We are guided by Spirit to take our life's path - Wendy Nethersole -

Please come along to see how Wendy Nethersole's life has been guided by Spirit, including how she started her studies and see how every twist and turn in her spiritual path was clearly guided by synchronicity and spiritual inspiration. 

There have been books falling off shelves,  alleyways in New York City that drew her to a metaphysical book store, and eventually  studying and learning how to take people to their past lives, the time between their lives and their Akashic records.  

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Transcript

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I am really excited to be here with Wendy Nethersal. I first met Wendy through the Reincarnation Symposium is where I first learned of her and had a chance to do a regression with you, Wendy in the lead up to the symposium. And it's, it's very, very nice to know you. Welcome. To the podcast. Thank you so much, Jim. I am absolutely delighted to be here today speaking together. This is a real treat. So thank you. It is. Now, you live in Asheville, North Carolina, but where'd you grow up? I grew up in Virginia. I grew up in Williamsburg, Virginia. Actually, I've lived in a couple of places, but that's really where I think about growing up. And it was an absolutely fantastic place to grow up as a child. You know, one of the original 13 colonies. Lots of history there. It was fun. It's my understanding that there came a time when you came across a book that had something to do with the spirit and spirituality and that sort of thing. Is that true? Absolutely. I would say I was about 12 years old, as I recall, when I came across a book. A book about Edgar Cayce, really, the famous medium. And I was so taken, and really just at the age, I read a lot. I mostly loved to read about people, biographies. I was just, I was always fascinated by the story of people. And Edgar Cayce came across my field of vision. And as you know, the A. R. E. Institute that carries an archive of all of his work is in Virginia Beach, Virginia, so very close by. And I was fortunate enough to even have a paranormal psychology course when I was in the ninth grade, I believe it was. Quite unusual, I think, for that time in high school. But Oh, that is, that is quite unusual. And we were so fortunate, so that would have been around, I'm going to say 1972 ish, something like that. And, the book, I was doing a book report on a book called Seth Speaks. By Ruth Montgomery, and it just went from there. It ignited such a passion in me to study and look into all things spiritual. And I'm sure there's no mistake about that. Yeah, so we, we were supposed to have Hugh Lynn Casey come and do a talk for us. Somehow that didn't work out, but that's, that was my introduction, was really reading about Edgar Cayce and all of the wonderful healing work that he did. And that really struck a chord for me. Was Edgar Cayce one of the first people that did past life regressions? But what's he famous for? He's most well known for what were called his life readings. Now, he lived until 1945. He was born gosh, I don't know the year he was born, but in the late, 1800s. He was a minister, really, by vocation. And an amazing man. They called him the Sleeping Prophet. He was known worldwide by 1945. People from all over the world would send him information, simply their birth date and birth name. And he could go into those archives. He would go into the multi dimensions. He put himself into, he would use self hypnosis. And he had a devoted secretary that worked with him as well as his wife. He actually went into self hypnosis and saved his wife's life at some point in time. She had what turned out to be tuberculosis and nothing was helping her. And when he went into self hypnosis, he was told what to do about it. And it was an unusual situation, really. She was supposed to lean over an old oak. casket and just different things he asked her to do. And it did bring her back and she was able to recover. And from that point forward, really, he did. Many, many of these readings for people, I think it was all donation, he didn't feel he could ask for money for them, but all of this information, thousands and thousands of life readings over the years are in the archives and all transcribed for people to study now in Virginia Beach. Very, very interesting. You first learned about this when you were, pretty young,, 12 years old. But you did go on to continue your studies and you ended up pursuing a degree in psychology, I believe. I did, and there's just no accident how things happen. I always knew that I wanted to go to college, and when I went to college, I really wasn't sure initially what I wanted to study. I started out in forestry and horticulture, and pretty, pretty quickly, really only one semester in, that just, that didn't seem to be working for me. And, I ended up doing a complete about face and going into studying psychology because I just asked myself the questions, what is it that I'm really interested in? And very quickly it was easy for me to see, well, everything that I read or I'm drawn to is all about people. And why do people in their life, go are they led on a path where they choose the path less traveled or they choose the right or the left or whatever their choices are? That fascinated me, and I wanted to study and learn more about that, but really, even from the beginning, I knew I didn't really want to be a traditional psychologist or psychiatrist, which was certainly an avenue I could have gone down. I was very aware of Dr. Ian Stevenson's work with spontaneous memories from children about past lives, and he was working at the University of Virginia. But, I chose to stay at Virginia Tech and completed a degree in psychology, and really another thing that was instrumental there, I was standing in line for books just before my junior year, I happened to pick up a book that was just next to me in line on the shelf, and it was called You Were Born to Be Together Again by Stephen Sutphen. And I was absolutely blown away. I stayed up all night reading this book wrote him a letter to see if I might transfer out to Arizona and work with him. Obviously, immediately I was catapulted onto this pathway of working with past lives and hypnosis, and it just enthralled me. So that was very instrumental. Wow. just want to point out, as you're talking about your life, I couldn't help but noting that you're pretty brave person when you're In finishing your first semester in college, you're really not even 20 years old yet. Right. Typically, right? Not even 20 years old. And for you to take a look at yourself and say, Where do I really want to go? I think that's rare in people. I think most people, when they're at that age, they say, What would my parents like me to do? What am I expected to do? What's a safe thing to do? But you didn't take that approach. You just looked at it and said, What do I want to do? And that's very telling, because it was echoed again when you read this book, and we're ready to just blast off into this new direction. And I think it's, it's certainly admirable and, Tribute to you that you were brave enough to do this, that, people weren't praised for pursuing the non traditional thoughts. Well, thank, thank you. There were a number of turning points in my life like that, I believe, and, and I'll have to thank my parents, really, for that support, because throughout my life even when it came to the spiritual path, my parents were Extremely supportive of myself and of me and both of my brothers. I have an older brother and a younger brother. they wanted us to make our own choices and to be comfortable making our own choices. And from the get go, they pretty much said to us, in your lifetime, It's important for you to choose and they were there always supporting. I always felt their love and support and for that I am eternally grateful. I know I'm so, so fortunate and so when I was in college, I had absolutely no hesitation to follow what I felt was urgent. I felt I'm going to say it was my soul calling. I felt a calling somehow, an urgency, and so that was the natural way for me to respond. Well, what a wonderful gift that your parents gave you of being supportive of you and what you wanted to do. That really is a beautiful thing. And it's benefited all of us because you have pursued it and look what you do for people every day. it's wonderful. And I appreciate that you didn't go out to the West to study with that individual, but you did do some studying with Universal Brotherhood University. Could you tell us about that a little bit, please? Sure. So, fast forward now I'm living after school, that actually came about as I lived in Sarasota, Florida. And, so this is the year 2004, and I'd had a whole other lifetime, really, of working I'm going to say, it's almost like left brain, right brain. After I got out of college, I was working for about 12 years in, in the Washington, D. C. area in real estate development, which was actually a wonderful preparation. But at some point, once again, my soul told me it was time to move on. And by this time, through a dear, dear friend, I had discovered A Course in Miracles. And this was instrumental in my life. What it taught me was nothing happens randomly. It doesn't mean we don't have free will, but nothing happens randomly, and so when I decided that when my soul felt I was no longer learning in the real estate world, I really flipped back into what was always there, my love for healing, the healing arts, and when I was in Sarasota And I was developing a practice I tried at first to go back into real estate when we moved in 1996 to Sarasota, where my parents in law lived. It just wasn't working. It was like hitting a brick wall. And I knew from past experience that when that's happening, you need to make, like if you're a sailboat, you need to just make incremental movements with the sails so that you're working with the wind and not against it, so to speak and so as, as I'm I decided, well I'm just going to look into what I can do with my healing. And I had already received, or was working to receive my Reiki master, and I was working on a couple of different things, but at the same time, I knew that in the state of Florida, in order to be in healing work, you were either required to be a licensed massage therapist, or you needed to be an ordained minister. And I didn't feel that I was going to be going down the path of a massage but I was very interested and I thought I had some friends actually that were already affiliated with this beautiful group of souls and Universal Brotherhood Movement and so I contacted both my husband and I, we contacted Universal Brotherhood and we were asked to submit a what I call a spiritual autobiography and it was really just a description of your ministry, which they always felt was your, whatever your life path is, that is your ministry, your gifts. And that is what led me to be a part of Universal Brotherhood Movement. And they have a branch, an educational branch, and if you became certified with them that was your bachelor's. If you wanted to continue, you could work separately on a Master's of Divinity or a Doctorate of Divinity. So through the years I did further work and with my Master's with them, I studied color. And I absolutely adore everything with color. A spirit once told me my color is iridescence, which I thought was lots of fun. I love things that sparkle and glitter, I guess. But I, so I worked with color and the vibration of all different colors and what that means to us in our life. Translating it onto fabric, and that's where my love of doing soul portraits came. And then after that, The Doctor of Divinity was really all about, The pathway of how are God given gifts how we share them, what are the archetypes that we work with and that we're drawn to in our life. And for me I just felt that it's so important for each of us to know the truth of who we are so that we can shine our light as brightly as possible out into the world in alignment with those gifts and that as we Can support each other. All around the world. We're global citizens, okay? We may be born into different countries and nationalities and cultures, but we're global citizens on this planet and in this galaxy, and we're here to assist each other. And I feel that as we support each other's gifts, that that is the way that we are going to create peace, that we are creating peace. on this planet and, and throughout the multi dimensions. So, heart to heart, that's, that's what I believe and that's, that's how I came to work with, with Universal Brotherhood Movement and, and those and those studies. You mentioned that you were already doing Reiki at the time when you started those studies, is that right? Yes, I actually worked with two individuals, specifically with Reiki, and the, the first, when I became a Reiki master originally was the year 2000, and so That was with a lady named Frances Milford, and later I worked through Universal Brotherhood with beautiful individual, Reverend Dr. Jenna Prigmore, and so both of those were instrumental with Reiki for me, we were brought into Universal Brotherhood Movement in 2004, so for about four years I had already been working with Reiki. Okay. I have met some people through the podcast that talk about Reiki and that they have some kind of a medium type abilities and they can look into people's past lives as part of the Reiki. I never realized until speaking with them that Reiki is much more than you just put your hands above somebody and some energy flows. There can be a lot more to it depending on the person. Have you ever had any type of medium abilities or abilities to to communicate with souls or spirits on the other side? Absolutely, Jim. Oh my goodness. It's there's, it's universal life force energy to me. It's all universal life force energy. Okay. As I'm working with someone, I found, you know, teachers, I think lots of times at least my teachers, I've heard them say, I'm going to teach you the way I do it, and then you will make it your own. Okay? And so, we all have So, we have so many gifts that we're meant to share, and for myself, what I noticed immediately in working with individuals and working around the body, I love to work intuitively. I know that there are specific hand positions with Reiki, but I always follow my inner guidance. And so my inner guidance is showing me where to work and where to go, and I've already Connected initially with a prayer asking to be shown where to go and if there's any additional information That the guides the angels and all the healing team that I'm working with Myself and obviously the individual that I'm working with Please bring it through I am Always affirming that I am a pure and clear channel for spirit and what spirit wants to come through for the best and highest good of this individual. And so as I'm walking around, I'm receiving visual information as if it's a movie for this individual is what happens. Okay. And it's like for me. A feeling knowing, I'll just receive downloads of information that come out of the blue, so I know it's not something that I'm just making up, because these are things that I would never come up with for the individual. They're just all kinds of information, and I don't speak them out. I'm just working very quietly with the person. But when I'm complete, what started happening is I would ask the individual, I was receiving impressions for you first I will ask them what their experience is, because I don't want to color anything. I want to hear from them first. And then I would ask them there are some things that came through, would you like me to share them with you? And everyone want, yes, yes, I'd love to hear whatever was coming through. And after a while, individuals started telling me, I can't remember all of this. Could you please record this for me? So that I can Refer back to it. And so I started doing that in session. So after a while, I just felt like I just started calling these Reiki intuitive sessions because so much information was coming through. I felt that I was being asked to share it from their guise from spirit. Because, as I said, my prayer was always, whatever comes through, please, Please let me know what you would like to be shared with this individual. So I always trust that guidance and it's always for their best and highest good. It's people sometimes would burst into tears or they just become very emotional because perhaps something that I've said touched such a deep cord that I wouldn't know. Right. That would tell me that there's something here. There's something here. So it's an honor and a privilege to work in this way with people. I am so glad that you explained that so nicely and thoroughly. In some work that I did with Carol Louie on having my own past life regression. I had never had one before, and I have always wanted to connect up with spirit, and I, have not been very successful in it. But during that, I did come to understand what you mentioned. And it is in the knowing, Where all of a sudden you just know things they pop into your mind, they come from. Spirit. They don't come from my mind. They don't come from anything that I have seen or experienced. They just come into my mind and it's really a fantastic experience to have that come into your mind. What was that like when you started having that knowing? It must have been kind of blowing your mind a little bit at first because it kind of did me. Oh, yes, it does because well, and especially when something comes out of the blue that's so unusual and you're wondering, should I even mention this? I, this, you know, but then you know, yes, it's coming to me, I'm supposed. So, the more I would mention these seemingly absurd things, and people would be, Oh my goodness, oh my goodness. I even, I, I don't, I don't normally receive names, for instance. And at one point, I was working with a friend I just, I, I remember that I was seeing She had a fear. She had had a fear. She had no idea why, but she, she had a friend that wanted her to move I believe it was to Louisiana. And she did not know why. She just immediately knew, I am not moving to that state. I've never been there. I don't care. And when I was working with her, a past life came up. And she was definitely in chains around her, she was in leg irons and I could tell it was in Louisiana, and there were swamps, and a, a name came to me, and she immediately, Burst out. Oh my goodness. I can't believe it. That is my nickname in this lifetime. wouldn't have had any idea, and she said, and that explains why I can't stand the thought of going to live in Louisiana, even though I've never been there. So these are the types of things that would happen that would spur me on to just. It was, you know, I was cultivating trust and faith that no matter what's coming to me, if it's coming to me, trust, you're meant to share it. I'm relaying information, but I'm not really interpreting it, okay? It's up to the individual they may or may not resonate with the information. So, and I'll even say do you resonate with any of this? Does any of this make sense to you? Because I have no idea if it will, but I'm offering it because it's coming to me, and I feel that there's something that it pertains to. So I'm just going to offer the information, and then you put it out there. Spirit is asking you to share it. I'm putting it out there, and where it lands is is up to the individual and it may not land. Sometimes what happens is the person gives me a blank look or they say I have no idea what you're talking about and occasionally I've received a call back maybe even a month or two later and someone will tell me remember when you said thus and such and now it makes perfect sense. That doesn't always happen. But it happened often enough that again, it does confirm for me that I'm meant to share the information that comes. Now, when you, you mentioned in your website that you offer an integrated approach to your healing sessions. I take it that that means that you're going to maybe do Reiki, but it also includes passing along any information of past lives or anything like that. It's not, past lives are not specifically part of Reiki. no, not specifically. So you, you integrate those. well, I will if that's what comes through and but that may not always, yeah, I'm not, I'm not making any guarantees because I'm not second guessing spirit either. The reason I call it integrated is whatever is coming through, I'm integrating that information and passing it on to the individual. If someone calls me or is in touch and they're, Clicking on the soul regression button and basically I know that they're really most interested in The way I was trained by Dr. Linda Backman and others To work in that way with them. On the other hand, there's so many ways that you can access, even spontaneously as we know, a past life memories. I mean, to me, it's part of our DNA and when someone says, well, what if I don't believe in reincarnation or past lives? To me, that's fine. Let's just go with it because you're accessing the DNA. You know, you're accessing the multi dimensions. We do that in dreams. So, if someone is clicking on my website on on the other hand, under Reiki, or some of my other sessions, The integrated sessions, then I know that that's kind of what they're interested in. Sometimes people tell me, I'm not really sure, I was guided to your website, I'm not really sure what I want. Then after I speak with them for a while, it will, it really just comes to me. What it feels to me, they're looking for, cause I'll ask them, what is it you're interested in, what would you like to accomplish through a session, and I'll suggest something as a starting point, and because I have so many things really to choose from We'll have a starting point as a session and then we can go from there. Sometimes they want to try all of the above. Okay. Yeah. That's a good segue into one of the things that you focus on, I believe in your practice, and that's past life soul regressions. If someone clicked on the button for past life soul regressions, could you tell me what happens next with them? Oh gosh, well, well, so I, I'll never forget many, many years ago when my guides told me that I would be working with people to assist them in time traveling. And I remember thinking, wow, how fantastic is that? Because I always loved the idea of time traveling and, and as Tom Kenyon puts it, jumping timelines. I, I, it wasn't really until I met Carol Louie that someone else used that specific phrase and I just love that. So, from that point forward, which was really, I'm going to say in the early 2000s happened to be with my husband in a, bookstore in Black Mountain near Asheville. We were studying the reconnection work at that time, but we happened to be in Asheville and went into a metaphysical bookstore, and you know how these things happen, Jim, I kid you not. A book literally jumped off the shelf in the used book area into Jay's hands, and we looked at it, and it was Dr. Michael Newton's book, Destiny of Souls, and we looked at each other and said our destiny? And so, not only that, we opened the book, and inside there was there was actually, because it was a used book, there was a letter in there, and looking in the letter, it was a love letter. to a woman and we thought, wow, this woman's going to wish she had this. So we went up to the desk and we asked the person if they knew this person and they told us, oh yeah, she's, we'll, we'll get it back to her. We went to lunch that day and as we were having lunch we had the book in a clear bag and the woman that came to weigh on us actually said, Oh my goodness, I love that book. I wish I still had it. And we both looked at her and we knew the name on the letter and we said, Are you thus and such? And she just was thunderstruck. It was her. This was her book. And, you know, it just tells me there are no accidents. So we, we went on to study. We went on to research and decide who we wanted to work with. And we ended up really not working with the, the Newton Institute people. I, I guess we were guided to work with Linda Backman and being trained in soul regression there because, It just felt like there was a soul evolution aspect that was so strong and that really appealed to us. So, that led us on to years and years of study. Yeah. Delighted. In hearing that series of events that happened resulting in the waitress indicating that was her name. People might refer to that as freaky, because, because it's, it's wild, it's really wild that, synchronicity occurred and that you were just starting off, This book kind of attacked you, and then you went with it, and, and here it was. This was the starting place of it. It's so, so incredible. And, say incredible in a positive way. It's so wonderful that you're getting this guidance. And it's, it's so neat. It was so fantastic. It was such a strong, Tap, you know, not even tap, like whack on the shoulder of this is your destiny. We knew there was no mistake. it struck us. Because by that point in time Jim, I knew that life really had been showing me through synchronicity and serendipity really, that as I think I mentioned at one point when we were speaking, that to me it's like, know, pearls, I call them pearls of wisdom, pearls from spirit. And, just as the oyster creates pearls from, from things that happen in your life, they're all connected. Everything's connected and spirit is constantly bringing you information. If we're paying attention, spirit is constantly communicating with us and our soul is is you know soul spirit soul is always moving us in the direction that is in alignment with who we are and when we're as i said before when i feel like i'm hitting a brick wall i know that i meant to just Move incrementally back into alignment if I've moved out and you can feel it you feel the flow And so this was part of that amazing flow that was coming and when she looked at us this waitress And she said with this Destiny. We gave it back to her. We said, Oh no, you must have your book back. It's obviously this was meant for you. She asked us our address. She bought us a new book and mailed the book to us because she really wanted us to have the book. And then of course, we discovered that the first in the series was called Journey of Souls. So, there are so many things when I look back in my life that happened like that, that I know once again, it's not random. Spirit is always guiding us. When I learned that you had studied with Dr. Linda Backman, I did a little bit of research into her and certainly the things that she writes books about and, and talks about could be an entire episode in and of itself with souls, earth based souls, angelic realm souls. I mean, just so interesting. What a wonderful person to study with. Absolutely fascinating. True. So when we. Began studying and this would have been well first I had, I found out in Sarasota there were a couple of individuals that offered past life and between life sessions, so had a couple of sessions and knew immediately I was already researching who we might study with. Right. And I, I guess we started probably around 2010. And then, just from that point forward, and I, really wanted to dig as deeply as possible. So, we studied both through Skype at the time. Yes. We didn't have Zoom then. And also in person in Boulder, Colorado. But I will say that another integral part of my study has always been reading. Everything I can get my hands on. I love all kinds of different books, but when I look around me, so many of my books are all spirit related. I think one of my favorite things early on was called Spirit Speaks, and it was a lot of channeled material from different places. But then the different books as well, whether it was Edgar Cayce or Linda's books, Dr. Brian Weiss, Dr. Michael Newton. There's so many, just a plethora available to us. And they really have been Huge teachers in my life as well, but Linda has been instrumental in her work with soul origin, as you say, absolutely a whole nother episode, which would be fascinating to talk about as well. Originally. We looked at different soul origins and, and it became very clear to me after studying with her, especially for the three years that I studied during the pandemic with the zoom classes more in depth. What my soul origin was and and it was there were some as you called them freaky incidents There were some things that spirit was trying to call my attention to in my home during that time. I have been given many gifts in my life that were Angels. I'll show you here. I know you, we can't see it on the audio only, but I've I can't believe how many people give me angels and, and there was a period during the time I was taking these classes that I had sculptures around the edge of my doorway, for instance, and I would hear a crash in the house. I'm working on my computer and I came around the corner and these sculptures were just as tight as they could be with Velcro, but somehow they had come loose and crashed on the ground. And this happened with two of them. I have a fairy angel winged sculpture in the living room for some reason, the next day that fell on the floor. And I realized the angels are trying to get my attention. You've got my attention. So, you know, very, very interesting that during that time. apparently was the divine timing for me to know that this was my soul origin and to learn more about it because I was going to be integrating a lot of this information into my work, which I did right away. And interesting as well, that after that, a number of individuals who were drawn to come and work with me, it seemed that that was there. background and soul origin, not something that I would tell them. It would simply the information would come up in a session. But see, there's just no accident. The serendipity and synchronicity of life is astounding. I since I've been working on this podcast, my eyes have been opened to look for more of these. Serendipities and synchronicities and now it just seems like I'm constantly running into them. And I think it's a blessing that I'm able to recognize them because they were there all the time. I'm sure. I just didn't know it. Absolutely. Absolutely. One of the times that most strikes me, we talk about those, I'm going to call it a lightning bolt moment, you get this download that just puts everything into perspective. I had, another one of those times when going back now, we're going back to the year 1993, I knew that it was time for me to move. And I just decided I wanted to move to New York City, and the reason was, for the Washington, D. C. area, I wanted to work more in the fabric industry. I wanted to look at that right brained side of myself that loved color and fabric and all things, creating beauty. When I moved to New York City, I was walking down the street one day, And literally, who would know, in the middle of New York City, it just struck me like a lightning bolt. Everything is God. Everything is spirit. That building, that sidewalk, that person, that book in the window. I just knew in that moment. That's why we're all connected. That's why it's all God, because we are all one. The universe is vibrational. Everything is energy. It's light, it's love, it's all one. that's the oneness in the unity that we are. And I felt it to my core in that moment. And from that. Time, especially. it just keeps getting better and better. And I, I'm just reminded in every moment of every day about that connectedness. Even if there's a challenge, even if there's something happening that perhaps is a little bit difficult to embrace. I know that Spirit is always working for me and through me, not against me, always for me and through me, as long as I'm open and allowing that energy to come through. And that's really my truth. When I, when I work with what I call illumination of soul, path, and life purpose, I feel such a joy. In each and every moment that I can feel that, that, that's what I'd like to offer and give to others in my work. So that was just a wonderful moment when I received that gift. I wanted, I did want to back up to that a little bit and just mention that, as a human being just going about your business, I always say minding your own business, walking down the street in New York City and watching out you don't get run over by somebody or something and, and not stepping in this or that and, and just seeing all the millions of things going on there and then all of a sudden this lightning bolt happens. Obviously you'll never forget it, and I'm sure that you can go right back to that moment and, feel it. Oh, I can. I can. And, I'd like to tell you what happened right after that because it just didn't stop. So, so I'm walking down the sidewalk. Now this has gotten my attention, as you know. Oh yeah, oh yeah. I had been visiting for a short time a place. It was called the Aquarian it was the Aquarian something or other. And it was a little metaphysical place that was off to the side in what they called the ABC streets. Oh, yeah. I know those. Yeah. Well, I wasn't that familiar with New York City yet. I did live there for a short time, but about eight months. But in the beginning, someone told me about this place. They knew that I was interested in metaphysics. When I went there someone, they used to give messages, and someone had asked me if I knew about the, the Great White Brotherhood, of course, the Brotherhood of Light, the Ascended Masters, and, and they asked me if I knew about, that Kuthumi was my teacher, and I, I had not heard of the Ascended Master Kuthumi at that moment, could you spell that K U T H U M I Okay, thank you. This is the Ascended Master that's also had a lifetime as St. Francis of Assisi and Pythagoras and a number of other well known incarnations, but I found this out, but here's what happened. As I went back, and there were books in the back of the room, and I picked up Some beautiful ancient wisdom books pamphlets and books. And as I was walking, and this was maybe a, just a day or two later, I had been asked to look for a book called, of Masters and Men. And this is connected to history and interesting things happening around the Theosophical Society and others that were involved. And I had not at that point known a lot of that history, but I was walking down the street in New York City, huge, you know, of course, Manhattan. And I just, for whatever reason, I used to love to go in my hours that I wasn't working, looking in different parts of the city. I was a tourist in the city and it was great fun. And I was just led to make a left turn down this little alleyway. And I had no idea why. I turned left. I was walking down this area. I didn't really even know what direction I was going to. And about 20 yards down to the right, I turned and looked and there was a tiny little metaphysical bookstore and right in the window was that book of Masters and Men. And I thought, what? You're kidding me. I didn't even, I mean it wouldn't have even been available at that point in time in a regular, you know, like Barnes Noble. No. So, I went straight in, of course, and bought it. It's just fascinating to me. I couldn't believe it. So, once again, Yet another incident that told me when information comes to you like that out of the blue, this is guidance. Now, you can accept it and act on it or not. But why not? That's right. That's right. Yes. Yes. You know, I had intended to speak in this first episode about the past life regression therapy and And then also talk later about the Akashic Records. But we have found ourselves to the end of the first episode, and we haven't even touched those things. But I am so thrilled with this discussion, and What I'm going to do now is we're just going to take a little break and start back up again and get on to other topics and, but this would be it for this episode and Wendy, don't go anywhere. All right. I won't. Absolutely, Jim. It's just been, it's been my absolute pleasure. Thank you so much.