don't even really know what it's gonna look like. I don't imagine. Although we see things happening with chains, like fire and flower, and you're like, okay, what does that mean? And it's like change is just gonna keep happening every year. It's like next year of the year is that you know everything's gonna shake out. I'm like, I feel like we've been saying this.

Speaker 4 54:40

So how many shakeouts can you survive?

Speaker 1 54:43

Yeah, yeah, we've been here. This for a long time means you're always joke about the like the shakeouts coming, man.

Speaker 3 54:48

The next time I'm 23, shake out here.

Speaker 1 54:51

They're probably while there is kind of a their house. Yeah, slow, steady shake.

Speaker 2 54:58

Well, but we still hang around what we like to say is anyone you know, if you're still here, then you really clearly, and it's challenging, so yeah, it's fun when you make it fun with your friends.

Speaker 1 55:13

Yeah, exactly my that you guys are doing an event space to. We kind of touch on that briefly. Yeah you want to talk about just kind of my days or anything coming up. That's fun, that I don't know.

Speaker 2 55:22

Well, it's available, it's available.

Speaker 3 55:26

Consumption space in a warehouse, gary, so it's a great location and we just like have a lot of fun there and there's a great community of people that love to come out. So it's like a plus plus because if you like rent it, then generally we're happy to put it out there and you know we're hustling everywhere we can especially like it's unique to be Women in this industry as. Long as we have been. It's been a real journey, I think.

Speaker 1 55:54

What's that been like, guys?

Speaker 2 55:56

I'm. I feel lucky because I get to work with Allison and I've watched. You know a lot of people See her as they shut, as like a major leader for women to find their place in this industry and Working with her. I think the reality is it's actually is difficult and it's hard to admit it, because when you're a woman, you just want everything. You know you want to be one of the boys, but, yeah, there's challenges and it's probably a little bit harder, but we also, we make it work. What do you know?

Speaker 3 56:23

I don't know it's like. This has been a weird like it's different levels of it. I think when I started in 2014, it was like Conferences would be 45 people, you know, I don't there was no lift or anything like this. It was banking conferences and I truly was. There was no women. And then, you know, corporate came in and all of that stuff happened and but there was just a culture and there's always been a thing in cannabis culture. Like I remember like going to high times cannabis cup in 2014 in Denver, I think it was, and there was like booth babes and booth.

Speaker 3 57:02

It's evolved from that, which is great.

Speaker 2 57:05

Legacy, like there are amazing women who came from.

Speaker 1 57:08

We've got.

Speaker 2 57:09

You know, amy, anonymous, it's Sarah Sunday.

Speaker 1 57:11

Tracy.

Speaker 3 57:12

Curley.

Speaker 2 57:15

Cannabis is a female plant. Women have always been there to like help people understand the plan to get through it. But I think and for me, like I don't really yeah, I definitely face more challenges in the legal side. I think then the legacy there, safety issues, there's other issues in the legacy side, but right, when you get to business, I don't know that that's like just a cannabis thing. I think it's. It's interesting to be a woman and you kind of see, yet slapped in the face with the reality a little bit. But it's also just another challenge and, like this industry, it's all. It's all another challenge. So we're ready to. You know, we have fun, it doesn't matter, yeah, it doesn't stop us.

Speaker 1 57:50

Yeah, I bloomed and really like transformed a chameleon and made it work, and you guys are still around and doing dope-ass shit, so pat yourselves on the back. Yeah, I think we'll take a moment for that.

Speaker 3 58:08

Yeah, but it's, it's definitely a journey. I'm sure you guys feel the same way.

Speaker 4 58:13

Yeah, I mean, wow, ours is a little more attached to the space, I guess. But yeah, we've come a long way as well, we've come a long way, things are still growing.

Speaker 1 58:22

In fact, we want it. Well, we're gonna grow, we're on our way. We're trying to figure out another location I think I've said that before and maybe franchise. Anybody's interested? Come on.

Speaker 2 58:31

Oh yeah, I mean it's an amazing brand, like there's not a lot of brands that have this kind of yeah.

Speaker 3 58:36

So it's just to like, get your knowledge and know how, like. Obviously there's immense value to that and what comes like, and that has to come with an expense, but the expense is worth it because your lessons have been learned right and so you have a sense and there is, I don't know, some buying power. I guess, yeah, I guess, like two is better, like you know.

Speaker 4 58:57

For it helps you want to stay like nimble yeah, smaller locations I mean.

Speaker 1 59:03

I'm always blown away with how many people know what Cosmo Charlie's is and I'm always really proud of that and the people that walk through the door like, yeah, I've seen you guys and I know who you are and I've been following you and I'm from, like you know, nelson, bc or Um, saskatoon, north Bay, ontario.

Speaker 4 59:21

Some.

Speaker 1 59:22

Joker that was from Detroit and did research on us and was a good doing a trip to Toronto.

Speaker 4 59:26

And so Came and said goodbye the British guy. He was coming here. Yeah, I feel like.

Speaker 3 59:37

I've had a few stories with that one.

Appreciation for a Creative Space

Speaker 1 59:38

They're like I found your brand, I was connected to it. I moved into the neighborhood and you're just the spot, and then they say bye and they move on their way and it kind of reminds Me of Cosmo Charlie's in a way. Like you know, I travel with the band and then eventually you got to go home, you know totally. Yeah, that's true, that's funny. We stay, we hopefully grow this thing. We're like, we're thinking like the Cosmo Charlie satellite, you know yeah, you're gonna drop weed from space, yeah.

Speaker 1 1:00:09

Yeah, coming in from Pluto or Mars.

Speaker 2 1:00:14

Well, I want to say, like I've been watching you guys and you guys are killing it, it is so cool to see our friends create something so beautiful like. When I saw this space and what it was gonna look like, I was blown away. You're obviously the spot. Nobody knows we'd like you, but thank you, this has been really fun so yeah, I think we were a nice little package, I guess.

Speaker 1 1:00:33

yeah, I was like oh, is there something I forgot?

Speaker 3 1:00:35

and no, you guys are always hard to say. I just don't know. I have a.

Speaker 1 1:00:39

Really interpersonal podcast with you guys. It felt really special tonight, so thanks for going. Thank you, yeah, we do go out there and buy Because, coming what's the indica? Quickly the strain.

Speaker 4 1:00:58

You shouldn't say you aren't even listening.

Speaker 1 1:01:00

He wasn't even listening earlier. He just forgot Smash the follow button. I like that one.

Speaker 3 1:01:06

Oh, other, we said other people's potcom, yep yeah.

Speaker 4 1:01:11

I am his face by the joints. Love you guys. Thank you, thank you.

Speaker 2 1:01:46

You.