Discover true authenticity on 'Unveiling the real Chris Prins,' while the imposter tends to his new baby son. Join Chris as he delves into genuine conversations, captivating stories, and the essence of authenticity. We Love both Chris Prins.
Discover true authenticity on 'Unveiling the real Chris Prins,' while the imposter tends to his new baby son. Join Chris as he delves into genuine conversations, captivating stories, and the essence of authenticity. We Love both Chris Prins.
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Max Grover
Chris usually does an introduction.
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Chris Prins
All three. Yeah, that's true. Well, do you want me to introduce myself? No, I just wanted to stare at your like it was it. It actually wasn't that awkward for.
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Chris Prins
Some reason, just staring at each other to two feet.
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Chris Prins
Away.
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Max Grover
This is Max and Chris Show. I don't even know what podcast. I think it's number ten. And today's guest is actually, in fact, Chris Prince.
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Chris Prins
The real Chris Brown.
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Chris Prins
The real.
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Max Grover
Live Chris Prince. Chris de Prins that normally hosts the show just had a baby and. Oh, he.
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Chris Prins
Did.
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Max Grover
Yeah, they just had their baby. So he can between like scheduling and everything. We're going to miss a week of dropping the episode so he doesn't even know we're recording this right now. I'm going to have an edit in and then going will push it out next week and.
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Chris Prins
Send it to him. Going to have a clue that the real Chris Prince what.
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Chris Prins
Baby is, is first one.
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Max Grover
First baby.
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Chris Prins
Which is.
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Chris Prins
Asher.
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Max Grover
I can't remember the middle name Asher Prince. And he's like, Yeah, it's a biblical name. Last episode, I'm sure you listened.
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Chris Prins
I did.
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Chris Prins
Yeah.
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Max Grover
But last episode, he's like, Yeah, it's a biblical name. I'm like, The only Asher I know is Asher Roth.
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Chris Prins
All right. So yeah, that's.
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Chris Prins
I just get mixed emotions on people. Like when I see people having their first baby or second or they're in that stage mean that's a, that's a brutal stage.
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Max Grover
It's so, it's so life changing from going from 0 to 1. Was that by far the biggest change in my life? Yeah, that's all we talked about. Two of them, like the other part is like that. At times when you have your first kid, you're like, Are they ever going to stop crying?
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Chris Prins
Oh yeah. You don't know anything's going to end. Like, yeah, when they start sleeping, when they're going to stop crying, when they, you know, it just feels like it drags on. I don't know.
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Chris Prins
I yeah.
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Chris Prins
That wasn't my favorite stage of life, I'll be honest. But you know.
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Chris Prins
Like, like.
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Chris Prins
Got fond memories of it or whatever. But then, like, if somebody was like, I can snap my fingers and have you go back to that stage of life, I would. There's no chance I would I would want to do that.
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Max Grover
Yeah, it's tough because there's like, so there's like moments of, like pure innocence that are just like, you wouldn't trade for anything but then like that love or whatever, all that, like the just hilarious moments or like, whatever it might be. But then the yeah, the crying or like chasing the kid around and like trying to wrangle them and like, yeah, intense.
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Chris Prins
Yeah, it's, I don't know, you just feel like you're stuck at the house. You got like it's hard to go. It's the whole deal. Every time you go somewhere, you got car seats and, you know, you got to bring strollers. So you had to be staying all more than you know. I don't know.
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Chris Prins
Yeah.
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Max Grover
So that back for everybody. This this is Chris Prinze. There's another Chris Prinze in West Michigan. Both do commercial brokerage. Yeah. So I had this crazy idea and had to basically twist this. Chris Prinze is sitting in front of us right now to come on the podcast, and Chris is better looking. He's taller, he's smarter.
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Chris Prins
Yeah.
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Max Grover
And he was my first choice to co-host the show, but he said no. So then I said, no. Yeah. So then I really no.
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Chris Prins
I never have it. Yeah, I know.
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Max Grover
This whole thing was actually his idea. Oh.
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Chris Prins
That's his idea. But no.
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Max Grover
So I just wanted to say that. So Chris is a commercial broker in town with any I and you, you have four kids as well.
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Chris Prins
Four kids?
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Chris Prins
Yeah. How old are they?
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Chris Prins
So we have our oldest is going to be a sophomore in high school. Then we have and then with the eighth grader. Sixth grader and then our son is and then I'm in fourth grade. So with three girls and a boy.
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Max Grover
And we and we talked about this a couple of weeks ago, but you're like in the thick of sports and yeah, it's crazy. Yeah, nonstop.
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Chris Prins
It's fun, though. I enjoy it. It's like there are all that too, especially with basketball right now. Like in the ages are at it's their club teams and then they're playing good club teams and good coaches good. The girls are all really nice on the team and the parents are all cool and we travel and it's it's we have a lot of fun.
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Max Grover
I'm I'm nervous about that though, because like right now our kids are the oldest. The seven, youngest is two. So they're like doing sports and hockey and stuff, but it's all like local house. Yeah, two days a week. It's not like and I'm a little nervous about, like getting to that point where you're like traveling and then trying to do like every year, you know, still doing this podcast or whatever and trying to.
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Chris Prins
Get your friend this podcast.
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Max Grover
It probably has to.
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Chris Prins
Go fizzle out, I'm sure.
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Chris Prins
Yes. If it's like, okay.
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Max Grover
We're going to make at least 15 episodes.
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Chris Prins
Left in like.
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Chris Prins
The half hours. You can't be like half pregnant with this. With the club sports, it's not like, Oh, I'll play this weekend. But I'm like, You're either playing all the stuff or you're like, not, you know, really they don't they don't love it when you're just like, pick and choose where you play, you know?
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Max Grover
Yeah, I remember even to like when I was a kid, there was like there was somebody that I can't remember his name, but anyways, like, he, like very religious family.
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Chris Prins
Oh, yeah.
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Max Grover
So like, Sundays they won't even play hockey. I don't think he made the team.
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Chris Prins
Yeah. Yeah, he got to because he really, really have. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Like, okay, like, cause like the Friday, Saturday.
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Chris Prins
Friday, Saturday. That's all a qualifier then. Then the Sunday is like one the all day, like the tournament actually starts and then, you know.
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Chris Prins
No, just bail on them. Yeah.
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Max Grover
I should try and figure out who that was. But yeah, I always thought like, when you're younger, like, you don't really think. And I get like, I get why a family would choose to do that to like, I'm not even ragging on them. But it was just like back then, it didn't make sense to me because I was so like sports was everything, but I'm like, You can't miss church.
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Max Grover
But yeah, it's kind of cool that they actually did that too.
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Chris Prins
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Chris Prins
I've, I've, I've found the job was kind of similar at first, and then gradually it was like they kind of saw how we're all working and.
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Max Grover
And you're, you're originally, you were born in California.
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Chris Prins
Yeah, San Diego. Born and raised. I came here to go to school for college and.
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Chris Prins
Okay. Yeah.
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Max Grover
And so you're born raised San Diego and came to Grand Rapids College and you ever been here before?
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Chris Prins
Well, when I was like, in fifth grade, I went to a wedding in Grand Rapids for, like, I don't know.
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Max Grover
How the heck was even on your radar.
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Chris Prins
Then my dad went went to Calvin of Calvin University now, I guess. And so he always had, you know, he'd always wanted to be on my list, you know, whatever schools. And then I kind of narrowed down to three schools and it that was one of them is like, just keep it on your list. And and the other two were were in Southern California.
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Max Grover
Did he play basketball Calvin as well.
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Chris Prins
I did for a year. Okay. I did it for a year. And then I came out and visited when I was a senior in high school and they won the national championship there.
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Chris Prins
So it made me.
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Chris Prins
Also like the Sweet 16 Elite eight. And I was like, not like what I expected. Yeah, there's a lot more fun. So.
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Max Grover
And so you're back in San Diego, you're growing up playing basketball was your it was a one and only sport or you.
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Chris Prins
Yeah, you dabble in surfing just because you have to go out there. Yeah. You know, but my dad saw surfing is counter to like anything product.
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Chris Prins
So he was always like, I get.
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Chris Prins
That you know. Yeah, we live around the beach. See everybody, you know. Oh, the old beach life. But he's like, you know, he was always like, didn't want to because, you know, service, skateboarding, all that stuff was like, really, it's really popular right there.
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Max Grover
But of course.
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Chris Prins
Ah, he.
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Max Grover
And then I remember like you telling me at one point, I can't remember who it was. But you've played against some pretty legendary guys like over in California growing up and stuff.
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Chris Prins
Yeah, yeah, we had a pretty good club team, so we played against Tyson Chandler in the NBA, the Shawn Stevenson NBA, the Green. Our are a bunch of guys who just Yeah, it's it was a lot of fun.
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Max Grover
I feel like I feel like one of the stories is like you guys like rolling in to Compton or something crazy like that too.
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Chris Prins
Yeah. Kids. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Max Grover
You're like, were you private school or you.
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Chris Prins
Were you was a.
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Chris Prins
Club teen. So there's a whole.
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Chris Prins
Bunch of kids.
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Chris Prins
Just from Southern California. But we had one where we we were at LA. It was Long Beach Poly High School in Long Beach, you know. And so then they're calling the game early because we there was almost a fight at the end and they you know, and there was almost like.
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Chris Prins
That way the game was sold.
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Chris Prins
In by like 1015 and it was like 45 states led and the rest like everybody, we're done. Everyone go. And so we're like, All right, everyone get out of the gym. Let's go. We don't want it. You know, you don't know how it's going to escalate. So we're like, everyone get. And then our coach locks his keys in his car.
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Chris Prins
So we all we're all rushing off cars and like, there's a whole.
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Chris Prins
Group of guys are all And so we're like, you know, yeah, yeah.
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Chris Prins
All the parents like, get in, let's go, let's go get lunch or something. Let's get out of here. And he is keys are sitting in his car, like in his trunk or something like that. So we just sit there and everyone's staring at us.
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Chris Prins
Oh, yeah, that's great. Yeah.
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Max Grover
And then so then you get recruited by two other schools. Three as well.
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Chris Prins
No Division one schools in California. That was only the Division three school and Division three. Basketball is not I don't know. It's in California. It's not very good. There's a ton of there's a lot of schools out there, so there's other options. So that's.
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Chris Prins
Why.
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Max Grover
So the other schools are D-1. Yeah. And you still chose to come back to California?
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Chris Prins
Yeah, just yeah.
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Chris Prins
Just was a fit. I mean, I don't know, like when you're in high school, you don't think that clearly about all that stuff. You're just like, Oh, with the bigger school, I want to go to the you know, you think it all NBA or something and then you kind of like when it's time to actually decide. You're like, So then then you kind of go.
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Chris Prins
Because I'm.
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Max Grover
Still part of me when I play men's hockey that I'm like, Yeah.
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Chris Prins
Yeah. So again, I no, I mean, I recruited it's always a joke. Like, like it's just like, like.
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Chris Prins
Involved is like a Champions tour.
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Chris Prins
Like when they're like, if they're not.
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Chris Prins
There's a basketball.
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Chris Prins
Service topic.
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Chris Prins
You know?
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Chris Prins
So I said, Yeah.
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Chris Prins
I really.
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Chris Prins
Should.
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Max Grover
Do you play anymore?
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Chris Prins
No. Kobe kind of that kind of took care of that because.
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Chris Prins
They.
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Chris Prins
Canceled every men's league and like so I'm like 41 now. And like, so when I was there 38 or whatever it happened and then it was it was if you're like 26, you take like a year and a half off of it.
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Chris Prins
You can jump any leagues.
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Chris Prins
You can jump in like a month later and find that. Then you then I start to worry by injuries and like these people with tether calves and Achilles and knees and then then you go to play a game and you're like, just standing around like, I could grab a basket, but I don't really want to, like, rip my Achilles tendon.
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Chris Prins
So I'll just kind of and then I then it kind of.
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Max Grover
This same thing happened to me with hockey where like, everything shut down and then I was so happy that I had to play anymore. And I just played. And my first I've talked about this like seven times already on this, but I played again, I don't know, like two months ago, knocked by tooth out and and fell and hurt my knee.
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Chris Prins
I'm still dealing with it. Oh, no. It was finally almost back.
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Max Grover
And then last week, my kids set up a booby trap, like in the hallway for me to, like, fall on.
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Chris Prins
Yeah.
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Max Grover
And I went for it, but I went play.
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Chris Prins
A little game. I went for.
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Max Grover
And Mary hurt my knee.
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Chris Prins
Oh, God. I like laying on the ground. Like.
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Chris Prins
Did you tough it out for them? Just like I feel bad or you.
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Chris Prins
Like, I cried a little bit. Roll around and soak it in. Yeah.
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Max Grover
So that's the same thing. Same thing. And then.
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Chris Prins
So we.
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Chris Prins
Always I would always say when I was like, you know, 24 or five or whatever, like wonderful, just like, you know, you playing all these like and then, you know, openly or whatever and you're like owner feels like eventually just play in like the blues and then the ceilings and just kind of keep, you know, playing is worse competition as you get older or if you'll be like, No, I'm not.
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Chris Prins
You know, it's not that it was nice, but that's why that was one positive move and was and is my best friend didn't have to make any decisions was like.
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Max Grover
And then you're are you already at the courts I'm sure all the time with the kids. This place or that place, you're like, I'm good.
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Chris Prins
Oh, I'll be at our house and I'll go Scottish. You better to stay in shape or whatever. And you can't. I can't even 5 minutes into it like they're doing shoe baskets socially, you know.
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Max Grover
One of my brothers is playing and I can't remember what the league is called, but it's basic. It's semi-pro hockey, but it's like it's Sorry, Zach, if you listen to this, but it's mainly.
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Chris Prins
And.
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Max Grover
It's like men's hockey, but you can hit.
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Chris Prins
Okay, So they're like hitting.
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Chris Prins
Is it semi-pro? And to me, if you're getting paid.
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Chris Prins
I think.
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Max Grover
I think some guys do get paid, then there's only like six teams in the league and around the state. And I think some of the guys are able to get paid or do. I don't even know if they make money. But Zach, they they won the championship.
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Chris Prins
This year and spring.
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Chris Prins
Do you get for that.
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Chris Prins
I don't think there's not I think there is in the right Yeah but.
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Max Grover
I'm just like it's insane to me like the idea of like some guy that's like me 2530, £40.
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Chris Prins
Maybe even Saturday.
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Max Grover
But getting hit like by that guy that's like, angry and tired and just I could be out of control.
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Chris Prins
Yeah, because.
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Max Grover
The conditioning wise, you can't keep control years. I'm like, there's just no part of me.
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Chris Prins
That's.
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Chris Prins
Like in basketball. If you're out of shape, someone's out of shape and like, you drive to the basket. They're late to help, and then they're always fouling, you know? Yeah, because they're instead of being there on time and in the right spot, they're.
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Chris Prins
You know, and they might as well.
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Max Grover
Not even they might not even, like, necessarily want to fall, but.
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Chris Prins
That's like, it's like fight or flight. Yeah, there's no chance. Yeah. So when.
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Max Grover
You come.
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Chris Prins
To Grand Rapids and.
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Chris Prins
So that was funny because when I. Well, you're saying so there was a.
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Max Grover
Guy.
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Chris Prins
Like right when I got to college a year or so afterwards, it was like they started this, it was called like the IBL or something. They had some idea of like, like a professional baseball team. But they what's hard is if you have these low level professional basketball teams, you can't really make it's hard for the clubs to make money for reason because it's not like that.
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Chris Prins
Many people are going to the game. So they had this whole thing of like, Alright, you travel, you play like a Saturday, Sunday team or whatever. Friday is this whole thing. And so I like looked at their coach, you know, the coach calls and he's like, you know, I haven't done this in first year to this day and, and he's describing it to me and it's like, All right, we'll take a bus Friday, Friday night was I take a bus out here?
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Chris Prins
It's like it's like it'll be up to 8 hours. You know, he's long bus ride with a game Saturday game Sunday and then Sunday afternoon we drive back, you know, and like, I had just gotten married and stuff and I'm like, my initial reactions like, yeah, let's do you know, let's go. And then I had all my like, talk through and figure it out and that sounds terrible.
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Chris Prins
And then it's every week.
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Max Grover
The bus on Sunday just to turn around and start working.
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Chris Prins
Isn't work. Exactly. Yeah. I was like, well then you could have a job, you know, because you know what.
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Chris Prins
Dude? Zach has two.
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Chris Prins
Thousand dollars.
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Chris Prins
Tickets for kids.
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Max Grover
And like, a pretty physically labor job he owns baths like. And he'd we'll do some of the remodeling and stuff for kids married and then I think the caveat he told the coaches he just I'm not going to practice.
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Chris Prins
It's.
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Chris Prins
Like you said earlier, just.
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Chris Prins
Good enough good is good in the game. Yeah. Yeah.
00;16;12;12 - 00;16;13;16
Chris Prins
You're not good enough to make those.
00;16;13;16 - 00;16;16;09
Chris Prins
Requests to get out here. But he got in good shape.
00;16;16;09 - 00;16;23;06
Max Grover
But you got them like he weighs like £185 right now. Oh, really? Yeah. Like high school weight. Like, that's.
00;16;23;10 - 00;16;27;13
Chris Prins
That's good. Yeah. Yeah. How's your thing going, man? He had a workout program.
00;16;27;19 - 00;16;30;06
Max Grover
Do you tell me how jacked I like.
00;16;30;08 - 00;16;34;00
Chris Prins
Compared in, like, a former man? You look incredibly.
00;16;34;00 - 00;16;37;07
Chris Prins
Jacked. I'm only four grand.
00;16;37;08 - 00;16;39;09
Chris Prins
Compared to Max and a month ago, I'm.
00;16;39;09 - 00;17;01;25
Max Grover
Four weeks in. I'm, like, almost to a point where, like, I'm hoping to. Here's what my goal is. So I want to look fat with a shirt on, like, give my shirts off. And I'm like, okay, with I prefer shirt on. And I look, that's I'll be happy with that shirt. Off Jacket is a whole new level. I don't know if I have that in me.
00;17;01;28 - 00;17;04;27
Chris Prins
When I shoot at that golf. R And you said, Do you want to read?
00;17;05;03 - 00;17;06;05
Max Grover
Yeah, I am.
00;17;06;07 - 00;17;15;09
Chris Prins
Yeah, I do. That's how we describe my into this. And I hope I heard you hard. It's hitting. We really are sitting there like, and like.
00;17;15;09 - 00;17;18;04
Chris Prins
Are you worried about the the Jonah Hill effect at all?
00;17;18;07 - 00;17;19;01
Max Grover
What's that?
00;17;19;04 - 00;17;19;18
Chris Prins
Oh, you know.
00;17;19;22 - 00;17;21;07
Max Grover
Like where you get skinny fat?
00;17;21;09 - 00;17;21;25
Chris Prins
Well, not so.
00;17;22;00 - 00;17;25;09
Chris Prins
Skinny fat bikinis for everybody.
00;17;25;12 - 00;17;28;18
Chris Prins
Like. Like you're a very likable dude. Everyone likes you, you know?
00;17;28;20 - 00;17;29;10
Chris Prins
Yeah, yeah.
00;17;29;12 - 00;17;35;09
Chris Prins
You know, everyone seems to really like you. So then, like a Jonah Hill, he came out and he was like, like.
00;17;35;09 - 00;17;37;25
Chris Prins
Heavy, like, really funny. Like, well, and.
00;17;37;25 - 00;17;39;21
Chris Prins
Then then know goes.
00;17;39;22 - 00;17;40;10
Chris Prins
Yeah.
00;17;40;12 - 00;17;50;08
Chris Prins
It's been all and he shows up to a red carpet and he's like thin and in shape and you're, and he gets, everyone gets mad. They're like, you're not funny anymore, you know, you're not likable anymore. And so.
00;17;50;08 - 00;17;51;23
Chris Prins
Then he was on a Sunday.
00;17;51;23 - 00;17;53;24
Chris Prins
Morning show and he's like.
00;17;53;27 - 00;17;56;21
Chris Prins
That's also what? So I'm supposed to just like.
00;17;56;24 - 00;18;04;00
Chris Prins
You know, be all unhealthy and out of shape and and die of a heart attack in three years just to make you guys laugh a little more, you know, He's.
00;18;04;03 - 00;18;05;27
Chris Prins
Like, Yeah. Everyone's like.
00;18;05;29 - 00;18;20;03
Chris Prins
See, we told you so. Well, Jonah Hill never yelled at us and come out. You know, their new thing. True. Jonah Hill. Jonah. So they're like, You're kind of proving our point. And then he'd get mad if you don't get gain all the way back and was like, Fine, I'm just.
00;18;20;05 - 00;18;29;09
Max Grover
Going to get shredded and jacked and then just fizzle into the brokerage community would be happy actually, to get rid of me.
00;18;29;11 - 00;18;33;13
Chris Prins
But you are your life. We'll do like there's this like.
00;18;33;19 - 00;18;43;22
Chris Prins
So if you don't suppose you don't know Max and I, we golf together at the golf outing at the car, golf outing once a year myself, Max, Tom Coleman and Darrell earlier.
00;18;43;22 - 00;18;44;19
Max Grover
I'll go there I'll go.
00;18;44;19 - 00;19;00;06
Chris Prins
There or so like ah, there's a saying that like you only roast the ones you love. Have you ever heard that? Yeah. Yeah. So like, but on that basis, you're like the most loved person in the whole person community. Well.
00;19;00;09 - 00;19;03;20
Chris Prins
I mean, cause you just get roasted all day by every.
00;19;03;26 - 00;19;13;05
Chris Prins
Single person we drive by is like a max. Don't don't have a heart attack. You know, Max is sure he can get through writing holes. You look incredibly out of shape, you know, stuff like that.
00;19;13;07 - 00;19;15;25
Chris Prins
It just it's just the last year.
00;19;15;28 - 00;19;20;20
Max Grover
The year it was like, I can't remember. I don't even know how long ago It was a.
00;19;20;20 - 00;19;22;09
Chris Prins
Long time ago when I.
00;19;22;09 - 00;19;23;21
Max Grover
Won the short.
00;19;23;23 - 00;19;25;00
Chris Prins
Stories.
00;19;25;02 - 00;19;26;07
Chris Prins
And then I didn't live it down.
00;19;26;07 - 00;19;28;08
Max Grover
But I still I still get made fun of.
00;19;28;10 - 00;19;28;21
Chris Prins
Way.
00;19;28;23 - 00;19;32;26
Chris Prins
Evolved to not have physically gone short is unbelievable.
00;19;32;29 - 00;19;34;08
Max Grover
It was like, I'm going to smoke this.
00;19;34;10 - 00;19;36;01
Chris Prins
Thing that I just fell.
00;19;36;01 - 00;19;38;25
Chris Prins
You actually hit the ball? Oh yeah, like hit the ball.
00;19;38;25 - 00;19;41;01
Chris Prins
And it's so much spun. Weird and.
00;19;41;03 - 00;19;42;17
Chris Prins
Ah, yeah.
00;19;42;20 - 00;19;43;20
Max Grover
We have fun at that.
00;19;43;20 - 00;19;45;00
Chris Prins
Oh it's, it's a lot of fun. Yeah.
00;19;45;01 - 00;19;45;14
Chris Prins
You get to.
00;19;45;15 - 00;20;00;10
Chris Prins
I'm surprised at how like I'll like the force of minus of will pull up and I'll hit, you know, I'll hit a bad shot and everybody's like, oh Chris, don't worry about it man. It's, you know, you'll get it next time. And then you hit a bad shot and, you know, everybody.
00;20;00;10 - 00;20;03;07
Chris Prins
Just jumps on you soft, you know, here.
00;20;03;09 - 00;20;05;28
Chris Prins
Are your worst golf and you are a real estate arm.
00;20;06;01 - 00;20;08;10
Chris Prins
Just ruthless. Don't one hole this.
00;20;08;10 - 00;20;11;16
Max Grover
Year like you were sitting there, it was all backed up.
00;20;11;18 - 00;20;12;18
Chris Prins
There is like.
00;20;12;21 - 00;20;17;01
Max Grover
Three groups in a row that was like, Hey, you played hockey with the guy.
00;20;17;01 - 00;20;26;15
Chris Prins
And you saw Chris Summers. Yeah. And he said, You said, Oh, I want to play. Well, maybe he was just really good. You know, they just say.
00;20;26;15 - 00;20;27;09
Chris Prins
Oh, you don't need to.
00;20;27;09 - 00;20;30;01
Chris Prins
Tell me that. Like, you know, they like in.
00;20;30;02 - 00;20;32;00
Max Grover
And he's like a stallion to.
00;20;32;02 - 00;20;37;04
Chris Prins
Like, jacked in great shape. Yeah. And they're like, Oh, yeah. Why don't you guys have.
00;20;37;04 - 00;20;44;11
Chris Prins
All you're like, Oh, this dude I know. Yeah, I played against this dude for a year, you know? And they were like, Oh, you must know Max. He's like, Who.
00;20;44;13 - 00;20;46;13
Chris Prins
Do you.
00;20;46;16 - 00;20;47;29
Chris Prins
Like? You learn on his radar at all?
00;20;48;04 - 00;20;50;08
Chris Prins
Oh, why would I be? I think.
00;20;50;08 - 00;20;51;25
Chris Prins
Brett, this year, I think the.
00;20;51;26 - 00;20;52;29
Chris Prins
Whole time.
00;20;53;01 - 00;20;57;13
Chris Prins
Well the one I think is a few later we were backed up in that I think it was Curt Ojeleye.
00;20;57;13 - 00;20;58;22
Chris Prins
Yeah, it was. Oh, do you came.
00;20;58;22 - 00;21;03;15
Chris Prins
Up and he's like, Oh man, you guys that you guys are so nice for being able to tolerate Max.
00;21;03;15 - 00;21;09;04
Chris Prins
For like 5 hours. And he came out and would see them all day.
00;21;09;08 - 00;21;20;25
Chris Prins
And then I'm looking at him and then I look over at in like revolving Darryl and I look at Darryl and then I look at her. I go, You must you must not know Darryl. I mean, she's.
00;21;20;27 - 00;21;27;07
Chris Prins
A legend that Oh, man, that's what brings.
00;21;27;07 - 00;21;28;08
Chris Prins
Us back every time.
00;21;28;12 - 00;21;29;04
Chris Prins
Darryl, you.
00;21;29;04 - 00;21;32;18
Chris Prins
Know, we get a front row seat to the Darryl.
00;21;32;18 - 00;21;36;03
Chris Prins
Hall for 5 hours. Power of the dog. Yeah.
00;21;36;06 - 00;21;36;29
Max Grover
And he just.
00;21;37;00 - 00;21;40;03
Chris Prins
We get inside his head for 5 hours, which is fascinating.
00;21;40;05 - 00;21;42;19
Max Grover
And every and terrifying does crushing it.
00;21;42;19 - 00;21;44;07
Chris Prins
By the way, guys, that's who Chris.
00;21;44;08 - 00;21;45;01
Max Grover
Dee Prince.
00;21;45;01 - 00;21;45;29
Chris Prins
Works. Yeah.
00;21;46;02 - 00;21;49;18
Max Grover
They're absolutely crushing it. They're up 30% year.
00;21;49;18 - 00;21;53;05
Chris Prins
Over year every single year for the last ten.
00;21;53;05 - 00;21;53;19
Max Grover
Years.
00;21;53;25 - 00;21;55;04
Chris Prins
They're always up. They're up.
00;21;55;04 - 00;21;56;26
Chris Prins
Like the golf.
00;21;56;26 - 00;21;59;17
Chris Prins
Outings like mid-year. And they're all.
00;21;59;17 - 00;22;01;12
Chris Prins
Like doubled what.
00;22;01;12 - 00;22;09;13
Chris Prins
They did the year full year before by mid-year. It's an unprecedented streak in golf. And, you know, it's like our 10th year and.
00;22;09;13 - 00;22;10;17
Chris Prins
Every year.
00;22;10;19 - 00;22;14;25
Max Grover
He's up on the stock market and he's up in real estate sales.
00;22;14;27 - 00;22;18;17
Chris Prins
Yeah, it's nuts. He's he's is fascinating dude.
00;22;18;20 - 00;22;25;13
Max Grover
He's Darryl also has the largest brokerage in West Michigan. Yeah according to.
00;22;25;13 - 00;22;29;19
Chris Prins
Go back and forward and him you know we fight it out every year.
00;22;29;22 - 00;22;33;27
Chris Prins
I'm like Darryl is he's like you got to go with it.
00;22;33;29 - 00;22;36;10
Max Grover
You you've like six eight years and he.
00;22;36;10 - 00;22;40;07
Chris Prins
Has 30 years. Yeah. This is our you just.
00;22;40;08 - 00;22;41;05
Chris Prins
Got us this year like.
00;22;41;05 - 00;22;42;15
Chris Prins
One year.
00;22;42;18 - 00;22;44;06
Chris Prins
This year.
00;22;44;09 - 00;22;47;24
Chris Prins
Oh, man, I love that. It's. Yeah.
00;22;47;29 - 00;22;55;24
Chris Prins
Of full disclosure that I did. I hadn't listen to podcasts ever til this week. Come on boy is going to come on last week And I'm like, Oh, I.
00;22;55;24 - 00;22;57;14
Max Grover
Better listen to one or two.
00;22;57;16 - 00;23;03;05
Chris Prins
Yeah. So then I listened to, you know, I want to get a feel for the vibe of the whole thing, you know.
00;23;03;08 - 00;23;11;26
Max Grover
This is a great job. Like he sends out, like a nice agenda of every. Yeah, yeah. I was like, Here's what we're generally going to talk about. And he usually keeps us on track.
00;23;12;03 - 00;23;16;28
Chris Prins
Because you seemed surprised when I said, Well, would you like an agenda? Or you're like, Oh.
00;23;17;01 - 00;23;23;10
Chris Prins
I guess, Chris, I'll just come in and just chat. Guess Yeah, I don't know.
00;23;23;12 - 00;23;35;19
Max Grover
Chris Oh, I Christmas So I'm like a podcast nerd. Like, I like I work out and I listen to podcasts. It's like when I'm working out, which by how jacked is clearly a lot.
00;23;35;19 - 00;23;39;08
Chris Prins
All the time. Yeah, there's a lot a lot of my guest hours. Yeah.
00;23;39;11 - 00;23;58;14
Max Grover
But he yeah, Chris is like, Hey, do you want to start a podcast? And I'm like, Yeah, let's do it. So then we did like one or two and we had like this little shit speaker in the middle of the table and you couldn't hear any, like bench seats was like super great, interesting person, and then you couldn't even hear him.
00;23;58;21 - 00;24;00;27
Chris Prins
Because he's like, Oh, I see you generally.
00;24;00;27 - 00;24;02;18
Chris Prins
I mean, you can't really rerecord.
00;24;02;21 - 00;24;12;02
Max Grover
No, no, it's not the same. So then we yeah, we went out and get this whole set up done and got somebody that didn't laugh so well.
00;24;12;02 - 00;24;28;18
Chris Prins
It's bizarre. So I'm listening all these things and so like, I'm like, I saw with your older ones, you know, or whatever, and then on your own you click on them, you know, the comes up with like a spec sheet of like, you know how long it is, you know, what episode or whatever or whatever. And then there's like a rating.
00;24;28;25 - 00;24;38;26
Chris Prins
So when I clicked on the first one, it was like, rating clean. That's one rating clean, that's one rating clean. And then I got to the John Francis episode. It said rating.
00;24;38;26 - 00;24;39;27
Chris Prins
Explicit.
00;24;40;00 - 00;24;45;10
Chris Prins
So I didn't listen to the whole thing. So I don't know. I don't know if you guys got to find.
00;24;45;16 - 00;24;46;18
Chris Prins
Them.
00;24;46;20 - 00;24;53;02
Chris Prins
Is Sorry, go on or something. No, I also that one was like the explicit rating then.
00;24;53;04 - 00;25;05;02
Max Grover
So Luke and that does the editing for us from Atlas. He, he has like this whole little checkbox for us and I think I wasn't pressing explicit but then I'm like.
00;25;05;04 - 00;25;08;24
Chris Prins
But what if somebody did you want to freak out? Yeah, I remember.
00;25;08;24 - 00;25;17;29
Max Grover
The whole hour either. Like, what if somebody said like a swear word or something? And then I'm like, and then so then I'm like, I'll just put explicit for, for now on there.
00;25;17;29 - 00;25;25;08
Chris Prins
Yeah. So you are allowed to swear. You can speak. All right. There you go. See, you could.
00;25;25;08 - 00;25;27;28
Max Grover
Yeah. You can say something horrible and end of your career if you.
00;25;28;00 - 00;25;33;15
Chris Prins
That's right. Yeah. That's what I was scared of when you first invited me on. You don't know it. It's kind of, you.
00;25;33;16 - 00;25;47;14
Max Grover
Know, we're. Now you have. We're able to pull stuff out. We the Maia podcast is Draft Today we had a poll like he had some great stories. He's like, Yeah, we're probably going to have to take that out.
00;25;47;17 - 00;25;48;29
Chris Prins
Oh yeah, the suits.
00;25;49;01 - 00;25;51;06
Max Grover
Suits got to it.
00;25;51;08 - 00;25;52;07
Chris Prins
And don't.
00;25;52;09 - 00;25;54;03
Chris Prins
That'll happen. So but it was good.
00;25;54;05 - 00;25;55;12
Chris Prins
For the corporate life.
00;25;55;15 - 00;25;57;10
Max Grover
And so we're having fun with it.
00;25;57;11 - 00;25;58;20
Chris Prins
Yeah, it's like.
00;25;58;23 - 00;26;03;11
Max Grover
It's definitely it's definitely, I would call it like a hobby.
00;26;03;16 - 00;26;04;08
Chris Prins
Yeah.
00;26;04;10 - 00;26;06;13
Max Grover
It doesn't make any money.
00;26;06;15 - 00;26;16;07
Chris Prins
I want to think so. It is. Yeah. In fact, it loses. Yeah. Hemorrhaging money. Hemorrhaging money. Yeah. Oh, that's good. But we have.
00;26;16;09 - 00;26;24;10
Max Grover
We're up to 1500 just on Apple. 1500 people. Listen, in the last 60 days. Oh, it's not bad.
00;26;24;10 - 00;26;25;22
Chris Prins
Yeah, it's not acceptable.
00;26;25;26 - 00;26;26;25
Max Grover
And it keeps going up.
00;26;27;00 - 00;26;27;29
Chris Prins
Yeah. It'll, it'll build.
00;26;27;29 - 00;26;29;29
Max Grover
This episode will probably not get very many.
00;26;29;29 - 00;26;34;21
Chris Prins
Nods as we go through as far as the volume and all the interesting.
00;26;34;24 - 00;26;36;00
Chris Prins
Stuff to say. The only.
00;26;36;00 - 00;26;37;09
Max Grover
Reason that in my list is.
00;26;37;09 - 00;26;38;23
Chris Prins
Yeah, like, yeah.
00;26;38;25 - 00;26;42;27
Max Grover
Dang, I got to listen to Max for like there's no pause from me though.
00;26;42;27 - 00;26;44;08
Chris Prins
Yeah. Yeah, that's.
00;26;44;08 - 00;26;44;22
Max Grover
Horrible.
00;26;44;22 - 00;26;48;08
Chris Prins
Actually, did I see it? Did I hear you say you went to the Thomas Rhett concert?
00;26;48;10 - 00;26;49;06
Max Grover
I did.
00;26;49;08 - 00;26;53;28
Chris Prins
Me too. You were there? Yeah. Really? For sure I was.
00;26;54;00 - 00;26;58;17
Max Grover
Yeah. I didn't even know who. I actually like the guy that performed there.
00;26;58;17 - 00;27;01;22
Chris Prins
Yeah, They seem like there were a lot of people singing along, and I knew.
00;27;01;24 - 00;27;06;12
Max Grover
More of his songs than I knew Thomas Rhett. We had a little blast of the group of people.
00;27;06;14 - 00;27;07;19
Chris Prins
Yeah, that's fun. It was fun, man.
00;27;07;19 - 00;27;11;03
Max Grover
As I struggle the concerts because I'm like, like, what do I do?
00;27;11;05 - 00;27;14;16
Chris Prins
You just not a slam on your head that's kind of out there.
00;27;14;16 - 00;27;15;20
Chris Prins
Like, I was like.
00;27;15;22 - 00;27;23;15
Max Grover
They're all like the people the group were with, my wife's friends. They're all like, stand up and like, and I was just like, sitting at like, one.
00;27;23;18 - 00;27;26;20
Chris Prins
Oh, you're saying I was enjoying it, But I'm like, what? Like, Oh.
00;27;26;20 - 00;27;37;10
Chris Prins
He's slowing it down. And did they always do either slow, you know, be slow down or resigned and I we sat down. But otherwise, like everyone said, yeah, I knew her. I knew a few of the songs. I didn't think I know any of them.
00;27;37;10 - 00;27;39;10
Max Grover
But you're a big Thomas Rhett guy.
00;27;39;11 - 00;27;39;21
Chris Prins
No, I'm.
00;27;39;21 - 00;27;44;08
Chris Prins
Not. I said. I mean, I didn't think I'd know, really. Are there any of them? But I knew more than I thought.
00;27;44;08 - 00;27;44;23
Chris Prins
Yeah.
00;27;44;24 - 00;27;51;01
Max Grover
I can't remember. Even the guy that the guy that was on before. Yeah, I know. He was.
00;27;51;01 - 00;27;53;10
Chris Prins
Fantastic. Yeah, he was good. He had a good energy, I think.
00;27;53;14 - 00;27;54;06
Chris Prins
I think I was.
00;27;54;06 - 00;28;00;02
Max Grover
Just good at like, when it was like 11:00. And usually we go to bed at like 930 ten. I'm like.
00;28;00;05 - 00;28;14;26
Chris Prins
Well, the guy I didn't know. So the guy there was two people that opened for him. The first one we got there right as he was ending, you know, he I bet he you must have played for like 20 minutes. But the guy right before him played for like an hour. Yeah, I thought he'd be like 20 minutes.
00;28;14;26 - 00;28;22;01
Chris Prins
You know, normally, as all young bands are like, you know, played for maybe 30. But he was he played almost as long as Thomas Rhett did. So I think everyone.
00;28;22;01 - 00;28;22;29
Max Grover
Was singing everyone's.
00;28;22;29 - 00;28;23;26
Chris Prins
Music. Yeah.
00;28;24;02 - 00;28;29;29
Max Grover
And then Sean, in our office, you just met, he went to Zach Bryan.
00;28;30;07 - 00;28;31;13
Chris Prins
Oh, yeah. Last night?
00;28;31;16 - 00;28;32;21
Chris Prins
Yeah.
00;28;32;23 - 00;28;34;00
Max Grover
I didn't know who that was either.
00;28;34;00 - 00;28;35;16
Chris Prins
Yeah, he's. That is good.
00;28;35;18 - 00;28;37;20
Max Grover
Just fantastic. We've been listening them all day and.
00;28;37;22 - 00;28;43;26
Chris Prins
Yes, night. I don't know anybody is anymore. I didn't even know Morgan Wallen was.
00;28;43;26 - 00;28;56;07
Chris Prins
Oh, really? I thought the first time my daughter said Morgan was in town. I did. I thought it was a girl. First of all, she then that was like the labor secretary said.
00;28;56;07 - 00;28;57;23
Chris Prins
It's just the look on.
00;28;57;23 - 00;28;58;26
Chris Prins
Her face of disappointment.
00;28;58;26 - 00;29;03;03
Chris Prins
And like, it wasn't like a funny like, Oh, that's funny. It's like.
00;29;03;06 - 00;29;04;28
Chris Prins
Just pure disappointment of like it's.
00;29;04;28 - 00;29;05;04
Max Grover
Like.
00;29;05;09 - 00;29;08;00
Chris Prins
Got staff and things happening, you know, like.
00;29;08;00 - 00;29;13;11
Max Grover
When you're growing up and you have those interactions with your parents and they're like, there's no way that they wouldn't know.
00;29;13;11 - 00;29;15;22
Chris Prins
Who this person is just saying.
00;29;15;24 - 00;29;19;06
Chris Prins
I don't know, like hearing the name out, you know, mean like, how would you not.
00;29;19;06 - 00;29;22;03
Chris Prins
Like? But I didn't hear that.
00;29;22;03 - 00;29;24;20
Max Grover
Certainly that's your side. I'm like, you're in an old man.
00;29;24;27 - 00;29;25;02
Chris Prins
Was.
00;29;25;06 - 00;29;25;27
Max Grover
41.
00;29;26;00 - 00;29;49;04
Chris Prins
41. Yeah. It was funny, though, that when I went to the Thomas for a concert with my wife and she's she's more of a country fan than I, you know. Sure. But like, so she so after the first not the very opening up of the guy whose name we can't remember though after him before Thomas Rhett when you know he's getting out he gets off stage and they got to reset up the stage.
00;29;49;04 - 00;29;57;14
Chris Prins
So there's always like a 30 minute window or whatever. So they had a DJ go up there, Oh yeah. And he was playing all like late nineties.
00;29;57;16 - 00;29;59;17
Chris Prins
Great hip hop to like two.
00;29;59;17 - 00;30;00;07
Chris Prins
Things about my.
00;30;00;07 - 00;30;00;24
Chris Prins
Wife.
00;30;00;27 - 00;30;22;20
Chris Prins
She loves to dance and she loves late nineties, early twenties, hip hop. She so she was like just in her element. Like she was, she was like oblivious to the world, dancing. And then like also in summer times wreck comes on like if you ask her now what was your favorite part of the concert deejay is like, Oh man that intermission really started.
00;30;22;20 - 00;30;23;15
Chris Prins
Back just playing.
00;30;23;23 - 00;30;24;16
Chris Prins
Banger after.
00;30;24;16 - 00;30;25;23
Chris Prins
Band. It was like.
00;30;25;25 - 00;30;28;06
Chris Prins
You know, all these late nineties hip hop songs.
00;30;28;06 - 00;30;35;17
Max Grover
I think I just like indoor concert, like sitting in a seat that like, I know I'm jacked.
00;30;35;20 - 00;30;37;13
Chris Prins
Yeah, yeah. But it's still like a.
00;30;37;13 - 00;30;46;27
Max Grover
Small LLC and you're just like next to I'm like, What do I like? What do I do with myself? Outdoor concert. Like at my gardens or something? Like it's a different Yeah, I.
00;30;46;27 - 00;30;48;13
Chris Prins
Prefer an outdoor concert for sure.
00;30;48;14 - 00;30;51;16
Max Grover
Unless it's like 100 degrees. But yeah.
00;30;51;19 - 00;31;02;20
Chris Prins
Like if you wear or you're wearing now, they don't think you're a bouncer. You got to have a bouncer vibe like a black shirt, little tie in your wrist.
00;31;02;20 - 00;31;07;16
Chris Prins
It's not meant to be tight. It's like the.
00;31;07;16 - 00;31;09;19
Max Grover
Arms that my arms are.
00;31;09;21 - 00;31;16;00
Chris Prins
Yeah, they're, they're, they're, they're filling out the shirt. Nice. It's good.
00;31;16;03 - 00;31;17;10
Chris Prins
Yeah.
00;31;17;12 - 00;31;26;05
Max Grover
So you. You come to Grand Rapids? Yeah. Play basketball for college. Are you the same because your brother played here too, right?
00;31;26;07 - 00;31;28;00
Chris Prins
Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're one years younger.
00;31;28;00 - 00;31;30;18
Max Grover
Okay, so you're the oldest one, So you're the first one.
00;31;30;20 - 00;31;37;13
Chris Prins
Well, I have two older sisters, but. Okay, I was the oldest then, so two girl is boy two boys? Yeah.
00;31;37;15 - 00;31;39;28
Max Grover
Where did your sisters go to school?
00;31;40;00 - 00;31;43;11
Chris Prins
I went to college in Iowa. And then I know now State Northridge.
00;31;43;14 - 00;31;44;14
Chris Prins
Okay.
00;31;44;17 - 00;31;44;28
Max Grover
Nice.
00;31;44;29 - 00;32;02;21
Chris Prins
She's deaf. So they have a they have a like a, I don't know, a deaf like apparently to call it a deaf arm of a college or whatever. So she's like a deaf sorority and like all Yeah, that's like a culture in itself, like communication, you know, it's, it's like.
00;32;02;24 - 00;32;03;03
Chris Prins
Have.
00;32;03;03 - 00;32;18;20
Max Grover
You, have you noticed the, like spike in, like the Internet? Like, they like these people, they get the jobs like sign, like doing sign. This is like, you know, when they get the jobs sign language in for the concert, they concerts and TVs.
00;32;18;20 - 00;32;18;28
Chris Prins
Yeah.
00;32;19;01 - 00;32;22;12
Max Grover
And then they're like, fake. Like, they're not even really. Have you.
00;32;22;14 - 00;32;23;27
Chris Prins
Seen that? Yeah, certainly.
00;32;23;27 - 00;32;27;17
Chris Prins
Something like I'm always like, who's going to these, you know, if you can't hear who's going.
00;32;27;20 - 00;32;39;16
Max Grover
Know, there will be people that are like up there literally like signing through the sign into the prison, whatever it is. And then like people that actually sun like calm out the fans completely.
00;32;39;16 - 00;32;42;27
Chris Prins
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh yeah. You can see that in person.
00;32;42;27 - 00;32;47;11
Max Grover
Like takes that job knowing that they're going to go out you.
00;32;47;11 - 00;32;53;11
Chris Prins
Either can sign or, or and you're just choosing not to or you're sign and you're like lying.
00;32;53;11 - 00;32;54;17
Chris Prins
About the whole. Yeah.
00;32;54;17 - 00;33;02;13
Max Grover
Like imagine getting up knowing that there could possibly be somebody in that crowd.
00;33;02;16 - 00;33;03;03
Chris Prins
That those.
00;33;03;03 - 00;33;05;14
Chris Prins
Songs, everybody people find out everything now.
00;33;05;14 - 00;33;07;05
Max Grover
And you still get up there.
00;33;07;05 - 00;33;07;09
Chris Prins
Yeah.
00;33;07;10 - 00;33;09;17
Max Grover
Yeah that you're going to do best.
00;33;09;21 - 00;33;12;17
Chris Prins
Yeah, yeah, yeah for your jack Yeah.
00;33;12;18 - 00;33;14;17
Max Grover
Like I'm like, I wonder how much I make for that.
00;33;14;20 - 00;33;17;15
Chris Prins
Yes. It must be these were. Yeah.
00;33;17;18 - 00;33;18;19
Chris Prins
Oh, it's funny.
00;33;18;23 - 00;33;21;29
Max Grover
So, so then you, you came jihad.
00;33;22;05 - 00;33;23;26
Chris Prins
You play basketball. Yeah.
00;33;23;26 - 00;33;30;18
Max Grover
All four years I. Calvin. Yeah. And then you stayed which is crazy that you didn't go back to Carly.
00;33;30;23 - 00;33;36;04
Chris Prins
I know. Yeah, I know. I. I don't know. It's my western Chicago, so.
00;33;36;07 - 00;33;36;18
Chris Prins
Oh.
00;33;36;21 - 00;33;37;27
Max Grover
She's not even from here either.
00;33;37;27 - 00;33;39;00
Chris Prins
Not in Chicago.
00;33;39;00 - 00;33;40;12
Max Grover
But you met her at Calvin?
00;33;40;12 - 00;33;45;07
Chris Prins
Yeah, she's three years older. Those association kindergarten when I graduated. Oh, nice. In Fort Sill.
00;33;45;07 - 00;33;46;25
Max Grover
So nice.
00;33;47;03 - 00;33;50;10
Chris Prins
You know, I don't have any meet a lot of people. I don't know.
00;33;50;12 - 00;33;52;09
Chris Prins
It. Yeah.
00;33;52;12 - 00;33;54;21
Max Grover
And is she. She doesn't teach anymore.
00;33;54;25 - 00;34;04;10
Chris Prins
No, no, she's seven. We had a third kid. I think she's tutor part time after our first kid was born. Then I just got too busy and yeah.
00;34;04;12 - 00;34;19;06
Max Grover
I always feel like for teacher, my wife was a teacher too. But they should do a better job of like, letting like a good teacher that they want to keep like teach like one day a week, even like one class or something. And suppose.
00;34;19;08 - 00;34;23;07
Chris Prins
You know, I just want a good teacher. They do that. They just they get offered that.
00;34;23;07 - 00;34;29;27
Chris Prins
I wasn't talking about my way wasn't already me. The answer for something about your wife. Well, they even like it.
00;34;29;28 - 00;34;48;25
Chris Prins
It was they switched. They she used to be able to go every other day and then they switched it toward like kindergartens would go if you did part time. You go like every day, just the morning or. Oh yeah, she would have to go in there like every day for day. Like it was nice to just go in for a day and then have a day are like, it's a lot harder to get everyone up and out, you know?
00;34;48;25 - 00;34;51;24
Max Grover
So is is her family in the hour? An hour?
00;34;51;26 - 00;34;52;06
Chris Prins
Yeah.
00;34;52;06 - 00;34;57;26
Chris Prins
Most of them. So her parents just moved out here, like just about a year ago.
00;34;58;01 - 00;35;00;12
Max Grover
They were at in Illinois.
00;35;00;14 - 00;35;10;12
Chris Prins
So they were in like Oak Brook, L.A. area and school North from the mall or whatever. But yeah, and then she's got one sister who's still out there with their family.
00;35;10;12 - 00;35;15;07
Max Grover
But so the in-laws are in town. And is your dad in town or not?
00;35;15;07 - 00;35;27;29
Chris Prins
Yeah, Yeah, he's, he's, he spends probably 80% of the time out here now. He's go back and forth a lot more. Is but I don't know he's he likes it out here is. Yeah. We're mostly all either of them.
00;35;28;03 - 00;35;29;04
Max Grover
In your brother's out here.
00;35;29;04 - 00;35;29;17
Chris Prins
Stays.
00;35;29;17 - 00;35;30;03
Chris Prins
Out here. Yeah.
00;35;30;03 - 00;35;31;09
Max Grover
Where are your sisters at now?
00;35;31;10 - 00;35;34;19
Chris Prins
So I. Sister Saratu and my other sister, she's in G.R..
00;35;34;22 - 00;35;35;14
Chris Prins
Yeah.
00;35;35;17 - 00;35;37;11
Chris Prins
She married a guy from Iowa, so.
00;35;37;14 - 00;35;40;20
Max Grover
It was pretty similar. Yeah. Great. Rapids is easy. Pull for an Iowa.
00;35;40;23 - 00;35;42;27
Chris Prins
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like. Like the.
00;35;43;03 - 00;35;46;08
Chris Prins
Yeah, it's like. Yeah, it's like if you're from Nebraska or something like.
00;35;46;14 - 00;35;48;15
Chris Prins
Yeah, yeah.
00;35;48;17 - 00;35;54;27
Max Grover
Easy pull. That's serious. So what is she does she work? No. Now she's just.
00;35;54;28 - 00;35;56;22
Chris Prins
That's just tough.
00;35;56;24 - 00;36;03;28
Chris Prins
Like she work outside the home. That's, that's the politically correct. They always say, no, my wife doesn't work. And it's.
00;36;03;28 - 00;36;05;00
Chris Prins
Like all.
00;36;05;00 - 00;36;07;12
Chris Prins
Saying, you know.
00;36;07;15 - 00;36;08;04
Chris Prins
Your wife's.
00;36;08;04 - 00;36;09;19
Max Grover
Job is way harder than yours.
00;36;09;19 - 00;36;11;04
Chris Prins
And it actually.
00;36;11;04 - 00;36;16;14
Max Grover
Is. I don't know how my wife does for kids like seven and under my.
00;36;16;16 - 00;36;19;24
Chris Prins
I don't know how. Yeah, I do.
00;36;19;26 - 00;36;25;11
Chris Prins
It's yeah, it's it's definitely hard working.
00;36;25;12 - 00;36;32;12
Chris Prins
At this hour. It's not, you know it's not. I've got a guy, Chris. Chris's job is way behind us.
00;36;32;12 - 00;36;33;11
Chris Prins
Pretty hard and we.
00;36;33;11 - 00;36;37;09
Chris Prins
Tell you that Get.
00;36;37;09 - 00;36;38;04
Chris Prins
Around, man.
00;36;38;04 - 00;36;40;08
Max Grover
It's it's fun.
00;36;40;08 - 00;36;42;02
Chris Prins
Though. So you know it's.
00;36;42;02 - 00;37;10;12
Chris Prins
Funny, though, like we're saying with like we're saying with what's going back to the baby stage. Like l That was what I was thinking about when like at first I have the same exact feelings, Like when, when we, when we hire a new agent that's like brand new, like young, no experience, whatever. I think same feelings, like I'm excited for him or her, but like, I also feel terrible for them because it's such a drain in the first few years, you know, like you.
00;37;10;12 - 00;37;12;26
Chris Prins
Just I try and talk.
00;37;12;28 - 00;37;13;20
Max Grover
Everybody.
00;37;13;20 - 00;37;16;09
Chris Prins
Out of like, I'm like, you don't want to.
00;37;16;11 - 00;37;25;19
Chris Prins
I know we're always super honest. Were like, you know, it's I got over here. You make us, you know, whatever. But we're like, it's going to suck for a few years.
00;37;25;19 - 00;37;27;19
Max Grover
All your friends are going to get.
00;37;27;22 - 00;37;30;10
Chris Prins
Like, real jobs. Yeah. Your friends will have no interest.
00;37;30;10 - 00;37;37;12
Max Grover
In getting salaries, You're getting bonuses, and you're literally still dirt for forever.
00;37;37;12 - 00;37;38;09
Chris Prins
Yes.
00;37;38;11 - 00;37;41;00
Max Grover
I'm like, This is so dumb. Why did I.
00;37;41;03 - 00;37;44;20
Chris Prins
Care? It's. Yeah, it's.
00;37;44;22 - 00;37;47;25
Chris Prins
It's it's an incline. It's pretty steep.
00;37;47;29 - 00;37;55;16
Max Grover
And then even like, even like an insurance agent, you're like, oh, you get through like, that first five year, ten year grind. But then you build the book up and.
00;37;55;19 - 00;37;58;06
Chris Prins
You get to see percent day.
00;37;58;11 - 00;37;59;14
Max Grover
Like every single.
00;37;59;14 - 00;38;02;06
Chris Prins
Year, like 70% of like, you know.
00;38;02;09 - 00;38;04;17
Chris Prins
Right. An automated and you know.
00;38;04;20 - 00;38;09;01
Max Grover
And then I'm like, wait a second, like New Year, like zero. Yeah.
00;38;09;02 - 00;38;12;25
Chris Prins
So or now you get I mean, you get repeat business obviously, but.
00;38;12;25 - 00;38;20;19
Chris Prins
I don't yeah, we start pretty out. I mean if you get through that, the only that is is like just.
00;38;20;20 - 00;38;23;12
Max Grover
Good enough not to write a bad review about.
00;38;23;14 - 00;38;23;21
Chris Prins
Yeah.
00;38;23;25 - 00;38;28;06
Chris Prins
I'll never, never going to work with a million trash and you know.
00;38;28;08 - 00;38;30;28
Chris Prins
Yeah. So yeah I don't see a lot of that. This is a.
00;38;30;28 - 00;38;31;12
Max Grover
Lot of new.
00;38;31;12 - 00;38;34;03
Chris Prins
Business. Yeah. So the concept.
00;38;34;03 - 00;38;56;05
Chris Prins
Or like the first showing ever had, like it must have been like, it was like, must have been springtime. It wasn't summer, but it's spring, but it was like a really warm, like a Saturday. Like someone, like someone want to see, like it was like an 800 square foot retail space on division on a Saturday and I remember being like, Absolutely, you know, I'm excited about it.
00;38;56;05 - 00;39;14;20
Chris Prins
So then I get up, I put a suit on, it's like 85 sunny outside on a Saturday, and I put on a suit on and I show up and in like, you know, she's not there. So I call with messages, you know, and, and I had a waiting for for an hour and a half.
00;39;14;23 - 00;39;15;22
Max Grover
Oh, my goodness.
00;39;15;23 - 00;39;17;28
Chris Prins
Cause it's just I was like, you know what? If I.
00;39;17;29 - 00;39;21;00
Chris Prins
Have come as soon as I drive away, they get.
00;39;21;00 - 00;39;24;19
Chris Prins
Held up here, you know, and then, you know, I was just like, so excited.
00;39;24;19 - 00;39;27;00
Max Grover
She's going to get pre-approval from the lender.
00;39;27;00 - 00;39;27;14
Chris Prins
Yeah, right.
00;39;27;14 - 00;39;30;21
Chris Prins
Yeah, I know. She probably showed up right as I.
00;39;30;23 - 00;39;33;02
Chris Prins
But an hour and a half.
00;39;33;02 - 00;39;35;04
Chris Prins
Yeah, because I just I was so I was like.
00;39;35;04 - 00;39;35;16
Chris Prins
Just.
00;39;35;16 - 00;39;43;22
Max Grover
To make it into, like, the decision, like you only have a finite amount of time in a day. So then you go, you spend an hour and a.
00;39;43;22 - 00;39;45;29
Chris Prins
Half, Well, this was a Saturday, so.
00;39;46;01 - 00;39;50;12
Chris Prins
Like, all day it's, you know, I know no kids that I like.
00;39;50;15 - 00;39;52;04
Max Grover
But it's so I mean, it's just.
00;39;52;07 - 00;40;03;06
Chris Prins
Like in hindsight, I'm I'm sure, like, you learn how to, like, kind of pre-qualify people and talk, you know, the questions asked to see what they're if they're for real or not like. So I'm sure it went like, Yeah.
00;40;03;07 - 00;40;04;13
Chris Prins
Hi, this is Chris.
00;40;04;15 - 00;40;11;22
Chris Prins
How is this be? Sylvia Well, yes, it is. Tell me what you want to see and I'll be like, It was like that. Like when you I see it, I'll be there any time.
00;40;11;22 - 00;40;13;20
Chris Prins
I'm definitely.
00;40;13;20 - 00;40;18;13
Max Grover
Getting better at that, but I'm still like, I'll still get surprised every once in a while when I'm.
00;40;18;13 - 00;40;19;02
Chris Prins
Like.
00;40;19;04 - 00;40;22;22
Max Grover
This isn't happening. Yeah. And then that person ends up buying and closing.
00;40;22;22 - 00;40;24;03
Chris Prins
Yeah. You know.
00;40;24;05 - 00;40;25;17
Max Grover
Like totally messed.
00;40;25;19 - 00;40;26;02
Chris Prins
Yeah.
00;40;26;04 - 00;40;38;21
Max Grover
So it's still happens. But yeah, like, I get calls like, like if you get a call, like at Saturday night on a building at like 1030 voicemail.
00;40;38;22 - 00;40;39;01
Chris Prins
Yeah.
00;40;39;02 - 00;40;42;11
Max Grover
And they're like hammered if you ever get, they are not.
00;40;42;11 - 00;40;43;28
Chris Prins
Really.
00;40;44;00 - 00;40;47;06
Max Grover
Like I'll get, I've had those or I'm like Yeah. And I call that guy back.
00;40;47;06 - 00;40;48;07
Chris Prins
Yeah. Yeah.
00;40;48;09 - 00;40;49;18
Chris Prins
If he really wants it, he'll call.
00;40;49;22 - 00;40;51;02
Chris Prins
Oh yeah.
00;40;51;04 - 00;40;52;12
Chris Prins
Like all units over.
00;40;52;15 - 00;40;53;13
Max Grover
Oh, my gosh.
00;40;53;17 - 00;40;53;29
Chris Prins
You know.
00;40;54;02 - 00;41;15;19
Max Grover
We have this live in in Battle Creek MC Catfish. Although, yeah, he's working with us. Chris knows Nelson from Calvin. But anyways, here this listing down in Battle Creek and she was like leaving these voicemails. I wish. I wish I could play em for you. My wife, son, I can't.
00;41;15;21 - 00;41;19;17
Chris Prins
I can't put it out on my social media pressure. She gets into.
00;41;19;17 - 00;41;30;21
Max Grover
Like, how? Like something about the house being, like, demonically possessed or something. Really? Like, it's a it's like a ten minute voicemail. And then she starts cussing out.
00;41;30;23 - 00;41;36;18
Chris Prins
Nick Cappie shut down all, so it's cussing him out in the voicemail.
00;41;36;20 - 00;41;38;08
Max Grover
I'm just like, I love it.
00;41;38;09 - 00;41;40;13
Chris Prins
Yeah, but I'm in a lot of.
00;41;40;15 - 00;41;42;08
Max Grover
Cabs, so that wouldn't be good to.
00;41;42;08 - 00;41;46;01
Chris Prins
Put it off. Don't do that if she tells you not to do that.
00;41;46;03 - 00;41;48;22
Max Grover
I tend to listen to you because I get over my skis little bit.
00;41;48;22 - 00;41;49;11
Chris Prins
Yeah.
00;41;49;13 - 00;41;50;10
Chris Prins
Yeah.
00;41;50;12 - 00;41;59;14
Chris Prins
I'm like, just this is fan. It's Travis. This is everybody. You see, there is two of them on.
00;41;59;16 - 00;42;01;29
Max Grover
The second one was even better.
00;42;02;01 - 00;42;04;01
Chris Prins
Oh, that's brutal. Oh, like if she ever.
00;42;04;01 - 00;42;05;21
Max Grover
Calls you again. Don't answer because.
00;42;05;21 - 00;42;09;02
Chris Prins
I want you. You got to see the voicemail. Oh, number three for sure.
00;42;09;02 - 00;42;09;21
Chris Prins
Yeah.
00;42;09;23 - 00;42;11;02
Chris Prins
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00;42;11;04 - 00;42;17;14
Max Grover
So after basketball, how like, how in the commercial, like, why commercial real estate?
00;42;17;16 - 00;42;37;08
Chris Prins
It's a good question. I, um. I met Doug Tejas when I was a senior because he was a basketball player, and so I met him, one of the coaches that helped out his name's Don Baroni, helped out with our with us to do some scouting for us. He was an older guy, but he was Doug's coach in college.
00;42;37;10 - 00;42;37;21
Chris Prins
Okay.
00;42;37;24 - 00;42;57;18
Chris Prins
And so when I was and I got to know him really well, Coach Brown really well over my four years, but then in the fall or early winter of my senior year, he had our jet and he died. So then I met Doug at his funeral. Actually, our son. And, and ah, then.
00;42;57;21 - 00;42;57;29
Chris Prins
I.
00;42;58;00 - 00;43;13;25
Chris Prins
Had met him a couple of times after that too. So when I got out, you know, you get out of school, like I always tell people that are don't know what they want to do, like just call people, you know, and just sit down with them and, you know, just see what they do and then tell them kind of that now that they'll necessarily offer you a job or anything.
00;43;13;25 - 00;43;28;16
Chris Prins
But they really radars up, you know, they they all know people and stuff. So Doug was one of the people that I called amongst a few others. And then he had a large come back and meet some of guys and some, you know, So then I met and then he ended up, you know, saying, well, if you want to get into.
00;43;28;16 - 00;43;28;25
Chris Prins
Coach.
00;43;29;00 - 00;43;30;11
Max Grover
He coached basketball at Western.
00;43;30;11 - 00;43;31;19
Chris Prins
Right? Yeah. Yeah.
00;43;31;26 - 00;43;34;07
Chris Prins
Okay. Well, but before we go to commercial real estate.
00;43;34;08 - 00;43;35;05
Max Grover
Okay.
00;43;35;08 - 00;43;49;07
Chris Prins
Oh, yeah. And so, like, man, so. So you went from like, use like I use an assistant coach at Western to is mostly men. So you chose the one career you're going to make less money and then, you know, just at the.
00;43;49;07 - 00;43;54;10
Chris Prins
Beginning, at least go from it. Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
00;43;54;12 - 00;44;03;01
Chris Prins
So yeah. So then anyway so then I, yeah, and then I think I was actually.
00;44;03;04 - 00;44;07;14
Max Grover
Do they measure you and the idea to be like over a certain height and.
00;44;07;16 - 00;44;11;15
Chris Prins
It helps we get off road. We can't say that we only had.
00;44;11;17 - 00;44;21;06
Max Grover
I have a buddy that owns a commercial brokerage out of state but they won't hire anybody under 511. But it's like, Oh, really?
00;44;21;10 - 00;44;21;24
Chris Prins
Yeah.
00;44;21;24 - 00;44;23;14
Max Grover
I'm like, I barely make the cut.
00;44;23;14 - 00;44;26;12
Chris Prins
That's after. That's totally off the record. Yeah.
00;44;26;14 - 00;44;30;14
Chris Prins
I don't even know if it is like, just don't show up. Yeah, yeah.
00;44;30;17 - 00;44;32;04
Max Grover
511 and like, so.
00;44;32;06 - 00;44;34;25
Chris Prins
Discrimination laws being violated ever.
00;44;34;27 - 00;44;39;16
Max Grover
Yeah No but they were on and I soopers I was praying for the basketball connection to the.
00;44;39;18 - 00;44;40;17
Chris Prins
Yeah a little bit. Yeah.
00;44;40;17 - 00;44;41;19
Max Grover
And the Dutch thing too.
00;44;41;19 - 00;44;49;10
Chris Prins
Yeah. That's part of that. Yeah. Because taller. I don't know it's Yeah, it's in Paul Yo and Paul. He's really tall.
00;44;49;12 - 00;44;54;27
Max Grover
Doug is. So Doug was your did you work for like on his team at all or.
00;44;54;27 - 00;44;57;04
Chris Prins
Nah I kind.
00;44;57;04 - 00;45;07;12
Chris Prins
Of saw how it originally started was his assistant was was pregnant at the time she was not going to she was going to be done. So he said, why don't you kind of this Doug's assistant.
00;45;07;12 - 00;45;12;22
Max Grover
Yeah. So we want to like that. Like clarify Not from Doug.
00;45;12;24 - 00;45;14;03
Chris Prins
No.
00;45;14;05 - 00;45;15;13
Chris Prins
Yeah, don't for that as much.
00;45;15;13 - 00;45;22;10
Chris Prins
As you and it is on to clarify that most.
00;45;22;10 - 00;45;25;24
Chris Prins
People who listen to this would probably just make that assumption.
00;45;25;27 - 00;45;30;04
Chris Prins
But so so so.
00;45;30;06 - 00;45;54;00
Chris Prins
He's like, well, maybe, you know, I think he's staying that time was like maybe I kind of learn the business through that and then a little bit and then kind of in a couple of years just to so I started out doing that for a few months. But then after I it was kind of like, might as well just get rolling with it now, you know, insulin, it was kind of was kind of crossroads of either you got to do this or be an agent or because any time to train somebody, if you're not going to what.
00;45;54;00 - 00;45;56;14
Max Grover
Time or what year is this like light.
00;45;56;15 - 00;46;08;23
Chris Prins
At the end of 2004. So, okay, so and so I can probably like March of 2005, I was like, okay, I've just kind of did I just became an agent. I was like, All right, I'm just going to roll.
00;46;08;26 - 00;46;09;25
Chris Prins
Yeah, do it.
00;46;09;27 - 00;46;19;13
Chris Prins
Yeah. So then, um, yeah, but it's like I grew up right here, so I didn't have many contacts out here and, you know, but even if you do.
00;46;19;13 - 00;46;21;19
Max Grover
Like I did, grew up knowing how many people.
00;46;21;19 - 00;46;22;24
Chris Prins
Do. Yeah, it's not like your.
00;46;22;27 - 00;46;25;11
Chris Prins
Friends are all like, Oh, you're a 22 year old.
00;46;25;18 - 00;46;27;07
Chris Prins
So. And you just, you know.
00;46;27;10 - 00;46;36;00
Max Grover
Or even, like, even out of them, how many of them actually they also have actually on actual commercial property for sure.
00;46;36;00 - 00;46;59;22
Chris Prins
Yeah. Yeah. It's like you said earlier, it's a village stuff when you first start, I think I, I sat down with this like Rod all drink and Jim debtor Jim's retired now and was like you know I don't I don't need like yeah I need to be on listings but you don't need to even pay. I don't need any of the commission.
00;46;59;24 - 00;47;03;05
Chris Prins
I just need to be on listings and I need stuff to call on. I need you know.
00;47;03;07 - 00;47;04;24
Max Grover
It helps so much. I have.
00;47;04;27 - 00;47;05;13
Chris Prins
Some.
00;47;05;16 - 00;47;09;06
Max Grover
But now it's like a flier to hand out to Cold Call.
00;47;09;06 - 00;47;30;06
Chris Prins
Where it's a reason to call somebody as opposed to just like, Hey, do you need anything like that? People don't have at least for me, they don't respond Well, I only do that. So then, um, so they I could jump on this couple listings and then and I'm like, and I kind of proposed to them like, you know, it's a you don't need to pay me.
00;47;30;06 - 00;47;43;02
Chris Prins
Be like all I'll keep track and they don't want to call. And then that way you can go to the owner and say, here's a list of people we've called or, you know, made you looked at to. You know, they can so.
00;47;43;05 - 00;47;44;06
Chris Prins
It.
00;47;44;08 - 00;47;54;06
Chris Prins
But it was different than it is now because back then there were a lot of buildings and not as many buyers and and now it's like there are no buildings.
00;47;54;06 - 00;47;54;28
Max Grover
And the opposite.
00;47;54;29 - 00;48;09;22
Chris Prins
Yeah tons. So that's why I, I think it's like I started like I said, all five. So by some I kind of felt comfortable as all eight and then you know that everything kind of fell apart in a way. It was tough. But I still I think if you're starting out.
00;48;09;22 - 00;48;11;05
Max Grover
It's that you have kids and you know.
00;48;11;06 - 00;48;14;03
Chris Prins
I daughter was born in February of oh eight.
00;48;14;04 - 00;48;15;02
Max Grover
Oh, my goodness.
00;48;15;02 - 00;48;21;29
Chris Prins
So then it was like, yeah, then my wife drove this like a little Corolla and it's like, all right, you know, this.
00;48;22;01 - 00;48;22;22
Chris Prins
Needed.
00;48;22;22 - 00;48;31;29
Chris Prins
And you need a new car. You know, I can't, you know. So I said, All right, for sure. I mean, that was the nice thing. That was a great beginning. Okay. So it wasn't like.
00;48;32;02 - 00;48;33;26
Chris Prins
Yeah.
00;48;33;28 - 00;48;46;03
Chris Prins
You know, it was kind of midway through all that. It all you could feel it start to, you know, go downhill, I guess. And then on oh nine is actually the the worst of it.
00;48;46;05 - 00;48;47;06
Max Grover
Nothing happening.
00;48;47;06 - 00;49;10;09
Chris Prins
Yeah, I just there was just buildings in your list and stuff and you're just calling and calling, calling and you're living some listed for years and it was tough. So now in that sense it was, it was frustrating. But like, if you're just starting now, it's hard to see even listings like, All right, give me listings to call on you pick up the phone and make a phone call and sorry, that's sold, you know.
00;49;10;11 - 00;49;14;25
Chris Prins
Yeah, right. You have like half a day to try to sell, sell, sell, sell quickly.
00;49;14;25 - 00;49;21;12
Max Grover
Now, that did the hard part is actually getting the listing and competing for the relationship.
00;49;21;13 - 00;49;22;09
Chris Prins
Absolutely. Yeah.
00;49;22;14 - 00;49;28;02
Max Grover
And it's like once you have that listing and obviously you have to put work into it and showcase it and.
00;49;28;05 - 00;49;29;04
Chris Prins
Oh yeah, set it all.
00;49;29;04 - 00;49;34;18
Max Grover
Up. I'm not. But once you have that listing, I mean at that point you're, you're, you know, it's going to sell.
00;49;34;18 - 00;49;37;20
Chris Prins
Yeah, for sure. So if you're just starting out, it's hard to sell.
00;49;37;21 - 00;49;38;19
Max Grover
If it's priced right.
00;49;38;19 - 00;50;11;06
Chris Prins
And like, look, when I started out I would then I would just take even if I wasn't a listing, I would just take I'd go and stable my business card to it or something. And then just go talk to people and, you know, call them people around it. And, you know, it's it was crazy effective that is but that so that was like I always tell our younger guys like if you if you look at it like it's like there's two wheels there's like the the one wheel you're turning that's like, you know, bankers, attorneys that your long term relationships, you know, for resources, that type of thing.
00;50;11;06 - 00;50;18;26
Chris Prins
And then you've got the other wheel you're turning. That's like you've got to be on making calls and you know, try to generate stuff that way. You know, call it users call.
00;50;18;28 - 00;50;20;18
Chris Prins
Yeah, right.
00;50;20;20 - 00;50;25;20
Chris Prins
Yeah. But you got to you got to do it. You got to do it all you can.
00;50;25;22 - 00;50;53;28
Max Grover
And it, it, it is like I say, I was trying to think about it like is it just like a because a lot of people obviously don't, but is it just like a time thing for people do you think of like you just got to stay in it and be honest and work hard? Or is it a Eventually you get over that hump or do you think, Oh, because there's maybe we weren't even talked about this before, but there's not really a there's not a similar terroristic.
00;50;53;28 - 00;50;55;09
Chris Prins
No, that's people say it's a.
00;50;55;09 - 00;50;59;16
Max Grover
Broker broker like that. They're like, oh, it's this type of person.
00;50;59;23 - 00;51;29;11
Chris Prins
Like there's guys in office. We're just methodical. Like they're more introverted, but they're like methodical and they have a system and they work the system every day, you know, and they're discipline. There's other people that are made more outgoing and little less methodical, you know, but that works for them. And some are a hybrid, you know, that that's always fascinated me is if you can't like if you were to like describe the perfect broker or whatever, like it'd be a little bit of, you know, a little bit of a bunch of different people.
00;51;29;11 - 00;51;30;02
Chris Prins
It's not it's.
00;51;30;02 - 00;51;46;01
Max Grover
So and that's it's got to be so hard for like a, you know, and I where you guys have a lot and you're bringing new guys in and going like how do we know if this guy is even a good fit or not? Because you're going to spend the next two years trying to get them over the hump and he can leave at any time.
00;51;46;01 - 00;52;07;15
Max Grover
So now you've given you might have put him on listings that you want have wanted to put them on if you didn't know he was going to be. And I struggle with that even at our especially at our smaller boutique brokerage people, it's like, how do you know? Like, how much do you want to invest into somebody if you don't know or even even bring them on.
00;52;07;15 - 00;52;26;21
Chris Prins
If you're going to if once you bring them on, you got to invest 100% of it. At that point, it's like you decided you're going to invest. You can't just say, well, we'll see how they do. Now there are situations where you're investing in them and they're just not there. They're not around enough or they're, you know, they're not really, you know, putting in an effort.
00;52;26;22 - 00;52;30;04
Chris Prins
And then then, you know, people will start to invest in them less.
00;52;30;12 - 00;52;31;07
Chris Prins
Yeah. They give.
00;52;31;07 - 00;52;33;19
Max Grover
Them they them the shot upfront and then they kind of say.
00;52;33;20 - 00;52;40;13
Chris Prins
Yeah, yeah, sure. That to me that's real grinding and you're calling and you know, and you're, you're making calls.
00;52;40;13 - 00;52;53;23
Max Grover
That's, you know. Well that's even the I already brought him up on cash although like he's 32, 38 and he just got in last year and so he's in grind mode now.
00;52;53;23 - 00;52;55;13
Chris Prins
Yeah. And I'm like.
00;52;55;15 - 00;53;03;16
Max Grover
Before you got I'm like, dude, you don't want to do this. Like, you don't. You're going to start over at zero. It's going to suck. You're not going to make anything for two years.
00;53;03;16 - 00;53;05;21
Chris Prins
But what's funny is you're so glad you did, I'm sure, Right?
00;53;05;21 - 00;53;07;08
Chris Prins
Like, I'm I'm I'm ecstatic.
00;53;07;08 - 00;53;28;12
Max Grover
He's grinding, he's pushing, and he's he's way and I tell him this all the time, like, dude, you're way further ahead than where I was two years into this. Like, he's already. And and it probably does help that he has already established relationships of people that are in positions of influence I guess, or something. But he, he's working.
00;53;28;14 - 00;53;30;04
Max Grover
Yeah he's working super hard.
00;53;30;07 - 00;53;30;23
Chris Prins
Oh that's good.
00;53;30;25 - 00;53;35;04
Max Grover
So that it makes it like you're saying now it's way easier to be like, Hey, run with this.
00;53;35;04 - 00;53;53;12
Chris Prins
Yeah, yeah. Come on this. Listen to me. Because, you know, you, you he's, he's working hard and, you know, so it's kind of there's always, I guess, answer your other question. Like, it's hard to know if you just kind of use your best judgment. You know that from meeting with someone, if you to.
00;53;53;12 - 00;53;54;10
Max Grover
Be like he's six.
00;53;54;10 - 00;54;00;02
Chris Prins
For. Yeah, he's actually yeah, he's Christian reform so.
00;54;00;08 - 00;54;00;15
Max Grover
There's.
00;54;00;15 - 00;54;08;26
Chris Prins
No way. Yeah his dad owns a bunch of primary guy. Yeah that's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00;54;08;28 - 00;54;10;23
Chris Prins
And it's.
00;54;10;25 - 00;54;11;10
Chris Prins
That's cool.
00;54;11;13 - 00;54;35;01
Chris Prins
It's, it's hard to know how to train like, because part of the training is you got to just trial and error a little bit like just got to do it and I saw are younger guys like doing something is better you know. Yeah you can you see people overanalyze stuff and like try to get overprepare for something and you know, before I call these people, I'm going to do all this stuff before I, you know, it's.
00;54;35;01 - 00;54;36;15
Chris Prins
Like just, yeah, at.
00;54;36;15 - 00;54;59;21
Chris Prins
Some point you know, you're better off doing something. Well, I don't want to do this if it's going to be like that, just yep, make the calls. Go, go meet with people. Go. Got. I remember when I started, I'd go to I made a lot of calls. I'd be out, you know, and then I'd go to like, you know, networking stuff, you know, lunches and stuff and breakfasts and whatever else, networking group, all that stuff.
00;54;59;21 - 00;55;24;10
Chris Prins
And it was like you'd go for like you'd go to eight of them and you'd have like, nothing to show. But part of it was always like Walmart, Is lunch lunchtime? Like if they do something better, I'm doing it lunch, you know, like, like I go sit in the office and then, then, then at nighttime, you'll like I remember I went to this Wyoming Chamber like a launch state of I don't remember this weekly lunch or whatever.
00;55;24;12 - 00;55;29;05
Chris Prins
And like it was, it was kind of like the speed networking, like kind of the like, you know.
00;55;29;10 - 00;55;31;14
Max Grover
So it's so hard sometimes. Yeah.
00;55;31;19 - 00;55;51;10
Chris Prins
But then like, everyone in, like five, six, seven times and it's like, you don't really you're meeting, you know, people that are, you know, really going to be clients or anything like that or for sources. And like you just so by the time you're like, All right, I'm going to just one more time. Then I remember sitting next to a guy who is like a business culture consultant or something, it was like, Oh, I've got a client.
00;55;51;10 - 00;56;01;02
Chris Prins
He's building a building like a an office building or retail building or something. And yeah, he's got a center for part of it, but he needs at least the whole, you know, and then we end up getting the list, you know what I mean?
00;56;01;05 - 00;56;02;15
Chris Prins
Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
00;56;02;17 - 00;56;10;22
Max Grover
But yeah, that's, I think you were actually the one because I met with you. But. Yeah, Yeah, I stole your biggest client.
00;56;10;22 - 00;56;18;01
Chris Prins
Yeah, he's my son. Also. Max's dad ghosted me when I left.
00;56;18;03 - 00;56;27;04
Max Grover
My kid is in brokerage now. Yeah, Yeah. So, Chris. Chris, actually, you didn't have that building listed over.
00;56;27;04 - 00;56;29;17
Chris Prins
No, no, I. I'm trying to think how it was.
00;56;29;24 - 00;56;32;04
Max Grover
I think if somebody you know, I did though.
00;56;32;06 - 00;56;33;09
Chris Prins
No.
00;56;33;12 - 00;56;35;10
Chris Prins
It wasn't until I.
00;56;35;13 - 00;56;37;01
Chris Prins
The one I think it was true.
00;56;37;08 - 00;56;40;12
Max Grover
But you might be right. Yeah, that sounds great.
00;56;40;13 - 00;56;51;04
Chris Prins
But I someone, someone had referred him to me. I can't remember like a line or somebody. I think it was a lender or something and yeah, awesome. Is good.
00;56;51;06 - 00;56;57;03
Max Grover
He So he bought the building. It's probably like 2010.
00;56;57;05 - 00;57;00;28
Chris Prins
Yeah. Yeah. It was one and everything was incredibly.
00;57;00;28 - 00;57;03;10
Max Grover
Or maybe 12. Actually. I'm not really close and.
00;57;03;10 - 00;57;10;07
Chris Prins
It's somewhere that is probably closer to 1210. Yeah. And it was he should.
00;57;10;09 - 00;57;10;21
Chris Prins
He should have.
00;57;10;21 - 00;57;11;23
Max Grover
Stuck with you if you kept.
00;57;11;23 - 00;57;16;09
Chris Prins
Bringing it down anything like that. There's no way you.
00;57;16;11 - 00;57;22;12
Max Grover
No it's impossible. I don't remember what he paid for that thing but I mean the appreciation that's happened, it.
00;57;22;12 - 00;57;27;01
Chris Prins
Was like $40 a foot for, not for like a and it was like a newer office buildings. Outrageous.
00;57;27;02 - 00;57;31;06
Max Grover
And then like a year later, fresh time got announced, right?
00;57;31;07 - 00;57;32;05
Chris Prins
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00;57;32;05 - 00;57;32;24
Max Grover
Like the Mac.
00;57;32;29 - 00;57;35;10
Chris Prins
Which actually kind of screwed him because he's.
00;57;35;12 - 00;57;35;27
Chris Prins
He's like, I.
00;57;35;27 - 00;57;38;09
Chris Prins
Want to buy his building because I work out at the Mac. And anyway.
00;57;38;09 - 00;57;43;03
Chris Prins
He took out or bought at or what's.
00;57;43;03 - 00;57;44;00
Max Grover
All on racquetball.
00;57;44;01 - 00;57;55;29
Chris Prins
Racquetball? Yeah, Racquetball. Yeah. Right now he's into pickleball. Yeah. And then they, they ripped it down, so he was a bomb. Them. I do this the best that I have it like I know he.
00;57;56;01 - 00;58;05;23
Chris Prins
But he so I, I had there's some vacancy in there and at it was or whatever and then I call them to like a real estate and it's like he's not on there.
00;58;05;26 - 00;58;06;22
Chris Prins
That's.
00;58;06;24 - 00;58;08;03
Chris Prins
Like he's, he's like cool guy.
00;58;08;04 - 00;58;13;10
Chris Prins
He's super easy going Yeah exactly. Like he's not super. He knows your work out working.
00;58;13;15 - 00;58;14;25
Max Grover
He knows you. So yeah.
00;58;14;25 - 00;58;16;06
Chris Prins
Yeah, yeah. It's not like he was.
00;58;16;09 - 00;58;17;01
Max Grover
To need a daily.
00;58;17;01 - 00;58;17;26
Chris Prins
Update and you.
00;58;17;26 - 00;58;27;16
Chris Prins
Carry, you know, I'm like, you know if he's unhappy, you can just be like, Yeah, I'm unhappy. Like, I don't support him. So, you know, so then, so then.
00;58;27;18 - 00;58;27;21
Chris Prins
He's.
00;58;27;23 - 00;58;29;18
Max Grover
Try waiting for me to get a license.
00;58;29;20 - 00;58;47;06
Chris Prins
Or. Yeah that's he was you were just in. So then I would fly to Florida like for spring break or something and we get on the airplane and walk in and I'll start to look over on like chest and it's here and your mom is sitting there in like the look. He looked up and it was.
00;58;47;06 - 00;59;03;03
Chris Prins
Like I said, it was like really on. Anyway. Yeah. And so I am sure I joked about following him on the air. All I know is on this flight and the butterflies you just flew down Florida and then flew right back. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
00;59;03;05 - 00;59;13;11
Chris Prins
And get off the plane just but then he these I just really I didn't bring it up and then he's like, I'll give you a call when I'm back. And he told me that you're like that.
00;59;13;12 - 00;59;19;07
Max Grover
So yeah, I mean that was probably like I said, I haven't found anything like that for him. I.
00;59;19;09 - 00;59;23;00
Chris Prins
I know that. So you just got to dig deep and.
00;59;23;03 - 00;59;23;28
Chris Prins
Work a little harder.
00;59;23;28 - 00;59;27;22
Chris Prins
Than I'd say. Yeah, I think. Yeah.
00;59;27;23 - 00;59;29;05
Max Grover
That feeling, son. Well.
00;59;29;07 - 00;59;30;03
Chris Prins
I'm sure. I'm sure.
00;59;30;05 - 00;59;33;20
Chris Prins
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Thank you. Well, yeah.
00;59;33;23 - 00;59;35;18
Chris Prins
Yeah. When you inherit one day. Yeah.
00;59;35;21 - 00;59;39;22
Chris Prins
I'm priority out of the will. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm right out of the. Well.
00;59;39;25 - 00;59;40;29
Chris Prins
I'm sure you're low on the lazy.
00;59;40;29 - 00;59;42;24
Chris Prins
Yeah, yeah. I'm like, well.
00;59;42;24 - 00;59;47;00
Max Grover
Guys, you know, Dad bought it. Yeah. So I'll just take it off your hands.
00;59;47;02 - 00;59;52;18
Chris Prins
This is all right now. And then the. Oh, the.
00;59;52;18 - 01;00;11;02
Max Grover
Other thing I wanted to say about Doug because we brought him up, is like, I kind of I was thinking about the other day, like where there's, like, certain people in our industry that I don't know how Doug, how old Doug is, but like, when one day, if he decides, like, retire, which who knows if he a lot of guys in our industry don't.
01;00;11;02 - 01;00;11;21
Chris Prins
Yeah.
01;00;11;24 - 01;00;30;13
Max Grover
But there's like some of those guys like him that like the market I feel like goes with him as far as like what's the morals is too strong of a word but like the character of people and like he's like one of those people that I feel like keeps the West Michigan market in check. Like base.
01;00;30;13 - 01;00;31;06
Chris Prins
Cooperative.
01;00;31;09 - 01;00;31;16
Chris Prins
Yes.
01;00;31;17 - 01;00;33;16
Chris Prins
Yeah, Yeah. I'm trying the brokerage.
01;00;33;18 - 01;00;34;03
Chris Prins
The brokerage.
01;00;34;03 - 01;00;34;29
Max Grover
Guarantee where it's.
01;00;34;29 - 01;00;43;08
Chris Prins
Like I thought that was stand two and stand out. Yeah. Shoot that you know, because he was always like cooperate they like.
01;00;43;11 - 01;00;43;18
Chris Prins
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01;01;13;20 - 01;01;32;14
Max Grover
If you were thinking there's no way that somebody doesn't have like like at the end of the day. Like what? Like what would Doug think about something like this? It has to cross people's back. Yeah. Yeah. Because I know like, even, like I've had that I only work with dogs. Yeah. It's like how, And I've called Doug and I'm like, Doug, how would you handle this?
01;01;32;17 - 01;01;35;28
Max Grover
Yeah, As I say, he's. He's one of the best people.
01;01;36;01 - 01;01;36;13
Chris Prins
Yeah.
01;01;36;13 - 01;01;46;14
Chris Prins
And like, like if you get in a jam or whatever, and he's like, well it's called, you know, it's gonna figure out in people era it took a different conversation than, than you or I would have with someone. You know, he's like.
01;01;46;16 - 01;01;49;02
Max Grover
It's like, cool, calm, collected.
01;01;49;04 - 01;01;52;04
Chris Prins
Non-Emotional. Yeah. Like it's, he's.
01;01;52;04 - 01;01;53;25
Chris Prins
Like a very much a golden rule guy.
01;01;53;27 - 01;01;57;14
Chris Prins
Like, yeah, that's. How would you feel? You say that to you.
01;01;57;15 - 01;02;01;22
Max Grover
So I call him. He's like, well, how would you want to be treated?
01;02;01;24 - 01;02;07;20
Chris Prins
And like, Well, I wouldn't do this to somebody. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01;02;07;22 - 01;02;25;15
Max Grover
So I was kind of like, wonder about that because like his age demographic and then it's, you know, the guys that are like 35 to 40 who is us? There's not a no Yeah. People in that age because probably because okay.
01;02;25;18 - 01;02;34;15
Chris Prins
Watch and I try to figure to there's not a lot of younger like if you think about like people are 25 or even under 30 in our industry like brokerage wise it's.
01;02;34;18 - 01;02;48;17
Max Grover
I think it was like Sherry shared it with the board like not that long ago and like the 18 to 20. I mean, there's my mind I'm like, that's a huge opportunity for, you know, a 20 year old kid that wants to get in right now.
01;02;48;22 - 01;02;50;17
Chris Prins
Yeah, it's fine then.
01;02;50;17 - 01;03;03;08
Max Grover
Now everyone can sit here while I search and don't find it out. Here it is 18 to 29.
01;03;03;10 - 01;03;04;09
Chris Prins
18 to 29.
01;03;04;11 - 01;03;16;21
Max Grover
5.1% of our association where the 3239 is 17% and 40 to 49 is 18%.
01;03;16;24 - 01;03;19;10
Chris Prins
Fifth of the rest of it's only 50.
01;03;19;12 - 01;03;29;01
Max Grover
52, 59, 27% in 60 to 69, 20%. Wow. 70 plus 12%.
01;03;29;02 - 01;03;32;24
Chris Prins
Wow. That is. Yeah, that's wild.
01;03;32;27 - 01;03;37;16
Max Grover
Very wild. And then it's 81% male.
01;03;37;19 - 01;03;38;07
Chris Prins
Oh, really?
01;03;38;08 - 01;03;41;18
Max Grover
So I guess we are a little.
01;03;41;20 - 01;03;43;10
Chris Prins
Yeah.
01;03;43;12 - 01;03;46;02
Max Grover
Although I guess.
01;03;46;05 - 01;03;56;05
Chris Prins
You know, to take that out, you know, Chris, I guess I'll just, I, I was your voice. Yeah. No, but that's, I mean there's a.
01;03;56;05 - 01;04;11;11
Max Grover
Huge opportunity for, for somebody that wants to take the risk. And that's all the hard part though too, is like you do have to have some ability, some like for me, my wife was working. That was my staying.
01;04;11;14 - 01;04;12;26
Chris Prins
Similar, but she was.
01;04;12;29 - 01;04;15;23
Max Grover
She was a teacher. Yeah. I got to be on her insurance. Really?
01;04;15;25 - 01;04;37;11
Chris Prins
Honestly, you know, everyone. I was at least naive, you know, You don't know. You know, Doug's like, it's. I'm telling you, it's going to be a grind at school. And, you know, you don't you don't really understand, like, till you're in it. But I, we tried to be pretty open with the people that are like because you get calls from people that are, you know, kind of interested or maybe want to, you know, get into it.
01;04;37;11 - 01;04;39;09
Chris Prins
Yeah. You know.
01;04;39;09 - 01;04;55;09
Chris Prins
Even for the idea of it's like you almost air on the side of like this is, you know, this is a situation, you know, this is real. Here's a realistic situation where it could be three years from now, it could be, you know, where you're slugging it out. You know, you're not really ready for that.
01;04;55;13 - 01;05;12;23
Max Grover
And it's like if you're not going to do it for the rest of your life, you may as well not even start like in your mindset, isn't that I'm going to be doing this for 30 years. 20 years? Yeah. To learn it and be a part of it and grow with it. Like, then why would you even go through the first year?
01;05;12;24 - 01;05;14;13
Max Grover
Like, go get it, go get it.
01;05;14;13 - 01;05;14;26
Chris Prins
Yeah.
01;05;14;27 - 01;05;17;15
Max Grover
Job that gives you four one gay and.
01;05;17;17 - 01;05;43;14
Chris Prins
Black friends real estate. Like what I liked about it is still like, but what kind of drew me to it was it seemed like everyone is interested in it. Like if you don't if somebody doesn't own anything, any real estate or they own a house or duplex or industrial building, whatever it is, like everyone's intrigued by it and everyone has like this dream of owning, you know, just feels like owning some real estate.
01;05;43;16 - 01;05;48;11
Max Grover
Well, I saw this thing that this is not verified. I'm sure.
01;05;48;14 - 01;05;49;14
Chris Prins
Fact check this, but.
01;05;49;15 - 01;05;54;15
Max Grover
Has more millionaires have been made through real estate than any other industry?
01;05;54;18 - 01;05;56;15
Chris Prins
Yeah, that that wouldn't surprise me.
01;05;56;15 - 01;06;08;04
Max Grover
I mean, even just from appreciation and from your house or our first home we bought and those are heights and. And the three, four or five years we live there doubled in price. Yeah. And what a blessing that is.
01;06;08;08 - 01;06;20;09
Chris Prins
Yeah. Yeah. So yeah. And I don't know, that's why I like it. What's nice is when you call someone, you say we gave the building authority for sale. They never, I don't know that I've ever had it. And when slam the phone and tell.
01;06;20;09 - 01;06;22;05
Chris Prins
Me oh super. It's always an.
01;06;22;08 - 01;06;23;28
Max Grover
Investment for them. Yeah, exactly.
01;06;23;28 - 01;06;24;05
Chris Prins
Yeah.
01;06;24;05 - 01;06;49;18
Chris Prins
Like, well, even if they're just curious what, what's my building, you know, And then I always like, like the concept of as basic as it always is more complex, but it's the basic thing was like, all right, you have a building and your mortgage is $3,000 and the tenants are paying you $5,000 like that. Just seems so simple to me.
01;06;49;18 - 01;07;08;29
Chris Prins
Like, well, that then that's cash flow to get in and you know, you're paying down debt and you're it's hopefully appreciate in value. And those three things you draw more like that always seems so simple to me even when I was like 22, like it's the thought of owning stuff and having people pay off your mortgage for you and can.
01;07;09;00 - 01;07;26;17
Max Grover
The part that most people don't even understand, including most brokers, is the depreciation side to the the capturing the depreciate nation under your taxes and what that does for you. And it's I mean I don't even completely understand it but I do but I like not CPA wise but it's.
01;07;26;20 - 01;07;27;04
Chris Prins
Yeah.
01;07;27;04 - 01;07;27;28
Max Grover
It's an incredible.
01;07;27;28 - 01;07;30;28
Chris Prins
You know a single year depreciate I mean it's unbelievable.
01;07;31;01 - 01;07;32;22
Max Grover
Yes. Those are the best thing ever.
01;07;32;24 - 01;07;37;00
Chris Prins
Yeah. Yeah and stuff. Yeah. Cost savings. Yeah.
01;07;37;01 - 01;08;03;28
Max Grover
No it's, it was 100% year on and now it's 80%. Yeah. You can depreciate. So if you buy a building and any improvements that you put into that building. So if it's new construction or a massive renovation you get to take, now it's only 80%, but you get to take 80% of that and depreciated against your taxes. And if it if it's over that you can even roll it forward the next year.
01;08;03;28 - 01;08;22;02
Max Grover
So yeah, it's an incredible it's it's crazy. Yeah, it's I mean it's it's a lot of the reason why you see new developments about that is is those things that you're like why would somebody take this massive risk. Yeah why would somebody buy? And it's like, well, why would somebody buy a six cap thing? Well, it's not just about.
01;08;22;02 - 01;08;22;16
Chris Prins
Yeah, there's.
01;08;22;16 - 01;08;23;23
Chris Prins
Other building houses. Yeah.
01;08;23;26 - 01;08;34;21
Max Grover
So many different layers. So yeah, as far as 1031 and deferring capital gains tax etc.. Yeah. It's a yeah it is fascinating.
01;08;34;21 - 01;08;43;25
Chris Prins
Oh yeah. And like when I started out like that was like what I saw. Okay, that always made sense to me then, then you kind of.
01;08;44;02 - 01;08;45;03
Max Grover
Like the neighbors would.
01;08;45;03 - 01;08;49;10
Chris Prins
Be, you know, just the real estate and all that stuff.
01;08;49;10 - 01;09;07;19
Chris Prins
And it's like, okay, that. And then I always knew, like if I get into this world, I'll know, you know, you got to learn what what tenants like and buildings, what they dislike, what they like. You know, you learn to think like a tenant to, you know what I mean? And then stuff and you can look at it through the eyes of a tenant.
01;09;07;19 - 01;09;12;15
Chris Prins
You can see, okay, just something a tenant would like or not like because it's a building.
01;09;12;17 - 01;09;23;09
Max Grover
Yeah, there's, there's definitely a truth to that. But then there's also like part of, like being in the brokerage side and moving into the ownership side where like, you see so many of the pitfalls too.
01;09;23;11 - 01;09;24;14
Chris Prins
We're like, Yeah.
01;09;24;15 - 01;09;36;07
Max Grover
You get a little joke and you're like, No, not going to. That doesn't work or that won't work because like, I saw this and this, this person and then the next guy does it and it works.
01;09;36;07 - 01;09;36;14
Chris Prins
Yeah.
01;09;36;14 - 01;09;40;02
Max Grover
And that just ignorance is bliss almost. Yeah. Like they move.
01;09;40;02 - 01;09;41;04
Chris Prins
Forward. Yeah.
01;09;41;07 - 01;09;42;14
Max Grover
So there is some of that too.
01;09;42;16 - 01;10;00;11
Chris Prins
Well there's like, like it's like if you have a client Rivers own buildings for like 40 or 50 years or whatever, like you going to do a lease and they have like 20 different scenarios that they've been burned on in the past that they're trying to, you know, it's only been one time each. But Austin Middle East is like this just onerous like.
01;10;00;11 - 01;10;01;05
Chris Prins
Yeah.
01;10;01;07 - 01;10;09;15
Chris Prins
Overwhelming lease to try to like stop all of these scenarios from happening you know for you know you know it's only been one time for scenario for 50 years you know and.
01;10;09;15 - 01;10;31;08
Max Grover
And that's the flip side to where it's like you're in brokerage, you know that like, like speed. So it's like tenants interested. They want to write a letter of intent. They write it. They get the lease that week to review. It's not super onerous. It's cut and dry pay and everything will be fine and move and get them in.
01;10;31;09 - 01;10;41;29
Max Grover
Yeah. And it's like that speed or it's some landlords just can't move out too much real estate. Maybe it's just a back burner. Don't. And it's like there's huge opportunity in that too.
01;10;42;00 - 01;10;42;29
Chris Prins
Where it's Oh yeah I.
01;10;42;29 - 01;10;43;28
Max Grover
Can just make a decision.
01;10;44;05 - 01;10;46;04
Chris Prins
Yeah, yeah it, yeah.
01;10;46;06 - 01;10;48;16
Chris Prins
Speed the momentum of it all. You know, it's still.
01;10;48;16 - 01;10;50;12
Max Grover
Emotional at the end of the day a lot of the times.
01;10;50;12 - 01;10;50;29
Chris Prins
Right. Yeah.
01;10;50;29 - 01;10;54;05
Chris Prins
On that when they're excited about it and want to move in.
01;10;54;07 - 01;10;58;12
Chris Prins
Yeah. Want to move in. Yeah. Yeah. I don't.
01;10;58;15 - 01;10;59;13
Chris Prins
They want to move in.
01;10;59;16 - 01;11;04;02
Chris Prins
Let's let them. I don't, I got, you know. Yeah.
01;11;04;04 - 01;11;22;10
Chris Prins
So it's, we got like we had one in Battle Creek, we got burned out or a tenant, you know, somebody want to buy it and there was a tenant in there and they, you know, like a hold over clause and you know, they were manufacturer. And, you know, the truth is if there's a tenant in there and they don't want to move out, it's not easy to get them out.
01;11;22;12 - 01;11;22;25
Max Grover
100.
01;11;22;25 - 01;11;28;23
Chris Prins
Percent. And you don't really get that, you know, while their lease is up while, again, 30 days notice.
01;11;28;26 - 01;11;29;28
Chris Prins
But how you what.
01;11;29;29 - 01;11;45;12
Chris Prins
The legal process is. Yeah. You know so you got there's some stuff like that'll work and then you do have to put stuff in you you learn what to put in your leases that kind of like help you with that. If it happens, nothing. You can stop it from happening, but at least make.
01;11;45;12 - 01;11;57;07
Max Grover
It and get yourself out of that death spiral of like noticing for nonpayment judgment. Court paid off. Yeah. Then two months later, same thing. Rinse and repeat.
01;11;57;10 - 01;12;20;11
Chris Prins
Because we had it where we, we collected, we were collecting rents and you know, we attorney, you know, we consulted an attorney and it was like, yeah, you can collect, yeah. You can keep collecting rent from because they kept paying rent even though they were in, in the all we told them there you know. Yeah. Before we gave them notice like we want you out.
01;12;20;13 - 01;12;30;27
Chris Prins
Yes. Someone buying the building and then they're like well yeah but you can keep, you can keep cashing the checks that they send you and they use against us in court like it was like.
01;12;31;00 - 01;12;32;10
Max Grover
They had no problem taking the rent.
01;12;32;10 - 01;12;34;26
Chris Prins
Checks. Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah, they're like.
01;12;34;28 - 01;12;37;07
Chris Prins
We're paying rent. Like, you're still using this.
01;12;37;09 - 01;12;40;16
Chris Prins
Paying rent. They're collecting rent, like.
01;12;40;18 - 01;12;41;05
Chris Prins
So they would say.
01;12;41;05 - 01;12;42;01
Max Grover
Well, anyway, that went.
01;12;42;01 - 01;12;43;07
Chris Prins
To all the way to.
01;12;43;07 - 01;13;04;23
Chris Prins
Court. Yeah. It was like, and that was during COVID. So it was really brutal then because you, you think if it was a Zoom situation, it'd be quick. But yeah, like any reason anybody had to delay it, they could use any a they could use it as a reason, be like any other reason was like acceptable to I was like, well.
01;13;04;26 - 01;13;17;22
Max Grover
I know there is some nationals too that like and that I heard that like COVID happened shut down and they sent a letter to every single one of the landlords that said, Hey, we're not paying rent.
01;13;17;22 - 01;13;20;13
Chris Prins
Yeah, it wasn't like and it's like it's like.
01;13;20;15 - 01;13;22;15
Max Grover
We're not paying what it is till we know.
01;13;22;15 - 01;13;25;12
Chris Prins
What you want. But yeah.
01;13;25;14 - 01;13;27;04
Chris Prins
Get like we're not paying rent. Yeah.
01;13;27;09 - 01;13;28;17
Max Grover
And just overnight.
01;13;28;22 - 01;13;29;27
Chris Prins
Yeah, yeah.
01;13;29;29 - 01;13;31;23
Chris Prins
That was just, it was interesting times.
01;13;32;00 - 01;13;42;23
Max Grover
There was, it was like it was like a little scary, but then it came up and out probably from all the money they printed. But yeah, came up and out of it so fast and it was like it was there.
01;13;42;23 - 01;13;59;16
Chris Prins
I tell you what though, that some of the tenants that like, you know, they'd reach out to like, you know, would you mind if we, you know, you know, pay partial rent or just kind of three months of that, you know, so you can rent And if you were willing to work with them, like in terms of just go with them went a long way like.
01;13;59;19 - 01;14;09;15
Max Grover
100% like, hey, yeah, let's pause the rent and we'll put it on the backside. Yeah. Once we out, what the heck's going to happen? And it was different for every industry too, right?
01;14;09;19 - 01;14;10;15
Chris Prins
Yeah.
01;14;10;17 - 01;14;12;03
Max Grover
And yeah.
01;14;12;05 - 01;14;32;28
Chris Prins
So there were a lot of people who were just concerned that, you know, so they, they were concerned so they didn't want to pay. What can we do three months and just kind of a renegade, you know, And then we'll saw that. But and then like a month and a half into a year ago, we got TARP money because a lot of people didn't know our process was that was going to be a six month process or like, oh, no, it's not as bad as we thought here.
01;14;32;28 - 01;14;35;04
Chris Prins
You know, we're all good. You know, it wasn't.
01;14;35;06 - 01;14;35;22
Chris Prins
Yeah, right.
01;14;35;22 - 01;14;39;25
Chris Prins
And then you got a bunch of goodwill from kind of being willing to help them and.
01;14;39;27 - 01;14;40;19
Max Grover
Yeah, and then.
01;14;40;20 - 01;14;41;04
Chris Prins
Taxable.
01;14;41;08 - 01;14;48;15
Max Grover
And then from there to like now like in some lease, not all lumber and some leases, there is a covered clause even to.
01;14;48;17 - 01;14;55;15
Chris Prins
Yeah. We saw a decent amount of that. Um we typically didn't love you know.
01;14;55;17 - 01;14;56;15
Chris Prins
Yeah.
01;14;56;17 - 01;14;58;01
Chris Prins
Yeah. It was.
01;14;58;04 - 01;15;18;24
Max Grover
There's like some that were like when I saw that was like if the industry is specifically shut down for, you know, a certain capacity, you're limited to a certain capacity and it was more of a retail oriented business where it was like limited to a certain capacity. Under this, then we're going to pause rent.
01;15;18;25 - 01;15;19;17
Chris Prins
Yeah.
01;15;19;20 - 01;15;20;20
Max Grover
Essentially.
01;15;20;23 - 01;15;39;13
Chris Prins
But that's what was crazy about it too, was we like we had tenants that were like, Well, we're not, you know, oh, we're not we're not going to pay rent. We're going to, you know, we're going to pause on rent or whatever. And it's like, Well, did you get a few money? Like, Yeah, well, like let's rent was literally one.
01;15;39;16 - 01;15;40;11
Chris Prins
Go in there.
01;15;40;17 - 01;15;48;19
Chris Prins
It's this is 42nd pay your people, pay your mortgage, pay your rent, you know, favor utilities like that's one of them that's listed like.
01;15;48;22 - 01;15;49;23
Chris Prins
And they know the.
01;15;49;23 - 01;15;50;24
Max Grover
Law so.
01;15;50;26 - 01;15;51;06
Chris Prins
Yeah.
01;15;51;07 - 01;15;57;20
Max Grover
Fairly thing I mean that's going to be really interesting to see how they talk about that 20 years.
01;15;57;20 - 01;16;01;07
Chris Prins
From Oh yeah like our kids kids kids will be it'll be like you know.
01;16;01;08 - 01;16;02;16
Max Grover
They shut the world down.
01;16;02;16 - 01;16;10;03
Chris Prins
Oh yeah. It'll be like, oh, they'll be just spent a month in school. All chapter of their history books talking about it was a big deal.
01;16;10;06 - 01;16;16;01
Max Grover
It is. It's it it was, it was it was kind of scary for us too. I mean, it was just like overnight.
01;16;16;01 - 01;16;19;06
Chris Prins
It was done big time. Yeah.
01;16;19;08 - 01;16;31;17
Max Grover
Had a in like we had a handful of deals died because of it and never came back. And a lot of them did come back. But some of them where it was just like, Dude, can't do it, right? Yeah.
01;16;31;17 - 01;16;32;16
Chris Prins
And like a.
01;16;32;16 - 01;16;34;08
Chris Prins
Lot of them were just put on pause.
01;16;34;10 - 01;16;38;06
Chris Prins
Like, what? I get it. Yeah, I get it.
01;16;38;08 - 01;16;48;15
Max Grover
And then they even, like, we had like some of the municipalities were shut down, so we had a building that somebody needed a special land use.
01;16;48;17 - 01;16;49;11
Chris Prins
Mm.
01;16;49;13 - 01;16;55;01
Max Grover
And the municipality went to me, they're like Yeah, can't you do zoom. We don't have that capability.
01;16;55;02 - 01;16;55;08
Chris Prins
Or.
01;16;55;08 - 01;16;55;27
Chris Prins
The municipality.
01;16;55;28 - 01;17;23;03
Max Grover
And that's what they said it, it went on for like it went on for like three or four months of their holding any meetings. Yeah. So then the deal couldn't close and these people were shutting the, you know, their business there before COVID shut down and retiring. But they're paying monthly on this. No. So every month I hang for an empty building just sitting here waiting for this municipality to be like.
01;17;23;05 - 01;17;24;24
Chris Prins
Oh, yeah, it's it's real money. I mean, that's it.
01;17;24;24 - 01;17;31;08
Max Grover
Was an easy it was a easy decision. Like they there decided like, yeah, it's pretty much a rubber stamp of the meeting.
01;17;31;11 - 01;17;36;03
Chris Prins
That's right. Yeah. That's what a lot of them don't realize. That's real money that every meal.
01;17;36;05 - 01;17;36;16
Chris Prins
Till.
01;17;36;16 - 01;17;39;15
Max Grover
Directly affecting their retirement and they're freaking out.
01;17;39;16 - 01;17;40;20
Chris Prins
Oh yeah it it.
01;17;40;22 - 01;17;41;11
Max Grover
It's terrifying.
01;17;41;11 - 01;17;42;23
Chris Prins
It's stressful man.
01;17;42;26 - 01;17;49;00
Max Grover
So but then it came out and super low interest rates forever and that was fun.
01;17;49;02 - 01;17;53;09
Chris Prins
Yeah. That was fantastical. You know, refinance everything. They all for.
01;17;53;13 - 01;17;54;20
Chris Prins
It. Exactly.
01;17;54;20 - 01;18;05;17
Chris Prins
I know. It's. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then, I don't know, but now it's the there's such a shortage of buildings out there. Yeah.
01;18;05;18 - 01;18;20;23
Max Grover
No, but that's where it's like where does it go from here. Because it's like interest rates, prices shot up with interest rates being super low, low inventory. And then now interest rates shoot back up and everyone's like, it's going to be.
01;18;20;23 - 01;18;21;06
Chris Prins
Yeah.
01;18;21;07 - 01;18;26;24
Max Grover
You know, real estate, commercial, real estate's done and blah, blah, blah. But it's like it hasn't stopped.
01;18;26;26 - 01;18;28;13
Chris Prins
No, it hasn't.
01;18;28;15 - 01;18;30;15
Max Grover
It's making new deals harder.
01;18;30;17 - 01;18;31;11
Chris Prins
Yes.
01;18;31;13 - 01;18;55;21
Chris Prins
Investment deals because like normally, like if the interest rate goes up, a little cap rate goes up a little, you know, and sellers can kind of adjust because it's just a little by little. But one of the goals of that fast like sellers, they just don't adjust. You know, it's like if interest rates go up a point and a half in like six months or whatever, like it did, you know, then I'll stay till salary cap rates got to go up by a point and a half.
01;18;55;25 - 01;19;01;18
Chris Prins
Sure. Your value drops like they need time to kind of like come to grips with it or something.
01;19;01;20 - 01;19;25;25
Max Grover
And, and that's like straight investment property to where like property is out there that's going to go for sale where it's like the investor could buy it and repurpose and and, you know, put a tenant in there. I mean, they can't even compete because there's no inventory. And then the the owner occupant is like, well, if I had to build this, it's oh it's outrageous, you know.
01;19;26;00 - 01;19;38;01
Max Grover
Yeah. Somebody had a project bid on it was an industrial building I think it was they had a bid last year and then they had it rebid this year and, and the numbers are not 20%. Yeah. In a year.
01;19;38;04 - 01;19;38;27
Chris Prins
It's crazy.
01;19;38;29 - 01;19;41;16
Max Grover
So it's like that's, that's real I mean.
01;19;41;19 - 01;19;42;01
Chris Prins
Oh yeah.
01;19;42;01 - 01;19;43;19
Chris Prins
Yeah, yeah.
01;19;43;21 - 01;19;44;24
Max Grover
20%.
01;19;44;26 - 01;20;04;20
Chris Prins
And then there's less the land and the land that's anywhere near central. You know, the anything is few and far between now, you know, so it's you can buy, so the land costs go up and the construction costs go up, you know, you see more land. People are going out to Wayland and Lowell and you know Yeah, the outskirts.
01;20;04;23 - 01;20;05;06
Max Grover
Where do.
01;20;05;06 - 01;20;05;26
Chris Prins
You.
01;20;05;29 - 01;20;10;19
Max Grover
What do you think with the interest rates and with everything like what do you.
01;20;10;22 - 01;20;11;24
Chris Prins
What's.
01;20;11;27 - 01;20;13;06
Max Grover
The Chris Prins prediction.
01;20;13;06 - 01;20;13;18
Chris Prins
Crystal.
01;20;13;18 - 01;20;14;11
Chris Prins
Ball.
01;20;14;13 - 01;20;15;29
Max Grover
That Chris.
01;20;16;02 - 01;20;20;08
Chris Prins
I still love but t shirts coming in t shirt traffic next year.
01;20;20;08 - 01;20;50;15
Chris Prins
Yeah yeah it's a good question I, I it still comes down to there's not a lot of inventory out there and I unless we see a lot of that construction cost drop which I don't really see that happening at all. It means more of the same and I think interest rates you know, have once they level off when they're going up so fast, everyone freaks out when it levels off or starts going down, then that everyone kind of like.
01;20;50;17 - 01;20;59;22
Max Grover
Well, part of that too, is like if you start a project and the banks aren't willing to lock your interest rate on the front end of the construction project, which most banks don't want to do.
01;20;59;22 - 01;21;00;29
Chris Prins
Yeah.
01;21;01;01 - 01;21;08;05
Max Grover
I mean, if you start at six and by the time you're done, that's at nine. Yeah. Like that's a loser.
01;21;08;07 - 01;21;12;19
Chris Prins
Oh yeah. Like your line of credit now. I mean you're like eight and a half percent. I mean that's.
01;21;12;21 - 01;21;14;29
Chris Prins
F that's where you'd.
01;21;14;29 - 01;21;23;12
Chris Prins
Pull in money out of something to, to fund a project or you know, it's, that's a lot of, I mean that's a big interest rate.
01;21;23;15 - 01;21;24;07
Chris Prins
So massive.
01;21;24;08 - 01;21;25;09
Chris Prins
Interest, a lot of money.
01;21;25;16 - 01;21;26;02
Chris Prins
You know.
01;21;26;05 - 01;21;46;15
Max Grover
So then but then too that trickles and I mean that's the whole point right, is to put the brakes on something. Yeah. It's like if you want to borrow money now, you know, if you want to go to private loans or something, it's going to be way higher or even bank. Yeah, it's 7%. 6%? Yeah. If you're lucky, you can find that 6% lender right now.
01;21;46;16 - 01;21;48;21
Chris Prins
Yes, I've six and a half, maybe.
01;21;48;21 - 01;21;49;04
Max Grover
Six and a.
01;21;49;04 - 01;21;58;17
Chris Prins
Quarter. I've kind of seen some but yeah, even that was before the most recent. Yeah. Yeah. It's tough to say exactly, but.
01;21;58;19 - 01;22;20;01
Max Grover
And then it's like I talked to one of the bigger homebuilders in town and he said that the housing still selling and still moving but they're not they to spec the house. Once they put the house up, it sells, but they're not selling as many straight up lots because people are going they don't want to get caught with their hand in the cookie jar of having two homes.
01;22;20;01 - 01;22;32;25
Max Grover
So they're like, I'm going to wholesale buy this house will pay the high, you know, the perceived highest percent interest rate and hope they go down refi in a couple of years. But we don't want to have two homes.
01;22;32;26 - 01;22;33;15
Chris Prins
Yeah.
01;22;33;17 - 01;22;38;14
Max Grover
We don't want to be stuck with two homes. I thought that was kind of interesting, too.
01;22;38;16 - 01;22;57;06
Chris Prins
Like I've talked to a couple of different like the residential developers and they're like the same problem with the land, though. They can't. They're like, You can't find land, but you're going to find ten acres even just to split up into lots and whatever. Like this stuff that is there. It's a bidding war and then it sells for, you know, numbers.
01;22;57;06 - 01;22;59;11
Chris Prins
We can't even make sense of, you know.
01;22;59;14 - 01;23;10;06
Max Grover
Yeah, there is, there is like one municipality too, that said, like, wow, you know, we're really we're looking for like starter homes, like, you know, five, $600,000 homes.
01;23;10;07 - 01;23;16;04
Chris Prins
You know, you start from I start at 600,000. That's like but I mean.
01;23;16;07 - 01;23;32;03
Max Grover
It is like I mean, what is it what is a a livable home cost right now. Yeah. Like if I went and bought a house and all those things are private is that same house that we had was to 75 when we bought it for like 100 grand.
01;23;32;04 - 01;23;33;04
Chris Prins
Yeah.
01;23;33;06 - 01;23;36;26
Max Grover
So it's like it's creeping up in the $300,000 for like, Oh.
01;23;36;26 - 01;23;37;11
Chris Prins
Yeah, yeah.
01;23;37;17 - 01;23;40;26
Max Grover
Alger Heights, you know, it's three bedroom, one bathroom.
01;23;41;01 - 01;23;51;10
Chris Prins
But it's like even a middle of the road. Like if you're if you're going to move from a starter house and build something, I mean, so if you had to go to like 3500 square feet or 3000 whatever, you're.
01;23;51;10 - 01;23;52;09
Max Grover
500,000.
01;23;52;12 - 01;23;54;20
Chris Prins
Five, five, 600,000, you know.
01;23;54;23 - 01;23;55;21
Max Grover
Let's say your basement.
01;23;55;25 - 01;23;57;20
Chris Prins
In your basement down. Yeah. And like, you know.
01;23;57;25 - 01;24;02;03
Chris Prins
You don't get grass, you know, or gutters, sort of like it's all like just.
01;24;02;03 - 01;24;05;02
Max Grover
Basic the box. A half a million dollars.
01;24;05;08 - 01;24;25;09
Chris Prins
Just seems crazy to me. But what you said earlier, though, I think, like there is some strategy with okay, you should buy now. I think my thing is interest rates are going to stay and then they're going to drop. They're going to come down, you know, over the next 12 months, let's say even if it's 12 months from now, they're gonna start coming down.
01;24;25;11 - 01;24;43;26
Chris Prins
So if you can buy something now that makes sense with interest rates at six and a half, 7%, even if it's not cash flowing quite as well, and then you can refi if you if you find a lender that I'll just let you kind of adjust the loans or refi without penalties, you know, And then if it gets down to five, then you get on a lot.
01;24;43;27 - 01;25;09;15
Max Grover
And I think I think, you know, Barbara Cochran from Shark Tank. And so, yeah, I think she said the same thing or so. Yeah. Hey, like right now the competition is actually less the inventory is still a problem. Yeah, but competition's way less. Mm. And if you want to sit and wait until interest rates go back to 5%, inventory is only becoming more of a problem because it's harder to build new, more expensive to build new.
01;25;09;17 - 01;25;19;26
Max Grover
And then if interest rates come back down into that 5%, like all of a sudden now, like your competition for that property went way out. Yeah. Actually are better off buying now.
01;25;19;26 - 01;25;22;07
Chris Prins
Yeah. But it's a risk too. It is. Yeah.
01;25;22;07 - 01;25;25;08
Max Grover
Yeah. No one knows except for you because you got the.
01;25;25;10 - 01;25;27;20
Chris Prins
Interest of.
01;25;27;22 - 01;25;28;21
Chris Prins
All rights reserved.
01;25;28;24 - 01;25;31;20
Chris Prins
Here. Trademarked trademark.
01;25;31;22 - 01;25;33;02
Max Grover
You're going to sell, like, two T-shirts.
01;25;33;03 - 01;25;36;20
Chris Prins
Yeah. Yeah.
01;25;36;22 - 01;25;38;09
Max Grover
Is your face the crystal.
01;25;38;09 - 01;25;38;20
Chris Prins
Balls on a.
01;25;38;21 - 01;25;40;18
Chris Prins
Website? Do you have a maxing crystal? I'm saying.
01;25;40;22 - 01;25;49;18
Max Grover
We don't. We just have, like, a buzz. Buzz fro like, website that links to every platform that it pushes out for.
01;25;49;19 - 01;25;54;21
Chris Prins
Have you read it? How long do they recommend like a podcast episode? Should be?
01;25;54;23 - 01;25;56;03
Chris Prins
Uh.
01;25;56;06 - 01;26;03;21
Max Grover
I don't know if they do. I don't know. I haven't read about it that much. I would guess this is probably too long.
01;26;03;23 - 01;26;13;11
Chris Prins
I mean, that's kind of what I was thinking, but the ones I had looked at, it was like an hour, 40, hour, 50. So I got here. I want I thought like an hour or ten put this.
01;26;13;11 - 01;26;18;23
Max Grover
The difference is those people are doing it because they are like.
01;26;18;25 - 01;26;20;08
Chris Prins
Trying to make money. Yeah.
01;26;20;08 - 01;26;27;29
Max Grover
And like, want people to like, I don't even care. Like, I just enjoy this. Yeah. And it's fun. And like, the people that do, they want.
01;26;27;29 - 01;26;31;15
Chris Prins
To listen to 30 minutes of interviews and 30 minutes of a new career, so. Right. Yeah.
01;26;31;16 - 01;27;03;21
Max Grover
And actually, Luc, that set this up, he says, like, how much? And I'm really not doing it because of this. Like, I don't really care about if it ever makes money just enjoyable. Yeah, but he said, like, how much, you know, the 300 people that listen to John Francis episode far like how much would it cost John Francis to go rent a, you know, a place to get any sort of message there across about who he.
01;27;03;21 - 01;27;06;00
Chris Prins
Is or anyone you want to than.
01;27;06;03 - 01;27;16;25
Max Grover
300 like you couldn't even get through the show up to. Yeah. You know most of those events he's like and is free. Yeah. And it's like I was like, oh, that's kind of interesting way to look at it.
01;27;16;26 - 01;27;18;18
Chris Prins
Yeah, Yeah, that's true.
01;27;18;20 - 01;27;27;26
Max Grover
But no, there's really no, I wish there. I wish that I was doing that to make money but. And make it but I don't really care.
01;27;28;01 - 01;27;33;26
Chris Prins
Yeah. No that's an exact and I told the actually.
01;27;33;28 - 01;27;49;16
Max Grover
Clearly but I told somebody else like it's kind of interesting too where like we have had like Curt Adams on or John Francis and like I these people before, but then you come on to the podcast and sit and like, yeah.
01;27;49;18 - 01;27;52;02
Chris Prins
It's pretty valuable. Oh yeah. Pretty vulnerable. Yeah.
01;27;52;09 - 01;27;53;18
Chris Prins
So whatever.
01;27;53;20 - 01;28;07;01
Max Grover
And so like, after you're done, you almost become better friends with that person and it's kind of cool, like as an excuse to get in front of, like just a get together really, for people. I had to beg you to Come on.
01;28;07;01 - 01;28;11;06
Chris Prins
No, that's true. I know. Yeah. I didn't trust your editing like, message through the NSA.
01;28;11;06 - 01;28;18;22
Chris Prins
And if I say something. Yeah. And is career. Yeah. This guy for editing my.
01;28;18;22 - 01;28;23;16
Chris Prins
Other record, I'm sure. I assume he brought me on for all my recommendations and critiques for.
01;28;23;19 - 01;28;24;27
Chris Prins
Like, please.
01;28;24;29 - 01;28;25;29
Chris Prins
You need a sound effects.
01;28;25;29 - 01;28;30;21
Chris Prins
Board with. There is one other one. I just don't know how to use it well.
01;28;30;22 - 01;28;33;16
Chris Prins
And then my is you should figure out how to use your sound.
01;28;33;16 - 01;28;38;20
Max Grover
Because there was like I was like, oh, like at the beginning, like I knew I was going to just sit there and stare, you.
01;28;38;20 - 01;28;39;29
Chris Prins
Know? Yeah.
01;28;40;02 - 01;28;40;26
Max Grover
And there's a way.
01;28;40;26 - 01;28;42;23
Chris Prins
You could do like, yeah.
01;28;42;25 - 01;28;45;18
Chris Prins
Like, oh, yeah. You know, whatever.
01;28;45;21 - 01;28;46;16
Chris Prins
One day.
01;28;46;18 - 01;28;52;28
Max Grover
Oh, here it is. I was going to do this, but then I wasn't that confident enough.
01;28;53;00 - 01;28;57;00
Chris Prins
Oh, I see.
01;28;57;02 - 01;28;59;20
Chris Prins
Crickets. Oh, here we go. Yeah, This is like something.
01;28;59;20 - 01;29;05;12
Chris Prins
He's like, Yeah, yeah, yeah. We need more. Yeah, we need to, like, a radio station.
01;29;05;12 - 01;29;10;20
Chris Prins
Yeah, you need more, like, constant sound effects, nonstop sound of.
01;29;10;22 - 01;29;20;25
Chris Prins
There's, there's like, an air horn. Yeah, Yeah. Just nonstop in your intro for sure. Yeah. Yeah. We had, I.
01;29;20;25 - 01;29;34;19
Max Grover
Had the kids came into the office. I can't remember what for, but they sat here and, like, sat on and I'm going to get it edited and stuff. I even sent it to Luke yet, but they just sat in here and literally.
01;29;34;22 - 01;29;36;09
Chris Prins
Just sit talking and sound.
01;29;36;09 - 01;29;43;22
Max Grover
Effects and stuff. It was, Oh, this just sat there Neil banana and to the microphone for like, I don't know, I just banana.
01;29;43;27 - 01;29;47;26
Chris Prins
You've put that out there, that'll get like Yeah.
01;29;47;28 - 01;29;50;23
Chris Prins
They're saying it's already like you're telling.
01;29;50;23 - 01;29;54;02
Chris Prins
People that I hear my kids just scream random words and that sound effect.
01;29;54;09 - 01;29;57;12
Chris Prins
I probably would do. Yeah, yeah.
01;29;57;14 - 01;30;24;05
Chris Prins
You do one thing though you know it, it's the days of like value add or it's like I always enjoy like, like you. You rewind like five, eight years ago, you know, you could find properties and figure out how to add value to them, like all the rents are low or, you know? So, you know, like we're looking at stuff where we bought and it was like, all right, this, this section of building was all fenced off, you know, it's all right there.
01;30;24;10 - 01;30;40;15
Chris Prins
The rents are low or like the person owning it, they were like, oh, just as long as I get this much money out of it each year to live, I'm happy. And then so the rents are all low. They don't want to lose tenants. So now you know, then you go in and you take out the fencing and you put up new units, you know, you pay, you know.
01;30;40;18 - 01;30;42;00
Chris Prins
I always I always enjoy that.
01;30;42;04 - 01;31;05;27
Chris Prins
It's always a fun like that's really fun to me in my opinion. Like it's enjoyable, like, oh, where can you add the value? Or you look at a now, I mean, you can't everything at least rates are so high and the values are so high. And even value add stuff isn't your pain as if it's not value add, you know, and it's so the creativity and, and like I was I enjoy that piece of it.
01;31;06;00 - 01;31;06;23
Chris Prins
We've.
01;31;06;26 - 01;31;28;04
Max Grover
So we did like we did two value add projects I'd go with the self-storage and teacher's dollar store and hudsonville and I don't think that they wouldn't work today. Mm hmm. Just between the interest rates, between the demand for space, like we would have been priced out of both of them. Yeah. And it was like the maybe four mile.
01;31;28;04 - 01;31;34;04
Max Grover
I mean, it maybe still could work because no one was really thinking of stores for that property like.
01;31;34;10 - 01;31;34;22
Chris Prins
Yeah.
01;31;34;27 - 01;31;36;21
Max Grover
Big box, big retail.
01;31;36;21 - 01;31;38;08
Chris Prins
Box.
01;31;38;11 - 01;31;51;01
Max Grover
Fairly. The building was, you know, it was okay construction on it ten blocks on four mile an alpine lake and it's on four Mountain nine Alpine. So it's like, yeah, who's going to take a giant retail box.
01;31;51;01 - 01;31;51;18
Chris Prins
Yeah.
01;31;51;21 - 01;32;00;07
Max Grover
So like that one was super fun because the building does look great now and like, yeah, it sells storage. I know people rag on it, but the building does like, Wow.
01;32;00;09 - 01;32;01;02
Chris Prins
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01;32;01;04 - 01;32;05;03
Chris Prins
But you looked at it for the different lens than everyone else did. Okay. You know.
01;32;05;06 - 01;32;36;03
Max Grover
Same with the, the kitchen one same thing and it's like but like, I looked at a industrial building, whereas like, okay, like you could buy this and, you know, needs probably new roof, the front facade was dated like 1990. No asphalt in the parking lot loading dock, didn't have low level or the doors or beat up the fax systems were bad and still they were listed over a hundred bucks a square foot.
01;32;36;03 - 01;32;47;14
Max Grover
And I'm like, I'm like, between that and the it's like, it doesn't it doesn't work. Yeah. And then I'm like I said, it. I'm like sending it to, you know, some people that I'm like, well, I know like they'll.
01;32;47;19 - 01;32;49;25
Chris Prins
Yeah, yeah. I used to look at it a little different.
01;32;49;27 - 01;32;50;21
Chris Prins
Yeah, well.
01;32;50;23 - 01;33;09;15
Max Grover
They weren't even users, but they just, they, they just look at it different. They're invested in the, in the area, the neighbors of the property and I sent it to them but I had to like, I'm like, I can't, I can't with a straight face like I laid it out. Doesn't make sense if you want to look at this just to own it because you own all this stuff over your grave.
01;33;09;15 - 01;33;11;12
Max Grover
But like numbers wise, it doesn't make sense.
01;33;11;12 - 01;33;14;00
Chris Prins
Yeah. Like how like.
01;33;14;02 - 01;33;16;22
Max Grover
Then I'm like, that's not.
01;33;16;25 - 01;33;19;19
Chris Prins
Like, hey, the numbers are.
01;33;19;21 - 01;33;21;25
Chris Prins
Terrible, but I don't know.
01;33;21;28 - 01;33;25;20
Max Grover
But at the same time, they could never buy that building and put it back up for the same.
01;33;25;23 - 01;33;27;01
Chris Prins
Yeah, yeah, I know that. So it's.
01;33;27;01 - 01;33;29;04
Max Grover
Like wrenches haven't gone and.
01;33;29;04 - 01;33;30;01
Chris Prins
And yeah.
01;33;30;04 - 01;33;53;20
Max Grover
There's, I think, I'm getting this listing but I have another listing coming out or I'm going to push the industrial lease rate on it and 8000 square feet tripled that loading dock overhead door office. It'll be a brand new addition to this building tenant lease space. I'm going to put it out at 950 and see if square foot plus triple-A and see.
01;33;53;22 - 01;33;54;16
Chris Prins
Because.
01;33;54;18 - 01;33;56;05
Chris Prins
That's what gets that's the other.
01;33;56;08 - 01;33;56;21
Chris Prins
Out here.
01;33;56;21 - 01;34;01;06
Chris Prins
Will they know you're buying. Yeah they're not You're saying it's a 252. So you know.
01;34;01;12 - 01;34;12;20
Max Grover
It's an established building that the guys owned for a long time. So the basis on taxes and super high first sale prior on to us. Mm. And I'm like where else.
01;34;12;23 - 01;34;14;02
Chris Prins
Yeah. But.
01;34;14;04 - 01;34;29;26
Max Grover
And that's what I keep going like well where else are you going to get this. Yeah. And even if you decided that somebody else is going to build it for you, not here, not, not in the airport corridor like you're not. Yeah. Some like it, it's high, but is it.
01;34;29;29 - 01;34;48;25
Chris Prins
Oh I know. Yeah. The our part is if you have a tenant coming up for renewal in a building, like what to do with that. Because I've never been a big proponent of like it was guys someone's been in a building for 20 years and then you call them, say, Hey, you're paying for 50, you should pay 650, you know, or get out.
01;34;48;28 - 01;34;56;00
Chris Prins
You know. So you try and like step it up. Or if you just made that phone call this morning and through someone I don't know.
01;34;56;03 - 01;35;01;01
Chris Prins
It wasn't this one this year, but the guy was paying.
01;35;01;03 - 01;35;13;10
Max Grover
He's paying for box a square foot on a space and somebody is going to come in and pay close to 20 boxes, square foot plus shipping that I like crazy.
01;35;13;11 - 01;35;16;03
Chris Prins
I felt bad. I feel bad, but not that bad.
01;35;16;03 - 01;35;26;18
Max Grover
Well, and I gave the guy the offer. 90. Yeah. Like my okay, like if you can get to this, even just get to this, then we'll figure something out.
01;35;26;20 - 01;35;29;03
Chris Prins
I mean, that's like a ridiculous. You know, but and.
01;35;29;03 - 01;35;40;17
Max Grover
So he didn't. And so we noticed he's month to month. And, you know, I'm going to have my attorneys look at this as a and then like, you call me back. He's like, yeah, my attorney. Yeah.
01;35;40;20 - 01;35;44;01
Chris Prins
You know, she said, Oh, good that sounds.
01;35;44;01 - 01;35;48;09
Max Grover
Odd, dude. He took everything out of this. Oh, Shahzad, the front door off the plane.
01;35;48;10 - 01;35;48;25
Chris Prins
No.
01;35;48;27 - 01;35;55;10
Max Grover
He took all the lights out. She said they tracked how he took the ductwork. He took the window sills out.
01;35;55;10 - 01;35;57;00
Chris Prins
Oh, man. It was spiteful.
01;35;57;00 - 01;36;01;08
Chris Prins
At his side. Well, yeah, the now still still working.
01;36;01;10 - 01;36;03;08
Max Grover
With even with that additional cause, it.
01;36;03;08 - 01;36;04;22
Chris Prins
Still works better. Yeah, but I.
01;36;04;22 - 01;36;06;12
Max Grover
Felt terrible about that.
01;36;06;14 - 01;36;07;06
Chris Prins
Yeah, but.
01;36;07;10 - 01;36;08;17
Max Grover
What am I supposed to do too?
01;36;08;22 - 01;36;26;14
Chris Prins
That's, that's pretty dress movie and stuff for like, you got in 20 and they're like for a reason. Have like a five year lease fixed. They're like 350 square foot and then you're in 2020 and it's like, it's like $5 square foot territory. Then, you know, 550 even.
01;36;26;14 - 01;36;37;12
Max Grover
So you think you can still be fair to everybody and and fair to yourself because like your interest rate, like you only get a five year, seven year period on your interest rate. Like what if it's at nine?
01;36;37;13 - 01;36;40;07
Chris Prins
Yeah, but we refinanced everything like for a three and a half and.
01;36;40;09 - 01;36;47;05
Chris Prins
Then yeah, I guess he didn't know that. He doesn't know that. That's not my thing is.
01;36;47;05 - 01;37;14;05
Chris Prins
Oh you should give him a little bit of an initial jump. Like if you need him to jump seven that sense afford to start and then kind of go three, four, 5% over the next couple of years just to get it. Like eventually, you know? Yeah. No, I just just being like, I know you've been here just doing your business, have blood, sweat and tears in here and, you know, and then you're like, Well, now you're gonna pay an extra $25,000 in rent or whatever, you know, it's like you're in.
01;37;14;08 - 01;37;19;17
Max Grover
Yeah. And meanwhile, their cams have gone up too, on top of that through the whole thing.
01;37;19;17 - 01;37;20;18
Chris Prins
Yeah.
01;37;20;21 - 01;37;48;17
Max Grover
So Yeah. So that drives me crazy to run the on the cam part where it's like, yes, I understand that the building sold for this, but it's not truly worth that with these leases in hand. And if you raised the Cam's this is buildings that taxes to this and they get back into the Cam's. Yeah building's going to be empty and Yeah.
01;37;48;19 - 01;37;54;27
Max Grover
And so like what is the real like finding that true value and then trying to get a municipality to agree.
01;37;55;02 - 01;37;56;05
Chris Prins
Oh yeah. Yeah.
01;37;56;08 - 01;38;11;04
Chris Prins
Well I that and where they say, well what do you mean it's not worth it. Didn't you just pay this much for it. And you're like yeah but they overpaid for it or you mean. Well they're 1031, you know, this year. Or they either pay all this taxes or overpay a little for this building. So that's what they did.
01;38;11;07 - 01;38;15;03
Chris Prins
Oh, okay. And then they still charge it.
01;38;15;03 - 01;38;21;29
Max Grover
But I went to. Have you ever done the tax tribunal? Yeah. Have you ever done that.
01;38;22;01 - 01;38;24;13
Chris Prins
They've had that we always hire Like.
01;38;24;15 - 01;38;26;29
Max Grover
That was way smarter for you to do. Yeah I.
01;38;27;01 - 01;38;30;19
Chris Prins
Myself, I am excited the.
01;38;30;19 - 01;38;31;07
Chris Prins
First time.
01;38;31;07 - 01;38;40;22
Chris Prins
In a long time like they let go. And I like, think, like, I got this whole case bill or I'm like why Why.
01;38;40;22 - 01;38;56;17
Max Grover
Our taxes should be at this certain point I get done and they're like, okay, all male. And I thought I did great. Like They Oh, I'm going to mail you a letter on this date. And I, you know, get out. I text the partners and like, hey, like, hard to say.
01;38;56;20 - 01;39;04;05
Chris Prins
Hard to say, but I trust. Yeah, yeah. I'm like, I'm right there. And this thing I have to, like, just say.
01;39;04;07 - 01;39;06;03
Max Grover
And then we get the letter and it was.
01;39;06;06 - 01;39;13;12
Chris Prins
This time taxes say the exact same. They like they can even give me like I'm just like here. Yeah.
01;39;13;18 - 01;39;18;02
Max Grover
For like going here pitching this case. I didn't even move one bit and I was like, sorry.
01;39;18;05 - 01;39;21;18
Chris Prins
Oh most of the municipalities and kind of do the initial.
01;39;21;21 - 01;39;22;23
Max Grover
On the front end. Yeah.
01;39;22;24 - 01;39;43;12
Chris Prins
Yeah. And then, and then if they don't, then we hire somebody like I, I should say so, but I showed up and it was like, I don't know, have an appointment forever. And this was an investment. Property is 20,000 square feet and there are six tenants. So mean I've got to analyze, I've got comps of analyze, I've got cap rates and you know what?
01;39;43;20 - 01;39;48;08
Chris Prins
Different caps are at cap rates. So, you know, all the spreadsheets same.
01;39;48;11 - 01;39;48;29
Max Grover
You're ready.
01;39;48;29 - 01;39;57;29
Chris Prins
Price overkill. But and I walk in and it's it's in front of the municipality and then it's three people, three volunteers who.
01;39;58;00 - 01;39;58;27
Chris Prins
Are.
01;39;58;29 - 01;40;18;23
Chris Prins
Are all median age of like 86 or, you know, very elderly none of that ever owned anything other than a house, you know. So I go over can I use the word cap rate? And then then I like, get done with like my initial thing and then and then they go, what's the cap rate? And then I'm like.
01;40;18;23 - 01;40;21;28
Chris Prins
You say, this doesn't go on for 20.
01;40;21;28 - 01;40;36;19
Chris Prins
Minutes. You about cap rates, but you know and then all three of them did were just like, stop listening. Hate the word cap rate and no you know it's you kind of jumped in when I was explaining it is what have made a lot more sense of you know what that what this is.
01;40;36;22 - 01;40;41;10
Max Grover
Yeah you know I just spent 20 minutes just stare like all right. I got.
01;40;41;10 - 01;40;41;25
Chris Prins
On by all.
01;40;41;25 - 01;40;45;26
Chris Prins
This based on the fact that I assumed, you know, what Acampora was the last 20 minutes.
01;40;45;26 - 01;40;48;23
Max Grover
And isn't that terrifying? No, that's like they.
01;40;48;25 - 01;40;50;15
Chris Prins
And they hold.
01;40;50;17 - 01;40;54;23
Chris Prins
Hundreds of thousands of dollars of people's in their hands, essentially.
01;40;54;25 - 01;40;55;26
Chris Prins
Yeah.
01;40;55;28 - 01;41;02;15
Max Grover
Yeah. And they don't know. Not even where to start on it. Yeah. Just put into some position.
01;41;02;15 - 01;41;14;11
Chris Prins
Yeah. Just Like they're, they're, they were willing to volunteer and you know, whatever. But the top part is the values go up and then the mileage is also go up. So yeah, I guess that's why I mean was at 70.
01;41;14;11 - 01;41;15;17
Chris Prins
Mills did that.
01;41;15;17 - 01;41;20;18
Max Grover
That part is like that. That's like where I'm like there needs to be like a Boston Tea party.
01;41;20;21 - 01;41;23;23
Chris Prins
Yeah yeah. Taxation without representation because.
01;41;23;23 - 01;41;25;22
Max Grover
You only second and like.
01;41;25;22 - 01;41;27;05
Chris Prins
Why why.
01;41;27;05 - 01;41;29;01
Max Grover
If you lived in any.
01;41;29;03 - 01;41;30;07
Chris Prins
Second house.
01;41;30;10 - 01;41;41;05
Max Grover
Or a commercial property or a second home, like what incentive would you have to not raise taxes for commercial property. Oh yeah. Second homes. Yeah. Like there's, there's hardly.
01;41;41;05 - 01;41;47;07
Chris Prins
Your scores getting better because all these other people are paying money and you don't have to pay money like.
01;41;47;10 - 01;41;49;12
Chris Prins
Yeah, yeah. That's where you.
01;41;49;12 - 01;41;51;19
Chris Prins
Can even if it's secondary, you can't vote.
01;41;51;22 - 01;42;00;28
Max Grover
No you cannot. Yeah. Unless that's your homestead. So that's our, that's where if you own a property and pay taxes and that.
01;42;01;01 - 01;42;01;20
Chris Prins
Represented.
01;42;01;20 - 01;42;03;13
Max Grover
It, you should get a vote.
01;42;03;16 - 01;42;05;05
Chris Prins
Like 70 mills man that's.
01;42;05;07 - 01;42;05;27
Max Grover
So intense.
01;42;06;01 - 01;42;17;02
Chris Prins
And then, then the values are up outrageous. So it's like that's a lot of money that just it's flooded in there and like, for what? You know, like don't know.
01;42;17;04 - 01;42;17;24
Chris Prins
Yeah.
01;42;17;26 - 01;42;28;26
Max Grover
No, it's it's very real. So if you want to sign my petition to take. Yeah, it's going to be on January, it's going to be held on January six.
01;42;29;02 - 01;42;32;08
Chris Prins
You know, this, we're going to have a.
01;42;32;08 - 01;42;33;04
Max Grover
Taxation.
01;42;33;12 - 01;42;34;16
Chris Prins
Club. Okay. All right.
01;42;34;21 - 01;42;37;08
Max Grover
The meeting at the it's called the back Shack.
01;42;37;08 - 01;42;38;05
Chris Prins
Okay. Yeah, we.
01;42;38;06 - 01;42;46;12
Max Grover
Hold our meetings there. The action that's a that's sort of like the Gretchen kidnaping scheme, I'm pretty sure was.
01;42;46;17 - 01;42;49;03
Chris Prins
Oh, really? There. Yeah. No way. I didn't know that.
01;42;49;07 - 01;42;49;29
Max Grover
Yeah.
01;42;50;02 - 01;42;53;25
Chris Prins
As weird discussed. So.
01;42;53;28 - 01;42;55;05
Chris Prins
Yeah. Right here on.
01;42;55;08 - 01;42;56;05
Chris Prins
This. Yeah.
01;42;56;08 - 01;42;58;21
Max Grover
Yeah, yeah. They're friends of mine.
01;42;58;24 - 01;43;11;04
Chris Prins
They get other than that other than this half. Yeah. Yeah. And who didn't want it. Chris sticking in the lake. You want eat there. Yeah. Yeah.
01;43;11;07 - 01;43;12;04
Max Grover
Oh man.
01;43;12;04 - 01;43;14;20
Chris Prins
So they're listening. They're always listening. Next.
01;43;14;23 - 01;43;18;28
Max Grover
So you've been doing even in commercial real estate for how many years on.
01;43;18;29 - 01;43;22;11
Chris Prins
The little rating now. So it's kind of, well what.
01;43;22;11 - 01;43;29;16
Max Grover
Point like do you feel like one of the like the like I saw you were in the the Crain's newspaper today.
01;43;29;19 - 01;43;33;03
Chris Prins
Today? Yeah. All right. Yeah. Um.
01;43;33;06 - 01;43;36;10
Chris Prins
You sure it was. It was 4 hours difference.
01;43;36;13 - 01;43;39;18
Max Grover
You know, I Yeah, I know. It was for industrial.
01;43;39;21 - 01;43;40;14
Chris Prins
Oh, it was definitely.
01;43;40;14 - 01;43;42;15
Max Grover
Yeah. It's a Chris Prinz partner.
01;43;42;17 - 01;43;43;19
Chris Prins
I Okay.
01;43;43;21 - 01;44;01;21
Max Grover
And I'm talking about. I think it was you, Randy Brown, karma. I think Brian Silver now and I. I'm dead serious. I repose I'm in charge of her Instagram now.
01;44;01;24 - 01;44;03;00
Chris Prins
Mm. Yeah, I.
01;44;03;06 - 01;44;14;20
Max Grover
I posted it. I didn't tag you. Let's see Chris Prince Craig's.
01;44;14;22 - 01;44;18;01
Chris Prins
That Oh.
01;44;18;04 - 01;44;23;14
Max Grover
Yeah. Remains scarce.
01;44;23;17 - 01;44;30;16
Chris Prins
It's here or there, right? I think I wrote something for our company for Morocco. Yeah.
01;44;30;23 - 01;44;31;26
Max Grover
Yeah. Randy Brown.
01;44;31;26 - 01;44;34;23
Chris Prins
Come on. Well, I.
01;44;34;25 - 01;44;37;08
Chris Prins
Seen him in a while.
01;44;37;11 - 01;44;40;10
Max Grover
However. Andy. Yeah. Partner in.
01;44;40;10 - 01;44;41;29
Chris Prins
Senior VP.
01;44;42;01 - 01;44;43;15
Max Grover
Of Industrial Brokerage.
01;44;43;17 - 01;44;44;21
Chris Prins
Is.
01;44;44;24 - 01;44;45;24
Chris Prins
Titles.
01;44;45;26 - 01;45;02;12
Max Grover
Oh I know what I was going to ask you too. And publicly and for all your colleagues here and so you don't have that answer. But how does it like now? Because I saw like partner for you and there's there's a handful of partners there, right? I mean, six, seven, eight.
01;45;02;14 - 01;45;03;21
Chris Prins
Nine, something like that.
01;45;03;24 - 01;45;17;01
Max Grover
How does that work for you? Like when you buy in, do they make more shares for people or are they creating new shares or and then somebody has or is somebody selling out.
01;45;17;02 - 01;45;18;20
Chris Prins
Or depends if.
01;45;18;20 - 01;45;24;22
Max Grover
You left and started Chris Prince commercial or joined us at Moxy which I think.
01;45;24;24 - 01;45;38;26
Chris Prins
You know maybe my partnership and they're on it all the time is right Yeah yeah yeah Hey you're up in our office early, like, so this is. This is it. This is where you guys are all in one room.
01;45;38;26 - 01;45;41;11
Chris Prins
I'm like, What happens if two of you are on the phone at the same time in.
01;45;41;11 - 01;45;43;02
Chris Prins
This locker room?
01;45;43;04 - 01;45;48;25
Chris Prins
And then what happens with all these other people from city barns and you just wander around yelling on your cell phone?
01;45;48;27 - 01;46;00;29
Max Grover
That's a good there. They just have to listen. Or I go in the parking lot, I cause I caused an accident in the parking lot was I was on the phone and two people were backing up and they're both watching me.
01;46;01;04 - 01;46;03;09
Chris Prins
Or they saying, you and the other.
01;46;03;11 - 01;46;04;15
Max Grover
Inmate factor in.
01;46;04;15 - 01;46;11;22
Chris Prins
And I'm like, Oh yeah. So yeah, yeah, yeah. Sorry, guys. Yeah. So yeah.
01;46;11;25 - 01;46;13;19
Max Grover
That's a hazard.
01;46;13;22 - 01;46;32;13
Chris Prins
To answer. Question. I guess it. Could be a couple of different ways. If somebody retires or wants to sell their shares, you know, then they cause some issues or terribly they just, you know, want to not be a partner anymore and be involved that involved.
01;46;32;16 - 01;46;48;18
Max Grover
But the part that was confusing to me in that scenario where it's like, hey, like I'm retiring or hey, I do, I'm just slowing down. I want to start my own shop down in Florida or whatever. Like, do you guys put the value of the businesses increase? So who gets a name that values?
01;46;48;24 - 01;46;50;15
Chris Prins
We have a third party that.
01;46;50;18 - 01;46;51;17
Max Grover
And and.
01;46;51;19 - 01;46;52;06
Chris Prins
Does every.
01;46;52;06 - 01;46;53;09
Max Grover
Every year. It gives every.
01;46;53;09 - 01;46;53;21
Chris Prins
Year.
01;46;53;23 - 01;46;57;24
Max Grover
Just through your accountant. Yeah that's what I figured you had to be doing. Yeah. And so then.
01;46;58;02 - 01;47;04;26
Chris Prins
It's like it's based off the usually last three or every three or five years I can remember what it is but of.
01;47;04;29 - 01;47;24;25
Max Grover
EBIDTA or whatever and that and then that's hard to like from the brokerage situation because it's like for me, like brokerage is never, it's the people that like you, you left, your clients aren't going to keep working with an AI per se. Maybe couple, but the majority of them are going to follow you because they know you. They trust you.
01;47;24;25 - 01;47;25;11
Max Grover
Yeah.
01;47;25;11 - 01;47;26;00
Chris Prins
Yeah.
01;47;26;02 - 01;47;29;01
Max Grover
And so that's where I am. I, I just saw a partner today.
01;47;29;01 - 01;47;37;19
Chris Prins
It's, it's, I know it's the property management piece to Oh that's like, that's more of a traditional type of business where you have like you know.
01;47;37;27 - 01;47;47;07
Max Grover
Cash flow brokerage every single month it grows and more like the insurance thing, right? Yeah. Yeah. So the book, you take people online very often. Yeah.
01;47;47;10 - 01;48;01;01
Chris Prins
Yeah. I mean, it's like individual brokerage. You can do big swings. One year to the next, but I don't know. Yeah. So they base it off of it the last three or four years and that just values and.
01;48;01;01 - 01;48;17;27
Max Grover
Then basically the membership or the group has the first right. If you were to leave the, the other partners to buy it. Yeah. My next book. Can you sell me your shares. I can I really, I, I'm just curious.
01;48;18;00 - 01;48;19;03
Chris Prins
I think I could.
01;48;19;05 - 01;48;29;15
Chris Prins
Use I think everyone de non-voting there is a process there but if everyone did pass but you you can't be a voting. I don't think you can imagine.
01;48;29;18 - 01;48;32;23
Chris Prins
Yeah, but that makes sense.
01;48;32;25 - 01;48;36;16
Chris Prins
Yeah, but I'm guessing somebody would buy them before they let you buy them.
01;48;36;21 - 01;48;38;13
Chris Prins
Oh 100%.
01;48;38;16 - 01;48;40;11
Chris Prins
I yeah. I don't want to speak for everybody.
01;48;40;13 - 01;48;43;14
Chris Prins
Would be driving up the price. I feel like getting the bidding.
01;48;43;14 - 01;48;44;03
Max Grover
War to keep.
01;48;44;03 - 01;48;46;00
Chris Prins
Me so strong and crazy.
01;48;46;00 - 01;48;46;18
Chris Prins
Little.
01;48;46;20 - 01;48;47;18
Max Grover
Fingers off of your.
01;48;47;19 - 01;48;54;19
Chris Prins
Debt which have the name tarnished. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No.
01;48;54;21 - 01;49;02;00
Max Grover
And that's. That's interesting. So how long you've been a partner on?
01;49;02;03 - 01;49;17;04
Chris Prins
Was it easy to get rid of it? No, no kick. Is it always like parties? Like, ah, you don't even need to announce this. And also I don't run the regulations, but probably like.
01;49;17;04 - 01;49;19;05
Chris Prins
20.
01;49;19;05 - 01;49;22;06
Chris Prins
One it's called it. I think it's 2020.
01;49;22;13 - 01;49;23;25
Chris Prins
Okay.
01;49;23;27 - 01;49;28;08
Chris Prins
Because it was during COVID. Yeah.
01;49;28;10 - 01;49;35;22
Max Grover
Big, big decision for you or not. Like, I mean, like, obviously, like you've been there. That's your place. Yeah. Yeah.
01;49;35;24 - 01;49;41;27
Chris Prins
It wasn't. It wasn't. At some point you're like, All right, I'm going to be doing this. You know my as well.
01;49;41;29 - 01;49;44;09
Chris Prins
Yeah, you know, that's a good broker.
01;49;44;09 - 01;49;48;28
Max Grover
It's like honestly is a it's of my favorite brokerages and it's good people.
01;49;48;28 - 01;49;49;19
Chris Prins
There's not anybody.
01;49;49;19 - 01;49;59;05
Max Grover
There and such good people. I don't know how you guys do that like keep good like non we I mean, you have egos but you're not.
01;49;59;07 - 01;50;05;11
Chris Prins
We try not to bring it I mean you control kind of who comes in who you know comes in so you you know.
01;50;05;13 - 01;50;07;02
Chris Prins
Yeah.
01;50;07;05 - 01;50;18;28
Chris Prins
So but a lot of it's driven you know guys litigious just me and standard stuff the original guys you know, they kind of set a precedence. Yeah.
01;50;19;01 - 01;50;27;05
Chris Prins
You know, when the when they don't have egos and you like and they, you know, they're rational, you know, so care about other.
01;50;27;05 - 01;50;30;11
Max Grover
People and top producers in the market and.
01;50;30;13 - 01;50;33;00
Chris Prins
Don't have Yeah.
01;50;33;02 - 01;50;35;17
Max Grover
Never let the greed side create.
01;50;35;17 - 01;50;37;26
Chris Prins
Yeah yeah yeah yeah it's yeah.
01;50;37;29 - 01;50;42;05
Chris Prins
It's not it's not worth it you know I mean whatever money.
01;50;42;07 - 01;50;47;19
Max Grover
But but that's not, that's Yes I agree but not everyone does it.
01;50;47;19 - 01;50;58;28
Chris Prins
Oh yeah absolutely. And I get that. Yeah you can so it's could be slap bang over something that's minor and then like Yeah.
01;50;59;01 - 01;51;00;02
Chris Prins
Hmm.
01;51;00;04 - 01;51;04;23
Chris Prins
But there's not our markets. We got a lot of good people though, like in.
01;51;04;26 - 01;51;06;28
Max Grover
In West Michigan. Yeah. In general. Yeah.
01;51;07;03 - 01;51;07;23
Chris Prins
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01;51;07;24 - 01;51;10;19
Chris Prins
If you work outside, you know.
01;51;10;22 - 01;51;11;11
Max Grover
It's different.
01;51;11;17 - 01;51;13;04
Chris Prins
Deal. Detroit, Chicago.
01;51;13;04 - 01;51;25;11
Max Grover
No, sorry I brought up the dog thing and like, I'm like we're an especially like in your past president and broker where you broke into your last year and grave gave a fantastic.
01;51;25;11 - 01;51;29;29
Chris Prins
Speech with all that gear and all that I like that. And I was just like. And I'm.
01;51;29;29 - 01;51;30;16
Max Grover
Like.
01;51;30;19 - 01;51;31;06
Chris Prins
Yeah, yeah.
01;51;31;08 - 01;51;35;16
Max Grover
I'm like marbles in my mouth, right? Yeah, yeah. Meek and terrified, running.
01;51;35;16 - 01;51;39;02
Chris Prins
Into things on the field. I had such.
01;51;39;02 - 01;51;40;01
Max Grover
A bad bruise on my.
01;51;40;01 - 01;51;40;08
Chris Prins
Heart.
01;51;40;08 - 01;51;41;29
Chris Prins
Oh, I'm sure I know it was loud.
01;51;42;01 - 01;51;44;13
Max Grover
I was. That was it kind of got worse.
01;51;44;15 - 01;51;46;07
Chris Prins
Yeah, I got a worse. Ran into.
01;51;46;07 - 01;51;47;06
Max Grover
A grand piano on.
01;51;47;06 - 01;51;48;11
Chris Prins
My. Yeah. I think I.
01;51;48;11 - 01;51;49;23
Max Grover
Was only treasurer then too.
01;51;50;00 - 01;51;51;07
Chris Prins
Yeah. Because I introduced you and.
01;51;51;07 - 01;51;55;12
Max Grover
Then I ran into grand. Not just a piano, grand piano.
01;51;55;14 - 01;51;58;18
Chris Prins
It was like commanding shot or that. Or I was very loud.
01;51;58;18 - 01;52;00;03
Max Grover
And my phone went flying.
01;52;00;05 - 01;52;01;05
Chris Prins
Phone was flying out.
01;52;01;05 - 01;52;02;03
Max Grover
And my.
01;52;02;06 - 01;52;07;15
Chris Prins
Speech. And then you got to sit there and say, Yeah, yeah So if you remember it.
01;52;07;16 - 01;52;08;24
Max Grover
I set the bar pretty low.
01;52;08;24 - 01;52;10;21
Chris Prins
No bad publicity if you all remember it.
01;52;10;21 - 01;52;13;21
Chris Prins
And yeah, yeah.
01;52;13;24 - 01;52;16;10
Max Grover
That was another time where like OJ comes out of nowhere.
01;52;16;10 - 01;52;24;06
Chris Prins
And just makes you so sure like, Hey, remember that day I ran into the piano like a dumb ass?
01;52;24;06 - 01;52;28;24
Chris Prins
Yeah, Everyone just laughs or yells and tells you you suck. And then.
01;52;28;26 - 01;52;43;04
Max Grover
And so you. Yeah, I mean, I can just kind of wonder where the, like, if they're going to keep or if like, loop not. And that is the way of the future for oh for car yeah.
01;52;43;04 - 01;52;43;16
Chris Prins
For fans.
01;52;43;16 - 01;52;49;18
Chris Prins
On the consolidation of role. I don't know like even what's already happened it's changed, you know movies and all that stuff is different.
01;52;49;24 - 01;52;52;26
Chris Prins
Yeah.
01;52;52;28 - 01;53;16;27
Chris Prins
Yeah I think they'll always be, you know, ArrayList helps, although always be like a association. And even if everyone's going through, you know, it's just the fee sharing is, you know, if that piece alone is it, is this, you know, it is not fun when you call Detroit and, you know, like wrestling fees are people's hands basically and nobody's sharing and you know it.
01;53;16;29 - 01;53;28;09
Max Grover
Yeah, that's always like the most disappointing too. And it does happen here too. Like when you're talking for years and you're like, okay, like, yeah, I'll do four to like we're all doing it for. Yeah. And then you get these statements.
01;53;28;09 - 01;53;33;24
Chris Prins
And you're like, Wait a sec, they're doing it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's such a dumb. Yeah, I know. Like they Yeah.
01;53;33;27 - 01;53;39;01
Max Grover
So for yeah, as far as like the, the splits they don't have to be 50.
01;53;39;01 - 01;53;44;22
Chris Prins
No, no, no don't. There's nothing enforcing that at all other than the golden rule.
01;53;44;24 - 01;53;47;05
Max Grover
The golden rule of like. Yeah. All of a sudden.
01;53;47;05 - 01;53;48;13
Chris Prins
I'm like yeah.
01;53;48;15 - 01;54;02;19
Max Grover
Oh the first time that I did like in my mind, I mean, I was, you know, new ish. And the first time I'm like, I was so mad. I was the same thing. I was like, Why didn't I think that like.
01;54;02;21 - 01;54;03;26
Chris Prins
But I don't know.
01;54;03;28 - 01;54;15;12
Chris Prins
It's I've had it. It's one thing where, like, if they pay you a normal fee and then they take an above normal fee, then you don't feel but it's one like if, like you said, it's a they're paying out two and they're keeping.
01;54;15;12 - 01;54;16;13
Chris Prins
Four.
01;54;16;15 - 01;54;23;25
Chris Prins
Or you're like you're paying kind of a below market fee so you can keep above market fee and that's when you get a little like the middleman, you know.
01;54;23;27 - 01;54;38;25
Max Grover
And and there can be the situation in the story where, like, you don't know, like maybe that broker helped them through the whole transaction, like turning this building around and up in rents and they've got five years. And so this building working it where then you're like, okay.
01;54;39;02 - 01;54;40;20
Chris Prins
I can get yeah, yeah. But if.
01;54;40;20 - 01;54;43;29
Max Grover
It's just like a quick turn and burn for somebody and then they'll mean.
01;54;44;04 - 01;54;45;10
Chris Prins
Yeah, I know.
01;54;45;13 - 01;54;50;09
Max Grover
That gets me going. I think it's mostly out of embarrassment though. Are you like, Dang it.
01;54;50;11 - 01;54;52;03
Chris Prins
Yeah.
01;54;52;06 - 01;54;53;26
Chris Prins
I don't know. Is it just frustrating? You know.
01;54;53;26 - 01;54;55;00
Max Grover
Maybe that's what it is. Yeah.
01;54;55;08 - 01;54;55;18
Chris Prins
Yeah.
01;54;55;25 - 01;55;00;20
Max Grover
And I've had, like, I've had a lot of stuff like that.
01;55;00;22 - 01;55;06;15
Chris Prins
Even like I had paid for. I can't.
01;55;06;15 - 01;55;10;16
Max Grover
Remember why, but I had paid for phase one.
01;55;10;18 - 01;55;13;15
Chris Prins
And you paid for if I paid for a customer or client.
01;55;13;21 - 01;55;14;03
Chris Prins
Yeah.
01;55;14;03 - 01;55;17;19
Max Grover
I can't remember exactly why, but I paid for it.
01;55;17;19 - 01;55;18;13
Chris Prins
Yeah.
01;55;18;15 - 01;55;35;24
Max Grover
To get the deal done. They take it and, and they said, well it might come down a conversation like this. Well I'm not paying for phase one to the, the seller saying this buyer saying well I'm not going to pay for phase one. And I, I probably said well I'll just pay for it. Yeah. Get the deal done.
01;55;35;24 - 01;55;39;23
Max Grover
And then on the back end, if it's clean, just pay me the.
01;55;39;26 - 01;55;40;21
Chris Prins
Deal done the let's.
01;55;40;25 - 01;55;42;21
Max Grover
Fire pay me back at closing.
01;55;42;21 - 01;55;43;12
Chris Prins
Yeah.
01;55;43;14 - 01;56;00;08
Max Grover
And it was like 1900 bucks and the day before, you know, or two days before closing the statements come out and credit to me 1900 bucks for the phase one from the buyer paying for it. And then he's like, I'm not paying for that.
01;56;00;11 - 01;56;04;09
Chris Prins
Oh yeah, it wasn't even a big transaction. Yeah, I.
01;56;04;09 - 01;56;06;10
Max Grover
Ah, I lost my shit. I'm.
01;56;06;13 - 01;56;08;17
Chris Prins
I'm so sorry.
01;56;08;19 - 01;56;09;05
Chris Prins
Of course I.
01;56;09;05 - 01;56;27;06
Max Grover
Did. And they knew I would because what am I going to blow up a whole deal for my seller? Oh, I guess. And in hindsight, I mean, they were willing to blow it up over that, but yeah, I still wanted to get paid two and for a nose. Yeah, I was just like one where I don't, I don't blow up very often but that one.
01;56;27;09 - 01;56;28;21
Chris Prins
Yeah. That one if you're a.
01;56;28;21 - 01;56;29;07
Max Grover
Broker.
01;56;29;08 - 01;56;35;08
Chris Prins
And was like you kidding me? You think that you're gonna have $1,000,000 transaction out of.
01;56;35;08 - 01;56;36;09
Max Grover
All this at the last.
01;56;36;09 - 01;56;40;02
Chris Prins
Minute because you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true.
01;56;40;05 - 01;56;46;28
Chris Prins
As far as, like, I want to live in a world where I don't need to like to to get it. Draft the whole document to have this guy pay me.
01;56;47;01 - 01;56;48;24
Max Grover
Yeah. Next time I Well, next time.
01;56;48;29 - 01;56;49;29
Chris Prins
Yeah, I know, but.
01;56;50;05 - 01;56;53;02
Chris Prins
They get paid to handle this.
01;56;53;04 - 01;56;53;24
Chris Prins
Area.
01;56;53;27 - 01;56;57;02
Max Grover
Yeah, that's just crazy stuff like that.
01;56;57;05 - 01;56;58;05
Chris Prins
Yeah.
01;56;58;08 - 01;57;02;28
Chris Prins
So you enjoy being president or what?
01;57;03;00 - 01;57;26;17
Max Grover
Actually doesn't end to end. I mean, there's only been like a there's only been like a couple of things that have been out of the norm with the exception of MLS turning over. And as much as I would love to change certain things about it, there's yeah, yeah. And I'm sure Moody's probably listens to. But Moody's, I mean, they they're the only other program out there right now.
01;57;26;17 - 01;57;46;20
Max Grover
So it's like we don't really have any other options. It's like, what is there to be done? Yeah And, and it's, there are parts of it that I actually like better, but it's just like it's the click through of like when I look up a property and then I have to click through to the property and then scroll down and then click through to the listing.
01;57;46;20 - 01;57;47;21
Max Grover
And I'm like.
01;57;47;25 - 01;57;50;23
Chris Prins
Yeah, that's in this area. But it's not.
01;57;50;25 - 01;57;55;18
Max Grover
It's not perfect, but it's not terrible. But other than that, it hasn't been there hasn't been any.
01;57;55;21 - 01;58;17;29
Chris Prins
Major Well, the thing with the Moody's or the website was, like the hard part is people don't realize that like, like, like when I was on board two is like, that was like priority one in Ft or now is there a better option? Is there you know, how do we trying to fix that? We spend so much time doing that and and the people are just like, Oh man, that's terrible.
01;58;17;29 - 01;58;30;10
Chris Prins
Why don't they just do this or want, you know, you know, people have these suggestions that are like, not even in reality or not even, you know what I mean? And you're like, well, we are we do spend a lot of time digging into that. And, you know.
01;58;30;15 - 01;58;31;13
Chris Prins
Should we.
01;58;31;13 - 01;58;43;05
Max Grover
Maybe we should program our own MLS. And it's like, yeah, I agree. Yeah, yeah. And essentially nonprofit there is going to design MLS system.
01;58;43;07 - 01;58;44;05
Chris Prins
And then everything.
01;58;44;07 - 01;58;50;03
Max Grover
Going on. I mean they spend a quarter of $1,000,000 to death and then everyone's to hate it.
01;58;50;06 - 01;58;50;23
Chris Prins
Yeah.
01;58;50;26 - 01;58;54;27
Chris Prins
Yeah. And you're still going to complain about something like No one.
01;58;54;29 - 01;58;55;26
Chris Prins
We're we're.
01;58;55;26 - 01;58;56;25
Max Grover
High maintenance group.
01;58;56;25 - 01;58;57;21
Chris Prins
Yeah, that's that.
01;58;57;22 - 01;59;01;08
Max Grover
But sure I mean sure does so much for it makes it super easy.
01;59;01;13 - 01;59;05;12
Chris Prins
I know. Yeah. She absorbs a lot of the hits and.
01;59;05;12 - 01;59;12;23
Max Grover
We got to go to DC with Chris Burns and Chris, our parents.
01;59;12;24 - 01;59;13;22
Chris Prins
Yeah.
01;59;13;24 - 01;59;16;18
Max Grover
Did you know he changed the middle name to Da da da?
01;59;16;19 - 01;59;18;26
Chris Prins
I'll let them do that.
01;59;18;29 - 01;59;21;06
Chris Prins
Chris Da Praise the da.
01;59;21;08 - 01;59;26;19
Max Grover
Charlie Holts. And who else? Tony Pearson.
01;59;26;19 - 01;59;27;03
Chris Prins
Lasagna.
01;59;27;06 - 01;59;33;09
Max Grover
So I mean, we had blast doing that and then we're going to Atlanta as well for the C five, which will be.
01;59;33;11 - 01;59;34;09
Chris Prins
Oh, that's cool. Yeah.
01;59;34;09 - 01;59;35;23
Max Grover
And Chris is awesome.
01;59;35;23 - 01;59;36;12
Chris Prins
So yeah.
01;59;36;19 - 01;59;39;09
Max Grover
Helps them. Yeah. Else it makes it easy.
01;59;39;11 - 01;59;44;17
Chris Prins
Yeah. I only got to do one trip. Oh yeah. I was like vice president during COVID and then president. Right.
01;59;44;17 - 01;59;46;07
Max Grover
So, you know, any of the perks, I would.
01;59;46;07 - 01;59;49;14
Chris Prins
Just we went to San Diego, which is fun. But aside from.
01;59;49;14 - 01;59;52;04
Max Grover
That, it wasn't even open when you went like.
01;59;52;06 - 02;00;08;28
Chris Prins
Yet. Yeah, it was that was kind of that. It was like in the fall. So it was almost two years old. Like, okay, so it was a way mass and stuff it all inside. But they, they are, they still have like all events going on. The restaurants were open and so that was nice.
02;00;08;28 - 02;00;13;00
Max Grover
But you got to wear your mask to your table.
02;00;13;03 - 02;00;14;08
Chris Prins
Yeah.
02;00;14;10 - 02;00;16;21
Max Grover
And an airplane unless you're eating.
02;00;16;23 - 02;00;19;24
Chris Prins
Yes. Correct.
02;00;19;27 - 02;00;25;04
Chris Prins
Yeah. It's okay. I'm glad that that's like don't worry. I guess since.
02;00;25;07 - 02;00;35;09
Max Grover
It's so insane, they think about and even like, like my kids, like, you know, they people want me to put the kids in and then, like, they're eating trash.
02;00;35;09 - 02;00;36;03
Chris Prins
Or a.
02;00;36;08 - 02;00;37;18
Max Grover
Trashcan or a window.
02;00;37;18 - 02;00;37;23
Chris Prins
Or.
02;00;37;23 - 02;00;43;06
Max Grover
Yeah, yeah. And then, like, you're, you're supposed to put a mask on the little kid like that. Yeah. Come on, guys.
02;00;43;07 - 02;00;44;14
Chris Prins
I know, I know.
02;00;44;18 - 02;00;47;12
Max Grover
Chris believes all of this that I'm saying.
02;00;47;17 - 02;00;53;04
Chris Prins
Like, he's just signing all this on his name. Yeah, And.
02;00;53;07 - 02;00;54;27
Max Grover
And remember, he's an anti-vaxxer.
02;00;54;27 - 02;01;01;20
Chris Prins
Yeah. No. Chris, Who are you voting for in 2024? This is why I don't want.
02;01;01;20 - 02;01;04;21
Chris Prins
To come on the group NATO. And that idea.
02;01;04;24 - 02;01;08;14
Chris Prins
Just to be clear. Yeah, these are.
02;01;08;14 - 02;01;12;11
Max Grover
None of Chris's opinions and do not associated.
02;01;12;11 - 02;01;12;27
Chris Prins
With me any.
02;01;12;28 - 02;01;16;02
Chris Prins
Not allow me in with Max in any sense of the word.
02;01;16;04 - 02;01;20;27
Max Grover
In fact, came out here just to separate himself out and to make sure it was defined.
02;01;20;29 - 02;01;21;27
Chris Prins
Yeah.
02;01;22;00 - 02;01;31;04
Max Grover
Yeah. No, I think yeah. I mean, it's I'm going to call, but yeah, I think overall it's been fine. The president thing. It's been.
02;01;31;04 - 02;01;32;04
Chris Prins
Yeah, it's not too bad.
02;01;32;06 - 02;01;34;11
Max Grover
No, it's such a good group of people. Yeah.
02;01;34;12 - 02;01;35;19
Chris Prins
Yeah, sure.
02;01;35;22 - 02;01;39;06
Chris Prins
Everybody's sure it's good. It's Yeah. So it's not a nuisance.
02;01;39;13 - 02;01;45;26
Max Grover
I'm not very good at the the speaking though. You were so good at that.
02;01;45;28 - 02;01;46;11
Chris Prins
Yeah Yeah.
02;01;46;13 - 02;01;53;15
Max Grover
You're pretty good at it. Especially sir. And Sara, before you or after you.
02;01;53;18 - 02;01;54;22
Chris Prins
He was right after.
02;01;54;23 - 02;01;57;11
Max Grover
Right after. Oh, yeah. Poor guy.
02;01;57;12 - 02;02;04;21
Chris Prins
Yeah. Oh, man. Sorry, Mark, but that's so hard.
02;02;04;21 - 02;02;06;22
Max Grover
Do it like seven in the morning when I.
02;02;06;24 - 02;02;08;24
Chris Prins
Oh, morning. You have no one.
02;02;08;29 - 02;02;14;04
Max Grover
Wants to be like they want to, but they. Yeah, Yeah. And that's tough. That's a tough crowd.
02;02;14;04 - 02;02;18;23
Chris Prins
Yeah, I know this. Yeah, the breakfast people are. Yeah.
02;02;18;26 - 02;02;21;20
Chris Prins
All right, well, what do you have after this?
02;02;21;23 - 02;02;29;11
Chris Prins
I was going to back to us for a little while and pick up my kids. I like a basketball train thing. I like till, like, 6 hours. I took them up and go home. Yeah.
02;02;29;13 - 02;02;30;24
Max Grover
And then the up.
02;02;30;26 - 02;02;50;26
Chris Prins
There will be on Thursday afternoon at the Greenleaf. So, yeah, we're spending the day in that math. And, uh, and that has never been American. I see. I've never been north of, like, Traverse City in, like, none of my kids have. My wife went, she said when she was like a kid, but if going to live here I my as well like.
02;02;50;29 - 02;02;52;05
Chris Prins
It's it's beautiful.
02;02;52;05 - 02;03;06;22
Chris Prins
Yeah it seems like it Yeah. So well I don't really like pictured rock and roll. Yeah. Or whatever like the normal things everyone is just like Thursday afternoon until I'm back on Monday. Sort of be kind of like along.
02;03;06;24 - 02;03;10;28
Max Grover
Just in the in the family car or. Yeah.
02;03;11;00 - 02;03;16;12
Chris Prins
Yeah. Just not on an RV We did that once we went to South Dakota.
02;03;16;15 - 02;03;17;01
Chris Prins
Oh yeah.
02;03;17;02 - 02;03;22;16
Chris Prins
I've rented like a RV that I Yeah it was nice.
02;03;22;17 - 02;03;23;23
Chris Prins
Yeah it was.
02;03;23;23 - 02;03;24;22
Chris Prins
It was rough.
02;03;24;25 - 02;03;44;01
Max Grover
We did that I think I had one kid and Zach had one kid and Ben and Danny came and they didn't have any. We rented like a big van and. Drove out there because like people that I lived with when I was playing hockey, juniors had a place out and black. Was it black? Whatever Black. The black and black Hills.
02;03;44;01 - 02;03;44;24
Chris Prins
Yeah.
02;03;44;26 - 02;03;48;03
Max Grover
And so we went and drove a van and I think we all hated each other.
02;03;48;05 - 02;03;50;28
Chris Prins
I know. It's. Yeah.
02;03;51;01 - 02;03;52;13
Max Grover
So, like, I hate you.
02;03;52;13 - 02;04;08;15
Chris Prins
Well RV's, they're like they're not, they're like the stuff inside is not that high quality and it's, you know, it's, Yeah. And like it's kind of loud and there so then our kids would, they'd be like didn't want to watch a movie or whatever and, but it'd be kind of loud and they're like, you're going to say no, they're just loud a little bit.
02;04;08;15 - 02;04;13;08
Chris Prins
So but they, they, I mean, they thought it was awesome because they're like, cannot walk around and.
02;04;13;08 - 02;04;15;12
Max Grover
You know, is that what you did on Hills?
02;04;15;14 - 02;04;25;18
Chris Prins
Yeah, we did like, yeah, for Custer. Yeah, yeah. All that stuff was shows a lot of fun, but it was like it took a little while. I used to drive only when it gets windy.
02;04;25;18 - 02;04;26;20
Chris Prins
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
02;04;26;22 - 02;04;28;07
Max Grover
Especially out there flat.
02;04;28;09 - 02;04;29;27
Chris Prins
Oh, yeah. You're driving.
02;04;29;27 - 02;04;32;07
Max Grover
By another semi coming other way and it's like, oh.
02;04;32;10 - 02;04;39;20
Chris Prins
Yeah. I mean some of these campsites you say you wind it around to get in the back, this thing into this. I don't know what's not.
02;04;39;25 - 02;04;41;17
Chris Prins
Bad for you. It is like the.
02;04;41;17 - 02;04;46;24
Chris Prins
Least is like the most stressful trip over at our kids. It's like they're like, we should just do that every trip, you know.
02;04;46;24 - 02;04;51;15
Chris Prins
Like you never know, I don't love you this much.
02;04;51;15 - 02;04;57;15
Chris Prins
We start like, we stopped on the way out there, and you can park on these Walmart parking lots with these things and just say.
02;04;57;15 - 02;04;58;16
Chris Prins
Yeah.
02;04;58;18 - 02;05;08;04
Chris Prins
But man, I was sleeping by the time I pulled in there, you know? And then like, I go, you know, you try to wind down just like lay down the wall.
02;05;08;09 - 02;05;09;18
Max Grover
Mean there's people coming in.
02;05;09;23 - 02;05;11;20
Chris Prins
I believe all middle. It's all ours.
02;05;11;20 - 02;05;16;01
Chris Prins
Kids with kids, people yelling. I mean.
02;05;16;04 - 02;05;25;12
Chris Prins
Horns honking like I sleep at all in the glory. Someone's going to break. You know, you're in the Wal-Mart parking lot and who knows? We're in Wisconsin or something like this.
02;05;25;14 - 02;05;26;16
Chris Prins
Wow. Walmart.
02;05;26;16 - 02;05;32;23
Max Grover
It's like the bump in place. Like that's like Sue Saint Marie. Like the place people hang out as Taco Bell.
02;05;32;23 - 02;05;35;01
Chris Prins
Yeah. Yeah, like all hours.
02;05;35;04 - 02;05;39;26
Chris Prins
It's time to go there or they'll go hang on. The lot if it's not even opening. Well.
02;05;39;28 - 02;05;42;05
Max Grover
I had a friend. They grew up there. It's like that's what we did.
02;05;42;05 - 02;05;43;00
Chris Prins
Yeah, just drove up.
02;05;43;00 - 02;05;44;13
Max Grover
To Taco Bell and we'd go fight each.
02;05;44;13 - 02;05;46;11
Chris Prins
Other. Yeah, Yeah, that's. Yeah, that's what I'm like.
02;05;46;11 - 02;05;53;18
Chris Prins
There's probably like 50 kids drinking in the parking lot right now. They're all underage. They're going to like, they see this RV like.
02;05;53;18 - 02;05;54;21
Max Grover
Like I'm at there's some nice.
02;05;54;22 - 02;05;55;22
Chris Prins
Stuff going.
02;05;55;25 - 02;05;58;12
Chris Prins
Like. Knock on the door, run away, like it's.
02;05;58;14 - 02;06;00;20
Max Grover
Yeah, it's great.
02;06;00;26 - 02;06;03;22
Chris Prins
Yeah. Sara Sorry. I will be. I'm excited for. That'll be fun.
02;06;03;29 - 02;06;04;16
Max Grover
That's good.
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Chris Prins
Yeah. I don't know.
02;06;05;24 - 02;06;09;26
Max Grover
Like at all. All I do is go to birthday parties pretty much every weekend.
02;06;09;29 - 02;06;12;12
Chris Prins
Oh, you hear me? I'm your own kid's birthday.
02;06;12;18 - 02;06;14;28
Chris Prins
My. Oh, yeah, it's my brother, nieces.
02;06;14;28 - 02;06;18;16
Max Grover
And nephews and everyone in town, so I think I have another.
02;06;18;18 - 02;06;19;20
Chris Prins
Well, how old is your youngest?
02;06;19;26 - 02;06;20;24
Max Grover
Two.
02;06;20;27 - 02;06;35;04
Chris Prins
So you're not quite. We're like, I forget how old our youngest was. He was made for when we started. Like when you can actually go on vacation, just because, like, we do, like in case when they get extended family and all that. But like when you go just like the like just six of us, it's like a different.
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Chris Prins
Yeah.
02;06;35;28 - 02;06;36;25
Chris Prins
So it's good to do.
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Max Grover
To do.
02;06;37;08 - 02;06;37;18
Chris Prins
That.
02;06;37;26 - 02;06;56;13
Chris Prins
But I think we went to like, um, smoggy mountains. Like for some we said like mammoth caves. It was like a nine hour drive. It wasn't or, you know, yeah, too bad. And it was, you know, a few days, did a couple of hikes and I remember getting back and being like, All right, everyone did. Well, we can I feel like we can vacation now.
02;06;56;13 - 02;06;59;05
Chris Prins
We can like we've made it to this point where we.
02;06;59;08 - 02;07;01;06
Chris Prins
I can see that my kids get like four.
02;07;01;06 - 02;07;02;16
Max Grover
The youngest is four.
02;07;02;18 - 02;07;06;17
Chris Prins
Yeah. I mean, you carry them a little bit, but like overall they're, you know.
02;07;06;19 - 02;07;10;11
Max Grover
It wasn't awful like a couple, maybe a couple meltdowns.
02;07;10;17 - 02;07;10;25
Chris Prins
Yeah.
02;07;10;26 - 02;07;15;13
Chris Prins
There's all like, yeah, there's still this weekend. There'll be mold I'm sure like meltdowns at time.
02;07;15;15 - 02;07;19;11
Chris Prins
Yeah. My side could take me. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
02;07;19;12 - 02;07;21;19
Chris Prins
It's, I was in the back last, you know, it's a whole.
02;07;21;25 - 02;07;22;00
Chris Prins
I.
02;07;22;00 - 02;07;42;01
Max Grover
Think there a, there's a story where my grandma was driving us for like a long distance and it was like the five boys, four brothers, five boys in the back, and maybe my cousin and couple of cousins the back of this car, and she's like, You guys are acting like animals. So then we started, like, howling.
02;07;42;02 - 02;07;51;10
Chris Prins
Oh, yeah, I just flipped on her. She's like, Don't fight other. You're united against it. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And then my dad.
02;07;51;10 - 02;07;58;25
Max Grover
Had this unique ability where he could be driving 85 miles down the road in this and still somehow hit you in the backseat.
02;07;58;25 - 02;08;13;11
Chris Prins
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I try to be there. That wheel doesn't swerve like you got those long arms. You could just. There's always the threat of. Yeah, yeah, no kidding. Oh, that's great. Well.
02;08;13;13 - 02;08;15;04
Max Grover
Thank you for coming on. And, you know, it's.
02;08;15;04 - 02;08;15;17
Chris Prins
Fun that.
02;08;15;22 - 02;08;17;02
Max Grover
Was. I know you're hesitant to be.
02;08;17;02 - 02;08;22;04
Chris Prins
Associated with me. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. Yeah, It's on record like this. This is like.
02;08;22;07 - 02;08;22;19
Chris Prins
It'll be a.
02;08;22;19 - 02;08;27;08
Max Grover
Good it's a good surprise for Chris, though. Or maybe he'll be mad.
02;08;27;08 - 02;08;28;20
Chris Prins
I don't know.
02;08;28;23 - 02;08;35;27
Chris Prins
Yeah, I don't think he'll be mad. I think he'll be fine. So unless he's got to do you know.
02;08;35;29 - 02;08;40;19
Max Grover
Well, Chris, I love you. And congratulations on your baby. Not this Chris. I don't love this, Chris.
02;08;40;22 - 02;08;40;26
Chris Prins
Right.
02;08;40;28 - 02;08;43;20
Chris Prins
Just about. But I don't want.
02;08;43;23 - 02;08;44;27
Chris Prins
To feel bad now.
02;08;45;00 - 02;08;48;10
Chris Prins
No, I do. I do love this, Chris. I love both. Chris, progress.
02;08;48;11 - 02;08;55;29
Max Grover
In our market. It's unfortunate that one's taller, better looking, smarter, more successful than the one I work with most of the time. Yeah.
02;08;55;29 - 02;08;56;25
Chris Prins
Yeah, that's.
02;08;56;28 - 02;09;01;07
Chris Prins
Yeah, you can, you can, you can make.
02;09;01;07 - 02;09;03;10
Chris Prins
Sure. Yeah.
02;09;03;12 - 02;09;04;27
Chris Prins
So thank you for coming in. Yeah, no.
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Max Grover
Problem. Thank you.
02;09;06;05 - 02;09;08;00
Chris Prins
Thanks. Got to come back sometime. Yeah, I'm.
02;09;08;00 - 02;09;41;09
Chris Prins
Sure it's great that.