The Intersection of Athletics and Army Life

Ever found yourself in the thick of a sports debate, throwing out stats like a referee tossing flags? Well, pull up a chair and get comfortable as we stir the pot on everything from Michigan football's latest plays to the tension on the field during the NFL Playoffs. We're serving up a full-course meal of sports insight, complete with a side of spicy banter and a sprinkle of nostalgia. Get ready to relive the Pistons' underdog victory and join us as we pay homage to the greats who've left their mark on Michigan's sporting legacy.

Picture this: a group of mostly Army vets from Post 3033, namely the ever-charismatic Cappy and Bill Paine, as they gather around our mic, sharing their take on Jim Harbaugh's coaching future and the shifting sands of NFL leadership. Our conversation isn't limited to gridiron strategies and quarterback quandaries; we wade through the muddy waters of officiating, challenges, and sports betting rules. And with laughter bouncing off the walls, we reminisce about personal encounters with sports figures and the howl-inducing antics during Elvis night at the Palace.

As the session draws to a close, we don't just tip our hats—we raise the stadium roof for our servicemen and women. We're swapping stories that are as genuine as they are profound, exploring the deep-seated bond between sports and military life. It's a poignant reminder of the resilience and camaraderie that defines the veteran experience. This isn't just a podcast episode; it's a heart-to-heart where every listener becomes a part of our extended sports-and-service family.

Transcript

Speaker 1 0:01

This is the typical life of military veterans, a world that is both familiar and foreign to most of us. It is a world that is shaped by unique experiences, values and traditions of the military, and by the sacrifices and struggles of those who have served, but it's also a world that is constantly changing, as new generations of veterans confront new challenges and new opportunities. Thank you for joining us at Soup Sandwich. Dig your foxhole, heat up your MRE and spend some time with us MUSIC.

Speaker 2 0:38

Welcome back to Soup Sandwich. My name is Charlie Klein, with VFW Post 3033. And tonight we're happy to host another episode of Soup Sandwich. So we've got a lot of things to discuss, and tonight I have with me.

Speaker 3 0:55

Joseph Gates Post 33 Elegant Webmaster and overall tech geek.

Speaker 4 1:00

LAUGHING.

Speaker 5 1:03

Yes, he is a tech geek because he hooked us up real well, my name is Tim Harderby, I am the Post Commander and before we get started, I think listen to some of our previous podcasts. We probably should put a disclaimer out there LAUGHING. So a couple of us noticed that we say, ah, a couple of things a lot Like for instance, I didn't realize how much I said the fire truck word and then we have a dude that says, and like that. And then we have a dude that says, right, laughing. So the disclaimer is we are all military veterans and I'm hoping that most people that listen to the podcast are or families, and we don't want to offend anybody, but our language gets a little colorful, we get a little heated, we say some stuff that isn't politically correct. So please, you know, understand where we're at and don't sue us. Laughing. So, moving forward, let's get right into it. What do we want to talk about tonight, guys?

Speaker 2 2:13

Let's talk about a little bit of University of Michigan football.

Speaker 1 2:18

Go get everybody sitting at the table tonight.

Speaker 2 2:20

There's three of us here currently. We've got Trey. He's going to be on his way. He's running a little late, right, but.

Speaker 5 2:29

Fire truck.

Speaker 2 2:30

But you know, I mean that's the latest and greatest thing that's out. I mean we'll dive into Detroit Lions. I definitely want to wait until Trey gets here because he's a huge Lions fan. But you know the controversy all year. You know hard boss suspensions, the Connor Scalions stuff. And then you know they're running with the offensive coordinator. Sharon is running the game while Jim was on suspension. You're talking a few games at the beginning of the year or shortly at the beginning of the year when the kind of thing was coming up, and then the softball or the big 10, toward the end of the year when they have their big schedule coming up.

Speaker 2 3:13

Right, they had Penn State. I said right again. They had Penn State, Ohio State, you know, two big games at the end of the year when all the. Barbots no coach no coach. That's only on the sideline, though, wasn't he there?

Speaker 5 3:30

He was there during the week, he just couldn't be on the sideline on game day, so it's not like he prepared them, but he couldn't coach during.

Speaker 2 3:37

Right. So that would be like you, as the post commander, not being able to set an agenda for your senior vice to come in and run the meeting because you couldn't be there.

Speaker 2 3:48

Right, you're prepping them all week long, right right, and say okay on meeting night this is what you got to do. He's pretty much doing that with his offensive coordinator. Now I'm not saying there's not. There's obviously game time decisions, right, depends on if you're up, depends on if you're down, depends how run plays are working or this isn't working. Not only is he calling the plays, but he's also got to foresee what's coming up in the game ahead of time, right? So I'm dumbing it down. I'm dumbing it down, but you know.

Speaker 4 4:18

Sherrone did a great job, man.

Speaker 2 4:20

I mean he got the team to those wins, you know yeah.

Speaker 5 4:26

Penn State. They couldn't handle Penn State's rush. What'd they do? Run it down their throats for like 32 plays in the second half or something like that.

Speaker 2 4:35

They only threw one pass play in the third quarter, and that was it for the rest of the game, right.

Speaker 4 4:39

And they said stop us.

Speaker 2 4:40

Stop us.

Speaker 5 4:41

Yeah.

Speaker 2 4:43

Then you look, they rolled Ohio State, so you got Cri and Ryan right born on third base, cri and Ryan. Cri and Ryan, born on third base. I actually saw this awesome TikTok and I think I told you about it. I don't want to send it to you, so it shows Urban Meyers sitting there. We just got like a game controller and you could tell. You could look at the controller and probably tell me what system it was for right Probably, but I said it again.

Speaker 5 5:10

Five times in four minutes At least.

Speaker 2 5:12

At least it's terrible. But anyways, he, you know, he's sitting there playing the game Cri, and Ryan sits down next to him, kind of like gives you know, hey, here's the, here's the game controller, right, and Urban walks off camera view and then it cuts to the video game and there's like a school bus driving on a road and all of a sudden it makes a right hook and flies off a cliff, yeah, and then like blows up the bottom of the canyon. It's so fitting now, you know, with Michigan being the highest state three years in a row, which just is Awesome, fantastic, fan flipping, fantastic.

Speaker 4 5:47

And then when they're talking about the, the science-stealing whole scandal thing.

Speaker 3 5:51

what I like about it is they still have to execute on the on the field, yeah.

Speaker 2 5:58

Even if you know the run is going to the right, still have to stop. Yeah, let's stop it. Well, you know a great, a great but read into the game.

Speaker 5 6:03

A great, a great. But read into that is that that guy from Green Bay, their coach, that the Super Bowl trophies named after right Hibardi, he, he said that I mean you see it all sometime on NFL films. He's saying, hey, we're going to run this all day, we're going to run it. Perfect, you got a seal here, you got a kick here, you got to do this. And they can know it's coming, but we're going to do it so well that they're not going to be able to stop it. Okay, and and with the science-stealing thing, you know, when I played little league, my coaches were smart enough to every couple innings, to change our signs, because that's part of the flipping game. That's part of the game. If you're not trying to steal signs, you're not trying.

Speaker 3 6:55

So even playing basketball like I didn't mind coming off the bench, just like, hey, I can watch what they're doing. Oh, he's coming and doing this Now I can jump ahead of it when I get on the floor.

Speaker 5 7:05

Yeah, yeah, it's. It's one of the things that they throw a fit about the whole. You stole my signs. We'll be smart enough to hide your signs, for the love of God.

Speaker 3 7:16

I mean you've got a 50-50 shot. They're either going to run it or they're going to throw it. Pass it, right, so oh, okay.

Speaker 2 7:27

Look who decides to show up. Yeah, come on in. Yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 5 7:34

We don't have any refreshments around here. We don't want you first.

Speaker 3 7:38

That's right. That could be taken on a different level.

Speaker 2 7:42

Oh man, so once again. Yeah, the podcast is coming live from the AJ Sky Lounge. We did a little renovations today. Yeah, looks nice. I'm hoping that the podcast will be done at the high top bar.

Speaker 5 7:57

Oh, that'd be cool. You know, that's cool.

Speaker 2 8:00

We got that eight foot table in bar top in and we can get something to help hide these. We got the first coat of lacquer in. What I'd actually like to do is actually drill the holes and you put a little inserts in and we can feed everything up from the bottom.

Speaker 1 8:14

But yeah, we'll, we'll check it out and see Figure it out.

Speaker 2 8:17

This thing's going, but Trey Porter's just rolling in. He gets his cup filled.

Speaker 5 8:24

He'll be joining us here with water, with water, of course.

Speaker 2 8:27

Well, why did we sugar coat it?

Speaker 5 8:30

Why don't we just tell well, because this isn't a geriatric gin joint Right.

Speaker 2 8:32

This is the AJ Sky Lounge. I know we drink freely and he drinks a gin.

Speaker 5 8:37

Okay, Well you know, everybody's got their own flavor.

Speaker 4 8:40

Okay.

Speaker 2 8:42

Well, and we're going to go back to the science doing right. So when they came up with that, original rules like 1992, 1994, whatever it was, big universities literally. I mean you think about what your camcorders were back in the early nineties. I mean they were like television cameras.

Speaker 4 8:58

They were huge.

Speaker 2 8:59

I have the? I, peace and all the, all the things, and you literally would have to send four people or five people or six people to these stadiums to record film. But you were literally sending a camera crew.

Speaker 4 9:10

Right.

Speaker 2 9:11

So we got a little bit of a, a little bit of a, a little bit of a, a little bit of a. We got a tally board for them, right, yeah, but no, so you did, you had to send a whole camera crew. Which little universe little, or universities central Michigan's, or, you know, san.

Speaker 4 9:28

Diego states or whatever. They couldn't, they couldn't afford to do it.

Speaker 2 9:31

Yeah, it was only the big universities, so that's that's why they made it a disadvantage. Now you can literally send one guy with an iPhone anywhere and record anything you want to record. That's why they have three people on the sideline or four people on the sideline sending in signals, sending in cues. They're holding up big boards with different shapes or characters or whatever on it to disguise it. So really is this is a sign stealing thing, any? I think it's a bunch of BS. I think it was a way because Michigan was on the rise to come back. They all do it.

Speaker 5 10:06

Trying to keep the brother down. They all do. Trying to keep the brother down, everybody does it, you know. Everybody does it, all right.

Speaker 2 10:14

We're going to welcome them. I'm going to do a trade. Good Doing good, sorry, I'm late.

Speaker 6 10:19

Did you have a long day on the road today? I did all day. Everything worked out okay. Yeah, I didn't crash your trailer. It's all in one piece.

Speaker 2 10:28

Damn. It worked out okay though. Yeah, things insured, man insured. You're welcome, thank you.

Speaker 6 10:32

Thank you, that's what we do.

Speaker 2 10:36

That's all about the brotherhood.

Speaker 5 10:37

So so trade. We're talking about a only greatest thing that's happened in Michigan 27. 26 years, 27, 26 years.

Speaker 2 10:46

So I got a great caveat to this. Later on I'm going to bring up Go blue Go blue.

Speaker 5 10:49

The. This one did win the championship back in 2004.

Speaker 6 10:53

Oh, we're going to.

Speaker 5 10:54

we're going to talk about that too, because we're going to talk about that because, I mean, charlie and I were at lunch strictly drinking, of course. I mean that's what we do at lunch. I'm pretty sure I ate. Oh, you did. Sorry, charlie, I did not.

Speaker 1 11:14

Good Lord.

Speaker 5 11:14

And and something I want to bring up later after we get go through Michigan and the Detroit fiasco is is what it's like for those deployed soldiers from the state of Michigan to watch their boys on the air force network. What did it know? It's AFM, AFM, yeah, Armed forces.

Speaker 5 11:38

Yeah, to watch their boys kick the dog Dookie out of the Huskies, maybe. I was in as an Egypt in 04 and I watched every game of the Pistons Lakers. I was in Iraq in 06 when Detroit went to the World Series and lost the Cardinals. So that's pretty, that was pretty awesome. So anyway, but we'll get it, we'll go into that later.

Speaker 6 12:05

Well, I was there too. I was in Iraq at the same time, yep.

Speaker 5 12:12

Pretty, pretty high speed when you can watch your team and the only only distraction is the flipping bombs are coming in and you got to run into the bunker and you don't want to do that because you're going to miss a pitch. Yeah, you're like what the hell?

Drill Sergeant School and NBA Finals

Speaker 6 12:28

In 04. I was in. I was in drill sergeant school during the NBA finals and all the guys that were rooting for LA.

Speaker 5 12:37

I mean, nobody thought the Pistons were going to win. I didn't have a choice. Yeah, no, no, no chance, no chance.

Speaker 6 12:42

Because they had Shaq Colby, but did they have Gary Payton and Carl Malone?

Speaker 5 12:47

Yes, they had Gary Payton and.

Speaker 6 12:48

Carl Malone.

Speaker 5 12:49

Yeah.

Speaker 6 12:49

Yeah, and we mopped the floor with them. I kind of felt bad for Gary Payton and Carl Malone because that was their chance.

Speaker 5 12:57

I didn't because the sons of bitches jumped ship and went on a loaded team. Win a championship on your own, don't ride on Colby and Shaq's. But that didn't work anyway, right.

Speaker 2 13:09

Nope, so I got out 2002. So we come back and my father drives for UPS, right, so you get home from work and he's super cold all the time. Love the Pistons, I mean. Watched every damn game. He walked in through the door at 7 o'clock, 8 o'clock at night, from delivering packages. Tv was on, the game was on. Mother-in-law had dinner ready. He's watching the game. As soon as the game is over he's going to bed. He's only up like three hours when he gets home. You know it's freezing cold out this time of year. Anyways, so 2004,. Well, I've been 2003,. That winter my wife and I bought my father-in-law and then her brother-in-law, sean, tickets to a game. So I picked one for like end of January, beginning of February. I went down. So it was just a guy's trip, you know. We drove down to the palace, watched a game and it was Elvis night. Had no idea it was going to be Elvis night. You know I just buy these tickets randomly ahead of time, you know.

Speaker 1 14:13

I think.

Speaker 2 14:14

I actually had to call and give a credit card over the phone. I think I could order them online. I think back then you still had to call. So these tickets show up. We go down there. As soon as we walk in we see a big old banner out this night at the palace you know it's scrolling on the ticker. We're like what the hell All?

Speaker 1 14:31

these.

Speaker 2 14:31

Elvis's run around. It was awesome. So we find our seats and I bought us decent seats for what I could afford. You know, just get out of the military. We're upper bowl but we're like the first row of upper bowl, so you're looking straight down. So we went up, found the seats and we went down to got beers and we're standing there. My father-in-law goes what?

Speaker 2 14:48

are all those people doing on the line right there and they're kind of walking, not on the court, they're maybe the first row, big old line. There's people with suits that you could tell worked at the palace, they had the badges on stuff and they're walking. This big line of people and I have no idea. So he's a call. There's dark old Milichick or Milichak or whatever.

Speaker 5 15:10

Oh, yeah, Darko, he loved he loved Darko.

Speaker 2 15:14

So we go down and he's taking pictures of Darko and all the stuff. You know it was the old school canvas. These people had to walk and pass us. He's like, well, that's getting mine, me and Sean. We're like, no, we can't go get in line. We don't know what the hell it is.

Speaker 2 15:30

He's like, well, I'm going, so he just jumps in line, so we jump in line with him and somehow, you know, there was like a gap and we just kind of filed in and the people behind us didn't be like, what are you doing in our line? You know, they didn't say nothing. We walk around the court and we actually walk out onto the court during warmups and we get our pictures taken. We get our pictures taken with the trophies, the 8990 or 8889.

Speaker 5 15:52

Right, right, right.

Speaker 2 15:53

We walk out there like we're supposed to be in this line. We get our pictures taken. There's all these other people up and thinking like why are these people so lucky they get to go out of the court? So we're literally out of the court. I got the pictures the best picture ever and he loves telling the story. He was like fuck it, let's just get in the slide.

Speaker 4 16:09

Let's see what happens. All right, let's do it. What the hell.

Speaker 2 16:11

We just get kicked out before the game.

Speaker 5 16:12

We don't care, sounds like a specialist.

Speaker 2 16:14

So fuck it, let's just get in line.

Speaker 3 16:16

And here I am. That's for forgiveness after mission, right? Well, and here.

Speaker 2 16:20

I'm the guy that would have been like hell yeah, that's getting in the line. Everybody would have been telling me, though, but it's, like you know, at the time, 60 year old father-in-law going, that's getting in the line. You know, it's the first probably game he's ever seen the Pistons place, and he was a kid.

Speaker 5 16:32

Yeah.

Speaker 2 16:33

He's 60 years old and launches every game. So that was Tayshaw, prince and Rip and Chauncey and Big Bad and Big.

Speaker 3 16:40

Bad, I missed that team.

Speaker 6 16:43

I saw him at a restaurant in Detroit one time and he's huge. Who Big Ben? Big Ben Wallace.

Speaker 5 16:51

Big Wallace. He's a big boy. See, I think the Pistons are the only team I have never seen in person. I've seen a Wings game, a couple. I've seen a couple of Three Tigers games. I've seen a couple of Lyons games.

Speaker 6 17:04

Don't waste your time with this team.

Speaker 5 17:06

Yeah, pistons, yeah, they're terrible.

Speaker 6 17:09

Yeah, they're terrible, but they're our team Yep, and that's what we do.

Speaker 5 17:14

Michigan was terrible for right. And then our boy, jim Harbaugh, says I'm going to bring back the guys, I'm going to bring back Bo. And now he's going to have a statue right next to Bo because he plays like Bo. We're going to run the football. You're going to have to stop us. If you can't stop us, bitch, get out the way.

Speaker 2 17:36

Yeah, but you got to remember when he came in he was still kind of running that spread offense for the first three or four years when he came in.

Speaker 5 17:43

Yeah, because he had. That's what they drive, or they recruited. I understand that's what they had recruited ahead of them, right?

Speaker 2 17:49

And then it slowly started to change. So but you see right, washington's coach, that's only a second year.

Speaker 2 17:55

They're going to be good. That was only his second year, so he's coming in and Brian Kelly that he's at OSU now he was here at CMU is that my sister and I went to Grand Valley's where she graduated and Brian Kelly was at Grand Valley. Division two, one I couldn't even tell you six, eight division two championships came to CMU, excelled them for the three or four years he was here and he bounced Cincinnati and you know he's Notre Dame and he kind of bounced around but no doubt he's good he's. He's a coach that can come in and literally in a year or two flip a team from being shit to being. Didn't do it in Notre Dame. Being top tier didn't do it at OSU?

Speaker 5 18:37

Well no.

Speaker 2 18:37

I have a feeling he's only first year at OSU right.

Speaker 5 18:46

Yeah, but they, they bounce at all. Geron, I don't know if that's the correct pronunciation, but I think Ed won a championship with with LSU, and then they buy a team for Chip Kelly.

Speaker 2 19:02

Well, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'm saying Hold, it isn't Chip Kelly it.

Speaker 5 19:06

Who's the dude that said UCLA? I thought Chip Kelly was at UCLA. I have no idea, I don't I. I.

Speaker 2 19:12

I'd, I don't know. I'm just saying that there there's coaches out there that can do it.

Speaker 2 19:17

That can walk in with a team and turn a culture and make a good. There's other coaches that they're going to need three or four years and that Jim Jim Harbaugh is that coach. Now they're super dominant. Now that's not saying Washington next year is not going to be. They might be lucky to break the top 20. I mean, you just don't know right, as he's recruiting, his guys are coming in. It doesn't mean they're going to stay great. Obviously it helps when you have a good program you're going to recruit. The best players want to come in there because they get the exposure for the NFL. But you know there's there's certain coaches that that can come in and certain coaches that that need some extra time and that's actually time is fine. I mean, if you're one of the national championships, who the hell cares?

Speaker 2 19:58

But, but the crazy thing is we talked about on Facebook. My son enlisted in delayed entry program May 17th. I enlisted in delayed entry program May 17th. We were 26 years apart. That's the last time, though, to the day.

Speaker 5 20:16

That's the last time, though.

Speaker 2 20:18

It was the exact, yeah, exact same month, exact same day. We were just 26 years apart, which is crazy to believe. But then what happened in 1997? Wolverines won national championship, but they knew this year Nice, wolverine. So if you think about it, maybe it's good luck. I told my text to my daughter and I said hey, guess what you're doing next year on May 17th, You're going to go enlist in the air for us.

Speaker 5 20:41

You're going to go and listen to something, so the Biscuit Wolverines win again. That'd be awesome.

Speaker 2 20:45

We're going to three P and we're going to be base 17th in the years that me or my kids enlist, you're going to have to find some kids to adapt.

Speaker 3 20:52

You know I might have to.

Speaker 2 20:53

Every year I'm adopting a senior Guess what you're doing.

Speaker 6 20:58

You know that normally us as men and we have sons we always want our sons to be better than us. That's something somebody said to me is that, if you think about it, the only person that wants you to be better than them is your father.

Speaker 3 21:21

In most cases.

Speaker 6 21:21

And, yeah, most cases, most generally speaking. So I'm wondering, charlie, why did you let your son join the ring?

Speaker 5 21:30

Ah, I knew that was covered right there, woo.

Speaker 3 21:35

Right, because I like that Fuck.

Speaker 6 21:41

You got three army guys piling on him right now and he loves it.

Speaker 3 21:47

You can only see his smile right now.

Speaker 2 21:50

No, because if he enlisted anything else, he'd have been below. He wouldn't be an improvement.

Speaker 6 21:58

We just made a point that the army is better than the Marines. No, that's not the point?

Speaker 2 22:06

The point was you want your kids to be better. They can't get any better. I mean, if you went in any other branch you'd be below standards.

Speaker 3 22:14

That's the point. Well, when you look at the flags in the order from left to right, like most important it's, the army flag comes first. I just want that on record.

Speaker 2 22:27

It's really easy to establish yourself and then backdate you to whatever you want to be. It's like post-dating a check. I can write down whatever the hell I want and I can say well, we were around way before you, we were just going to backdate our shit. What are you talking?

Speaker 7 22:41

about.

Speaker 2 22:41

Six days before you and then say we're better, yeah, get out of here. What are?

Speaker 5 22:45

you talking about.

Speaker 2 22:47

Here we go, oldest national guard.

Speaker 6 22:49

It is the oldest branch I mean it was a backdate of yourself. I mean, I'm going to have to agree with the.

Speaker 2 22:54

You're a bunch of freaking farmers with pitchforks and we freed a nation. And somehow you decided that and we freed a flipping nation and somehow now you're going to decide well, back then we were just a bunch of farmers. We're just going to call ourselves the OK, national guard, that's cool.

Speaker 6 23:09

I can't agree with you on that one. Wow, that's pretty.

Speaker 2 23:13

Yeah.

Speaker 6 23:14

Thank you, that's what most people say.

Speaker 5 23:19

Except your wife.

Speaker 2 23:22

Why did we have to go there? You went there. Don't say you wouldn't.

Speaker 5 23:26

He dragged me to it. He definitely did. You can't bring me into a bar and then tell me I can't drink. We don't drink at the Skylon. I know that's strictly forbidden, because you might burp.

Speaker 3 23:41

Oh, she's like last time.

Speaker 2 23:43

That was serious. I was re-listen to the podcast. I had to take it.

Speaker 3 23:47

He was like no, I was better than that. I should go back and edit that out and make that my ringtone for a while.

Speaker 2 23:57

I think it came from down deep yeah. So, all right, so we're down with the.

Speaker 5 24:01

Wolverines, michigan. Baby, I love it. Harbaugh gone, harbaugh gone. You know it's Harbaugh gone. Do you think he's going to go pro?

Speaker 6 24:08

No, I mean, he already tried that once. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 24:11

But I think if they don't give him total, 100% control, he's going to stay at Michigan.

Speaker 6 24:17

You said if they don't, or if If they do he'll go.

Speaker 5 24:21

If they don't, he'll stay, because what's he getting, charlie?

Speaker 2 24:25

He's getting 10 years 125 million and I guarantee you, lord Emanuel and the president and the boosters said whatever this guy wants, gets period.

Speaker 6 24:36

Within reason yeah, no, he's going to have a statue next to.

Speaker 2 24:41

Bo, you know Michigan's got the largest alumni association.

Speaker 5 24:46

Bo never won a national championship.

Speaker 2 24:50

But what I'm saying is they've got the largest alumni association. Yes, if Jim Harbaugh wants something, he should 100% get it.

Speaker 5 24:58

Yes.

Speaker 2 24:59

Absolutely. He literally renegotiated the contract in the bad years Because he couldn't beat a house to 80.

Speaker 1 25:08

Couldn't win a playoff game.

Speaker 2 25:09

Renegotiated. Run the gambit 15 and a half. It's only happened five other times. Yep, right. Or there was actually a team in 1894. It was like Yale or some shit. That was 16 and all. But everybody else, georgia's Ohio State's are 15 and all. Run the gambit. He deserves everything that's thrown his way. He's proven himself, he's taken the hit and now he's built the team. And when you have players who are NFL eligible and what I mean eligible, they're always eligible. They can declare. But I mean they're actually legitimate NFL quality players, they're going to get drafted, they're going to play in the NFL. That's a shut up, joe.

Speaker 2 26:00

They say fuck it, I'm going to stay because we have unfinished business.

Speaker 5 26:06

Unfinished business.

Speaker 2 26:06

Playcourt said it great, we're finished, business is finished. We all came back. They love the coaches, they love the facilities. They were on a mission and you don't come back when you can go to the NFL. Now the NILs probably helped out. These players are getting paid, some some more than others, but you're looking at these guys that could have bounced and made millions and now maybe they're making tens or maybe 100,000s of dollars and they could have been making millions in the NFL. They said, fuck that. I'm coming back. We have unfinished business because the coaching hasn't stilled that yes.

Speaker 5 26:47

If you stay, you will be a champion. Those who stay will be champions.

Speaker 2 26:51

That's right and at the end of the day, that comes from your leadership. Those guys would walk through fire.

Speaker 5 27:00

Absolutely.

Speaker 2 27:02

And I think it proves it, because they came back to finish the business where they could have sailed off into the sunset. And the best part that I love is the fact that there's four years of Ohio State players. Could you imagine if you came into Ohio State as a freshman, if you came?

Speaker 4 27:23

into Ohio State as a freshman COVID year 2020. Didn't play.

Speaker 2 27:29

Michigan 2021,. You lose to Michigan 22,. You lose to Michigan 23,. You lose to Michigan 24, you lose to Michigan or 24 an hour, it's going to happen. So the freshman to senior year. They never beat Michigan.

Speaker 5 27:45

And they're all hanging themselves right now.

Speaker 2 27:47

They're all hanging in trees, they're all contemplating great, the hell do I do, I do? I want to go over five. Say another year, just get my ass kicked or what do they want to do? I just love the fact to know that there's guys that play for Ohio State.

Speaker 3 28:00

I saw a story today, they're never beat Michigan. Jj was going to go to Ohio State first and then he was lied to and said screw it, I'm going to go to Michigan and they're going to pay for it.

Speaker 6 28:11

So really yeah. So it's going to go to Ohio State first. Those of you that follow it a lot closer than I do is JJ McCarthy. He's got, he's done, yeah.

Speaker 5 28:22

I don't know. I haven't heard what year is he at. He's a junior. He's a junior.

Speaker 6 28:26

He's got a year, I would leave.

Speaker 2 28:30

I would assume he's going to be the same. Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 5 28:34

I'd come back and be the only Michigan quarterback to win two national championships back to back. Baby, the only thing I could say about him, he'd be a legend?

Speaker 6 28:44

Yeah, he would be. That's if he did it. I suppose he fucking hurts himself and goes down.

Speaker 2 28:53

But you know, a guy like JJ is going to make hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Speaker 4 29:00

NIL money.

Speaker 2 29:02

Yeah, no, that's not.

Speaker 5 29:04

And then he puts on an insurance policy on himself and he'd be set for flipping ever. I think he's going to be a guy that's going to be.

Speaker 2 29:21

I think he'll be back. I think there's a good cost to it, but same extent I think I would blame him if he dips out.

Speaker 5 29:41

And they got that Dante Moore coming in and they got that, or EJ or whatever. He ran a couple of three plays there in the national championship but he's just in to run the ball. But they use that kid on punt returns. Oh, speaking of punt returns, the dude that fumbled the ball at the one yard line on the punt return he hit the transfer portal.

Speaker 4 30:04

Yeah.

Speaker 5 30:06

I feel so bad for that kid.

Speaker 2 30:08

I'm going to hold you right there. We got this game in Brent came in yeah.

Speaker 8 30:14

Brent Holbrook, quartermaster of post three, zero, three, three, and join in the conversation. So we're talking football.

Speaker 2 30:23

We're talking Michigan Wolverines right now. So sorry, that's the reason why we went silent for a second was Brent was coming in the room, so but yeah, so same thing. Alabama, Alabama's center.

Speaker 4 30:39

He hit the transfer.

Speaker 2 30:40

He hit the transfer portal like a day later we can all those bad snaps to Milbro, those crazy low snaps, and they say that that last play, when he took the snap and just ran up the mill, that was supposed to be an RPL so he had the running back as you're watching TV was coming toward us. Yeah, I don't know if that's the way I could tell if that was the wide side. I think it was the wide side of the field.

Speaker 2 31:06

I think it was, and Michigan had a linebacker coming to cover them. There's two receivers out there that had their blocks, but it was going to be dang. It's going to be dang close, I think Michigan Well, they had. I think we had a really, really good shot at stopping them, because I think I created open field tackling.

Speaker 5 31:24

Yeah, I think they stole the signs.

Speaker 2 31:31

All right now let's move on to the Lions, the Dallas cheaters. It's not Dallas, as well, it's the.

Speaker 3 31:41

Zebras every year.

Speaker 8 31:43

Now I'm going to jump on this bandwagon because I really am a bandwagon fan. I'm not really into football all that much. Get the fuck out of here, right.

Speaker 1 31:52

I'm more of a hockey guy myself.

Speaker 8 31:54

But but even though, like watching what's going on and kind of understanding, like what happened with the refs, they instantly were demoted, or at least that's what I read. Basically they were punished. They can't call any games in the playoffs now, but, with that being said, I also heard that the commissioner has the authority to overturn scores, but he's not going to. So my question is why is that? And is it just because he's a douche canoe or because everybody hates the guy.

Speaker 2 32:31

You don't fucking do it. Roger Goodell yeah, no, nobody likes him. I think the issue is that most people agree with it. Once you open Pandora's box, you can't put it back single time Something happens. This, this is such an alarm and anomaly. It's the fourth quarter, end of the game scenario. Now, all of a sudden, say that happened in the second quarter and the team loses. They can be like well you should overturn that.

Speaker 2 32:59

That should have counted. And then, if you take all the scores from here on, then there were so many other things that would have happened or could have happened. You know what I mean to not alter the course of the game and because, that happened within the last 20 seconds of the game. Essentially he should could have done it, but I think once you open that door it's you'll never shut it. It's the slippery slope and everybody will be saying and screaming that you need to change the score and I understand that.

Speaker 8 33:29

but I think it stands to reason that that late into the game would increase the reason to do it rather than like some second quarter you know like, because then the game is still up in the air.

Speaker 2 33:45

Now a few sets of precedence. That says, within the last, like two minutes two minutes of the game and the referees make a mistake, that bad, I will change it, but I'm not going to go back. Yeah, from 201 to whatever, in ever change it, but within two minutes, you know, within two minutes of the end of the game, I'll change it. Right, but it has to be in you. You'd have to set the parameter. It has to be a scoring play. I got either overturned or missed. It can't be a first down.

Speaker 8 34:18

Yeah, totally a reception it can't be. Yeah, totally open to any rules that they set down or whatever, but just to blatantly blanket, just you know, blanket policy. Oh, I don't want to open Pandora's box. That's not an excuse, I'm not.

Speaker 2 34:33

He's never come out and said anything.

Speaker 1 34:34

No, he's not.

Speaker 2 34:35

I'm just saying I can see why he's not going to do it, because once you open the door you'll never shut it again.

Speaker 8 34:41

Right.

Speaker 2 34:42

It'll be a million and five people complaining that they got screwed in the game and we need to change it.

Speaker 5 34:46

And the whole thing is you know, if I'd have been in the stadium with a sniper rifle, I'd have shot that rough. I'm just saying Okay.

Speaker 2 34:54

Okay, I'm just saying so that was good. So the referee has to announce to the defense who the eligible player is, just like they come over the loudspeaker and they say 60 is declared, 79 is declared, whatever's declared. So what's the point of running three guys up to the ref if they're going to announce to the defense or announce over the loudspeaker who's eligible or not? What was the point when I just send one guy out there and say, okay, I'm the guy who's going to declare him?

Speaker 5 35:25

Well, because maybe the defense doesn't listen and that's on them. There's nothing wrong with a little deception, you do it all the time.

Speaker 2 35:31

Well, that's the reason why there's three guys staying in there giving signals. Yeah but there wasn't, there was two. No, no, no what I'm saying. That's why there's three guys on the sideline giving signals. Oh, yes, yes, exactly For deception in the skies.

Speaker 5 35:43

Because when the skipper come on, if you watch the replay when he run in, he had his left arm, like in a bodybuilding this show in my muscle thing, and then his other hand was on his chest. Okay, and basically and I didn't know this, but listening to get up and NFL today that's a jumbo package which means more linemen and however many fingers he's got up tells you how many extra linemen he has. Okay, so Dan Skipper never went to the ref, he ran in and went right to the line of scrimmage. Tyler Decker no, no no, no, no.

Speaker 2 36:25

He ran towards the head official never got to him and the signal is two hands brushing.

Speaker 5 36:31

Right, but he never did that. He was like this, he was like that, yeah, and he. And then Tyler Decker stood in front of him and one of the head league officials said well, you got to make sure it's known. And Scott Van Pelt said what does he got to do? Dude fucking jumping jacks in front of a dude, the guy's fucking six foot eight, three hundred and eighty pounds and staying right in front of you and he's going like this. If you can't see that, you're totally in it.

Speaker 2 37:03

Did you? Did you see the thing I posted on Facebook about Rex Ryan?

Speaker 5 37:07

Yeah, Rex Ryan was fucking lost his mind.

Speaker 2 37:11

Are we going to stop blaming the players and hold the officials accountable? It's their job to pay attention to the game. It's not the players responsibility to notify the referee. The players do what they need to do, but it's the officials responsibility to pay attention to the game.

Speaker 8 37:34

Now let me ask you this that's why they're there, so let me ask you this. So what is the situation had we have one? Is this just a matter of record?

Speaker 5 37:48

No, no, this is a matter of playoff seating. If they to beat Dallas, they'd have won under the number two seed. San Francisco lost, they would have won into the number one seed and had every game played at Fort Field. That's why it was so important.

Speaker 5 38:06

It wasn't it wasn't just some motherfucking, whatever. It's just a game. They got fucked because they could have went to the number one seed, which meant everybody would have had to come to them. But now you know they're playing the Rams and we can talk about that in a second here. Oh, matthew, matthew Staddy's coming back. We're going to play the Rams, right.

Speaker 3 38:29

We'll talk about that Jersey thing.

Speaker 6 38:31

One time, with the one time he can actually help the Lions.

Speaker 2 38:35

Yeah, the one time we want him to lose.

Speaker 5 38:38

Well, I'm hoping that he remembers what it was like when he played for the Lions and all the bad offense alignment he had and always got fucking just trashed. I'm hoping Aiden and the boys say, hey Matt, welcome home, and fuck him up. So but yes, that's a. That's a very good question, because it didn't just change, not just a game. We're talking about going from a three seed, where you have to play the first round and you don't get that extra week off, to a one seed because San Francisco lost. They beat Dallas.

Speaker 8 39:14

They would have went from three to one, so it's not a matter. There's a few different things to look at then. So it's not a matter of say, I don't know, the game decides like, the winner of that game decides that that that team is going to play off. So it wasn't that.

Speaker 5 39:30

No, they were already in the playoffs. All teams were already in the playoffs. Seating Seating is important for especially home home field advance.

Speaker 2 39:38

So if they would have bumped up, they would have been guaranteed the first two games at home, rather than playing one game at home. And now, if they win the second game they're going to play at someone else's stadium, so yeah, probably the advantage is huge, probably Dallas.

Speaker 6 39:52

They better, I swear to God, they better fuck those dudes up. They better fuck them up. Take the anger.

Speaker 5 40:00

They better fuck them up. Probably Dallas, but they could have had everybody come through Detroit.

Speaker 2 40:05

Detroit. Detroit fans are absolutely ridiculous at how long they get. I mean, the city is going to burn when they went on Sunday, ann Arbor did 17 fires or something like that.

Speaker 5 40:22

And Ann Arbor? Why are you fucking burning your city down?

Speaker 2 40:26

We want a championship. Go to the bar and drink fucking beer. They're not burning the bellies, they're burning cars. Well, whatever, Well they used to do that here at CMU yeah.

Speaker 5 40:36

When they beat Western in the 90s when I was a kid, oh yeah, it was not Western. And CMU.

Speaker 2 40:42

Yep, that was bad. That's why the Western CMU games are now on like Thursday nights. They don't do them on Saturdays. So the kids ain't drinking all day and partying all night, you know, and until my, Tuesdays.

Speaker 5 40:54

So, and then Ogan Skipper got a little love. He did. He did love on Sunday when he caught that pass, first down pass for four yards Did you see what happened. They just stared at the refs and it wasn't even that ref's fault. Because, that rough wasn't in the Dallas game.

Speaker 2 41:10

But did you hear the crowd?

Speaker 5 41:11

Yeah.

Speaker 2 41:12

He caught the pass. The crowd's going absolutely standing ovation.

Speaker 5 41:17

Yeah, it was fucking awesome. I don't care who they are.

Speaker 8 41:21

One more question about refs in the NFL. Is there while the game is actively played? Are the refs it? And what I mean by that is for the MLB, for Major League Baseball, you've always got the UMPs right, but you usually have somebody's supervisory. Well, yeah, they do that's why the booth?

Speaker 4 41:49

Yeah, the booth, he's going to go to the booth, so they do.

Speaker 2 41:55

They call it a replay official, but somebody.

Speaker 5 41:58

That was a play that they said can't be, that could not be replayed. There's only certain plays that can be replayed, and that was not one of them.

Speaker 2 42:07

Oh shit. Well, the issue is it's an interpretation of the ref the head official. He's the guy with the way hat, he's the head official. Then he have line side bag judges. They have all different kinds of referees. There's like a dozen on the field and one guy up in a booth and it's up to when. It's that type of a call.

Speaker 4 42:33

If that official that the player is checking in with is like I never saw it.

Speaker 2 42:38

There's no way for a replay official to say, well, he did do it or didn't do it. It's not like I'm checking to see if you caught the ball in bounds, out of bounds. Did you get your feet in? Your feet were out that the ball hit the ground, where they actually have camera footage. The only camera footage you ever see is the same one. It's the head official out there. It's a view of their backs, so you can't see if they were make. He was making the motion, not making the motion.

Speaker 3 43:02

But you see, that time too they have. I think it's on their hats to have them on all of us. Every refer not but yes, so they ever so often.

Speaker 2 43:10

So if that comes out but once again, though, it's like a body cam out of police officer, you know, if his body's not facing something, so the left or to the right that camera is only got a view. So if it's on his hat, he was looking at skipper coming in and not paying attention to someone else. You might he legitimately might not have seen him do it, but he should have taken the time before running up to the line of scrimmage. This is okay, guys. Who is it you know? I mean. So that's, I think, why they got hamstrung, because he didn't make sure what he saw is what he saw.

Speaker 5 43:43

Okay you see, I'm saying yeah, I do, but this is, this is my motherfucking problem. Hey, here we go, guys.

Speaker 4 43:50

I was trying to be good trying to be good, but this is my motherfucking problem with us.

Speaker 5 43:54

Okay, why would fucking Decker walk up to the fucking ref if he's not reporting as eligible? How do you misadude that six, nine and three hundred pounds? Standing in front of you and and, of course, like you said, charlie, from the back you couldn't tell if he was wiping his shirt, but why else is he going over there?

Speaker 2 44:16

No, no, could we well, but it's deception. I'm gonna send a pile of guys over there, and maybe you don't listen to what the ref says or what the loudspeaker says, or what the loudspeaker says, and you see a pile of guys over there. It's the same reason why you have three guys calling signals in. Okay, so deception.

Speaker 5 44:30

But then Dan Campbell comes on and he tells everybody that I took the refs and don't they always do it?

Speaker 5 44:39

Yeah, and they even do it at the high school level. Rex Ryan said the same thing. Yeah, they do it at the high school level. We're gonna run. This is our trick play. This is what we're gonna run. This is who's gonna be eligible. This is what this guy's gonna do. This is what this guy's gonna do. This is what everybody's gonna do. Here it is, and he shows it out. So they should, unless the guys are flipping moron. He should have figured it.

Speaker 2 45:00

I mean well, and they do even like, say, even in high school, the refs will come in and say, okay, kind of not necessarily what your game plan is, but any plays that you want us to be aware of, right, and they literally will have it on the whiteboard and they'll say, okay, these are gonna be the trick plays that we're gonna run, or if we're gonna have alignment eligible, these are gonna be the numbers for the guys that will be eligible during that, that package.

Speaker 2 45:27

And they're taking notes, you know so. Then that way they are aware of it, they're not gonna remember. I mean, could you imagine if I gave you 12 plays and the other team gives you 12 plays and you're still trying to manage the game and call stuff? You're not gonna remember, tim, I can. How many times I gotta say Remind them, remind them, remind them, remind them remind who I know, but it's, it's simple, and these guys are running around.

Speaker 2 45:55

It's, it's a game. That means something. So they're, they're running around trying to make sure that they're running, he's running his crew correctly. They're making that, so I get that they can miss something.

Speaker 2 46:05

I understand that they can get something at the end of the day, if you look at the replay, he runs away from everybody else and you pays attention to skipper number 70, right, he should have stopped and checked to make sure that he got. Hey guys, did I get that right or am I wrong? It should have been. It's his responsibility to make sure he gets in. That's what rex rams saying. They're responsibility to make sure they get it right. It's not the player's responsibility, it's not the coach's responsibility, it's the official's responsibility to make sure they get it right.

Speaker 2 46:36

So then, pisses me off is as a coach or a player. If they talk shit About a referee making a bad call, an official making a bad call, they get fine. And they, they talk shit about that and say this, that was bullshit, they missed it, they fucked up. You get fined or suspended or, worse, gone for the season. If you say anything negative, so questioning authority is absolutely forbidden.

Speaker 2 47:05

Oh, cost you money, it'll cost you games, it'll cost you all sorts of that's. That's bullshit how it's all set up by. But the reason for it Is you'd have every player, every coach to question constantly bitching about Well they, we got 13 home calls and they got nine. And that's bullshit. They should have had 13 too, and I mean it would just get out of hand with the bitchin. So that's why they do it. So then, but I would if I was Dan Kimmel said fuck it, find me, I'll give a shit, suspend the fucking.

Discussion on NFL Challenges and Rules

Speaker 5 47:36

Fuck yeah, I got every fucking dollar worth. It's every fucking dollar worth. I'd still be fucking bitching after the minnesota win it's coming. Um, yeah, because after the minnesota win I would have went and said see, this is what I'm fucking talking about. We could have had the number one fucking seed in the nfc, but because some stupid ass can't figure out who's eligible and who's not. But here we are in the three seed Playing a wild card game. Well, who?

Speaker 6 48:04

um who. Who does have the number one seed san?

Speaker 5 48:07

francisco mother, even though they lost, if they would have, if detroit would have won, they would have come down right, right. They had to come to two where they would have to have a wild card game and played green bay, I think is who dallas gets and then I tell you, though, jordan, jordan, love.

Speaker 2 48:25

And what matt lefie was doing right now those guys are on a roll too.

Speaker 6 48:28

They're just like. It's just like did you go to high school with matt lefie?

Speaker 2 48:32

Matt lefie. Yeah, he was he was years behind me, so okay, yep.

Speaker 8 48:37

So one more question is here's behind me man, you got a lot of question. I told you, football is not really a game I follow, so it's good because there's probably some listeners out there that.

Speaker 6 48:48

Thank you, yeah, I appreciate you yeah.

Speaker 5 48:52

Sucking up to the navy guy.

Speaker 8 48:55

Um, we were talking about them. They're using tools when they're available. I think you got something on your mouth there.

Speaker 6 49:02

Okay, I was, look, I was sticking up for you. But now it's over, it's over, it's over bitch.

Speaker 8 49:07

I see my coping mechanism is to play into it.

Speaker 4 49:10

So that you know doesn't Butter anyway.

Speaker 8 49:14

So we mentioned the booth earlier and so my last question it might include that. So if a, if a coach throws their challenge flag, red flag, yep, yep Does that start the?

Speaker 2 49:27

process. Start going into the booth.

Speaker 8 49:30

Okay, I just wanted to make sure, so essentially what?

Speaker 2 49:32

because that wasn't an option for him. There's certain players they can challenge or not, like spot of the ball, possession of the ball. If it's a catch, not a catch, okay they can't.

Speaker 5 49:40

They can't challenge if it's pass interference or not pass interference. They can't challenge a holding call. They can't challenge off, they can't they can't targeting.

Speaker 5 49:51

They can't targeting but they can't challenge off sides. I don't believe I mean you're either. Are you're not like the fucking idiot stick and Mother? He should have turned around the other way and he could have been like the fucking defense alignment. You know, he's so far off sides, it wasn't even funny. And then everyone's like, well, I can't believe you made that call. You know they got a little program. Say you, look over at that ref and say hey, am I good now?

Speaker 2 50:17

No, you know you know it's not there. It's not even. If you do that and you look over to the side official, you say am I good?

Speaker 5 50:26

They don't have to, they don't have to, but normally they do.

Speaker 2 50:29

Protocol typically states They'll tell you.

Speaker 5 50:34

I'm here, okay.

Speaker 2 50:35

You're okay, it's not their responsibility. To tell you he was, but he was way over. He was like a yard.

Speaker 5 50:43

Well, look what happened to this is a lot.

Speaker 5 50:46

Look what happened to the center for, uh, philadelphia, travis kelsie's brother. He took the ball and normally a center will get the ball and he'll rock the ball up on its tip to snap it. Well, he actually took it and moved the ball forward, forward and then when he snapped it, they called him for illegal procedure, illegal, illegal snap. And in the pro podcasts that them two brothers do, travis kelsie and the other, kelsie, travis travis and I don't know what. The other case, jason, jason, he goes. Hey, that's not me, man, he goes. I just got in the wrong stance, I got up over the ball, so I'm kind of like too far forward, forward, where that would almost make him outside.

Speaker 5 51:30

Yeah, and the dude's gonna run me over because I don't have my stance, so I just moved the ball forward a little bit and he goes. And that's on me. Yeah, he goes. It's never called but, based on what happened in kansas city, kept it called. Now my fuckers are it? Kept me called. All right, is your penis hanging over the Speaking. Speaking of penis, the best sign, oh god.

Speaker 6 51:52

Yeah, he loves it. He loves penis. Let's hear about it tim.

Speaker 5 51:56

Look at this. Did you see some of the signs at the national football or at the championship game? There was a dude that held up a sign that said uh Jim, hire ball has no penics, yeah for panics.

Speaker 2 52:12

Yeah, that was actually a woman that held that. Yeah, I did.

Speaker 5 52:15

And then there was another guy that said uh, I had a better sign than this, but michigan stole. I was like you gotta give him credit. That was pretty funny.

Speaker 3 52:26

That's the crap we should be seeing during timeouts and stuff.

Speaker 8 52:28

So I would say so I would consider myself the peanut gallery on this. On this topic, usually are yeah, yeah, whatever, fuck you.

Speaker 2 52:38

You're like you're out of the door for you to get in.

Speaker 8 52:39

Yeah, so I'm just gonna let it go. I would say A coach only has one challenge a game.

Speaker 2 52:52

No no. Two per half. Two per half. Two per half.

Speaker 5 52:56

Oh, okay.

Speaker 4 52:56

And I think they get one in overtime.

Speaker 2 52:59

One I know in overtime all all challenges. Oh, that's right, they all, they all come from the booth, yep.

Speaker 8 53:03

You're right, okay, all right. Well then, this thought process doesn't make sense Because I was gonna say, if they only had like say they only had one challenge a game, make everything challengeable, so that it's like a strategic thing Is is that play?

Speaker 5 53:17

or is that thing you want to tell it really that bad? The game would go on so where it's 10 hours.

Speaker 2 53:22

So where it's strategic is if you throw a challenge flag and the call on the field stands, you lose a time out. Yeah, so you get. You get three timeouts per half, right, where you can stop and talk strategy or try to slow the offense or defense down. Right, and if the call is, if the call is stands as called on the field, you lose a timeout if it's overturned with a challenge. So you are right as the coach that throws the flag that you, the play on the field is reversed to what it should be and you get to keep your timeout. Okay, got you.

Speaker 3 54:12

So I also believe you don't. You can't use them in the last two minutes of each half, okay?

Speaker 8 54:18

Well, it's you know. It's a little different then, because I guess I just you know the rules of this, that and another thing, and you can only have so many of this like I guess it makes sense then, if you know. I would think, if they're right, don't, because that's the thing if, if your challenge is accepted, like I mean, accept it as in, like you know they find that you're correct, then nothing happens right, you lose a challenge.

Speaker 2 54:46

But no, if you're found correct, Okay so say like. They call a passing complete. I challenge it, the booth review, they call it complete. The ball moves to where the runner was down that, or they caught the ball and went out of bounds or whatever. Then you get to keep your timeout and you get your challenge back. Oh, okay, so basically you're right, you get all your benefits back and we put the ball wherever you lose your timeout. If you lose it, it's your penalty is you lose a timeout.

Speaker 8 55:22

So I guess then you know why all these rules then. Well, you can't challenge this and that, another thing, and because, because, somewhere.

Speaker 2 55:30

Interpretation they're not gonna sit there and review every holding call.

Speaker 4 55:35

Well, yeah, I mean, that makes sense, right.

Speaker 2 55:36

Because you just throw the flag every play right Because there's got to be a holding somewhere in there. I mean they all grab jerseys, they're all pulling on each other. I mean it's just part of the game. So, like Tim says, the game would just go on for frickin ever because you can say well, there was a holding on the offensive line. There's always a holding on the offensive line.

Speaker 8 55:57

Maybe you know, maybe keep that, you know as a, I mean you got, you got. I'm just saying like for future reference because, like the thought process that I was going to take this to was, I don't know how rules change for the NFL, do all the owners come together and say, well, every year they have a rules committee.

Speaker 2 56:15

Yep.

Speaker 8 56:17

Guaranty to you they're just gonna come up.

Speaker 2 56:19

This year they have been. That's actually why they got challenged. They never used to be able to challenge in here.

Speaker 2 56:24

So the rules committee got together and they came up with a concept for what should we be able to challenge? What shouldn't we be able to challenge? What's that's reviewable? And that came down to, you know, like every scoring play is always reviewable. So if you know you throw a 60 yard pass, well, there's not a referee. That's within 60, 60 yards of the play, right? They're trying to run down the field and they're all in their forties or fifties. They're not running like a 22 year old, that's right, Right. And they can't quite see their feed if it's either out of bounds, in bounds, they're not.

Speaker 8 56:55

That's the reason for all the cameras, so they're not a spring chicken like me that can sprint that In 9.3 days.

Speaker 6 57:04

For those of you that don't know, tim is old as shit.

Speaker 2 57:10

So all those plays are reviewed just to make sure the receivers to feed are in bounds or they didn't touch a sideline when they're running on the field or something like that. They actually crossed the plane of the end zone If they're diving or something. So those are always reviewed. To try to cut down on the challenges, so they just automatically booth review it Yep. That booth review guy says, yep, it's good, that it's good. Now you can still challenge it. If they say that's a touchdown and you don't think it's a touchdown, you can always throw the red flag and they can look at it again.

Speaker 5 57:43

But you're dumb as shit. But you're dumb because they've already reviewed it and they're not going to change your mind.

Speaker 2 57:49

So now, now that we sometimes they do not much.

Speaker 5 57:52

So we beat up the football rules. Ok, baseball this year. Ok the new rules that they implemented in baseball I don't know if you guys are baseball players or what. Do you watch it? I do the pitch clock kind of bullshit, is that you? Know, speed up, speed up, I know it speeds up the game, but the batter he's got to be in the box in the box. Eight seconds. You don't get to stand out there and adjust your gloves and both nuts. Let me ask you a question.

Speaker 2 58:26

You haven't even swung the bat. You need to adjust your. Yeah, I know, I know. Yeah, you need to grab more dirt off the ground and rub your hands on it. Yeah, I agree, seriously, it's getting out of hand. And I agree, I got to do the Jesus sign before I stand in.

Speaker 5 58:40

Yeah, every time. I agree, because personally I think the the league should go to. Once you're in the box, stay in the box, unless somebody buzzes your tower and you fall out of the box. Then you get back up, dust yourself off, get back in the box and but the thing I don't like about the pitch clock or not the pitch clock you can only throw over the first base twice. So I'm a speedy guy. If I'm a Ricky Henderson and I get out there and you toss, I go back safe. I get out there, you toss again, I'm going, I'm going to. You can't throw the first anymore, so throw the second. If they think about it that way, I mean I mean that's a good, that's a good point.

Speaker 2 59:27

Just turn around, just throw a fucking second, or be a fastball to the catcher and let the catcher throw down.

Speaker 5 59:35

Well, I'm just, I know, but there's there's other ways that they can do it. I just I didn't like the way they and I guess in a way I'm a purist in the baseball thing a certain way, but then I'm not like Pete Rose should be in the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 6 59:50

I agree.

Speaker 4 59:51

And he didn't bet on his flipping team.

Speaker 5 59:54

He wasn't Shewless Joe Jackson. You know, shewless Joe Jackson should be in the Hall of Fame too, you know.

Speaker 6 59:58

You know who used to bet on sports all the time.

Speaker 2 1:00:03

Ryan Day, fuck Ryan Day.

Betting in Sports and Prohibited Gambling

Speaker 6 1:00:05

Michael Jordan. Oh, I bet All the fucking time he was betting on sports all the time. His team, other team. You know that when he left for a couple of years and you know, because when his father died, and tried baseball it was really a suspension, a quiet suspension, for betting on his team. Shut up. I've heard that. Yes, trey, yeah Trey, look it up. I never heard that. I never heard that.

Speaker 2 1:00:34

Look it up.

Speaker 6 1:00:35

I'm not saying it's not true.

Speaker 5 1:00:36

I'm not saying it's not true. I'm just saying, trey, come on.

Speaker 6 1:00:41

We all know Jordan was a like a rabid bet person.

Speaker 2 1:00:44

He still has bet on everything. He bet on golf and everything. Yeah, he bet on everything. He bet on everything.

Speaker 8 1:00:49

He bet on golf.

Speaker 2 1:00:51

No, like I mean what he's playing. It's really funny, unless I was playing the Larry Thayer golf ball.

Speaker 5 1:00:59

I would never have had against you. Hey, Larry Thayer, probably going to be our next junior vice department jiu-jitsu vice commander, I need more of your golf balls, since they're all Michigan. They're the only ones that I can hit straight, so I need more of your golf balls.

Speaker 2 1:01:14

Okay, I'm not going to say it's straight, but I don't lose them, never lose them. They bounce out. He hits them in the pond, they just skip. He has never lost and I confident in all the VFW golf outings and stuff.

Speaker 5 1:01:30

And I suck. And he never loses, larry ball, larry ball, larry ball is always good.

Speaker 3 1:01:37

I think we should have the right driving range and the weather is better.

Speaker 8 1:01:40

So question and statement Number one.

Speaker 2 1:01:44

So then is there kind of a statement, or is this the?

Speaker 8 1:01:47

question. Here's the question so are. Is there kind of a general rule in all the major leagues that players aren't allowed to bet? Then yes.

Speaker 5 1:01:56

Okay, there's no betting on baseball.

Speaker 4 1:01:58

Oh, okay, there's no betting in football.

Speaker 5 1:02:01

But now you can bet in football. You just can't bet on your own team, and I'm guessing all of them do that now. I don't think that's right, you don't.

Speaker 2 1:02:07

I don't think you can bet it all Football, you kid. I don't think so because yeah.

Speaker 5 1:02:12

Yeah, I mean, he's a person he got. He got suspended because he bet in the Lions facility, but he could bet outside the facility.

Speaker 2 1:02:21

He didn't bet, wasn't his like? Cousin placed his bets for him.

Speaker 5 1:02:28

I heard that he got. He got suspended for them six games because he bet Look it up, Joe, I can get that on football can prove. Football players bet on pro football games.

Speaker 2 1:02:40

I think if I'm recalling correctly which might not be right I think he had a cousin or a brother or somebody else placing his bets for him, and I pretty serious when I say that one is allowed to gamble on any NFL related events.

Speaker 3 1:03:02

There you go. What's the say?

Speaker 2 1:03:06

No NFL players are allowed to bet.

Speaker 3 1:03:08

If all NFL personnel other than players are, further from placing listening or listening bets on any other professional Convitation, so they could do NBA and they'll be NHL. They just can't do their own. It's not NFL.

Speaker 6 1:03:21

You remember that rap?

Speaker 2 1:03:22

song when he was he was doing it Players, though players can Players can.

Speaker 3 1:03:27

Yeah, it's saying all NFL personnel other than players are further prohibited from doing it.

Speaker 2 1:03:33

So players can, players can bet, players can bet, but other staff can.

Speaker 6 1:03:38

That don't make no sense, it's the fucking Roger Goodell NFL.

Speaker 5 1:03:44

The no fucking fun league.

Speaker 2 1:03:46

You know, but players can bet, but if I'm in the front office I can't. You're done watching the show. No D communicating.

Speaker 3 1:03:54

But you can't, you can't you can't bet on NFL games.

Speaker 2 1:03:58

Google the no Google the Jameson Wilson or Jameson suspension.

Speaker 5 1:04:06

Jameson Williams suspension. Yeah, so the Detroit Lions, in case another one comes up. I'm hearing a little bit of ice Sounding empty.

Speaker 2 1:04:22

I got those big cubes in there.

Speaker 6 1:04:24

I put that in there this is for betting related policy violations.

Speaker 2 1:04:29

Right. So, and I'm pretty sure it was like a cousin or a brother that was placed in his bets form and he got caught.

Speaker 5 1:04:36

I heard he got. He got in trouble because he bet at the Lions facility. He actually placed the bet off his phone while he was in the facility, but I don't know either.

Speaker 6 1:04:47

I wouldn't even. I don't know. If I was a professional athlete, I wouldn't even mess with it, don't even go near it. Now, I do enjoy betting on sports, so enjoy it.

Speaker 8 1:04:57

Let's talk about that, because I wanted that was my next statement was, since we're talking about betting in sports, how far do we think the Lions are going to go this year? Do we think this is the year?

Speaker 2 1:05:11

So I tell you.

Speaker 6 1:05:12

No, this is not the year. I mean.

Speaker 2 1:05:15

I just mean I put a dollar, I put a dollar at the beginning of the year and the Lions were insurable. I do it every year.

Speaker 6 1:05:21

Well, a dollar. What's the?

Speaker 3 1:05:23

payment on that.

Speaker 2 1:05:24

Because, I have like $190 or something.

Speaker 6 1:05:29

Well, I mean, you're like 70 years old Plus 19. You're 70 years old. So for the past 50 years you've put 50 dollars.

Speaker 2 1:05:37

I'm 70 years old. I'm younger than you. What's it?

Speaker 6 1:05:41

mean to you you are 95. I thought you looked fucking 70. I guess I'm wrong.

Speaker 8 1:05:49

The Marines strike again, so I'm not big into sports betting. I'm not either.

Speaker 5 1:05:57

I don't bet because I like my money. I don't want to give it to you, you don't do a whole lot.

Speaker 6 1:06:02

And listen, I don't do a whole lot of sports betting, but like when I go out to Vegas, the sports book, just sitting in those big comfy chairs watching sports all fucking day, just going to pay, you know paying, you know five, ten, twenty dollars a game, I don't go to fucking Vegas, okay. So you should go to fucking Vegas.

Speaker 5 1:06:21

I don't want to go to Vegas, all my boats.

Speaker 8 1:06:23

You're boring. You're an old man. That's why All my bets are like dollar.

Speaker 2 1:06:28

Yeah, yeah, like an entire Michigan game or Detroit Lions game. I maybe have eight dollars and I have eight different bets for a buck each, and it's not like I'm betting $30 and $50.

Speaker 6 1:06:42

It's not stupid.

Speaker 2 1:06:43

I mean I throw $100 on my book and then I sit dollar, dollar, dollar, dollar, you know for different shit and it's just so weird.

Speaker 6 1:06:50

Listen, it makes the game more fun, yeah it does.

Speaker 8 1:06:55

It's like you got skin in the game.

Speaker 6 1:06:57

I'm going to win and I just recently got into this and passed like two years. Yeah, my brother and a couple of friends of mine like hey, you got to do it like this, like this.

Speaker 1 1:07:06

I was in Vegas betting on fucking horses.

Speaker 2 1:07:11

I was like I'm not out there to make a million dollars, you know but it makes the game interesting so like, if I want Josh Reynolds for the Lions, I want him to get 36 yards, right, is he going to get over under 36 yards? So I, you know, put a bet either way and I'm like, dude, don't catch the ball, or she fuck that.

Speaker 5 1:07:30

Run, run, run.

Speaker 6 1:07:31

You know like I mean let me win my fucking three dollars. It does, it does.

Speaker 2 1:07:37

The fantasy league. You know where you're drafted players and you know you're getting points based on how good they're doing. And you, you're watching all these different games and doing all this different stuff. That's what makes it fun. It's not about the money. The money just enhances it a little bit Exactly.

Speaker 4 1:07:53

That little dope being hit.

Speaker 8 1:07:56

You want to know something? That would be even more fun. I think we should all pull together. We should buy a thoroughbred, you know.

Speaker 6 1:08:02

Oh, here's the Navy guy, and we should. What now?

Speaker 8 1:08:05

We should. We should name the thoroughbred my face, so that when we're ahead and we're about to win, everybody in the stands yelling come on my face.

Speaker 2 1:08:15

Everybody grabbed your checkbook 10 grand a piece right now, you bring a checkbook. No, I'm not, I'm not going to be having nothing.

Speaker 5 1:08:28

that where people are yelling, come on my face, I'm not. That's a Navy guy. That's a Navy guy that thought of this.

Speaker 2 1:08:39

Okay, the last time I heard you say it, you were way more excited.

Speaker 8 1:08:50

In all seriousness. I just got into sports betting for real. I've received. For those of you listening, we're in Mount Pleasant, michigan. Our casino here is a Soaring Eagle Casino. They just opened a sports book not too long ago.

Speaker 2 1:09:06

They have an app, so log on. Yeah, they have an app, it's only been there for like a year.

Speaker 8 1:09:11

I think Sports book yeah, year and a half, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 1:09:15

If you're trying to use a vandal in here in town.

Speaker 3 1:09:17

It blocks you because of the reservation. Yep, we're on the Isabella Indian reservation.

Speaker 2 1:09:22

I found that mistake out here I literally here at the office I can't, at the Sky Lodge I can't place a bet, but I can't at home, because I'm just off the reservation line, because for M20, anything south of M20 is not on the reservation, so I actually now have sports book at the Soaring Eagle, so I could do it anywhere.

Speaker 3 1:09:41

What if I could do it with a VPN? I'll try that. I think they might be smart on that.

Speaker 8 1:09:46

I don't know, so I went to the sports book and told them hey, I'm newbie, never done this before, but I want to bet on. It was the Army Navy game and of course I bet on Navy and I lost my bet.

Speaker 6 1:10:02

But you know that's the sad point. I mean it's a pretty fucking safe bet on the Navy because we get our ass kicked all the time, because our boys when they go to West Point and they graduate they go to fucking combat. In the grand scheme of things, we win, right yeah, because we're fucking heroes.

Speaker 8 1:10:27

Anyway, did you hear that horn toot just a second ago.

Speaker 6 1:10:30

The sports book is an ascend right. Yeah, it's in the back of the casino.

Speaker 8 1:10:34

Yeah, but the lady that was working there was really nice. I told her I'd never done it before and she kind of walked me through some of the basics. But she told me this story. She's like the thing about sports betting is that the minimum is a dollar.

Speaker 6 1:10:48

You don't have to be a high-roller to come and have fun.

Speaker 8 1:10:50

Exactly, and she told me the story about this guy and apparently it's called a parlay where you bet on multiple things all at once and if they all hit you win.

Speaker 8 1:10:59

So she was telling me the story. She was like this guy right now again, they've only been open year, year and a half at this point and she goes. This guy comes in bets like 20 bucks on this huge parlay. She can't even remember what it was, but the dude, my freaking hit every single one of those things and still holds the record right now. They paid him out over like 100 and some 200 and some grand. Oh my God.

Speaker 6 1:11:27

Every day Give me a parlay.

Speaker 2 1:11:29

She's like I'm gonna pray that she hits $20 a day. Let me ask you this we got a couple people that want to call in.

Speaker 6 1:11:37

Yeah, okay.

Speaker 2 1:11:37

Oh, shut up, Really. We got picture. I'm looking at Cappy Randy, gil Rand, billy, oh God. They want to call in, cappy, we want to call them in, and if we need to wrap this episode up we got a little bit of time we can always cut them.

Speaker 8 1:11:55

Yeah, we can. What's our time right now?

Speaker 6 1:11:58

We got like six minutes. We got 15, 20 minutes. Let's do it, let's bring them in.

Speaker 2 1:12:05

They want to fucking come in, bring them in. All right, let me see if I can figure out. If not, I'm gonna have to have that's fucking high speed guys. Jackie, come over here to do it.

Speaker 5 1:12:15

Jackie, get it done. Come on, webmaster. Oh, by the way, huge shout out, huge shout out to the techie, the Mr Joe Gates, the nerdy radio man from Iraq, my adjutant, who I love.

Speaker 8 1:12:31

He's not from Iraq.

Speaker 4 1:12:35

He kind of looks like that they're for Harvey.

Hypothetical NFL Coaching Opportunities With Harbaugh

Speaker 5 1:12:38

Harvey, my adjutant, who does a great job with this. Who's fucking donkey is here? We were not able originally, hey Hooker, we were not able originally to have these mics work, these, uh, these surround sound mics. And Charlie tried to figure out.

Speaker 8 1:12:58

I tried to figure out Well, that's your problem. It was a Marine in an army guy. Well, Joe's army. Yeah, but he's got an excuse because he actually did fucking communications.

Speaker 5 1:13:07

Joe jumped in there and got it done. Hey buddy, how you doing, hey pretty good, how's it going?

Speaker 2 1:13:12

Can everybody hear? Yeah, I can hear him, I can hear him. Hey, we got you on the line, man. What's up?

Speaker 7 1:13:20

You're supposed to be face time. What's? He's the problem.

Speaker 6 1:13:24

Nobody wants to see your ugly face camping.

Speaker 7 1:13:26

I don't know why it's face time, that's okay. It's shown far, not me.

Speaker 2 1:13:33

I don't know why, it's face time.

Speaker 3 1:13:34

I don't know, why it's face time.

Speaker 7 1:13:38

Because they haven't turned it on.

Speaker 5 1:13:40

Oh, it's on, I can hear you. You're gums.

Speaker 2 1:13:42

Yeah, we can hear you. I don't know why you're on face time.

Speaker 7 1:13:46

Yeah, we. We have a lot of pieces of glass down here that need to be cleaned, so we need a window liquor down here.

Speaker 5 1:13:52

Well, we'll send Britain. Yeah, I'm not at window liquor. We're the.

Speaker 2 1:13:56

Navy guy. We'll send the Navy guy. I was the guy driving the bus.

Speaker 8 1:14:00

All right, I wasn't looking.

Speaker 7 1:14:01

It's always a.

Speaker 8 1:14:02

Navy guy.

Speaker 7 1:14:03

Now we can see that Uber driver and liquor. Why is that a picture of your crutch?

Speaker 2 1:14:10

Oh man, we're trying to figure this, there it is.

Speaker 5 1:14:14

All right.

Speaker 7 1:14:22

All right, you brought trade down there. Yeah, you know there's gotta be a token black guy.

Speaker 4 1:14:29

Gotta be, gotta be.

Speaker 2 1:14:31

All right. So joining us on the podcast right now is uh uh Cappy. He's there, we go, all right. Sorry, all right, I actually hit the button on the uh on the podcast machine, but we got uh Cappy, who's a member of Pulse 3033 Army veteran looks like we got Bill Payne. Bill Payne, who's a member of Pulse 3033.

Speaker 5 1:14:55

Army veteran.

Speaker 2 1:14:56

Army veteran, former Pulse commander Yep.

Speaker 5 1:14:59

And former district commander former district commander.

Speaker 2 1:15:01

We got Randy Guillory, who's an auxiliary member auxiliary member Yep Of our post.

Speaker 5 1:15:07

His grandfather fought in World War two.

Speaker 2 1:15:10

His great grandfather. World War one is great. Great grandfather, his great great grandfather fought, and I don't know, the Rome era, something like that, back in the day. So, uh, yeah, we just got these guys uh, they're sitting at the post, uh, it looks like, got a couple of beverages in their hands. Uh, so we've been talking about, uh, michigan football, detroit Lions we were on right now. Um, and, yeah, these guys decided they wanted to call in and shoot the shoot the shit with us. So what are you guys doing tonight?

Speaker 7 1:15:46

We're supporting 3033.

Speaker 2 1:15:49

Perfect, that's what we like to hear. I'm going to set you guys up so at least you can maybe look down the table.

Speaker 7 1:15:56

Wow, we see Brad and we don't want to see the oh, no, all right.

Speaker 4 1:16:00

Hold on.

Speaker 2 1:16:11

Wow, look at it, there we go.

Speaker 3 1:16:16

All right.

Speaker 7 1:16:20

What's that? Who's the guy on the far right?

Speaker 4 1:16:24

Who's right? You're right.

Speaker 7 1:16:25

You're right.

Speaker 2 1:16:26

Probably Brent and wave your hand.

Speaker 7 1:16:28

That guy. No, no, no, I didn't say the far back right.

Speaker 6 1:16:33

Oh, fucking Tim.

Speaker 5 1:16:34

You talked about the post commander. Look there, that is one.

Speaker 7 1:16:40

I understand post commander.

Speaker 2 1:16:45

So what do you guys think about Michigan Wolverines?

Speaker 7 1:16:50

We were. We've had multiple conversations during that last hour and a half two hours maybe three hours that we've been supporting the post. Here. We're building our part. The door's open, but no, we're. There's been multiple conversations about what our ball is going to do next year. Yeah, but you are trying to pick which team he's going to.

Speaker 5 1:17:15

He's staying, he's staying.

Speaker 7 1:17:17

Yeah, he's staying, I'm leaving. Let's put him in as a Patriots coach.

Speaker 2 1:17:23

I don't know, did you see Seattle?

Speaker 7 1:17:29

No, I can't see him going West Coast.

Speaker 2 1:17:31

All right. Well, he was out there in San Francisco already.

Speaker 5 1:17:34

He ain't going nowhere, he's staying in Michigan.

Speaker 6 1:17:37

Yeah, he's not going anywhere.

Speaker 7 1:17:40

I would love to see him stay in Michigan but the controversy that's going on, I don't know if he's going to be able to stick around. I think he might jump ship and hit the NFL and I don't want to see him go to Tennessee because that that whole program, that program isn't what it should be. But could you see him take over in New England for the Patriots?

Speaker 5 1:18:03

What makes you think Belichick's leaving?

Speaker 3 1:18:06

Where are you going?

Speaker 7 1:18:08

I think if he locks in with the Patriots for five years, they're going to, they're going to make a run at it for the next 10.

Speaker 6 1:18:19

I don't know, can I, can I say this Cappy Harbaugh? Already tried that. I don't think he's going to make it.

Speaker 2 1:18:31

Hold on, man, let me, let me try to call you guys back.

Speaker 5 1:18:34

Okay, kind of choppy Choppy.

Speaker 6 1:18:41

Call them, don't call them regular.

Speaker 8 1:18:44

Yeah, call them regular, not FaceTime yeah.

Speaker 5 1:18:49

Because Joe fucked it up. That's what Joe does.

Speaker 8 1:18:53

You literally just praised the guy for saving the day.

Speaker 5 1:18:57

Well, he did save the day, but then he fucked it up. You look at one, at a boy doesn't take away all the, all shits.

Speaker 7 1:19:09

Well, hello, son shit.

Speaker 6 1:19:11

There we go that sounds better.

Speaker 2 1:19:13

You sound better now. Now, we just got you on phone, not on FaceTime. I don't know how that happened.

Speaker 5 1:19:19

Joe fucked shit up.

Speaker 7 1:19:23

Yeah, he's the tech wizard. Well, you play audio and visual and that's a problem. It's like walking the children Self fucking it up.

Speaker 4 1:19:37

Yeah, you're still breaking up.

Speaker 2 1:19:40

Can you hear us? Yeah, I can hear you about your choppy breaking up?

Speaker 6 1:19:45

Hey, just my suggestion. But get away from what is that Metro.

Speaker 4 1:19:52

Metro cellular Metro cellular.

Speaker 6 1:19:56

Stay away from it.

Speaker 7 1:19:56

Okay, verizon wireless.

Speaker 6 1:20:00

There you go. Sorry, you sound much better right now.

Speaker 4 1:20:06

Okay.

Speaker 7 1:20:08

Well, we're okay on the on the hardball thing, we're leaning more towards that New England. I think he could take that team that was absolutely fantastic for the last 10 years and turn him around. If you're not going to say it, mr, Fish, I don't know.

Speaker 2 1:20:27

I think for him it's going to be hard to turn down 125 million over 10 years, though Less than the NFL gives him more, They'd have to give him keys to the kingdom which means he'd have to be the Belichick guy.

Speaker 5 1:20:44

Yeah absolutely.

Speaker 7 1:20:46

But you know 1.25 or 125 million over 10 years. Only 12.5 million a year. He's got to set a goal and a level that stands for years. So he's got to be making 20 million a year.

Speaker 2 1:21:09

I don't think any coach in the NFL makes that Not even close.

Speaker 7 1:21:14

Well, we're not talking at the end of the day, this is, this is hardball. I mean, how much is your brother making a year?

Speaker 2 1:21:23

That would have to Google that. I guess I don't even know, but.

Speaker 5 1:21:28

Joe Google it.

Speaker 3 1:21:29

What's that?

Speaker 5 1:21:30

John, john, hardball. What's he makes a year.

Speaker 7 1:21:35

Yeah, Joe's just there to be a pretty face. Look at that.

Speaker 2 1:21:39

That's why we bring him. He's our Google guy.

Speaker 5 1:21:43

We have a problem. We say Joe Googles it. 12 million for John. John makes 12 million a year.

Speaker 7 1:21:53

Average, I could tell. So he's making 11 a year and he's retiring, so hardball's got to do better than that by far.

Speaker 2 1:22:04

No, we agree. And he also has to be able to run the show. So basically, be the GM draft who he wants bringing the coordinators do everything he wants to do in order to make the jump, because that's what he's basically doing at Michigan. He has the keys to the kingdom.

Speaker 7 1:22:20

But what was that? Belichick was making 20 million a year.

Speaker 2 1:22:24

Yeah, I have no idea.

Speaker 5 1:22:27

Yeah, that's what Joe just said, 20 million a year.

Speaker 3 1:22:29

But was that with bonuses?

Speaker 2 1:22:33

Right. So average annual. That's not guaranteed salary. So that means he wins the division, he gets a $5 million bonus. He does this, makes playouts, that's a $2 million bonus.

Speaker 7 1:22:46

Yeah, I think it's an over, I think he swoops in, takes over New England and, yeah, takes them for the next five years with a with a guarantee to $100 million for five years. Boom, because the way he's going to sign with Michigan for 10 years, he's not some spring chicken out there that's going to stick around for another 10 years.

Speaker 2 1:23:09

Well, he's already made. How many millions on top of millions. It does 20 million a year for five years, making a difference just like 125 million over 10. He's not going to be there 10 anyways. He'll retire after five more anyways.

Speaker 7 1:23:22

And he will.

Speaker 2 1:23:23

He's already. He's already got 70 million dollars in the bank. What's, what's 20 million a year really mean to a guy like that?

Speaker 5 1:23:29

And not only that, he wants his fucking statue right next to Bo. Right next to Bo, it's not going to be some buckler hall, it's going to be Harbaugh. That's what he wants. Why wouldn't you? Yeah, so, but he can't do it. If he leaves Michigan, he's got to make it. He's got to beat Ohio State for the next five fucking years, he's got to win another Natty. And if he does that, fucking, they might rename the school. Fucking, not Michigan, it's Harbaugh, university of Harbaugh.

Speaker 7 1:24:08

You might be right. You might be right.

Speaker 2 1:24:12

So I don't know, it was just. It was just a thought that we had going around. You know where, where his direction is going to be going in the next few years. But you know we talked about, you know, detroit getting fucked over at Dallas.

Speaker 3 1:24:25

I didn't want to bring something up we talked about with that. So I saw today that they're banning the old Lions Stafford Jersey from the game.

Speaker 5 1:24:34

I've seen that too. What?

Speaker 3 1:24:36

They're banning it from the four field this next game. Wow, that's actually amazing. So you sold some, you sold some merchandise and now you're banning it.

Speaker 7 1:24:46

To come back, Well, he went to the freaking. Yeah, I don't, I don't, I don't disagree with it. You're going to embrace an old Jersey? Put a Barry Sanders Jersey on.

Speaker 2 1:24:58

Yeah, but you have to remember. Okay, so say, barry Sanders left Detroit, went and played for LA. Are you going to? Are you going to ban Barry Sanders jerseys now Because you traded him away? It's not like he left on his own accord. Yeah, he traded him away.

Speaker 5 1:25:12

He didn't want to be in Detroit. He told everybody that you you traded him away.

Speaker 2 1:25:17

That wasn't his choice to leave. Well, he's never a agency and refused to sign. You gave him away.

Speaker 8 1:25:26

Yeah.

Speaker 7 1:25:28

That's what I was a hard Detroit Lions in back in a day and when you, when you cut your own heart out, that's kind of hard to come back from.

Speaker 2 1:25:39

I tell you what when that guy plays injured and his heart was in the game in Detroit.

Speaker 5 1:25:46

Well, yeah, he was old and 16. For the love of fucking God, he played.

Speaker 2 1:25:49

He played with guts, he played with passion and he gave everything he could when he was on the field for Detroit. Yep, I agree the shooter was popping out of socket and the motherfucker's throwing touchdowns still in pain and win a game.

Speaker 3 1:26:04

I remember getting hit and he getting up like get the fuck off of me, yeah, yeah. Should we continue going?

Speaker 7 1:26:10

So what point does he feel you?

Speaker 2 1:26:14

Are you?

Speaker 7 1:26:14

are you getting touchy feely stuff?

Speaker 2 1:26:18

Well, we're always touchy feely than ourselves all the time.

Speaker 3 1:26:20

But that's why this is not a video.

Speaker 5 1:26:24

That's why we don't have video on the podcast, because basically we're all sitting around here naked drinking beer and talking about fucking football. Tim's naked Shut up, trey, I know how you are.

Speaker 7 1:26:39

Person is dancing to like trace it around. I look bad.

Speaker 6 1:26:44

I'm making them out while making this look good. What are you talking about, malcolm, malcolm, malcolm, brother, malcolm.

Speaker 2 1:26:54

Oh shit All right, guys, we're gonna let you guys go. We're gonna wrap this up here in a few minutes, so it's great to have you guys call in next time we do this, come on up.

Speaker 7 1:27:08

The next topic. You ought to bring up a little more of the lines. We want to really see where they're going to go in these playoffs.

Speaker 2 1:27:15

Yeah, so we'll be back on here in a couple of weeks. Yep, right on All right, man, Okay you guys, keep it up, we'll do man Talk to you later.

Speaker 7 1:27:26

Right on, All right bye.

Speaker 6 1:27:28

It was good for them to call. It was great for them to call.

Speaker 5 1:27:32

And this is a good trial for us, because we've never had people call in before. So now we understand that you know the search, yeah, and you know.

Speaker 6 1:27:42

another thing is we've been pretty much sitting here talking about sports for the past hour and a half and I know people listening might be like why are these veterans? We're talking about veterans issues, but here's the thing how many times we need a little reprieve. Well, not only that but how many times have you been sitting around in the foxhole or whatever, or the Humvee, the Humvee and talking about sports all day long, all day?

Speaker 3 1:28:15

My first legal beer was watching Super Bowl in Iraq.

Speaker 2 1:28:20

I wasn't 21 yet, so there's actually a guy like shoot starts on Mondays at the post. His name is Taylor, he's going to the National Guard, he's getting ready to ship out, he's going to be a snake. And I told him hey, man, make sure you send me your address. I had to write my address down. Send me a letter. I don't ever expect a letter back, but send me a letter. Basically it'll be mine to you. They'll have the touch you feel, good stuff to it, but it's also going to be sports course and the local news stuff that you will never see. Well, you're gone. I'm not here to you. Know, I'm not going to kiss your ass, I'm not going to tell you oh, you're the rock star, you're the superstar, he's going to do well, he's got the right mindset.

Speaker 2 1:28:59

Oh yeah, built like a brick shit house. Yeah, but a brick house, brick shit house. Kids like 30 or 32? He's 34.

Speaker 4 1:29:08

Yeah, he's going to buy a basic.

Speaker 5 1:29:10

He had to get a waiver. Yeah, he's going to basic. He's fucking going to airborne school, aerosol ranger school fucking selection.

Speaker 6 1:29:19

Is that in his contract, I believe he said it. I know he wants to. I don't know if it's in his contract. I believe it is.

Speaker 8 1:29:25

I believe it is. That reminds me of that guy. He was a commissioned officer and he they told him that they were going to force retire him or something. He was like fuck that. And he left and came back and had to go to basic training.

Speaker 4 1:29:38

Yeah, so all over again, All over again.

Speaker 8 1:29:40

And he finished basic training, army basic training, at like 56.

Speaker 5 1:29:44

What are you trying to say, motherfucker? What, yeah? What are you trying to say, motherfucker? I had a guy that came saying that you're old as fuck.

Speaker 8 1:29:50

That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 1:29:51

I had a guy that did like six years. The Navy was in my boot camp and graduated. He got like a liberal stack.

Speaker 8 1:29:57

Damn.

Speaker 2 1:29:58

You know what he regret. But he graduated as a PFC and he was like an E four or an E five. The Navy was an E two coming out of the Marines and boot camp, yeah, but he had like six seven ribbons Damn. They were leaving like six years. It was nuts Like. Why would you?

Speaker 8 1:30:12

switch. It's always funny seeing.

Speaker 2 1:30:13

He hated it.

Speaker 8 1:30:14

It's always funny seeing some people's like ribbon stacks, because how to see? You know, most of our listeners are probably military, but for the ones that aren't our ribbon stacks are basically a resume that we wear on our chest. Any veteran can look at your ribbon stack and see where you've been, possibly like a timeframe, like you know all that stuff For sure.

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Speaker 8 1:30:37

So like if you know what they all mean, if they, if you know what they all mean, but one of the funniest events, one of the funniest times that I saw somebody's ribbon stack, was a chaplain that really, really admire, really really respect, and his name is Ben Mathis. I don't know what his rank is anymore he's probably a Lieutenant Commander at this point but he's, he's a Navy chaplain. And, uh, he was a Marine before he became a chaplain, and so the running joke was that he was stacking bodies before he was saving them. That's pretty good. That's pretty good, but I'll never forget the day that I figured out he was a Marine.

Speaker 4 1:31:23

I was like oh shit.

Speaker 2 1:31:25

You know, that's what we do Stack bodies, kiss babies and drink beer. Drink beer, all right well we're going to, we're going to bounce off this one for this week. So we appreciate everybody listening in. We'll, we'll get back with you guys here next week.

Speaker 5 1:31:42

Hold on. Before we do that, I have a correction. The last podcast I talked about my dude and I called him Nick Nickerson. His name is Jason Nickerson, we called him Nick and I believe his dad's name was Nick Nickerson, so I got that screwed up. I did reach out to him and tell him to check out the podcast and I just want to make sure. Hey, I better do these corrections too. I'm like Nick. I love you, bro, love you. I can't wait to get up to Traverse City and see you again, be easy.

Speaker 1 1:32:15

Thank you for joining us at soup sandwich. A podcast that explores the complex and compelling world of veterans in the United States through interviews with veterans themselves. Military experts and advocates will dive deep into the issues that matter most to this community, from mental health and employment to the history of the U? S military, the future of military service and everything in between. Whether you're a veteran yourself, a spouse or family member of a veteran, or simply interested in learning more about this community, this podcast is for you. So come with us on a journey into the heart of the veteran experience and discover the stories, struggles and triumphs that have shaped our nation's brave after they've returned home.