Soup Sandwich
Welcome to Soup Sandwich, a podcast that explores the complex and compelling world of veterans in the United States. Through interviews with veterans themselves, military experts, and advocates, we'll dive deep into the issues that matter most to this community, from mental health and employment, to the history of veterans in the US and the future of military service. This podcast is supported by the generous contribution of the members of VFW Post 3033.
Soup Sandwich
From Battlefields to Backyards: Uniting Veterans' Voices on Combat, Community, and the Civilian Stride
As the sun set over Post 3033 VFW, I couldn't help but reflect on the profound journey from military boots to civilian shoes, one that all of us at the Soup Sandwich podcast know all too well. We're peeling back the layers of duty and life after service, from discussing the raw emotions linked to combat experiences in Iraq, to wading through the murky waters of international relations and the contentious politics that shape our veteran lives. With the comradery that can only be fostered under fire, my co-hosts and I share laughs, swap stories of ingenuity in the face of insufficient armor, and bring personal insights into the evolution of enemy tactics that kept us on our toes in places like Ramadi and Scania.
Imagine the hearty Wisconsin hunters joining forces with veterans and a Purple Heart recipient in the event Red Dawn happens in real life —in this episode, it's our reality as Roy Thomas joins us, adding depth to our tales. In the true spirit of the Soup Sandwich, we tackle topics with a mix of military rigor and civilian curiosity, musing over everything from the potency of Wisconsin's hunters to the peculiarities of Harley Davidson purchases. The diversity of our discussions mirrors life's unpredictable nature, and that's just how we like it. We traverse through debates on the nuances of geopolitics, the ever-evolving landscape of warfare, and even pause to appreciate the stories etched into military badges.
To wrap it up, we take a moment to honor the melting pot of experiences and opinions that is the veteran community. Our mission goes beyond the microphone as we highlight critical issues facing our fellow servicemen and women, from mental health to the struggle for gainful employment. And just when you think we've covered it all, we whisk you away to AJ's Sky Lounge for some final, unscripted banter. It's an episode of the Soup Sandwich podcast where every moment is steeped in authenticity, and every story is served with a side of real life—seasoned with a hint of humor, of course.
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War is a paradox. It has the power to bring nations together, to inspire heroism and sacrifice and to forge bonds of camaraderie that will span a lifetime, but it also has the power to tear families apart, to shatter communities and to leave scars that will never fully heal. And, for those who have served, the transition back to civilian life can be one of the greatest challenges they will ever face. This is the typical life of military veterans, a world that is both familiar and foreign to most of us. It is a world that is shaped by unique experiences, values and traditions of the military and by the sacrifices and struggles of those who have served, but it's also a world that is constantly changing, as new generations of veterans confront new challenges and new opportunities. Thank you for joining us at Soup Sandwich. Dig your foxhole, heat up your MRE and spend some time with us.
Speaker 1:This podcast is designed solely for entertainment and, occasionally, informational purposes only, and is to be regarded strictly as satire. Comprising of veterans, it delves into their thoughts and experiences in combat, as well as their perspectives on various aspects of daily life that may be unsettling for certain listeners. This podcast is not suitable for individuals under the age of 18. The views articulated in this podcast may not necessarily align with those of the National VFW VFW Department of Michigan or VFW Post 3033. Additionally, we kindly request that listeners refrain from pursuing legal action against the creators or contributors of this podcast. In other words, please don't sue us.
Speaker 2:What's going on, everybody? Welcome to another episode of Soup Sandwich. Got a few friends around the table. We'll start with me, since I'm the most important. I'm Brett Holbrook, founder of the Soup Sandwich podcast. Member of Post 3033 VFW. Let's go this way around the table.
Speaker 3:Trey Porter, post member 3033. I'm also the vice president of the Post 33 Writers Group. Also, I have the honorary distinction of being the most handsome member of Post 3033. You're running a close second, roy.
Speaker 4:I'm Roy Thomas, just a member of the VFW, Post 3033. First time welcome Thanks.
Speaker 8:Purple Heart, by the way.
Speaker 5:Winner? I don't think that's a winner.
Speaker 8:Purple Heart awarded recipient.
Speaker 5:I'm Charlie Klein, life member at Post 3333 and the Writers Group president, sound of freedom.
Speaker 3:Sound of freedom early tonight, cracking those pepsis early, that's right.
Speaker 8:I'm Tim Arteby. I'm the Post Commander. Director of the Writers Group of Michigan, district Commander and founder of my Ass Okay.
Speaker 7:I'm Joseph Gates, the head agent for Post 3333, and all around nerd.
Speaker 3:All around, nerd, he's embracing it.
Speaker 5:We got both nerds tonight, it's great.
Speaker 2:One and two. I'm going to jump back real quick to the winning the Purple Heart Same thing. I hate it when people say you know, this guy won the Medal of Honor. Fucking win that shit.
Speaker 5:None of us won it.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Damn Throw a large ship badge.
Speaker 4:What Enemy marksmanship?
Speaker 6:Oh fuck.
Speaker 7:I've never heard of a call that before I haven't either.
Speaker 2:That's pretty good. I'll have to tell Terry that Kind of reminds me of you. Guys might remember who was that said this, but you know, our job is not to die for our country but to make the other bastard die for his George.
Speaker 8:Patton.
Speaker 2:Yeah, of course.
Speaker 4:Little Patton.
Speaker 2:Oh shit.
Speaker 6:So what are we?
Speaker 2:talking about tonight.
Speaker 5:Gentlemen, Well, I think first of all, since this is Roy's first podcast tonight, why don't you tell us a little bit about your service, where you were at things you did, the good, the bad, the ugly, what brought?
Speaker 8:you to the post.
Speaker 5:We're going to break you in right out the gate.
Speaker 8:We're going to throw all the hardship at you. That's where we get moving on.
Speaker 5:That way, anybody knew this listening kind of gets a feel, for you know they've heard us talk a million times.
Speaker 4:I graduated high school 2001 from Mone Pleasants. That night I was on a plane to San Diego. Back then Michigan, you still had the choice of San Diego. You could go to either San Diego or Paris Island. You still had the choice. So obviously you know, we went to San Diego. I went in on a buddy program. I have a, my best friend from high school. We left that night. We were on a plane to San Diego. Went to bootcamp June. So I graduated bootcamp August 31st 2001. Came home for 10 days of leave. Flew back to California September 10th 2001.
Speaker 3:What a great fucking time. Oh, I was going to say what a great year.
Speaker 4:You were in school of infantry I had to check in to SOI on September 11th 2001. I remember we flew back to California. You know we were just drinking waters and stuff at the hotel, you know, because it was cold enough. It was like five o'clock in the morning somewhere in there and like our cell phones just started blowing up and I mean you know cell phone back then Early, still kind of primitive, but like we just bought them, you know like the 10th and stuff.
Speaker 4:but uh, man, like our, they just started blowing up and I remember, you know, I answered and it was my mom and she was just like in tears, you know. She's like what's going to happen? We were like what's going on?
Speaker 8:We had no idea.
Speaker 4:We were not even awake yet. Uh, you know, they told us to turn on TV, so we cranked on the TV and we were just like, oh shit, yeah, you know, just got an eye opening.
Speaker 5:you know, like I was actually on a 25 miler out at 29 palms. Oh guys, his phones were ringing while we were hiking and that's how we found people calling from East Coast, calling the West Coast. You know, my wife got woke up at, you know, six o'clock in the morning, 5, 30 in the morning.
Speaker 5:She was out there and she was, yeah, she was in California with me and then you know everybody back here it's 9 30. So it's three hours bad until six 30, whatever. There, you know, the first planes were hitting. She had no freaking idea, man. So I I get it Like what's going on. What do you mean?
Speaker 4:So we turned it on. You know, and just watching it and I don't like a little panic set in, you know, you're 18 years old, you're, you know, all the way across the country and just starting on this new and journey, you just got a boot camp. You know that was treacherous, you know, at the beginning. And then obviously you go, you graduate, become marine, and now you got to go check into your school and it's almost that that repetitive. Like you made it to the, you know, the top line of like boot camp. Now you're starting all over at S O I to learn a whole new field. So you're jumping back in, you know, to another big pond and so you have no idea what's going on.
Speaker 4:So we go and we check into S O I and it was just chaos there. You know all the instructors are. I mean they're running around the yelling and screaming and they're like, oh, you boys better get off training. You can't cause you could be gone tomorrow, like we're going to war and just sheer chaos. But I ended up going, got through S O I, went to a unit to force like I'm tying fourth Marines. We were attached to the fifth Marines in San Mateo. You know, go into some history there. The fourth Marines are never allowed to fly their colors, their regimental colors, in the United States again. That's why the fourth Marine regimental building is in Okinawa.
Speaker 6:Japan.
Speaker 4:But so for Marines are attached to different infantry units here stateside. So we were attached to the fifth Marines and lo and behold, I mean we went to Okinawa in 2002. I was supposed to come back in 03. We were in Korea doing some training and the war ended up kicking off around then. So they did a stop, a stop move on. The whole military Ended up, you know, spent another six months in Okinawa, did some time on ship, some training in Tinian and Tinian Guam, and came home in January of 03 and went and did a mountain warfare training package, because at that time we started thinking we were, or, while we were, it was on the radar that we were heading to the mountains of Afghanistan.
Speaker 4:And then, february 04, we got shipped to Iraq. We flew into Kuwait, did some acclimatizations there and shoveled up to Avramadi, iraq. And then a fateful day of April 6th, april 6th 2004. Sheared chaos.
Speaker 4:We stepped out on the MSR suite and, you know, immediately we found an IED buried and we called for EOD, you know which was SOP, and they came back and they were swamped already. It was just it ended up being like a coordinated attack from, you know, the opposing forces and they just started hitting Iraq. So they came on the radio and said hey, if you guys take care of it, move on. So you know we detonated it and kept moving on. Then we found another one. We did a you know a HD 360 for security to try, and you know, just gather and go from there. But we went through the tank graveyard which was just an area on the MSR suite. We had a sniper team out there, you know, hidden, and we got down around that second IED and the snipers radioed on the you know on the radio there that their position was compromised and they were taking fire. One of the squads went back and, as soon as they got into the area, all hell broke loose.
Speaker 4:I mean all the gunfire, and we heard it, and then we started taking gunfire. I jump up on the road, combat engineer follows with me and we start shooting cover fire and we take a squad to a house. We had a couple guys on some lookout posts but ended up having to go get them.
Speaker 8:We took the house.
Speaker 4:We were just fighting to defend the house and next thing I know a hangar in AED lands two feet from my left foot and I grabbed my radio operator or my right foot. I grabbed my waiter operator. I tell him to run and push him out of the way. I talked my Kevlar and talk my M16 down the side of my leg and got blown up by a hangar here I am today, so pretty intense. What are you 19 then?
Speaker 7:2004. No 21. 21?.
Speaker 5:It's crazy, especially looking back. Now we're in our 40s.
Speaker 4:I think that was 20 years ago. Some of us Me.
Speaker 8:So you were two months in country About, about, yeah.
Speaker 7:Well glad to have you, man Glad you had it back home, thanks.
Speaker 5:And I know how much pride you got for your battalion, the guys that you served with. That battle in Ramadi was horrendous. I mean, that's a famous battle. You know what I mean. Then they had to go back, take it again. Right, you know what I mean. So we took it once, gave it back up and then had to take it again.
Speaker 4:So I couldn't imagine, you know we lost. So in the seven month deployment we lost 34 Marines, one sail Like it was catastrophic. So it would be our junior Marines, you know, as they come up to senior Marines. When you know, all of us guys got out they had to go back in 2006 to Ramadi. Yeah, I couldn't imagine having to go back to those battlegrounds where, so much you know, you lost so many of your brothers and shed so much blood. Yeah, you know, we had like over 250 wounded. It was just nasty.
Speaker 4:Yeah, so I couldn't imagine having to go back. Those guys didn't. I mean, they did well.
Speaker 5:Especially after you took it the first time.
Speaker 4:Right, they go back and do it again, you redo it all over.
Speaker 5:You know it's got to be one heartbreaking, but two, it's got to piss you off. It's got to give you a different set of motivational butter. Once again, though, you're fighting a face. Well, you're fighting the kind of demons that you left. Right, you know what I mean. You left, and now you got to go back.
Speaker 4:That's got to be, Right, you know, but almost at the same time, as it's almost like going home. You know you spend so much time there, you know, and as combat veterans and stuff like that Hunger, you know, once you've had, you know that experience, that adrenaline, you know there's, there's nothing else to compare, so to get to go back and do it again, you know it fills that need, that quest, that thirst.
Speaker 3:I was a. I was in a muddy Shit Quite a few years after you were. It was 2000 and 2009, 2009, 2010, give or take. I was there. I did spend three months in the mighty and boy you got his purple heart there.
Speaker 5:Paper cut yeah, hey, there's.
Speaker 3:No, we, we it was. I was the first time I was in Iraq. I was in Scania, place called Scania. I was there for a year, well, actually fucking 15 months. They extended us the cut centers and did you get caught up in that? So you were there about the same time.
Speaker 5:I was there in 06 Tim skate. Yeah, 06 07. Yeah.
Speaker 3:And they extended, extended us, but anyways, and we got rocked quite a bit when we were there.
Speaker 4:It's nasty.
Speaker 3:Morders, rockets, rockets, yep when I was at them and Rustam Maya, they called it rocket Maya, rocket Maya.
Speaker 8:And then murder Ritaville.
Speaker 3:And then this, the second time I went, I spent three months in Romani and fuck it reminded me of being back in in Scania. We were getting, we were getting mortared, fucking taking fire on the five. Yeah, it was nuts, nuts. I remember I woke up in the middle of that was like what was that.
Speaker 3:And I was in. This is my second time being in Iraq, so I have those dreams of fucking getting mortared and everything else all the time. So I figured I was just dreaming. So I was getting ready to lay back down and one of my soldiers popped their head in my tube and was like sorry to bother Get to the bunker. I was like, oh shit, that was real. And then that's when we were taking fire on the five I don't know if there was there was an overpass or something over there, by by, where our shoes were, something where they were able to get a beat on us and see, us from up.
Speaker 4:Well, the problem for us was I mean, we were, we were right across the street from there was like some college you know, right on MSR Michigan, you know which was a main supplier out there. But you know, early on and they just drove around and pickup trucks with you know motor vehicles and they would just drive and circle around the base and just kept launching. I mean they mortared us all the time. Yeah, all the time.
Speaker 3:Love to be from the army was pretty big. That was huge. I mean there was, I guess, a blessing that it was so big on Ramadi that that hard to hit us Not, you know, it's not like they didn't hit us, but they, they. It was a lot harder than those where I was at and in Scania. Scania was this big. I mean it was tiny and fuck those fucking getting us all the time All the time that's fishing a barrel, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4:So well so when we were over there, when we went, we didn't have a my up armored harm bees.
Speaker 5:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4:We had soft top humvees and for for the seven tons we made, we took two sheets of OSB and row of sandbags in the middle on the ratchet strapped together like that was the protection for the troops. Back to the seven times. We didn't have any, any protection. You know our motor pool found a bunch of old steel, you know, and they just cut out. You know, door frames, you know, to fit inside but there was no latches. So as you're, you know you're driving down on the home V I mean you're chicken wing in that door to keep it shut because there was just no locks or anything like. We had to make all of our own armor and protection stuff for our vehicles. It was stupid. You should never, you know, send our forces over.
Speaker 8:Yeah, but they didn't know what they were going to end to. Right, they didn't right.
Speaker 4:Initially. You know we went over for SAS emissions.
Speaker 8:You know security and stability operations, but that was far from it, like I think when I was there, the majority of conflicts, battles, whatever you want to call Usually it was EFPs or roadside bombs, right, I mean, there was a couple of missions that they did where they took some gunfire and stuff like that, but the majority of it was mortars, rockets, efps and IEDs.
Speaker 4:Yeah, so I mean IEDs, you know were early on. You know, even even through our deployment, you know they were super primitive, you know, and two wires and you know, and a battery and stuff, but even you could, you could see their progression. You know, by the end of the deployment and you know they were able to detonate them remotely.
Speaker 8:You know, so they could get further away.
Speaker 4:You know, because when we would find IEDs early on, you know we'd just follow, you know the wires and you'd find like some little makeshift hole or something and you know a battery and they'd just be sitting there. But you know, later on they were able to do it. Cell phone, garage door, you know openers and stuff like that. There's this one place that.
Speaker 8:I don't know what platoon did it, but they raided it, they did a mission and when they went into it they had a garage and they had a full size Humvee with the Rhino on the wall, so that they knew how big the Humvee was, how far out the Rhino stood, so that they could set up their EFPs at the right level so the Rhino wouldn't set it off or whatever. It was pretty, I mean.
Speaker 5:They adapted well, but you learn through your mistakes right. So you know, as much as we don't think their technology is as good as ours, it obviously wasn't. You know what?
Speaker 6:I mean.
Speaker 4:But they could make definitely not lack of effort for them, yeah.
Speaker 5:What they had, they made it work Right. You know what I mean.
Speaker 4:They found a way to shoot for shit. Well, I mean, they adapted. No I mean they fire from the hip all the time.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 4:I mean, they adapted through the times and you know even the mistake they made is they fucked with the USA?
Speaker 8:Sure, now it's our answer.
Speaker 5:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:We've been itching for that for a few decades that mother fuckers yeah. We've known forever. You know that they've backed. Well, what do they do now? They're backing the Houthis, right yeah, and they back countless other terrorist regimes. Always back the.
Speaker 5:Coutis the.
Speaker 8:Coutis, the Coutis.
Speaker 1:The Coutis is what I'm back, back the.
Speaker 8:Coutis all the time.
Speaker 5:Oh, houthis, yeah, I don't know. Yeah, fuck those guys, fuck them all.
Speaker 2:Now we're fucking them up too, because you know we've taken down a number of those drones and stuff, but we've been launching all kinds of fricking sorties and hundreds of their targets just gone.
Speaker 3:I don't know what. I don't know what any anybody is thinking when they decide to do something against us because we're going to come in and we're going to fucking kill everybody. We are and I don't know what the hell they're thinking when they do what they do. And I mean I get their sentiment right and I'm sure they feel it's a noble and just cause.
Speaker 2:At least on their side.
Speaker 3:On their side. Yes, I'm sure they feel that way, but let's be honest.
Speaker 5:It's not the smartest move.
Speaker 2:Well, in the words of the late great Toby Keith we'll put a boot in their ass because that's the American way.
Speaker 6:Oh shit.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I don't. I just don't understand, like I ran, what they're thinking they're thinking they're God. You know a lot of us are going to Listen. That's the last country over there we pretty much got to deal with, and that's Saudi. Yeah Well, there are allies, right.
Speaker 8:Really.
Speaker 2:Aren't they Okay? Yeah, well, they're not openly and rebelling against us either, so you can say that yeah.
Speaker 3:I know If you're convinced.
Speaker 8:I'm not convinced. No, hell.
Speaker 3:No, I'm not convinced.
Speaker 8:Yeah, because I think they had a young prince called fish food. I mean, what was his name? I even forgot Osama bin Laden. Oh yeah the bin Laden guy. I was thinking Obama bin Laden, but I call him fish food, so they had fish food there. He was a Saudi prince, right.
Speaker 3:Something like that.
Speaker 8:Well, he was a Saudi billionaire, yeah somehow he's backed.
Speaker 3:You know who he's backed by.
Speaker 2:And then what was the line that they tried to try to float, Like he was a CIA operative or some shit for a while. And supposedly air quotes. Supposedly that's how he got his training. I don't know that is the Well I understand, didn't he fight?
Speaker 8:He fought the Russians. Yeah, that's what.
Speaker 3:I was saying he fought the Russians.
Speaker 2:I don't think he did. All right, let's look up the Wikipedia page. Hold on a second and here goes the so here.
Speaker 3:Here's the group that was fighting the Russians was God damn that wasn't the group.
Speaker 8:I know.
Speaker 6:Fighting wasn't in the 80s.
Speaker 3:The.
Speaker 7:Russian huge bash.
Speaker 4:I wasn't like Afghanistan or Russia or back in the 80s. Yeah, you gotta take a phone call.
Speaker 8:That was one. Rocky was on or it's going to go. It's golden we're getting. We can't have radio silence.
Speaker 2:Well, I'm looking, I'm looking it up.
Speaker 7:Been letting again providing financial logistical support Islamic fighters by the Soviets in late 1979.
Speaker 8:There you go. That's why we got a Joe.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's from FBIgov yeah that's why we got a Joe. What is it?
Speaker 7:What is it? The the Russians?
Speaker 3:were fighting who?
Speaker 7:the Islamic fighters as well.
Speaker 6:So I'm freedom fighters.
Speaker 8:No, no, there was a name for that group. I just don't remember the name.
Speaker 2:But basically they were.
Speaker 8:Islamic and they were fighters.
Speaker 4:So I'm the tip of my Right but the Muhaj, yeah, the Mojideen, mojideen. Yeah, we fought them, you know, in Iraq.
Speaker 3:Yeah, well, they turned into the Mojideen, turned into Al Qaeda. Yeah, morphed into yeah.
Speaker 4:Right, so there's. I think you know the is the Islam is, you know, an umbrella to so many of these in, you know these individual groups that want the religion of peace.
Speaker 3:Yeah, right, right so.
Speaker 2:What's interesting here? When you pull up the Al Qaeda Wikipedia page, they list a whole bunch of what they call allies and it says Pakistan, qatar, saudi Arabia and North Korea have all been alleged oh and Iran have all been alleged to be allies to the Al Qaeda group.
Speaker 8:Allegedly yeah.
Speaker 2:And of course they were all denied and probably serious.
Speaker 8:probably on there, mm, hmm.
Speaker 4:The whole Middle East territory yeah.
Speaker 2:Hezbollah Taliban the Houthis. Hezbollah Fucking Hamas. They're all.
Speaker 8:They're all considered the Israelis are kicking the shit out of them, boys.
Speaker 2:And I I heard that they found all those tunnels and they're just fucking flooding the tunnels with water from the Mediterranean.
Speaker 6:Yeah, they said they said fuck it, we're not.
Speaker 2:we're not wasting lives Filling the fucker up with water.
Speaker 6:That's not a bad idea.
Speaker 2:That's what. That's what I mean war is war.
Speaker 4:You know you're not there to you know obviously you know the smarter man's going to win, you know strategically. So if you can, if you can save lives and you know, flood them and use water, or, you know, push them that way like damn right. Yeah, exactly, you know.
Speaker 2:You know it's, it's it's saving, you know your troops and, and you know, you're not going to get the money Exactly, and I think we said it, maybe you Trey, maybe you said it last time. Anyway, like they had every opportunity to get Hamas out of that, out of out of power, out of that area. You know for how long, obviously, since this most recent activity, how long have they kind of lived in a relative state of peace Wasn't like the 80s.
Speaker 8:Wasn't there a bomb that hit a hotel in Palestine? Um, with the warhead Marines. That was Beirut, beirut.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it was like 83 or something. Yeah.
Speaker 8:Yeah, and we should have went in there and just apply, politely, asked them to leave. Look at there, we got. We got our nerd Joe the webmaster over here. Every time we ask a question he's over on his computer. Yep 83.
Speaker 2:Take long but now the Israeli president. You know we're we're doing all these fucking peace, trying to do these backdoor peace deals and hostage, you know, and that's all fine and good, don't get me wrong. I mean, if you know we can release a hostage, let's do it right. But at the same time they're asking him to back down and just relax and everything. Fuck that shit Right. You know, everybody was fine up until they flew in and attacked that music fest. Like go fuck yourselves, you know and listen to people.
Speaker 2:I mean I'm not going to say I'm an expert in foreign policy and all that other shit that's going on over there, because it's all religious. You know, it's all right. But, but at the same time, you guys live in a relative peace, despite your differences, and then you fucking do something like that. Yeah, you deserve what is coming, absolutely, 100%, absolutely. So go fuck yourselves.
Speaker 8:Well, much and there's. Israelis, don't play.
Speaker 6:They don't.
Speaker 2:Holy fuck, they don't.
Speaker 8:They're like hey, fuck you.
Speaker 3:Well there are a lot of women and children dying over there.
Speaker 8:And that's unfortunate.
Speaker 6:Absolutely. What do?
Speaker 2:they call that collateral damage, but who's kind of fucked up to say it? But is it the?
Speaker 4:Israelis Right. You always want to minimize, you know damage.
Speaker 8:But is it the Israelis fault or is it the Hamas's fault?
Speaker 3:Well, it's Israelis and Hamas.
Speaker 2:But Hamas pulled the trigger first, so ultimately the proxy listen and I get it.
Speaker 3:I do get it. I do get it and it's unfortunate that these kids, like I see so many videos and pictures of kids dead, maimed whatever I understand.
Speaker 8:But do you? But you always only see it from the terrorist side, you see?
Speaker 3:Israeli, but are those people terrorists?
Speaker 8:Well, they're not, but the people they live with their husband, their brothers.
Speaker 4:So after you, I'd say a majority are not, but I do know with our time in Iraq. You know we were attacked by, you know, women and children. You know I've got a couple buddies, you know, that were blown up, you know by hangar and AIDS, by, you know kids walking right up to them and rich?
Speaker 8:Yeah, because we were not wired to just shoot little kids. No, we don't have to live that way over here, but they live that way for thousands of years.
Speaker 4:When we went out for patrol. You know we always asked, like any care packages you know, for hard candies because I mean a hundred plus degree.
Speaker 4:you know heat can have regular chocolate, you know melted or whatever. So we asked for hard candies. But you know we would stuff our cargo pockets before we went out on patrol and you know, as we walk through these villages and stuff, I mean we would just hand out these candies and make them friends. But you know, try and have these kids walk with us as far as they would, because of as long as you know those children were around, you know they wouldn't attack us, you know. So what they would end up doing is, you know they'd go through that village or whatever, you know, the night prior or so and said hey, stay clear, you know we're attacking US forces. So now you know we go through an early warning device.
Speaker 4:Now we go through and you know, all of a sudden, these children you know, you know that have followed us for several previous times. Now we know it's about to hit the fan. When it's quiet, that's when you know, right, you know the streets are dead, Nobody's out and about. Now we know something's about to go down.
Speaker 2:So the other. The other fucked up thing is you know, war is war. It's not a pretty thing, Right. It's a paradox.
Speaker 8:It's a paradox. Exactly, You're an intro. I was a little bit yeah he wasn't listening, fucker.
Speaker 2:I wrote that goddamn.
Speaker 7:I was just going to say an author for it.
Speaker 2:No but. But you know it's not a pretty thing. But over all these years, you know you've had generations and different iterations of what I don't know the word honorable warfare looks like right, we've outlawed countless types of warfare and fucking shit like that, but like child soldiers, right, internationally that is a denounced form of warfare, correct.
Speaker 8:Right there's, somebody didn't get the memo.
Speaker 2:Let's see, that's my point. Like you can't Africa.
Speaker 8:You can't have Somalia, exactly you can't, you can't have.
Speaker 2:you know this is going to kind of get into the whole like rules of engagement and shit too, but you can't have a joke.
Speaker 5:Let me guess that's going to be the second part.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, that's all. I'm one. But you can't have one way of warfare, right? That's my point. You can't have one way of warfare on one side, right, we always follow the Geneva conventions.
Speaker 5:But they were, we were in uniform.
Speaker 4:So right they don't right they don't.
Speaker 5:They don't fight by any rules or any.
Speaker 4:They're not, they're a faceless enemy. You know, they blend guerrilla warfare, so that's, that's my point.
Speaker 2:You know the how many times have they come out and said that? You know they found basically headquarters, shit in fucking hospitals and other places that are normally off limits to us, right? You know, and it's you know. We see that we're like fuck. Of course it was there you know like we knew that that's what they were doing, but anyway.
Speaker 8:I came up with an idea because I worked at the talk and I had to do that, stupid briefings with the battalion commander and all that bullshit, and we were talking about there's this one mosque, that that's what they were doing. They're putting their weapons in there, and then they'd go in and get their weapons and then they'd come out.
Speaker 4:Well, yeah, because the mosque are religious. Yeah, we're not supposed to, you know, enter those grounds.
Speaker 8:So I said, hey, you know what we should do because my mosque are religious and they're sacred. I said we should line all the way around that with Claymore Mines to protect the mosque and the Sarn Majors, like the colonels, like you know. I thought it was a good idea.
Speaker 6:What the fuck.
Speaker 8:Yeah, I mean the guys like us.
Speaker 4:that's a great idea, but yeah you go further up the ladder, you know when your colonels and all those guys are playing political chess for their future careers.
Speaker 3:You know, yep, exactly what it is.
Speaker 8:You know what did the general for their hundred first. Didn't he get? Didn't he get relieved? Because I think this one, they got Saddam's two sons because he shot a toe into a building, or something like that.
Speaker 2:Oh no, I know what it was.
Speaker 8:He, they were hiding in schools and one, and what they were trying to do is they're trying to teach the Iraqi police on how to do their mission and kept getting rocketed from this police station. So basically, the general said look, I don't know if you realize this, but we have counter mortars, right. We know where the rockets are coming from, right. Okay, so you're either going to stop it or we're going to call them order, and when we do this, we're not going to just hit where it comes from, we're going to hit a grid square. And that's kind of what they did. And that general got relieved.
Speaker 8:But I thought it was a good idea.
Speaker 2:Well, well, because what did? What did he get?
Speaker 8:really for, though, because they hit the grid, square school.
Speaker 2:It was a school, okay.
Speaker 6:Because it's gonna say he didn't say it.
Speaker 8:It's in the city, so I mean.
Speaker 5:but yeah, so he may not have a little kid with a backpack right up through our serpentine up to our front gate, right Yep.
Speaker 8:So, yeah, you may get another one where because I worked in the talk I could get on and they'd have the drones flying so I can watch it. And there's a patchy was out doing their patrols at night. They said, hey, it's curfew right After dark I knew nobody on the roads unless it's American forces. So all of a sudden you see this van stop, they jump out, they open up doors and the patchy you know pilots saying hey, we got a vehicle, three dismounts, they opened the door. I can't tell what that is. And then I see a flash of light. And then all of a sudden, on the other side of us there's a. He goes permission to engage.
Speaker 8:That was a mortar. And the guy, whoever he works with, said Did you see the mortar tube? He goes no, I didn't see the mortar to, but it was a mortar, I know it was a mortar. He's like he's like permission, doesn't need. And he's like Okay. So he followed it and then went around another little corner and stopped and the same thing. So he tried to get around and I'm watching this on with a drone, because the drone's now flying with him and he says it again and they says denied. And he's like Well, what kind of fucking shit is this? I'm off. And then the guy goes. The guy's like please use proper way.
Speaker 3:Oh man.
Speaker 5:Then I seen another drone. I'm surprised you just didn't say yeah, I saw the two.
Speaker 8:He shut up the second time around.
Speaker 5:Yeah, right, I mean I'm left of the verify or not verify Cause.
Speaker 8:Then I'd seen another one, and I don't know if this was on the internet or not, but it's funny.
Speaker 8:I've seen a couple of videos like that this was a cabin right and outside. They had a goal. Oh yeah, I'm serious, it was hard to. The dude comes out, he's got a weapon slung over his back and the cobra that's a pretty wicked buggy. Or the Apache Sorry, it's kind of saying my age there with the cover. The Apache is a pretty wicked buggy and it kind of was setting up there and and the pilots are talking, they're like oh no, oh no, yep, sure Not. The dude went up to the goat and I'm not gonna say what he did to the goat.
Speaker 5:And he's good to see you made it back Glad, oh man.
Speaker 3:So you know we're, we're. Where did you serve at over there in Iraq and Afghanistan or Afghanistan? Where were you?
Speaker 2:He's trying to set up a joke.
Speaker 3:No, I'm not, I'm being serious. So what happened is Jen got that call on 9 11. She said, charlie, it's time to go. And Charlie like hey, hey, hey, hey, yep, that's what happened. Hey, I did my, my two tours. I did my, did my turn.
Speaker 8:Well, we just like the hammer on you.
Speaker 3:Oh, I know, I know I've been shot at, I've been murdered. I got my, my uh combat, uh combat action badge. So I got the, I got the.
Speaker 4:I got the 100% to prove it. Is that what it is in the army? It's just a badge, not a ribbon.
Speaker 8:And there's two. There's a combat infantry badge If you're in love and serious, and then there's if you're not 11, if you're not 11 series, then it's a, it's a combat action badge.
Speaker 2:So participation trophy no no that's national defense.
Speaker 4:That's national defense.
Speaker 8:Yeah, I'll leave you a G Y yeah.
Speaker 2:True, that's true. No, um, I don't. I don't know anything about y'all's badges, so good, quit talking.
Speaker 5:Hey, don't, don't you guys get a ribbon or something for grenades?
Speaker 4:Man, they get everything. They do Basically training.
Speaker 5:If you throw a grenade, you get something, oh yeah.
Speaker 3:I forgot about that. I forgot about that.
Speaker 7:Yeah, we get a marksmanship.
Speaker 3:Well, it depends. Marksmanship for grenades, and one for your name and one for military. There's a grenade um 60 gunner.
Speaker 8:Well, now it's 240. But when I was there I just showed my age again Grenade, 60 gunner pistol rifle. And then there's even a driver's badge. But the thing is, with the badge let's say you're expert in everything. There's just a ladder that hangs off it, so you don't have to wear five different.
Speaker 3:And as a matter of fact, if I'm not mistaken, uh, used to be.
Speaker 8:You might not be able to.
Speaker 3:You can only put so many over there. You know, like, if you're, if you're expert in rifle um grenade, your marksmen and right, you know, I think you can only have three or cross Three across. You can put there.
Speaker 5:Yeah, so, so obviously you're going to put your highest award. Yeah, right, right.
Speaker 2:Now, marine Corps, you can do four across, can't you? But you, you have to like stagger them, don't you Cause eventually, you know, are you talking about the ribbons, though?
Speaker 8:Yeah, we're talking about it as a badge. It's like a metal badge Looking up Joe, the Marine Corps has them too.
Speaker 5:They got, uh, pistol and rifle, and then, if you're on the shooting team, right, there's a special one, but you got to be on the shooting team to get that one. So there's technically three, but typically everybody only has one. We don't have. Some people have two of you, you have to have them.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so those are the badges down at the bottom. Up top are the ribbons. Yeah, which let me see that.
Speaker 4:Uh, can a Marine Corps only step in seal an officer's? That's why I get this.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I got it when I was at Fast Company. Yeah, oh well, you were a special.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I don't remember.
Speaker 2:Yeah, navy we have the warfare devices, we don't have badges, and that was another thing that I thought was dumb as fuck.
Speaker 8:Uh, m 60 machine gun is a crew served weapon. Correct, yep, it's not an individual weapon, crew served yeah.
Speaker 7:So for the longest time.
Speaker 8:I figured our 60 gunner. What happens at 60? Jammed or it, the firing train breaks or something it goes down. How does he defend himself, right he?
Speaker 4:should have. He should have a sidearm.
Speaker 8:That's what I said and they said, nope, it's not on your Tone, Because we were. We were a scout platoon and we had a driver with an M 16. The TC had a 203 and then the 60 gunner. So the 60 gunner, we were the team I would. The TC was the spotter, the driver was the AG and then the gunner's the gunner Right, and I'm like well, what happens if the Jeep gets blown? I just did it again. What happens if the vehicle gets blown up? The Jeep, the Jeep. What happens if the Jeep gets blown up and we have to start humping? That dude doesn't has, he has nothing to nothing to protect himself with.
Speaker 2:And they were like that.
Speaker 8:That's just the way it's set up and I'm like, well, it's pretty fucking stupid, but what do we know, right?
Speaker 3:Roy, you were talking about when you had to make your own armor for your Humvees when you were there. You guys remember there was a soldier that said something to the secretary of defense at the time and I believe it was. Who's that goofy guy? Yeah, Rumpfell. Rumpfell, there you go Rumpfell and kind of embarrassed him in front of the world and, you know, western media, and that's when we start getting flooded with up armored Humvees.
Speaker 4:Well, good, because we never should have been sent over with anything less.
Speaker 3:Yeah, none at all yeah, what the fuck were they thinking Exactly?
Speaker 5:What the fuck were they thinking? When I was in guitar, we had a goddamn Humvee, broke the fan blade. Put it over here. We only had two. One of them are 19 on top and one of them are 50 cal on top. Luckily we had a goddamn farmer from Missouri or some shit Went out and found some scrap, fixed the fan blades because the fan blades are plastic. He's caught enough tin metal, bolted the shit together to get that thing up and running, so we had it for the rest of the mission. You know, crazy, we didn't have extra parts, we couldn't get them Right, so we would have been down. Yeah, we would have been down. Yeah, there was a big time cruiser weapon, the unit that we ripped, they left and we came in.
Speaker 8:They had a thing called a chuka plate and it was something that the maintenance shop made up. Basically, what it was is because at that time we didn't have the up arm or neither, but they put like a rail, like a half a picture frame or three quarters of a picture frame on there Right. They had metal and they just slid it down inside the thing, so it was an extra padding for the door Right and they called it chuka plate because the dude that it was named after was killed by an EFP, because EFPs are totally different than the roadside bombs.
Speaker 3:What is chuka? That was his name. Yeah, that was his name.
Speaker 8:Chuka. All right, staff, sergeant Chuka. They're totally different than a roadside bomb and basically it's a can you can take and the way they made them was a coffee can, packed them with gun powder or gun powder, and then they put metal on them which, if it's curved in, it's concave right, if it's curved out, it's concave. Well, this is concave. So then when they detonated, it shoots that and that concave, and as it shoots, it comes from here, then it comes into like a point and when it hits the vehicle it burns through the plate and then it just throws shit all the way through the rest of the vehicle. And the Iranians did it with copper and then were the bad motherfuckers.
Speaker 8:Staff Sergeant.
Speaker 7:Chuka, yeah, dispers it.
Speaker 8:And that was our big thing was the EFPs?
Speaker 4:Yeah, when we kept finding roadside IEDs. Once you get it stable and stuff to peel the dirt off and get to look at it, you'd find so much shrapnel, nails, angle iron, whatever they could find that they just threw on top of it. When it detonated it just sent so much shrapnel, Just mass destruction.
Speaker 8:That was like allegedly I don't know if you, I know it's common knowledge in Vietnam they would take gasoline drums, they'd put tide in it, or laundry to turn it, to thicken it up, and then they would wrap it with Bob wire or a Constantina wire. They just wrap it and then they would put C4 on the backside, run it back, detonate it with a clicker.
Speaker 3:Clicker.
Speaker 8:Yeah, clacker, clacker. There you go, clacker, and one of my platoon sergeant said it was really cool he goes because they're easy to shoot when they're on fire. That's like what, oh man?
Speaker 7:So they smell bad, though, yeah, they smell bad, but it just lets you know how old Tim is.
Speaker 3:He's got a platoon sergeant that was in Vietnam.
Speaker 8:Hell. All my squad leaders were from Vietnam.
Speaker 3:Really.
Speaker 8:Shit.
Speaker 3:I actually. Well, you went in what late 80s.
Speaker 5:Was it late 80s, early 90s. It was late 80s Early.
Speaker 3:80s Early 80s.
Speaker 5:Oh yeah, we were all shooting green. I think it's the same here, yeah.
Speaker 8:Well, I went in in 1983.
Speaker 3:Believe it or not, I was in Korea in fuck. What year was I there? 2002? I guess I went over there give or take and my platoon sergeant was fucking in Vietnam. He was in Vietnam, so he got out of Vietnam and then, right before he was right at the cutoff age, like maybe 35 or some- shit like that.
Speaker 8:Yeah, I think that's what was back then. And then came back in and he was probably 50 then. So, and he was in.
Speaker 3:Vietnam. He couldn't believe it. Aiden Bird, that was his name. Yeah, he showed me a picture of himself when he was in Vietnam. There was he was one of those guys that were going over the Laos, you know, going over the border in the Laos.
Speaker 8:Okay, okay, let's stop.
Speaker 3:It wasn't allegedly, allegedly, allegedly.
Speaker 8:We had no US troops in Cambodia or Laos as Terry and Sun Tso in Vietnam. Okay, let's just get that clear.
Speaker 3:He had. He had showed me a picture he had long hair Long, yeah, I mean, it was, you know, maybe down to his ear in a big bushy mustache. I was like damn, the fucking 70s were way different Very different back then.
Speaker 5:So do you imagine going you know that long without being able to get a haircut?
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, that's what it was right. Yeah, exactly, he didn't have anything. It's like you were just out there.
Speaker 5:Yeah, it's not like you're going to go. Oh, I put a pack of Parasympathies.
Speaker 8:Yeah, I put a couple of Parasympathies. I put a couple of Parasympathies with me.
Speaker 6:I'll get rid of a pair of underwear for my scissors, so you keep my red hair cut yeah.
Speaker 5:Oh man.
Speaker 3:Jesus Christ. That's what I liked about when I served with with special operations those fuckers.
Speaker 8:This did what they wanted to do.
Speaker 3:Fucking fool beards and everything else.
Speaker 8:Well, they got to look like the population.
Speaker 3:Yeah, is that why you did it? Yeah, so you're getting to look like the Alla brothers. Once they, once they, once they invade America, once they invade America.
Speaker 8:You're safe.
Speaker 3:I'm safe.
Speaker 8:So you can go.
Speaker 3:Say Asala alaikum yeah.
Speaker 8:So you can go down to Dearborn and be just how to hang out.
Speaker 3:I would be, I would be just fine in Dearborn, absolutely.
Speaker 7:Get him a man dress and let's put that on the test.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I would. I would be just fine. I believe I would.
Speaker 2:All right. So here's the dumb question, because I don't know this about you Can you speak Arabic? Motherfucker, this guy. How much Arabic do you know?
Speaker 3:I know, I know none, I mean I know, which means that you literally said Asala alaikum.
Speaker 5:Oh, oh yeah.
Speaker 2:So how the fuck am I supposed to know?
Speaker 3:That. Well, I'm not Arabic. I know that.
Speaker 2:I just didn't know, if you like, took a fucking night class.
Speaker 8:You know I was in fucking Iraq for two and a half years of my fucking life.
Speaker 3:You pick up the minimum.
Speaker 4:You're bound to pick up some stop.
Speaker 3:He knows what Asala alaikum means.
Speaker 7:Peace be on you, brother, peace be on you that in the fucking While they come to love.
Speaker 3:That's the fucking greeting. Stop. It's when you go.
Speaker 2:How do you say suck my cock? You trying to go to Dearborn Not exactly sure Bratton.
Speaker 6:Bratton wants to hear about the gold story.
Speaker 5:He cares about what really happened to that goat.
Speaker 8:Well, I don't know what happened to the goat, the goat and the dude didn't end up well.
Speaker 5:It's amazing they ended up in some pink mist.
Speaker 4:Yes, yes, pretty much Maybe the pilot was a little bit jealous. Maybe Fine getting none.
Speaker 7:No one's getting none there. Yeah, yeah, damn.
Speaker 6:This went down real quick.
Speaker 2:You asked him if he spoke Arabic.
Speaker 5:See the rabbit hole. Let's go back to how we were talking about Iran.
Speaker 3:And they're about to get a, a nice taste of freedom, nice bucket of freedom coming their way. But there's not and I was, I was, I was reading an article or listen to do a news story about. There is not a country in this world, not even China, that can invade America. They don't have the infrastructure, they just can't do it. Well, you gotta remember, like like the United States is like four.
Speaker 5:German is big. Yeah, you know what I mean. So if you land on the East Coast, you're going to be in the middle of the country, you know what?
Speaker 6:I mean.
Speaker 5:So if you land on the East Coast, it'd be three months by the time you get to the other side, and that's if you pretty much walked all the way through, yeah, and you're talking about Americans where we have like how many guns?
Speaker 8:I don't have a lot.
Speaker 5:It is literally like one per person. They've said three hundred and eighty million, I think it's more.
Speaker 3:I think it's more. I think it's like two or three guns for every person in the world.
Speaker 2:They've said that we have. We have it's Googling. Yeah, yeah, it's Googling.
Speaker 5:It's right on par with our population of three hundred and eighty six million.
Speaker 8:Well, you know, that's the reason we want to give our guns away.
Speaker 7:Wisconsin's hunters alone is the A-Farcus army in the world Just the hunters in Wisconsin.
Speaker 8:Yeah, yeah, p-8.
Speaker 5:Well, it's the largest. There was that old shame. What the fuck.
Speaker 3:Imagine if throw Michigan in there Fuck.
Speaker 8:When Roy gets back, we'll ask him. We'll ask him what's the eighth largest army of the world? Well, the other, he's got to get it wrong.
Speaker 2:The other thing to say is the fucking Japanese admiral or some shit Right. They were asked why they didn't invade America and he said because there's, you know, a gun behind, there's a barrel behind every blade of grass.
Speaker 5:But that's actually. I don't think that's really what it is. That was something somebody had made up, but it was something I'd part with that.
Speaker 8:So we're talking about why America doesn't get invaded. You know what the eight Roy's back. By the way, you know what the eighth largest army in the world is?
Speaker 4:Probably the American people.
Speaker 7:Close Wisconsin's hunters.
Speaker 5:Alone.
Speaker 7:Wisconsin's hunters. I believe it.
Speaker 8:I don't believe it. Can you imagine that?
Speaker 5:I mean what's Michigan's?
Speaker 7:Yeah, what's Michigan? It didn't say Right.
Speaker 4:But you figure, you know all the hunting in the Northwest man. You know because not one hunter doesn't have just one weapon. Right, they have a little stockpile.
Speaker 7:Yeah, so if you take Pennsylvania, michigan, west Virginia, it says it's those four states alone and compromise the largest army in the world.
Speaker 2:Shit, just the hunters.
Speaker 8:Even with West Virginia still using muskets, bang in their sisters. You can hear them.
Speaker 6:I thought that was out of bounds. That was out of bounds. They're clicking spoons.
Speaker 8:That's how they keep in step. I heard something the other day that went down real fast.
Speaker 2:I heard something the other day of an enemy did make it to you know, mainland America, that they'd somehow find themselves with banjos playing in the background. They probably would. Well, the PTSD that would come from this.
Speaker 4:You know, as far as you know, approximately 82 million Americans own a firearm. That's staggering.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but how many guns per person is there in America? That's why.
Speaker 5:Total, total amount of allegedly guns. These are only going to be I mean, I'm sure they're estimates, but like reported numbers.
Speaker 2:Right, okay, according to Wikipedia, that's bullshit.
Speaker 8:We want to go somewhere else.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, even if it is bullshit, it's so far. The United States is so far ahead. Per 100 people, there are 120 firearms in the United States Pretty much the closest behind us is the Falkland Islands.
Speaker 8:Yeah, because they only got 40 people 40 people in 300 guns, and that's why, gentlemen, leave our guns alone.
Speaker 5:So there's probably close to 400 million guns in the United States. We're like at 386 or 387 as far as million people. So you're.
Speaker 7:So civilian guns owned per 100 people. The United States is the top of this list of 120.5.
Speaker 3:That's what you said.
Speaker 5:So, you're probably 400 million firearms.
Speaker 6:Yep.
Speaker 5:And out of that a solid half of the gun owners 80 million or whatever it actually is is probably pretty damn proficient with them.
Speaker 7:Think about it. This is just the ones being reported. Think of all the ones that are in the underground.
Speaker 4:That should stick the black market yeah.
Speaker 8:Fuck, yeah, we can take the game. We can have the games going there would be the frontline.
Speaker 3:I can tell you this, that Russia has revealed themselves with this Ukraine war.
Speaker 8:They're not very tough.
Speaker 3:How the fuck could you not just run over?
Speaker 8:Ukraine Pussy, pussy, pussy, that's what.
Speaker 3:Russia is. I don't care how many guns and everything we're giving them, I mean the big red scare. Come on.
Speaker 7:Yeah they should just mold them. They should have molded them down.
Speaker 8:They did the same thing in half a year.
Speaker 5:They've been going on for three years.
Speaker 4:That half-gam war was a 10-year war yeah.
Speaker 8:Finally, russia said fuck this, we're getting our ass kicked Right.
Speaker 5:But you got to remember how long were we in the Middle East? 20 years, yeah, at least.
Speaker 4:So the thing with us in the Middle East, though, is we weren't just fighting like we were in Iraq. We weren't fighting Iraq. They were coming from all over the world, all these third world countries, these little fighting camps. They were flying into this centralized location to put up the fight against America.
Speaker 5:Well, we weren't trying to take over Iraq as making it part of America.
Speaker 6:No Right.
Speaker 5:Russia's trying to recapture. Ukraine as part of Russia.
Speaker 4:Right Part of the old USSR Right right.
Speaker 5:So they're trying to take all that back and keep it. We were never there to keep Iraq or Afghanistan or Syria or whatever's coming next.
Speaker 6:We were nation-building. That was never part of our mission.
Speaker 5:So I bet, if Iraq or Afghanistan was part of our mission, there would have been a whole different mission, sure.
Speaker 2:So well, this gets into. We would have had. This gets into foreign policy, and I know none of us are experts about that but at what point is there going to be teeth to the international community? Right, ukraine's been its own fucking country for how many decades?
Speaker 8:You know 96th, it was one of the Soviet Union.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so two decades and all of a sudden, Russia just decides to go.
Speaker 4:Russia's slowly been creeping that way.
Speaker 5:Part of what it actually is, is that Ukraine was going to become a NATO country and that was the problem. Any of those countries that broke off when they broke off were not supposed to join NATO. But Ukraine was going to join NATO. So no, you're not.
Speaker 8:You're right on my front door.
Speaker 5:That's not going to happen, and that was part of the agreement when they broke off was they were not going to become. They were going to become, so that's why the war started.
Speaker 3:But then we had Latvia, lithuania, both neighboring Russia, that are NATO countries.
Speaker 5:Well, I think that's the reason why because, okay, we let you get away with it this time, we let you get away with it that time. Now you're going to do it again. No, you're not, you're right. They had to put their foot down, or else it would have just kept going around. Right yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:But at the same time.
Speaker 5:That's what I heard.
Speaker 3:I don't know if that's what you're talking about? No, I think you're right, but in 2014,.
Speaker 5:You know that you took Kamea Right there, shit out of the camera. I have a whole bunch of people telling me I'm right. Slowly through the years.
Speaker 4:If you look back now you see like he took Kamea down below. You know he was staging up north. What Beloruz I mean? He was slowly, you know snacking.
Speaker 2:I would think that if somebody tried to come to US, I don't see how they could do it Because first of all, our radars would catch them in the ocean, way off.
Speaker 8:Because they'd have to come by boat Right Mexico, they'd have to invade Mexico.
Speaker 5:You know they would not get another invading a northern or southern country to us.
Speaker 8:So they'd have to come by boat and I, even Biden, would be smart enough to get our submarines and our warships, and it'd be more of a naval battle, I think, than it would be a land battle, because you'd see the motherfuckers coming from ever. I mean we'd track them the minute they left port, you know. And then don't let their aircraft carriers get close enough to use their planes. And then you know, we got our Navy Air Force, or our Navy pilots, our Air Force.
Speaker 6:Marine pilots.
Speaker 8:I don't think they'd ever make it to the shore.
Speaker 5:I think the United States has done a nice job at positioning military installations in key places, Because they're not they're very well in the areas where you're easily invaded. And they're not going to invade Canada and come through. You know the Dakotas or something right.
Speaker 8:Right.
Speaker 5:So there's only certain spots in their position, far enough apart, but still close enough together with all different factions. Be it the Navy, be it the Air Force, be it the Army, you know, because we need janitors Right, bop up the mass from those Marines in their installations.
Speaker 5:So I mean, it's good deterrent, because you can't just attack one because another one's just down the road and there's so many of them you're not going to be able to attack all at the same time. And you know, I just. And then, once again, though, you have a lot of crazy fucking guys like us who served Right that we missed the violence part. You know what I mean. It's like, you know, when I we're at the bar, we're at the post and dark players are going at it, or you know a couple guys, you know we're just like get her going, boys, give me a reason.
Speaker 8:Give me a reason.
Speaker 5:I'm just going to see her. Wait, but get her going.
Speaker 8:You know we're ready.
Speaker 5:You know we might get her ass kicked, but you know what? We miss that shit.
Speaker 3:Well, and that's the thing, Can you imagine? Okay, let's talk about that movie, red Dawn, right oh?
Speaker 2:yeah, the original, the original, the good one.
Speaker 3:Yeah, fuck that. That new one, One from 1984. And the Russians. Russians and Cubans descended into Colorado. It was, I think it was. Colorado is where that was jumping in. Could you fucking imagine the reality of what would happen if that happened right now today? Charlie, roy, tim, all of us, all of us, we'd make a road trip to Colorado, hidle into the trunks and a bike.
Speaker 5:We might yeah, we would look like the hijabs and I'll be piled in the back of pickup church going get her boys, Can you?
Speaker 3:imagine what would happen We'd shout it up on the way Charlie's gonna die. That shit would come from all sides If an evading force came into America like that and they have 300 million guns descending on the state of fucking Colorado.
Speaker 5:We're gonna bring the guns you bring to go.
Speaker 2:All right, charlie's gonna be the one trying to figure out how to put a fucking machine gun on the back of a Harley.
Speaker 5:Hey, you don't want that welder down there. We'll make her happen. Put a bolt up a bracket.
Speaker 4:I got a buddy that lives down in Houston and you know I was talking to him a couple weeks ago and he was saying he's like you know, he's like I've never been to war or anything, but he's like you know, like I can only imagine what it looks like. He's like there's so many you know hummers and military trucks and stuff down on our highways heading, you know, to the borders.
Speaker 6:Yeah, they're everywhere down here.
Speaker 4:Yeah, we got National Guards from all these. I think there's like 13 states or something that have sent National Guard their help down to the borders.
Speaker 8:And to tell the feds fuck off, if you won't secure it, we will yeah.
Speaker 4:You know they went down there to, you know, to stand, stand with Texas. Yeah, my buddy he was. He was just like holy cow man. He's like I've never seen so many. He's like you know, if, if, if, I'd never seen more.
Speaker 8:he's like I think I would see something with all these military and that's, that's a bad precedent to some degree, because, yes, the guard is a state organization, but they're also like a federal kind of organization because they can be deployed by the state or by federal government, like the federal, is the umbrella. Yeah. So now they're going down there and basically they're saying, hey, federal government, up yours right, but they get a lot of funding from the federal government.
Speaker 3:Right, so if if Joe Biden wanted to, he could federalize them. He could federalize those National Guard troops and say okay secure our border, you know well. No, he can say you're no longer under your state. You're under my authority.
Speaker 7:And I'm telling you to go home. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:And he hasn't done it Because he's not smart enough to. I don't think he's got people around in that smart enough.
Speaker 8:Whole camel toe.
Speaker 5:I don't I don't really think he wants to fight those troops, commanders or anybody else and fuck yourself in a state or anyway. But what, what, what are you going to do? You know what I mean? Because I think then you got a mutiny on your hands and that's probably a battle they don't want to fight.
Speaker 2:Nope Right, because I think you know at some point you got to realize that you fucked up Bad enough that you're backed into a corner, and they most definitely are backed into a corner at this point.
Speaker 3:Well, they did try to pass some legislation about this border crisis and it was blocked.
Speaker 8:You blocked it.
Speaker 3:Republican Absolutely. Why though?
Speaker 5:Probably because there was a whole bunch of junk whole bunch of back door stuff slid in there no.
Speaker 4:You're not going to be in Ukraine and everywhere else.
Speaker 3:I'll tell you why. I'll tell you why Because Donald Trump told him not to. Come on, it's true, this is true. Look it up, nerd, look it up. He told him not to because, because he wants the chaos and everything else to run against Biden, he can say Biden's fucking up this.
Speaker 8:Oh, kind of like they did with the COVID thing.
Speaker 3:Sure, what do you mean? No, what are you talking?
Speaker 8:about Democrats did how? How? So? Exactly Because, if I remember right, Trump said when the monkey flu came out, or whatever the fuck you want to call it, I'm calling the monkey flu. The Huang Hu Chang-Wang, whatever, okay, which was a man made in a lab that was probably given and set to fuck us up. When he found that out, he said no body from China can come into the United States. And everybody went oh my God, you're racist.
Speaker 7:Yeah right.
Speaker 8:You're racist. And he said I don't give a fuck, they're not coming into the States. And then they came into the States, and then what happened? Three months later?
Speaker 3:Okay, but did they? He said they're not coming, why did? Why did? Why? Were they able to come? If he said, no, they can't come, why did they come?
Speaker 8:I don't know what I give.
Speaker 3:Well, I can tell you this COVID was probably already in the states by that time.
Speaker 6:Oh yeah, yeah, well, I'm guessing it probably was?
Speaker 3:I can tell you this I was in Mexico.
Speaker 8:You brought it.
Speaker 3:I did and I'm telling you, everybody I was with got fucking sick as a dog. My kids, my wife, my mother, my brothers, everybody got sick Like fucking COVID, sick Like three weeks like just definitely ill. Yeah, yeah, do you remember that it was right before COVID, because I went to Miami in March of the COVID year. Yeah, it was early March, the COVID year we went to my family.
Speaker 4:We had a big trip planned to Disney right around. It was the beginning of March you know of then. But I remember I was helping a buddy, you know, with a build or do a build, and like there was three of us and one guy sick and we all end up like just massively sick and he went to the doctor and they're like we don't you know, we don't know.
Speaker 3:We don't know what's going on.
Speaker 4:We're not aware of what it was and then, so I think it was already here.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 4:Slowly trickling through and by the time it made it to the news it was, I mean, it was massive.
Speaker 5:Okay, so the border bill, we're talking about. Yeah, yeah, it was Washington Post. Got a news organization they're kind of they're pretty liberal.
Speaker 2:I think they're pretty liberal.
Speaker 5:Okay, that's why I wanted to ask is this the?
Speaker 8:one where we say it's right.
Speaker 2:I'm not going to sit here and pull some right wing you know whatever, and I don't really believe what Fox News says. Oh, that's all good.
Speaker 5:I don't believe what CNN says. So the Senate voted down sweeping national security and border reform package on Wednesday, with most Senate Republicans banded together with a handful of Democrats to reject the legislation. The bill included more than $60 billion in aid for Ukraine as a fence off Russia and 14 billion to Israel for the war in Gaza, and those were a top top national security priority for Biden. So it wasn't just right.
Speaker 5:They tried sliding some stuff, they, they. It's what they all do. They all throw a bunch of pork and some bullshit and then they go. Oh yeah, the government's not going to get paid and all these people are going to have to quit their jobs, right, but we're going to study fucking purple potatoes at $7 million this year. Have you ever had a purple potato?
Speaker 3:They're fucking delicious Right.
Speaker 5:But do you think we really need to fuck? We're already growing them. Do we need to study them? No, Okay. Well, that's been $7 billion this year to fucking study purple potatoes $7 billion, that sounds like a lot. It was a $7 billion. Charlie's becoming a nerd Because I've heard these things.
Speaker 2:Now the nerd squad's rubbing off At a basic level. At some point, I think we should come together and agree that you know what everybody considers to be pork. You know there's. There's a fine line there's either you put so much shit into a bill that nobody knows what's going on with it, or you have everything down to its individual topic and they can't. They don't have, they simply don't have the time to vote on everything, right.
Speaker 5:You know what I mean. So you got to figure that out. Well, what you could do is you could. You could put a bill together for border security. Then you could put a bill down for your top national. You could have had two votes. You could have done Ukraine and you could have done Israel as a separate vote. Pull it out of the bullshit. Let's get the bullshit done. And if you have your, little pet projects.
Speaker 3:Okay, can I? Can I tell you why that was all together in one bill? It was Israel, ukraine and the border. Because the Republicans wanted the border bill, they wanted something about the border Right, they wanted more money, they wanted to fix it, they wanted it to get fixed.
Speaker 5:And they even said what they were going to give to the border wall was not enough to solve the problem.
Speaker 3:And the Democrats wanted funding for Ukraine. They all, they all agreed on Israel. We're going to give money to Israel.
Speaker 8:I don't think we should give money to either one of them. Motherfuckers, it's your war to fight it.
Speaker 5:Okay, we spent $300,000 to study fucking purple potatoes but still $300,000 is might as well be seven million to study a purple potato. I'm sure we spent. You said seven billion.
Speaker 3:I said seven million. Oh, he did say billion. We're going to rewind it.
Speaker 8:Yeah, no, no, give the progressive game flag. What?
Speaker 5:But I mean, you know, we have homeless veterans in the street. No, I agree, we have people everywhere and we're sending $70 billion overseas, when 70 billion dollars a year?
Speaker 4:I'm not opposed to sending money, you know, to help some of these foreign countries. As far as you know, allies and stuff like that, I'm fair with that. But I mean hundreds of billions of dollars like to one you know small country multiple times per fiscal year, by the way.
Speaker 2:So it adds up to a second.
Speaker 4:I'm not saying, you know, don't give them any money, don't give, you know, iran any money or not Iran, but about Israel, you know like I'm all about, you know supporting and helping, but I mean billions and billions. And we have homeless veterans and you know homeless alone. We have, you know, poor and hungry in our country, and you know go online.
Speaker 3:Here's, here's the way I see, it is that politics nowadays are becoming more and more global. Sure, geopolitical, you know that was a big word, I know right.
Speaker 8:For a little tape. Writer.
Speaker 3:I shouldn't. My ASVAP scores higher than yours. Got something. Anyway, sure I'm positive Okay. It doesn't get much higher than mine.
Speaker 7:Okay, I believe you.
Speaker 3:I was a 122. Nice. So, anyways, if, if we don't take the reins we being America, if we don't take the reins of what's going on globally, somebody else will. You want to be Russia? You want to be China?
Speaker 7:Iran.
Speaker 3:Iran. It's either us or those fuckers, Either we fucking were. Either we rule the world or they rule the world. And then you want, you do not want the whole world depending on China, depending on Russia for the things that we could give them as as America.
Speaker 8:Now.
Speaker 3:I get your sentiment. I get it Like fuck those, fuck the rest of the world, let's take care of us. I get it, I know right, but I'm looking at it from a different perspective. I don't say that either Like what either either America rules the world or somebody else does. Who do you want we?
Speaker 8:already rule the world. We're in every fucking conflict that ever comes around Okay. Because they can't take care of themselves, so they come after us.
Speaker 3:We take the power of our dollar and we give it to a Ukraine, we give it to a, a, an Israel's, we give it to purple potatoes. And then now you owe us something, now you owe us right, and that is Kuwait. When what happened with Desert Storm in the early night we get free oil from fucking Kuwait.
Speaker 8:We should be, we should be.
Speaker 3:We have bases there in Kuwait. That's our jumping off point from Kuwait to the rest of the Middle East, whenever there's a conflict where we flying into into Kuwait because we went there, we saved Sorry, we saved their asses. Right, we spent our tax dollars to do that in our American lives. Now you owe us, so either we run the world or Russia wants a world. Who do you want?
Speaker 8:Russia can't run.
Speaker 3:Fucking Ukraine, that's true, I know Okay. Or China Russia can't run Russia. Or fucking India, who's becoming a superpower.
Speaker 5:So what I've seen as far as they into Ukraine. There was a corruption scandal. I would really have to go through it. But from what it says, like, oh, we gave 133 billion in emergency aid, Then it goes we gave 24 billion for defense. We gave 24 billion for, you know, cash, we gave 20, you know. So I don't know if that, all that extra 24 billion, this 24 billion, that 30 billion, if that's part of that, 133.
Speaker 5:Yeah that 133 number or not, or that's the breakdown of the 133, but we've given over 130 billion dollars out of minimum.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 5:Over there, all right.
Speaker 2:Can I throw something at that real quick. They had it Go ahead.
Speaker 4:No, go ahead, you finish, I'm going to go over here. You know there was, there was a ordeal that broke out with, you know, the Ukrainian government. You know embezzling like $40 million.
Speaker 8:Well, they're Hunter and Joe's buddies.
Speaker 6:It's right, you know, yeah he's got to get his money back.
Speaker 4:You know there's foreign interest.
Speaker 2:You know I was going to throw something into what Charlie was saying because he was throwing numbers out. What do you say? 132 billion?
Speaker 8:133.
Speaker 2:Yeah, just to put that in perspective, the most recent budget for the veterans affairs was 119 billion, so that's kind of how I'm going to scale things Like what could the VA do with double its budget?
Speaker 5:Yeah, got you some more freedom, you know what I mean. And they've been doing really good work.
Speaker 2:I don't know if you guys have been listening, but they've been doing really good work on homeless veterans. I've heard they've been doing really making progress. So what could they do if they fucking doubled their budget?
Speaker 5:Well, so this is what we were talking about. Did you hear what I said?
Speaker 2:What you said 133 and I said 119 billion was the VA budget.
Speaker 5:So we had Trey's wife in here right In Poland, and she says about all the stuff that they do in Poland their military is tiny, they don't give a shit what happens, they take care of themselves. So imagine if we had all this money right, kids could go to school for free, they can go to college. People have houses, people get a basic wage all this shit instead.
Speaker 6:And go over there for someone else, and those do you create that 133 billion, like you say.
Speaker 3:But what is the consequence of not stopping Russia? Ask Poland, they're closer. Ask Poland. Yeah, I can tell you what the consequence is. We don't stop in Ukraine, they're going to go into fucking Poland. That's Poland's problem. Well, here's the thing. Here's the thing when we were attacked on 9-11, the article 5 was invoked for the first time ever and everybody went to bat for us, all the NATO countries. Poland is a NATO country, ukraine is not.
Speaker 5:So how do they go to bat for us? What do they do? Who's that? What did Poland? Do they fucking? Hey, good job guys, Go ahead and get it.
Speaker 3:No, they were in Iraq. They were in Iraq, they were in Afghanistan. Trust me, I know. I was at FAB ECHO, which was ran by Polish. Before I got there, we were still digging up the vodka bottles, and when I was there, we were digging up the vodka bottles because they were drinking it and they were burying it in the sand over there.
Speaker 5:So they just sent a bunch of dudes over there to establish a base and probably really didn't do anything besides something. Probably not, but I mean Just to look like they did something?
Speaker 3:Probably not, but they did send people over there. I'm sure there were some Polish people that died on our behalf. No, I understand that.
Speaker 5:I'm not knocking them, no, I'm just saying I mean, are they really out there doing missions to support us?
Speaker 3:Probably not, and I get what you're saying. I do get what you're saying, but there were countries that were there with us England, for example.
Speaker 4:So, as far as support, you can break that down. How much money? $133 billion. You wouldn't think $100 billion should be plenty enough for them to stay armed.
Speaker 5:The problem is, the only thing that we can ever keep accountability on is if we send weapons and or equipment. Sure, because we know the shit got shipped there, we write a check and we send it there. You think they're going to send us an actual receipt of what they've spent money on?
Speaker 3:President's taken about no President's taken 5%. The fucking prime minister's taken. Yeah, Sure man, there's no way to keep accountability. Just think of it.
Speaker 5:We'll send you food and we're going to send you equipment, but we ain't sending you any cash. Bingo, cash is your problem. Bingo, you know what I mean, because then we actually have accountability of what we actually know what the value is.
Speaker 3:We know what the money is. Now that you say that, why the fuck? Where do we send them money? Yeah, why would we not like? Okay, what do you send us a list of what you need? We'll fucking buy it and send it over there, but why am I going to give you money for what?
Speaker 4:Quit sending you know billions of dollars, so there's a chance for the government to afford it, because they're in a war.
Speaker 5:And now they can't afford to buy food for the people and they can't afford to do that We'll fucking send you food. We'll just air drop your ass food.
Speaker 4:We'll send you pallets and sea rations and MRDs.
Speaker 5:But there was actually people.
Speaker 4:I saw a Tic-Tac and I didn't know. Good enough for our folks, good enough for the American people or the American military when they're fighting overseas? It's good enough for you guys when you're at war.
Speaker 5:I'm just saying, like I saw Tic-Tac and of course I'm not going to believe everything I see on Tic-Tac unless I make them, because I made them so I know that they're actually legit. But I saw a thing years ago when the whole Ukraine thing popped off. Most people are making like $30,000 or $40,000 in their money. So there'll be $30,000 or $40,000 here Not to go to work. Because they can't go to work, so we're paying them to stay home. So there's a war in the United States, canada, which send you a check for $30,000 a year so you could just not go to work.
Speaker 3:Because we're propping up their fucking economy. That's what we're doing.
Speaker 5:That's what we're doing with the cash, right, not how much of it actually is really getting out into the hands of the people that need it. Who knows? Yeah, there's no way to track the cash. Yeah, yeah, and I have no problem sending tanks and guns and bullets and bombs and food, medical supplies and gear.
Speaker 4:All that shit we left in Afghanistan.
Speaker 6:We could have sent to Ukraine, because I know, because I know We'll drop all the bombs you want, you can keep accountability of it.
Speaker 5:The left of the United States, it went there. I know the shit's there, right, you send cash. Who the hell knows? It's another $50 million yacht sitting in the Red Sea somewhere that the fucking president has you know, or?
Speaker 4:whatever it's another Zelensky buying a mansion in Florida.
Speaker 6:You know what I mean.
Speaker 4:Yeah, any problem.
Speaker 8:Yeah, it'd be another party that the Bidens go to Well, whatever.
Speaker 3:You'd go if you had invited man it's a good thing.
Speaker 5:I made popcorn and now Joe's going to make a bunch of noise trying to open his fucking combos.
Speaker 6:Oh wait, combo you open it, go ahead.
Speaker 5:I just wanted to give you a hard time.
Speaker 2:We were all quietly eating popcorn and use the quiet version. There you go.
Speaker 5:Don't hurt yourself. Don't hurt yourself. There's seasoning and butter and all that. How's it going?
Speaker 7:We got brains.
Speaker 2:So I just walked out and now I'm back. So I heard you say, heard somebody say why the fuck are we sending money?
Speaker 3:I was saying I mean it just kind of hit me like all right, why are we not sending just structure?
Speaker 2:We need to send a list of what is a tangible object, yeah, and that you can keep accountability.
Speaker 5:We know we ship 50 tanks.
Speaker 2:Because worst case scenario, if we send 50 tanks and they get fucked, well hey, you know, 50 tanks are gone. There's a lot better than fucking 133 billion gone that we have no accountability.
Speaker 3:How much does a tank cost?
Speaker 2:I don't know probably 20 million.
Speaker 5:So part of that article I read. It showed like 56 billion in. It was like military aid and it had actually had a list. Like 198 Humvees, 100 tanks, 100 of this it was pretty detailed, bro down. I just don't know.
Speaker 2:I was just looking it up Yep 10 million bucks for an.
Speaker 5:Abrams tank. So this thing, I looked up where it said that 133 and that had all the different breakdowns I don't know if there were additions to that because it said you know we're sending 60 billion in cash and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 5:So, but it actually had to actually kind of had a breakdown of what it was, but it was pretty cash heavy.
Speaker 3:So well, what we figured out is they're trying to we're trying to prop up their economy, so we're paying their people to not work because they can't work, because there's a fucking war on them. I saw a TikTok that showed that right.
Speaker 5:It's like you know, because you wrecked in the beginning, you'd see these TikToks come off from Russian soldiers or Ukrainian soldiers and shit, you know, and the guy was like yep, I'm just sitting at home and you guys are paying me not to go to work. You know, I'm making 30, 30,000 or 40,000, whatever Ukrainian dollars a month, no year. Oh, okay, but still, I mean you got.
Speaker 4:That's more salaries than you got. A fraction of Americans?
Speaker 5:Oh, you got right, you know you got. You got people in America, right? If you're a hundred percent disability, what are you making? 40,000 a year, 46,000. Okay, 46,000. So if you can make $40,000 a set of home and I'm pretty sure you probably still working, probably still doing something to make some dollars on the side, right, or whatever I get it. Yeah, but did you imagine? So you said at home, and your wife said at home, and you both got 40 grand 80 grand or 30 grand, so you're 60 or whatever.
Speaker 5:It is right, I mean, I don't even know if that thing was true or not, right yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, right, I mean theoretically yeah.
Speaker 5:Something you just said on there and said something.
Speaker 2:I mean because didn't Abraham Lincoln say that you can believe everything in Facebook?
Speaker 8:I believe it was, and he said the best way to get air conditioning is it's bullet to the brain.
Speaker 5:The air passes right through. Cool your right down. I mean you go cold like I guess in a day.
Speaker 3:Probably less than that.
Speaker 5:Pretty quick, best sleep you'll ever have.
Speaker 6:Yeah.
Speaker 5:Nothing can wake you. Nothing can wake you up.
Speaker 3:How cold. Now, speaking of President Abraham Lincoln, we segue into our discussion about base renaming. That's what we want to talk about tonight.
Speaker 2:So I have a list of the bases. I'm going to just name them off real quick.
Speaker 5:And let me guess they're going to be all army bases, does it say?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, because they're all forts. What is?
Speaker 6:a marine.
Speaker 3:Marine is a base.
Speaker 5:We just call them bases, yeah which is the same as in the name of the Air Force.
Speaker 8:Probably the same way I thought they were camp, base Camp, help Camp.
Speaker 5:Camp, camp, camp, camp, camp, camp, camp, camp, camp, camp, camp Camp. Camp.
Speaker 6:Yes, sir.
Speaker 8:OK, so the other forces are the same which I'll say they are war.
Speaker 2:We're obviously on base, yeah Shoot. So yeah, army installations that are going to be changing their name. Fort Barfoot is going, excuse me, Fort Pickett is going to be called Fort Barfoot. It's the Fort Pickett.
Speaker 6:Virginia.
Speaker 2:Virginia, ok. Fort Navasel, navasel, nav-a-who, n-o-v-o-s-e-l.
Speaker 4:Navasel, navasel.
Speaker 2:Navasel, fort Moore. Our current name is going to Alright. Current name.
Speaker 3:Fort Benning, there it is. Your current name is Fort Benning too. Yep, fort Moore, yep, but we talk about that Real quick, fort Moore.
Speaker 2:That's named after Howmore. We were soldiers Howmore.
Speaker 5:We were soldiers. Army Lieutenant General, give it up.
Speaker 3:Give it up to Howmore Yep, who the fuck is Benning? I don't even know. You're the.
Speaker 5:Confederate General, I'm sure. Yeah, absolutely, you had to be. I mean, that's why they're changing it.
Speaker 8:Yep, Uh, who Well somebody's pussy's hurt all the time.
Speaker 2:Nurt is looking it up, but Fort Bragg is going to be called Fort Liberty.
Speaker 7:I need a badge with it it says that. On it it says Nurt for my best.
Speaker 2:Sorry about the nerd's combos bag causing all the crinkles in the microphone. Just make sure there's.
Speaker 5:But you can eat the whole bag almost no. Are you going to eat it because Uncle will get you something to pour in it?
Speaker 2:Oh, sure so anyway, I appreciate it what I say. Fort Bragg is going to be Fort Liberty, fort Gordon is going to Fort Eisenhower, fort AP Hill is going to Fort Walker. That's over. Jr Fort Hood is being called Fort Cavizos, cavazos, cavazos.
Speaker 8:Max Mack.
Speaker 2:Fort Lee is going to Fort Greg Adams and Fort Polk is going to Fort Johnson. Who's Greg Adams Johnson?
Speaker 5:I think that's a that's a basketball star for the so.
Speaker 2:Lieutenant.
Speaker 4:General Arthur Gregg and Lieutenant Colonel Charity Adams. While Gregg played a key role in allowing blacks into the army, Lieutenant Colonel Adams blazed trails during World War II to become one of the highest ranking female soldiers in World War II. So it's a common.
Speaker 5:Anybody here watch South Park.
Speaker 8:I guess we're talking about us.
Speaker 5:Do you ever remember there was a South Park episode where they go to like war and you have like the white guys and the black guys and they're like we're gonna have the black guys go first, or whatever? They're like what the hell is it called Operation Get Behind Darkie?
Speaker 2:Is there like fighting?
Speaker 5:the aliens or something. And that chef, he was like, wait a minute, something's wrong here. I just remember. It was like the most that show is so out of bounds you know shit, but it's funny. I mean, of course we laugh about it. It's not, but it is, you know.
Speaker 2:But, shows like that survived like fucking. Family Guy isn't as bad, but Family Guy can be pretty dark sometimes.
Speaker 3:I mean all those not as bad as South Park. South Park is the king of that shit. Oh yeah, that was extreme.
Speaker 4:South Park became before everything else, didn't it?
Speaker 2:That was before Family Guy.
Speaker 5:Simpsons were kind of that way. I mean, they were the ones that really kind of started pushing the envelope with talking to the kids and the kids doing stuff.
Speaker 6:Right, you know that yeah that kind of stuff.
Speaker 5:Simpsons started and then.
Speaker 3:South Park. I just progressively got worse. South Park is still going. I remember it started in 1997 when I joined the army. That's when South Park started. It is still fucking going.
Speaker 5:Well, Simpsons ran like 30 years or something.
Speaker 3:They're still going, they're still making new episodes.
Speaker 7:Honestly, though, I remember like a time fucking machine, or something.
Speaker 2:Well, Simpsons has fucking predicted the future. How many times now?
Speaker 5:Yeah, who's that? Leslie Groening, or whatever his name is, that produces it, or whatever they think he's.
Speaker 3:Matt Groening.
Speaker 5:Is that what it is? Yeah, he's a time traveler or some shit, because he had, like Trump, coming down the escalator, he's had 9-11 and had all these crazy predictions of shit happening. So pretty crazy.
Speaker 3:How you guys feeling about these name changes Bullshit.
Speaker 2:I think it's stupid. I mean, I understand why they're doing it, but it doesn't change the fact that I think it's fucking stupid.
Speaker 8:You can't erase history.
Speaker 6:It is what it is.
Speaker 5:The problem is if you erase history, it will definitely repeat itself. Absolutely Right. So if you get, if you wipe this off the planet, right, 50 years from now, we're all going to be gone and kids being born now will have no idea who these people are. They're going to well, but they're going to erase all these shit out of history, Bucks. And then the cycle will start over again.
Speaker 8:Just as the way.
Speaker 5:it's always worked that way, you know so. But yeah, so we've had some pretty cool, pretty cool stuff going on at the post lately. You know there's a still flying breakfast or being made. We got breakfast on Sunday, are?
Speaker 3:we changing the subject. I feel like you're changing the subject right now. No, I want to get into this about. Tim really wants to get into this. I know to get into this. He's upset.
Speaker 8:Tim's upset because people are going to say I'm an old, fat white guy, Okay well they're right.
Speaker 6:All that.
Speaker 8:All of that Okay, and I'm okay with that. Okay, but the Confederate soldiers were still United States soldiers, were they? Yes, that's why they're buried of. Congress passed a bill back in the day and you guys can probably look that up. That's why they're buried there's. They're buried in Arlington National Cemetery. If I know when they passed that, and it wasn't like in 1882 either it was. It was like in the 20th century, like so 1940 something yeah something right in there, okay, so there's.
Speaker 8:there's still soldiers. What is it 1900. They're still soldiers. They fought for a cause, their belief.
Speaker 2:So their way of life. So 40 years after it happened, they basically said let's let bygones be bygones and move forward Right.
Speaker 8:Our Arlington National Cemetery was. The land was donated by Robert E Lee's wife, so we can go down there and tear that fucker down.
Speaker 2:Was it donated? I think, we took it first, didn't we? Seriously, I think that's it.
Speaker 8:I don't know, but that's who owned the land.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but was it, when you say it was donated, they sold it? Oh they did Okay.
Speaker 5:They sold it. Yeah, sold it. Huh, when 1900? 1882. For $150,000. Yeah, that's a lot of money then. That'd be like 30 million now. I bet ya Something ridiculous, george Washington. I mean you were making like four cents an hour back then.
Speaker 8:Yeah, you know George Washington. He had slaves. Why aren't we tearing down the Washington fucking monument? Four?
Speaker 2:million. Right, yeah, that's what happened Most of our first few presidents all had slaves Because it was a sign of the time.
Speaker 8:It was just the way it was and I'm gonna throw this out there, but I'm not gonna say African-American, because I don't see black there you go, thank you.
Speaker 3:Okay, for those of you that don't know, I am a black man, but my cousin likes to call me racially ambiguous. If you saw me, I could be anything. When girls used to ask me what I was, I used to ask them what do you want me to be?
Speaker 4:Even though he's black, it's still debatable if he's the sexiest man in here, that's right, roy is he's.
Speaker 3:He's coming alive. He's coming alive.
Speaker 6:He's coming alive for my money no.
Speaker 5:And obviously around the race thing, right, because a lot of us in this room we grew up in mid-Michigan, right? I remember in high school or middle school, grade school, five or six black students, right, Maybe, maybe my whole 12 years.
Speaker 3:Nine years, my whole 12 years, this guy in Chippews. He had a lot of work, did you?
Speaker 5:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Chippews.
Speaker 5:Half of. Macasta, here in Mount Pleasant, you can count them on one hand.
Speaker 4:Yeah, you can count them on one hand Probably count them on one hand.
Speaker 6:Yeah, probably could Like for 12 years.
Speaker 5:So you know, for me it was definitely an eye-opening experience when I Joined the Militia.
Speaker 5:Yeah, when I joined the Marines and I hit bouquet for the first time and we had Hispanics, we had Latins, we had blacks, asians, asians, we had Pericans yeah, we had all sorts man, and you really realize how America is a melting pot from all these different nations and countries and how each one betters another one. Because my friends that were Hispanics, andy Garcia, was just down here a couple weeks ago and talking with us about stuff. One of the best dudes ever, man, that's my kid's named after him. Right, he took me in like I was his fricking brother. We all do that sitting around the table. We're around each other a lot, you know. But I mean it's been 25 years I've been out and we still talk all the time. You know what I mean, so it's really cool to see.
Speaker 5:You know how, coming from small town America, you know we have friends from everywhere and we make the jokes and we pick on people. You know it's like. You know white, black people don't go on cruises.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we already got fooled.
Speaker 8:Once you know what I mean.
Speaker 3:So I mean, I mean we make, we make jokes Don't get us kicked off this fucking platform, oh we make.
Speaker 5:We make the jokes, we laugh at it. But you know you tell the white boy jokes whatever. It's all for fun, right? I mean, nothing's ever met out of malicious intent. We all do it just like. You know you want to go, you know that's what. I think that wasn't a joke, though this fucking counts.
Speaker 3:Oh man Hilarious, Take my combos again.
Speaker 5:Joe.
Speaker 7:I forgot you were funny.
Speaker 8:So, my point is not just black people were enslaved. The Chinese were, the Japanese were. What happened to Japanese during World War II?
Speaker 5:In turn, they camped Irish Yep, I was going to say my heritage enslaved in Jamaica. Yeah, they literally put my ancestors on the boat and floated them to Jamaica. So I get it, it's all happened.
Speaker 8:But yeah, we only seem to. We only seem to hit one portion of all them, people that are enslaved. You know, my my thing was always bad when the president of the United States become a is a black man and he's president of the United States, I think your race cards done especially two terms and overwhelmingly. Two terms, yeah, popular president, yeah, yeah, I think now it's time for us to quit.
Speaker 3:I think I think we can. We can all say unequivocally that Barack Obama was probably the best president ever in the United States of America. Right, right, right, no, no, what, oh, come on, he was a great president. I can tell you that.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I, I never once had, and so with me I vote on a man every year. I don't care what affiliation.
Speaker 3:I do the same thing for the Barack Obama. I did, oh my God.
Speaker 2:You know I voted for him on his first one.
Speaker 5:I voted for him twice and I will tell you this I don't, ever, no matter. I don't care if it's at the city commission level, the county commission, I don't care the fucking school board, I don't care what political, and if some are political, some are not right, some are nonpartisan ballots, but I don't care what side of the aisle you belong on, I really don't care. Tell me what you actually believe and if you get the seat, you better do the things that you said, because if you don't, next time you come up you're done. Right, I gave you a shot, you know. You had me believing and you fucked me over. You're done. Now I get it. If you run into a stone wall and you know what I mean, I mean there's other things that go into it because, yeah, you could run on a big grandstand thing and nothing gets accomplished, because politics are politics because, yeah, because Congress won't do this or they won't do that, you know.
Speaker 5:So I mean, I get there's other things at play, but I really don't care, right?
Speaker 4:But you know, even as I have two Trump flags hanging at the shop, but I'm just saying this red, you know this red versus blue, you know political ordeal and he's an end.
Speaker 3:It does, it does Absolutely.
Speaker 4:It's just a standing ground, you know, for whichever side you know to promote their views Views, I mean once they start scaling up that ladder, you know they don't abide by those.
Speaker 7:Yeah, they don't give a fuck about us.
Speaker 4:No, you know so you know, when you get to those levels, I don't care if you're red, blue, like because it doesn't matter anymore. I don't believe it.
Speaker 3:I'll let you hear about those levels, those levels like a power You're talking about, president.
Speaker 5:Yeah, you're going to go through your state seven right. Or your house, but even then you're going to go to the national and then you're going to be working your way up the ladder.
Speaker 4:You even see it at the state you know levels. I mean they're you know your city levels and stuff like our. You know out in front of you, know everybody as much as like your state levels and of government stuff. But I mean, I'm pretty sure you know it's even happening at your local, you know month of fuckers, come up and says your grass is too tall, you know.
Speaker 7:I mean like my mother.
Speaker 8:I got more.
Speaker 3:I just want to go go back to okay, let's do it.
Speaker 8:Go back to what you said about it's on, listen, the 11 clerk against 11 Bravo that we've elected a black president.
Speaker 3:Racism is over.
Speaker 8:That's it Done. No, I don't mean that, I don't. I do not mean that. I mean he showed every black person in the country, everybody in the world, that you can do anything you fucking want to do if you just pull your fucking pants up and do it. You pull your fucking pants up and you quit being a gangbanger. And I'm not saying just black people are gangbangers, because there's white gangbangers too. Okay, you just quit being a douchebag, right, and don't woe on me. Oh, my God, they're keeping me down. The only people that keep you down is you, right, right, and that's what I'm saying. I'm saying that I didn't like the guy. I didn't think he did a bad job, right, but did I vote for him? Absolutely not. And number one reason is because he had Hillary as his secretary.
Speaker 5:I know, charlie, I'm fine as Metta man.
Speaker 8:But the biggest thing for me with and I'm going to throw some, I'll give him some respect, president Obama is he had Hillary Clinton, who's the most crooked motherfucker. She's probably killed more people in the United States Army, right? Okay, she killed people in Benghazi and lied to fucking about it, and he didn't take her down. I can tell you this.
Speaker 3:Once you and this is just my thought once you get to those levels of power, you are corruptible, oh, absolutely Corrupted or corruptible.
Speaker 5:So yeah, so explain to me how.
Speaker 3:So he was told. He was told by his handlers or whoever. You will put Hillary Clinton in this position.
Speaker 8:Yeah, and Hillary probably turned around. If you do anything to me, I'll kill you, like I have my bodyguard and all these other motherfuckers.
Speaker 4:And that's just it. Even though they're the president behind his power in our country. They're still controllable, they're still a public.
Speaker 5:Yeah, yeah, just a face, and it's always been that way, right, so you don't become a senator, congressman at the national level, president, vice president, anything. You take a position that you get paid $150,000 a year, $220,000 or whatever it is. If you're the president and you retire with $50 million in the bank, right, how? Is that you just can't.
Speaker 2:Bad math, yeah. Speaking engagements and writing a book Sure yeah.
Speaker 5:Come visit us for 15 minutes and we're going to pay you $6 million. Right, that's not my company buying what we want to sell you Right Now. If you come speak to us, I'm going to pay you a ridiculous amount of money. There's always a way around things. You know what I mean. You know it's unfortunate, unfair to the average American, because ultimately that's what they do.
Speaker 5:There's actually a guy out there and that's all he does is he day trades and he shifts his money around in the stock market based on what Congress is doing. So every day. He'll know. You know where Tim Ier to be, just sold 100 shares of Delta and he bought into this or whatever. So guess what he does. He makes the appropriate amount of shares and he might not have a thousand shares, he might have 10. So if he's looted, he's dumping 20% and he's done with 20% of his and he's buying 20% of the next one, right, and he's like. I tell you, I don't even have a fucking job. All I do is trade what they're trading and when they sell, I sell and I'm making a shit ton of money, and all these people sit in these because they all sit in these committees.
Speaker 7:They know what's going on.
Speaker 5:So they know, hey, we're going to be giving a whole bunch of money to study a fucking purple potato.
Speaker 6:Guess what I'm going to fucking get into I'm going to get into purple potatoes.
Speaker 5:So they're biased, you know. So that's that's all he does. Now, it's crazy.
Speaker 2:Number one. What the fuck is that? You know like? Well, it's actually a website you can go to and watch it.
Speaker 6:They've legalized it for free.
Speaker 4:Yeah, and here's all the trades being made by Senate Congress, like you can, just so.
Speaker 3:Congress, Congress, who makes and forms? The fucking laws of this country made it legal for them to do insider trading. But that's exactly what they're doing, If Tim Arnaby did it, if Tim got some insider information.
Speaker 5:I'd be playing hide the slummy with Bubba and Spike Exactly, exactly. So they fucking got it. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:Congress has legalized has linked us.
Speaker 4:No fat white guy.
Speaker 3:Congress has legalized insider trading for themselves. They've legalized bribery for themselves. So all those the Supreme Court has backed them up and said that corporations are people. Corporations are people. This is a Charlie. You're looking at me like unbelievable. No, I'm looking at you like I already know all their shit. Yeah, they're fucking. They legalize this shit so that the money just keeps flowing into their fucking pocket.
Speaker 8:So I got a question Okay, and I think we discussed this too how long can a president serve? Eight years, total Eight years, and why are these motherfuckers able to serve for fucking 50 years? No, no, no, you said president, no.
Speaker 5:I'm not.
Speaker 2:Congress is unlimited, yeah, but why there's no term limit? Why?
Speaker 5:Because they have to vote on their own term limits.
Speaker 8:Exactly how wrong is that so?
Speaker 5:let me ask you a question how many years can you serve as post commander Until?
Speaker 8:somebody else.
Speaker 5:So then why don't we make a bylaw that says a post commander can only serve one year?
Speaker 2:Shoot us in the foot.
Speaker 6:Yeah.
Speaker 5:So, why the fuck would they want to shoot themselves in the foot? Do you want to vote yourself out of your own job? You want to say, hey when I hey, no matter how good I'm doing or how bad I'm doing, I've got to. I agree with that, but that's why they're not going to do it.
Speaker 8:Well, they're not going to do it because it ends their job. You're saying are you like? You're saying they're not going to do it because they've got their hands into everything and they're making money, money, money, but they have to be re-voted in every time, though.
Speaker 3:No, no, yeah, no, they got to. They got to get voted in again after they have to be in, whatever yeah.
Speaker 5:So it'd be a but there's no like saying, hey, you can only serve in Congress for 12 years or the Senate for 12 years.
Speaker 8:We, the people, are lazy motherfuckers because probably out of how many billion people we got, but we're too naive and go with 330 million and we don't even and we don't even fucking. A quarter of us, 10% of us, don't even fucking vote.
Speaker 5:They've. So oh, I'd say, at least I'd say damn, they're half yeah.
Speaker 4:They throw an ad on TV and, depending on you know what political side you follow, you're just like, okay, yeah, I believe it.
Speaker 5:You don't, you know we don't Nobody researched, so lazy.
Speaker 3:Nobody goes and does a research and sees it. It's true or not, confirmation bias is what they call it. I mean, you look at Feinstein oh geez, that bitch died, right yeah.
Speaker 6:Oh really.
Speaker 8:I think she did. She did die, all right. I missed her few. How long was she a fucking senator? For a hundred years. What does she?
Speaker 3:know she's fucking Tim, probably, since you were a fucking baby Probably why he was there.
Speaker 5:He was in the jeeps back then he was elected.
Speaker 8:It's like and this is another thing I hate Okay, what do you think this country would be like if they hired, if they elected a 42 year old president? I think you'd be running a lot better because you're with the times. The these motherfuckers that are a hundred years old. They don't have any clue?
Speaker 4:Not really, though, because again, the president is controlled, you know, by the lower level candidates.
Speaker 8:How old was John F Kennedy when he got in he?
Speaker 2:was 30. I think he was 36.
Speaker 5:No way. And how long did he last?
Speaker 7:No, he had to be a certain age and it would become prime yeah, 35. 35 at minimum. He didn't last long he was.
Speaker 4:He was in his 30s, I know it was. He was trying to go against the grain Right and they killed him. They killed him. You go against the establishment. He was 43. Okay.
Speaker 5:He was in his 40s or upper 40s.
Speaker 3:He was young yeah.
Speaker 2:So so talk about 47.
Speaker 5:Yeah, he was, he was young.
Speaker 3:Because I think, I think he was the youngest.
Speaker 2:John F Kennedy was the youngest president ever elected, yeah.
Speaker 8:And.
Speaker 3:I think it was John F Kennedy.
Speaker 8:I think he was too. But the point is like you said, Roy, John F Kennedy got waxed because he went against the establishment. Well, not only that there's a little. There's another history and I think we talked about this a little bit and I don't remember. Yeah, the gold standards and the dollars no it was one of the things that a book I read when I was in the Crossbar Motel. You read it, yeah, I read, but basically he won 35.
Speaker 1:He read a lot to be president. He used to could.
Speaker 8:That's crazy, Basically John F Kennedy's dad, Jack Kennedy, who was a senator forever Him and fucking vice president for Kennedy.
Speaker 6:Johnson, johnson.
Speaker 8:And they were kind of like close, but they got a tiffed. So it was. It was ironic that Johnson became the vice president under Jack's son the powers that be yeah. And so that's how that's like. I believe it. I want to say Roosevelt, roosevelt, yeah.
Speaker 5:So they wanted the.
Speaker 8:Roosevelt. So then, why did Kennedy get killed then? Why did he got killed?
Speaker 5:because people, because he was ruckling the federal he said he wanted to get rid of the federal reserves.
Speaker 8:He wanted to get rid of CIA A couple of things.
Speaker 5:The federal reserve is a private bank.
Speaker 8:And you want to get rid of the CIA.
Speaker 3:Listen. No, because he did not want to go into Vietnam. Because he didn't want to go into Vietnam, listen. When did? When did we? When did?
Speaker 5:we start this Vietnam war.
Speaker 3:I'm asking.
Speaker 8:Joe, we had to we had we had observers like in 63, 64 Vietnam.
Speaker 4:I think it was 65.
Speaker 8:Yeah.
Speaker 5:When actually it was established. 65. Okay.
Speaker 8:Then put when was the first American in Vietnam?
Speaker 5:I think they call them. Yeah, that was probably 63 or 64.
Speaker 8:I think that's more like 60, 59, 60 65. Okay, when was I? When was JFK?
Speaker 3:assassinated. 63. There you go. So Lyndon Johnson sent him, lyndon Johnson sent him Right yeah.
Speaker 8:That's a lot of motherfucker right there because there is. We had American troops in Vietnam before the 60s, yeah.
Speaker 3:Okay. Do we know why we we got involved in the Vietnam war, the Gulf of Tonkin incident?
Speaker 8:Yeah, that's what they're saying, yeah.
Speaker 3:That's what. That's what preceded us to going into Vietnam. I mean, guess what? That shit never happened.
Speaker 4:So, it's not a war.
Speaker 5:It's conflict. Yeah, google.
Speaker 3:It never happened. The Gulf of Tonkin never happened. It was a lie. That was told. I don't know. It was a lie.
Speaker 5:We should have and Kennedy's. That's in Federal Reserve. Let's see what it says. Because they were the two presidents that were assassinated because they wanted to get off the one of the American habits on money. And I go through the Federal Reserve, which is a private bank hold by the.
Speaker 4:Rothschilds and all them.
Speaker 5:Right, right.
Speaker 4:What are the mega powers of the world?
Speaker 2:So, they're old school from Europe, so talking about the, the term limits and just like how politics is done nowadays. I don't know about you guys but maybe in the next 20 years or so I think we're going to see some pretty significant like political changes. I for one have been following the convention of states movement. Have you guys heard about that? Never heard that. So they're. They're getting pretty fucking far. Convention of states what is it?
Speaker 5:So are you talking about leaving like succeeding in the US. Oh okay, I didn't know if this was because they have to do the convention of the states, where they can actually vote themselves on the United States.
Speaker 6:What Texas could do.
Speaker 5:Yeah, they decided to leave the United States, I could.
Speaker 2:So convention of states convention of states is under article five of the Constitution and it basically explains how, as we know, congress by two thirds vote has to approve the Constitution amendments and at which point it goes to the states to be ratified. Right, that's the normal way. The other way is that kind of backwards you get Congress completely out of it and you get three fourths of the states to vote to start a convention and then they send delegates, they vote on whatever amendments they want to do and then it gets sent out to be so who at the states determines that we can hold the convention?
Speaker 5:The legislators. Okay, so you got to get every house and Senate of each state to vote to do this. You have to get.
Speaker 2:You have to get three quarters of them, so you're going to get like 38 states or whatever it is. So two, I stand corrected. Two thirds of the states have to pass an identically worded resolution, and then Congress, according to the Constitution, is forced to call a convention.
Speaker 6:They have no choice.
Speaker 2:They have to, and then Congress after that point is completely out of it. They have your, your bias.
Speaker 8:So when they did this, then the people, the legislators, the state, state's legislature would act on the wall. They should act on behalf of the people in their states and the people, the United States citizens, we, the people, could say we want term limits for Congress.
Speaker 2:We want term limits. We want, whatever it has to be, what their application says. They identical worded your requirement and I'm not going to bother reading it unless you want to, but the point is is they have limited this convention to three specific things reigning in the federal government, the powers of the federal government, fiscal restraints and, I believe term limits was one of them. So, anyway, so you need 34 of the states to pass this resolution. 19 of them have already, really, yes, and the ones that there are, some there's a handful that the application has passed in one chamber but not the other.
Speaker 8:Please tell me Michigan's one of them. No, no, fuck them, I'm moving to fucking Texas. No, I'm not.
Speaker 2:I hate Texas. Let's see the ones that have passed it let's see Very Republican Texas hasn't passed it either. Georgia, Alaska, Florida, Alabama, Tennessee, Indiana, Oklahoma, Louisiana, Arizona, North Dakota, Texas did pass it Missouri, Arkansas, Utah, Mississippi, Wisconsin, Nebraska, Wisconsin.
Speaker 8:I'll go to Indiana or Wisconsin. Fuck, I can't do that because I hate the Packers. I can't live in fucking Wisconsin you don't want to be a cheesehead. No.
Speaker 3:The cheese is delicious over there. I've been there. I don't care I ain't there cheese I bet you have. I told you it was an everything right.
Speaker 8:What was her name? Don't worry about it, don't worry about it.
Speaker 2:So anyway, we need 34 states to pass the resolution, and 19 have passed it already.
Speaker 8:Interesting.
Speaker 2:Something to look at. Good to have a geek right, good to have a geek. I've been following these guys. When it comes up in Michigan, you're damn straight. I'll be down in Lansing because the thing is with the state process. You have to open that up because it goes through the committees before it goes to the floor the whole night. When they put it on the committee floor you can go down to Lansing and say your piece.
Speaker 8:How'd that work out with the guys with the M4s?
Speaker 6:Probably not.
Speaker 2:So the reason I brought that up, though specifically, was I foresee some significant things happening politically the next 20 years, because if they do get a convention passed and that convention says hey there's going to be term limits now, you know well, one convention had already been passed at that point, so who's to say we don't have another? For some other specific reasons, you know, because there's a lot of people that are going against the fricking electoral college and doing all these other?
Speaker 5:things. The popular vote should not even be done in the state.
Speaker 6:In this state.
Speaker 5:At any state level. Why? Because a popular vote is a terrible idea, because it does not represent your state. Why it's tyranny of the majority Because you have the tyranny of the majority. So if you have between Lansing, Grand Rapids and Detroit, do you think they have more say, rules or regulations than some of that lives up in Sault Ste Marie?
Speaker 3:Well, of course they do. There's more population.
Speaker 5:So let me ask you a question. If California decides to vote on rules that apply to our post right, and they say your. Bfw is going to go do this, this, this, this, this, this, this this.
Speaker 5:And we have 75 more million members than you do in Michigan and now we have to do that. Is that fair to us? No, they don't live here. They have no idea what actually goes on. So when you take the power away from the minority, right, that's what you're doing. When you do a popular vote, you take it away from the minority and you give it to the majority.
Speaker 8:So you're saying the electrical college is a good thing.
Speaker 2:Did he say electrical college, electrical?
Speaker 8:Right son.
Speaker 7:So there's two good examples for this too.
Speaker 3:Now you care about the minority.
Speaker 5:I always care about the minority, so the country is supposed to be ran from the majority. Think about it in the 50s and 60s when you had water problems and shit.
Speaker 7:the majority was to take control of that Same thing. In Germany, you had the Nazis taking care of the Jews. They were the majority. Were they doing the right thing just because they were voting that way?
Speaker 3:I get it, I get it.
Speaker 8:But the popular vote is bad because you'll always have a president in California once we have a governor.
Speaker 5:The governor never comes to Mount Pleasant, Michigan, to campaign. Why? Because all she needs is Detroit.
Speaker 6:Lansing and Grand Rapids In Flint. That's it.
Speaker 5:So the only place she has to go to, so she's not never going to come up here, or he's never going to come up here and talk to us. Maybe they might go to Traverse City. Maybe Maybe but just because it's pretty up there, so they're going to want to go up there.
Speaker 8:And they're going to go up there to get to Rio Grande. They're definitely not going to go to the UP.
Speaker 5:Yeah, they're talking to anybody up there to find out what their problems and concerns are. What can I do?
Speaker 2:to help you up here. And don't forget, let's expand this back to the federal level real quick. Don't forget. The state legislatures used to be the ones that decided who your state senators were. Remember that? Well, none of us do, because that was before our time. No, I don't know about that.
Speaker 8:I always remember having to vote for state senators.
Speaker 2:Well, it was not always like that. Early 1900s they passed a law. It was either the law or a constitutional amendment that you voted at that.
Speaker 3:Well, I believe that the people and we're talking 1800s used to. We didn't elect a president. We elected representatives who chose the president.
Speaker 2:And that's the electoral colleges, what we do right now, and then they're even talking about, did you find it? No, I wasn't sure if you're only looking up when we started directly electing our federal Senate.
Speaker 5:So here it is.
Speaker 2:And at the same time we started.
Speaker 3:I want to say it was like 1910 or 1920.
Speaker 2:1914., 1914.
Speaker 3:What about the?
Speaker 2:president, president's always been elected the way we've had to.
Speaker 5:That was always about Abraham Lincoln.
Speaker 3:Yeah so look it up. Look it up, it's always been elected motherfucker what you think.
Speaker 8:somebody just said oh, would you be the? Oh? By the way, tray, I'm going to appoint you as the fucking president.
Speaker 2:Well, the city of my pleasant Right and at the same time you could argue that was maybe Washington because he was the first, but I mean, I think he was elected.
Speaker 5:We elect the city commissioners Right, right, and they're going to be a staggered terms, you know. So they're not all expiring in the same year. But every year that commission elects a mayor, a vice mayor it's not voted on by the citizens of my pleasant. We elect them to that committee, right, and so the commission, city commission, and then every year they vote on who they want to run out of them.
Speaker 3:Right, what'd you find, joe?
Speaker 7:This says the founding fathers established the electoral college and the constitution in part as a compromise between election the president by a vote in Congress, election the president by a popular vote to qualify the citizens. However, the term electoral college does not appear in a constitution. Article two the constitution 12th amendment referred electors but not to electoral college.
Speaker 3:So what? So how was the president elected back in the day?
Speaker 8:He just read it. You dumbass, Stupid fucking cocksucker.
Speaker 6:That didn't really say nothing.
Speaker 3:They established the electoral college. He just kind of what exactly his politics.
Speaker 8:You just running around in fucking circles.
Speaker 2:That was shit by the way. So my point, the other point I was trying to make about the oh, there's, a second one? No, it's still the second. Why'd you say second time? Yeah, I don't know. It's the same thing I talked about.
Speaker 8:So motherfucker.
Speaker 5:Fill out the application for the writers group. If you're going to be the quartermaster, it's going to. I'm going to pass that on the floor. If you're the quartermaster, you got to be a member of the writers group.
Speaker 2:All right cool, so I'll do that later We'll get you a moped.
Speaker 5:Just so I can name you two parts. We have Callie. That's an honorary member. We can maybe do that.
Speaker 2:So but think about it. So we were just talking about Tierney and majority right. When's the last time Michigan had a I'm not going to say Republican because I don't really give a shit what party but when's the last time we had a conservative state senator on the federal level?
Speaker 5:Shit we have one now.
Speaker 3:No, we don't Wait, no senator A conservative.
Speaker 5:It would have been the nerd before uh Grandholm uh, or right after Grandholm uh Snyder.
Speaker 3:No, he said a senator.
Speaker 5:Senator, oh, senator In Congress. I thought you were talking about governor, sorry.
Speaker 8:Well, do you mean a Republican, or do you mean a liberal Democrat?
Speaker 2:So a Senate Republican, whoever, whoever you know, so you have.
Speaker 5:So we send a senator in a Congress. While you can send up to based on your population depends on how many you get at the federal level.
Speaker 2:Now I'm. I'm just, I did a quick search, but I feel like the most recent Republican. Spencer Abraham from 95, 2001, he's not our Congress, he's not our senator Senator.
Speaker 3:He is Debbie Stabenow was Stabenow 2001 to present Stabenow.
Speaker 5:Yeah, she is very liberal.
Speaker 3:He's 95 from 2001.
Speaker 5:From here from this area. Actually, I went to school with Donald Regal. He's almost.
Speaker 8:He's almost a year old.
Speaker 3:He's almost a year old. It was vacant from oh four days. Okay, philip.
Speaker 5:Hart, carl Carl Levin was awesome Actually, when I got out of service and I started my apprenticeship, my sister-in-law, kate, worked for the House Democrats and she worked for Whitmer and she worked for other senators or shit like that, but she was actually the press secretary or whatever for the House Democrats, worked for Whitmer before she got out of politics. But anyways, she obviously knew somebody at Carl Levin and I wasn't getting paid for my apprenticeship through the GI Bill.
Speaker 5:And they ran us through the fucking wringer dude. So it was like two years, like two years to fucking finally get paid and I got all the back pay and it took. Carl Carl for me to go through my apprenticeship, my GI Bill.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 5:Because we're a nationally accredited apprenticeship at Local A5. Took forever. There's a plug.
Speaker 6:No, seriously. No, we're just nationally accredited.
Speaker 5:So it through the Department of Labor, but it was fucking nightmare.
Speaker 2:So Trey was correct, we did have a Republican, and I'm only 32, so I didn't know that. My entire life it's always been freaking Debbie Stabenow and what's his name. But the point still stands, though, is that until 1914, the state legislators were the ones that appointed our United States senators for the state, and so again, tyranny of the majority, right so, grand Rapids, detroit, you know, whatever the Metroplexes are the ones that were that are making that decision now, right Before, it was all of the state legislators.
Speaker 2:Well, you know you have a good mix of legislators, you know. So back then that's my argument Back then it probably wasn't like it is now, and I'm sure it's like that for probably some of the other states too. So that'd be one thing Repeal that, get rid of it, go back to the state legislators, like it was originally supposed to be, so that you know when we vote no president.
Speaker 2:No for Congress, for our United States senators. We vote for senators, yes, but we take that away and we let our state legislators vote for our senators.
Speaker 8:No, we vote for senators.
Speaker 2:Man, he's confused. He's not an understandable one. I'm trying to tell.
Speaker 8:Evidently because you've been talking in fucking circles for an hour. You should have stopped at one part, okay? I mean, no, we vote for senators, I know, but we never, we haven't always done that. Who cares? What we haven't always done, we do now, if we do now right the point here it is right. Part one I'm gonna fucking kill you. Drake and I are not quiet. Fucking opener, thank you.
Speaker 5:I don't know we're gonna hear the juggler squirt, or something. I don't want to get the sky loud.
Speaker 8:Yeah, we don't want to get it. Okay, give me the point.
Speaker 5:We do that plastic. This does look like murder's row.
Speaker 2:I'm not a great speaker all the time, so Charlie helped me out here. But the point was until 1914, our state legislators that we voted in were the ones that made the decision of who to send to the United States Senate. So we vote for them. They vote for the senators. Since then, we vote directly for the senators At national.
Speaker 5:At the national Right. Yeah, it used to not be that way and I don't know where it changed, but I did hear that.
Speaker 2:And so, the current system being the way it is, who makes that decision? Detroit, grand Rapids, lansing the Metroplexes we're all the populations at? You should move there and have your voice be heard, but if my point exactly, but if the legislators right who we have. I don't know what the numbers are, but we have. We have a good spread of legislators.
Speaker 8:You really think their motherfuckers are going to do what we want? No, they're going to do what they want, so let's just leave it alone.
Speaker 2:Who's our legislator, though? Like Roger Halk right. So if he was the one Good guy that would represent our area and his vote would go to. My brother used to work with him.
Speaker 5:Well, but but Roger Halk, if we did the electoral college, he could pick up Claire County, he could pick up this county and this county and this county and this county, right, so it's, it's almost the same thing when you're talking the national level, the electoral college Iowa actually matters, montana actually matters, maine actually matters. They have like one electoral college, voter three or whatever it is. Some state split. It's weird when they split, but at least you're counted. Now the world would be counted.
Speaker 5:Or else. Or else for the president, it'd be fucking New York state, it'd be a fuck California, and that's who would elect our president. Our vote wouldn't even matter. You know how the mayor matter.
Speaker 2:When they split, how they do it is by their congressional district. So we have Molinar right, so his congressional district would get one vote, as well as the other districts. Plus you get two votes on top of that for your, for your senators. That's how.
Speaker 5:That's how Maine does it, but because they only have three, the reason why it was always done that way with the electoral colleges, so the fact that everybody is represented, everybody's vote, counts. The problem is, even if it doesn't, well, it does. But if you just did popular vote, no one's supporting even going to the polls, you just wait to see what California and New York wants to do, because that's who's going to be running the show every time. And I guess if you want your fucking vote count, I guess move to New York, california, good luck with it.
Speaker 5:Cause I ain't moving to Detroit, Lansing or Grand Rapids either, but so I think it should be applied at the state level to make sure that everybody, regardless of if you live in Escota County or you live in whatever up in UP somewhere, at least your vote goes to something you can. You can see it on the ticker at the end of the night my vote actually, you know and and that's and that's us talking about the Senate.
Speaker 2:The same thing could be said for the house. By a congressional uh or a uh constitutional amendment I believe it was is how we get to our 435. Well, that's averaging about 900 and some thousand people per representative, and that's never how it was intended. At one point we had over a thousand people in the house until they limited it. So there's a whole thing going on right now that they want to increase it to 900 and some odd people in the house, which would give each representative about 50,000 to 100,000 people. You know just kind of lower the number.
Speaker 7:It's got to affect the 270 number for the president.
Speaker 2:I don't know. I don't know how any of that shit works. But yeah, I'm just saying so over the next 20 years we could see some significant changes. We could see term limits enacted on the federal level. We could see some fiscal restraints.
Speaker 5:So I'm going to throw this out. My brother in law said on the city commission or sat on, was elected to the city commission, probably 15 to 20 years Mayor, four or five years of that, you know, was elected out of the commission. He is a you know, speak for him, but I think he is underlying thing was he was a proponent of not having term limits. But the sole fact is by the time you get in, you get established, you figure out the rules and all the things that are going on.
Speaker 5:I'll give you that You're done and you got to leave, right. So I think what he was thinking is if they were a little bit longer, so like 12 years. Like here in the state, if you're in the house, it's like every two years. You got to get elected and you can only do three terms for six years. So by the time you're you're a freshman, right. You get in your first year. What are you doing? You're campaigning for your next fucking election. You know what I mean? You just got your feet wet. Now you got to freaking, go back out and campaign again to get elected.
Speaker 2:You actually get some work done for a year and then you're back out If you make your terms.
Speaker 5:Longer you can do more shit. Right, right. So if you made them, like you know, four years or three years, but you do three terms or four terms and then you're done, get 12 years total, like here. It's like after six years you're out, you fit your term limits, you get three, two year terms.
Speaker 8:I didn't know. The state had term limits. Yeah, I'm talking about the federal.
Speaker 6:I mean, I know, I know, I know, I get it but they still apply up there.
Speaker 5:They've got nothing. We're here in the state, you do. Well, why do you have it in the state but you don't have it at the federal level? Because we enacted it at the state level, right, so they don't want to do it.
Speaker 2:So what do you think you're talking?
Speaker 5:to yourself out of a job.
Speaker 2:So what do you think about that? Like say, just take the president, for example, because right now it's two four year terms. What if you take out reelection entirely? Give them one six year term or one five and a half year term, right, so now they don't worry about reelection at all, but they get a decent chunk of time.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I would. I would rather do one eight year term, and then you're just done. One eight year straight term and you're done, biden could really fuck us in the year.
Speaker 2:In the year.
Speaker 5:You think it's eight years. You honestly think it's just him. No, I don't Okay, so regardless, it's not just him.
Speaker 2:But see, eight years is damn near a whole decade and I think that's a little long. I think four years is too little and I think eight years is too much, and also that's why I was like five and a half years maybe.
Speaker 5:Well, you know, you know how much money we spend on elections Literally the. It's ridiculous how many billions of dollars we probably spent paying poll workers and ballots and machines and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker 4:And they're all, and they're all fucking anyway. You take that stuff and the you know the hundreds of millions you know in campaigns. I mean not a mile right there could help almost veterans and feed poor and so on and so on.
Speaker 2:But there's some ideas you know around the world, like when his wife was here a couple of episodes ago, she was talking about some good shit. You know, she's talking about healthcare and she was talking about, like things that in America would be extremely difficult to act, just because of how our country is. You know, because I mean, take universal healthcare, for example, because my background is health administration, that's what my bachelor's degree is in is health administration. So take healthcare as an example. We try to put out, you know, a universal healthcare system In the United States. It's going to spectacularly fail. Why? Because we already have one. It's called the Department of Veterans Affairs and it's fucking horrible. There's certain pockets that are really good. I think Saginaw is pretty good.
Speaker 4:You know, because I am originally got better over the years yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, because I'm originally from Grand Rapids, so I was under the Battle Creek VA. Okay, the fucking suck. All right, they were horrible. And a number of years ago, usa Today came out and rated all of the VA areas Battle Creek rated three out of five stars and Saginaw got five out of five. So and then when I moved to Mount Pleasant and I transferred everything to Saginaw, it was night and day, you know, my compensation and pension evaluations were completely different, like my doctors actually fucking listened to me, like you know, down in Grand Rapids, I, you know, I don't know, I wouldn't be where I am today if I was still down there. I can tell you that. So you know, but that's just, that's just me.
Speaker 2:But again, there's certain pockets that are garbage, just straight garbage on fire, you know, and there's other ones that are really, really good. So you know, you know, take that and just apply it to the rest of the country. You're going to have areas that are great and you're going to have areas that suck. You know so, and I had to do a report on this in college and I used Canada as an example, obviously because they're the closest example I could find. So, basically, at one point in time. I don't know what it is now, but at one point in time the entire province of Quebec had one MRI machine. Oh shit.
Speaker 7:Jesus, jesus.
Speaker 2:So do the math. So they had to sit there and ration that thing out and that thing never turned off because they had all these freaking patients. God forbid. Maintenance had to be done on it. No, no, not at all.
Speaker 2:And so, by contrast, in that report I did. I thought off the top of my head, because I was living in Grand Rapids at the time. I thought off the top of my head how many MRI machines can I count in my head Just in Grand Rapids, by itself, each of the three major hospitals had one MetroHealth, which is now University of Michigan, spectrum and Mercy all have one, at least one, I think they have multiple. So just in one city, one county alone were so much different. And that was just an example. So the point I was trying to make is just, we have such a different demographic and we have so many more people. We have 300-some-odd million people to provide healthcare for, if that's what we did Right. So I mentioned your wife talking about universal healthcare and some of these other things. What else did she talk about while she was here that they do over there, that's? Did she say daycare or something too?
Speaker 3:Yeah, you get. Well, not necessarily daycare. It's not daycare, but how?
Speaker 5:much time leave you get when you have a child born. It's like a year. You get like the first year paid at home with your child after they're born and I think the father gets like six months or something. It was pretty long.
Speaker 3:I can't remember exactly how much time, but it was something like that, it's valuable time. Well, no, there's no doubt about it, right and well, not only that, the school, school, college is paid for. College is paid for. And the question is how the fuck can a poor country like Poland and their poor pay for their kids to go to school? And we can't, we can't figure that out. What's the population?
Speaker 5:in Poland.
Speaker 4:I think, schools make money.
Speaker 8:We fight all their battles, I think you know the air quotes the American thought process.
Speaker 5:How many is in Michigan?
Speaker 2:Wait, say that again the 30, there's 38 million people in Poland.
Speaker 5:That's their population. 10 million here in Michigan. You take like Michigan, wisconsin and Indiana. Right, that's the population of Poland, probably I'm just assuming Somewhere around here. Yeah right, so tiny, tiny, yep.
Speaker 2:What is what is, and yet they can pay for what is it?
Speaker 5:What are? What are? What are our three states pay for for National Guard? That's all Poland has for defense.
Speaker 3:Hold on, let me Google this how many Polish citizens live outside of Poland?
Speaker 5:He asked the Polish population.
Speaker 3:No, no. How many Polish citizens live outside of 20 million? So that's how many have left? There's 38 million there right now but they got 20 million living outside of their borders. Right, but because but your wife's not paying?
Speaker 5:Polish taxes so what you point.
Speaker 3:Yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 5:So the fuck cares, we're talking about the lives there.
Speaker 6:Right.
Speaker 3:They're paying or going to college, so you're talking. My point is this if it's so great, why is almost absolutely fucking population. Leave there Right, because they're poor. It's poor country it is.
Speaker 5:Right, but you asked how they could pay for college. Yeah, we're not saying that you know that it's a great country.
Speaker 4:You made the very fact point of how poor they are. Right, they can still do the fund Right? Yeah, all that school.
Speaker 2:But that's not to say that it has to be like. You know, she's still talking.
Speaker 5:I don't think he shuts off.
Speaker 2:It doesn't have to be, you know, all four years. Maybe that's how they do it, I don't know, but when it was to take that and, you know, give an American example. Maybe we just pay for your community college and we get your fucking gen eds out of the way or something.
Speaker 8:Next we're going to start talking about fucking freedom.
Speaker 3:I have a theory here. Okay, let's hear it why America doesn't pay. Because listen, what if suppose we do get invaded Right, suppose we do get invaded Americans? We're fucking stupid. We're so stupid we're going to fucking drive to Colorado during red dawn and we're going to fucking fight those cops.
Speaker 7:Our chance is getting invaded, compared to Poland are like 6 million to one I'm going to go buy a louder ticket.
Speaker 5:if I hit that fucker, that means we're getting invaded tomorrow. Listen, right, just let me know.
Speaker 3:It's not going to happen. Listen, my wife, when she was up here, you know she was giving her a perspective. We were having one of these and she said if we find out we're getting invaded tomorrow, we're giving up today.
Speaker 8:And then she goes, and then all the doctors and the physicists will all be in America.
Speaker 5:Yeah, and this is this is this is where I'm going with it is we spend our money differently. So here's the problem back in. You know my grandfather's town. If you had a high school education, you were educated.
Speaker 3:Yep, yep.
Speaker 5:Right, you got a great job. People still had good jobs that didn't even finish high school or whatever else. Yeah, had good jobs, but if you had the high school right, that would give you the leg up. Now high school really means nothing. Right, you might as well not even have an education. You get high school. You're getting all the low paying jobs. Now you get to college. You get the mid level jobs. For most of them, you know what I mean. Now you got to get the masters and the doctorates to be ahead of everybody else. So all they did was punt the football and said hey, you got to go to college to get a great job Bullshit. Now you get a four year degree. You're getting an average job. You're not getting a great job Average. You got to get the masters or the doctorate to get a great job.
Speaker 2:The value of the degree is diminishing Big time.
Speaker 6:Yeah.
Speaker 5:So pushing everybody to college isn't going to get you a better job. All it's going to do.
Speaker 2:And starting at the very beginning. Your K through 12 is mostly bullshit.
Speaker 5:And I can tell you because then you college classes are mostly bull. You want, you want a great job.
Speaker 8:But that's the point. Join the fucking military baby.
Speaker 2:So so you do K through 12, and I said it's mostly bullshit. And you said college is mostly bullshit, and I agree. But what do they do when you graduate K through 12? They immediately make you take the same fucking courses all over again. Yeah, and pay for it, and college. And make you pay for it.
Speaker 3:For you know, and it's just like and that's also something my wife could tell you is that our education system is lacking.
Speaker 8:Oh, there's no doubt.
Speaker 3:They were doing fucking. She said they were doing like physics, physics in fucking high school physics. Are Polish people supposed to be stupid? That was. That's the stereotype.
Speaker 2:Right, physics was offered at my high school, but it sure as hell wasn't a required class yeah.
Speaker 3:And they're fucking they. I mean, those are some smart motherfuckers over there, so, but I can tell you this that not everybody goes to college over there.
Speaker 6:Yeah.
Speaker 3:You know, a lot of people do take advantage of it, but the world needs ditch diggers.
Speaker 5:So our our problem is is that here in Michigan we're mandated by the federal government how we're going to educate our kids, why? Why shouldn't it be left up to the school board? Is that we elect at the local level to say, the kids of Mount Pleasant or the kids in Traverse City or the kids in Lansing need to learn this or that?
Speaker 2:Well, it's okay to set up a base.
Speaker 5:It's coming from somebody that has no idea the way that we live right or the type of work we have here right or anything else. Tell us how we have to educate our kids.
Speaker 6:It's what we elect the school board.
Speaker 5:The school board should set the curriculum because this is what we need in this area.
Speaker 3:And I think there needs to be a standardization kind of across the board.
Speaker 5:A baseline, a baseline very basic shit.
Speaker 6:Yeah, like you need a math reading, right Science reading writing arithmetic, because listen, is that cursive?
Speaker 8:writing or just regular writing my kids, my kids, nobody fucking uses cursive anymore, old man.
Speaker 7:My kids spent more time they can't read as historical documents.
Speaker 5:My kids spent more time studying or going over a mandated national test because all the students had to meet a certain level and that was shit that they didn't even need to learn per se just to get ready to take this test so that the schools would score high enough to get funding.
Speaker 3:Well, what they need to do.
Speaker 5:It was ridiculous.
Speaker 3:What they need to do is instead of every school is funded by their community, right? So your property taxes pays for the school in the area, right?
Speaker 5:That's what's supposed to happen.
Speaker 3:So what happens in those poor communities? So we're in Mount Pleasant, relatively speaking middle, I'd say middle to poor here in Mount. Pleasant in Isabella County. Grashet County's probably even worse. I didn't think about that. So what happens to those kids? They get the shit end of the stick because they're living in poor communities.
Speaker 5:No, we're not talking sharing funding. Well, we should. No, I have no problem sharing funding. What I'm talking about no hookers allowed. What I'm talking about is that the school board in Elma and Grashet County should dictate how their students are taught. I'm not talking about funding coming back from the state or anywhere else. We're talking about the actual education of the students.
Speaker 3:But if their schools are poorly funded because the people are poor, then the kids are suffering for that Right.
Speaker 5:So not all the money just strictly comes from your tax base. There's portions of it that go to the state and then they get kicked back appropriately throughout all the school districts or whatever right.
Speaker 5:So just because we might pass a bond message to build a new high school that comes directly from us, part of the property taxes go down to the state for schooling and then get reappropriated back out to all the different school districts. So there's people say, Mount Pleasant, we don't have enough, we might get portions from Detroit, we might get a portion from Travis City or from this you know right. So some of our money is going to help Grashet County or going to help Macosta County or going to help whatever else.
Speaker 5:And that's why it's not always that what it is when you, when you drive by and you look at a shitty building, is because the residents of Macosta County didn't want to pass a bond to build a new school, or upgrade a school.
Speaker 3:They also don't have the fucking money for that.
Speaker 2:Well, and that's why you also get school districts like Tri-County School District or whatever. They come together and they pool their money to do what needs to be done Right.
Speaker 8:So it's not like high speed school, it feels like my school, they do have a great it wasn't like that when.
Speaker 3:I was there. Oh yeah, me either. Back in 1921.
Speaker 8:Yeah me and.
Speaker 7:Tab Tab alumni warriors.
Speaker 6:So, we got a fucking warrior too.
Speaker 3:yeah yeah, you got a lot of them too.
Speaker 5:We got a visitor that just came in. She must have been out here on the jewelry meeting. Sorry, I don't fit the spot. I'm going to assume Round the table. Introduce yourself. Hi, I'm Tab with the Gates. I'm an auxiliary member for post-333. And the riders group. Member. And the riders group member yeah, what's up with that? Fucking, I was going to say jumpsuit. She looks like Santa Claus.
Speaker 9:I wore a dress all day and I wanted to be comfortable.
Speaker 5:You wore it all day.
Speaker 3:You changed without me. You went to work in that.
Speaker 5:No, I wore a dress.
Speaker 6:You're such a word dress all day man you don't listen, I don't know, I don't know I don't know if you become an East.
Speaker 3:I'm United States Army. I don't listen, hold on, I'm going to women talk about your wheels.
Speaker 5:I hear the Charlie Brown.
Speaker 2:I can tell you how he got a E7. He typed up his own promotion record Coming from a guy who's always out there.
Speaker 3:Shut your fucking mouth.
Speaker 8:Brent.
Speaker 5:Give away his secrets, All right so that's moved on off elections.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because it's depressing. Well, not only that, it's pretty convoluted shit, but I don't know.
Speaker 8:So let's talk about something fun Bowling tournament. Bowling, pov bowling tournament.
Speaker 5:Nine pin, no tap. Nine pin, no tap. So on the previous podcast we talked about the VOD, which is Voice of the Microsand, the Patriot PEN program. We have our post fund raiser bowling tournament this weekend at Riverwood, signed up ready to go. I'm bowling with Brian Schaener.
Speaker 8:Oh that you guys could do well, you guys could do well. We're going to roll the ball. He hasn't bowled all year, but you could do well.
Speaker 5:Well, I'm averaging. I was 182,. I rolled average 195 last week when I bowled. I only bowled once a month, so my average is down, but yeah.
Speaker 8:I had a hell of a lot of nines.
Speaker 5:Man, that one lane did not treat me well. It was like nine strike, nine strike, nine strike. I was picking up spares and doing shit and every now and again I'd get lucky on that left lane. But man, that bitch was tough you ever bowled 300?
Speaker 5:I have not, so my dad has. I bowled at 289. I had a nine spares in the first frame, struck address the game out, and then the very next game. So like game two or game three, I ran like the front seven, so seven, or else I had like 16 or 17 strikes in a row, but they were not in a consecutive game.
Speaker 8:I had never done it. So my, my brother, I had a 300 series.
Speaker 4:My brother Mario.
Speaker 3:Teever, mario bowled a 299 the other day. Oh my God, 299.
Speaker 8:Mario.
Speaker 3:Yep Say that, hold up. Say that one more time.
Speaker 8:Fuck Mario.
Speaker 5:He probably went down there and had a kid back in a pit, not knocking Hulking pins over there.
Speaker 8:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5:You're going to take this plastic shits and on, sees it so opaque and just started knocking pins over.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah.
Speaker 5:Guaranteed. So cheat motherfucker. Yeah, that money goes to a good cause.
Speaker 8:Yeah, next year we're going to increase the prize money for our post winners, so maybe we can get a little more participation.
Speaker 7:Yeah.
Speaker 5:Then we got our Ryder's group breakfast meeting on Sunday.
Speaker 8:Yeah, it's going to be pretty good Full weekend for me.
Speaker 5:Jen's taken off to go up and visit our daughter.
Speaker 8:Hopefully it'll be nice to be able to ride.
Speaker 6:Oh my.
Speaker 7:God Fish and turn. I'm riding a marathon.
Speaker 3:I've been dying to go on a ride.
Speaker 7:Did you get it Saturday? We pick it up.
Speaker 8:Did they get that little snag doing that? You got going on and fucked.
Speaker 7:They haven't told them what they're going to do about it yet.
Speaker 8:Okay.
Speaker 5:They better figure it out. So, yeah, the old jeweler sitting here. He picked up his new Harley.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, can we talk about that?
Speaker 5:Dude, my name is Toby tonight because I was his personal chauffeur all day.
Speaker 8:He was going to. And here's the funny thing is right. So I'm struggling with this. I'm going to do I want to. So I went into the credit union and they basically approved me for eight grand and I was like, okay, because that's what I figured from my trade in, and then if I had to give a little money I'd get it down to eight and whatever.
Speaker 8:That would be close to where I was at, so I go in there and I get that all approved and shit like that. And before I left, though, couldn't get in my safe when my titles was up, so I'm like fuck, did you get that on my track?
Speaker 8:Yeah, oh, I didn't know, so, anyway, so I get get to the Harley shop. I was looking at a 2013 street glide that was 13 or 12, 913,000. Then I seen this other ultra classic that was blue and blue and silver. I thought it was black and I'm a writer fan. So, I was like yeah, it's a real deep, deep blue.
Speaker 5:Is that the one? You got.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 8:And that was like 11. So I'm, and it had less mileage so I'm like fuck it, I'm going to go with this one. So a year was it 2012. Okay, and so the lady told me she said okay, I need this, this and this. So I had to go and get a payoff for my bike. So I went and paid the 367 that I still owed on on old girl I miss her already, I missed the page, but anyway. So I paid that off and I had to run the secretary state because my title was locked in my safe and they said they would print me a title. So I get in there and I'm like mother fucker, there's like 12 people in there.
Speaker 8:And then there's someone fucking trying to get a title but he's from South Carolina or some fucking state. And they keep telling me mom, no, you have to call that. I called them, but you have to call them, and then they have to. And he just kept. I'm like, yep, I won't be out of here until tomorrow. So I left. I said Charlie to the house, to the house, we're going to break into that safe. And Charlie's like, well, why don't you take it out to gilbos? I said good idea.
Speaker 6:It was gilbos. Gilo is locking safe.
Speaker 5:Yeah, okay so these are the safecracker guys. They could do the keys for your buildings. They can do all their, their, their, their good dudes.
Speaker 8:And I'm like okay, so how about we do this? I have to put full coverage on the bike. So let's go to the insurance company. I'll get the full coverage. I'm going to stop at the house and then you know, you can go do your thing and I'll. And he's like, well, no, I'm here, man, I'll just run you out to gilbos running the house, grab the safe. So I do that.
Speaker 5:We get out to gilbos. Tim is the king of procrastination.
Speaker 8:Yes, we all know this.
Speaker 5:I'm going to say no, we're just going to go get this done.
Speaker 8:We're going to go get it. Yeah, it's not going to get done, so let them. Yeah, so we, I get the safe, and it's just a little cheap safe. And what was happening is, uh, I'd put the key in to turn it but the little the lock that was supposed to engage the opener was just spinning. I was like what the hell is going on with this? I've been very good at not saying motherfuckers. Long story short. So we go out to gilbos. Right, get out there, walk in. I got my safe. I'm like, hey, I need you guys to help me break into my safe. Charlie was going to be a smart ass and say and do it quick, because the cops are on their way.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I was getting up like I'm glad I didn't say that because they would have looked, but he had the key right, yeah, I had the key.
Speaker 8:So the guy looked at it and I'm holding it and he's like, okay, well, put the key in. I put the key in and I turned it and I heard clunk. I was like, oh, motherfucking, no.
Speaker 5:So I turned it it opened, so just taking it horizontally and inverting it, whatever was pushing at it and probably falling down Right.
Speaker 7:Yeah.
Speaker 5:Let stuff move around to be able to open it. So we got a good laugh. The guys were like, well, that's a hundred bucks.
Speaker 6:The guy did was nothing Right. We're just standing in the shop.
Speaker 8:Yeah, good to see you. We thought we'd stop in and say hi.
Speaker 5:So we run back down to the Harley shop. Yeah, we walk into the sales guy sitting in his office, you know whatever, and he was like back already. I said, yep, ready to go. The lady comes up and goes. Man, that was fast.
Speaker 8:He goes only cause I got a Charlie. I got a Charlie, Make sure I get it done.
Speaker 5:We're all about proficiency. Get it done, get it done, get it going Bank, and then I left him and then he rode the new girl home. Oh, you did, you rode home.
Speaker 8:Oh shit, the fairy fucking godmother ain't going to ride at home.
Speaker 3:I mean, what the rush? I don't know. He, this motherfucker, don't have his bike yet.
Speaker 7:Well, they had to wait to go do the appraisal on the other one oh okay, all right.
Speaker 8:So we got held up. I kind of got screwed. I think I'm a trade in. I think it should have been. I think, I could have sold it for four outright, but you know, hey, it got me where.
Speaker 5:I wanted to go. Do you want to? Do you want to sit there and hassle over 500 bucks though? Yeah, right.
Speaker 4:I mean you deal, you know, you try and put it on marketplace and you deal with just the entire kickers and stupid question. It's a waste of time, yeah.
Speaker 8:So you know, I went in there and she's like hey, do you want to go through your bank or you want to go through Harley? Now, let's go through, I'll try through, harley, I don't care. She's like what's your credit score? And I told her she said usually Harleys is a little bit higher and it was, and so after all I was done, I paid nine for it. My payments one 78 a month.
Speaker 5:Oh, so it's. It's literally like $10 more a month. It's $10 more than old.
Speaker 8:You don't have to put anything down and I didn't have to do anything other than the 367 to pay my old bike.
Speaker 5:But you were talking about putting two, three thousand. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 8:Cause I was. I wanted to get it down into that one 64 price range, you know for my payment, and wrote it home. It's got everything Heated drips, cruise, cruise, radio, it's got a Bluetooth radio?
Speaker 5:Yeah, same, same, same.
Speaker 8:When I got a thing is just a one generation older and then it's got the air suspension kind of thing. Nice, nice.
Speaker 7:I'm happy for Torpex, I'll buy a saddle bag.
Speaker 5:I'll set up pod speakers on the saddle.
Speaker 8:Got that Torpex. Yeah, if you need. If you need road pads, let me know.
Speaker 7:Yeah, I'll put it on yours. Nope, mine had road pads.
Speaker 5:You're saying pictures of your bike, just in case you want to look at them again.
Speaker 8:Mine had road pads, had the, the or the LED lights on the front, Cause I'm are all the things I was going to upgrade to, you know. So I probably saved myself five 600 bucks in just that bullshit.
Speaker 5:Yeah.
Speaker 8:You know I do got to get handlebars because they're like the old drama handlebars that had a bite, that had the new handlebars that you down by your by your waist, yeah.
Speaker 5:First thing I did was get rid of mine, cause I'm sitting there riding it like this yeah, Rather than riding it like this. Man doesn't make when I put my tenor tries bars on man, that's what I'm going to do Six speed.
Speaker 2:Hey Charlie, can you ride your bike with no handlebars?
Speaker 5:I can actually cannot because I don't have cruise control. If I had cruise, I could take my hands off the handlebars. Lady Jen's on the back, absolutely not. She will know she doesn't even hardly like what I'm doing at one handed yeah.
Speaker 8:So, but yeah, got that, got that.
Speaker 5:I do a lot of things well, one handed Like jerking.
Speaker 8:I pulled this beer. That is not a beer, that is a pepsi light.
Speaker 5:I had. I had a bottle of water earlier. He hydrated. Roy had, I don't know, some BFS or whatever. Some bullshit. He was drinking earlier something to rehydrate after a run or some shitty drink.
Speaker 8:What's wine? How the fuck is he running if the cops ain't chasing?
Speaker 3:me. Good job, roy, look at him.
Speaker 5:I was like I know he's the most fit dude in the way. He's a stunt.
Speaker 3:He's a fucking specimen right here. That's why I said he's, he's.
Speaker 8:You're in your semen specimen? I'm not sure.
Speaker 2:You know we've got some really non-homosexual Roy, give me a run for my money.
Speaker 3:I had to step my game up. I don't get the tip, Look it you look like a haji.
Speaker 8:He's way fucking sexy than a haji Anyhow well there was this one chick.
Speaker 3:You look like the fucking monopoly guy.
Speaker 8:I don't know. He just needs the oracle, or whatever they call it.
Speaker 5:Monocle, yeah, the monocle, monocle, monocle, the doctacle you shut up and push you to work more.
Speaker 8:And yes, that inventory system seems to be working, so thank you.
Speaker 5:What, what you like a good dad joke, right, everybody here likes a good dad joke. So everybody's on tic-tac. I'm assuming Tim has a flip phone, so he doesn't. So there's, he's like three guys. They do like the quiet hunting.
Speaker 7:Oh yeah.
Speaker 8:They're kind of whispering.
Speaker 5:So I absolutely love those fucking guys. Fucking shit, they say, cracks me up, and one of the best ones is what side of a turkey has the most feathers?
Speaker 2:The outside.
Speaker 5:Damn you. You saw that one. I just hate how never you're like the outside. Hey that's alcohol abuse. It's mine, I can do what I want. Bingo, because we are at.
Speaker 8:AJ Sky.
Speaker 5:Lounge, obviously, yeah, I forgot the white sharpie for the new sign here. I want to have everybody sign it when they come up. So, roy, this isn't a one-time, one-pump chump for you, but you got to come up here again.
Speaker 8:I hope you enjoyed this. This is awesome.
Speaker 5:This is what we do at the Pulse. We just sit around and bullshit about all kinds of fun stuff and it was good to see you at the meeting.
Speaker 8:It really was, I'm glad. Sorry about the shit show we had going on during it, but uh hey.
Speaker 5:I'm glad you're uh your wife.
Speaker 3:Don't put the pimp hand down and the smack on you right.
Speaker 5:Glad she gave me some some slack on my leash.
Speaker 3:These two get the, they get, they get the pimp hand down.
Speaker 7:She's here surprising me. Now I'm surprised.
Speaker 5:I'm surprised Brent's still here. Me too, I know right, me too.
Speaker 3:Your wife must be out of town visiting her relatives or something.
Speaker 5:No, oh, you laid the law down, Did you, and said I'll be home when I get home. No, just put it on the calendar. That's the secret. You went like five to 10.
Speaker 3:No, no, I'll tell you what he did. He grew four inches of dick and put it down. I didn't need to do that. After that, she was like you can do whatever you want. Yeah, whatever you want, you just keep writing on the calendar babe. Just keep writing on the calendar. Write on the calendar to get put those extra four inches in.
Speaker 7:Oh, that's right, it is Valentine's.
Speaker 8:Day.
Speaker 3:Wow, is that romantic today.
Speaker 5:In case you forgot, I actually picked up flowers and took them out to her at work.
Speaker 2:That is awesome.
Speaker 5:She doesn't like flowers she actually as kind of pointless. They just die in a week anyway.
Speaker 7:Yeah.
Speaker 8:But, it's a nice job.
Speaker 5:We don't really celebrate it. There's no cards.
Speaker 3:That's why she's wearing a red, because it's fucking bad Valentine's.
Speaker 8:Day.
Speaker 6:It happens to be red.
Speaker 8:Valentine's Day is kind of like a fake holiday.
Speaker 5:It's like Swedish Day. I don't know whatever the hell that is. It's like a Hallmark.
Speaker 8:Hallmark fucking bullshit.
Speaker 2:They always used to call it singles awareness day.
Speaker 8:Because, if you only do that on one day. Shame on you. If you have a good woman that you're with you should do that 365. What buy her flowers every day? No, no, we need a trader good, a appreciator Flowers don't appreciate her.
Speaker 3:Some women like to get treated like a fucking slut.
Speaker 6:Slap around Jesus Christ.
Speaker 2:We're back on that.
Speaker 3:Okay, I'll just joke it, I'm going to get his cancer those aren't the ones you're with.
Speaker 2:This podcast is marked explicit for a reason.
Speaker 3:We even have a disclaimer at the beginning. That's true. I was just joking, ladies, Just joking.
Speaker 5:So that's just one of those things that we never really celebrated. So we do like a date night on Thursday night.
Speaker 8:Then they go to the bowling alley. We go out to dinner.
Speaker 5:So once a month I got a bowl. But we go out every Thursday do dinner and just kind of hang out Because we're fucking busy, I mean I had You're busy. We had real cat meeting last night. We had this tonight. Monday was darts, tomorrow night's date night. Friday night's 50-50. Saturday's bowling, sunday's meeting. You know what I mean? It's just always freaking busy.
Speaker 3:Yep, yep, I know so we just don't ever?
Speaker 5:Yeah, we don't ever.
Speaker 3:just I'm curious what my wife's gonna say when she gets back here. You see how busy, you are.
Speaker 8:You just put it down. I will you let her know.
Speaker 5:Put all four inches down and let her know.
Speaker 8:You just need to whip it out and just you let her know who's the dad. I mean, she is like 22. True, oh sure, I'm pretty good.
Speaker 7:Yep.
Speaker 5:I could make a really bad comment.
Speaker 6:I'm gonna refrain from what I'm gonna say.
Speaker 5:Just in case, just in case.
Speaker 3:There's a song called that, just in Case. Yes, yes, so we don't want to get kicked off of Spotify. We already can't make it on the fucking Apple fucking podcast. Why?
Speaker 2:Because Apple's fucking stupid. You were too raunchy, it's too horrible.
Speaker 3:Seriously no, because this cocksucker can't figure it out.
Speaker 2:And you, cocksucker, said that you were gonna figure it out for me.
Speaker 5:You didn't tell me you were number one. Wait a minute. That's probably another one of those things he hasn't done yet that's another one of those.
Speaker 3:The dog ate my homework fucking.
Speaker 7:Why didn't they know about this?
Speaker 9:Don't try to sound like an everyday text in order for him to find it there on Twitter.
Speaker 3:I'm a busy man, god damn it, I am a busy man Listen I completely. I called Charlie today. Today. What is today? Wednesday? I called Charlie today. I was like, oh fuck, monday, I forgot about 50-50. He was like, ah, don't worry about it. I was like, no, I felt fucking terrible. I was up in Scottville though.
Speaker 5:Trying to get our new place over. Well, I was sitting there right at Darts playing Darts.
Speaker 8:God damn I'm sorry.
Speaker 6:I'm a little trance coming in.
Speaker 5:I'm like, oh, there's only like 30 people here shooting.
Speaker 8:Shem said something about. I didn't hear him. I didn't come to say anything to me. Why was there? I?
Speaker 6:was like I was in Shepherd.
Speaker 5:I was arguing with them, fucking idiots yeah there's only like 30 people up there shooting right now. So because it's the end of the year and a lot of teams bought after the tournament, they bought their rest of the season. They just pay their leak fee and they don't show up anymore Because of the way Vegas worked and states worked, michigan State Darts tournament worked. This year it's kind of a little bit different, but anyway, so it's not really worth doing.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I know, but I just, you know, still it's going to be like 50 bucks. I know I felt bad A lot of tickets were going to waste for 50 bucks. I felt bad. I did feel bad about it.
Speaker 5:No, you did, it was funny that you called me and I was like yeah. I was wondering what was up.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and I was up in Scottville. We're trying to get our new disbo up and going.
Speaker 7:How did that work?
Speaker 3:go. Oh man, it looks fucking great. At least the plumber showed up. Finally, right, finally.
Speaker 7:What's that? Is it wired? Do you have a problem out there?
Speaker 3:No, I need it. Fucking shem, fucking shem. Get your bitch ass up there and get my fucking network going. He said he was up there doing it.
Speaker 5:He said it was going to be there on Sunday or something.
Speaker 3:He did go up there he put up a couple of fucking cameras, ran a wire he said if you need help, let me know.
Speaker 7:That's what I do.
Speaker 5:Yeah, hey, just so you know, he'll line you up and then he'll call you the day before and say don't worry about it, oh so I'm not.
Speaker 3:So if you go by, thousands of dollars worth of shit he'll then call you the day before you said you were pulling that out of the warehouse.
Speaker 5:Yeah, my supply house Straight down the road. It's called Ferguson Enterprises. I go buy shit there, did you?
Speaker 3:put it back on there. Did you take it back?
Speaker 5:We're funding, I only get 70%. Yeah, there's a restock fee, so I still lose money, but it's not going to be.
Speaker 3:Let me know, let me know I'll get you.
Speaker 8:So just so everybody knows.
Speaker 9:I feel terrible, I feel bad. Oh, it's your son. Roll the name. He's trying to make me feel like shit it was working.
Speaker 5:No I don't know I don't pay anything, because I didn't pay anything out. It was real good.
Speaker 8:So just so everybody knows, 11 typewriter, formerly known as Trey, he is T-Bone, he is T-Bone, yep, he is the Pablo Escobar of the cannabis business in Isabella County. Okay, so, legally legally, though, but he's still Pablo Escobar, kind of looks like. If you had curly hair. It was a little battered racially and ambiguous.
Speaker 3:I don't know maybe if you took your hat off, it wouldn't be so Well, I don't let my hair get this long, but I think it looks good, I'm letting it go. I'm like fuck it, I'm tired of cutting my hair. I'm just going to let it go, see what happens Me too.
Speaker 7:Mine's going to look like you could have a whole hogan going.
Speaker 8:I could be like whole hogan.
Speaker 5:It's just that large string of shit in the back and nothing on top. Yeah, yeah, I was about you, the red boots and the little banana head. I was going to say, oh, maybe, hey, fucking yeah, halloween, sir, going for Halloween next year.
Speaker 8:Too many U-turns on the bedsheets.
Speaker 5:Go to the top right off.
Speaker 3:Wait a minute, hold on, I want to play this.
Speaker 5:Brent's like. Brent's like what do you mean? U-turns on the bedsheets? No shit, she has no idea. I'm a real.
Speaker 3:American Besides for the rights of everyone. That fucking whole hogan's theme song. That could be you, tim. Every time you walk in the fucking BMW, press a button.
Speaker 5:Yeah, yeah, real American, you could play it over the speed. Yeah, you could jump on AMI and play as you're walking in.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so we asked the bandana with your long hair.
Speaker 8:We just pulled up this WWF.
Speaker 5:I used to call it as kid E or whatever. But is that still a big thing in the military? Because, like Jen and I, we had base housing or whatever, but we'd have parties to watch, not just WrestleMania but Monday night, ron, whatever, all those different my guys never did that. Yes, we had a party, Tim, and it was Monday night, Rob, and it was not what you're thinking. It was wrestling.
Speaker 6:I'm just letting you know. I know where you're going. You're saying laugh and say we're going to send you a message.
Speaker 5:Thursday night thunder, whatever the fuck they were doing, I mean because you knew exactly where the theme music was, just hearing it.
Speaker 4:So I grew up as a kid like my dad watched wrestling seven days a week. I just grew up around it, that's all we ever watched He'd go to work. He'd come home. As soon as he got home He'd turn on TV and there was wrestling. There was Monday night Raw, there was Tuesday night, wednesday night, there was Thursday night.
Speaker 8:There was.
Speaker 4:WWF and there was WCW. Yeah, WCW.
Speaker 8:They were constantly going to get.
Speaker 4:So each night of the week there was something going on and my dad he was so invested that he had his guys that he liked and I remember as a kid back then I never realized. But now you get older man he would get so pissed off Like when somebody would come out and start cheating, like he would fucking come on down as a kid, you're just like scripting. It was not right, but as a kid you were normal, and now you look back at it. It's like you guys didn't know wrestling.
Speaker 8:He was fucking into it. You guys didn't know wrestling until you watched it in the 70s. Man Bobo Brazil, I am I am Well, you got iron sheet.
Speaker 4:Jimmy Sugarfly Snooker.
Speaker 6:Yep, barbara Beefcake, tex McKenzie, they had a Ted D Biasi hey hey hey, hey, settle down, you guys don't need boners in the sky lounge To do a little bit the jewelers here.
Speaker 8:Fanfare of Furful. You had the claw, the Garfio, he called it. He grabbed your hand and all of a sudden you started bleeding. Wild man from the Brazilian jungle. Bushlockers, yeah, bushlockers.
Speaker 4:Pax on Jim Duggan oh yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I was. I was never really into wrestling but lately, after he retired, I got to watching some of the Undertaker.
Speaker 8:You know he's badass, he's a big bitch, monster guy.
Speaker 5:Remember what his manager's name was?
Speaker 2:Paul Bear.
Speaker 5:Paul.
Speaker 3:Bear.
Speaker 6:Yeah, yeah. He had some of the best badass entrances too.
Speaker 4:Kane is like the mayor of Knoxville, tennessee, or something.
Speaker 5:But that's like supposed to be his brother, right?
Speaker 6:Right, like that was the story plot.
Speaker 8:Yeah, I mean, and he's a huge- he's like 611. Well, you guys know, george, the Animal Steel, yeah.
Speaker 5:Yeah, school teacher. He used to freaking eat turnbuckles. He was a school teacher he graduated from Central Michigan.
Speaker 8:Yeah, look at that, holy shit.
Speaker 4:The Steiner Brothers, didn't they go?
Speaker 8:to Steiner Steiner.
Speaker 6:Bay City, bay City.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah. You know who else from Bay City Fucking Madonna, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5:Look at that.
Speaker 8:That bitch ain't been a virgin since she's been five Her.
Speaker 4:Her, my God.
Speaker 5:I'm not sure if I'm going to go out of bounds for this podcast for sure but, her her mom and dad have a winery up in Travis City.
Speaker 8:It's called Chaconne Her mom and dad does yeah.
Speaker 5:Oh really, Yep Chaconne.
Speaker 8:She did well, she did well.
Speaker 5:We actually, we actually, we go out for family stuff every year.
Speaker 3:That's actually their last name, chaconne or something like that. Oh, is it.
Speaker 6:Yeah, that's her last name, yeah. C-i-c-c-o-n-e or something like that or Ni or whatever.
Speaker 5:Yeah, pretty good, pretty good wines, jeff Daniels. What's the family every year up there?
Speaker 2:There's a decent, there's a decent number of people from from Michigan and Jeff Daniels.
Speaker 5:Jeff Daniels is a great famous one man. He's come back here in Mount Pleasant before.
Speaker 8:Charlie's got him on his fucking wall.
Speaker 5:I do Actually.
Speaker 4:Didn't they just come when they did the concerts on?
Speaker 5:Main Street, downtown. Yeah, yeah, so he, yeah. So his dumb and dumber where he's sitting on the shitter Like holding on to feeder in the air, he's screaming, you know, because he got the eye drops or whatever in his low eat or whatever. Oh, yeah, yeah, I was doing the lice of thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so that's as a plumber, that's got to be my thing right.
Speaker 5:So I have the I got the three by the same diameter, that size hanging on my wall.
Speaker 2:In the in the office. Yeah, in our podcast chat. I sent that to you. It was a picture of how you'd test your work when it's been done.
Speaker 6:Yeah.
Speaker 5:Electrician was a you know the streamer, the screaming shits, screaming shits. That's how we make sure it flushes that rag Damn.
Speaker 8:I'll tell you what but? Yeah, when you get my age, two things you don't fuck with A hard on or a fart. Yeah, you don't trust either one of them. Don't trust either one of them. Don't waste a hard on, don't trust a fart. It's just just the way it is.
Speaker 5:Did you ever waste a hard on a Jeep?
Speaker 8:No, no, you didn't, no, no.
Speaker 5:Panamanian goats. There is best friend, there's the goats.
Speaker 7:There's, the goats are coming back.
Speaker 5:No, kid Joe, you look jealous, huh, you look jealous over there. Oh, I'm good.
Speaker 2:Anytime that motherfucker touches an ethernet cable, he gets a boner.
Speaker 7:Oh, I know Okay so. My boners.
Speaker 8:Small ones.
Speaker 7:Ask her First satisfied.
Speaker 2:Oh damn. Has it, that's not that's not.
Speaker 5:That's not. Maybe it's a personality.
Speaker 3:He just said ask her. So we're asking to have them.
Speaker 8:He gives her a, he gives her a snicker, a vault, a vault.
Speaker 3:A vault? It's not a vault.
Speaker 7:Oh.
Speaker 5:I didn't hear vault.
Speaker 7:Yes, that's how I was introduced.
Speaker 3:You put it out there, joe, just saying Of course I did Look at her.
Speaker 5:You know what Most.
Speaker 3:She looks so thirsty.
Speaker 6:Don't tell Joe shit, god damn it.
Speaker 7:Joe, you don't have to tell me, I'll just find it so who you vote for for president.
Speaker 3:This election, johnny Cash, anybody but Trump.
Speaker 8:Okay.
Speaker 5:Just made a super bowl out of. Let me ask you a question why do you yes, why do?
Speaker 6:you hate independent.
Speaker 3:I guess Republicans so so much. They have no empathy. It's not you know what Everything is. Uh, the way that they says, say it's supposed to be. Now, don't get me wrong. I don't think fucking Democrats are that great. They really aren't. Listen, I look at life Everything, everything, everything. And you guys are going to.
Speaker 5:You guys are going to Turn it up A different kind of way to say it. I've got a couple of questions. I'm going to look at everything.
Speaker 3:Through the lens, through the lens of a black man in America. Everything, everything, I looked through that lens. There's a reason I do that, but I don't think we have time to get into.
Speaker 8:What side of that? Is it your left eye or your right eye?
Speaker 3:Both eyes, buddy, Both eyes so um, but in Republicans, I guess, are To me, uh, and it's gotten worse Lately just openly cruel, Cruel. It's a people period.
Speaker 5:So let me ask you a question.
Speaker 2:So I think the farther the right and left people go.
Speaker 5:The more yes yeah, yeah, so out of the last Three presidents to have been Democrats, so you're talking 12.
Speaker 3:No, no, to have been Republicans. Oh no, you're right, you're right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5:Eight years of Obama, yeah, you got four years of Biden, so many years of that's 12.
Speaker 6:Yeah, four years of Trump, yeah right.
Speaker 5:So you have 16 years of presidents. Overwhelming majority have been by a Democrat and Majority of that has been from a black president. So If you have a concern as an African-American, Mm-hmm. How come your problems aren't better when all that time has been majority served by under yeah Democrat and or in that as a black listen? Everything should be Rosie and Pete Well.
Speaker 3:I can. I can tell you this and what. What I think is far as go ahead, roy well, I'm so Technically.
Speaker 4:Let's give Obama four years, because when you go, when you go from red to blue, it, those first four years are a cat and mouse game of, you know, one party changing everything that the last party did. So the first four years are a wash.
Speaker 5:Okay, so you saw.
Speaker 4:So she saw, I mean he was still there, but it's, it's such it's so stupid.
Speaker 3:Well, not only that, and he's trying to get away from doing that too. He's trying he's trying to get elected a second term right, so he can't be seen Favouring that's.
Speaker 5:That's in what constituents are, are you not supposed?
Speaker 3:to do is we're all Americans, not just black Americans.
Speaker 8:They were all Americans well, just something that I see you think if it's a Republican uh-huh it's anti all Americans.
Speaker 3:I think it's yes, I do, I do. I think they're more concerned about their donors and who get. And again, don't get me wrong, I believe Democrats are the same fucking way.
Speaker 5:So why would you hear here? So why were you so biased one way and not the other? When you admit it's both ways, hold on here's here's here's the the difference here.
Speaker 3:Is that.
Speaker 2:Into two different worlds because I want to know why.
Speaker 3:Republicans, republicans openly like our hostile against, against anything other than the Established narrative of America, which is America first. Rich white men, no, rich white men yes and then. But. But Democrats Promise, promise, promise, never deliver.
Speaker 6:So promise, promise. So that, why do you still vote for?
Speaker 5:what's that? What do you still?
Speaker 3:vote for him Because I hope for the day that they actually deliver.
Speaker 5:So let me ask you a question. You hand me a hundred. You hand me a hundred dollars, I'm gonna make your life better tomorrow and I'm gonna come back to you tomorrow and ask for another hundred dollars and tell you that tomorrow is gonna be better for you. Mm-hmm, keep doing it.
Speaker 3:Well and that's if you're that gullible. That's another criticism I have about Democrats is that that they promise, promise, promise. They also enable, enable. They enable people who Are comfortable on the bottom to stay on the right. They enable that right. They do, absolutely they do. And that's a criticism I have of Of of Democrats. And then you have these people that are extreme left, which is which is AOC, the squad extreme left. I mean Imagine if, imagine if haven't heard about them lately if, if, if those people on the extreme left Got a hold of power, what would happen to America? But I'll give you, I'll give you what if those people that are on the extreme right be the same way.
Speaker 8:Be fucked up. We're. What are they called?
Speaker 2:We're talking caucus right now, those fuckers that have been 16 of them that have been just fucking holding everything up, yeah.
Speaker 3:I Ride the middle. I really do, I really do, and I have criticisms on both left and the right.
Speaker 5:Let me ask you this question. Uh-huh was last time you voted for a Republican, so you can't call yourself down the phone.
Speaker 3:Hold on hold on. Hold on hold on.
Speaker 4:I've.
Speaker 5:I've city or Like state or not, or I'm talking a national, okay.
Speaker 3:Cuz I mean, I was gonna say I've I've voted for Republicans. Whenever I vote, I Vote for some Republicans and I vote for some Democrats. I do.
Speaker 4:Because I do the same so you're not, as you're not a straight ticket right?
Speaker 3:No, you know what? And.
Speaker 5:I don't think I should be allowed. Exactly, I don't vote that way. You should check every fucking box, cuz.
Speaker 3:I think I was going to vote in a primary right and they were like you have to vote either all Democrat or all Republican.
Speaker 5:I was like well, you talk primaries, or that way.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I know I said, but but still I was like how the fuck are you gonna?
Speaker 4:write, give me the choice of what I want to do.
Speaker 3:Give me the choice of what I don't. Give a fuck if this is a primary or not. Primaries are always that way. Yeah, I know I know, I know it is, but it's not right, I know.
Speaker 6:I don't, yeah, yeah, I don't like it either.
Speaker 5:Yeah, yes, okay.
Speaker 8:I got it. Quick question hey, it's Lisa's gonna be. One fucking part In the last four years was your, was your, and I'm not gonna say your was America better under Trump. That's been under Biden.
Speaker 3:In what way?
Speaker 2:In any way you can think of it was.
Speaker 8:America in better hands when.
Speaker 5:Doesn't matter housing economy security, whatever I Would say Anything you like, both.
Speaker 3:I would say both. Both administrations have their criticisms.
Speaker 8:Ah, that's not. That's not the fucking question.
Speaker 3:Quit fucking with test-dance around a motherfucker and I, okay, and I can tell you, and I'm just trying to think about it Because, listen, what I, what I've told some of my contractors that do some of the work for me, is listen, don't take my word for it, because my memory cannot be trusted me to. Yeah, don't trust my memory, because so let's make a phone call and see what, what, what we talked about but, Things have been just fine. Just fine under Biden.
Speaker 8:They have been just fine so you enjoy paying Almost four dollars a gallon for gas. Oh, you got an electric vehicle, that's right. Oh, my wife has a, okay. So when Trump was in office, what was gas? Dollar two bucks.
Speaker 2:Let me ask him a question.
Speaker 8:Hold on, he's not gonna answer my question hey, yes, no, he's that so. Listen. Um no, we're not picking on you.
Speaker 3:Yes, no, no, no, yes, here's because I listen and for the people listening, I am. I am the most liberal person.
Speaker 5:Yes, he is. He calls himself down the middle right, I am, I lean liberal.
Speaker 3:I lean liberal heavy.
Speaker 8:I lean American.
Speaker 5:You're fucking. You're fucking Harley, don't. Can't it make a left turn? You gotta go around Fucking left turns all the time.
Speaker 3:So People and it's usually people on the left Always have this, this say presidents don't determine gas prices. I say bullshit. Bullshit because because as soon as a Republican gets in the office, drill. I can drill, everything drill everywhere drill and guess who gets scared OPEC? Opec's like oh shit, yeah, so they lower the fucking, they lower their oil price.
Speaker 8:What is that? Who does that help?
Speaker 3:It helps the American people? Yes, of course, absolutely so.
Speaker 5:So I'm gonna wear around gas real quick. What do you think hurts the low income bottom of the barrel people worse?
Speaker 7:Gas Because? Because don't no?
Speaker 5:offense. Like a guy like you or me or Roy or whoever. They make 50,000 to $200,000 a year, you think we care doesn't hurt as much.
Speaker 6:But if you're barely paying rent, if you know you have to go spend $60 to fill your car.
Speaker 5:You're robbing the $60 to me means nothing, right? $60 means they, they're the people when you pull up to the pump and you see $5, right from the person before you. That person's hurting, unless the Granted. There's times I roll up on the bike and I might put five bucks in the top of the tank right or fill in something for the lawn, more I get it, but right here it is fucking yeah, March yeah or February.
Speaker 5:We ride every now and again. So yeah, you might see it. But in the summertime, when you see that all the time, or in the winter time you see it all the time. You know that person scraping change and trying to pull change out of the washing machine or the dryer To fucking get five gallons to try to work yes, yes, it hurts the air's low income people so much worse. They have so much less money to spend on anything else.
Speaker 2:Shouldn't they? That's not even you know. I'm getting to work and all of them.
Speaker 3:Shouldn't they pull themselves up by the bootstrap and get it better? I get it.
Speaker 2:No I how do they do that? But how the hell are they gonna? How are they gonna be able to go to college in?
Speaker 5:pay for a seven hundred dollar credit hour If they can't hardly put five bucks in the gas tank to go to the third, themselves up by the bootstrap. Right, but if you want to, try to help.
Speaker 5:You want to try to help low-income people See, but if you want to try to help low-income people and get themselves out of it, and I'll let you talk in a second. I know these are people you work with or for, but if you can do anything to give them relief, don't make bread three dollars a loaf. Get it back to a buck. Don't make gas four dollars again.
Speaker 3:The president has something to do with that, for sure.
Speaker 2:Maybe, so for sure for sure.
Speaker 6:Why do you think the economy she could we're spending on?
Speaker 5:we're spending a hundred thirty three million dollars, or billion dollars, to ukraine, right, we spend a hundred thirty three billion here saying, hey, man, you know that sounds a whole lot like welfare.
Speaker 9:See the thing about welfare you're gonna call it corporate welfare.
Speaker 5:But you gotta remember who hires the people. Corporate corporations, businesses hire the people, right.
Speaker 3:So could you imagine if you got a tax break In these in these republics, your girl, these republican policies of um, what's the word? Uh, trickle down economics. That was that started by ronald reagan. Uh, how's that working out? So, but once again, not well. No, this is the same thing we're not trickling down.
Speaker 5:This is the same thing where we said we said, we said the hundred you know I love that brother. We had a busy we sent 60 billion to ukraine and cash. We have no accountability of it, right. So it's the same thing with trickle down, right, we're gonna give tax breaks and incentives and dot-a-dot.
Speaker 5:Right what are they actually spending the money on? Are they reinvesting it, building a new building? Because I tell you what, if I put an expansion on this building, it's not going to be plumber's here, it's going to be carpenters and site guys and everything else. So that does trickle down. It doesn't mean my employees are going to make more an hour, but I'm hiring contractors to do the expansion or put the new. Someone's got to build the equipment. I'm putting in here Inspection right. So there's all these other things that go into a trickle down when a business doesn't expansion.
Speaker 7:It's hard for that to work right. We have inflation Exploding well.
Speaker 5:Shit that we used to buy for four dollars is forty dollars. Yeah right I.
Speaker 8:I just been, a project I just been a plump basic plumbing mechanical project for the city of my pleasant what do you do?
Speaker 5:a bath house. Oh, my number was over a hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 9:I was going to go back to the same people who have are struggling to get gas in their tank, are usually making an okay amount, can barely afford rent or anything, but they go to apply for things like food stamps or whatever and they don't qualify because they don't look at everything that you're paying out, they look at your gross income Yep gross.
Speaker 8:You make too much money. Exactly so. These same people are struggling, can't get the help because you got to be dead, nuts, nothing, poor, or in order to get any help from the state mental health problems happening you to stress and everything, amongst other things but at it.
Speaker 4:So michigan, and in children michigan is one of the highest states in uh cost of childcare. Yeah, it's ridiculous to add that in.
Speaker 9:Yeah, but the mental health crisis that we have in this country, absolutely, um, in order to you know, even if you have, you can't get into cmh, for example.
Speaker 5:Without having to say anything, so community mental health.
Speaker 3:So listen, you have to have medicaid. Who cut all the funding for mental health in america?
Speaker 9:Don't ask me, I just don't. Republicans keep going. Well, I was going to say it, show me.
Speaker 3:Show me Look it up.
Speaker 5:I don't know. I'll look it up In order to get into community mental health. It was republicans. I say it's democrats.
Speaker 9:And my kids have been on it. But in order to get my kids in there, you have to practically be killing yourself.
Speaker 5:It's ridiculous, right and I will tell you this help or childcare is ridiculous. When andy was little he was born in 06 and I had him in full-time daycare. You know he was shitting the diapers and doing doing the stuff. Back then it was like 185 dollars a week, so it's 800 dollars a month essentially Just to put him in daycare when he was little. That's a mortgage payment two parts talking to my buddy at work two parts.
Speaker 8:What do you? Pay for daycare he pays like 20,000 a year.
Speaker 2:I pay 235 dollars a week per kid.
Speaker 5:Per kid I don't have one but so yeah, so over the top ronald reagan Did what cut funding for he's the only one.
Speaker 3:I mean he was a republican Administration, but we'll see the only one I mean yeah, I mean he, yeah, pretty much he killed, he killed it.
Speaker 8:Okay, but why didn't in america? Why didn't clinton turn around and bring it back?
Speaker 3:because there's a because it's about money. I mean listen.
Speaker 2:If you think it's not even about money for mental health. The reality is, we simply don't have enough people to provide that service.
Speaker 9:Well, there's that as well, but the stipulations that they put on it to get help.
Speaker 3:I remember, I remember, and you're old enough to remember.
Speaker 6:Whoa, don't be throwing that old shit at me. All right we're gonna throw.
Speaker 3:To the main team I remember that they're being Mental health in america. Do you remember when this place was open?
Speaker 8:You mean that place down there?
Speaker 5:No, where does state hold? State hold yeah, I'm a state home.
Speaker 3:Yeah and then when, fucking when um O'rana got in there, all that funding in that thing. That place shut down.
Speaker 5:No that didn't shut down until 2000. You could have terry and sunstone because he worked there. I heard neither dude.
Speaker 4:I heard going on in this house.
Speaker 8:Terri travis and suncio worked there before he got a stage.
Speaker 5:I think it was under granholm mental health systems acts 1980.
Speaker 3:Okay, so read it that was.
Speaker 5:That was my president. What's it say jimmy carter? Jimmy carter, hold on.
Speaker 3:Okay, which mental health president, ronald reagan, who had major efforts during his government, is to reduce funding and enlistment for california mental institutions.
Speaker 5:So believe me, yeah, okay, because he was and listen. No, we're all good.
Speaker 3:I'm with you.
Speaker 6:I'm letting you know.
Speaker 3:I'm not far away, grandholm.
Speaker 5:Grandholm, I bet you was the governor when this yeah, home should be here. Here's something I want to throw at you.
Speaker 8:This is what I think is bullshit and and I this is personal to me that if you have a federal, if you have a felony drug offense, you can't get Stayed a. And I understand that it's the individuals reason, it's an individual stain, it's the individuals thing, but the person. But if that person, how do you, how do they get better if you don't allow them to, to get the resources to get better?
Speaker 9:Oh, there's many areas in our outro system that just doesn't work, right right.
Speaker 5:All right, so we're gonna. We're gonna wrap up tonight's episode and and trey, we won't. We're here about three hours.
Speaker 8:We're gonna keep going. Yeah, we'll definitely be on the next one. So this this. Within the next couple weeks, we'll have another one out.
Speaker 5:So we'll do the facebook live thing again. Hopefully a couple people listen up, Catch up. But we'll be on spotify and a couple other things. So if anybody has questions, comments concerns email us vfw post 3033 at gmailcom or if you follow us on facebook, make sure you send us a message or something on there and we'll bring up whatever your question or concern is for our next one, and uh, just just for the next one.
Speaker 8:Again, we'd like to thank roi For being here today. Absolutely, we hope to see you again, young man. Oh yeah, because that's awesome. I hope you enjoyed it. I hope you enjoyed it and seen how the shit show works. Yep, hey everybody, good night from aj sky lounge. Uh, drink lots of beer, have a good time. Lots of pepsi, pepsi, sorry and love, love, love, love the people you love. Yeah, stay hydrated stay hydrated.
Speaker 3:Sounds very democrat Shoot.
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