Imagine tracing your roots and finding a connection to a music hall legend from the early 20th century and a link to Jack the Ripper! That's the remarkable journey we embark upon with our guest, makeup artist sensation and influencer Mitchell Halliday. Accompanied by his mum, Jacque, together, we discover the enchanting history behind Mitchell's great-great-grandfather, Edgar Percy Halliday, and the legacy of artistic spirit that thrives in their family.
Michala reveals new information about Jacque's father that she never knew, including some surprising Ancestry DNA Results. Join us for this heartwarming episode, where we celebrate the revelations that bind us to our past and guide our future.
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Imagine tracing your roots and finding a connection to a music hall legend from the early 20th century and a link to Jack the Ripper! That's the remarkable journey we embark upon with our guest, makeup artist sensation and influencer Mitchell Halliday. Accompanied by his mum, Jacque, together, we discover the enchanting history behind Mitchell's great-great-grandfather, Edgar Percy Halliday, and the legacy of artistic spirit that thrives in their family.
Michala reveals new information about Jacque's father that she never knew, including some surprising Ancestry DNA Results. Join us for this heartwarming episode, where we celebrate the revelations that bind us to our past and guide our future.
Useful Links:
Michala Hulme or @drmichalahulme
@mmmmitchell @madebymitchell
Witney Antiques
Power of One
Ancestry DNA Testing Kit with Traits - Amazon Affiliate Link
This week's podcast is sponsored by Whitney Antiques, an antique shop in the heart of Oxfordshire specialising in historic needlework. If you would like to know more about Whitney Antiques, check out their website, wwwwitneyantiquescom. Hello and welcome back to an Earther Past a family history and genealogy podcast presented by me, dr Mikaela Hume. So today we are joined not by one, but by two very special guests Mitchell Halliday and his lovely mum, jack. Now, mitchell is one of the world's best makeup artists. He boasts over 1 million followers on Instagram and over 730,000 followers on TikTok and over 18.8 million likes. Wow. In 2020, he created his own makeup brand called Made by Mitchell, which has taken the world by storm. His iconic blush has become a staple in makeup bags across the globe. In 2023, made by Mitchell broke a TikTok record when it made $2 million in sales in just a week. His beauty brand is praised for being all-inclusive and is even reached Hollywood, with celebrities such as Meg and Fox wearing the products. Mitch and Jack, welcome to the podcast, mitch. Thank you so much for coming on the podcast.
Speaker 2:Thank you so much for having me. Thank you for having me and me. I'm a lovely mum. I'm excited for today, but I know my mum's nervous.
Speaker 1:Yeah, very.
Speaker 2:But yeah, I'm excited to. This is something that I have always found so fascinating, but I've never really even known where to go for it. So when I met you, I met you through work, actually didn't.
Speaker 1:I, you did.
Speaker 2:And, yeah, it's been a bit of a long time coming, it's going to be. Whatever we find out today is just going to be a positive in every way, because I think for my mum as well which I don't know if you're going to go into this, but my mum has so many unanswered questions from her entire life how old are you now?
Speaker 3:It's six days soon, are you not six?
Speaker 2:How old are?
Speaker 3:you.
Speaker 2:I'm six.
Speaker 1:Six, six, six. So I was interested in your when we started looking into your family tree to think where do you get? Where does it come from? Where does it, where does Mitch come from? So I know you are obviously creative. I mean the things you can do I imagine, not only on the face but with a paintbrush, is unreal. I also know that you are a fantastic singer. He says he used to. He really should do more. He has got the most amazing voice. So when I was trying to find your creative gene I didn't have to go back that far.
Speaker 1:I only had to go back from your dad a couple of generations till I found that creative gene, and that is with your great, great granddad, edgar Percy Halliday. Now I'm going to pass you the family tree. If you just follow the top line you will see where he sort of sits in your tree and if you can see it is just there, mitch. So that's you that sort of highlighted him.
Speaker 2:Okay, so we've got Mitchell, peter Halliday, james Halliday.
Speaker 1:We've got your dad.
Speaker 2:Peter.
Speaker 1:Halliday Granddad.
Speaker 2:And it's Joan, my Queen Joan.
Speaker 1:Arthur Shemida.
Speaker 2:Shemida. Where did what is that name?
Speaker 1:I'll get back to you. We're going to head back on that, but we're going to go to Edgar.
Speaker 2:Halliday and then Edgar Percy Halliday. Oh my God, that's insane. It's insane.
Speaker 1:I've traced the Halliday's right back up until the 18th century.
Speaker 3:Yeah, right Wow.
Speaker 1:It's inviting In 1911, we have what's called the census and I found Edgar on the census and I just want to show you that record and I don't know if you can just read it out for me, if that's all right If you just I'm hoping you can read this handwriting, I can help you out if you can. So if you just follow it across, that's Edgar, his wife, everybody living in the house, and I just want you to have a look at what he's doing for a job.
Speaker 2:God, what's going on? Wait. So Edgar head. So he's head of the household. So this is what it used to say on household. Age of males 39. He's married.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Music Hall artist. What does that mean?
Speaker 1:So he was a performer, wow, and he traveled around the country performing and was at the top of his game.
Speaker 2:Oh, my God, oh my days.
Speaker 3:That's crazy. I thought you were just jumping into singing.
Speaker 1:But if you look at where his kids are born, they're born all over the country. Okay, and that's because him and his wife traveled.
Speaker 2:We're traveling.
Speaker 1:Traveling around performing on the stage at all the local theatres.
Speaker 2:That's crazy. What the?
Speaker 1:hell. So Edgar Percy Halliday Mitch's great-great-great grandfather was born in London in 1873. By the age of 18, edgar had his own business as a self-employed music teacher, whilst also performing as a variety artist in music halls across London. Music halls grew out of old coffee houses and taverns during the early 19th century. By the 1850s they'd become known for their variety acts and rowdy audiences. Variety artists like Edgar entertained the crowds with catchy songs, dance routines and comedy sketches, often performing at several theatres in one night.
Speaker 1:By the time he was 21, edgar had left London and was touring the country. It was whilst on tour in the Northwest that he met Mitchell's three times great-grandmother, elizabeth Gray, who was also a variety artist from Lancaster. The pair performed across the region, including a long stint in Blackpool, and remained on tour until 1910, when they settled in Manchester. Music hall artists were the celebrities of their era. However, following World War I, music halls began to decline in popularity, with audiences now flocking to the cinema to watch actors such as Laurel and Hardy and Charlie Chaplin. By 1921, edgar had retired from the theatre. He died in 1934 and is buried in Southern Cemetery in Manchester.
Speaker 2:Wow.
Speaker 1:Now I know that he could play an instrument, I know that he had a good voice and I know that he was one of the performers of the time, even that name Edgar Perse.
Speaker 2:The holiday. What a name.
Speaker 1:I was able to go back even further than that. I was able to go back to Edgar's parents, and I think the musical gene really sort of stems from them. His parents, his dad, was actually born in Yorkshire and they spent the whole of their lives living in a place called Whitechapel in London. They lived at number 263 Whitechapel Road and it was a music shop, so they sold musical instruments.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, that's insane.
Speaker 1:It's crazy that.
Speaker 2:That's insane that you have even found all those details. That's wild, I know it does. That's really crazy.
Speaker 1:So they sold musical instruments. Edgar's parents are called William and Sarah, and when William dies, it's Sarah that takes the shop on.
Speaker 2:Okay, that's crazy.
Speaker 1:So during this time that they're in Whitechapel, something else is going on, and that's a certain gentleman called Jack the Ripper.
Speaker 2:Jack the Ripper Okay.
Speaker 1:Your great, great, great, great grandmother's shop which is on Whitechapel Road is just in front of where the first Ripper murder happened.
Speaker 2:Oh, my God.
Speaker 1:So there's a good chance that Jack the Ripper has been in the shop has been in the coffee shop. Or has definitely walked past the front of the shop.
Speaker 2:I mean I've never. I want to have all the will now. I've heard, obviously, about what Jack the Ripper was and what he did. But that's insane. It's wild, isn't it? That's insane.
Speaker 1:Jack the Ripper was the name given to a serial killer who was operating in the Whitechapel District of London during 1888. His total number of victims is somewhat up for debate. However, experts think that the murders of five women were all linked. His first victim was 43-year-old Mary Ann Nichols, known as Polly. On the night of her death she had been drinking at the frying pan pub. Upon leaving the pub, she headed to her lodging house. However, because she lacked the four pens needed for the night, she was turned away. The last known sighting of Polly was just after 2.30am when she was spotted by a friend Other than the killer. She was the last person to see her alive. Polly's body was discovered shortly after 3.30am by a carman, a delivery driver, on Buck's Row. Experts believe that Jack the Ripper escaped by running down a narrow thoroughfare at the side of Sarah Halliday's shop, next door to your ancestor's shop. Your great-great-great grandmother's shop was where all the Ripper victims were taken and all their inquests were held.
Speaker 2:Oh my god. It makes me want to go to the shop. That is absolutely crazy. I find it crazy that they lived in London because for some reason I just felt like we had on the Halliday side it was all in Scotland, but I suppose that was on Jones side, wasn't it?
Speaker 1:The Halliday's were not afraid to be different right, and I see that a bit in you oh yeah absolutely Don't follow the grain and they went against the norm, and especially when it came to religion.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:So bit like your dad. Yeah, so their faith was Moravian's.
Speaker 2:So what is Moravian?
Speaker 1:Now I had no idea. I had to look it up myself. I've never look. I come across, obviously, a lot of Roman Catholics in my job. Church of England, Unitarians, you name it, but I've never worked on a Moravian family tree.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:The Moravian's. The religion itself dates back over 450 years to Prague, okay, and it's basically a religion that focuses on essentials. So they don't really care how you worship, or you know, they don't care sort of how you do it, as long as you're doing it, and they believe in all things love. So they call it to the sort of the brothers and sisters and they really sort of embrace love. They do a lot of charity work and they're also very musical.
Speaker 2:Oh well. So, but I might be wrong here but is that a bit hippie-ish Sort of?
Speaker 3:Like, because I feel like that's what my I feel like we're all just a bunch of hippies really yeah, well, that's Moravian, moravian.
Speaker 2:Moravian, okay, okay.
Speaker 1:Never come across that that no, I've never even heard of that Faith before my dad would have probably heard of it, wouldn't he?
Speaker 2:Because? He's probably he's so clued up on religions.
Speaker 3:But he's very, he's very not religious himself.
Speaker 2:But it's like that yeah.
Speaker 1:And it was just funny that they sort of believe that, no matter, you know, you can worship more or less however you want yeah, and you can sort of interpret the Bible however you want yeah, as long as you're kind of doing it, it's up to you, which is quite diverse, and it embraces everybody. So no matter how you, how you practice, yeah.
Speaker 2:I think it's quite refreshing, isn't it? Just like, just as long as you're being good and following faith, and what's the what's?
Speaker 3:really the issue.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's crazy. I can't wait to tell my dad that.
Speaker 3:I know it'd be well chuffed.
Speaker 1:Now I know the reason that the holidays were quite easy to find to a point is because of this name Shmider, shmider, shmider. Yeah, now, I couldn't find. So we know that's in Edgar's line, right, and we know that his dad has that name as a middle name and I think the generation above that does. But I don't quite know where it's come from. Before that the only thing I can assume. It may be something to do with the religion we thought like maybe Jewish, but then no, so so Moravian's. That's, yeah, that's what you are in terms of religion.
Speaker 2:Yeah Well, have you heard of Shmider before Me? Yeah, oh, I'd never even heard that name before.
Speaker 3:Yeah, your dad spoke about Shmider.
Speaker 1:I'm going to show you a few more documents, if that's all right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'd love to see Good listening to this all day, I know so intriguing, hasn't it?
Speaker 1:What's it taking Edgar Percy Halliday, who we spoke about. We know that he was on the circuit right. He was on the circuit, he was performing on the stage. He seems to have been very well loved because he was more or less doing this up until he passed away. He passed away in 1934. And, as was quite traditional then, people took a little lad out yeah, so I found him in, I found him in the newspaper, I found him in the Manchester Evening News.
Speaker 1:Oh my, God and this is in 1934 and it's just a tiny, tiny little reference to him in the newspaper.
Speaker 2:On the day on March 7th, edgar Percy, beloved husband of Elizabeth Halliday, seven lime grove, long sight inquiries, broom Downing Street, at rest.
Speaker 3:That's where your grandad Pete lived, oh really yeah.
Speaker 1:Now I've also got an image for you, an image that I want to show you, mitch. So, as I've mentioned, I traced the holiday line right back to the 18th century, and that's with your five times great grandfather, john Halliday, who was from Yorkshire. Okay, now, his son was Richard. He was born in 1816 in Yorkshire, so a long time ago, 1816. 1816. His wife was Mary, and they went on to have five children. Now, one of those children was Edgar's dad, william Shemeda Halliday, and I've actually found a picture of William's sister.
Speaker 3:Wow so.
Speaker 1:William had a sister called Mary Magdalene. Mary Magdalene.
Speaker 2:Have you used to say that something about Magdalene?
Speaker 3:Mary Magdalene.
Speaker 1:So I'm going to show you a picture of her.
Speaker 3:What do you feel like? So she's?
Speaker 1:just sort of the older one of the two. Oh my God.
Speaker 2:That is crazy. And is that her baby?
Speaker 1:So, yeah, so that's her son.
Speaker 2:Mary Magdalene, and she was Yorkshire as well, then.
Speaker 1:So she's now living in London, in Whitechapel. So, they move from Yorkshire and set up a coffee shop, right. So Richard moves to Yorkshire, to London, sets up a coffee shop, and then William sets up his own coffee shop which then evolves into the music shop. And William is advertising quite a bit in the newspaper. So he's really sort of he knows how to promote a product.
Speaker 2:Oh well, maybe that's where I get it from.
Speaker 1:So he's really using sort of his marketing skills.
Speaker 2:Because that would have been the TikTok of the day Well that is crazy. That is absolutely mental. I wish my dad was there to be there.
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Speaker 1:If you get a chance and look, I know times are hard, but if you get a chance please just check out the Power of One website. I've put the details in the podcast description and even just tell people about this organisation, this wonderful organisation, and what they are doing to help animals and especially dogs, and if you know me, you know all of my dogs around the world. Now back to the podcast. A bit of a disclaimer. We have got some emotional scenes coming up, so definitely get the tissues ready. So I reached out to you, mitch I've known you for quite a while, right and I reached out to you and I said would you come to my podcast, gene yourology, family history? And you said yes, but you didn't know a lot, did you, about the family tree.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I've never really known much apart from my direct family address and I think, because I have also known that my mum never knew who her dad was, I've never really wanted to ask too much because I never thought I'd get answers, I guess, but also I was kind of wanting to answer questions that weren't necessarily directly affecting me. So I was like is it really my place to ask? But I think now, as I've got older especially, I think it's like why not know about your history and your ancestry?
Speaker 2:it's a beautiful thing, really, and it is what makes sure, which is why I'm excited to talk.
Speaker 1:So when we were speaking and you said that you didn't know who your dad was and you wanted to find him, I told you, I came round and I think we met in a car park and I thought for me a spit.
Speaker 2:That's bad dodgy, isn't it? Honestly, mitch, you wouldn't want to know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we met in a shopping centre car park and I got some of your spit and we sent off an ancestry DNA test, found your dad, jackie Right. How does that make you feel?
Speaker 3:I could cry it's a long time coming.
Speaker 2:It's okay, this is good.
Speaker 3:When you've grown up. Why are you feeling worthless? For different reasons and some of the like, the way my mum was with me growing up, and the things that you know from her. It's just, matt, that I do have a dad. No matter what, I've got a dad, you know, there's part of me. It makes me wonder if some of my things, the traits, the things, my stubbornness, because growing up, oh my gosh, this is so stubborn Jesus. I've always been told I'm stubborn, and that's what keeps me going.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you want to be stubborn, yeah.
Speaker 3:But you know it's just knowing where you're coming from. It is a big part of my life.
Speaker 1:So I know that you thought this already. Obviously because of his age, sadly he's no longer with us, right? And I know that was something that we'd considered when we worked out the age of him. But you took your ancestry DNA test and you had a really close cousin match and that cousin match turns out to be a half-sister. Wow, another sister, he's lovely.
Speaker 2:Another sister.
Speaker 1:And she sent me some information Right About your biological dad. Oh my God, go out.
Speaker 3:There.
Speaker 2:Breathe, have a breather.
Speaker 3:So she actually like grew up with him. Yeah, wow.
Speaker 1:So she actually said she was gutted when she found out that you didn't know him and she doesn't believe that it was his decision not to have any contact with you. Oh right, because he was a man who was fair, believed in justice, he loved his local history. She said, wow In, he left school really young, without any qualifications. But she said if it had been another ear raid it'd probably been an architect. Oh, wow, yeah.
Speaker 3:So she said that is so mad that because I love all that, really I love, I love grand designs and you know watching how things are made.
Speaker 1:And he was very sort of socially conscious. So he was very aware that, you know, a lot of social issues in today's society are down to poverty and he was very much, very much aware of that. She said he was very bright, even though he didn't particularly have a great education. He was very intelligent, a very intelligent man. I've got a picture of him.
Speaker 3:Do you?
Speaker 1:want to see it Please.
Speaker 2:Wow, are you ready for this? Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:I'm crying out of.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's relief, relief, it's relief.
Speaker 3:So she grew up with him, did she, she did Wow yeah.
Speaker 2:How old is she?
Speaker 1:I don't know she must be younger than me. Yeah, she is younger than you. So there's also he was married before he met this, this lady's mum. So there's also there's another half sibling, and he also adopted a child as well. Oh, wow. No, wow. So I've got a picture of him when he was younger, if he wants to have a look. And then I've got another one. He's been slightly older. That's your dad, jackie. Oh my God.
Speaker 2:Oh, my God.
Speaker 3:Flipping next. I feel like he's got your eyes. Wow, he's got big ears.
Speaker 2:You have big ears, do I? Yeah, I'm not sure, I'm not sure, I'm not sure, I'm not sure, I'm not sure, I'm not sure, I'm not sure, I'm not sure, I'm not sure, I'm not sure, I'm not sure, I'm not sure.
Speaker 1:Wow, if you pass it back, mitch, I've just got an older picture of him, which. I can show you how old would he have been. So he would have been, I think, about, yeah, early 20s. And then I've got another picture of you, of him, sorry, in later life.
Speaker 3:Oh my God, I think he looks like him.
Speaker 2:I think he really looks like look at that. That's your nose and some eyes.
Speaker 3:Definitely that part.
Speaker 2:When you take out his mouth.
Speaker 3:Now I know why I'm receding.
Speaker 2:I hope I don't have to get a hair transplant.
Speaker 3:Did he live?
Speaker 1:in Leeds. He lived in Leeds, yeah, his whole life.
Speaker 3:Wow.
Speaker 1:His whole life.
Speaker 3:So I could have even passed his house when I went looking Now.
Speaker 1:This isn't the only mystery that I'm solving for you today, so we're wishing she never came. Mitch, I know this is going to do me off.
Speaker 3:Can I ask how old he was first?
Speaker 1:when he passed, of course. Yeah, I've got a picture of his grave if you want to see it.
Speaker 3:I don't know if you would, oh wow.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, oh.
Speaker 2:Wow, and that's his dear love wife.
Speaker 3:Mother and grandmother. Oh, so he's got crankits as well.
Speaker 2:That's the way June.
Speaker 1:He passed on the 19th of November 1992, and he was 68 years old.
Speaker 2:Oh, so Right.
Speaker 3:Because I have this thing in my head as well about like I know my mum was. She was my mum was 70. No, can't remember now because my head's a bit fuddled. But I look at like how long somebody's lived and I was curious to how long my dad lived or still if he was at that point still here to see my life expectancy.
Speaker 1:I kind of work things out like that the thing is, though I think for a lot of people, they do want to know that you know, especially like if you're adopted or you don't know your mum. You saw your dad. It's things like medical stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and I think for me because, yeah, I did want to know that side because of having cancer and so that's not the only mystery that I'm going to solve for you today.
Speaker 1:Right, so there was another part of your family tree that we didn't know a lot about, and that was on your mum's side.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And that was your mum's dad. What did you know then about your, or what were you told about, your mum's dad? Not really a lot, Only that her dad possibly could be a judge, ah, so she'd had like a brief, she'd had a brief encounter with somebody. Yeah.
Speaker 3:And he could be a judge. And he could have been a judge, but it's all here, say again, so I'm not really sure. So I found him.
Speaker 1:Your mum's dad, my mum's dad? Wow, yeah, so he actually lived in Falesworth. You're joking? No, he wasn't a judge. He worked for like Ford cars doing parts during the war. He was basically what we think of today as like a lorry driver, that type of thing, so what happened was and he's got a lovely family, by the way.
Speaker 1:So his daughter, which would be your mum's half-sister yeah, is still alive, wow. And her son is lovely. He's sent me loads of information about him for you, oh, and he's sent me a couple of pictures if you want to see them. Yeah, wow, so this is my mum's dad, so this is your granddad, wow.
Speaker 3:That is crazy.
Speaker 2:You have a granddad.
Speaker 3:Oh no, do you know? I mean, I had a grandma of a fashion, but not so this is him when he was younger. Oh my God, Wow, that is crazy. So, that's my mum's Is your mum's dad. She does my mum's got a lot of handshakes in that picture she does Wow.
Speaker 2:She really does. So this is oh wow.
Speaker 1:So that's him just a bit later on in life. Wow, don't you like how your genes get passed on. Do you think if your mum had known who her dad was and maybe had him in her life? Yeah, definitely A bit more maybe of a stable figure compared to what she got with her mum that knock-on effect of how she treated you.
Speaker 2:I think as well. My mum has always had father figures, like whether it was my uncle Billy with the father figure before he passed, whether it was my neighbour of my childhood home.
Speaker 3:Arthur.
Speaker 2:And again he was like a father figure. So I think my mum has always like seeked for that father figure and again I think, a dad. It's a sense of stability, isn't it Like? I think stability normally comes more from Even though it's definitely not true, but the feeling of it comes more from your dad than it would your mum, because in our eyes as a kid, your dad should protect her and your mum is like your lover, you know, that kind of like what you, even though it's the other way around. In my house.
Speaker 2:And that's the most softest person ever. But I think it's that it's when you see everyone else, whether it's your friends or your peers, and they have that kind of like the dad's, the strong presence in their life, you do. It's like anything in society you crave something that you don't always have. So I feel like that stability, as probably the lack of, has impacted you throughout your life where you've searched for stability, whether it's in someone or in something.
Speaker 3:A thing, isn't it? I think as well, especially like when I was growing up. I don't know if you're allowed to say the word bastard, but I was many a time, numerous times, called a bastard in school, Were you not a?
Speaker 1:jack.
Speaker 3:No, but you get scared, don't you yeah of course, so like you crave for something and you just want to be part of that. I mean, there's so many different forms of bullying in there, especially like today.
Speaker 1:Can I just say thank you so much for coming on the podcast. Thank you, Jackie. Has that answered a few questions? How has it been for you? Because I think you had the most information really in the podcast.
Speaker 3:I feel I belong. Now I do belong and it's nice, even though I've cried. It's nice to know that you know and find out that your dad Do you think you want to meet your half sister? If she wanted to meet me. I would never step on her toes because I've lived without a dad in that sense, but it would be nice to see.
Speaker 2:And even to ask more questions of like, just about him and Definitely.
Speaker 1:Everybody that I've contacted to do with your biological grandfather and your biological dad have been lovely, really forthcoming with information. Did they know about me? No, they didn't know, and they didn't know, in your granddad's case, that he had had another child before they figured it out through the DNA. But they didn't know. Now I'm going to finish with a quick question that I ask all my guests, and I am conscious of time. So he's going to look at me and say come on, micaela, I want to go home. If you could invite anybody from your family tree who's no longer with us for dinner tonight, who would it be? What would you cook, mitch?
Speaker 2:I have two different answers.
Speaker 1:Go on.
Speaker 2:For my mum's sake I'd say her dad, just so you could have a conversation with him. Even if he went again and never came back, you could answer some questions, but I would really like to speak to Edgar Percy holiday.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you could do that with him. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I'd love to you know those times where you'd love to take yourself out of the time for it now, and look at what was happening then. I would have loved to have seen, like, how people responded to the stage and like that's. I would have loved to have seen that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 2:How about you?
Speaker 3:I think definitely that, and also my mum. Yeah, to have a few conversations with her.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:I think I'd talk to her about her dad, because I think yeah. I felt some of her pain, like when she used to talk about how she was brought up. So I do understand, but you know you've got to make that difference, I'm sure, yeah.
Speaker 2:So now, sometimes think the being the person that breaks the mould of trauma. Yeah, it's not just breaking your own trauma, it's like it is going back a lot of the time and and not fixing but putting things in place where it's like no, that, this is this, this is this, and now, for me, I know what I need to know. So I think breaking trauma it doesn't just, it's not just about yourself, it is about going back. So when you meet again, Thank you so much.
Speaker 2:Thank you. Thank you and thank you for having me as well.
Speaker 1:Thank you, yeah, thank you. So that is it for this week's podcast. Thank you so much again to the wonderful Mitch and his mom, jack, for popping on and letting me delve into their family tree. A massive thank you to Becky and Whitney Antiques for supporting this podcast, and also to Sam, at the power of one. Thank you so much. I couldn't make this podcast without you, so thank you very much. I must also thank the researchers on this episode, which was Amy Boyd, olivia Chapman, ella Matthews and Matilda Domane. I must also thank my production assistants, jivaria Salim and Lucy Stott, and a huge thank you to you guys for listening. Thank you so much. Thank you for all your messages, for your comments, for suggestions of guests I've had this week. So thank you. It's very much appreciated. Don't forget, if you want to get in contact with me, you can you do so via my website, which is wwwmackaylihumecom. Have a fantastic week researching and I shall see you again soon.