Psychic Spying: An interview with Lyn Buchanan

Lynn Buchanan is an expert in controlled remote viewing (CRV).  He  has a background in the military and intelligence services. 

In this episode he discusses his experiences in the field, the development of CRV techniques, and notable missions where CRV was utilized, such as the rescue of General Dozier and intelligence operations involving Russian submarines. 

Buchanan also shares personal anecdotes about his abilities and training, his childhood as a 'railroad kid,' and his transition from the Methodist ministry to the military. The conversation reveals insights into the structured methodology of CRV, its strengths and weaknesses, and its practical applications in intelligence and espionage.

Transcript

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Today I'm really excited to be visiting with Lynn Buchanan. Lynn is a guy that has studied very hard and worked very hard to develop abilities that very few people in this world have. And we're going to hear a little bit about it today. And welcome. Welcome Lynn. Well, thank you. And thank you for the invitation. Sure. I, I know that you don't live on the East Coast like I do. Where are you? You're out in the West somewhere. Well, Central, actually South, South Central. I'm in Southern New Mexico. Okay, cool. Right. If you know where the Texas points to the left, you know that point there? I'm about 80 miles north of that point. Okay, okay. Guess you're not worried about having any snow today, like in the northeast. We had some yesterday, actually. Oh, really? Yeah. Surprising. Interesting. So I know that you were in the military at one point in time, but you're not in the military now. You were, you were an entrepreneur. Well guess you could say that, entrepreneurs usually make some money. Well, you have your own business put that way. I have my own business. And what's the name of that business? It's Problems Solutions Innovations. When I got out of the military on active duty. I'm still on, I'm still on retention, by the way. Oh, you are? Oh, okay. Yeah. So, every time the phone rings, I, I grit my teeth. I went to work for the intelligence service the U. S. intelligence services. At one point I retired from that and started My own business, PSI problem, solutions, innovations, and started teaching the remote viewing after it became declassified. I see. Okay. there is a lot to be gained by knowing controlled viewing CRV. Controlled remote viewing. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Where'd you grow up in this country? My dad worked for the railroad and if you take almost any little town or city between Los Angeles and Nacogdoches, Texas Which is over on the east side of Texas. I've probably lived there at least one day, maybe longer. Oh, that's very interesting. So, I'm a railroad kid, yeah. Okay. I never knew there was such a thing as a railroad kid. I've heard of military rats. But railroad kids, I didn't know. Okay. Well, then I settled down to be a Military. I see. I see. No, actually I went into the Methodist ministry, and the Methodist ministry moves their preachers every year. Okay. And so then I went into the military, which sends you all over the world, so. Very, very interesting. What kind of things did you do when you were a kid growing up as you were moving from this town to that town with the railroads? I mean, did you have, were you a sports guy or music or what did you do? Just kid stuff, really. Alright. Bicycles throwing baseballs, playing in mud puddles, you know all kinds of stuff. Just kid stuff, yeah. Alright, alright. Now, you have written the book The Seventh Sense, and I have reviewed that, and I'm fascinated by it, and I want to get into some of that, but let me ask before we do that, when was the first time that you Yourself realize that hey, maybe there's something going on here that I didn't know about before when did you have some sort of a spiritual sense or something like that going on? No, really. I can't point to a single point in time. Okay there My mother encouraged it and I've always you know I did the phones about to ring. It's your business calling, Then the phone rings, and Oh, okay, okay. Things like that, ever since I would, ever since I can remember, yeah. So that's so interesting because I've interviewed a lot of people whose parents really discouraged them from letting other people know about it. They ended up, putting a lid on it, even though they might've been seeing other spirits and things like that from when they were little kids, often they were told, don't do that, but you didn't get that message. Yeah. No I didn't. Mom just thought, hey, this is, for her it was just a part of being alive, and for me it was a part of being alive, and we took it for granted, we didn't think psychic, we didn't think woo woo, we didn't think special or anything like that, we just, hey, the phone's about to ring, get up and go. Grab it when it rings. So your mom had that same ability? Yeah, she, pretty much. Okay. There was, there was never a way to surprise her. One time I went home from college to surprise her. Yeah? Didn't let her know I was coming home from college. It wasn't a break or anything else like that. Walked in the house and she had a hot meal. Yeah. Sitting there in the table waiting for me. She, she knew. That wasn't, it's not a thing you can have an occupation out of that, you know, that the phone's going to ring or, you know, things ahead of time, not, not, not when you're growing up and you went on to college. What did you study in college? Studied,, languages, also studied for the ministry, became a Methodist minister And science and just all the regular topics, no matter what you're studying for you have to take math and history and right, you know, all these other things. How'd you get from the ministry to the military? The Well, that's sort of a personal thing. My first wife didn't want me in the ministry. Okay. Oh, okay. All right. So at some point in time, you decided that you'd give the military a try. Well, actually I went back to college and, still worked as a minister. Mm hmm. But then at one point I decided, I want to be a chaplain. And so I went into the ministry, and, well, I went into the military, and I speak five languages. I have Mensa IQ, and and they gave me all these tests, and they said, I'm sorry, we need you as an intelligence agent. Okay. So I became an intelligence agent Russian, German, and Mongolian linguist. Okay. And then an event happened over in Germany, where I was at the field station over there. And it attracted the attention of General Albert Stubberbein, he had been developing the remote viewing unit for several years, but he was also now trying to develop a unit that he wanted to have the ability to mentally destroy and or control enemy computers. Okay. And the incident over in Augsburg that happened was that if you've ever seen the movie The Men Who Stare at Goats I've heard of it, but I haven't seen it, no. Yeah, it's funny. Okay. It made, it ridiculed everything we ever did. But it was funny. But I got flaming angry one time and destroyed many computers. And so anyway, there was one of General Stubblebine's officers who had been trained to spot these events, who was there when it happened. He reported me to General Stubblebine, and General Stubblebine came over to Germany and grabbed me and Took me back to DC, but you didn't destroy them physically. you said that you destroyed some computers. Mentally. But you did it mentally. That's right. That's kind of the big point in this is that, that's what Stubblebine was looking for. That's right. I did it mentally, but they were physically destroyed. Oh, I see. I see. That's why my question wasn't very clear. they were destroyed physically. That happened by you taking mental action. Mentally. Yeah. Okay. That's right. Okay. Wow. That's fascinating. And it was, it was totally unintentional, but it happened. Okay. And when he approached Congress to form this unit, They said, absolutely not. Okay. They had been caught back in the 60's doing mind control experiments, and they said, No, this, taints your mind control and it will never happen. Okay. So then he took me out to Fort Meade, put me into the remote viewing unit, and was probably the most interesting job I'd ever had in my life. Ed, great surprise to you. Great surprise to me, yes. Yeah, when I first went in Skip Atwater, who was, who was there took me over to the Building. It was a condemned building that we worked in. And he took me over to the building and he sat me down in the front room. Nothing but the best for this, for this interview. Oh, absolutely, yeah. Just toss this out into the garbage dump. All right, I'm sorry, I interrupted you. He took you over to the building. And sat me down in the front room of that building. And he said, look around the room here. And I looked around the room. There was nothing. Special about it. He said, look at the ceiling, look at the baseboards, look at, it's a common room. He said, but it's not a common room. I want you to know that in this room, it's okay to be psychic. And that told me that The things that I had come to where I was hiding. My mother didn't teach me that. But through life I had learned to hide it. The things that I had been hiding were suddenly okay. And it was like a weight just lifted off my shoulders. It was fantastic. Must, must have been a tremendous relief and, and, and kind of a deep emotional one, I would think. It actually was. Yeah. Because this is you. This is who you are. You're a person that can do this. And nobody kind of knows that. But this guy. it. He knew it. Yeah. And that was a great communication between the two of you that it was like, Oh yeah, I know you can do it and it's okay. And you needed that. What, what a, what a moment I can imagine. It really was. They read me on to the project reading you on means they hand you a sheet of paper that tells you what the, unit really does not what they tell the public they do. And I read through that, and I thought, I'm on candid camera, come on, the army didn't do this stuff. And but then I signed it, because you have to sign it once you read it. And you know, You divulge this classified information. It's a ten thousand dollar fine and a minimum of ten years in jail. In prison, yeah. Yeah, that's pretty serious. It is serious, yeah. But but, then I went into the unit. They started training me. And, I took to it like a duck to water. I mean, It was just fantastic. I loved it. From the very start, I loved it. Tell me about the Monroe Institute. That was one of your earlier training places, I think. Yeah, before Bert General Stolbein became friends with him, called him Bert. Okay. Before Bert took me to the unit, he put me through the gateway course at the Monroe Institute. Okay. Which is basically a thing that teaches you out of body experiences. And I personally thought that was, so woo woo as to be just, wearing tinfoil hats. Right. And sure enough, it happened. And so I couldn't deny it. And when it Did, and I reported it Burt was there at the course too. He came for every course that he put people through. Okay. that's when he decided, yep, You go into the unit. Yeah. Okay. In the book you mentioned that at some point in time you found that you were able to put your hand through something. That's what the out of body felt like, I guess. Yeah, the out of body I still didn't believe it all the way through the course. And one of the times they put you in this closed unit where you lie down and you put headphones on and it puts the sound waves into your ears. Right. And I was lying there just thinking, What in the world am I doing here? You know, it's, it's a nice vacation, but other than that, come on, give me a break. And my nose itched. And I thought, I'm going to ignore that, and I thought, and it itched and itched, and finally I reached up, and rubbed my nose, and it felt like I had gloves on. Okay. And I opened my eyes and I looked and here was this glowing hand and I looked down and my hand was still on my chest. Your actual hand. My actual, my physical hand was on my chest. And here this hand of mine and I could feel my nose with my hand. I could feel my hand with my nose. And, so I thought, hey. Maybe this is what out of body means. So I started playing around with it, I stuck my hand through the bed and I stuck my hand through the wall and, and it worked. And I thought, okay, this is neat. I'm gonna put my hand back in my hand, pull it back out and do this again and get to where I can do it. I put my hand back in my hand. I've never had an out of body experience since. Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, no. That was, so I had an out of hand experience, I guess. Yeah, out of hand. That is so, that's, that's what it takes though, I think, right? You had to experience it yourself, and you did. That's right, yeah. Yeah, once it happens, you can't deny it. Right, right. You had mentioned the name, I think Skip Atwater. Yeah. He, he was a guy that really did a wonderful thing for developing the, the program, the remote viewing program to even a higher level, I think, didn't he? Well, he developed the program to start with and stayed with it through almost, through the rest of his military career, actually. Oh. He was not a remote viewer. Okay. He was an administrator. Okay. And was the activity director and all this. He wasn't the unit director, but he was the he was the honcho. Okay, and he was good. He's very good. He organized us. He kept us organized, kept us working, guided the projects through and all this and skips, skips a great guy. Okay. Another big name that, that you mentioned in the book was, Ingo Swann, Ingo Swann. Yeah. Ingo Swann Was taken out to Stanford Research Institute when Well, let me give you a little history here, okay? Okay, sure. The Russians at the end of World War II were dividing the spoils of Germany with the French, the British, and the U. S. Okay. Okay. And we got, all four of us got rocketry science experiments and everything else. When it came to a program that Hitler had called Dr. Grunbaum, means green tree. It was about psychic work, Psychological warfare and all that. And Russia was the only one interested in the psychic part. Okay. So they took it. In the 1960s, we were losing our classified information like we were just pouring it out on the ground. Okay. And a Russian officer named Pinkovsky, tried to defect and he brought papers with him that showed that they had been using psychics to gain our information. We had, our intelligence services had searched and searched and couldn't find out where the leaks were. Okay. And their documents showed that their psychics were getting our classified information. And so they said, well, If that's possible, let's see if we can do it too. Okay, right. And so they went out to Stanford Research, and asked Hal Puthoff and, Rosatard, two laser physicists, to do some experiments and see if it could be done. They they did the experiments. They worked with Principally, Ingo Swann and a cop named Pat Price. Okay. Who were both excellent psychics. And Ingo went on to formulate a training technique. A step by step training technique where this could be taught to soldiers. And from that, they formed a military unit, a man named Joe McMonagle, who is a natural psychic started working as the first remote viewer, but he didn't use Ingo Swann's technique, that came later. And as later people came in, they started training Ingo Swann's technique, because it works. It can train. I haven't seen anybody that it can't train to do the remote viewing. So here, here we were dumb grunt soldiers becoming some of the world's best psychics, spies. Yeah. Wow. Wow. Wow. That, I mean, that's, it's what a, what a development from the question being asked, Is Russia really doing this? Can they really do this? Oh, they did it first, yeah. To then finding a way to develop a technique that we, the United States, could build our own group of people to do it. That's right. That's a big step. And you were part of that team. Well the unit had been going for 10 years before I got there. Oh, really? Okay. Yeah. Huh. And had Ingo developed this, Mr. Swan, had he developed this training technique before you got there? Oh, yeah. Long before I got there. Oh, okay. Yeah. Okay. And when they put me into the unit and I signed that paper, they started training me. And It was great. I loved it. if it's okay with you, let's talk a little bit about the way that this, works. The, the person that is the, there are different terms that we're going to use here. One is the viewer. Yeah. And that's the person that gets the information. That's right. Then there's typically in a team, there's another person that works with them. Right? A monitor. A monitor. Yeah. Okay. And what the monitor does is when a viewer starts imagining things or using logic or, you know something like that, or goes out of the ANGUS I structure, they will correct you and get you back into structure. It goes out of the what structure? It goes out of the The Ingo Swann structure. Okay, what is that? Ingo, in formulating this training Formulated everything by a certain structure. Okay. That deals with the right brain, the left brain, you know, the intuitive side of the paper, the logical side of the paper where you write notes and comments and all this. Yep. And so A viewer will quite often go totally out of structure when they start imagining things or something like that. And when a viewer goes out of structure, then the monitor gets them back into structure, but never tells them anything about the target. Okay. And why not? If you tell a viewer anything about the target It's going to trigger imagination and it's going to trigger logic. So I tell you, oh, the target is a child that was kidnapped two weeks ago in New York City, and you try to view, well, everything you've ever heard about missing kids and abducted kids and all that, you know, you can't get rid of it. Right. But if, if I tell you instead, this is project 240705, question number three, what's the answer? You were pure. I see. Right. my mind doesn't have anything to leap to. That's right. My conscious mind anyway. Yeah. Yeah. But then, but then you go through and you start finding facts, you will automatically start saying, oh well if that's true, then, and the monitor comes in and says no. Write that over to the right side. You're using logic. Okay. Now come back and start viewing. Yeah. Okay. Very, very interesting. I, I want to talk a little bit about before we get into the real nits and grits of, of how it works, in the book you have a list of many very successful or eventful situations that remote viewing was used in and, and, and I'm just going to read to some of the, briefly, in Padua, Italy, there was a General Dozier. Could you tell a little bit about that? Yeah, that was Joe and I think Hartley and Rob that. General Dozier. had been captured by the Red Brigade in Italy. Okay. And they were holding him hostage, and they were about to kill him. Okay. And the task came in to the military unit find General Dozier. Okay. And so, they didn't tell the viewers that. But they started, they started working, and they described a city, and I think Joe even wrote in his session. Padua, Italy. Mm hmm. Joe is fantastic. Okay. He's a fantastic psychic. He wasn't a remote viewer. Okay. But So anyway, They found the place according to the descriptions of the buildings. Oh. And, they, from what I hear, they broke into the room where he was being held, right as the gun was pointed to the back of General Dozier's head. Oh my goodness. They were going to shoot him, and they got the, they got the terrorist, and saved him right there. So Incredible. It was one of those, right at the light, it was, it was, One of those movie, movie type things. Like a movie, yes. Right at the last minute, yeah. Yes, yes. And I know that there was that, and I think that was one of the earlier ones, and, and there was a lot learned from that, that hostage situations are very good ground for the remote viewing. They are, because They hold a lot of emotional attraction to them. Okay. Most of it is negative. But a lot of strong emotions that will attract a viewer. Okay. To them. And also, once you learn to view you do practice sessions until you're just blue in the face and can't stand it anymore. Okay. And, you get to where, eh, it's another session. But when somebody's life depends on it. Even at the subconscious level, your subconscious mind comes up and says, Hey, I can do this. Mm-Hmm. And you're gonna have a good session. If you're well trained and experienced, you're gonna have a good session. It just flows. Yes. Right. It does. Yeah. Yeah. There, there was a, a mission that you were involved with involving William Buckley. Yeah. Tell us a little bit about that, if you would, briefly. Well, he had been a hostage Mm-Hmm. in Iran. Was it? So long. That he actually qualified for citizenship in the country, and and they couldn't find him. Okay. And so they they came to the unit and we all worked the the location. And found him. But in that scenario, I think that it was learned that you had a particular strength in accessing people's. Mind mentally. That's right. Yeah, they're subconscious levels. Yeah. Okay, and Not all of their viewers could do that. That's right. Every viewer has their own strength and weaknesses Okay this is why we had a team Okay, Oh one will be good They're always correct about the color I see. But the shape of something, you can't depend on it and somebody else will have one ability for sounds, another one will have another one for personalities, emotions and things like this. And so we had a team of viewers and relied on their strengths. I see. So, so when you all got together and you observed what there was to be observed, then a lot could be gleaned from those facts or situations that you had picked up. Right. And it, it required an analyst to, yeah. Okay. Okay. Very, very interesting. In the remote viewing there are some things that it does well and there are some things that it doesn't do well. And there's some things that it does that are dangerous, but in the things that it doesn't do well, I would just start with that, that it's my understanding that numbers and letters and things like that, they don't just like jump right into the viewer's analysis. No, they don't, and I'm, and it's not only true for viewers, it's also true for, I think, all psychics. Oh, okay., numbers are conceptual in nature and they don't exist. And so they're very hard for psychics. And some psychic will say, the missing person or the criminal. I see a street sign. And on it there's, there's the letter B, but I can't read the rest. that cuts it down to all the street signs in the United States with the letter B on it. Right. And we had, other methods of remote viewing besides CRV. One of which is very good at getting numbers and letters. Oh, okay. But and Ingo also had developed a method in the CRV process. That was great at getting numbers and letters, but he never taught that to the military. Oh, interesting, interesting. A brilliant man then, obviously. He was a genius, absolute genius, yes. Yeah. There are a lot of things that the, that the CRV is very good at though, right? I mean, you, it can find out things that you can't find out by other means. We I had heard and I've heard it repeatedly. So I think it's, I'm pretty sure it's true that someone did a study and our accuracy rate was higher than spy in the sky satellite imagery. Which is photograph. Which is photographs. which is the interpretation of photographs. Oh, I see, I see. Wow, that's incredible. What valuable information. 90 percent accuracy. Well, you know, we could reach that. Couldn't. We didn't always reach it. No. But, you know, we're humans, so we didn't always reach it. Yeah. In fact, Joe, there was a building over there in Russia. That they couldn't get spies into it. They couldn't get any intelligence about it. So they came to the unit. Yep. And Joe viewed the inside of the building, drew what was in there. Okay. They were building the biggest submarine that was ever built. Okay. The, the Boomer submarine. And he not only drew the Inside of the submarine and the controls on the submarine. But he also predicted the day it was going to roll out and be put into the water. Oh my goodness. And, and they actually diverted a satellite to be over it right at the time Joe said. And for I think about 12 or 15 years that was the only picture. That the U. S. ever had of the Boomer submarine. Oh, wow. On that day. Did they get the day right? Yeah, the day and the moment that it came out of the building and into the water. Wow. Fantastic. What a tremendous asset that was to have that information. Oh, yeah. Crucial. Crucial. Another of the strengths as listed in your book is that it's the viewer has the control of the session. That's right. And this is one of, it's called controlled remote viewing. Okay. Not because the viewer is controlled. It's because the viewer has control of the remote viewing. Okay. And if you follow the Why is that important? It's very important because a natural psychic will just report whatever comes to mind. Okay. And you're at the mercy of your subconscious mind, which is very acutely unorganized. Okay. your subconscious is not logical, it's not organized. Sometimes it'll tell you one thing and sometimes it'll tell you the same thing using an analogy or a memory or a visual or a sound or something like that. The control to remote viewing is not psychic in and of itself. Okay. It is an interview and report process. what Ingo created was actually a way to interview your subconscious mind in an organized manner and find out what it knows. Okay. And so in a remote viewing session, you cue for a sound. You cue for a meaning. You cue for a word. You cue for You queue for certain types of information and you get it. And in fact, in the more advanced stages of CRV, you have columns. And one column will be for descriptors, another one will be for nouns, another one will be for conceptuals, another one will be for what people at the target think, another one will be for, you know, How you would feel if you were at the target and all these different columns and you can tap a column and say What did the people there think about it? You tap another column. What color is it? Tap another column. Oh, what shape is it? And you get that information back From your subconscious in a controlled manner because you're interviewing and reporting. Okay When you say cue, what do you mean by that? When you say you can cue it, what do you mean by that? You're working along and, and you get, let's say the color red. Okay? Okay. The viewer says something about Yeah. There's something red, there's something red at the time, you know, I visually see something red. Okay? Yep. Oh, why is it red? Okay. You go over to the purpose column. You know, the conceptual is the purpose. And you find out why it's red. You go to the shape, the red thing. What shape is it? How big is it? How small is it? And, and so forth. And using these different columns, you can cue your subconscious mind. Okay. To give you specific bits of information. That's why the remote viewing, Is called controlled controlled. Yeah, very, very interesting. I'm going to need to finish up this interview and just a few moments and then we'll, if we can start another one and go further if that's okay. That's good. I, I wanted to, to talk a little bit about one of the strengths of the CRV is that no actual presence at the site is required. can you tell about that, please? Yeah, the theory is that you're building a mini virtual reality in your own mind. And what you're viewing is that virtual reality. Now, there comes a time When you're paying so much attention and you're so engrossed in that mini virtual reality that you can't tell that you're not at the target. You see it, you feel it, you feel the wind on your face, the sun on your face, and all that. You can't tell that you're not there. Wow. However, theoretically you're not there. Now, on out of body experiences, people will see somebody visible. In CRV, that doesn't happen. And this is one of the reasons why CRV was such a great asset for spying. Because you can't get caught. Because you're not there. Yeah, and if somebody sees you there, they're going to go to Plan B. they know they've been spied on. This way we get the information. They never know you were there. They don't go to Plan B. And the information stays good. that's fantastic. let's finish up for today and we'll come back and talk a little bit more. Sounds great. Thank you