Family, Flowers & Flavour: Season 3 Premiere - Rosin Heads!

How does parenthood reshape your relationship with cannabis? Hear firsthand from Charlie, as he navigates the challenges of being a new father while managing a thriving business, and Sean's perspective on becoming an uncle. We'll share our experiences balancing family life with our entrepreneurial responsibilities, from maintaining high production standards for our podcast to reconnecting with our community at our recent anniversary party. Expect insights into the rollercoaster of emotions and the resilience needed to keep pushing forward in both personal and professional arenas.

We're thrilled to reconnect with a guest from season one, and proud to welcome our New Title Sponsor Rosin Heads and Todd Neault, now launching a new cannabis flower line branded as "Peanut Butter and Jelly." 

Ever wondered about the intricacies of edibles packaging and the industry's evolving trends? Join us as we break down the measures and the unintended consequence of increased waste. We'll share our thoughts on the latest products like strawberry banana sauce rosin gummies and Mango Sapphire dabs, and discuss the effectiveness of the Puffco device for discreet consumption. Plus, an inside look at potential regulatory changes on the horizon and our personal experiences with Puffco's customer support.

Get an exclusive behind-the-scenes look at the meticulous process of sourcing high-quality strains and the thoughtful strategy of releasing one standout product each quarter. Our conversation covers the ups and downs of industry regulations, brand strategy, and the relentless pursuit of flavor consistency in rosin and edibles. From navigating compliance to handling social media censorship, we uncover the complexities and rewards of standing out in the competitive cannabis market.

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

Minus 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, main engine start 4, 3, 2, 1. I'm Sean, I'm Charlie, and this is Higher Orbit. Passage of time. My friend, the passage of time, it time been a minute for sure. Yeah, it feels weird, but also not I don't know it feels good good to see you, man.

Speaker 1: 0:34

Yeah, man, absolutely. We just uh, coming back off celebrating three years of business, three years of business and you becoming a father and me an uncle, and that was pretty dope and we, we took that time off to be with family and well, we're in the store still too, and that's been picking up and that's good as well. But yeah, what's it like? How's it been being a father, charlie, and has it changed your relationship with cannabis at all being a parent? Well, it's funny you say that in the immediate, a little more coffee, a little more weed smoking and then less sleep. So it's like I don't know if it helps counterbalance it at all.

Speaker 2: 1:10

That makes sense to me.

Speaker 1: 1:12

And then like, yeah, you do sprinkle in being the business owner and it's fucked, but it's in the best way possible, energizing, and, as you know, we're both, of course, mutually uncles to each other's child. Yes, um, so similar uh experience that I'm sure you've gone through.

Speaker 1: 1:31

So it was something I had in the back of my head and I knew that when we came back I was going to ask you that because it's some time had passed and obviously maybe you've absorbed it now. You're a dad and I know that sometimes I I like think about my own consumption too a little bit more now, because Reese is around and my little son is there and I want to be more present. So sometimes I choose not to consume. And yeah, it was just something I thought about asking you. I'm sure you'll report back as it kind of develops. Remember, you can watch every episode of Higher Orbit on YouTube. Make sure you subscribe and follow us on Instagram at Higher Orbit as well. Thanks everybody for joining us today. It was kind of a journey to be here.

Speaker 2: 2:07

We have a new sponsor which I'm going to leave you hanging. I mean, I guess if you're watching it right now, you're probably might get the hints.

Speaker 1: 2:13

You might catch the hints, but it's been a challenge to obviously put on this kind of level of production and shout out to our producer, Richard. He couldn't be here tonight. Hopefully he's feeling okay. Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 1: 2:24

Love you, richard, thanks for making this happen and helping us find a new sponsor. But obviously, yeah, we try and keep a high standard of production and made sure that our podcast is one of the best in the industry and keep you up to date Like we literally work in the store downtown Toronto, right by Trini Bellwoods Broadcast from the back of the shop. It's funny because whenever people are like where's the podcast studio and a lot of people forget that it's back here, and or when they come here they're like, well, it doesn't look like the store is open.

Speaker 1: 2:54

The store is open, we're hustling deliveries right now Shout out Luis Luis retains, probably. So you know, it's been a challenge and we're really happy to be back and we're really proud to have a new uh title sponsor for season three. Absolutely, we appreciate all our guests, that's for sure. Uh guests, whoever supports us, everyone who uh listens here or there, um, definitely appreciate you. Yeah, um, the party was awesome too. We managed to obviously cyrus.

Speaker 1: 3:23

Um, thank you so much to the Loud Plug for sponsoring our third year anniversary party that we had at Three Monks and a Duck, which is a local bar and restaurant, and thank you to the Queen Ice community for showing up and we appreciate you. That was a lot of fun. Yeah, absolutely, benny Bluntos Wild Gummies, benny Bluntos, were flowing. Yeah, it was. So. Those fried chicken sammies I think I had like three of those. They were very good. And the ice cream you know I can't have the good anymore, but for sure, yeah, that was definitely special and nice to have everyone out. And again, yeah, just appreciate all the support we've had. Yeah, I think it's surreal to get here. Well, being a, I think, being an entrepreneur in any industry, it'd be something to celebrate, being a business for three years, but then, especially, uh, the, the layer of us being in cannabis and, uh, legal cannabis, and um, it's definitely something to pat yourself on the back for, buddy. It's really too bad that place, uh, north north egg.

Speaker 1: 4:19

There was no good sorry, which I don't follow sorry the place, what we were looking for, another store location and there was a place. It was whatever. It was a long shot, I guess. Oh yeah, anyways, private school I digress. Private school, private school, yeah Sucks. Yeah, you get blocked. Yeah, man search continues. It's okay. Better slow motion than no motion and we will find our new home for Cosmic Charlies 2 and the time cops.

Speaker 1: 4:44

Yeah, it's been, it's been really hard to kind of keep up and, uh, keep it going in a sense. Sorry, I feel like it was just, you know, it's things slow down, of course, when you start a family and then, but everything must go Like. We got to get the ice cream bike out, we got to keep it going. It's so hard. Uh, yeah man, uh, yeah man. You gotta find a way to force through. I feel invigorated by it being summer, though, and, um, I don't know, just something in the air, right, something in the uh, I hope so.

Speaker 1: 5:10

I'm trying to understand after, because I mean, within all that we celebrating three years, there was all these cannabis events and shows, and it was like hard to put my finger on where the industry like stands and what it's like identity kind of is. In my opinion, I feel like there's so many brands and it's just like overwhelmed and cannibalized itself, in ontario at least. Yeah, I don't know what your thoughts are on that, but, um, it's just weird to see, like, where you know where where is it going? I mean, yeah, that's a good point. I would probably say about oh man, it's hard to put like a finite number on it.

Speaker 1: 5:43

But, like, I don know, like at least a quarter of the brands that like were around when we started probably don't exist anymore, whether they're retail or or licensed producer brands or, um, I don't know or they've rebranded and it's not. That brand doesn't exist anymore. Um, so I don't know, man, I guess it's been, it's been, it's been a weird time. Yeah, it's interesting to see. I mean, there's so many things, it's so hard to keep up. That's all I mean. Any thoughts on. I was pretty impressed, I will say, with the regulatory changes that have been put forth by Health Canada.

Speaker 1: 6:14

I guess, did you have a chance to read over those, charlie?

Speaker 2: 6:16

I don't know them in detail.

Speaker 1: 6:18

Well, the major ones being the see-through packaging, I guess, right, so like you'll be able to see, not smell, the flower yet, but I guess the theory would be there would be a window on your Mylar or on your glass where you can actually see the flower before you buy it. That's a pretty large improvement, so that's a pretty big step forward. That being said, that's not guaranteed, though, is it.

Speaker 1: 6:41

No, no, no, no I mean, you know, it's a recommendation from Health Canada, so they're the ones that do have the big influence on the decision makers. So I still think that it's good, because I don't think anybody thought that that was going to happen and I don't think anybody thought I believe we might be able to talk about this a little bit more in the next segment, because I know that he knows a lot more about the regulatory burdens of the edibles than I do, but that you're gonna be able to have more than 10 milligrams of package. I think it's like 10 milligram. It's like you're gonna have to have childproof packages within a bigger childproof package.

Speaker 1: 7:18

Does that make sense to you? Okay, which I recall, I think, when I went to Portland. It was something similar to that. It was these little tiny packages and they were like giant THC symbol on it and you basically had to cut them open with the scissors. You couldn't get them open with, like, your hands. You know what I mean. You know what I'm talking about. So, like, almost like you ever had, like it's going to be more waste and more packaging.

Speaker 1: 7:38

Yeah, there's like certain, like little cake desserts that are like packaged within it. I know what you mean. I can understand what you're saying.

Speaker 1: 7:43

You follow what I'm saying Exactly, when you buy another kind of product, good, and it comes in individually, small, fun size, that would again be a big improvement too. Bites, yeah, you know, but again, you could still buy your package of 10 gummies. Anyways, you follow what I'm trying to say? Yeah, yeah, no, absolutely. Anyways, you follow what I'm trying to say, yeah, yeah, no, absolutely. That would be huge. I mean, yeah, edibles are sneaky. I feel like I've been like kind of having a few more edibles and they make your tolerance go through the roof. They do. They definitely don't help. Um, but you know, uh, what have you been eating? What kind of edibles? Uh, just random shit here and there. Like, what did I try? I tried those strawberry banana um sauce. Rosen lab guys made something oh they finally how.

Speaker 1: 8:23

The rose chocolates. You know stuff that we need to get rid of. How are the sauce rosin gummies? It was good. Tastes like strawberry banana smoothie, I guess. A little minimal wheat taste. It has rosin in it. I guess has a salt and rosin in it. All right, the effects are kind of like yeah, they're good, they're pretty good.

Speaker 2: 8:43

I. The effects are kind of like yeah, they're good, they're pretty good.

Speaker 1: 8:45

I do like those guys I was working on. We tried their Point Break Seasonal Rosin or whatever.

Speaker 2: 8:51

Did you look at it, yet it smells really nice, it's very clear, is it not?

Speaker 1: 8:53

It's like, yeah, it's got a really nice color to it and I don't know it dabs really nicely. I've also been dabbing on this Mango Sapphire, the dab collection by Rosenhutts. Oh yeah, that tasted delicious. Tastes really good, right. Yeah, you definitely need a hot knife for this batch though it's pretty sticky, I don't mind it but you need a tool required. It's kind of difficult to deal with, but it was super yummy, delicious, really clean. Did you see that one? Yeah, I think I definitely had some. Nice, I got a Puffco. That's big news in my development.

Speaker 2: 9:30

Yeah, I guess so.

Speaker 1: 9:31

I had a. What was it? Oh yeah, I guess the last time I had a Puffco was the original peak, or whatever.

Speaker 1: 9:38

I think, it's kicking around somewhere it is. Yeah, it stopped working on me and I kind of realized I was like I don't know if I want to spend this much money and is it really worth the extra? And like, anyways, I finally made the investment and I got the hot knife too and yeah, I'm happy. I'm not, yeah, I'm really happy. I feel like as a dad. Now. It's like digital dabs are just the way to go.

Speaker 1: 9:59

Fair enough, less time, time like busting out a j or like oh, it's so fast, it's also so fast the time now that you're quick with like in the hot, like the one, until it's like boom, boom, click, click, yes, and then off you go, like I will admit it's been. Uh, it's just efficient, time wise. Yeah, does that make sense? Yeah, no, no, now I'm sure you know you're juggling everything, everything. You got this, you got that. You only have like 30 seconds to sneak away and have a quick dab. Yeah, you know what I mean, dad. Yeah, you know what I mean, dad. V-top, I guess that's way more, it's way better than a rig, that's for sure. Yeah, it's just, it's, it's smooth. Yeah, take good care of that bad boy. Yeah, I am going to. I'm trying my best. Um, I'll keep you posted.

Speaker 1: 10:53

There's like a whole um, yeah, I'm gonna watch. There's like a youtube and like a guide and apparently they have. Uh, well, we have like. Yeah, we have lots of dabs in store, by the way. But, um, I met that that customer who had done 35 000abs, which I'm sure people have done way more, but they had the app tracking it. Tracking it. Yeah, how many atomizers they've gone through, I need to ask. But they said that they're so chill that if you ever have any issue within 30 days with your receipt, they usually send you a new one, no questions asked. Oh, that's pretty cool well the itemizer.

Speaker 1: 11:27

They're expensive, yeah, so they better, man, damn. So if you ever have an issue within 30 days so you go to puff, go, they should hook you up. I don't know, maybe don't quote me on it, but that's uh. You know, that's cool, yeah, man, yeah um any other regulatory changes.

Speaker 1: 11:43

No, that was a little bit of the big ones I wanted to go over with you with. I'll be shocked when they do the edible thing. I think that'd be great. I was just thinking about, like how cool it would be to buy like a master case as a unique single skew Like we have. It's funny. We have those little vortex gummies that kind of look like little boogers. It's funny. I've literally been selling them as such little sugar boogers, Sugar boogers. It actually works. The vortex capsules or whatever they're called yeah the 200 milligrams in a bag.

Speaker 1: 12:12

Yeah, I like the rosin drops better. There's no sugar, right? The rosin drops are way better for our superior product. But people do like the little. They like candies. It's so weird.

Speaker 2: 12:22

Yeah, they're full of sugar.

Speaker 1: 12:24

I did. I did want to pay attention. I noticed that I think they're talking about outlawing, like, flavored tobacco vapes, and I feel like, if that happens, like how far behind Can this get shredded? I don't know.

Speaker 2: 12:36

I think it's just going to be different. No, it's just going to be different.

Speaker 1: 12:51

It's just so bad for you. I just feel like, why is it? I don't know. Am I wrong?

Speaker 2: 12:55

I don't I don't know I'm convinced.

Speaker 1: 12:57

I'm convinced. And if it allows for a lot of fraudulent, weird stuff too, yeah, things that are like live resin, there was a funny thing Today a rep came in today and this was a funny one and they had this like high terp CBD hemp flower Okay, I'm not going to name who it is and then they're like we dusted it with keef from the other flower to give it the. It actually did smell really good, but I didn't know how.

Speaker 2: 13:25

I felt about it. They dusted it with keef.

Speaker 1: 13:28

They dusted it with the keef From their like terpene rich flower and something about a loophole, because they got it above 1% and so it was taxed differently, and I just didn't know this. I think this is like a perfect. Even though this is like a more minor fraud, I understand it still kind of is like a fraud and I feel like a lot of fraud goes on in our industry.

Speaker 1: 13:49

Yeah, definitely, man, yeah, absolutely, yeah, yeah. Well, I don't think that they'll go after that. I've noticed so many new disposable vapes and I'm worried that that's the way that the market is going.

Speaker 2: 14:02

Oh, probably that's pretty brutal way that the market is going.

Speaker 1: 14:09

oh, probably increase brutal, yeah, increased, uh, like waste and and yeah, whether it's those shitty rizzlers or the blinker or whatever, the fuck, oh my god, this is so bad, gross. Yeah, I saw a photo of one of those rizzler like infused joints and it looked really bad. It looked even bad. I don't know if you remember that, not really the good supply ones, oh, yeah, they're all brown.

Speaker 1: 14:27

It looked kind of like that, but like, even worse, Like I don't know man, yeah, yeah, there's, I'm not down. I feel like you almost even for me anyways, as a consumer like, even though it's like it's not food, you're still consuming it. The craze for like your eyes first right. The craze for novelty, I kind of get it, but it's like so bad, it's just bad. Oh, where we are with the craze for novelty. Yeah, and well, I'm sad.

Speaker 2: 14:55

For instance, we didn't get the cross joints. They're probably shit. They're probably terrible. It would have been great to sell.

Speaker 1: 14:58

They would have been great to sell and they would have been expensive. Now I think, I think black market did that, market did a cross joint originally to be honest.

Speaker 2: 15:09

A true innovation.

Speaker 1: 15:09

That being said, I mean they would have sold it. I remember when we had they were terrible, they were gold. Well, you know what. We've talked about that the gold raft, Jay, I think someone bought all of them. Which one? The 24 karat gold. It was like gold raft, it was an old skew. It was a Christmas skew, it was a Christmas stocking. You're worried about it. Someone bought them all. Somebody bought all of them. I think. One thing, one purchase, which is really funny.

Speaker 1: 15:41

I also find it funny when somebody came in and bought an entire I'll take all your kin slips it was like $400. It was crazy man. I was like, okay, I mean I'm not going to question it, but there is a nice little spot for some novelty products. But some are so strange, like what were weird ones? I saw there was pop rocks.

Speaker 2: 16:02

Oh, there is, yeah there's also, what's up with the wine gums that aren't wine gums, man? I saw there was Pop Rocks. Oh, there is. Yeah, there's also. What company is Pop Rocks? What's up with the?

Speaker 1: 16:06

wine gums that aren't wine gums, man.

Speaker 2: 16:09

Oh, we do have to call that out. What is that? Those are delicious whatever they are. They were like those.

Speaker 1: 16:13

It was a blue raspberry, more marshmallow.

Speaker 2: 16:16

Yeah, it's got marshmallow flavor.

Speaker 1: 16:17

But the photo. They were called classic wine box gummies and wine box gummies and the photo looked like a wine gum. And then you open the fucking box and it was like those blue pillowy.

Speaker 2: 16:29

What are they?

Speaker 1: 16:30

The strawberry with the white. You know what I'm talking about.

Speaker 1: 16:33

That style, or blue, I guess, the mixed white with the color I don't know what those are called. I thought they tasted like the blue whales. Anyways, if they didn't taste so good, I would have be more upset, but I am still kind of upset because I wanted wine gums. Yeah, that's pretty random. Sorry, come back from the rant. That was the wine gum rant. Yeah, but yeah, no, there's a ton of products. I feel like it's again. It's. I guess it allows for a lot of differentiation in the Ontario market, but I feel like, compared to a lot of other markets, it's just like it's crazy. Is it too much? How much is too much? I also think it's funny that the infused pre-roll thing just died. It was like everybody was doing infused pre-roll and then everyone just gave up.

Speaker 1: 17:15

I think, still people do. But I agree with you, it's basically central emission and jitters. Jitters. The jitters are popular, though. Those are also kind of dusty though. Well, totally but.

Speaker 2: 17:27

I think I see that they still use better flour.

Speaker 1: 17:29

We sell the caramel ones, I guess a bit, but not as much. No, no, you know what's brutal I've even had. I saw this happen to me a couple times. Someone comes in and I'm like enthusiastic, I'm like, yes, you want like a rosin roll or like some nice hash infused. And then they're like about to do it and they're like, oh no, give me that fruity one, the peach one.

Speaker 2: 17:49

And I'm like the peach rings.

Speaker 1: 17:51

The tiger blood. Give me the tiger blood, give me the tiger blood. Oh, the stab in the heart, okay. On the way out, yeah, just like, whatever, that's okay. No, I know I always feel funny when you have those in-depth conversations with people and you're like, thank you, converted, and then they're like, nah, yeah, that's okay, give me the garbage, it's going to rot my brain, it's okay. Some people just have the other and don't like it. I guess, right, it's okay. Yeah, no, no, no, it's. But I just find I literally feel like I don't know about you. Like, I feel like when I smoke, when I have a really good high, like a nice layered high, like something really good, it's more of an experience and I can like talk and I can be creative and I can like, I can like still, like you know, it's more enjoyable, I find when I smoke, just distillate and I combust it like that, like those gentlemen do.

Speaker 1: 18:42

I just feel stupid, like I honestly feel like if you asked me like a math question that I knew before I smoked a distillate joint, that I wouldn't be able to tell you after I smoked it, and I don't think I could. I think with most of the things that aren't distillate if it was just like a hash-infused joint, I think.

Speaker 2: 18:59

And I might like the cards are terrible too.

Speaker 1: 19:01

The cards definitely do something. Really bad too. But yeah, can't wait to keep talking Particularly edibles, lots of other stuff.

Speaker 2: 19:10

Lots of other stuff we're going to have a guest by now.

Speaker 1: 19:13

Have a guest by now. Our title sponsor for season three is our good friend Rog and heads. We'll be back. We'll be right back with Todd Neal. We're back. Welcome back Back with our main sponsor for season three, raw's, and Head's. Todd. Welcome back to the show buddy. Thanks again for having me guys.

Speaker 2: 19:44

Yeah, man it the show buddy, thanks again for having me, guys.

Speaker 1: 19:45

Yeah, man, it's been a minute Dude, you were on one of our first four or five, for sure.

Speaker 2: 19:52

Season one episode four, I believe.

Speaker 1: 19:54

Right, it's right there behind you. You can confirm. I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure I got it. Five, five, damn it. That was close, wild buddy. Yeah, yeah, man, how have you been? What's going on with you?

Speaker 2: 20:06

Just trying to stay busy.

Speaker 1: 20:07

Yeah, man, you fucking have been busy. I definitely would say so I'm pretty like fired up about your. I think you were saying everybody thinks you're releasing a peanut butter and jelly sandwich.

Speaker 2: 20:19

Yeah, so yeah, I've been just having some fun on Instagram recently with some of my posts posting do you have that bag? Posting a bag that basically looks like a slice of bread. And yeah, a lot of people were thinking I'm launching sandwiches and stuff, but I'm launching flour.

Speaker 1: 20:38

I thought for some reason in my head yes, you're launching flour, which is a huge announcement. That's fucking amazing, and it's two different flowers, to my understanding. For some reason in my head, when I first saw the imagery, which I love your new rebranding too, by the way I was telling you I really like all the new iconography you did and you were saying you're trying to get away from the hum.

Speaker 1: 21:00

Is it a hum? Humster yeah, Humster, yeah, which makes sense because it's got, like you know, just implications or whatever too. But I love that you still left it on there because it's your OG brand and, like I don't know, I love the new sheet, love all that iconography and I always fuck with your brand, so I think it's sick.

Speaker 2: 21:16

Yeah, I'm just always always trying to evolve a little bit, right, just trying to keep things fresh. You'll notice, there's like many different styles, like on the Instagram, but like it's still all tied back together. But like back to the flour for a second. Yeah, really funny story about this. So I was driving into work one day, Okay, and like I've been wanting to launch flour for a while, but like there was a couple of struggles in my mind. First is you know the brand's called Rosin Heads, you know. And second is you know I'm typically known as an edible brand, right? So I wasn't sure that, you know, people would really receive it.

Speaker 2: 21:56

Well, I was driving to work one day and the idea came to me that I should launch peanut butter and jelly flour. So I walked in the office and you know, people, people try to talk to me. I was just like now. I basically loaded up, I went to the internet, found a slice of bread, started designing a label on a slice of bread, okay, um, shorter to a couple of people at the office. They thought I was like completely fucked.

Speaker 2: 22:17

And you know, three months later, here we are with Peanut butter and jelly flour. So I like to call this the bread bag. This is, and literally, when I was designing the bag, I sent a slice of bread to the manufacturer and I said make it shaped that way. This is really the best that I could do. It's kind of a little wonky, but you'll notice. We updated the logo. It's just a peanut butter and jelly sandwich and you know, the fun thing here is inside. You know you got the corresponding color, so you've got your jelly, you've got your peanut butter. So it's really well thought out, I think. And the cool thing is the first launch is really going to be it's really going to be special. The peanut butter is LSO, peanut butter breath 28%, and the jelly strain is gelato runts I'm calling it Gelato Berry for this and it's 30%, 2.3% terps oh, wow.

Speaker 1: 23:10

So and you handpicked these strains yourself. Did we micro this? No, no, no, this is.

Speaker 2: 23:17

You sourced it.

Speaker 1: 23:18

Okay, yeah, I sourced it.

Speaker 2: 23:21

I've been looking at flower for the last three months probably 35 different lots and I bought four. Okay, so you know it's been a struggle actually finding, you know, the product that I actually wanted to put in a bag and put my name on it. I think we're there. Well, I know we're there. Now I've got four really good lots. I've got the next lots lined up after that, so it should get pretty interesting. I'm really excited about this launch. I'm only doing one product a quarter now typically, so you know I get to really button each product up and, you know, really think it through. That's smart. I really like you know having my ducks in a row, like having everything buttoned up in this industry it just moves so fast. You know what I mean. And there was one quarter where I launched six products and like I almost died, my manufacturer almost died, like it was just far too much. So ever since then I've just I've learned it's hard to sell all those products at once, right?

Speaker 1: 24:16

Am I wrong man? There's too many, right.

Speaker 2: 24:18

So when I came up with six products, four of them didn't really do good, but when I come up with one product, it always does really well.

Speaker 1: 24:28

So you switch to just one? Yeah, so just one.

Speaker 2: 24:30

Now that makes sense, man, and just dial that in and make sure that that's a success, and yeah and it's the evolution of the brand, right, because I think everybody knows me, you know, as an edible brand, um starting out, branch out into the tablets. You know they did really well. Um, the rosin, the pre-roll, I was gonna say big drop man, the rosin mango sapphire I really enjoyed. Um was going to say big drop man, the rosin, the mango sapphire.

Speaker 1: 24:49

I really enjoyed. What was it? I did try the Great Mountain candy. Nothing wrong with it, I thought it was fine, it just wasn't my like.

Speaker 2: 24:58

Yeah, there was two phenols, so the very first one was Tropicana Cookies, phenol Okay, super orange, it was amazing. The second one was like a bit of a great beer. Yeah, you know, you either loved it or you hated it, kind of thing. Yeah, mango Sapphire, there's whatever's left in stores. That's what's left of it. Yeah, and Purple Punch is gonna start shipping this week. The Purple Punch I really enjoyed. I dabbed a whole jar in a day. I look forward to it, man.

Speaker 1: 25:24

Yeah, it's really interesting, so that'll be a continued rotation. Yeah, nice yeah.

Speaker 2: 25:30

That's amazing. That's the next couple drops planned too, so I'm only buying small lots, just so I can keep it fresh. There's certainly continuity available, but I like to change it.

Speaker 1: 25:40

Of course, dude, that makes sense. When are we gonna see the PB&J?

Speaker 2: 25:44

July 2nd it'll be available for retailers to order on flow through, so it should start rolling the stores like July 9th or so. Okay, nice, there you go, come grab it the first week I only put a small amount on.

Speaker 2: 25:58

All my bags are actually still on a boat, so I was actually able to get them to send me whatever they had left sitting around in the factory. So I got enough to large the product. And then the second week I I'm really going to open the floodgates and you know list a lot, but first week it's going to be, you know, first come, first serve, slow and steady man, I guess lottery products.

Speaker 1: 26:18

We'll try our best to get some. That's exciting man. That's really cool. I don't know why I'm surprised you're doing flower, but I'm pleasantly surprised, I guess. Does that make sense? I don't know. I'm just giving you my I don't know the evolution of a brand. It's like we were talking like standing out in so many you know brands. It's really tough and Robin Hoods has a brand. I think that stands.

Speaker 2: 26:41

It's survival right, because when you look at the summer, chocolate slows right down. So you know.

Speaker 2: 26:45

I needed something for the summer. Beyond that, I think it's super cool. Honestly, like at this point, I'm just trying to have fun. You know, this obviously isn't going to be like my main revenue stream, it's not going to be my only source of income, but, like, I'm just trying to have fun, everything I do outside of the edible category, there's always a focus on flavor, right. So you know, whether it's a rosin, whether it's a flower, whether it's a pre-rose, I try to focus on flavor Make it tasty.

Speaker 2: 27:15

And curate really good flavor experiences for people, right, Okay, nice, yeah. And I think that's really the attraction of the brand is people trust me. You know I've been putting out really good products for a very long time, so people trust that, like if I say this is good, typically, you know I'm trying not to let people down and, like I said, it was really hard for me to find flour that I wanted to put my name on right, Absolutely man Are.

Speaker 1: 27:38

they starts from two different places, the two ones.

Speaker 2: 27:40

Okay, very cool man, and the next lot again is the next batch after the first two lots. Like the second two lots that I have, those are different suppliers as well. You know I've cast a pretty wide net. I've found probably six people that I'm gonna be working with continuously and then, you know, I just have options coming to me all the time, right.

Speaker 1: 28:02

So that's great man. I guess that comes along with, like, the reputation you built for yourself, and so you're probably have growers that want to come to you and work with you and have you be kind of their brand right. So that's dope dude. I love good flavors.

Speaker 2: 28:14

It gives me the ability to help, like smaller micros that aren't in Ontario. You know what I mean. I can list their products, you know. I can, you know, tell people where I got it from and you know, try to give them, you know, a little bit of a boost, right? So when they do pitch in Ontario, they're already kind of known and then when they come to market, you know, hopefully it helps them, right? I? Always try to just do mutually beneficial things right. Like you know, collaboration over competition.

Speaker 1: 28:41

These are sourced from outside of Ontario.

Speaker 2: 28:44

Yes, nice, no sorry, the gelato runs in Ontario. Yeah, okay, the LSO peanut butter breath is Alberta, and then the second lot of peanut butter breath that I have, after the LSO lot, is also Alberta. There you go and I'm only buying small lots, like from micros, searching far and wide, and it's like every 716 bags I want to launch is going to be 10 kilos, right? So that's basically, you know the lot, right.

Speaker 1: 29:12

I did have one question, man, You've collaborated with a lot of people in this industry and I think a lot of people struggle to collaborate, and why do you think you've been so successful? Man, Like you know, it's not easy to work with people, right? You know what I mean.

Speaker 2: 29:24

Like, I feel like yeah, and I'm probably one of the hardest people to work with.

Speaker 1: 29:27

That's a good question, right? No, it is.

Speaker 2: 29:30

I'm difficult. I'm going to be honest, I'm pretty difficult.

Speaker 1: 29:34

No, I hear you're a perfectionist man. I hear you're all business too dude.

Speaker 2: 29:38

She does it right. You go to the WeMe office to talk to this office.

Speaker 1: 29:41

You want someone on the phone. He's like I need it done this way. It was supposed to be that way.

Speaker 2: 29:49

I won't say who it was, but I know that sounds like Todd, you know, yeah, it's actually hilarious that we're actually having a conversation here because, like at the office, you know, hey, I need this. We're going to do this, this, this, this, this is a plan. How was your weekend, todd? Turn around and leave. I can't do small talk and that's why I say I'm the difficult person, because it's really hard to get to know me what's cool.

Speaker 1: 30:22

We're going to have you on this show. I'm just.

Speaker 2: 30:25

I'm just very focused these days. I was thinking the other day about like who I used to be in, like man. Sometimes I want to be that person. And then I like, I think, and it's like no, I don't, you know, it's, you're always gonna be stressed in life, right, and it's for whatever reason, like this, doing good is more, more stressful than like when I wasn't doing good. You know what I mean. Because it's like can I maintain?

Speaker 2: 30:54

it you know what I mean. Can I maintain it Like how long is this going to last?

Speaker 2: 30:58

Like I'm just trying to stay out of my own way, right, I have so many products ready to go and I don't want to get ahead of myself. Right, I have my full 2025 roadmap done, like till January 2025. I know exactly what products I'm launching when, right, and it's like trying not to get distracted by shiny things and like seeing opportunities that might not actually be opportunities. You know what I mean. So just really trying to stay super focused.

Speaker 1: 31:28

Yeah, you got it. You got it lined up. Man, stick to the plan. It sounds like this is good insight to know. The one slow and steady pace Again. Yeah, slow and steady man.

Speaker 2: 31:39

Win the race.

Speaker 1: 31:40

So cliche, but like totally man. I don't know about winning, but surviving, surviving, saving, yeah yeah, and not like going bankrupt, like a lot of people in our industry anyway. So, yeah, oh yeah, it's interesting to see. So that's awesome, man. Big evolution Love to see all these great new products. I can't wait to try both of them. Man, it's going to be awesome dude, where can we get it? Like I know, I think you're in most provinces, I was a little confused. What's up with the Weed Me Truffles?

Speaker 2: 32:14

So Weed Me Truffles is Alberta, only With Alberta. There's like what was that though?

Speaker 2: 32:18

Yeah, in Alberta there's like a registration process brand owners have to go through and there's like background checks. You know they want your finances for you know X amount of years Come on your wife's finances. Just a lot, a lot of Nicely invasive, A lot of work. It takes a long time. It's only like three grand, I think, but still, yeah, it just wasn't worth it to me at the time. And the Weed Me Trump was launched, actually before Rosen has did.

Speaker 1: 32:47

What's wrong with you, Alberto, and I wanted to. I actually wanted to understand, right.

Speaker 2: 32:52

Because you know Weed Me does really good sales in Alberta BC. I wanted to understand it was actually a testing ground to understand if the brand there was two things Will Rosin in the name hurt the sales and will the Weed Me brand help my sales? Help or hurt? Right, so you know, I think we understand fully that the brand name is working. Yeah, so, like it was necessary, yeah, it was necessary.

Speaker 1: 33:33

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was just confused when I saw it and I was like oh no, those are you know those are rosin heads, man.

Speaker 2: 33:38

Yeah, yeah, it's. Um. It's interesting though, right, because for a long time people didn't know. And now you know, and, and every time that I tried to show people on Instagram stuff like I had graphics done and everything but every time time I post a Weed Me logo, it gets flagged immediately, right. So I had a really hard time trying to let people know about that, right.

Speaker 1: 33:57

Yeah, the censorship is still a thing that's very annoying. Back on the first segment. I was talking to Charlie about the regulation changes and you were actually telling me that I'm Am I mistaken with how I'm reading the edibles?

Speaker 2: 34:08

Well, I don't know that you're mistaken, or perhaps I'm mistaken, but the way that I'm reading it is, you can have up to I think it's 1,350 milligrams in a package, but each individual piece is 10 milligrams. Okay, and each individual piece needs to be fully labeled and packaged like compliant label, not just a wrapper with THC. So good luck fitting that all in there. That's the way I'm reading it. So just imagine having a bag like this with 10 bags like this in it. Right, wait, wait, wait, it's chaos.

Speaker 1: 34:45

Hear me out though. So he also mentioned the Kinslip. You know that product. Yeah, is it considered a capsule, I think, by the regulation. Is this something we know? A capsule, I think, so I'm not sure if it's a capsule. But that has an interesting package if it could be conveyed to people as compliant. Anyways, I haven't read it, so I can't really speak to it.

Speaker 2: 35:06

Yeah, so that's my interpretation of it. It would it, so I can't really speak to it. Yeah, so, like that's my interpretation of it. Like it would be much better if it was just a wrapper, because then, like you could have a much smaller package. You don't have to have all the real estate for your nft table, your ingredients, right, your compliant warning, everything. That's just how I'm reading it. I'm not a lawyer, so, um, well, hopefully that'll change and obviously, like that's something you know. Um, it needs to change, right, it's just gonna be a nightmare for pat. Like cost for one right, like cost to produce and waste is like it's gonna be ridiculous, right?

Speaker 1: 35:37

so bad already, too something like I.

Speaker 2: 35:40

I look at it like the um the halloween reese peanut butter cups, for example, like you know how those have to have the ingredients on them.

Speaker 1: 35:48

They're fully labeled. Yeah, you know, I mean we just got a singular right right, but they don't have to have the warning, they don't have to have.

Speaker 2: 35:54

You know all the stuff that we do, so we can't have it, you know so interesting.

Speaker 1: 36:00

Is there any implication for like your great rosin drops, which I love, by the way, if you haven't tried those, you should try them. Go and try those. Have you ever gotten any?

Speaker 2: 36:10

Yeah, I mean it's pretty clearly. We did get communication from Health Canada very recently. But basically what happened is so, if you go to like any of the POS systems or like any of the store finder databases, typically brands have like a brand page and on my brand page there's a statement saying Rosin has created an elevated edible experience worthy of repeat indulgence. So what somebody had done is they went to a product finder website, pulled out my brand page, so you had the edible language, and then they searched for the drops and then they took a screenshot of that sent it to help Canada, saying he's promoting it as edibles.

Speaker 2: 36:59

So you know, I had to change my whole brand statement, my whole mission statement, change everything, just so it can't be confused, because I was an edible brand at one point.

Speaker 1: 37:10

Right, right.

Speaker 2: 37:12

And I know who it was. It's hilarious, but you know to manipulate a screenshot. Send it to Health Canada. When you have tobacco investors, ok, they're coming out. I'm trying to feed my daughter OK, this is me, my wife and my daughter. Ok, tobacco investors. I'm trying to feed my daughter Okay, this is me, my wife and my daughter. Okay, tobacco investors. So basically, you know I changed the. You know I deleted the product finder from my website, changed my brand statement on every POS system I could.

Speaker 2: 37:42

I remember I accidentally commented on something and you're like sorry, sean, I deleted your comment because of this and you know I went as far as you know to make sure, like I don't have the drops on my website. I never have. You don't see me post them on Instagram. You don't see me promote them because they don't really need promotion. If you're a high TC user, you're seeking them out, you'll find them, you're going to find them. Yeah, so they don't really need promotion. And if I don't promote them, you can't come after me and say I'm promoting them a certain way, exactly.

Speaker 1: 38:15

No, I understand why you don't. It's too bad that that's the situation though For me it's a medical product.

Speaker 2: 38:27

It's such a necessary product man, lot of them. That's why I was very cautious with the unflavored, the 250 milligram, no flavor, right, because I don't want people over consuming. I don't want anybody saying that I'm trying to make it palatable. I'm serving a need. You know there was no half rosin, there was no full spectrum tablets or capsules on the market when I launched those. I feel the need. Now you know there's multiple full-spectrum rosin capsules on market. There wasn't before.

Speaker 1: 38:57

I noticed that. Yeah, that's one of the people. That makes sense. I guess they're selling, so there's proof in the sales. Yeah, awesome though, man. They're a fantastic product, and I even don't mind the, I think, I just like the plain ones, and the peppermints are good too. I guess that's like a mint variant, kind of.

Speaker 2: 39:13

But those ones, those ones, you know what they remind me of.

Speaker 1: 39:15

I told you I don't know, sorry to cut you off there. You remember like we used to decorate like our gingerbread house and there were like these little peppermint things and Sprinkles.

Speaker 2: 39:25

Sprinkles on them. You know what I'm talking about. They remind me of that.

Speaker 1: 39:29

They remind me of that, without the sugar.

Speaker 2: 39:31

Yeah, I meant that as a compliment. Yeah, they're vegan. There's two ingredients in them. You know what I mean. It's one of the only products at that milligram level that you can look at the ingredients and understand what's in them and it doesn't give you the Schlitz Arena that.

Speaker 1: 39:47

Australia likes to have Right and it doesn't give you the Schlitz arena, says Charlie, like we'll be back. No, fuck, carlitos. Fact 821. We're back. Where is it smoke? Another dab there, charles. What did you think of todd's rosin? You just dabbed it exactly. Where's the hash?

Speaker 2: 40:28

it was great oh, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what I said, that's what you meant, Okay sorry I was lost too.

Speaker 1: 40:32

I was at Todd. I'm like what the fuck is this guy talking about? Where's the hash Don't ask.

Speaker 2: 40:36

Ask the El Hash. You're wearing the El Hash. Ask the Bazaam incident.

Speaker 1: 40:47

That's all in hold, though, isn't it I've heard that the latest, so you can talk about that for a second. That is pretty crazy. I guess that happened since we ended the last season, but I still think that there's something weird about that. Like, how do you not know before you sign that, like Bazaam was always going to be a pretty bad partner, in my opinion? I thought it was weird when I heard that they were buying them, wait or in my opinion.

Speaker 1: 41:08

I thought it was weird when I heard that they were buying the ones.

Speaker 2: 41:11

The way are they done? I think they like. No, it's us doing a court battle, exactly. I don't know what the outcome is gonna be. I can't really speak on it.

Speaker 1: 41:18

No, no, I can't know Fucking crazy, but I think unfortunately, it's like the kind of thing that's been kind of expected and industry and I hear with the shit all the time, people getting fucked over and not getting paid and unfortunately, like basically FinalBot wants to dip anyways, so what are they not going to make? Like I have lots of good products, yeah, lots. It must have been good to work with, hopefully products.

Speaker 2: 41:45

Yeah, no, I like I've known those guys for a long time, right like all the hash makers, greg, I've known everybody there for a long time. Right Like all the hash makers, greg, I've known everybody there for quite some time, so I enjoyed working with them.

Speaker 1: 41:54

Yeah, I think it tasted really good, looked really good. You didn't need like a hot knife. Like I felt like if I didn't have a hot knife and I just got one, that it would be difficult to deal with. But other than that man, no complaints, Dabbed really nice, tasted really good. Honestly, I think it vaped really clean. For the most part, there wasn't much residual residue.

Speaker 2: 42:12

Yeah, I'm really excited about the Purple Punch that's coming out, though Turfs on it are low. Like on the label it's only 6%. Typically, everything that I've launched before has been like 9 or 11. Okay, it's normal though, because that's 9. But when you open the jar you hardly smell it. But it Because like that's nine, but when you open the jar you hardly smell it, but like it's really flavorful when you smoke it. The Purple Punch is only six, but when you open up the jar, like the smell fills the room. The flavor is like mouth-coating. Okay, so like it's just it doesn't make sense to me, but like 71%, 6.6% turps, but the flavor is off the charts 6.6% terps, but the flavor's off the charts, off the charts.

Speaker 1: 42:50

It's my favorite rosin that I've launched to date. Okay For sure. Well, I'll have to get that. You're making me salivate. I've been on a real rosin kick lately. Yes, I put it.

Speaker 2: 42:58

So yeah, it's available on Flow Through anytime now. Oh, okay, all the mango sapphires gone. I was down to like few cases, so it's all gone okay, that's good man.

Speaker 1: 43:08

I'm glad to hear that that's going well for you too. So the rosin rosin heads rosin is is working out, which is dope, and it's so nice to see you kind of like progress and move your way into other categories and find your success.

Speaker 2: 43:21

And again, it's just like, uh, you know flavor experiences, right like um, you know, at the point that I launched each rosin, it was the most flavorful that I had access to. Okay, and as I'm connecting with new suppliers, finding new strains, it's just getting better and better.

Speaker 1: 43:38

Yeah, man, you're dialing it in, I guess, and figuring out who has the good stuff and who's still growing in Canada. Good stuff, I suppose, but I'm sure it's hard because I feel like there's less people growing.

Speaker 2: 43:49

It's harder for me to launch a product that I sourced than it is to develop an edible recipe, like I have so many edibles ready to go, but you can only sell so many edibles, right? That makes sense, and I mean the price point of my chocolate. You know, unfortunately, it is what it is like. You know the ingredients I'm using. You know the input I'm using. Everything just keeps price high. So you know, unfortunately, it is what it is like. Um, you know the ingredients I'm using. You know the input I'm using. Everything just keeps price high. So you know the velocity is not there, right? So, um, you know, if I want this to, you know, be a sustainable business, you know I have to.

Speaker 2: 44:21

I have to expand right and that way that way, when summer comes around and chocolate slows down, cool you don't want, still sustained. Last year was really tough in the summer.

Speaker 1: 44:31

Is it really? Does it fall off that much? That makes sense to me. I hadn't really thought about it.

Speaker 2: 44:35

Last year was super tough in the summer. Like basically the amount of money I was making I was spending on marketing in the summer last year, like it wasn't good. Keep it up.

Speaker 1: 44:44

It wasn't good. Yeah, I know that gummies are much bigger. In a sense, I don't really get why per se Gummies are harder, though I don't really get why per se.

Speaker 2: 44:53

Yeah, it's way more funded, just because there's so many options on the market, everybody's already found the one that they like at the price point they like. Yeah, you know it's hard to change people's opinions and there's just too much competition. And really like gummies are harder to differentiate yourself than chocolate. I find you know what I mean, because the ingredients I use in my chocolate, the flavors I can create in chocolate gummies, are sugar and water with flavor. It's true, there's only so much you can do, and even if you buy mold, People are diehard.

Speaker 1: 45:23

It doesn't make sense.

Speaker 2: 45:24

I don't know why, when you try to do cool shaped gummies, like often, they don't look super good, especially when you sugarcoat them right. I think spinach might be the anomaly there, or you know theirs look pretty good. But you know there's some that you look at them and you're like what is it? Those aren't good, though, I don't like those. No, I'm not talking about the flavor per se.

Speaker 1: 45:44

No, but you just think. Purely just for being identical, they are very uniform. I appreciate it. You know I like their shape, right? Yeah, it looks good.

Speaker 2: 45:52

It looks good, you know, even with the sugar coating right. Did you try the Gushery?

Speaker 1: 45:57

ones? Did you try?

Speaker 2: 45:57

those. No, I'll be honest, like I don't eat a lot of Edible gummies, I don't eat a lot of edibles, like in general, like other than my own, yeah, like other than my own. Yeah, I mean like I just I'll try, I'll try them like I tried the Lord Jones when they came out. You know, I mean cuz it's five pieces per package at like six dollars, yeah, so obviously when I look at that I've got one piece for 875. I'm like, okay, this could be a bit of a problem. So you know, like I went, I bought them and I was like yeah okay, they're really not that much of a problem, right, they're decent products.

Speaker 2: 46:33

You know what I mean. It's just the, the chocolate isn't, you know, super great. You know what I mean. I tried them. It's mass market, you know it's like Easter style chocolate, whatever Like, they're good, the texture's good the texture was good, I thought. The chocolate it just you know what I mean.

Speaker 1: 46:51

I could just taste the chocolate it wasn't great, Like that Allen's chocolate yeah, I know what you're talking about and like the chocolate most white chocolate like.

Speaker 2: 46:58

All I can taste is skim milk like skim milk powder, for whatever reason, and those were like offensive they're good, tell you, I, um, I went to a dispensary and I had a rosin.

Speaker 1: 47:09

It was on sale and I should have known it was old. It was still okay, it was fine, but it, like it, had shriveled and I felt like it was like drier. It was weird. I don't know how to describe it to you. Was that peanut butter one? I totally got the job done. It was like drier. It was weird. I don't know how to describe it to you.

Speaker 2: 47:21

Was it a peanut butter one? I totally got the job done. It was fun. The peanut butter and raspberry Peanut butter and raspberry, but I'd never seen this On sale, you knew. It was just funny I was like I was surprised. The only thing I could think of is there was like some sort of temperature issue, some sort or something. Probably they're super stable. I should have known as soon as it was, so on sale. I was like oh Ross had a great deal.

Speaker 1: 47:41

You know what's too bad Products, that kind of come and go that don't make it through the crowd, that are actually decent. You know what I mean? I don't know.

Speaker 2: 47:53

I feel like that's.

Speaker 1: 47:54

I don't know where I was going with this story by the way, fine in the end, Like it still tasted pretty good, Even though they had fucked it up and somebody had like obviously.

Speaker 2: 48:02

So, like you're saying the, I think it was in a fridge.

Speaker 1: 48:03

I think you're right that it was like in a fridge and maybe it wasn't, and then that's my theory.

Speaker 2: 48:06

So, yeah, I'm probably assuming if they put it in the fridge. They knew that it had melted, so they put it in the store reached out to me yeah, I'll buy them back or we'll figure something out like I'd rather not have the car. You know, I know, but I can't control that. Like you know, every now and then I go into the store and I see the cranberry truffle still and I buy them all. You're like, don't sell those, I buy them all. But like the reality is like you cut into them. They're fucking perfect still.

Speaker 1: 48:39

Yeah right, and, and they're fucking perfect. Still, yeah, right, and, and they're, they're I want. The pistachio ones are gone.

Speaker 2: 48:42

September, september 2022 for the cranberry. And they're still fire. They're still perfect, right, nice?

Speaker 1: 48:49

Oh, yeah, fair enough.

Speaker 2: 48:53

Like that. That's like been the been. The hardest part of the journey is like understanding shelf life, understanding water activity, understanding pH, right Like there's a lot of science. What A candy cane one.

Speaker 1: 49:05

You ever do a candy cane, wasn't it?

Speaker 2: 49:07

Uh, not in the, not in the legal market. No, we had um peppermint and candy cane one year in the baller box.

Speaker 1: 49:13

That's what I thought, that's what.

Speaker 2: 49:18

I'm not really doing holiday LTOs just because of the way that the OCS structures them. After the holidays they discounted 50%. So if you have any inventory left, you take a big hit. You know what I mean.

Speaker 1: 49:32

That's how that works. Damn so we won't be seeing a candy can. There used to be so many holiday things that were kind of fun, but I agree they're tough.

Speaker 2: 49:46

Maybe if it's a one-time loading, but the last time I did it they said it would be a one-time loading and then they came back with a second order and I had to scramble the filling and then I think I took a hit on some of them Would you ever do a spreadable chocolate?

Speaker 1: 50:01

That'd be fun. Nutella Exists. Someone did that. Someone did that already. I don't know. It's like Someone did that Maybe I'm just being a stoner, or raw Nutella, it sounded delicious to me, cool right, but it's like I try to bring something more than that to the table.

Speaker 2: 50:16

You to the table.

Speaker 1: 50:17

You know what I mean.

Speaker 2: 50:18

I'm really proud of all the chocolate recipes I made, like all the chocolates, I've developed the different formats I have. You know, like there's four different formats, right, four different price points. And you know the reason for that is I wanted to understand, you know, what consumers would go after, where the money was, you know where the velocity was. So you know I cast a really wide net when I launched right. Came out with the truffles first, understood they were doing really well. Came out with the coins to try to do something like a lower price option. Challenged with the coins, though, because they were all flow through, there was no OCS MSRP, so stores were charging whatever they wanted for it, and they were meant to be the low cost option to retail at $750. Stores were charging $999 because it's Ross and Henson's two pieces, right. So exactly what I didn't want to happen happened. That makes sense. So you know like great the stores are making margin, but the velocity is slow, unintrading.

Speaker 2: 51:22

You know what I mean so the stores that are selling them. They keep bringing them in, but the velocity is not there. All right, right, so I'm getting rid of some of the two-piece coins. The one-piece coins seem to do better.

Speaker 1: 51:34

Okay, and kind of force the hand on the retailers so it's not charged.

Speaker 2: 51:39

Yeah, and the one-piece coin. There's one of them. That's general listing. Yeah, so there's an MSRP.

Speaker 1: 51:45

I love the strawberry. The strawberry coins are bomb. They're really good yeah strawberry.

Speaker 2: 51:48

I just submitted the tickets to delist them, Strawberry and Yuzu, those two were part of that one launch when I did six. Yeah, that's true, they never really got picked up because it was Tiny milk chocolate, caramel, caramel shortbread sticks right.

Speaker 1: 52:11

So that was the first. You know, do a layer. Those are, you know, some terrible snack bar the twist then there was two two coins.

Speaker 2: 52:17

Two drops right and the drops is blew up. So stores decided to bring in the drops and they decided to bring in the sticks, bars and the coins. Just kind of shit, the bed Kind of yeah.

Speaker 1: 52:27

So it is what it is. Yeah, man, it's hard to buy a thousand I think I said that to you, dude but you do pretty good, and I can't tell you how grateful I am to be working with you again and having you on this show and having you as our title sponsor, and so I just wanted to shout you out, mr Todd Neal. Can't wait, man. Yeah, look at all the drops, that's some gangster shit man.

Speaker 1: 52:48

You really like stepped in and allowed us all to be here and keep doing what we do so like. Thanks, dude.

Speaker 2: 52:56

No problem, yeah, no, I think it's important to have voices like you guys in the industry. And you know, it's funny how this came about, right, because we're at Hall of Flowers. Richard came up to me hey, you want to sponsor the podcast? I was like okay, it's a pretty easy conversation, right? I didn't ask any questions. Well, what's my ROI? What do I get out of it? I didn't ask him that I was't um spend money on publicity. You know I don't spend money for articles. You know I don't spend money. Um. So you know, when Richard asked, I was like you know what, if I'm going to spend money, I want to spend it with the right people for the right reasons, um, and so you know, here we are.

Speaker 1: 53:43

Yeah, man, it feels like a beautiful partnership. We look forward to promoting your products throughout the season and, um, you know, it's so easy to uh work with that brand that you really believe in and that you really trust and you sell with confidence.

Speaker 2: 53:56

And absolutely, man, yeah, I mean, like I remember, coming here like before legal market with the baller box and you know like you welcomed me with open arms and you know I met Richard last time I was here doing the podcast. He's always been super nice to me and it's okay, sure.

Speaker 1: 54:12

Yeah, man, no, it's, it's. It's appreciated, man, and I'm sure we're going to have you on some other time this season and look forward to kind of shedding some light maybe and having some more hot takes, because I know you love a hot take. You're a hot take, master, so you're good at that.

Speaker 2: 54:27

I'm Switzerland. These days, I don't have a lot to say anymore.

Speaker 1: 54:31

I'm Switzerland. These days, no hot take. Well, that's good, we can be the ones that say it.

Speaker 2: 54:35

Yeah, I mean, I don't want to put my foot in my mouth. There's a lot at stake right now. You know what I mean.

Speaker 1: 54:42

No, I like it. Okay, cool, we'll keep it low key. I don't know why I was going. No, it's fine. Wait hot takes. Do you have right now, Sean I?

Speaker 2: 54:49

have lots of opinions. I just what hot takes do you have? I don't know that.

Speaker 1: 54:54

my opinions are right. People that send samples in little baggies. They're really sad and please stop doing it. Yeah, please.

Speaker 2: 55:02

At least put some branding on it. At least put some branding on it, man? No, but it's not a good representation of the sample, right? It just shows how you do. Anything is how you do everything, right? Yeah, you're giving out samples. You want stores to buy your product and what you've done is you bought a half quarter, yeah, split it into three and a half bags. Okay, label it with a Sharpie that you can't even read and you're dropping that at stores. Right, and that's like. That's the state of the of the. You know, like the sales reps, right? Like you can't blame the. You know, like the sales reps, right? Like you can't blame the reps because you know somebody taught them that. That's the way. You know what I mean, but like it's certainly not. You know what I mean.

Speaker 1: 55:50

Like it's certainly not, but I can hit the vacuum cleaner, that's all good. Man, that's the live studio in the back of the shop. No, I really hope so, sharpie. Man, that's the live studio in the back of the shop. No, I really hope so. Sharpie is funny. That's what you're thinking, todd. I got ones that had like a goddamn ballpoint pen. I couldn't even see what it was. You can see the indents but no writing right. Yeah, like what is this? Honestly too, I'm not even going to lie.

Speaker 2: 56:22

Like I'm thinking Hall up. I'm like buddy, I'm tired. I'm not even gonna chuff this weed I'm.

Speaker 1: 56:31

that is kind of true, you know.

Speaker 2: 56:36

Yeah, I didn't get a single sample from home. Actually, no, I got one sample from Hall of Flowers, but that's because Funny story I was walking through Hall of Flowers I got a phone call. That first batch of strawberry for the peanut butter and jelly flower was strawberry guava. Right, had seeds in it, oh no. So I'm walking by a booth and I hear somebody say strawberry. So I walk in the booth and I started talking to them. There's a strawberry strain. That was the only sample I took home with me.

Speaker 2: 57:00

I didn't, they wouldn't sell it to me. They're like they don't, they don't want to compete with me. Oh, I'm like there is no competition. Right, like this is like a small niche rosin brand. Um, you know, if I can sell a couple bags of flour, cool. But like I'm not trying to take over the flower game, I'm not trying to be. You know all about flower. Yeah, once Q and Sorry, you feel threatened. Oh no, I Love a good little strawberry. Go on. But all right, like to this day, is is still the best one that I've tried out of everything. I'm still smoking with the seeds in it.

Speaker 1: 57:39

But I just I couldn't put it in my face.

Speaker 2: 57:42

Launch that knowing and like the right they're not even seeds, they're tiny little micro seeds, but like when you're breaking up, you can hear them drop out, it doesn't affect the smoke, like there's no popping, there's no, no flavor issues. But I couldn't do it.

Speaker 1: 57:58

You know what I mean, consciously, I knew, so I was just like I really like this image, the warm-up of this one Really a big fan. The sandwich with the bite out of it and then gosh we trust. Yeah, is this the exact one? Is this going to come like this? Yeah, that's the exact bag, right there.

Speaker 2: 58:17

That's amazing. And the and of bread as well. Okay, cool Terms are going to be on the back here with the barcode.

Speaker 1: 58:23

I really like that man. Honestly, that's a huge hit for it. As far as American packaging and stuff, it's detailed right.

Speaker 2: 58:30

Yeah, stupid, right it's a slice of bread.

Speaker 2: 58:37

The label is a slice of bread, but there was thought put behind that and that's what's lacking so much in this industry. Or else there was thought put behind it but it was 10 dudes sitting in a boardroom saying, guys, we got to sell. Like, what's next? What's next? Right, like this is so much a part of my life that this comes to me as I'm driving. You know the edible flavors. They come to me while I'm working. I develop the recipe in my head and then I go home and I make it right and like 90% of the time, like they're small tweaks because I know the flavor so well, I know the intensity of every flavor. Like this is just, this is not nine to five and that's really the big difference. Right Like, I'm always thinking about this and that's why, like you know, the small details are thought of. You know like the products, you know like, for the most part, they're, they're always, they've always been good. Right like, yeah, man, just because it's not, I'm not just trying to.

Speaker 2: 59:35

Okay, so our last 20 products, the what 20 products are we launching this quarter and what 20 products are we launching next quarter? Because the only revenue boost a lot of LPC is with new launches, people buy it. Shit's the bed. New products shit's the bed, right, but like this is confusing the consumer, like I'm sure you guys have stored. It's annoying when a brand drops 20 products. You don't know what one to bring in. Are you making the right decision? Is the one that you brought in the shitty one?

Speaker 1: 1:00:08

you know what I mean. Like it's it's hard honestly, I feel like me and john even pick pretty good, and lately it's been like sometimes you pick good shit and you're still getting fucked. So when, when?

Speaker 2: 1:00:19

you go on wholesale July 2nd. There's only one. Rosin has product. You don't have to think which one am I going to bring in? Yeah, I'm going to get.

Speaker 1: 1:00:27

the Rosin has drop, you bring in the one.

Speaker 2: 1:00:28

Yeah, it's a good strategy. Does it work? Let me know.

Speaker 1: 1:00:42

Cases yeah, yeah, yeah, take a chance on six. I'm gonna take a chance on six. Bring in the what's the?

Speaker 2: 1:00:46

PB&J pack, peanut butter and jelly Extensions. I've got line extensions ready. We'll see where it goes in, like that. That's. That was a cool thing, right, because the second that I had the peanut butter, you know I had the line extensions ready in it. Like I was like running around the office with my fucking arms going and everybody's just looking at me like are you okay? I'm like listen man, like still like it's real now, right, it's in people's faces. And people are still looking at me like are you okay?

Speaker 1: 1:01:14

Like All right man Well. Season three, episode one, our boy Todd, that was dope man, thanks for coming by today. Remember, follow at Rosenhead Chocolate.

Speaker 2: 1:01:26

At Rosenhead. So the main account you have to type the whole thing in.

Speaker 1: 1:01:31

Instagram doesn't like me. Okay, we're shadow man, yeah, instagram doesn't like me.

Speaker 2: 1:01:35

So at Rosenhead Chocolate, yeah, the backup account. The backup account is fun, though, because I put like some really random shit on there. Okay, I'm doing like some of the graphics on myself now. Okay, like a good amount of it. So what's the backup? So the backup page is Rosanet Chocolate.

Speaker 1: 1:01:54

Okay, that's what I did.

Speaker 2: 1:01:54

I got it right the first time, but you'll see yeah you'll just see some like random shit on there, shit that I won't put on the main page, and remember, guys, all our episodes are on YouTube and Spotify and Spotify Follow at Higher Orbit Share, subscribe, share.

Speaker 1: 1:02:10

Thank you, love you guys. Thanks for listening.

Speaker 2: 1:02:23

See you soon. Diagnostic complete all systems functioning normally.