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O.J. Simpson Pt. 2 - The Trial and the Aftermath
In part two of our O.J. episode we get to talking about the famous murder trial, what happened with O.J. after that and talk about his final days alive.
We also discuss where we think the trial belongs in the pantheon of "Trials of the 20th Century"
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In part two of our O.J. episode we get to talking about the famous murder trial, what happened with O.J. after that and talk about his final days alive.
We also discuss where we think the trial belongs in the pantheon of "Trials of the 20th Century"
Feel free to check out our website for links to our YouTube channel and more!
https://oftofftopic.com/
Our host Nathan also does art in addition to this podcast, including having is own sticker store. Please check it out and purchase anything that strikes your fancy.
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Part 2 and our conclusion on OJ Simpson. In our first episode we discussed OJ's youth, from a child with the rickets and leg braces to a violent teenage gang leader. From there we talked about his football and acting career, and in this episode we finally get to the murder, trial and beyond. Because of his acting and advertising gigs, oj had more than $10 million in assets and more than $1 million a year coming in from acting and ad revenue Not doing too bad for himself for a guy who you know only made $500,000 back in the day for playing football for a decade.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1:That's pretty good, yeah, especially when you consider a lot of the other football players from that era were, you know, broke dead, homeless yeah some of the football players from like the 70s and 80s did not really have a great time. The old football players from the 70s and 80s did not really have a great time.
Speaker 2:No, they sounds like.
Speaker 1:Yeah, 1994 and Warner Brothers is putting the finishing touches on a pilot for a series called Frogman. It was to be an A-team-like show that starred OJ as the leader of the group. He would play a former Navy SEAL named John Bullfrog Burke who ran his SEAL operations out of a Malibu surf shop Basically steel operations out of a Malibu surf shop Basically an A-team, but with a surfing vibe to it.
Speaker 2:Sounds awful to be honest, but it does sound awful, especially since they only exclusively, with no option to change it. Beach Boys of Ride the Clock they go from one record to the next because it's records, and so they actually pay someone specifically to stand there to guard the record player and switch the records Like please, for the love of God stop playing Beach Boys and the guy just silently, just takes the one record off, takes the other one down and starts playing as an FU thing, he puts on Jan and Dean, which is literally the same kind of music.
Speaker 1:It's all the same, oh God. However, this awful sounding show would not see the light of day, as the same year the murder of Nicole Brown Simpson would happen, and releasing a pilot of a show that had a scene with OJ holding a knife to a woman's throat would be bad optics.
Speaker 2:The studio decided, you think, apparently one of the schticks of that show was At the end of every episode our hosts would come in and Hold the knife to someone's throat.
Speaker 1:Actually, apparently, oj's like big Move in the show was his Stealthful, silent kills by slitting people's throats. So, wow, you're not far off on that, to be perfectly honest. You are not far off at all.
Speaker 2:They used that episode In his trial. Look he practiced.
Speaker 1:Actually they did bring that up in the trial. We'll talk about that in just a second. But yes, 1994 nicole brown's murder would turn into what would be manna from heaven for one jay leno. Remember that 1995 murder trial in the dancing edos oh man, fuck jay leno ha, he milked that trial so hard and it got so tired out, so fast.
Speaker 2:I have feelings about jalen now, I mean because he some of his um, some of the things he did was about the conan stuff the conan stuff was too bad like, and even the monica lewinsky stuff. It's like you know, even I've gone to it. I was, I was there. You know I wasn't there, but you know I was alive at the time you were giving Clinton the thumbs up, being like good job man.
Speaker 2:I look at it now from fresh eyes. It's some poor 20-something year old intern who got stars in her eyes, and the president of the United States the most powerful man in the country basically used her like a trash can. They tossed her aside and she didn't know the game she was playing. Instead of everyone going, look at this guy who took advantage of the young girl. Everyone's like oh you slut, oh yeah love, we love bill clinton they're like.
Speaker 1:How dare you seduce and manipulate the president of the united states?
Speaker 2:you intern I will grant you, like bill clinton did do, like decent, like politically, he he didn't. He was a pure monster. You know, he absolutely helped uh, in a lot of ways, but at the same time he was also a monster. So let's, let's not pretend like he didn't have a secret handshake with epstein, you know so he played the saxophone on mtv.
Speaker 1:How could bad person do that?
Speaker 2:nate, that's where he worked on his fingering, but yes, I got him don't know who you got, but you got them right.
Speaker 1:Them somewhere. Them is sitting at home listening like damn it. They got me. We'd also get countless white bronco jokes because of this, and we'd also be introduced to professional couch surfer Kato Kaelin Remember when he was a thing? Oh, dude, yes.
Speaker 2:And then, like he was like I'm an actor. And then after he got, after this is all said and done, he's like, okay, all right, man, you say you're an actor, get out there and act, let's see what you can do. Oh.
Speaker 1:Oh, have a bit role in the fx show baskets. That show baskets with um uh, not garofalo, which is zach galifianakis. Apparently he was in that. Also kato kalin, we're going to be a friend of norm mcdonald for a little bit too. Good for kato, good for him what he's doing nowadays?
Speaker 2:I don't know I mean he'll never. He will never hit the heights of fame as he did when he was like on in that trial oh well, I don't know about that.
Speaker 1:I mean, one good shooting spree could get him right back up there.
Speaker 2:Fair enough, let's say up until now. Bird of fame.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, well, again All right man, get on your knees. See. How dare you limit poor Kato Kaelin? There's so many things he could do to become big again. None of them are really good, but when was?
Speaker 2:this. I'm just looking at IMDB. He is real busy in the early 90s but he's still working Well. He worked at least 2022. He has two upcoming, of course. One is Judge Gray's Judge Gray's team court. He's a court reporter. And then another one called Pay to Die. He plays a life coach.
Speaker 1:You told Kato, show us what you got. And he showed you what you got, and he's got more acting credits than neither of us.
Speaker 2:So good for you. Kato Way to tell us off Good job making us look dumb, Nate.
Speaker 1:Thank you.
Speaker 2:Nothing will ever beat his height of fame. You're right, I'm eating crow now because Clearly this man is living the top life Because he was in the last Sharknado Colon. It's about time. So forgive me For daring To disparage Mr Kalen, your Sharknado.
Speaker 1:He gotta be in a movie with Lindsay Lohan, or whoever the fuck is in those movies. Who is that? It's not Lindsay Lohan.
Speaker 2:She's one of those chicks who was big in the 90s and then yeah right, like lindsey lohan. Okay, here he is. Uh, tara reed, tara reed. And then there's ian in zearing, who was a 90210 fame.
Speaker 1:Yep, he was the one that went flying through a shark with a chainsaw in the first one.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah that's what it was. And poor tara reed, like she got all this work done, which you know does not make her didn't help, and I remember they were like she was in some what is it like, cat walker, you're going into a premiere and her dress just fell and because she's so like dead in her boobs, she didn't realize it and oh the poor lady, they messed them up. They messed, yeah. I remember that kind of going on. Yeah, that was a bummer. So, yeah, okay, let's, let's go back to OJ we. We somehow landed on Tara reads boobs. Let's get it on track.
Speaker 1:Always go. It always goes back to Tara reads boobs.
Speaker 2:Always Everything. It's like the center everything. The black hole, the middle of the very center of our giant, the very center of our venn diagram of off topic, is terry's breasts. One day, the heat death of the universe comes crashing back down the one thing that will be left. Okay, and meanwhile I'm looking at I have the imdb page for the last shark. Now it's about time up, and the biggest image they have on there is uh, ian's hearing whoever's faces he is using. It looks like a metal pipe to hold off a a robot shark that's flying through the air.
Speaker 2:So my god a robot shark yeah damn, I need to watch these movies let's try a little stupid, I know but that's exactly why I'm gonna watch it, yeah I I also respect a movie that knows it's stupid.
Speaker 1:it's just like we're going all in like cocaine bearers. Just like we know what we are, we're going to have fun with it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, if they're like okay, let me all know what's going on here, then it's fine.
Speaker 1:Trial would also be. We would introduce the world to the Kardashian name, bring them to the forefront of the American lexicon. Yep in yeah, because the kardashian daddy was one of the uh lawyers on his team is remember he had the dream team of lawyers. It's like the best lawyer team you can buy with money yeah, so well, I mean they won.
Speaker 1:I mean it did, because they also had the famous wookiee defense and the delightful rhyme of if the glove does not fit, you must acquit meanwhile it like, I'm like, it looks like it fits.
Speaker 2:I mean, am I crazy?
Speaker 1:it kind of does, because I mean I could take any glove and sort of like puff my hand out and make it look like it's hard to get on.
Speaker 2:And, from what they said, he had arthritis and he didn't take his medicine.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and he was doing stuff like smacking the wall and stuff like that in his cell, I guess, and I'm like dude, just even with all that it looked like.
Speaker 2:if you wanted to, you could squeeze that glove on there, yeah.
Speaker 1:It's like let me spread my hand as far apart as I can when I try to get this glove on Right.
Speaker 2:So I guess the moral of the story is if you're going to murder somebody, leave behind a pair of gloves that are one size too small. That makes you get all blood over there Like a teeny tiny, like a children's gloves.
Speaker 1:Ha right, hey, if that don't fit, you must have quit, as they're just staring at you. Like that worked once, I don't think we're gonna let it work again. Clearly, children did this, so during this trial we got to hear the cops say the n-word a whole lot on uh recordings and stuff like that. That was fun, and this was also a trial that basically got court tv up and going and really gave those 24-hour news networks something to talk about. Finally, yeah, and they still let they, some people still do that.
Speaker 2:Um, there's some, there's some talking heads out there that like there was some kind of trial, like Casey Anthony, for instance. It's just like they would not stop talking, even though there's nothing to talk about, like nothing has changed.
Speaker 1:They start making up stuff and they're like, well, what if? Or?
Speaker 2:we're only asking questions here.
Speaker 1:but what if it was like God, now you're just theorizing and people take that as being the truth and yeah, god, now you're just theorizing and people take that as being the truth. Yeah, sometimes 24-hour news networks can be more of a bad thing than a good thing. I feel like Absolutely.
Speaker 2:To fill up that time. Sometimes you've got to make up stuff for you know exactly, because at some point it's just a bunch of people talking about their opinions. We used to have the same facts. Nothing has changed since two hours ago.
Speaker 1:But, now, they're just kind of like oh, now we've had two hours to theorize and here's what we came up with.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh my, or not even. Two hours, five minutes.
Speaker 1:Yeah right, or nowadays, too, it's even worse, because they're like hey, we just read an unsubstantiated tweet in the last five minutes. Now let's talk about that. Anywho, in the end, OJ was found not guilty by an all-black jury. This will come in important a little bit later, right you?
Speaker 2:better preface them like I said that for a reason.
Speaker 1:Yeah right, that's pertinent okay, I didn't say that like, like, that's how that has to do with the story. Those, those types always stick together.
Speaker 2:What they expect. That is not a statement of off-topic. Yes, yes, no that is not.
Speaker 1:He was playing a character. Oh dear God.
Speaker 2:Stuffed over fruit.
Speaker 1:So unsatisfied with this result of the trial. Oj would actually get sued for not killing Nicole Brown, but for being liable for the wrongful death of Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman. This thing he got ordered, uh, this thing he was found guilty on. This actual trial was not televised either, so we don't know a whole lot about it. And also it does seem kind of weird that you know it's like hey, you didn't murder him, but we're going to fine you for it anyways.
Speaker 2:I mean, it's like okay, look, I get it. You know, dude, absolutely did it, A hundred percent, there's no question.
Speaker 1:Like he killed the shit out of those people. Weird that he's not going to prison for doing that. He was to pay 33 million dollars to the brown and goldman families, though, as net worth at time was about 11 million. So to pay for that, oj had a fire sale, selling his properties, his hymens, heisman trophies, all his other memorabilia and this and that, apparently, oj didn't pay much of this back, because in june 2022, fred goldman filed court papers saying that, with compound interest and all that, oj now owes them $96 million. That's a hell of a lot of interest. To go from $33 million to $96 million, I think that says 30 years of interest. But apparently, too, the reason that Fred Goldman filed that paperwork was just to keep everything going in the court system, because otherwise stuff lapses. Then you can't open up cases, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:I get it.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, turns out that even after all that, oj still couldn't keep out of trouble because in 2001, he was charged with battery of another motorist in Florida. He got off on that. Apparently it was like a traffic incident and they started yelling at each other. Like OJ knocked the glasses off of somebody. In theory he could have actually gone to a prison for a good long while because he was like because of the previous stuff, but he got off. Got to walk scot-free on that as well.
Speaker 2:Because of his troubles.
Speaker 1:Yes, also in 2001, the FBI raided OJ's house on suspicion of ecstasy trafficking and money laundering. The FBI did not find any evidence of those crimes, but they did find a satellite descrambler and charged OJ with stealing satellite signals. Yes, that would actually lead to 2004, when DirecTV takes OJ to court over him pirating their broadcast. Yes, ed, I'd be so mad, I'd be like look guys, come on Like you raided my house.
Speaker 2:That's bad enough, but then you're going to rat me out to the fucking cable company. I mean, come on, man, Like never mind. I was a football star, you should have seen my killing skills.
Speaker 1:Ha, Didn't you see me in Naked Gun Right? Didn't you laugh? Didn't I make you laugh with those rolls? Oh yeah, Also in 2002, OJ got arrested for water speeding through a manatee protection zone and was fined for that.
Speaker 2:Oh, what a dick.
Speaker 1:Yeah, apparently down in Florida you can't speed on jet skis through manatee zones and stuff like that. He did it Because manatees they're like innocent.
Speaker 2:You know they're all these yeah they're nature's buoys.
Speaker 1:They just float there and look cute.
Speaker 2:Apparently they have like no natural predators, so a lot of them won't even attempt to defend themselves. It's like they'll actually go and give you a hug as your home pass. So it's like, yeah, maybe don't mess with those guys, you know.
Speaker 1:It's kind of like those kawakas and stuff like that, where it's those animals that have never seen humans and now they just walk up to people and then, like a couple years later, you see notifications like stop kicking these things that walk up to you people. Yeah, or else. Or else 2006, and Reagan Books announces it's releasing OJ's written book If I Did it Confessions of the Killer to a huge public outcry. In fact, people were really pissed about this to the point that the publisher decided to scrap the book. There was online petitions, the Goldman's filed all sorts of stuff being like you can't release this. How dare you? This is offensive to everybody, to everybody.
Speaker 1:However, even though the publisher said they weren't going to release the book, somehow quote-unquote, somehow 400,000 copies of the book were released, leaked, online, in 2007. So if you want a copy of OJ's book I did it, if I did it you can find it online. If I did it, if I did it quote-unquote, if I did it, yeah, a lot of people in interviews are like hey, oj, what about this line where you say there was more blood than I've ever seen in my life? What about that line he's like well, I was just saying in theory, I'm sure there would have been a lot of blood.
Speaker 2:I mean yeah. Why is this one paragraph where you're like you rubbed it all over your body like lotion, like ha?
Speaker 1:Oh pass that. We go 2007,. And this comes the famed Las Vegas robbery, where OJ and a group of men arranged to purchase some OJ memorabilia at a Las Vegas hotel room. When the meeting happened, oj pulled out a gun and said that stuff rightfully belongs to me and nobody leaves this room until I get my stuff back.
Speaker 1:And, as you can guess, this is considered stuff like kidnapping and coercion with a weapon and etc. Etc. Etc. This is not something you should do and this could have potentially given OJ life in prison for the charges. But he actually got off quote-unquote easy and only got 33 years for all this. But he was also out on parole in nine, which was kind of what everybody expected. They're like well, you'll get sentenced for this, but you'll get out for good behavior in nine years. And this crime was kind of interesting and kind of dumb because he did the crime in las vegas and, as everybody will tell you, every square inch of vegas is under camera surveillance, like there's no place in vegas you can go in a casino that doesn't have cameras everywhere and there are people that I remember actually dr drew was one of the people that theorizes that this crime was so brazenly obvious that, uh, people are thinking that maybe the oj was having guilt feelings and wanted to go to jail for you know the murder and thought this would make up for it, kind of thing.
Speaker 2:But that's also assuming OJ has good feelings about it or he like just thought he'd get away with it. Yeah.
Speaker 1:And also the thing too is they're talking about how OJ was claiming that all this paraphernalia was his or this memorabilia was his and this dude stole it. But OJ never gave a reason on how this dude stole it or why this dude had all this paraphernalia or memorabilia. I guess, basically, oj just saw this dude was selling a bunch of memorabilia and just decided it was his and somehow that dude wasn't supposed to have it. So he just decided I'm gonna go get it back. So he got some guys and some guns and they went and got it back and then promptly got yeah, because no shit it should also be noted that this OJ being sentenced to 33 years for the crime was an all-white jury this time that convicted him for that.
Speaker 1:Well, there you go. That's why I brought the old black jury getting him off. The all-white jury convicted him to 33 years for theft, and here's the thing about, like I don't know.
Speaker 2:One thing I was talking about earlier, because we've been talking about this trial Did you, when the the announcement happened, were you paying attention at all? I mean, what I'm talking about like in your school, because it happened while I was in school oh wait, are you talking about the murder?
Speaker 1:yes, the trial, okay, I thought you were talking about, like, the memorabilia fucking.
Speaker 2:No, no, I was like I was going back to the whole reason why, like you know, the all this happened. So I was thinking about back, like you know, because we're talking about the trials, and when I remember I remember I was in school when it happened my teacher actually I was in typing class and, um, she actually turned the radio on so we listened to the like the verdict when it happened. And so we listened to the verdict and I remember there was that racial split but at the same time, like in the 90s you know, I don't necessarily agree with who they all decide to cheer because you know, dude, fucking did it, but like there were a lot of like just tossing people in jail for that. So I think it was kind of they're like, yeah, we get one, like ah, but could you pick somebody who was, I don't know, innocent.
Speaker 2:So yeah, I get what you're saying, though I mean like I get it. I totally get it. I understand where you guys come from. 100% Like yo yo, power of the people, all that good stuff, but come on, like he 100% did it, so I don't know. Yeah, stinky subjects.
Speaker 1:Mainly I remember I don't remember a whole lot happening in school. Then one kid after the announcement came in, he was really pissed off and like ran around punching the walls of the classroom screaming about.
Speaker 2:And stuff like that too.
Speaker 1:This is also one of those students, I think he was just mad about other stuff and wanted an excuse to run around screaming yeah.
Speaker 2:But also like again I mean, we say all this stuff, oh, you know, la, la, la, la, you know whatever, who fucking cares man, it didn't affect your life at all, it didn't affect my life. Well, I left that class going. Oh, he got off. I walked out of that class and then kept on doing my own thing.
Speaker 2:That had absolutely nothing to do with OJ Simpson, you know. It's just. My life has been affected 0% by the. You know like him getting off the first time, then him going to jail for like other things other times, and even him dying recently, like does not affect my life whatsoever Outside of it's a perfect source for a subject to talk about on Off.
Speaker 1:Top Topic. Yes, there you go. I was about to say I mean, obviously it affected your life a little bit, because we are talking about it right now. Touche, yes, ha ha. Also in 2018, haha, also in 2018, oj was seen on camera stating being a felon. Ain't all bad. Apparently he liked the attention that he was getting from all this uh stuff over the years. I should have killed that bitch earlier. How, if I knew the murder in life would be so great, I would have done a ton a long time ago I mean based on what I heard about relationship, it looks like he tried a few times.
Speaker 1:He was a little handsy, 2019, and while on David Spade's Comedy Central talk show, norm MacDonald had his final thoughts on OJ Simpson. His final words were MacDonald said he was found not guilty by a jury of his peers and he noted that Simpson was the greatest rusher in the history of the NFL. And then Norm MacDonald paused and said Maybe I was the greatest rusher in the history of the NFL. And then, uh, norm Macdonald paused and said maybe I was the greatest rusher to judgment. Some people are saying that Norm Macdonald now admits that he thinks OJ Simpson was innocent. Other people say it was a joke. I hope it's a joke. Yeah, yeah, who knows? Uh, apparently that statement, though enough was enough.
Speaker 2:By Norm Macdonald, that OG and said hey, we should go golfing buddy, Bury the hatchet and we Ha Just the stupidity of it all, like the stupidity on OJ or Norm MacDonald's part. Oj. Like oh no, it's all fine now, but, dude, it doesn't work that way. What are you?
Speaker 1:talking about. I mean, it would have been good for publicity to see OJ and Norm MacDonald golfing together. I think that's more of what OJ was looking for. I guess Boo OJ, ha Boo OJ and boo Norm MacDonald for even insinuating the fact he might be innocent. Actually, I guess there have been some actual documentaries that apparently actually bring up some pretty good points that OJ might not have actually done it.
Speaker 2:I sus.
Speaker 1:Ha, it's just like some BBC. There's actually a pretty good theory out there that it was actually OJ's son that did it. I guess.
Speaker 2:I mean, you know what? I'm not going to sit here and say, oh, there's 0% chance, but let's just say it's one of those scientific things where it's like, okay, there might be a bunch of different things that could have happened, but a lot of times it's the one that makes the most sense, you know? So we aha.
Speaker 1:I have moved the needle on you, nathan. You went from hey, there's no way he didn't do to like, eh, maybe there's a slight chance. Well, I'm just acknowledging.
Speaker 2:Soon I will have you saying he was innocent. I'm just acknowledging because I wasn't there watching him while he did it. I will at least acknowledge. Sure, why not? Let's go ahead and give him like a couple of percentage points against the hundred percent he did it. Let's go ahead and talk. Let's toss him a few crumbs on the side.
Speaker 1:But I still can rest comfortably thinking that motherfucker stabbed her to death I like the way you phrase it, like I didn't see him do it, but obviously other people were there and saw it like it was a big public display the crowd of people who watched him do it yeah, they were cheering him on there's chanting slash, slash, slash.
Speaker 2:Oddly enough, slash the guitarist was there to play well, who knows, maybe in the future they have like, um, they could do past cameras and so they could watch things that happened in the past and real like in not real time, obviously, but like you can actually watch it happen. So there's, who knows, maybe by a thousand years from future they were like, oh look at this guy he murders. Well, why would they might know who oj simpson's a thousand years in the future, but there, was youtube videos.
Speaker 1:Youtube videos actually there was a book about that too where it's like way in the future they invent uh cameras they can send through wormholes and watch any uh part of history that they wanted to at any time. Which raised the moral question is like if you knew in the future people could watch everything you're doing, would you change the way you're doing things? I don't know. I'd probably put more panache into my masturbating, I guess. But other than that no. Honestly, for the most part it's like like what was he looking at?
Speaker 2:oh my god, yeah, I'd just be doing randomly the finger guns up at the sky. Yeah, why is he always? Why is he always pointing the sky with finger guns?
Speaker 1:go, yeah, we can add up every time you saw uh, so may 2023, and oj puts out a report that he has cancer, but he's going to fight this cancer and win. February 11th, oj posts an Instagram video saying he's dealing with some issues, but he's still doing fighting the cancer and he's going to win that fight against cancer. April 10th, 2024, and Cancer puts out a press release saying the war is over. Cancer has won.
Speaker 2:The Cancer. I thought you were going in a different direction. I thought you were saying Cancer put out a the press release saying I found the real killer cancer put out of the press release saying I got the real killer.
Speaker 1:Finally you're, you're welcome. Public, of course, had mixed feelings about this. Lots of most of the tweets are along the lines of wonderful athlete crap, human being, right? Yep, supposedly sources say that on his deathbed he made everybody sign uh DAs before he died. However, the thing outside of TMZ claiming that quote unquote sources claim nobody has said anything about this outside of TMZ saying, quote unquote sources claim they didn't even give a name for it. So whether or not he actually made people sign NDAs is still kind of up in the air. And how is that enforceable? Yeah, and also, too, ndas don't cover things that are illegal either, right I?
Speaker 2:mean there's that and yeah, I mean, yeah, this is dumb, yeah, I mean yeah.
Speaker 1:So I don't know. People are automatically like, of course you did that he's an egotist, but I don't know, same time, like they'll actually hear more than just sources say was he still an egotist at the end.
Speaker 2:I mean, I know like I don't know, you said he was, didn't you? Well, no, of course, when he was younger, 100, like when he was, like when he's uh, I'm trying to think of an analogy no, 2018, he said, being a felon ain't all bad um, yeah, but uh okay, so in the last like six months you're wondering if he's an egotist.
Speaker 2:Well yeah, well, just yeah, exactly, or he's like he's bet a thousand. Of course anybody can be not eating tits anymore and still be talking about yeah, I'm the greatest, even though everything sucks. Back when he was younger, I guess all the way up to the point where he started, it was mid-stab, he was basically batting a thousand. Then, once that happened, dudes walk around dropping gloves like he doesn't care anymore and then driving slowly down the freeway and just kind of deteriorate from there. I mean he, he.
Speaker 1:I mean he was in and out of jail all the time, as a kid too, so it's not like he was batting a thousand good way well, I'm told once he got out, because then he has the whole thing like I started from the bottom and now here I am.
Speaker 2:Everyone worships my, worships the, the breath I have. Look, I've got Waddy on my side. What can go?
Speaker 1:wrong Nicole Brown charging him with abusive relationship stuff. Apparently he was arrested a few times in the 80s for spousal abuse and stuff. Yeah, yeah, because he was horrible. Let's see. I'm trying to see if OJ is like repentant and is talking about how he's the most humble person in the world.
Speaker 2:Although he was pretty good Going back to, he was really good on a naked gun. I liked him.
Speaker 1:He was. He was pretty good.
Speaker 2:It was. I remember he was like laying in the hospital bed and that's the lesson he was over. He was like I love you. He's like what? Oh, no, it's like, it's like it. The boat he got shot on was named I Love you.
Speaker 1:That's when Ray died in the water and they had, like, the chalk outline on top of the water just floating there, and then what else?
Speaker 2:He goes like Harrow and he's like no, not now, I'll get to him later. Oh God, I love that. I love Naked Gun.
Speaker 1:Yep, in fact, also to close out this episode, we will leave you with David Zucker's tweet about the death of OJ Simpson, david Zucker being the director of the Naked Gun movies. He tweeted Good riddance, oj Simpson. His acting was a lot like his murdering. He got away with it, but no one believed him.
Speaker 2:That is actually probably the best thing I've heard.
Speaker 1:That is.
Speaker 2:That is a good line right there that is a really good line, especially coming from who wrote it and about who? Yep, that was. Yeah, his acting was a lot like his murdering.
Speaker 1:He got away with it, but no one believed him. Yep, that is absolutely Bravo to you, david Zucker. That is a perfect tweet, I think.
Speaker 2:Yes, bravo, that was awesome. I don't think I can top that.
Speaker 1:Nope, I don't think I can top that. Nope, I don't think anybody could ever top that one.
Speaker 2:Honestly, he probably wrote up that tweet like years ago he would, he would. I bet he was. He wakes up every morning.
Speaker 1:He like checks the internet to see if OJ's day is like damn. Can't use that line now.
Speaker 2:He woke up like Christmas morning. They're like he's dead, like, oh, thank God, god, I can finally get this thing out. Yep, he's like goes. He had the whole time he had this wallet. He pulls it out of his wallet. He wants to make sure he types it just right. It's all crumbled like ancient manuscript here we go.
Speaker 1:It's like an old dot matrix printer sheet written this whole thing hold up.
Speaker 2:25 years I've been sitting on this line this is on my wallet, going from wallet to wallet transferring each time we laugh.
Speaker 1:but if I had a line that was that good, I would sit on that line for 20 years and wait every day to use it as well. Oh, absolutely.
Speaker 2:I would totally do that too. There's no way I wouldn't.
Speaker 1:Yep. So there you go, OJ Simpson's life In a nutshell.
Speaker 2:So did you learn anything, nate? Uh, I mean honestly not really, but there was some things. But like, by and large, I kind of knew most of what you know, because you learned that Norm Macdonald might be better forgiving than you.
Speaker 1:Very true?
Speaker 2:uh no, just because you know, you and me, just because of the ages we are, you know, it's just this. We lived it. You know we um back in the 1990, whatever, what was it 1991?
Speaker 1:94, 95 was in the trial. Was 94 was in. The murder happened okay, so five.
Speaker 2:so I was remember five. I knew one, six because six one graduated and I remember I was like in I did go to school in 96 but I knew it wasn't that. So, yeah, so 95, you know that we really did. I mean, we saw it was the first time I really like watched a, as they say, high-speed chase, but like a real police chase. Well, even that's our real police chase. We saw the show. There you go, let's put that. We saw the show. We saw the show while it was happening, we were paying attention. It was the first time I actually paid attention to like a criminal trial, and while it was happening we were paying attention. This was the first time I actually paid attention to a criminal trial and I don't know why I care.
Speaker 1:I care because everyone else did. I was kind of stuck with it because every time I'd come home from school it was on the TV the court TV showing of that trial, and it was just on TV constantly. I'd play video games or watch that.
Speaker 2:It was the first real televised trial, and so now it's just like you know, you just go on YouTube or wherever find trials, you know.
Speaker 1:Was it the trial of the century? Does it beat out the Lindbergh babies or the? Was it the Manzetti guys? Yep, I think it does.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I do Now.
Speaker 1:I'm purely. I would say the average person cared more about oj's case than yes. That's why I think the watergate.
Speaker 2:I think the watergate was more important, like for politics and like world news like your average schlub.
Speaker 2:They're just like bah, that's 100 like if you're gonna be a look, if you in the future, when you pull out the history books they talk about you know what, like the trials of the you know 20th century, you know the watergate will absolutely be a part of that, no question, and I think it would even like on a one to ten it'd be higher than the trial, but oj trial will absolutely be on there. And if they're talking about in terms of like pop culture, um, like the zeitgeist of america in that respect I think oj simpson is it easily beats, you know watergate because it just you couldn't go anywhere without someone talking about it.
Speaker 1:Rodney king might actually be a competitor of that one, maybe here's my thing about.
Speaker 2:Here's the thing, the rodney king thing. While it absolutely important, it was the verdict in the aftermath of the cops that did it that is true.
Speaker 2:The actual trial itself was yes like the, the riots, the riots that happened afterward dwarf the actual, like you know, original crime and the trial and even the acquittal. You know, those are all. Those are like those are the archduke Ferdinands of World War. I you know, but it was, you know, oj, you saw it from like, you knew who he was. Like no one knew who Rodney King was before it happened. So you, you, he was a popular person who was big in NFL, he was a movie star, you know, he was beloved by all these people. And then his fall and he became, you know, while no one was there to watch the murder, except for maybe future people looking back in time through little lenses. Like the trial was televised, we saw it happen, we watched the prosecution just whiff it. I mean, oh my, just like I get. I understand oj had really good lawyers, but we all have also to recognize, like the prosecution totally dropped the ball.
Speaker 1:Oh, they 100 did. They thought they had like a slam dunk kind of thing and they totally effed off and the police too, the police botched a lot of stuff on that.
Speaker 2:I mean we really didn't go because of the.
Speaker 1:You know we're not um well, yeah, and we're not lawyers. Yeah, there are so many things out there dealing with that trial. I just didn't really want to go that I think you made the right call.
Speaker 2:You made the call, yeah, because we would have been here for a while just to get honest, god, it's actually pretty hard to find non-trial stuff on oj nowadays.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it really is like his football career before.
Speaker 2:That was kind of I. I really do applaud the way you approached this. It's like I think you yeah, you you made the right call, you made the right edits, because we would have been stuck here for the entire time.
Speaker 1:Yeah and also we're not lawyers.
Speaker 2:So half the said yeah, stuff we said probably would have been wrong, right, right but like I remember hearing this at one point, so yeah, but I do think all that I've been talking a lot just to say I do think this trial was culturally more significant than anything else that happened in the 20th century. I'm not going to start touching like 21st or whatever, but for 20th century I think it is. Impeachment was a pretty big one too, a bill clinton yeah, I'll give you that I'll give you that, because that was also one of those around the clock.
Speaker 2:I'll give you that one I'll give you that one, I because I actually forgot about that, but no, so did I would say that takes, I would take. I would definitely say that takes over. So, oj, be nice, a number two. How about that? Yeah, okay, or?
Speaker 1:we could do a 1a, 1a, 1b even possibly. Yeah, I mean because the one for a public and one for a political trial.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because the political well, it was also public, I mean everyone. It was. Because it was sexy, like oh, you know, you have president getting blowjob, that's just, you know, that has that ticks all.
Speaker 1:We haven't had a sexually active president since kennedy, right, right, I mean honestly, that was part of it, I think.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So yeah, I definitely think that trial because it was again it was a lot more important and culturally significant. But OJ trial is definitely. If not, yeah, let's go that 1A, 1b. Let's say OJ trial is 1B.
Speaker 1:I googled most famous, just see, and it's got the ones we mentioned, but also at the bottom the trial trial of socrates, the martin luther trial and the uh, oh yeah and the trial of galileo.
Speaker 2:I'm pretty sure those did not happen in the 20th century yeah, I'm fairly sure I don't think martin luther was alive back and don't you remember when martin luther was like in the courtroom while oj simpson it was, yeah, the trial between martin luther and martin luther king jr to see who got the rights to the name.
Speaker 1:Yo, the trial of the century, maybe co-trial of the century? Oj simpson, I guess that's what. Are you looking up the child?
Speaker 2:oh, I just luther well. Well, no, it's like trial um trial of the century and it gave me 20th century and it had a bunch on here, but it's not listed in any kind of order. Yeah it just, I think it's my.
Speaker 1:Uh, oh, it's, it is order, but it's by year so yeah, and also I find it funny when they call, when they dub something in like 1920 the trial of the century. It's like you guys kind of hopped on that bus early on yeah, I mean.
Speaker 2:I mean, who forgot sam shepard trials from 1954 to 1966?
Speaker 1:I don't know who that is.
Speaker 2:Sam.
Speaker 1:Shepard, I think of the singer.
Speaker 2:to be honest, I went to this Ted Bundy trial. I mean again, that was big too.
Speaker 1:But yeah, that wasn't on TV all the time and stuff like that.
Speaker 2:It wasn't on TV, it was just one of those things.
Speaker 1:you woke up and you saw in the newspaper like this trial's still going on. Eh, chicago 7, that was kind of famous, the Nuremberg Trials.
Speaker 2:Eh.
Speaker 1:Again, though that wasn't really televised.
Speaker 2:Yeah, much more culturally significant. But it was not like Going back to people were in their homes watching this trial.
Speaker 1:Jay Leno was not doing jokes about the dancing Eidos at the Nuremberg Trials. Right the dancing Eidos.
Speaker 2:That was so stupid.
Speaker 1:Could you imagine Him doing like the dancing gerbils or something like that In the Nuremberg trials? People would be, like.
Speaker 2:That's inappropriate. They are responsible For killing millions of people, but like but look, he's dancing.
Speaker 1:But look, it's a dancing gerbils. He's putting injections Into these people.
Speaker 2:We don't know what it is.
Speaker 1:It could be happiness. It's not, but it could be happiness. It's not, but it could be. Yeah, it could be, but more likely it's probably polio. All right, so are you good with this episode, nate?
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's a good place to stop.