The Perception of Beauty Standards

Have you ever stood in front of a mirror, grappling with the reflection that stares back? Join me as I raise a toast to the untold stories of beauty and the black woman's experience. Together with my guests, Nahdya and Bobbie, we unlock the vault of personal narratives, from Nahdya's nurturing affirmations of her skin color by her mother to Bobbie's poignant tales of feeling othered in a predominantly white neighborhood. We unravel the complex tapestry of societal expectations and self-acceptance, and share how our family matriarchs — grandmothers and mothers alike — have shaped our notions of dignity, worth, and beauty in the most profound ways.

Host KC Carnage (@iamkccarnage), Bobbie Riley (@@bobbierileybeauty) , and Nahdya Weathers (@nahdyaweathers)

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

The beauty standards. You think this phase of, like BBLs and like Tommy Tux and, like you know, lipo and all that stuff would like die.

Speaker 2: 0:09

I truly hope that the women that have sacrificed their life to alter their bodies that it doesn't go out of style, they don't have long-term health issues. But who's to say it's what falls into your algorithm ultimately like is what you're gonna see. But I can understand from a woman's perspective. That's like I don't feel like I'm perfect and I'm seeing all of these like filtered images, airbrushed images. The reality is, no one looks like that.

Speaker 1: 1:07

What up, what up, what up, welcome to that said, that's all. And today, you know, I got my girls on the show. We have Nadia of ChatWergyDMAG and we have Bobby Riley of Bobby Riley Beauty, hello. And today, you know, I have been very blessed with some beautiful friends, not necessarily always physically beautiful, but also inner beauty, and that's really what's important to me. People shine the way they shine, and you got a lot of them to do that, because we ain't trying to dim the way these lights around here.

Speaker 1: 1:37

But I do want to talk about the standard of beauty and how it affects black women, especially in our, you know, our daily, our professional life, all that. And you know I happen to have two individuals here, that one is a makeup artist and one talks about fashion and beauty all the time, whether she's vlogging about it or she's going to events about it. So I thought this was a great topic to talk about it with my girls. But before we do that, let's say cheers, guys, cheers, cheers. How y'all doing today? I can't reach you, bobby but cheers air, cheers air cheers.

Speaker 1: 2:09

Um. So my first question to you guys is did you always feel beautiful and if not, why? My god, what a loaded question. I know I'm getting into it.

Speaker 3: 2:20

My mom forced me to really like look at the things that I loved about myself, and I got made fun of a lot in school for being so dark skin and I grew up in Atlanta, so it was kind of like what, where you making the same color like what are you talking about?

Speaker 3: 2:38

That's right. But because we traveled a lot, I got to see other, different kinds of people and other people who appreciated my skin tone. That was really like the main thing. Like I'm in third grade, I was wearing heels but like as far as my skin complexion, that was always the thing that I had insecurities about. But my mom was like, oh no, we're nipping that in the bud real quick.

Speaker 1: 3:03

I feel that, I feel that how about you, bobby?

Speaker 2: 3:06

Wow, it's such a loaded question because I think part of me, I would say I think in in in childlike form I was so innocent to like the world and I didn't really care about those things. I don't think I was so concerned with my beauty. But I would say like my mom was my beauty standard, which was like impossible, like she didn't wear any makeup. She had like long boned, straight, like Pocahontas hair, the most beautiful skin, like all she wore was lipstick. So it was just it. That was kind of a lot for me and she was very like had a great body, a great form and I was like the chubby kid in my family. So I think like for me, I think externally it felt, I guess, unattainable because I grew up in Virginia Beach, I was like one of the only black girls in my school and you know, like my mom has this beautiful, perfect hair, my hair is like curly and like shrivels up, like the shrinkage was crazy.

Speaker 2: 3:59

I don't know, I was like I was chubby, so I think I think like I wasn't concerned about that as much as I am now as a kid, but I feel like there were a lot of insecurities just because of where I grew up in, like my surrounding.

Speaker 1: 4:13

No, I feel that I grew up in the suburbs in New Jersey and I have to say like there was a time. Okay, but I guess this question is loaded for myself too, because I never not felt beautiful. But I didn't feel beautiful, if that makes sense, because it was always that thing like my best friend. She was a light-skinned woman, like like red bone, but in my family my family's a little darker, but I was the lightest one in my family, like my like. If I just show you like, like, like um baby pictures and stuff like that, you would think I was gonna be like skinning and like God had other plans, which is fine. I love my black, don't get me wrong.

Speaker 1: 4:46

But like I guess and I would compare myself to her a lot because it was just like we'd be in a room and they would immediately jar attention we both sang she's a dancer and it was like, well, I, you know, hi, me too. So it's like as a child you learn to like you have let. Once you grow up, you learn to like stand on your own and recognize who you are. But as a child you are walking around comparing yourself to other people, what other people look like, who's getting the most attention? Like I remember I asked my mom for a perm just because I wanted my hair straight because girl the shrinkage is real.

Speaker 3: 5:16

Like it is a real thing.

Speaker 1: 5:18

So, yeah, I would have to say that's a real thing, that I asked everybody or at least you know, at least to you guys, to the audience as well like when we were talking about ourselves and our standard of beauty. It does come a lot from the outside, and my next question and I think Nadia already answered hers was Um, was there positive, positive influences around you to reassure you that your black is beautiful?

Speaker 3: 5:41

I didn't. So I didn't know I was black until I liked a boy, because I in Elementary school I grew up around a lot of white people, so I didn't even have to understand the concept of like, oh, you're black until like first grade or something like that, and I was like, wait, what I am? And it was just kind of like. When I moved to Atlanta I I actually had black friends and Even then it was still like a or her hair straighter, or like her curls are more Bouncy or you know, like looser. So I don't know for me I was just trying to Accept the things that I liked about myself which I was getting at home. But it's come. It's completely different when you go to school and you're like, okay, I'm like, am I? It is? What is what my mom's is telling me, true? So it's kind of like, you know, a little uncomfortable because of that.

Speaker 1: 6:42

Yeah, I feel that I feel like in my household If I would say I wouldn't necessarily like it was beautiful. Like the women in my household were like worker bees like we. They weren't like the glam squad, like they weren't like that's not what my women in my family were. They were like get a job, make sure you can take care of yourself. And my grandmother was a nurse, worked 40 hours late, but my grandma's hair was a late Okay, that's one thing she did not play about. She had that pressing curl every two weeks and my grandmother was very beautiful, like she was, you know, very thin, like she. Just she was a super southern bell, so like literally she walked in her room. It like who's Nancy, who's that, whatever. But like my, the women in my, I had to like, learn like glam and like Things like that myself, because that's not what the women in my family were like. We were beautiful, but like in a different version of what, like I guess people expect that to be.

Speaker 1: 7:30

What was your positive? Do you have any positive influences? Like I know you said talk about your mom.

Speaker 2: 7:34

Yeah. So there's this book that my parents it was like a book and a song and my parents gave it to me Because I was really attached to my grandmother who's my Nana Her name is Bobby and we she would. She watched me. She was like what people would consider like a nanny, you know. I mean, that was the person that watched me.

Speaker 2: 7:54

My parents weren't home and it's called there are no mirrors in my Nana's house and it's like this, this book, and it was by a black author and it was basically saying because, like, the beauty that I Saw was through her, what she saw. And I think that that was like my most positive influence. My mom she read a tight ship, like we were. We had to be in shape, we had to have our hair done. Always, we always had like the good outfits. I think it's just because of like going to private school, like they. My mom probably didn't want people to like worry or be like so, but she really read. My mom really ran a tight ship and she was very cautious about my weight and just certain things about me. So I think what came most naturally to me as a positive influence of beauty was just like when I was around my Nana and like the things that we would do and just like just kind of Not really viewing myself from a lens of like scrutiny.

Speaker 1: 8:57

Do you think like, like your? Your mom was like the pressure cooker, and then your grandmother let you breathe.

Speaker 2: 9:02

Yes.

Speaker 1: 9:04

Yeah, I feel that. I feel, that a lot like I am. That's kind of how my aunt was like. She was like the pressure cookie, like you Went to her house. It was a certain way Uh-huh, it was a certain thing you had to do and my uncle was like you know, like judging jury, like to this day, we're like what you know to this day. So I feel you and that, has your looks ever been challenged by your counterparts, whether it was professionally or personally?

Speaker 3: 9:29

um, I think. So I have dated all different types of men, mm-hmm, and but most of them were not black, okay, and I had this thing about, like my scarf and my bonnet, and it was just always like a thing, what is that on your head? What like? And I didn't feel as Sexy or attractive because I'm going to sleep with this thing on my head. He's not used to that and and it's kind of like you know we're getting into it. It's like he's staring at it.

Speaker 3: 10:14

I can't wear this, my hair is like I gotta protect my hair my edges, like you, know I gotta protect it and you know, sometimes it gets to the point where, like I wrap my hair like like wig cap and the scarf and the bonnet you know it's multi layered, it's serious.

Speaker 1: 10:31

Yeah, yeah, I feel that. I feel that I don't know, like I don't know if I guess the challenge for me is that again it goes to the hair. It's to the hair because I'm like don't reach my hair like I would feel like Okay. So one of the reasons, why I? Stopped wearing wigs Was because if I wanted to like, have sex or whatever, I would be afraid it would fall off and I'd like again, like.

Speaker 1: 10:57

I did, I dated my race and I I always had this biggest fear that, like if I knew I was going to have sex, I needed to make sure whatever my hair was doing, it was tacked down.

Speaker 3: 11:10

Because I would feel comfortable like I had that I had that motion In the dark.

Speaker 1: 11:20

I'm like, look, leave me alone. But like the challenges, it was just more so. Like Asking, like why do I wear this, or why do I have to do this? Or, like you know, like pressing my hair. I was pressing my hair one day and it was like smell, like you know yeah, it was like oh, why would you do that? Why would you like, don't ask me no questions like.

Speaker 3: 11:41

Thank you right.

Speaker 1: 11:45

You just enjoy the aftermath, okay.

Speaker 3: 11:49

Yeah, enjoy that aftermath.

Speaker 1: 11:51

But yeah, definitely was around my hair too. I agree with that, yeah um, for me.

Speaker 2: 11:56

I'm trying to think of like if there's anything I'd say, if anything, my environment has always shown me how beautiful that I am. And I mean I've only dated black men. I've actually I haven't had any experiences with any other races. To be honest, like when I was in middle school, I like when I lived in Atlanta I tried to date a white guy and he was like I can't bring you home. And I was like okay, so like from there.

Speaker 3: 12:19

It was like never doing that again.

Speaker 2: 12:21

And it wasn't like he was. He didn't think I was beautiful. It was like, yeah, like my parents straight up would not be down for this, so I'm just gonna let you let you down easy. And then I think from there I just was so scarfed from that that I only really dated black guys. And no one has ever like questioned like my scarf, my pony tails, my random pony tails on the on the bureau. I just said, like I was at my man's house I was like, oh babe, I left my ponytail.

Speaker 2: 12:49

No, yeah, so I've very much so had the opposite experience of like Always feeling very encouraged and like embraced, to like be myself. I am. I do have like southern grandparents, so I was raised like you. You look good like when you're around your man. So I'm like I've never I didn't necessarily like print so much, like I didn't always have makeup on or I don't always have makeup I want around him, but like seldomly does he see me like in my like it's like after. That's just the way that I was just sleep, yeah, like this is just for sleep, and like if I'm, if I just got my hair pressed or something like you know.

Speaker 1: 13:30

That's what my hair out. Have you had any of those experiences? Like professionally, like I know you work on set a lot, like you're on set a lot, we're all in a lot. So have you had any like instances where like yeah, that side high you? Like did something or like yeah.

Speaker 3: 13:47

I haven't.

Speaker 2: 13:48

Actually, yes. So I had a manager at a department store. We're not gonna you know, we're not gonna shame any department stores in here. I had a manager at a department store that told me because I would sometimes like, come, my hair was like kind of wet, I would just throw it back, it's curly, or like I would wear it out or like whatever.

Speaker 2: 14:06

But I don't really wear that much makeup Like this is how much makeup that I typically wear on a regular, unless I'm like going to an event, like when you guys met me at the event like okay, I was like beat, but on a regular day, this is probably the amount of makeup that I'm wearing, just because I like my skin to breathe. I love my skin. It's clear, like you know, people come up to me when I work in a department store and they're like what are you using on your skin? Like I was. I was getting a lot of like you know clients through that and they were. They took me in the back and they were like it's unacceptable, like the way that you come to work, like your hair and your makeup is just like not done to like our standard, and that was probably like it was really. I was really confused because I was like I'm your beauty stylist, like I'm your VIP stylist, like you should feel confident in what I'm doing, like to make sales happen.

Speaker 3: 14:57

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 14:57

That was probably the only time which was really interesting.

Speaker 3: 14:59

I guess that kind of brings up. I used to work at Abercrombie, but because I grew up a lot, wait Abercrombie wasn't that?

Speaker 1: 15:06

no, that was Hollister that did that whole. What it was? Abercrombie, abercrombie. Yes, they have a whole documentary about the guy and he's all like sticking with the guy and like how he was picking people like specific like model tight looks, he was like well that there's a whole other part, but the whole thing was just about like the beauty standards in that show Like he was literally picking people, telling people that he had like it was a whole thing. But go ahead, abercrombie.

Speaker 3: 15:31

Well, because I grew up around a lot of white people, I had already gone through like the process of okay, well, my hair needs to be straight and as long as it's straight and I'm wearing the Abercrombie clothes and I think that's it kind of made me who I am a little bit, but that was really the only time. But even then, like the girl who I was interviewing with, oh my God, I'm like, first off, do not know what you're interviewing for, like this is one of those like they have a look right. But she came in just like not, I don't even she didn't look like she was going for a job interview in the first place, but then to go to this particular interview and like just the different, it was just like wild. But that was probably my only experience and looking back on it, it's like there was never a moment where I felt confident to wear my natural hair until I saw our kind of people that show and that was like came out a couple years ago.

Speaker 3: 16:48

So, like, I recently went through that transition of feeling like, wait, I can do that with my hair. Wait, hold up. There's like a whole slew of products Cause you know, I went through the phase of like I feel like a child with my hair. Is natural, I don't feel sexy. You know it's shorter, oh, absolutely.

Speaker 2: 17:08

There's something about like straightening my hair that just makes me feel like Bussy.

Speaker 1: 17:13

I don't know I always felt like the opposite, like, even like okay. So even though I wear like natural hair styles, I don't really wear my natural hair out, if that makes sense, like I cause I like volume, yeah.

Speaker 3: 17:27

And my hair.

Speaker 1: 17:27

When it's straight, it's straight.

Speaker 2: 17:29

Like it's no poof.

Speaker 1: 17:30

So I would feel like I like lose my face, I lose my edge. So I've always like I always like curls. But they did that something. They needed to be a weave. It wasn't like an afro or something, so I get that. But I needed volume because my hair when it's straight is not as voluminous as when it's like whatever, and that's just the shape of my face. So that's what I kind of gravitated to. But I feel you like people will look at you crazy and you're like this is just me, like let me live, yeah.

Speaker 2: 17:56

I would be like this is just who I am Like sometimes, like my hair used to be really long and black and so, like when I wore my hair big, it's like some of the curls in the front were like 4, 3b, so they were kind of wavy, and then, like my curls in the back were very, very defined, so it wasn't like all you know just kind of look like a lion, like my hair is super big, it's like day three curls.

Speaker 2: 18:18

And then I come in and I'm like have this much makeup on and then, day four, like you know, start telling us how to actually do it.

Speaker 1: 18:24

Yeah, that was a thing like we can do it, but it was just like okay, no, maybe you need this moves to like keep this right. And like you said it, like that's a recent thing, like, and you see more and more of people being proud of, like what grows out of their head how they love their urbanism of what they're doing.

Speaker 2: 18:42

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 18:43

And the fact that it is being shown on TV and you know like they're shown on the news. It's like you know, there was a, there was a I forgot her name but a new cast had just had a fro and we never see, you know, on the news seeing in a lady. Like you didn't see it, like, so now we're seeing it and it's giving us representation, which is great. But that goes into my next question how much of a role do you think the media plays in how we deem what is beautiful?

Speaker 3: 19:10

Well, social media influencers like celebrities, you can't ignore it, and for me, I work in the realm of creators, so I am really, really inspired by how different people can come up with new ways to do with their makeup, their hair, so like it 100% influences me and my life, and even that show our kind of people. Watching celebrity hairstylists do so many unique styles just blows my mind and for me it runs my life Like that's how I know what to do and what I want to try.

Speaker 2: 19:53

Yeah, yeah, I'm sure it does, because you work in the world of magazines and magazines is like our first entry, I think, like we all can relate to, like seeing our parents' magazines around the house and stuff and like just looking at these beautiful images of black and brown and white and beige, like just all of these different colors of women, and like looking at the standards change constantly.

Speaker 1: 20:23

Well, like, how do you? Okay? So I had a conversation with a male friend of mine and they were talking about how see? I hate to use this term, but I guess, if I put it blatantly and how it was presented, it was more like I don't even want to say good woman versus bad woman, because that's not what it was saying. I forgot what it was. But technically it was like the natural beauties versus the women that you know get BBLs, or like surgeries or things like that to make themselves feel more beautiful, or look more beautiful.

Speaker 1: 20:55

You know, kind of, I guess, trying to keep up with what they see on television and what they see in the media, Like they're saying, like hoes are winning, like that's what you know, that's what that's what has been like said out there, and I was gonna like I don't know if we want to say that much.

Speaker 3: 21:13

I will, that's what we read. You might be winning now but right along game, but it's also like it's a long game.

Speaker 1: 21:23

It's a long game, so like that's what I mean about like the beauty standards, like you know, like what are we doing? Like do you think this phase of, like BBLs and like Tommy tugs and, like you know, life bow and all that stuff for like I?

Speaker 2: 21:37

I truly hope that the women that have sacrificed their life To alter their bodies, that it doesn't go out of style or that you know they don't have long-term health issues, but who's to say? Um, I think that it's what falls into your algorithm. Ultimately, like is what you're gonna see for me.

Speaker 2: 22:01

I am very much so inspired, like you said, like very inspired, like by, you know, like other women, seeing other women like do things and and be beautiful and like, especially as a makeup artist, like learning new ways to like Create and just it's just like a surge of of creativity. So I don't find it being like making me feel insecure, um, but I I can't understand from a woman's perspective. That's like I don't feel like I'm perfect and I'm seeing all of these like I mean filtered images, airbrushed images of People, it's like, but the reality is no one looks like that like let's just, let's just All cap all cap because I really didn't filters the filters, no one looks like.

Speaker 1: 22:46

That the filters no one looks like that, and then it's also not even with makeup. Like I, I wanted to bring this question to you, bobby. Like what made you even want to become a makeup artist?

Speaker 2: 22:57

like what, it was such an early childhood, like I loved doing. I actually started doing my own hair at 13. Um, I just would come to this. I had such bad like salon experiences because my hair was like somewhere between my mom's, my dad, so my hair can be like curly like this, but it can also be straight like that and I was having like really bad hair experiences, like my hair would be like too super frizzy and like stuff, and I was just like, give me, just great, let me do my own hair. So I learned how to do my own hair, like everything, if it was dying, if it was cutting it, everything before I even went to cosmetology school. That bathroom was my cosmetology school that I had and and so that's kind of how I got started.

Speaker 2: 23:35

Well, my parents thought that I had an interest in it. They were like, oh well, let's borrow some mannequin heads Like, let's let her like do her thing, like this is her way of like her medium of creation. My, my father is in music, so they've, we've always had like a very, um, supportive, creative household. It was never like become a doctor orders. It was like you're gonna probably be doing something in the arts because you're classically trained in music and theater and Instruments, like all this stuff. So I kind of knew I would like fall into like some realm of creativity. Um, I didn't know it could be a professional career until I saw like the mac girls, of course. And then after seeing the mac girls I was like, okay, I want to be a mac girl and I just kept auditioning, auditioning, never got it, which is okay because I was spicy, I know, like amazing makeup artists that kept trying to get.

Speaker 2: 24:22

But it's okay because now I have like a relationship, like a pr relationship with them and sponsorship.

Speaker 1: 24:27

I'm like I got look at that.

Speaker 2: 24:28

I've like done like, they've invited me to like view their new collections and stuff like that. So it's cool because it's like now it's like full circle. But I was actually doing music with my sisters and they were like hey, um, we are, there, are professional dancers at the time, they've danced for everyone. Beyonce, rihanna, all the people trace songs, like all these people Lady Gaga, can go on forever. They have amazing resumes. But they were like, girl, you're at our age that we started to like do what we do professionally, use your older. Yeah, and they were raising me. I was living with them here in LA and they were like you need to like have something for yourself. You're really good at makeup. Let's take you on set. You should be a production makeup artist.

Speaker 2: 25:08

So they kind of made a decision for me that I was gonna do professionally. My sister took me on set with her and, um, she introduced me to the makeup artist. She was like, yeah, she's looking for To be able to assist somebody and you need to get her number and like whatever. So I got the, the ladies number, the, the makeup artist. I didn't work with her for five years later, but her first call to me. She's like um, I have a gig and I need an assistant. It's today, at this point, I didn't have a kid. I literally had just decided I was gonna be a makeup artist. So I was like I can't come today, like I can't. And she was like um, if you keep rejecting like kind of opportunities I'm giving you that I'm not gonna call you, so like you need to get ready. And that was that, and it's been a wrap like ever since.

Speaker 1: 25:55

I'm sure you wake up that kid real quick, I sure did.

Speaker 2: 25:57

I was like going to going to freaking CVS and whatever I could and like getting whatever I could together, just to like go. You know, I've even been a farm just taking brushes or whatever, and I just I worked under her for five years and then after that I started building my own clientele and Now sometimes I see her on jobs.

Speaker 1: 26:15

Like hey, thank you though, hi.

Speaker 2: 26:18

And um.

Speaker 1: 26:18

Nadia, how did your brand become about beauty and style? Oh, great things and the wait. What do you say?

Speaker 3: 26:26

Music, beauty and style random shit you're talking about.

Speaker 1: 26:29

Yes, yes, yes, I said that. You said I love it. It's the brand's the shit you want to know about.

Speaker 2: 26:36

I'm gonna show you what I know about us. That's the part um, let's see.

Speaker 3: 26:43

I don't really remember how it got started. I'm pretty sure my sister helped me come up with chat worthy and over the years, I've. So I work in marketing and I have always worked with influencers, managing them, running influencer events for brands, and I really just fell in love with Creating.

Speaker 3: 27:07

I've been doing youtube videos since 2012 so, like, I love production, I love creators, and there's no space for them to Sort of show their talents outside of their own platforms and I think it's really hard as a creative To get opportunities one and two Venture out beyond just your instagram account, right? So I love showcasing what is different and what is unique and what is Something you've never, ever tried before. And, like, chat worthy is where you're gonna get the those creators who are creating those amazing looks. And it's just as simple as, like, I do my own makeup most of the time, unless I'm going to an event, but, like I worked with Um crazy kid he's a makeup maven, I love him and he literally taught me to put color, just like In the middle of my. I don't even know what these are. What is it?

Speaker 1: 28:15

The inner corners.

Speaker 3: 28:19

But like it's, it's literally little things like that where it's like really Amazing beauty on the go, but then also trying intricate things, and there's so much you can do, especially as a black woman. I am always changing, see, I see.

Speaker 1: 28:38

I am afraid of makeup like I like a natural beat. You know I do my makeup myself. I have the same look. The only thing that typically changes is my lipstick and it depends on what I'm wearing.

Speaker 3: 28:50

It's to be honest, like.

Speaker 1: 28:51

I like my look, like I've never been big on eyeshadows or whatever, like even when I do get my makeup. Then I said, no, just give me like a soft glam, like I'm actually terrified of eyeshadows.

Speaker 3: 29:01

You're terrified of eyeshadows.

Speaker 1: 29:03

I am because I don't think it looks good on me, like I even know it, like somebody can like beat like some, even Something like I've had my face beat, like I mean, I'm a singer, you know I've died, it done. It's not. Look at myself, I'm like Okay but like. I personally am not a fan of it, but I, I'm, I'm with you. I'm with you on that. Like people that can, especially like, do you watch them the next up? I think it's called the next up the makeup Um, competition.

Speaker 2: 29:29

I know I should.

Speaker 1: 29:31

That's one of my favorite shows.

Speaker 2: 29:33

Oh, it's something up. I can't remember the next up.

Speaker 1: 29:37

Maybe I should have researched that, but I didn't know. I was gonna talk about it, but anyway it's a British foundation.

Speaker 2: 29:40

I love that lady with the magnifying glass.

Speaker 1: 29:41

She's right, she's like.

Speaker 2: 29:46

I've never seen that and that scared me to. It shook my boots. I'm like watching the show like I'm not even on it. She just scares me.

Speaker 1: 29:54

She just makes me clutch my pearls, no, so so we're talking about makeup, we talked about hair. My favorite thing, my thing, though, that I'm really adamant, and very, super adamant about, is skincare.

Speaker 1: 30:07

Like I am a serum, a moisturizer, a scrub, a mask, queen Like I don't play Like I'll be at home and my man's in the bed or whatever. He said what do you do? I said he's like can you come out? He's got the shower. I was like, first of all, I'm on step two. I was like I have to wait until my serum dries. I can't just put my moisturizer on Like he thinks I'm a crazy person.

Speaker 1: 30:29

But like skincare is very big for me, like even like my body's skincare, like I have body scrubs and all that. Like, how does that go hand in hand with you guys? Are you guys like okay, are you guys?

Speaker 2: 30:39

like I'll be with it.

Speaker 3: 30:41

I love the acne preventing stuff, but for me it's more of a relaxation thing, like I go to the Korean sauna a lot, and so that's usually when I do like most of my stuff, or if I'm stressed like under eye mask, face mask, mud mask like I'm a mask person All the

Speaker 2: 31:01

mask and mask and all the mask.

Speaker 3: 31:02

The serums and stuff. I don't really get too much in my cause it takes too long.

Speaker 2: 31:07

So serums pull anything that you're putting on before or after your serum deeper, so it actually makes your products absorb better. And then you can also use serums to like for any preventative measure. It could be anti-aging, it could be hyaluronic acid, if you need it. Yeah, it could be whatever, but you'll usually find that in your serums and obviously your exfoliants. But yeah, there's.

Speaker 3: 31:32

I do exfoliate, I love exfoliants. I'm telling you, and if these?

Speaker 1: 31:36

vitamin C serums too like girl, just get into the serum. I used to have this like this lip scrub. There was this vitamin C lip scrub.

Speaker 3: 31:43

Okay, it was great.

Speaker 1: 31:45

My favorite brand right now, though, is ordinary, the ordinary.

Speaker 3: 31:47

Yeah, you do. I do love the ordinary stuff.

Speaker 2: 31:49

They're so good. So there's this product that I want to try by them. That's like supposed to be really great for hyperpigmentation, and people have been telling me it's like a red step. It's like that peel, it's the best I used that.

Speaker 3: 31:59

I used that. It's the best that gets you right.

Speaker 1: 32:02

It is amazing, it's literally like first of all, you can't leave it on more than 10 minutes, Like it literally burns, it burns.

Speaker 3: 32:08

No, it doesn't. It burns. It doesn't burn burn, it doesn't burn burn. I'm not trying to burn, it's a little tingly.

Speaker 1: 32:16

But they tell you don't keep it on for more than 10 minutes. But when I tell you you, wipe it off, your face is like high.

Speaker 3: 32:22

Yeah, really Okay, bye.

Speaker 1: 32:25

And what I like about their products is that they're like. They're like natural, but they're like scientific at the center. They're definitely like putting the two and two together. But also, too, they have very well paired of what you need for what like. It's not like an extensive brand.

Speaker 2: 32:38

Like it's not an extensive brand. Yeah, I've seen like they're affordable. Yeah, it's super affordable. I've seen their brand. I think I just like and I get so many like PR stuff and like things I don't even I'll tell you now get the ordinary, I'm going to get this peel.

Speaker 1: 32:51

Yeah, sure, the peel is good. Their eye serum is good.

Speaker 2: 32:54

Okay, the eye serum that I'm like really loving right now.

Speaker 1: 32:58

So I'm going to, I mean, keep your eyes on, but that peel is dope, okay, Wait wait, wait.

Speaker 3: 33:02

You need to try its Aztec like powder.

Speaker 2: 33:06

Oh yeah, the Aztec powder mask Apple cider vinegar.

Speaker 1: 33:09

Yes.

Speaker 2: 33:09

Yes, good.

Speaker 1: 33:10

You can do that with your hair and face.

Speaker 2: 33:11

You can literally like put the On your hair, on your hair.

Speaker 1: 33:13

Yes, it's the whole thing. You can put it on your neck all the way through your hair, and then you wash it off.

Speaker 2: 33:18

It's great for it, I love it. I'm not with my man.

Speaker 3: 33:20

Because, he's going to come in like definitely don't do it in front of your man, definitely don't do it in front of my man. Well, your man is loud, we'll do it together.

Speaker 1: 33:27

Right now he is loud.

Speaker 3: 33:28

He's right there with you. He's like do I need to do this to you? You guys have the right hair Actually, my man has the right hair and the crazy they're like I know they're in that house wowing out.

Speaker 1: 33:37

He'll see stuff and he'll be like do I need to do it Look?

Speaker 3: 33:40

I'm here for a man that cares about skincare Like right He'll do it Okay okay, so, okay.

Speaker 1: 33:47

so I'm going to pose this in two questions. The first question is what is the one thing that, if it isn't right, will make you feel ugly? Cause we definitely all have one.

Speaker 3: 33:58

Okay. So, makeup and foundation color I. This is like makeup artists need to understand color matching especially new makeup artists.

Speaker 3: 34:16

There are so many different shades of brown and a lot of the times it comes out ashy and powdery and ghostly if you don't know what you're doing, and like I'm the kind of person that's if I'm getting my beat to do an interview or whatever. So like I'm just going to be like whatever. I don't have time to take it all off and start over, so but like that's one thing that I'm like Do you ever bring your foundation? Yeah, do you bring?

Speaker 2: 34:43

your foundation.

Speaker 1: 34:44

Well, now I do You're like? At this point, I'm bringing my foundation At this point. That's what you're not going to do is mess me up. Yeah, now I do. Okay, well, you need to call me I really do, because I can't have that.

Speaker 3: 34:56

Yeah, I can't have that.

Speaker 2: 34:58

Because you have every color in the key. We keep every color. For me, I feel like if I'm having like a bad skin day, like I, just nothing's going to sit right, like my makeup isn't going to be what I want it to be, I'm going to have to figure out some type of hairstyle to half cover whatever's going on. I have eczema on the side of my face, so sometimes my skin I'll have like eczema flare ups if it's super hot outside or if my allergies are acting up, just like whatever. So I hate that. Yeah, I just can't.

Speaker 1: 35:30

Mine is my hair Like I'm obsessed with my hair has to be done. I don't care if I'm going to the gym, I don't care if it's in a fro. It has a little bow on it and I know I get that from my grandmother. My grandmother, she did not play about her person, girl. I told y'all that before she did not play, she was raining outside, she had the rain cap. She did not play.

Speaker 1: 35:50

And it was always a thing, like you know. One thing about being a woman and like girly and feminine, was make sure your hair is done.

Speaker 3: 35:57

Make sure your hair is done that has always stuck with me.

Speaker 1: 36:00

That's how I like you'll see me. We just started our buddy relationship, but Nadi has seen me in a million hair style. I love that she's seen me in a million hair style and you will see me in a million, ok. Like you'll see me in a million that will make me like my hair is I don't care if my nails are done, I don't care. All of that can go.

Speaker 1: 36:18

My hair is not done it stresses me out, like I literally plan what I'm going to do around when I can do my hair, like if I got braids in, I'm like OK, I got this coming up. This is when I got to take them out to do this.

Speaker 1: 36:29

Like it's a thing, like I get anxiety around it. So that's my one thing, ok, all right. So the next question would be what are some things that make you feel good about yourself, like when you know you put these on, are you wear this or how you wear it?

Speaker 2: 36:41

My lashes and my outfit. Ooh, that's good Like when my lashes look bomb, and then also when I'm like I really just love my look, like my outfit, I just know Like they might be able to beat me, like Rihanna says, they might be able to beat me, but they can't be my outfit.

Speaker 3: 36:56

Not be my outfit, ok, ok. Ok, mine is probably my hair. Yeah, if my hair is done, I know like whatever I put on at that point is going to be fine, you know.

Speaker 1: 37:13

OK, I would say again my hair again as you guys know I was obsessed with my hair.

Speaker 1: 37:18

But a good pair of shoes, ok, a good pair of shoes. I got a good pair of shoes. I'm a shoe girl, but not even like necessarily heels, like just cool shoes, like I don't really the only thing I don't really wear are sneakers, like I have like a few pairs, but like I like a cool flat, like a high top, I love a boot, like it's the shoe, like shoes. My shoes are usually my accessory most of the time. Ok, I use my shoes as my accessory, so that would be my thing. All right, so I'd like to play a little game before we wrap up here. Ok, let's do it, and you?

Speaker 1: 37:46

know some this or that, and you know we're in the beauty realm and how we're making you know, you make yourself feel good and people around you. So we're going to go for it, ok, ok, all right. I'm going to ask you guys some questions. Is this or that? You can choose to say both, if you want to, or you can say that one or that one. Ok, makeup or fresh face?

Speaker 3: 38:05

Makeup.

Speaker 1: 38:08

I mean, look at that, I'm looking around Fresh face.

Speaker 2: 38:17

I was struggling there Because I'm a makeup artist. I like light, I like a light beat.

Speaker 1: 38:23

I don't need a full beat but a light beat. I have a chicken pox card that I need in the cover. I hate it. I do it's like right here. Girl it's probably the smallest thing. No, it's actually very deep. I just do a good job at concealing it. Okay, skirts are pants.

Speaker 3: 38:40

Pants, skirts.

Speaker 2: 38:44

Long skirts, so like maxis.

Speaker 1: 38:45

I like skirts.

Speaker 2: 38:46

I'm a skirt, I'm a skirt, I don't like short, short skirts, like mini skirts, like I can't do because the booty will fall out.

Speaker 3: 38:53

I like those for like pictures.

Speaker 2: 38:55

Yes, it'll be like a cute Y2K picture, but after that she's coming down.

Speaker 3: 39:00

I just have a whole video on how to sit in a mini skirt.

Speaker 1: 39:07

Dresses are a jumpsuit Dress.

Speaker 3: 39:11

It depends on what's the vibe. I mean, I am wearing a jumpsuit.

Speaker 2: 39:14

I like a jumpsuit, because I don't like. She loves a dress.

Speaker 1: 39:17

I don't like to think about my outfit so typically if you give me a two piece or one piece and I can sacrifice it. I mean, I like the jumpsuit, you know why I feel like the jumpsuit depending on like on your bloating days or not bloating days. When you have a dress on it doesn't quite sense you together as a jumpsuit does.

Speaker 2: 39:36

Yeah, like this, yeah like you need that tie sometimes you know like period times, you know, like a dress it'll show all out.

Speaker 3: 39:44

You know what I mean. I think jumpsuits are like day to night. Right, I don't know. I wear my dress. Okay, here I think I like where I'm really girly.

Speaker 1: 39:54

Lipstick or lip gloss Gloss.

Speaker 3: 39:57

Gloss.

Speaker 1: 40:01

It's the toy.

Speaker 3: 40:03

Wait, wait, wait, wait. Lip gloss or lip stain Gloss Okay, I don't like lip stain.

Speaker 2: 40:11

I also just don't like the stain idea. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 40:14

I like the matte here, depending on what I need to get done, like when I'm performing and I'm singing.

Speaker 2: 40:19

I rather have a matte, because other products are all over my but stain is like they're hard to get off and then like what if I like? Sometimes I decide after I leave the house, like no, I bring a couple, yeah, I bring a couple lipsticks with me, so I'm like no, not a stain cuz then I can't change it Okay, straight or curly hair Straight. I say curly, I do like my curly hair.

Speaker 1: 40:47

I love my. I mean my hair is curly right now I like a good curl. I like and I love to see one of my favorite things and it happens in my hair and I'm not just saying it cuz it happens in my hair. I love a good ponytail and you can see that little wave, the wave.

Speaker 2: 41:00

Yeah, it is so. That's why I like how my hair is, like I just had to leave it in a mask this morning.

Speaker 1: 41:06

But yeah, I don't know it's that it's that little wave there and not a set, because you definitely want to slick, like yeah slick pointy. So what is always that little? You could tell like it's somebody's hair pattern, but they're here, and they're using that little wave. Okay, perfume are body oils.

Speaker 3: 41:22

I've never really used body oils. I love body oils, I love a good body oil because also, and they last longer.

Speaker 1: 41:28

Yeah, they last longer. And then they make you look all glistening Is glistening.

Speaker 3: 41:31

No, I use body oils for like lotion now, but not as like a perfume, like it's like. I love the scent I use body oil lotion and and perfume, all of them.

Speaker 2: 41:41

So I'm gonna say both of them I want both of them.

Speaker 1: 41:43

Okay, lotion are body butter.

Speaker 2: 41:46

Body butter, hey, body butter.

Speaker 1: 41:49

That is our game on this. Here it is. How are you gonna answer that question? Well, ladies, thank y'all so much for coming on the show. Thanks for having me, I think in my show, I always like to leave a message, whether it's to your viewers or to your inner child, and I'd like to pose a question. If you had to tell your child, or your inner child, or your younger self about how to accept yourself in their beauty standards and their own beauty standards, what would you say to?

Speaker 3: 42:15

them. There's nobody like you. Nobody Trust yourself like. Look at yourself and remind yourself of all the amazing things that you are like. That's what I would say.

Speaker 1: 42:29

Yes, oh, that was so mean of me. Oh, my gosh.

Speaker 2: 42:34

I'm not going to. I would say you're beautiful. Don't think about what people think of you. Don't live your life based on that. Don't live your life based on anyone else's actions or words or what people think you should do. Trust your instinct. You were born with a gift. Use it.

Speaker 1: 42:54

Alright, guys. So there you have it again. Thank you, nadia, thank you, bobby, for showing up, and if you guys had any questions about what we talked about today, or if you can relate to anything that we talked about today, please don't hesitate to. Like you know, give us some feedback, talk to us, start up the conversation, email it us if it's a topic you want to hear. You have any questions for these ladies, specifically about any of their businesses or how they go through life? Are you related to one of them? Feel free to reach out to them as well. Their information will be in this post like subscribe, share. That's it. That's all. That's all.

Speaker 1: 43:28

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