2Cups Café
2 Cups Café - Episode 18 - Calvin Daniels
Imagine stepping away from your familiar life and embarking on an international adventure that leads to retiring in the tranquility of Ghana, only to find yourself at the helm of an innovative snail farming business. We had the pleasure of hosting Calvin Daniels at Two Cups Cafe, a Scott High School graduate, retired Air Force Master Sergeant, and the entrepreneurial spirit behind this bold move. Calvin's narrative weaves through personal loss, a distinguished military career, and insights garnered from touring the globe, culminating in the decision to settle overseas for a life less ordinary.
Calvin's story is one of resilience, from escaping the factory life that defined his parents' existence in Ohio, to navigating post-military careers in logistics and material management, and ultimately finding his calling in agriculture. His unexpected journey into snail farming unfolds as a testament to the power of connecting with one's heritage and seizing economic promise in a foreign land. Calvin's candid conversation about the nitty-gritty of starting a farm in Ghana, from land acquisition to crop cultivation and the cultural shifts required, serves as an invaluable playbook for anyone curious about the practicalities and potential of agricultural ventures abroad.
But this episode isn't just about farming; it's a broader exploration of life's possibilities when you're open to opportunity and change. Calvin discusses his future business plans, including the unique role of snail mucin in skincare, and how he navigates the challenges and opportunities of running an agricultural enterprise in Ghana. Whether you're a veteran, an adventurer, or someone who dreams of turning the page to start a new chapter, Calvin's story might just spark the inspiration you need to take that leap. Join us at Two Cups Cafe for this rich tapestry of experiences that connect Toledo to Ghana and everything in between.
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Imagine stepping away from your familiar life and embarking on an international adventure that leads to retiring in the tranquility of Ghana, only to find yourself at the helm of an innovative snail farming business. We had the pleasure of hosting Calvin Daniels at Two Cups Cafe, a Scott High School graduate, retired Air Force Master Sergeant, and the entrepreneurial spirit behind this bold move. Calvin's narrative weaves through personal loss, a distinguished military career, and insights garnered from touring the globe, culminating in the decision to settle overseas for a life less ordinary.
Calvin's story is one of resilience, from escaping the factory life that defined his parents' existence in Ohio, to navigating post-military careers in logistics and material management, and ultimately finding his calling in agriculture. His unexpected journey into snail farming unfolds as a testament to the power of connecting with one's heritage and seizing economic promise in a foreign land. Calvin's candid conversation about the nitty-gritty of starting a farm in Ghana, from land acquisition to crop cultivation and the cultural shifts required, serves as an invaluable playbook for anyone curious about the practicalities and potential of agricultural ventures abroad.
But this episode isn't just about farming; it's a broader exploration of life's possibilities when you're open to opportunity and change. Calvin discusses his future business plans, including the unique role of snail mucin in skincare, and how he navigates the challenges and opportunities of running an agricultural enterprise in Ghana. Whether you're a veteran, an adventurer, or someone who dreams of turning the page to start a new chapter, Calvin's story might just spark the inspiration you need to take that leap. Join us at Two Cups Cafe for this rich tapestry of experiences that connect Toledo to Ghana and everything in between.
Follow Allen C. Jackson - @2cupschronicles
Give me one for the wake up. I'm so grateful for another day to help stimulate the mental time to strategize. I can feel the moment. Talk is cheap. Turn your faith into work. I drink my second cup and put my hands in the dirt. Two cups drinking straight drip from the earth. Pappinated conversations. You heard him here first. One foot to wake up. One foot to wake up. Two foot to work. Pappinated conversations you heard him here first. You heard him here first. Welcome back to Two Cups Cafe, where I'm your host, allison Jackson, aka Two Cups, and who I am coming to for a high quality Caffeinated conversation Today is none other than Calvin Daniels. What's going on, calvin?
Speaker 2:Hey, how you doing. It was great meeting you online Through our Scott Bulldog group. Yes, sir, and you asked questions and I hope that I provided everything you and your family require. Yes, sir, so.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm going to back up a little bit. I mean, you got on that beautiful Bulldog maroon, you know, and so you had put up something on the page, the Bulldog alumni page, that, hey, I'm Calvin Daniels, I'm in of 77, retired military and I've retired over in Ghana and I'm doing big things. And you posted a YouTube video, man, and from there it was like you know, I started following you and listening to your interviews and just learning about the things you got going on over there. But, man, tell me about coming from Toledo and deciding to go to the military and then fast forward.
Speaker 2:Okay, I'm the seventh child. I had a twin sister here and she was murdered here in Toledo and I knew from age probably five or six that I was going to join the Air Force. I had my uncle. What drew me there? I had Uncle Malcolm Mitchell. He had Skippy's Carryout by Scott High School and he had a picture on his TV of him in an Air Force uniform. And from day one I mean five or six I was like oh, I'm going to join the Air Force and that was my plan.
Speaker 2:That's why I did okay in high school, but I knew I didn't want to go to college. And when I enlisted in the Air Force daylight enlistment as a sophomore, you know and I knew, hey, I was going. I tried to get my buddies to go but they didn't want to leave Toledo and this and that, and subsequently I joined the Air Force and traveled around the world and I got promoted In the Air Force. If you study, you can get promoted. And I made E-7 Master Sergeant early, like 12 years. That was like three years before the norm. And, like I said, I traveled to Panama, philippines yeah, guam Portugal, uk, germany and on and on you know, he was able to get a worldwide global view early on in life and I realized then that when I retire I was gonna move out of the United States.
Speaker 2:I mean't like cold weather so I can never live in Toledo, you know, I love.
Speaker 2:You know I come here because I have family and friends here, but living here for the rest of my life, I couldn't see it. And then the way we are treated and at home, mm-hmm, I don't know whether they I I'm not going to define they want us here. And so looking at how other lifestyles is, even though the United States has all the conveniences we require, but there's other ways of living that can make you comfortable, Like where I'm at in Ghana, in the last eight years they had three mass shootings and that was two people each time, two or more people making a mass shooting in eight years. I subscribe to this news thing from Toledo. People go get gas in the gas station, get shot nightly. You know it's not like this. Who needs that stress?
Speaker 1:you know. Let me ask you this Like when you were coming up, coming up right about to graduate high school and go to the Air Force, was there any pushback from family or friends Because we weren't too long out of the Vietnam conflict? Were people like you better not go. Did they encourage you?
Speaker 2:My mother was fearful. But every uncle I had on maternal and paternal side were Army, you know military. They did a little stint and got out and I had an uncle who I kind of almost mirrored my life after him. His name was Willie James Mitchell. He was in the Army two years and he was a merchant seaman for 30 or 40 years. So he was in Panama going to canal different side. Time it came he brought us coffee and all this stuff in different places. So I knew I need to travel. You know I can't be just stuck in one place for all my whole life and.
Speaker 2:I, I have friends, family probably never left the state of Ohio, right, you know? And I said that's not me, my vision. Like I said, I discovery, animals, stuff like that, so I knew I need to travel. Excuse me, yes, sir.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so you got out of here. What made you decide to make it a career? I know a lot of guys even I went to school with. They might do two years and then go to reserves, or they might do their four years, come back, or what made you decide to make it a career?
Speaker 2:I had a fear of working in a factory. I mean my mom, retired from my Chevy, my father, retired from Chrysler, all my friends cheat you know I mean graduate my school go get that job at Jeep.
Speaker 2:I worked there for 15 years and my mom used to come home with a little. She did put a little widget in the transmission for eight, nine, ten hours a day and I'm like, oh my goodness, I can't do that, you know. And I said what can I do? You know, I didn't want to go back to school, even though I went to classes in the military, but that's not something I wanted to do. And I said the Air Force. They said, hey, you study these books, you control your own pay raise.
Speaker 2:And then the travel. I went to Panama when I was 19 years old. I was a kid in a candy store. We'll leave that in another conversation.
Speaker 1:Yes, sir, oh man, so let'll leave that in another conversation. Yes, sir, oh man, so let's fast forward a little bit. You did your career in the military, then you went on to do some government work.
Speaker 2:Yes, I was a GS-11. Let me back up. When I first retired, I took the early retirement. Clinton came up with a 15-year retirement and so I had promoted and I said I was done. When I was in the Air Force I wrote an article. Air Force Times has a magazine that goes worldwide and I wrote an article in the Air Force Times. Racism in the Military it's still prevalent to this day.
Speaker 2:And I wrote this article in 1994. Day and I wrote this article in 1994 and it's just like if, if, if a white airman got in trouble, they may back on a ham, send him back to work, but he was a minority, they would demote him or discharge him, and you, you see it. It was overt but yet covert because we see it. So it's a reality. And I wrote an article and then I put in there President Clinton, thank you for the 15-year retirement. I had had enough. And when I got out at first I worked at a federal correction. I was a federal correction officer in a prison in Bashrop, texas.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:And I worked there for 93 days. I quit before I got another job, so you couldn't do it. I can't be. It was easy. I can't be locked up. Yeah, you know, when you go in that prison, you're locked up for 8, 12, or double shift, 16 hours, and it was like I can't do this, I can't do jail. I heard that that's why people be doing stuff and get locked up. Oh no, For sure.
Speaker 2:And then I got out and then I worked. I was in Austin, texas. I worked for Dell Computer. I was a materials manager for Dell Applied material. They make microchips. I was a material manager for them. Then I moved there to Dallas. My thing I was in logistics. I was a material manager for Flextronics. Then the opportunity to join the federal government came about. I initially worked part-time as an IRS agent and they wanted to hire me full-time. I said no, it was like a low position. I said if I came in full-time as a GS-6 or something, I'd be stuck there until I go promotion. But I know, based on my qualification, I can come in as a GS-11 or GS-12. So I'm applying for positions like 300 of them. When you apply for a federal job you got to apply, apply and I came on directly as a GS-11 and I stayed there long enough to retire.
Speaker 2:So I mean multiple streams of income through retirement is tremendous.
Speaker 1:So when you were doing logistics and material management, what kind of skills that you had to have for that, like as far as task managing or project managing?
Speaker 2:As a project manager. One thing I was a little bit above ahead of some of my temporary. As far as computer skills. I knew Excel, okay you know, and I forgot what we used to call it years ago. It was similar to Excel, but I knew that because to this day I do a budget.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:I can tell you basically in my personal budget what I should have in my checking account a year from now. Wow, and I tell everybody, young, everybody do a budget.
Speaker 2:I don't make enough money. That's when you really need to do a budget. Okay, because I mean everything should have a name on it like entertainment money, bill, money, lunch for your kids. Every penny should have a money, and then you've got to have entertainment, you know, and add an entertainment fund, as people get paid not just young people, I'm going to say people in general get paid on a Friday and by Saturday night they broke. Oh yeah, I don't care how much money they make, they broke. They're waiting for the next payday.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I had a group home, home, you know, of course. You know you had a chance to come up and visit um young men that they get a job and they'll quit it maybe a month later, because they say I don't make any money. I said, no, you making it, but you spending it before you get it. So when you get paid and the money's gone now you feel like there's no sense to me working. I don't have anything.
Speaker 2:Financial literacy. Why don't we, as black people, we don't promote that Kids get 18, they're clueless, like on my farm in Ghana, I have 14 full-time employees. In order to work for me, it's mandatory you have a checking account, mandatory. If not, you can't work for me. And there's employees in their 30s and 40s and never had a bank account, but they do now.
Speaker 2:Now they're like wow, I'm so glad I do that, because if you put money in your hand, the tendency is to spend it. It's just the mentality we have you just keep pulling it out until it's gone. That's what I did. I'm not there just to line my pockets with money. I want to give back as well. Like I said, I want to build an agricultural school over there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, for sure so let's back up just a little bit and talk about okay, now you're getting to retire, how long will you retire before you decide. You know I'm getting out of here.
Speaker 2:How long will you retire before you decide? You know I'm getting out of here. What drew me I?
Speaker 2:retired from the federal government early because when again I hate to use that word they elected Trump, I realized that this country is not the country for me and you know, I had to back it up. It's not about all white people, but 50% of more than 50% of them voted for this guy and I like so. When I look at other people, I'm looking at you know. If it's two of them, one of them is probably racist.
Speaker 2:You know, I mean that's my mentality, Somebody proved me wrong. Right places, that's my mentality. Somebody proved me wrong. And for them to go to the bottom of the barrel, dig bust the bottom of the barrel up and go deeper to find this guy. And I don't want to get into politics, but I can't comprehend that. And I'm over there and I have so much peace, I mean there's places in Toledo we can't go at night Right, for sure, for sure, if we are, we stupid, you know.
Speaker 2:Ghana. You know they have petty crime. I'm not saying it's utopia, Right, but it's not, like you know, the inner city's here you know, so tell me so.
Speaker 1:was Ghana your first choice?
Speaker 2:No, Nigeria was Okay. I did the DNA thing. I'm 96% West African per DNA. On ancestry, I'm 46% Nigerian. I said, wait, I'm going to move to Nigeria. When I was stationed in England, I had a group of Nigerian students. They crossed the street. I thought they wanted to fight. They're like are you evil? I'm from Toledo. Ohio.
Speaker 1:I was young, I didn't know what that meant.
Speaker 2:Now I know I knew I looked Nigerian. I worked with some Nigerian engineers in Dallas and they're like don't move to Nigeria unless you're Nigerian because it's dangerous. And they were born and raised in Nigeria. So me and my cousin I've got another DNA cousin named Kelly. She lives in New Jersey and she said well, let's go.
Speaker 2:We want to go visit every country that we share DNA with. So we decided on 2019 to go to Ghana, and I'm going to say I'm non-religious. I went to Ghana and I felt something. I told her within a couple days I'm going to retire. And then when I got back to the United States, I'm 100% disabled with that and all the numbers added up and I said I'm retiring and I was telling all my friends I'm moving to Africa. Everybody was like, yeah, right, you know, I had a duplex, I sold that.
Speaker 2:Sold my vehicles and I divested some of my stocks and packed up and left. You know.
Speaker 1:So initially, when you went there, like, did you go with a business mind and plan?
Speaker 2:No, I came here solely to retire, get a house on the beach and just chill. But then I'm healthy and I said, well, what can I do to stay busy? And there was another guy I met in one of the groups online on Facebook. He said well, you want to do poetry or something like that.
Speaker 2:Poetry, yeah, poetry. And I was like we looked at that and I said that's a labor extension, it's a lot of money with vaccines for chickens and all that. And I said no, I don't want to do that. And we looked at you and then there was a thing on Facebook about a snail festival and I'm like what snails? I never ate a snail in my life at that point. And so I looked at it. I went to the festival and I was sitting up there and there was a lot of West African people there, ghanaians and Nigerians and everybody said we're going to go home and do a little small snail in the backyard, make a little money. I said why don't y'all think bigger than that? Do a mega farm? Why don't 10 of y'all do a mega farm? And one of the guys named Guy said well, you got to be careful. If they're Akon or Guy, they don't work together. They can't tell me, but they can be twins and they will not work together because they're tribal.
Speaker 2:They, they can be, twins and they will not work together because they're tribal. They're tribal there. I said yeah, just like we are here you know, and so I did the planning and I said what can I do? And initially I was going to do Airbnb but I said where the land I bought is not feasible because it's too far from the city and then I looked at the snail and I found that they import 20 tons of snails every year from a neighboring country.
Speaker 1:And then when I looked at this— so the snail, I mean, what do they do with it?
Speaker 2:It's for consumption food and I've eaten. I tell you it's consistently of a lobster, but it takes on the taste of the flavors that you add to it. It is really good and then, like in Jamaica, they have the conch. It's a sea snail. It's similar taste. That's a snail, it's just a ocean, sea snail.
Speaker 2:These are land snails. African land snail gets as big as your fist. Okay, everything about the snail is lucrative. I don't know if you want to go into that now, but it's the eggs, the shell, the meat, and then you can sell the juvenile shells, the snails, to other people as well. So we're thinking I hate to sound corny worldwide domination.
Speaker 1:So tell me this All right, you went to the snail expo, the festival, At that time. Did you have land? Or I had two acres.
Speaker 2:Okay, and then I talked to the. There's so many chiefs there. The chiefs who own the land is the title they have. Okay, and. I said, well, I want to expand. So I bought seven more acres, four more acres. And I said, well, I was worried about somebody putting something next to me that I didn't want, so I'm buying. I bought land all the way next to those Somebody like to the left of me looking at my land, and now I'm going to buy 20 more acres. Okay, because we're going to outgrow that land, yeah.
Speaker 2:You know I see that right now, especially with the potential income coming in it's going to be huge.
Speaker 1:Where did you get your? You got the land. You decide you want to do the snail farm. You decide you want to do other agriculture endeavors. Is this something that you had previous background in, or how did you attract the talent to help you cultivate the land?
Speaker 2:My mom, everybody had a garden in my family. Even when I was in the Air Force, I had Custody and my two nephews. When my sister was killed, we always had a garden, but that's a small scale. Reading and comprehending research, and I realized if I don't know, then I'm going to hire you if you know, and still gaining knowledge. And that's what I did. I have a farm management, extensive farming experience, and so I went from there because, you know, I don't know everything. But now I study and read a lot. If I don't know what I need to gain that knowledge or have a working knowledge where you know I can see if you're doing something wrong or right. You know.
Speaker 2:So, that's what I did so.
Speaker 1:You started like gathering employees, or you had this master plan, and then did you get any help or buy-in from the government or community or the people that's like in control, or did you have to have to go around them? How was that navigating their system?
Speaker 2:Well, I did have a business consultant who gave me some information A lot I have to research on my own there and a couple of my employees. When I got there I'd take Uber everywhere and two of the people who worked for me Uber driver. One Uber driver has a degree he's a biochemist.
Speaker 1:A biochemist Uber driver.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but he can't get a job there. If he was getting a job, it'd be probably 400 CDs. The name of the money is CDs C-E-D-I-S 400 CDs per month, which is about $40 a month. So our dollar is, it's like it can be. It's 10 to 15 to 1, but I rounded it 10. But it can be 15, it can go down to 8, but that's the average. Ghanaian income is $50. A working guy named $50 a month. Yeah.
Speaker 1:I just want to say, like I said, I've watched your YouTubes and I follow you. It had to be like I don't want to say brave, but you had to have some courage. I mean, you built a container home. You had to put what you guys call a borehole. You had to pave the road. Tell me a little bit about this land. It wasn't like you just went out there and started scattering some seeds no, it's a raw land, so we had to have a.
Speaker 2:I have an excel spreadsheet with 35 tabs on it, you know, and I, I tell you, um, as a project manager, you got to plan stuff out, you know, and uh, once I acquired the land and then I said I got to put a road there, and then you know to grow anything you got to have water, you know.
Speaker 2:And then I said I got to put a road there and then you know to grow anything. You got to have water, and then I had to have a structure to live there, Exactly. And then what can we grow to supplement the snail farm? And we're doing habaneros and chili peppers.
Speaker 1:And.
Speaker 2:I'll gladly share. We're doing 12 acres of habaneros Okay, and I want to export it. So we're getting our farm certified, which that should be done in a couple weeks, so we can ship to Europe, Germany, UK and also Canada, and the German government has contacted me. So they're telling me what they need prior to certification, but the habaneros alone should generate. This is $30,000 a week.
Speaker 2:When everything is fully fruity and I'm not counting the lapdangas and chili peppers and the overhead for the company, you know, 14 employees and the temps we have is about $3,200 a month, and that's not cheating, nobody. No.
Speaker 1:I'm paying them three times more than what the average Ghanaian make. Wow, yeah.
Speaker 2:So everything else is half will go operating and expansion and half will go into a pot for investors.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah and have it go in their pot for investors, yeah, so tell me a little bit about like most people, I hadn't even heard of snail nothing except for escargot and I just knew that was something that I didn't want to eat. So tell me about this African snail and all of its benefits and qualities and income streams you can make from it.
Speaker 2:Well, for me, consumption if you research its benefits and qualities and income streams you can make from it. For me, consumption, if you research African land snail is one of the most beneficial proteins you can eat. They actually say for a pregnant woman it has a zinc and vitamin A. It has everything, not everything a lot of the nutrients that a pregnant woman. It benefits pregnant women.
Speaker 1:Like eating prenatal. Yes, it's really healthy.
Speaker 2:And it tastes good too, if we can get out of our mind not to eat certain things. But again, my family eats chitlins. What the heck. How are you going to turn down an African land snail and you're eating pig intestines? I mean, how you gonna turn down an African land snail and you eating, you know, pig intestines, you know. So I mean I eat chitlins too. I'm not breaking, you know you know, and um I'm back my uncle they go bring a turtle home. We cut them up and eat fried.
Speaker 1:You know they squirrel you know raccoon, yeah, well, no, we Raccoon.
Speaker 2:Yeah, bro. Well, no, we don't eat raccoons.
Speaker 1:We eat coons, coons. He said coons yeah.
Speaker 2:So I'm like in Africa. Let me just side All protein is probably in there. They eat the caterpillars from the palm tree. You know grasshoppers. We killed a puff adder. Don't throw that thing away.
Speaker 2:The village. They cook him up Lizards. They don't know Protein, they don't eat it. It's just Western. We're too sweet special to eat. I won't go into that. They eat everything. But one thing about the African land snail is for meat and then snail eggs. African land snail is called white caviar. The eggs are eaten and it's more expensive than sturgeon caviar.
Speaker 1:The sturgeon caviar. That's more.
Speaker 2:That's the big defeat, because you can get a female sturgeon caviar that had 40 pounds of eggs in it, but then after landing you know they have up to 1,000 eggs a year. But one pound of snail egg caviar is $3,000. And so I have a customer, you know, in Europe. I'm meeting them in Italy, milan, you know, around June the 20th. They want to buy snail egg caviar exclusively from my company. Okay.
Speaker 2:And why not? And then the snail shells. It's ground that's what for powders and lipstick. That's what snail shells. It's ground to a powder and it has a term, humectant, in it, which retains water to your skin, your lips and stuff like that. And that's $80 a pound. And then I mentioned the snail slime, dehydrated snail slime. People are frowning when you say you don't even know about snail slime.
Speaker 2:But when I mentioned mucin, hyaluronic acid or filtrate, oh, I've seen that on commercial, that's snail slime you know, and it takes 15 to 20 liquid kgs of snail slime to make 1 kg of dehydrated snail slime. So it's concentrated. And the rehydrated. You can just use water or a carrier oil like Jojoba or something like that, but you can rehydrate it. You can just use water or carrier oil like Jojoba or something like that, but you can rehydrate with water. When you see on these commercials and they say it's 100% snail slime and it's a little one ounce two and it's only $19.
Speaker 2:Okay, no People misunderstand that. It's 100% purity of snail slime but it's not 100% by volume. So that was confusing people. Why does it only cost when it costs $60,000 per kilo? So that's to understand. They got so much minute quantity in there. They know how to. Yeah yeah, but people misunderstand that because that's one thing about the investment. When they see that, they go. I see it on Amazon for $4.
Speaker 2:So I always have to explain that, which I understand, because when I first seen that, I'm like how are they selling this for $60,000 a kilo when I can get it for $4? And then you know, you research and learn.
Speaker 2:And now I tell the person and the light comes on you know and learn. And now I tell the person and the light comes on you know so. And I said the shells eggs, and also we're gonna sell that. We sell for food there in Ghana or export them, the excess stuff you throw away that can be fed to chickens no farm, I want to go to zero waste.
Speaker 2:If I could find somebody who would, we have plastic. I don't have a secondary use for plastic, but if I can donate to somebody who reutilizes it, I would do that. Zero waste is the key.
Speaker 1:Okay, so tell me about, let me jump around just a little bit. So you've got this, you go to Ghana, you've got this light bulb that comes on and you're able to see all the potential, and then you have, like you say, a biochemist that's driving an Uber. Is it that agriculture is frowned upon upon, or does that seem like it's lower class and everybody wants to do something else?
Speaker 2:A lot of the young Ghanaians don't realize the amount of income you can get for agriculture. They look down on farmers as dirty poor beneath them. I spoke at a high school in Ghana. It's probably been about two years now. I can tell I had their attention when I tell them one acre of cabbage there in Ghana you can make more money than school teachers and doctors there on one acre because you can get four to five harvests in one year there, because you can harvest year-round and you can put up to 19,000 heads of cabbage per acre.
Speaker 2:And if you just use dollars $19,000, that's almost $100,000, or that's almost a million CDs, basically. And they realize, wow, look at this money. They didn't realize. They thought that you know like. And they realized, wow, look at this money. They didn't realize. They thought that you know like a farmer. We have computers, we have IT, we have to do marketing. There's more than just putting seeds in the ground and walk away. And then you've got to have some type of medical knowledge not medical knowledge as far as formulating fertilizer, weedicide, fungicide. You can't just spray the stuff on there and walk away. So there's more than just putting seeds in the ground and wait to harvest your money.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I remember, tell me about the land, like the fertility of the land, because I know you said you could just spit a watermelon seed. Next thing you know and start growing.
Speaker 2:The land is fertile but different plants have unique requirements. Okay, I even did a breakdown on a spreadsheet that the manure from cows, pigs, chickens, goats, chickens, goats, and you can compare. They all have certain properties to them. As far as peppers, peppers require iron. All of them have all the other nutrients but they lack. Only pig manure have iron at a minute quantity. We had to get our other places. So a lot of farmers they think growing peppers and they just get the cow manure and oh, you know, the first year is okay, the second year they can't grow anything.
Speaker 2:So they don't realize that the food requirement for different pepper, different plant vegetables are unique. We grew cantaloupe. Most Ghanaians never had a cantaloupe. We sold like 300. They were like gone. And now we're going to keep a small quantity of cantaloupes because the grocery store chain we want all your cantaloupes. Yellow melons we have the honeydews. They love the honeydew.
Speaker 2:And so as we expand by another 10 acres, we may if the markets say, hey, we need 10 acres of cantaloupe and it will do that. And then we plant sunflowers throughout the farm to bring pollinators in. I'm even thinking about doing a couple of beehives. Wow, Not for commercial but pollinate.
Speaker 1:Tell me about. I was doing a little research and then we spoke a little bit about it offline, about tomatoes. Even like tomatoes, there's just so many different crops over there that they import.
Speaker 2:It's mind-boggling, it makes you angry. Ghana imports $400 million plus every year of tomatoes from Burkina Faso. This is like for our company. In maybe a year or two we're going to buy more land do greenhouse tomatoes, because if we can get 25% of that business, that's $100 million by anybody math. And it's amazing. They import tomatoes and then they export tomatoes to China and China send the tomato paste back to Ghana and it's like they had a factory there and they closed it down.
Speaker 1:So they export some tomatoes, but then they send it back as tomato paste.
Speaker 2:And a hard so they remain a tomato. I'm like, maybe like again. I'm not intelligent enough to understand this you know, yeah, but it's not just that, it's on and on. I'm like maybe again I'm not intelligent enough to understand this. But it's not just that, it's on and on. Ghana has the biggest gold producer in the world and they own 2% of their gold mines now. So it's on and on. So culture change. I'm sure I can only affect a small percentage but we have to.
Speaker 1:Now I've been seeing online. You know there are a lot of people that moved to Ghana from the UK, from, you know, jamaica from different areas. I know some of them go, not with a business mind but to live, and then I see a lot of them have to return back home. What do you think the biggest pitfall?
Speaker 2:is Not planning correctly and they think, oh, everybody going to Ghana is utopia. And then they move to Ghana and they move to Accra or Kamasi, which is more the modern era, and Accra got million dollar subdivisions. This is a regular rent. This is comparable to Dallas, where I moved from in different areas. The closest to the city you're going to pay more money. When I first got there, I rented a two bedroom, two bath. It was a fourplex. I paid equipment $140 a month. I wasn't in a crowd, though, and I was comfortable. My neighbors, I walked to the market, but a lot of people don't understand that If you were in a crowd, you may still spend a parable or more there.
Speaker 2:They know you're American, we're rich. And compared you're American, we rich. Compared to their income, we are. People move to Accra and they realize they got to take an Uber every day or this and that. Move outside of Accra If you got the funds. I love going to Accra. I go out to eat dinner. I don't go to clubs, but I listen to music. If they have a nice jazz band I might listen, and so opportunities there, but no living there. You might as well stay in the United States, right?
Speaker 1:So tell me about the process of. I remember they had the year of return, but what is? The process of getting Citizenship? Maybe Right, I remember they had the year of return but what is the process of getting?
Speaker 2:citizenship maybe Right, you're allowed to get a visa for 60 days and you get extended, and when you extend it three or four times, then you can get a non-resident Ghana card and then you can get that every year and then you could actually apply for citizenship. Like I own a business, I'm an employee, so I can probably fast track and get a citizenship now.
Speaker 1:How long does it usually take? Like seven years.
Speaker 2:Like five years, you know, but I could you know. I mean, I know government officials and you know, so I can probably get it. You know, the only advantage I see is not having to get an extension every year, because there's no. You know, because I've never renounced my American citizenship, my retirement income would stop you know I'm going to mess with that.
Speaker 2:But a lot of people. I mean America is where the United States is what made me who I am. So I'm not going to denounce America, but I mean I think lifestyle is another country. It may, if you haven't lived outside the United States, you may have a little culture shock. You know, like you know, electric may go out for a day. Okay, you know roads are bad, you know in most places and traffic Somewhere where it take you 10 minutes to go can be two hours, just because of the conditions.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, but as far as fresh food, one thing about when I moved to Ghana May 31st of 2021, I was 366 pounds, okay, and I see a flight of stairs. I'm like oh no. And um, I immediately got there and I started uh, how can I lose weight? You know, I'm not a gym rat and I I looked up and seen this, um, this ad. That's the thing on the internet, on the internet about intermittent fasting. And I follow this guy. I can say his name, but his name is Jason phone. Okay, is American doctor or nutrition whatever. And I started watching the videos like, wow, he's doing these before-and-afters. And uh, I can do that. And I started. I I'll tell you, don't go straight. My schedule is 18-6. Okay.
Speaker 1:That's for 18?
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I have a six-hour window to eat, exactly. But I knew I had to lose weight. And then I started walking up to six miles every other morning and the most I walked was almost nine miles and I was losing I'm not exaggerating three, four pounds a day. You know, I weigh myself in the morning for a walk. Come on and I wait and I was like what you know and I dropped 40 pounds and I think October at the getting there. It was like you know, I was on it.
Speaker 1:You know I was walking almost every day. Then, yeah, I remember you had, um, you said in one of your videos how one of the I don't know if it was an Uber driver or somebody that knew you when you first got- there. A couple months later I was like whoa.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I even went to the doctor. I thought maybe there's something wrong. You know, yeah, you know yeah. I was like you know, and the weight was I was 366 and 344, then 328, then 308, you know, and I hadn't been under 300 since 2000. And then I got to 297. I'm like whoa, look at this, you know. And then it kept going down. I think right now I'm at I stay, I'm between 240 and 250, you know, I'm sure I'm going to gain 10 pounds on this 31 days in the United States.
Speaker 1:But you know.
Speaker 2:I get back there and I get to walking and I want to get down to 220. I'm 65 years old. I feel great. I feel great, man, but I work hard every day. I'm on the computer every day because I have a company to run and that's why I was a little late here. I had to take care of a little business. You know they're in here.
Speaker 1:So yeah, so tell me a little bit about. I know like I got to say like, after this goes, and some of my listeners and viewers gonna see this and they're gonna start looking at, you know, pulling up Ghana, and they're gonna see the the success stories and they're gonna see the horror stories. One of the things that's going to come up a lot is going to be how you have to police and money's got to be given here or you can't get nothing done unless you give somebody some money.
Speaker 2:That is a fact. It's the scam culture, the police officers, I learned I don't pay them nothing.
Speaker 1:That's their job.
Speaker 2:But if you want something done in a hurry, you may have to pay 200 CDs, that's $20.
Speaker 1:And one thing that keeps coming up is the Ghanaian time. I'll be there tomorrow at 10 AM. It's not going to be 10 AM.
Speaker 2:My employees know I don't play that you will get fired. You know we call it something else. I won't say that, but they take it to the 10th degree. You know you have an appointment at 1 o'clock it may be 2 or 3, and then they pop up. Nothing wrong. They don't do that with me as an Uber driver. I drive also. We have a company car. But if I go to a car I hire a driver, I say, look, if you both pick me at 1 o'clock, I need you here at 1 o'clock.
Speaker 2:At 1 o'clock, you should be waiting for me. I fired a driver, a couple of them. You can't come on time. No, I'm sorry. No, no, I can't use you Because if I have an appointment. I expect to be there on time. You know, and I normally leave. You know, if I go to a car, I give a two-hour window because you never know if the traffic could be backed up. You know.
Speaker 1:And you come from a culture with the military like everything got to be on time. You get discharged. You're late, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2:So you know God of Time is something else, and they know I mean my employees know I don't play that God of Time you know, if we had to start work at 6, you'd be there at 6, you know.
Speaker 1:So tell me a little bit about the weather, man, because I've never been to Africa. I'm coming soon. I've never been to Africa, I'm coming soon. Since I met you, man, you've been a resource for me, I mean educationally, I mean just opened up my mind to some different things and just opportunities that I've seen over there just from talking with you. Just tell me what to expect when I get there.
Speaker 2:The weather is two seasons dry and wet, rainy season and the dry season. I tell people my preference come in the rainy season. I mean it doesn't rain every day, but in the dry season they call it a hamaton, where it's dry and dusty, I mean you can take a shower, wash your face, walk outside for five minutes to come in.
Speaker 2:I prefer the heat because it's all air conditioning. If you can adjust to the heat it doesn't get like Arizona hot. I mean. The top temperature I personally even got is maybe 98. But normally 75 to 85, you know, even dry in a rainy season. So it's adjustable, you know. I mean you know it's great, you know. So no weather issues for me, okay.
Speaker 1:That's awesome. So, like this is Two Cups. Cafe man, I always say like two cups, like like one for the wake, one for the work. The first cup is one for the wake. It's like what's inspiring you, what you're dreaming about, what gets you going. And the second one is the second cup is for the work. Like what are you working on, what's your upcoming? Like, what steps are you putting in place to get it done? So, if steps are you putting in place to get it done, so if you could just tell me a little bit about one for the wake, one for the work.
Speaker 2:Well, the income, the farm, like I said, we have 38 acres and growing. Okay, the cliche, multiple streams of income, that's our business model. Okay, with the snails is one thing and the peppers is something else. And then we're growing other stuff as well, and then we're doing like the chili peppers that you chili flakes, you put on pizza, whatever. Yeah, we're buying an industrial hydrator.
Speaker 1:Okay, and from China Producing them, and so we can Manufacturing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we can dry the peppers, the chili peppers, and put them in bags. So when the market is low, we can store them and we can sell them. So that's huge. We're going to export them as well. We already got a customer. They require 10 tons a year. They reached out to me. I said well, when I get back, we're going to have this hydrator, Dehydrator. I'm sorry and that's it, but I told you about the snail, all the products, snail eggs. I'm going to Milan, Italy, and like we're going to do cassava as well, Cassava.
Speaker 1:So I remember you were telling me about cassava, like we do potatoes, they do cassava.
Speaker 2:They do cassava for their starch and carbohydrates and that's huge. One acre of cassava can generate about 30 tons an acre and that generates at least $20,000 per acre. And we're going to lease roughly about 600 acres for just cassava. But we're not going to start growing until I contact the top 10 cassava buyers and I want to meet with them and say, hey, we want to grow cassava for you. Let me know what kind of cassava, because there's different types of cassava buyers.
Speaker 2:And I want to meet with them and say, hey, we want to grow cassava for you. Let me know what kind of cassava, because there's different types of cassava, you know, and what kind of cassava you need, and if you sign a contract or not a contract, a letter of intent to buy from us, we will grow your type of cassava and give you a discount based on that.
Speaker 2:You know, because, of course, of course, we got to make money, but we won't. You know, if, say, instead of instead of 7 000, we'll charge you 5.5 you know something like that.
Speaker 1:So I like, I like the way you said that, because a lot of times we see, like, like, say some we know somebody's making money in a certain industry and a lot of times, um, entrepreneurs look at, oh, there's opportunity in that, and then we just start doing it before you secure the customers, the customer base, you just got this money out there. So you said you want to research and you want to see exactly what the consumer wants, the customer wants, and then say now we're going to put the resources behind it.
Speaker 2:That's what I did with the habaneros and the chili peppers. I said you know, I'm not going to just like, we're going to grow the. They got this local. It's an eggplant. They call it a garden egg. It's white versus the black fruit that we have vegetable, and I'm like no, it's not viable commercially If we grow it and we make 20 cent on it no, you can grow whatever. Yeah, you know so when I look at the habaneros, if we don't export a habanero, we still would make money from the local. But when?
Speaker 1:we export it.
Speaker 2:You know, there's a country that requires habaneros you know, and the chili peppers. You know, eventually, hopefully, we can. The United States gets a lot of peppers from Mexico, but they have to buy stuff from other countries like Africa and stuff like that. So why not? You know we can ship. We can ship chili peppers or habaneros here too.
Speaker 1:For sure. So who's the biggest? What country is the biggest importer of goods from Ghana, like outside of?
Speaker 2:Ghana, most European countries when I say most, it's collectively, because they can't grow tropical fruit.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:And peppers, even though it's a tropical fruit, peppers require heat, sun, Okay, you know. And peppers, even though it's a tropical fruit, peppers require heat sun Okay.
Speaker 2:And if they have a growing season in Germany, it's what? 90 days, you know, which means that peppers take 120 days to grow, so they have to do a short window. In Ghana you got water. You can plant year-round and I did a pond that holds 400 gallons of water. I had people coming out to visit just to observe what I did for capturing rainwater, and all throughout the mountainside and I'm literally below a mountainside. We dug a trench I had a commercially dug a trench and then streamed the water and it goes to the pond. So every time it rains it replenishes our ponds. So our borehole slash wells will still retain water and we use all the water out there. We got a solar pump and a gas pump so we pump the water so we constantly got water. A lot of farmers in Ghana once the rain stopped, they stopped farming. Wow Us. We got peppers 30k a week, a lot of farmers in.
Speaker 2:Ghana once the rain stopped.
Speaker 1:They stopped farming. They got to stop huh Wow.
Speaker 2:Us. We got peppers $30,000 a week. Get the water.
Speaker 2:Yes sir, yes sir, and that's why I need to buy another 10, 20 acres, because two seasons of peppers we got to put beans, lagoons or something in there. Because we're finished. Then I need to rotate that over. That's why I need more land and once that's done then we'll go back to doing peppers. You know, I like the plan. I mean, it's huge and I that's why I transparent. I want to share my vision so everyone can see what I'm doing and maybe you and your assistant can. Maybe you and your assistant can do a separate company or whatever Y'all can do something like that too.
Speaker 1:I just like the vision and the possibility, and not somebody that's just talking about doing something, but you can actually lay eyes on it. Yeah, see the execution A lot of people get wealthy because they can see what others can't see. But then the ones that come behind it once they get a vision, they may be able to take it further, or they may be having the ability to dream about something else Like no, I know Calvin did it. And no matter your age.
Speaker 1:You started this man in your 60s it's not like you grow up in it or you was raised in it.
Speaker 2:You didn't inherit it.
Speaker 1:This is something that you saw and you seized hold of it, man, and that's inspiring.
Speaker 2:I see something else. When I tell people People's like I can't cook, I hear people say that I'm like can you read? Right? So if you can read, you can cook, you can follow basic instructions. So that stuff, I think, is a cop-out.
Speaker 1:They don't want to cook. You don't got to read. Now you can watch YouTube. Exactly Some of my favorite recipes come from guys online like I.
Speaker 2:like this guy smoking and grilling with AB, so that excuse, you know I can't say I can read and watch YouTube and fly a plane, but I can cook or I can learn about farming. I think everybody knows that plants need nutrients. So research you know, and then we're going to do a small chicken coop because chickens are garbage disposals. They eat everything, everything. People talking about chickens versus pigs I'm like chickens are worse than pigs. They eat everything you know. And then we're going to just for eggs and it's a pig they eat everything and then just for eggs.
Speaker 2:and it's for employees, they can have free eggs.
Speaker 2:At the end of the week. We've got 14 employees. They can split them up and take them home free, but yet any snail. When we start harvesting snails for food, we feed the garbage of the snails to the chickens and I think by next year we'll have over 75,000 snails and, like I say, they get big as your fist. How many structures is that? We'll have 10 structures, okay, and each one will hold a minimum of 7,500 snails. And then we've got to have a structure for a nursery too, because you got to separate the eggs from the adults, because if they need any, even though we feed them calcium, if they got a little egg calcium mechanism, they're going to eat it. So we got to have. So we probably have at least 100,000. So that's more capacity.
Speaker 2:We can't hatch and keep all the eggs. We probably can't sell them all. So that's more capacity. We can't hatch and keep all the eggs. We probably can't sell them all Europe. So at that point we'll use them as protein. We'll use them for to feed chickens we may have more chickens there. Feed it as a chicken feed substitute. Sell that, that's another stream of income.
Speaker 1:Yeah for sure, sure. So you got all this great stuff going on in africa. I hear about the exports to, you know, italy, the uk. Like how can uh people in the us support once you uh support your farm or support what you're doing?
Speaker 2:I mean well one thing I uh I hope whoever watched, watches my YouTube, do subscribe and ask questions. I respond to every question. Okay, but we are selling the snail mucin. Okay, dehydrated, it'll be here in the United States and we want to wholesale it. Okay, but we're going to do a retail line. We're going to do a beard oil, oh yeah, and then we're going to do a retail line. We're going to do a beard oil and then we're going to do a skin lubrication. Right now, kim Kardashian has a snail mucin for the hair product, but that's down the line. But we want to at least say hey, look, this is us, because we can sell this to every demographic who has skin issues or beard, and I met with a fabricator in Los Angeles last week, so I'll be back here in the United States in three or four months.
Speaker 2:We're going to do a line for beard oil. We're going to make sure that it don't have something in it. They have a chemist who makes sure it don't pill your skin. We've got a material safety data sheet, msds, a product Some stuff is proprietary where we don't have to share everything. But we want to make sure it's viable and to sell, because if you buy beard oil at a couple ounces for $30. With this stale mucin it'd be at a higher price point because it's primo and we're not going to do what the major cosmetic companies do, which is put trace amounts. We're going to make sure you've got an active amount of snail mucin in there. We produce it so we can put it in. Yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2:Also, we ain't got to be skimpy on the ingredients, so nobody else will have this at that level because they can't afford it. One ounce of dehydrated snail mucin at the point of $60,000 would be $2,200. If I sell it at $45,000, it would be $1,500. So that's an ounce that's comparable to gold. For sure, yeah, For sure. Man that's awesome to gold for sure, man, that's awesome.
Speaker 1:Before we get out of here, if you got one thing you want to tell, like young or old or whatever man what kind of advice or what kind of nugget you want to leave them with look towards Africa, not just God.
Speaker 2:look towards Africa. There's opportunities for us to help ourselves and help the Africans on the continent. And Western TV still don't do Africa justice. I mean, you keep saying about the amount of killings and stuff. If somebody in a European country, if somebody killed 100 kids, 100 people, the whole world would be in uproar. But the same thing goes on on the continent. You don't hear a whisper, I mean, or be oh, 20 kids was killed in this country, in Africa, that's it. But we. That's why I said I want to sponsor a youth trip next year and because I put Talil Scott Bulldog, I'm going to add that.
Speaker 3:So I want to sponsor a youth trip next year, talil Scott.
Speaker 2:Bulldog. I'm going to add that, but I want to limit it if students want to come, If we can get I don't care 100 kids to come from different high schools, white and black. I don't want to think any other demographic Come there and see what I have saw, because just think why are the major companies in Ghana hiring these people at a living wage? Like call centers. When you get to call somebody for IT or whatever, either from India, philippines why not Ghana? They speak English For sure, For sure.
Speaker 1:So, man, this has been great. Tell me, man, like for my listeners, viewers, what's the name of your farm or how we can follow you.
Speaker 2:Well, here we have two parts of the farm. Okay, here in the United States, shy Hills Mucin Supply Okay, that is the key where our product line will be sold for. Okay, ghana is the manufacturing base. Okay, but the United States and Dallas will be the distribution. Okay, and we did that for various business model, you know.
Speaker 1:For sure.
Speaker 2:And then Shy Hills Agriculture Farm Limited, which I have a YouTube. We got online commercials. Have you seen the commercials? Yes, sir, Right, YouTube, we got online commercials. Have you seen the commercials? Right, and we're going to put out more commercials on the snail eggs and we need to educate everybody. You know every demographic. You know they have certain needs and likes. We're going to want to do that. Snail eggs we already got plenty of peppers and we might do one for the yellow melon or honeydew and the cantaloupe, but these commercials are getting people's attention.
Speaker 2:So, I know people are starting to copycat already which is cool. I mean, it's a competition, but I want to iron down contracts for people, so the financial windfall for me and the investors should be satisfactory to everybody.
Speaker 1:Man, that's so great, man. I just want to say I appreciate, man, you taking out the time to come here. I know you've been having a busy schedule. You know you had to hit your certain spots before you head back to. Ghana. You know, man, and I just want to appreciate you coming out and I look forward to coming to Ghana, man, and just seeing it.
Speaker 2:Thank you for inviting me and like I say, you know, if you have any questions, you know reach out. You know Don't. You know, like people ask questions and I'm like, are you going to let me manage the company or you want to manage it? You know I'm not throwing stuff against the wall. Hopefully it'll stick you know, I'm doing extensive research like, no, we're not gonna grow that. No, you know. I said you know goats and goats is big there, you know.
Speaker 1:But I don't, I don't, I can't, I can't do everything everything you know, yeah because when I want, when I come, I want to take a look at you know where they have those, those, um, those waterfronts he was telling me about and I saw a couple videos, like some beautiful beaches over there.
Speaker 2:Next year I'm buying, I'm getting a house built on the ocean somewhere out there. I have my niece and her husband and their two grown sons and their wives moving to Ghana to help me run this operation. As we get everything running, I'm still going to be there. I'll be in the beach and me and you can be drinking a pina colada or coffee or whatever.
Speaker 1:I was about to say. Man, you get that beachfront. I want to be your neighbor now.
Speaker 2:Also, I want to build a fourplex on the land at the farm, where investors come and they can stay for free.
Speaker 1:They can't live there.
Speaker 2:At that point you can come for 30 days, but it's not going. I'm going to cap out for 20 years.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, no. Yeah. Well, from the return they're going to get, they ain't going to have to worry about staying too long, I mean that's one thing.
Speaker 2:people ask about the financials. I will share that as we go along, Like once we start making income from the peppers, I'll start sharing the financials because right now people be panicked because everything is out you know, and then I'm putting 80% of my income into the farm as well, you know.
Speaker 1:You're building it up, yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean, most of the time you don't see a return for, yeah, five years, but we'll, we'll beat that. Okay, yeah, we'll be that. You know, thirty thousand a week, but you know I mean. So, like I say, investors are no, but January 2025, we, no matter what the number is, we gonna start paying dividends. You know, and because I, you know, I it is, it makes me feel good that people look like me, trusted to me strangers even you know, and I got to make good on this, you know.
Speaker 1:I'm excited for you. I'm excited.
Speaker 2:Oh man I'm. I feel good. That's why people are working every day. I feel great. This is something, this is mine oh, ours now you know, mine, you know, but, uh, you know.
Speaker 1:But, man, I tell you, I can't ask for a better opportunity than I created for us you know, I hope you don't mind man me saying, if you do, we'll just cut it out, but you know, just from our interaction man.
Speaker 2:I mean that's why I said I didn't know whether you wanted to. That's the problem, and for us, we just met face-to-face a couple days ago and you reached out to me on Facebook and you said you possibly want to invest. I said, well, the first group of investors, everything's going to be the same, but I open up less of my income to allow more investors to come in. Right now, with the amount of contact I got getting people, I could probably raise another $200K, because the people who invested now they say instead of $10K, they want to do $20K. I want to add there was a tour bus that came through. People watched the videos and they wanted to meet me.
Speaker 2:See, my farm and the one bus. I think they had like 13 people.
Speaker 2:Seven of them had invested Just on the spot Because I said I won't let you invest unless you read the information and ask questions Because I don't want buyers' remorse or investors' remorse and one African American said African-American sister, I had already researched it she invested $30K and her friend invested $20K. So I mean, I'll tell you this is bigger than what I'm seeing right now, but I know, based on the right now, snell Mucin is an $8 billion business in just cosmetics. When you add in dermatology, there's government agencies using it. Dementia.
Speaker 2:Wound repair, dementia research. They even got it in toothpaste. It's on and on Cancer research. So I think, is it really like a 50 billion dollar business? I mean this thing if we got 10% of that?
Speaker 1:right right making it make you feel unreal.
Speaker 2:You know like wow what, but that's how big. I don't want this to be a mom and pop operation. We gonna grow and do it the right way. Like any snail me some leave in the farm, it's gonna be that biochemist we build a laboratory. When I get back it's gonna be tested for sure, so me put something on your face. You know it ain't got no salmon, animal or whatever on it. You know it's like you know. We gonna make sure you know so it's like you know, we're going to make sure you know.
Speaker 1:So that's the game plan. It's been great, man. I can't wait until I come over and check everything out. Yeah. And you know, when you come back over here, we'll probably be able to give an update on the podcast, and it's going to be.
Speaker 2:I can't wait to see how far it's going to move ahead, they sending me pictures of all the stuff, this fruit and this stuff, because we were on the food for the snails as well and they eat a lot, right? But yeah, I appreciate you inviting me for the interview. I think great things will arise out of this endeavor that we embarked on. Yes, sir.
Speaker 1:Well, man, this has been Two Cups Cafe man. I'm so excited about what's coming up next. If you enjoy this content, like, subscribe, share, leave some comments about your questions. We're going to have a link to Calvin's information down below. And until next time, it's your man, Two Cups, All right, Thank you.