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Richman Brothers Company: The company where you're "Family"
In this episode we talk about the Richman Brothers suit company, one of the pioneers of suit sales in the early 1900s.
then after that we tgo way off topic and talk about some nerd stuff with spoilers. X-Men 97, Batman, Superman, Star Wars, and Star Trek all discussed.
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In this episode we talk about the Richman Brothers suit company, one of the pioneers of suit sales in the early 1900s.
then after that we tgo way off topic and talk about some nerd stuff with spoilers. X-Men 97, Batman, Superman, Star Wars, and Star Trek all discussed.
Feel free to check out our website for links to our YouTube channel and more!
https://oftofftopic.com/
Our host Nathan also does art in addition to this podcast, including having is own sticker store. Please check it out and purchase anything that strikes your fancy.
https://www.etsy.com/shop/stickersbytownsend
If you enjoyed this episode, please subscribe, rate, and review us on your favorite podcast platform. Even if you didn't like the show, please do it, we appreciate it. You can also email us at OftOffTopic@gmail.com and let us know what you like or don't like, maybe we will even read your email on our show!
Thanks for listening and stay tuned for more Oft Off Topic!
The Richmond Brothers Suit Company. As you listeners probably don't know, I have a thing for collecting and wearing vintage suits. I bought me a nice three-piece wool suit by the Richmond Brothers Company and it came from probably the late 70s or early 60s, judging by the tags, and I'm a curious sort. So I decided, hey, maybe this company has some history and I'll look it up. And sure enough it does. In fact, a few of the suits I have have some interesting companies behind them. Maybe we'll go over them later, but for this one it's going to be the Richmond Brothers. This episode will be about the march of capitalism and working for the man and Nate. This episode might make you kind of mad.
Nate:Why is it going to be mad?
Shaun:Oh you know, just business stuff, Employment stuff.
Nate:No, I mean, I'm down for business talk. There was a time I was listening to the podcast. What is it Wars. Something wars Business wars yes. And man, that was fascinating. You know like, uh, particularly the Sony Nintendo stuff, um, even the um Napster, like I was almost forgot that even exist they're still making.
Shaun:Uh, those podcasts too. Actually, they just don't release them super regularly. It's like every couple of months they'll come out with a new series, because there's a lot of production quality in that thing, because it's basically set up like a stage play pause, hello what do you need?
Nate:well, you walked in here. What do you need? You need tape. Uh, I don't know. You all y'all stole all my tape anyway, go see dad.
Shaun:He's an endless supply of tape.
Nate:He always has tape well, I collected all the tape when my office is actually like put together, right now it's a mess, I don't know. Right now it's the equivalent of shoving it in the closet and closing the door just so at least I can use my stuff. But yeah, I got all the spare tape in the house and put it all in one area. I'm like, okay, this is where it all is, and then steadily vanished.
Shaun:And yet nobody resupplies the stock.
Nate:Well no, and they use it for dumb shit. I and yet nobody resupplies the stock Well no, and they use it for dumb shit. Like I walked in one day and they like taped a chair to another chair, like why are you taping?
Shaun:a chair to another chair. I mean, that's how you craft stuff in a lot of video games.
Nate:So I mean I kind of see the logic.
Shaun:Sure, fair enough, yeah, if you tape two chairs together, you get a car sometimes. So, eh, Two chairs and a pencil and you have a rocket ship to go to the next level, Damn straight. So video game logic. That's why they taped two chairs together. Maybe it'd make a couch. Alright, let's get into it then.
Shaun:Richmond Brothers was originally named the Lehman Richmond Company and was founded by Jewish Bavarian immigrants, Henry Richmond Sr and his brother-in-law and business partner, Joseph Lehman, in Portsmouth, Ohio in 1853. Joseph Lehman in Portsmouth, Ohio in 1853. In 1879, business was picking up and they decided things would get even better, though, if they moved to a larger city with a larger population and more people to employ and also, you know, more people to buy their stuff. This plan turned out to be good, as business boomed while they were in Cleveland. 1904 comes along, and both Henry Richmond Sr and Joseph Lehman have retired and transferred ownership of the company to Henry Sr's three sons, Nathan Charles and Henry Jr. The business is renamed Richmond Brothers because it's three brothers Clever Nathan, right. Nathan Charles and Henry opened retail outlets selling factory-produced men's clothing directly to customers, the first clothier to do so in America. All suits were priced at $10 until 1939, when men's furnishings and hats were added to the line.
Shaun:We go back to 1917, and after approximately 40 years of building the brand in Cleveland, the Richmond brothers commissioned their first Cleveland factory to be built at 1600 East 55th Street. Before this, they had just moved around to various existing buildings and retrofitted them to what they need to clothing shops and whatnot, but this was going to be their giant flagship factory and everything the owners ever wanted, and it will last forever. Yeah, it is actually still standing to this day. To be honest, there you go. Yeah, I'll send you some pictures later. It's actually a really cool looking building. In fact, it's a cool enough building that the factory quickly became a landmark on East 55th Street and as a result of its domineering size both inside and out. It had 15 foot high-high ceilings, large-scale windows and even the world's largest cutting table at the time, measuring 60 feet long. The structure provided Richmond Brothers employees with working conditions that were unheard of in the garment industry at the time. It was literally a state-of-the-art, suit-making factory for the era.
Nate:I'm always impressed by like the largest, whatever I mean, particularly if it's man-made. If it's a large mountain, okay, fair, that's nature. But like, oh, the largest. You know cutting board Like, oh, that's cool, I guess, until someone makes a bigger one.
Shaun:Right, Actually. Hey, we made a cutting board the size of a tarmac.
Nate:That's just a log laying there. The reason why I laugh too is because you know actually, look, and they went and saw it. I'm like uh, that's what? Like that is four feet tall.
Nate:I mean, it's actually for a garden gnome it's impressive size, but also for anything else it's not. It's just it's a statue that's in the shape of a garden gnome, like I'm glad you guys, you know, had something to bring some tourists to ames, iowa, because there's I don't based on what I saw when I was there, like I was looking up trying to find out things for them to do, there's jack shit to do in Arizona Come see the world's largest miniature dog.
Nate:Yeah, I mean basically it's a college town. You'd think there'd be more to do in a college town, but I'm guessing, it probably has positive.
Shaun:The Cleveland Chamber of Commerce even designated it the best-built factory in Cleveland in 1917, and it cost the company $300,000 at the time, which translates to $7.3 million. 1918 rolls around and the United States is in World War I and, as you can guess, we got a lot of injured soldiers coming back this way from Europe. The government approaches Richmond Brothers and say, hey, you know all these injured people coming back. We could really use a place to store them, you know, like a hospital or the such. Any chance you could help us out. Richmond Brothers agreed to let the government use their structure as needed and also didn't even charge the government. They said you can use, we're in for this whole war effort, you can use the building for whatever you want and we won't even charge you. And they were actually the first building in the country to let the government use their facilities for free. That's kind of neat. Yeah, sure, why not? I mean.
Shaun:I'm not sure exactly what happened to their business in the meantime, if they just like shuffled everybody off to a different side or something like that. Yeah, I'm not.
Nate:Details are kind of sketch, quote unquote pure. You know it was like it just like oh yeah, for the boys, now yeah, I want to get into it, but now it's a little more muddled for the boys with an asterisk afterword, after oh yeah, absolutely yeah.
Shaun:For the boys.
Nate:That's the. You know. I said pure. But also the moment you said that I'm like, oh wait, time out. Yeah, there is a. There's a pretty giant asterisk behind. That is never mind, I retract my statement Once again. Off-topic. Standard Nathan retracts his statement. Nathan says something and then I immediately retracts it.
Shaun:One of these days we'll just have an episode. That's nothing but your retractions, one after another.
Nate:It'll go on for an hour and a half. Well, the best thing is they'll be retractions of things. I just said Ha Ha, attractions of things.
Shaun:I just said 1924 and 1927. Additions were added to the factory, bringing it to 650,000 square feet of interior space, or 17 acres under one roof. That is actually quite a bit bigger than Scrooge's money bin, which was three acres. Check out the Life and Times episode of Scrooge McDuck for that. Yeah, of course it wasn't full of money so, but still, 17 acres, that's a pretty big building. Yeah, lions, of course it wasn't full of money so, but still 17 acres, that's a pretty big building. That's hella big. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Shaun:By 1928, the company had 31 menswear stores in 30 cities. They also sold their suits and tuxedos by mail. Salesmen sold door-to-door and sometimes they would travel around in a touring Richmond Brothers company truck. The trucks had painted on the side the company's no middleman profits slogan and this was actually kind of cool because they're little like mobile. Trucks were actually mobile showrooms, like they had the windows on the sides and lighting so you could actually like they'd pull up outside your house and go in there and look around at like a little showroom of suits, you know, back a little box truck kind of thing, but cool little setup so you could actually, you know, feel the fabrics and stuff.
Nate:What a hellish life to be a door-to-door salesman. I mean, can you imagine just? You have to be numb to rejection because you're walking up these people, you're bothering them during the day. Or knock on the door, hey, we'll buy a suit. No, okay, cool, or slam or get off my lawn or whatever.
Shaun:I mean it's made up by all the lonely home housewives. You get a plow during the day, though yeah yeah, it's feast or famine well it's.
Nate:But also you think about nowadays it's kind of like gone the way of the dodo.
Shaun:You know you don't really get like around here, if you show up to somebody's front door unsolicited, you might get shot. So yeah, that's literally the truth of it that's not.
Nate:That's the quiet around here, you know. But still, like every so often, I'll get a door to the salesman, but they're selling like, oh, we're doing, we're selling um vacuum cleaners or well, no, not vacuum like a fucking uh home security or oh gosh gutters, or something like that yeah, this one guy came by.
Nate:he's like basically trying to pitch, like a groupon thing, and he's like, oh, your neighbor's over there, you know sally, so and so from over there I'm like I just go, dude, I don't know any of my neighbors. I have no intention of getting to know my neighbors. They mean nothing to me, so you bring up other people in my neighborhood that also did this.
Shaun:If anything that does the exact opposite of what you think it's going to do, Don't you want to hang out with your neighbors? Absolutely not Slam.
Nate:And one thing I always do because this is back when I was actually working from home I would just go'll go. Sorry, I don't, I don't make any decisions. Uh, I have to run that by my wife and I'm doing she's not gonna, she doesn't go for that, and they're like oh okay, yeah, I just always just kind of leaned on that because when I, when I used to go, I'm making the decision not to do this, then they're like push harder and harder, that I'll try and change my mind. But if I make someone else like you could push all you want on me, it doesn't matter, because there's someone else who's gonna stop anything I say if they don't like it.
Shaun:It's the wife saying she's not in town right now.
Nate:100 percent, yeah, 100 and I'm like, because I make, I'm making the choice. No, I don't want to do that. But I also don't want to stand there for 10 minutes trying to convince them no. And I also don't want to be super rude on the door of their face because I don't be a dick sometimes. You, you have to be, but I'm trying to be. I'm trying to be three weeks later.
Shaun:All of a sudden you'd be eating dinner and be like I feel bad for slamming the door in that man's face Just randomly out of nowhere. Be like oh son of a bitch. But I agree that's actually a good way to deal with door door salesman. Just be like Nope. Nope, I'm like yeah, they're in the hospital right now and the kids are looking after her. It's not looking great, but you know, thanks for bringing up this painful memory and then just start crying.
Nate:Well, that has happened. Where it's finally just like it's no man, we're not doing it, Just go away.
Shaun:Please, for the love of God.
Nate:Yeah, I'm really trying to be nice here. I feel bad that you're out here in the 90 degree heat going door to door knocking on. Yeah, it really sucks.
Shaun:I'm sorry for you, but fuck off. So At this point. The Richmond Brothers Company was the shining star of Cleveland and was their largest employer of people. The Richmond Brothers Company garment company manufacturing process included departments for designing, shrinking, cutting, sewing, pressing, examining and shipping suits. Motor-driven machines were used to fabricate all garments, with each employee performing a single operation before passing the garment to another worker. A single pair of trousers passed through 49 pairs of hands, a vest 46, and a coat went through 159 pairs of hands. That's quite the assembly line right there. That is damn right. Yeah right, I honestly would have assumed it was like one person working on one garment of clothing. But whatever, when assembly was complete and the experienced tailor subjected each garment to a final inspection, only then was the garment shipped to a retail store or directed to a mail order customer. Because of this process, richmond Brothers became known as the company of quote unquote 700 Fussy Tailors. I kind of like that saying for some reason 700 Fussy Trailors.
Shaun:Tailors. I kind of like that saying for some reason 700 fussy trailers, tailors, tailors right, made by a tailor.
Nate:Yeah, fussy trailers, a bunch of trailers sitting around trying to knit with their fucking wheels.
Shaun:Anyway, 1930, the Richmond brothers had a thousand salesmen selling directly to customers across the country. But 1942 rolls around and they had to close down their mail order division because World War II shows up and fabric and patterns were limited. In early 1943, the company reported to its shareholders that 50% of its productions had been devoted to military garments and not suits. By 1948, there were 2,500 office and factory workers at the facility and another 1,300 employees in retail stores. As far as the actual ownership of it, richmond Brothers was one of those companies that like to claim when you work for Richmond Brothers you're not an employee, you're a member of the family.
Shaun:You're fired, yeah right I know, when you hear that, you're like, hmm, that sounds kind of sus.
Nate:Yeah, make you a member of the family until you're not.
Shaun:Yeah, and then we got this quote from the owner Apparently they're quite anti-union, even saying at one point quote the union plan has been one to crush our business. We think this is wrong to put this kind of pressure on our family, because they said that they wanted their business to be one of those where everybody's treated like family. And if unions just get in the way of treating you like family, now, nate, when you hear that stuff, you're probably like me and you think stuff like starbucks and, uh, amazon. And when you hear we want our people to be like family and unions, stop that your eyes probably roll so hard in the back of your head.
Nate:You're afraid they're not going to come back yeah, I mean, look well, I actually kind of you know, back in the day, like you know, beyond my 20s, I remember talking to somebody. He's very anti-union they and I'm like, yeah, I hear I understand that. But as I got older and saw all the benefits and stuff, I mean I'm not part of you know. Now I'm working for F&L, so I'm not a part of any kind of union there, but just I get it. Maybe if there was a union I might get paid more Instead of like the pennies I'm working for right now working for right now, Richmond Brothers Battle Union to keep them out of business.
Nate:Nate.
Shaun:Got any ideas? No, okay, nope, they actually managed to do it by treating their employees like real human beings. Oh, wow, this was like one of the greatest companies to work for at the time. Employees were given two weeks of paid vacation, one at Christmas and one at the Fourth of July, which was literally they were the first company weeks of paid vacation every year. They also offered paid maternity leave, a 36-hour work week, when 48-hour work weeks were common.
Shaun:They did not believe in time clocks because they trusted their employees to show up on time and were like well, if we put in time clocks, that just means we don't trust them. We can't have that. They would also allow to give their employees pensions after only 15 years of service. They gave them stock options and they encouraged them to buy them up, which almost everybody did. They gave life and health insurance, dismemberment insurance, childbirth benefits and in 1949, they added a third week of paid vacation. And on top of that, nate, here's one more thing they offered, and this is one of those you'd be like damn wish I had this, say you get into a bit of a tight money spot Car breaks down porch breaks down, wife breaks down.
Shaun:you know whatever tends to happen Wife breaks down. The Richmond brothers offered all employees loans through the company. Not only that, but there were interest-free loans. And not only that, but there were interest-free loans you could pay back on your own schedule. They were like you need money here, have some money. Don't worry about paying us back.
Nate:You're part of the family, we will you just pay us waiting for the other to put the job? By the way, they kill babies.
Shaun:The state of the art factory is also extremely worker-friendly for the time Big, open-air, open-floor plans, windows to giant windows, bringing large amounts of daylight to see. Some windows were up to 15 feet big, covering entire walls. Now compare this to the New York Taylor scene, which was nothing but giant basement sweatshops cramped, crowded, sweaty, moldy people losing fingers and basically just unsafe hellholes that people are dying in. Nope. And also, too, richmond Brothers were known to pay higher wages than anybody else at the time, and this actually did help them achieve the family atmosphere that the Richmond Brothers wanted. No-transcript. Because of this, employees never wanted to go on strike or never wanted to unionize. Even when the Cleveland garment workers across the state of Cleveland went on strike in 1911, richmond Brothers was unaffected. Even the strikes in the 20s, 30s and 40s they were unaffected. People were strikes in the 20s, 30s and 40s they were unaffected. People were just like no, I like this place let's stay here.
Nate:You treat your employees like with like at people and with dignity, you know, yeah. So okay, yeah, I'm fine with them.
Shaun:You know, not unizizing, they're actually taking care of their people yeah, I thought at first you were going to go on like this long tirade about all the ways that uh companies are anti-union, but now you actually uh were very respectful and listened to what they had to say. Good, job.
Nate:There are definitely companies up but they're anti-union. When I worked at macy's back in the day when they hired me, they had a whole. They had a whole video based on don't unionize, yeah, and lows. I think they had a little bit when I hired out lows, but I wasn't really paying attention and yeah, that's a couple of places, you know they. They give you a brief, like you need to report someone if they stop trying to give you a pamphlet like about unions. Yeah, I'm like, okay, whatever, man just unionism is close to communism raw, yeah, stuff like that.
Nate:It's just do you really want them taking money out your paycheck to pay for some dues and like well?
Shaun:they don't take that much out of your damn paycheck. Yeah, first of all, half your damn paycheck.
Nate:First of all, they don't pay that much and second of all, like the pros, that way the cons but yeah they really do.
Shaun:But yeah, if you're part of a union, you'll constantly get mail all the time being like you should drop out of your union and quit. Tell them you don't want to be part of a union. Blah, blah, blah.
Nate:You get all sorts of anti-union stuff in the mail constantly yeah, especially like you know we're even using your job, just like there are people who are working with you no names, but like from what you tell me, like who should have been gone a long time ago.
Shaun:There's like union, haha yeah, although people always do say that we're just like well, if you're part of a union, it's impossible to get fired. Yeah, I've known like four or five people get fired so far yeah, it's not impossible, it's just difficult, like it actually needs to be like, yeah, there actually has to be a reason, like a good reason or something.
Nate:Yeah I mean because, like in you know kentucky I think it's a quote, quote right to work state or whatever and they, just they fire you for no fucking reason. I mean like they just, oh, I don't like how you look today, you're fired, and they could just do that.
Shaun:But you also have the ability to go find a better job whenever you want, though, and that's just so easy oh yeah, just, you know, just the same.
Nate:You know a similar job paying the same way you were making it.
Shaun:Yeah, it's totally that's what usually anti-union people are. They're like well, if you don't like your job, just go get a better one oh, you can't ha, ha, ha, so yeah you it's like well, that's nice, you must have a lot of money, buddy or run a business yeah, I love that.
Shaun:Yeah, exactly right yeah so because the richmond brothers, uh, business model and employee benefits were so good they had absolutely no problems during the depression hiring people or staying in business. People would just happily go get jobs there. They kept selling and, yeah, depression basically unaffected this company. It is said that the richmond brothers rapport with their employees was so strong that, uh, their main guy, nathan richmond, who's the guy who's credited with setting up all these employee benefits and stuff, it is said that he could stand at the front door and greet each employee by name, all 2,000 of them, as they came in. Whether or not this is true I don't know Hard to say, but I mean I guess if he was like directly with hiring people and they're having like company parties, maybe he could who knows it's possible, like yeah, uh, my kids elementary school principal.
Nate:Now you imagine, I mean it's not, you know we're in the middle of nowhere, kentucky, but like you know still it's a decent amount. That school holds about maybe 300 plus kids. You know three to four hundred kids and you know, going through all the years, this principal of this elementary school sees my daughter, august, and like still remembers her fucking name and like how, like, how many kids have you know? She's going to be a junior in high school next year and he still remembers her from, like, her elementary school days and and knows both sisters and like, and just on site, and I'm like how, how, what is what I don't know I, I forget people with you I totally agree with you on that, because when I first read this I remember 2 000 names.
Shaun:That's impossible for anybody. But then, as I thought about, it's like no, no, it's not. And then you bring up teachers. I'm like, oh yeah, teachers remember all sorts of names.
Nate:Like 20 years later it's like oh, yeah, you especially have more like experience with that, seeing how you work around them yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah.
Shaun:When I got my job at my school, my sixth grade teacher was like you look familiar. I'm like, oh yeah, I had you in sixth grade. He's like, oh yeah, sure enough, get out of here, yeah, ha.
Nate:I remember what you did.
Shaun:Yeah, ha, you might not remember what you did but I do down on your permanent record, the permanent record in my mind. Yeah, also, that Nathan Richman guy, the one who's credited with maintaining the standards and knew everybody's name. At his time of death in 1941, 2,000 employees gathered at his open casket funeral to bid farewell to him. I don't know a lot of people that show up to their boss's funeral. Yeah, right After his death, one of Nathan's nephews took over and successfully grew the business until 1969. And then we can kind of cue some Darth Vader entrance music here. Woolworths comes in with an offer that Richmond Brothers can't refuse and decides to buy them. And, nate, you know what happens usually when a giant company buys a slightly smaller company. Yeah, that's not good.
Nate:Yeah, it's not good.
Shaun:Yeah, bueno, yeah, it's not good. Yeah, basically the usual things that happen. Part of this also too. It wasn't necessarily Woolworths, but right around this time, too, polyester suits started becoming really popular and that really put a ding in the suit industry, because I don't know if you've ever worn a polyester suit, but they are like one of the stuffiest, sweatiest, most uncomfortable things you'll ever wear, because polyester don't breathe. You get like no airflow through it, so you're basically just going to be in like a portable sauna.
Shaun:And when polyester suits became popular, they were like a fraction of the price of a nice wool suit. People are like I'll just buy these polyester suits instead, and then they're just to me like suits are uncomfortable and the worst thing ever. I will never wear one again. And that's kind of what would put them out of fashion a little bit, because, like a nice wool suit, those things actually breathe and radiate heat pretty well and you'll do a good job of them, even on hot weather. Polyester suit, I promise you it's one of the funkiest things you'll ever wear in the heat.
Nate:I'll tell you where for it Funky cold Medina.
Shaun:Medina, it's a. I don't get that reference, but I know that word.
Nate:It was just a really dumb rap from you know.
Shaun:The dog did the wild thing on his leg. Oh yeah, he's also the same guy who does wild thing.
Nate:So yeah, he's like wild thing. And then he was a two hit wonder, that was the second one.
Shaun:Better to hit wonder than no hit wonder, I guess.
Nate:Fair enough. I mean, then he appeared on, on. He was also an ace ventura. He was like ace ventura's um cop friend. He had a really deep rally voice like that. You know, like that was awful person, like always. But yeah, he, just what was his name?
Shaun:tone, look, yes tone look, yep, yeah, he actually just said his name, like 30 seconds ago too oh, did I see I already forgot?
Nate:can nathan Nathan remember 2,000 names? No, I forgot. I said Tone Logue like five seconds ago.
Shaun:Nice to meet you, Mr Tone Logue.
Nate:Five seconds later, what's?
Shaun:your name again, buddy. Oh, tone Logue. Well, it's such a common name, how could I never remember that?
Nate:That would make. I love the little scenario there where I walk up I say loke, like I know his name and then immediately turn. I was like what's your name again?
Shaun:like like I forgot his name when I initially said his name anyway, and the reason that's funny is because it's pretty accurate to what would actually happen in real life.
Shaun:Yeah, I'm bad with names. I'm even worse, so don't feel too bad. Uh, I was actually just talking to somebody like the other day and he's like, yeah, you need to email my address, blah, blah, blah, and the entire time. Talking to somebody like the other day and he's like, yeah, you need to email my address, blah, blah, blah, and the entire time I'm talking to him, I'm like I don't know his name, my God, which was sad because I knew it like two days ago.
Nate:Yeah, yeah, like, oh man do I need to actually tell this guy, I don't know who he is.
Shaun:Yeah, the entire time he's talking about Zach, I feel like it's Zach, though.
Nate:Surely.
Shaun:Yeah, so anyways, Woolworths, polyester suits, suits going out of fashion. 1990, Woolworths deemed the Richmond brothers financially unstable and the company was liquidated in 1992, making 4,200 people unemployed. Sad times, the end of an era. People in Cleveland.
Nate:They stayed at the door as they walked out the door, saying bye Harold, bye Mom, bye Zozo.
Shaun:They propped up that original dude's casket right next to it.
Nate:He stayed at the door and he said someone's name like Bye, Harold, and someone behind him with a hammer, Whack. I forgot his name. Everyone behind him was like Whack.
Shaun:Now their name's gone, too, to Ha. On September 11th 2009, a group of Chinese investors purchased the former Richmond Brothers factory with the hopes of converting the property into a hub of North American operations for several high and low tech Chinese companies. Two condominiums, and they bought the whole thing at $40 million, or no, the whole project was going to cost $40 million. That project appears to have stalled and in 2011, a fire spread through the upper floors of the factory and apparently, as the report said, the damage went undocumented, which makes me think that people just like watched the top floor of that thing burn on fire and they're just like huh, well, ain't that something?
Nate:So was a douche about this. Yeah right, who owns it? I don't know.
Shaun:So, anyway, we're going for dinner, yeah exactly Somebody who owns it, I don't know. So anyway, we're going for dinner.
Nate:Yeah, exactly, somebody else probably called it in. Yeah, oh, yeah, totally, I've actually thought that before I see something like uh, I'm sure someone else got that.
Shaun:Okay, um, actually go into the general text channel. I'll send you the uh uh link for uh, because it's actually kind of cool, cool looking. So it looks almost like a video game level. It's modern day pictures of it, though, so it's kind of like all abandoned and falling apart. But oh my god, there's pinball machines in there.
Nate:That's pretty sweet. Oh man, this is like right for a horror movie, Right. Man, this has got ancient pinball machines in there like the old mechanical wheels on them and everything Looks for some kind of like either horror movie or if you're listening to this and want to look it up uh, look up abandoned onlinenet richmond brothers company.
Shaun:Or you can just google richmond brothers factory into punch richmond brothers factory into google and it'll pop up eventually.
Nate:Those those pinball machines have seen better days. Yeah, they have, and you think someone would take it. Why did why they leave, you know? I mean because like leaving the factory itself, I get that, but I guess maybe the pinball machines were broken at the time.
Shaun:Or maybe if you just touched them, they had like this weird slimy funk on them that nobody knows what it is and thus nobody wants to touch it, because I mean, there is water underneath them. Maybe they're constantly oozing some sort of liquid. Why do these pinball machines have pus coming out of them? We don't know. Don't touch them, though Fred did, and he ain't been the same since he stopped caring about the employees. Yes Ha, he was no longer part of the family, thus he must be squelched. So there you go, nate, a quick episode on the Richmond brothers People who made one of my favorite suits.
Shaun:It's a nice three-piece one. It's gray with little red checkerboard stripes on it. Did you learn anything fun today? When was your suit made? Either very late 60s or very early 70s, judging by the tag. The only real way to tell suits is usually by the lapel size, but there'll be a union tag on the inside and, depending on what the union tag says and the color setup and how it's arranged, that's kind of how you can tell the generation of what the suit's from. And the tag in there has it somewhere between 65 and 78, I think, because there are some broad swaths where they use tags. Is it good?
Shaun:It is actually very nice, 100% virgin wool Fits great.
Nate:None of these, none of this touched a woman. There was absolutely no slutty goats involved in making this we kept the boys over here, the girls over here, and they wouldn't even look at each other.
Shaun:It's called a eunuch suit for a reason, right? Not because you won't get laid in it because of those poor sheep. And in case you're wondering what a virgin wool actually means, originally it meant it was wool from the very first shearing of a sheep, like you know, when the sheep was first time it could be sheared and you shear that off.
Shaun:That was technically virgin wool. It was supposed to be like the softest, nicest, but that was something that I don't know, that probably went out of fashion, you know, 50, 60 years ago. Nowadays, virgin wool just means it hasn't been recycled and it's the first using of that wool. They'll just send back old wool and they'll just like repurpose it and just kind of like turn into just this giant sheet of generic recycled wool which apparently you can buy cheap suits made out of recycled wool, which I guess is all right. People say it depends on the quality of the company and stuff. I googled it once and it was like is recycled wool suits good? And the overall answer was depends, which is a great answer to get that's always like oh, is it how?
Nate:this or this it depends? Well then, thanks, I was looking for a yes or no right, because I knew it kind of depended. Thank you very much it's like what I think always irritates me with, like when I say, uh, particularly girls, that they we fuss about this all the time. Hey, do you want to do blank? And they go sure, that's not a yes or no. A sure says I don't necessarily want to do it but I'm willing to.
Shaun:It's a dismissive answer.
Nate:Yeah, I'm asking your opinion. You have one, yes or no. You might not like I need one or the other.
Shaun:I hate that Sure basically translates to if you want to, I guess yeah.
Nate:And so just the same vein is like is this good or bad Depends? Well, of course it depends. If it's on fire, then it's a no it depends.
Shaun:Do you like being on fire, then yes. If you don't like being on fire, then no, it's a bad thing.
Nate:If you put it on like well, if you like sweating, real bad. It makes you feel really hot in 30 degree weather.
Shaun:I'm like well, I don't know If you like being stuffy and just feeling miserable then yeah, it'd be a great thing.
Nate:Like, all the all. The seams are like a little too tight so you like you'd actually want to bend down. You can't. You can't bend your knees, you walk like a robot. Like if you like that, then sure it's great. Yep, do you want to move like C-3PO?
Shaun:Yes, yes, actually I want to upload one last picture for you, just because I like this one, because it's very obvious. It's like hey, do you want to take your picture while you're getting sized for a suit for this magazine ad? He's like yes, let me suck in my gut as much as humanly possible. Oh, wow, you're not going to get the actual like. Yes, you are right, nathan.
Shaun:If you're about to say that's not how you measure a suit, you are 100% correct. Do not suck in your stomach when you're getting a suit-suit sized. Blow your tummy out if anything else. Yeah, yeah, you're supposed to stand, naturally, even a little bit slumped kind of thing. Not be like I'm going to suck this in. Yeah, you can even tell the tailor's kind of chuckling. Be like I'm going to have to get doing visual stuff. But hey, if you're listening at home, just Google Richmond Brothers suits. You're not going to come up with a ton of things about it. Sean here just letting you know that this point is the end of the Richmond Brothers discussion. From here on, it's mostly talk about Star Wars, star Trek, x-men and Batman and other nerd things. Please stay around and have a listen if you'd like, but if you don't want to no hard feelings and we'll see you next episode you know, going back a little bit, you remember I was about to say that c3po do you see?
Nate:now, keep in mind, I don't care about fashion, really, but, um, that zendaya suit that she went to the met gala or whatever, the only reason why okay, the only reason why you mentioned is she, her like outfit was like, basically like a metal, steel looking c3po suit. It was ridiculous and the only reason why I saw it was because how effing ridiculous it was.
Shaun:I, I really truly don't care about any of that, but it popped up the robot from space balls oh, you look it, up, yeah, oh yeah yeah, just type in zendaya c-3po suit and it's like, oh, yep immediately yeah, yeah.
Nate:And then I saw, I saw a clip on uh, tiktok or whatever. Uh, maybe it was ready, who cares? And like in order to get the stairs, someone to pick her up and carry her upstairs. I saw a clip on TikTok or whatever. Maybe it was Reddit. Who cares?
Shaun:And like in order to get the stairs someone had to pick her up and carry her up the stairs. I was about to say it looks like there was like no mobility in this suit. Honestly, I would be surprised they put like little wheels on the bottom of the feet so they could just like shove her along and just roll her down the Right. Apparently, she was also in a chainmail versace gown at one point too, which is made by uh man versace. So that thing was expensive.
Nate:Of course it is I mean some of these fashion stuff like one thing about can represent, or that one reason I respect the suits you know, especially these guys. It's like, hey, these are functional suits for guys or girls who want to go out there and like be, um, you know, look professional, yep. But sometimes I look at these runways it's like no one will ever wear that ever suits are good because suits are what's known as quote-unquote, timeless fashion.
Shaun:They will look good in any era. No, regardless. Stuff like c-3po suits yeah, that's pretty niche right there.
Nate:It's super niche I mean again, it's fine for like, oh we're, I'm making a statement. The statement is a lot of times those high-end fashion suits are like.
Shaun:It's not designed out of functionality, it's designed out of a look.
Nate:What I can do with my talent, right yeah, I saw one like it's a reddit thing and again I swear I don't care about this stuff, I do not look for it, just somehow it finds me and I don't. But I saw one where, like the fashion guy's walking down, he has like a little hat on his head and that's it, like literally nothing else. Dude's naked walking down the runway. It's like wait, which head was his hat on? But you know what? I wasn't looking too close, but maybe he had a hat, maybe he had two hats on, maybe on his lower hat.
Shaun:He's just got this little tiny hat like a cape and like a handlebar mustache Like muahaha, I am little villain.
Nate:Well, in order to wear it properly too, I guess you have to be all, like you know, having some blood down there. So, like don't get flaccid, don't think about your grandma Like great.
Shaun:That's all I can about. Quick, build me a scaffolding to hold it up. Right here I am with my penis scaffolding showing me I'm ready at any moment. Uh, also, too. This is in dia c-3po outfit. What if it's really bright outside? It seems like that glare off that could cause some blindness in people right be like damage to those retinas yeah, right also, she's just walking around like oh god, my eyes c-3po, it's more like chic 3po, ah hapo. I just read the headline of the pictures I was looking at and she doesn't look.
Nate:She does not look happy either. I'm like every picture I'm pulling up with her, she's like a. She's not smiling at all. Even there's one next to her, next to her boyfriend, tom holland. That's a tom holland. That's uh dune dune guy. Um, timidly, uh, shama lama ding dong I almost said the oliphant.
Shaun:I've been way off on that. Oh yeah, you're way off on that one. Timothy shama lama ding dong. Is it just me, or I'm not knocking on dude, because I like him at all, but doesn't it look like he weighs about 80 pounds and like even a light breeze?
Nate:would just like send him flying yeah, yeah, I mean I got nothing on the guy. He did really great. Yeah, I've liked him in the stuff I've seen him in. He just kind of came out of nowhere for me One day. It's like I'm walking along minding my own business. He's everywhere. It's like where did he come from? And apparently he did do. He went through the motions. I go back and oh yeah, he's been in things so he earned his way up, but it just seemed like one minute he wasn't there.
Shaun:Next thing you know he was about Zendaya too, or Billie Eilish. Just like boom, all of a sudden everything's about them, right? But then yeah, like you said, when you look it up, it's like oh yeah, they had a Disney career for 15 years.
Nate:You're like exactly right, there are 30 years going through the trenches of the Disney show. Now they're huge like so okay, yeah, fair enough. I've done that where I'm like, yeah, okay oh yeah, they've been around for a minute, okay, sure they're almost my age.
Shaun:This is awkward. Yeah, you're right, zendaya does not smile in any of her red carpet appearances. I mean, she looks miserable. Yeah, uh, I have heard those. Red carpet things are pretty miserable experiences, to be honest. You basically get a show up, answer the same questions 4 000 times, have people holler at you and then you get to sit there and be bored for hours on end, right.
Nate:In a very uncomfortable suit. Yeah, I saw one thing where apparently Nathan Lane Nathan Lane Is that his name?
Shaun:There is a Nathan Lane out there.
Nate:Yes, Nathan Lane. So that guy, apparently he never answers questions, Like when he does red carpet stuff, he never says anything. And there's one TMZ guy or whatever he goes hey, I love you, and um, mousetrap I'm sorry, mouse hunt, mouse hunt yes. Yeah, he was like hey, I love you Mouse hunt. And he they delayed, stops A. Looks at him. He's like yeah, he's like you get one question uh I don't know what the question was.
Nate:I said that was because that's you know, it was a tiktok thing, or just like you know, he never answers questions. He, when he does these things, he literally just walks in the building.
Shaun:He's you know, whatever but yeah, I remember liking that movie mouse hunt back at the yeah it's good.
Nate:I felt I saw, uh, you know, clips of it. I haven't actually. I don't think I've actually watched it from like beginning to end, but it's one of those things where, like it's just on my walk in the room like, oh, it's pretty good yeah, on this saturday afternoon nickelodeon show I mean to be honest, my the most uh experience I've had with him was on uh lion king, you know and that's.
Shaun:He was on that too. Yeah, nathan lane's one of those actors.
Nate:I know he's been everywhere and done everything, but I can't really name much outside of bird cage, bird cage, the thing I've actually like saw him for, like as an actor, uh, but yeah, the first time I experienced with him was on, you know, lion king saw the bird cage.
Shaun:I heard it was really good. Though wait, you have or have not have not.
Nate:Okay, I thought you said I've seen it and I heard I heard it's good. Like did you just say you saw it? It is pretty good, I liked it.
Shaun:Um, I mean it was outside robin will, robin Williams and a few others in it. Yeah, I mean. I kind of remember it having like an all-star cast back in the day actually for its era.
Nate:Oh yeah, there was. It was him Robin Williams, lex Luthor, what's?
Shaun:his face, oh my.
Nate:God, superman, there too. Gene Hackman, gene Hackman, gene Hackman. Okay, hank Azaria was in it.
Shaun:Callista.
Nate:Flockhart. Whatever happened to her? Oh, she's still around. She's married to Harrison Ford, I think.
Shaun:Oh, that's right, that's just a name I haven't heard in forever.
Nate:Right, and she was in that really dumb lawyer show for a while. I remember seeing a few. I watched it from time to time it was just, you know, it was just ali mcbeal.
Shaun:That one, yes, it was. That's the only thing I know her from, to be honest yeah, well, she was also.
Nate:She played, uh, a pretty big role in the supergirl series. Oh, she was like a supergirl's boss or not, you know, not as supergirl, but as supergirl's alter egos boss yeah was it Laura Kent? What was her name?
Shaun:Kate and Kent, let's just say Because it's close to Clark.
Nate:That's going to drive me crazy. Kara Zor-El, so it was Kara Kent. Is that what she went by?
Shaun:Because that's dumb. That is kind of dumb. Kara Kent, Kara Kent sounds like currency from Eastern Europe. I will give you 30 carakents for that car yeah, care, apparently is she went by care can't? It's like don't care, I can't. That is, oh man, that literally isn't be like what's the closest female name to clark? And somebody was like cara and they're like well, we got to go to lunch, so, yes, that works I mean clark, can't?
Nate:I mean there's always the rhyming stuff.
Shaun:I know um that is a comic book thing and I've always kind of hated that, though I was never a fan of.
Nate:They're trying to make everything illiterate or alliteration or rhyme well, stan lee said he did that, so you remember the names. Like that was his cheat, like he would just do like double, like. Okay, I can remember that name because you know it's. You know, clark canter.
Shaun:He didn't do them um peter parker quick think of a stan lee character wait damn it, get him ahead, that's right.
Nate:Peter.
Shaun:Parker. I got that one that's right there what I've explained to you. The three names serial killer thing in my first one pots our mouth is Ted Bundy. Oh wait, sure girls have three names like Ted Bundy. Oh damn right, he has a third name. I swear we still don't know. Yes, ted, quote-unquote the killer Bundy. Yes, killer, damn Wait, he has a third name. I swear we still don't know what it is. Ted, quote unquote the killer Bundy. Yeah, the killer, I don't know.
Nate:Ted Killer Bundy.
Shaun:Kara Zor-El's real name is actually Linda Lee Danvers.
Nate:Is that what she went by? Okay, that makes more sense, that sounds a little better. But Well, did she go back show? Oh, gotcha.
Shaun:It probably changed whatever what the writers wanted to do.
Nate:To be honest, yeah, let's see, come on. Just, I don't care of danvers. They split the difference. So on the cw show she went by cara danvers, which is better what?
Shaun:whatever, what other uh names had alliteration for? Uh, what's his butt? Stan lee, peter parker, I mean tony stark, that's not a fantastic four. Oh, reed, richards, there we go. Sue Storm, stephen Strange Are we sure this is so he could remember the names, or is he just not that? Cool, that's what he said I mean, yeah, this might be revisionist history too. These names are dumb. I can't think of anything else.
Nate:I mean that's what he said, so I mean I don't know. You know, J Jonah Jameson, he definitely went for the stars on that one, yeah, yeah, Triple J's, but he did do that for yeah. He did do it for the X-Men though. Yeah, you know, like Eric Lynch, Charles Xavier, you know.
Nate:Chuck EZ On this thing like I pulled it up on here, it's on Reddit, and so it was like Wolverine Logan slash James Howlett. I'm like, okay, fair, james howlett didn't come around to, like the early 2000s, they didn't give him another name. Nobody calls him james howlett anyways, right, right, I mean, but they didn't even that name, didn't even exist until they gave him a backstory like years, like decades after they.
Shaun:it was just logan so james howlett is stupid too, because you know wolverine, wolf, howl, howling, howlett I don't know if that was intentional, but it sounds like it was and I hate it.
Nate:Scott Summers. There you go, there's one, you get the one for the X-Men.
Shaun:Jean Grey. If you pronounce it J as a hard J or something, or Grey as a soft G, jean Dre, jean Dre, forget about Dre yeah, maybe it's not such a big.
Nate:Like you know, I'm sitting here going man. All those alliteration names from like not many.
Shaun:Maybe the alliteration names are just the ones he stole from other writers. They all see bucky barnes.
Nate:Uh, matt murdoch, they go daredevil um stephen strange reed richards, sue storm silver surfer. Uh, victor von doom, like that's pushing it. Yeah, bruce banner, there you go. Uh, happy hogan, that's stupid.
Shaun:Peter parker, miles morales, but that was like long after peter porker, that's, he did co-write a bunch of these characters too and not watch his butt?
Nate:I don't know yeah, I mean, because some of these names, he you know, I don't know well these are just like I just pulled up marvel names, these aren't necessarily specific to um stan lee yeah, yeah, it's one of those things.
Shaun:Uh, all the writers from marvel back and they had really cool clever names for all the characters. Stanley was like no, we have to change this to alliteration.
Nate:I mean some of these names too, it's like okay, whatever, like green goblin, I mean yeah, I guess, but we're not. You know, that's not really a name, it's just, that's a, it's a descriptor, or right? Uh, cletus cassidy, why not? Sure, they have Donna Diego on here. Scream, you know, you know the very famous Marvel character Scream.
Shaun:And I need to look that up. Oh yeah, oh, I recognize her, but I've never read her in anything.
Nate:Oh, there's Loki Lafayette, and like oh, fuck off with that.
Shaun:Loki Lafayette. Isn't that his original name from the uh?
Nate:fucking religion, though, like probably, yeah, yeah, he's just on here, thor, brother of Thor Loki. Okay, yeah, uh, this Scott Summers is probably the Sebastian Shaw, whatever. Warren Worthington, the third. And we oh, by the way, I don't want to, I don't want to, like, I'm looking at these and I definitely want to start talking about X-Men, but I probably shouldn't. Huh, why is that? Well, we probably go do. If you're not going to do it, I'll do one about the, you know, write one about the 97 series just came out, go for it.
Nate:Yeah, cause I'm I'm kind of getting all nervous about the Star Trek stuff. So first of all, it's like I don't know, I don't want, I don't want to sit there like, oh yeah, they made a show and start going the nitty-gritty of it and it's so divisive. You know about the star trek and there's so much stuff I also I just missed. You know, like, um, we got that comment or comment saying, oh yeah, here's why x, y and z. I'm like okay, I totally respect.
Shaun:Could do Star Trek maybe is just do your first one be a very overall thing. Be like, hey, Star Trek was found out in the 60s. Here's the series that went through and the people that wrote them and who starred in it Very quick overrun and then do individual episodes after that, breaking down each series maybe.
Nate:Yeah, I mean I could probably general overall view, but just because the X-Men's hot, I'm probably going to do that? Yeah, I'll go ahead and do that one first, if you're not going to do it, I'll do it.
Shaun:Cause.
Nate:I well, I was working on the uh star Wars hotel one, so oh yeah, that's actually you surprised me, cause I thought we were going to do that today and you're like suits.
Shaun:I'm four hours and I was like, well, I should do an episode on this and I'm watching it a second time and taking notes, which takes significantly longer than watching it the first time.
Nate:So yeah, I probably should actually watch the original series. Should I go back that far?
Shaun:I mean, because I don't really yeah, okay, cool, thank you.
Nate:I'm like, oh man, I don't need to watch all, because it was like was it three seasons? Was it, uh, three or four? Yeah, yeah, x -Men, I mean I liked it, it's just still. I mean it's also dated.
Shaun:Oh yeah, the animation of that is way rougher than anybody remembers.
Nate:Oh, five seasons. Yeah, 76 episodes, five seasons. No, I'm not doing that, but I will definitely do this Because, man, it was, you know, this most recent. It was a slow build for me, like the first episode. It was fine but it didn't really grab me.
Shaun:But then, as you actually downright hated it at first yeah, well, I didn't grab you, you did.
Nate:Yeah, I just liked it venomous passion in your my time it started off with like oh yeah, here's again, I get it, they're introducing the characters, but I, you know, so they get. They have to like introduce new character with like oh yeah, here's this guy, here's this guy and here's this guy, but at the same time, like look, this is X-Men 97. This is a pickup of an older series that you're supposed to know about.
Shaun:But, yeah, I know, but new kids are coming in, but let's be real, there's not going to be many kids coming in to watch X-Men 97 on Disney Plus that don't know who the X-men are, so anything about batman or spider-man, they keep redoing his origin story. Every movie it feels like oh my god, that's so I mean every batman it's like, hey look, we get to watch his parents get killed again. That seems more annoying than the x-men recapping stuff to be honest, at least the ben affleck batman.
Nate:But to be fair, we never got a ben affleck movie of batman, um, but at least with him they didn't really go. They didn't get into it. They're just like, okay, he's batman, you know he's batman.
Shaun:Yeah, yeah I feel like the most recent one too. They didn't really do that as much, but for the most part they always have to do the same. As spider-man. It's like, oh look, uncle ben, he's gonna die.
Nate:Or they introduced uncle ben black uncle ben, you'll be around forever, and then yeah well, the most recent one at least, they kind of like introduced the idea of it was a bigger thing. You know it was like tied to a conspiracy and you know that's fine. You know, if you want to do that it's fine. But yeah, like we don't need the slow motion pearls, you know in like it's, you know the alleyway and plus what robert says the devil in the pale moonlight, right, I mean, and that was a retcon as well, like because you know joker didn't kill their parents.
Nate:But you know it's fine, you know for that, for that movie I'll roll with it. You know what? Sure, why not? You know it's like it's we're going to multiverses you know, especially the fact that, like they've solidified, hey, there's multiverses.
Shaun:So the fact that, like you know, they can retroactively make anything canon they want, because this is on earth.
Nate:425b, where all the characters are penguins and the penguins, ironically, is now Batman.
Shaun:Yep, exactly that sounds like something DC probably has done in the past. Right, this world where all the superheroes are in the Bluey universe? Woo, that'd be amazing. People would watch that. I'd watch that Because I swear Bluey is one of the more popular things on TV. I feel like Bluey's amazing dude. I'm sorry, oh no, I have heard plenty of adults say that Bluey is actually one of the best kid shows in a while.
Nate:Bluey legit is really good. Like I don't sit there, like, oh, I'm going to watch Bluey, I don't do that, but you know, I If it's on nine, but still if they put it on and watch the new episodes that come out. It's so dumb too. They've actually censored because they come from Australian TV and they come over here. First of all, australia's crazy with their censorship already, so you know it's ridiculous if they're censoring right here. And they censored one episode because the DAG got put on trial for farting and for some reason farting was too far for disney plus. Like, really farting is too. You're gone too now. I think they finally they put a. They actually ended up airing it because people were pissed, so but still, it's just that's really good.
Shaun:Yeah, there are all sorts of like weird holdover rules for broadcasting kids shows and stuff like no body sounds and weird stuff.
Nate:I don't know well, one thing it will. My biggest gripe about bluey is it gives unrealistic expectation of our parents, because these parents like the parents on the show, like they commit to the bit and like their kids like hey, we're gonna play um freeze tag or whatever. And so whenever they they hit a horn, like the dad is the freeze and they he literally freezes and it affects his day. Like he's trying to do things and he's standing there. They're like paint, like put a bunch of makeup on whatever and be like oh ha. But then he goes out in the world where other people are around and they're playing freeze tag with him. He's like he can't leave to go to the store because he's stuck in the fridge, like come on, man, like stop doing this. I can't do this to my kids. I gotta go to the store.
Shaun:Period, leave me alone so what happens is eventually blue. He's eventually gonna take a whole. The series is gonna take a turn when the dad hits one of the kids and it just goes off the rails. Yeah, it gets real awkward yeah it gets real dark and then the truth comes out, all the stories, the molestations they're like the child trafficking Right In this episode we deal with child trafficking Like whoa Like oh no, Puppy mills become a big thing in that show.
Nate:Oh man, can you imagine Like they spend the entire episode, a bluey episode dealing with puppy mills? That would be interesting, that would be awesome watch it. What's happening to mom, oh god yeah that that'd be horrific, but somehow hilarious only to a certain number of people like you and I.
Shaun:Yeah right, yeah, you can actually look up the reasons blue was censored and it's just local dumb stuff yeah, it's, yeah, it really is it's.
Nate:It really is dumb stuff yeah, yeah, like uh.
Shaun:In new zealand, episode 46 bandit now burps instead of sneezing due to a complaint about using a food allergy as a joke.
Nate:That's a new zealand censorship I saw I get clips every so often of like uh, the episode was banned from tv airings due to blue and bingo naming bandit ooga booga, which is a racial term.
Shaun:The word Oogabooge was changed to Shubidua.
Nate:I guess If it's legit, like you know, I roll my eyes about it, but then again, if it is like a known slur Oogabooge might mean something totally different in New Zealand than it is up here.
Shaun:I can kind of see that, because there's a lot more you know jungles down there by new zealand.
Nate:I don't know, I mean even here, like if you want to, if you want to make that association, sure, but I think a lot of people wouldn't. But then again I'm also I would think of like oogie boogie from uh, nightmare before christmas kind of stuff yeah, I mean I don't know, like I'm also not necessarily I'm not, I'm not in any of the demographics that would be insulted by that and I've never really said that in a.
Shaun:It wouldn't even occur to me to take that as a racist term not me either, really, but also we didn't grow up in New Zealand, so, like you said, cultural differences apparently in Southeast Asia they censored a scene where Bluey is doing surgery on Bandit. That sounds dark. The actual scene is the scene is where Bingo puts Bandit, or Bluey is doing surgery on Bandit that sounds dark. The actual scene is. The scene is where Bingo puts Bandit to sleep and Bluey is doing surgery to Bandit Hopefully it wasn't, you know, surgery against his will.
Nate:Right, he's like oh dear God, stop. I don't want to commit to the bit anymore.
Shaun:We're going to make you into the pretty girl. We always wanted Some weird censorships here. All poo scenes were changed to booger. The color of the booger in the first scene was changed from yellow to blue.
Nate:Which I don't know, that makes it seem like there's something wrong with them.
Shaun:Here's the USA censorship stuff. The word capsicum is replaced by pepper. In most of the world peppers are called capsicums. What are capsicum Peppers? Capsicum capsaicin is the stuff that makes peppers hot and that's named after the fact that, uh like, hot peppers are named capsicum in some countries. Uh, I gotcha. Basically it just changes. So kids weren't that busy hounding their parents what's capsicum? Parents have to say I don't know, and then kids are like you're dumb, oh do you get that picture?
Nate:I sent them. Like that ella drew, like, like she wrote this, oh, I did. And I asked what it was and she was supposed to think the Watcher. I'm like that doesn't, you're not even using the right words for Watcher. Like it was, she made a picture of a giant like lizard's eye, and I'm like, okay, I mean, that makes sense.
Shaun:Once you give me all the Marvel comic books.
Nate:And which I didn't even notice. Did you notice the watcher was in episode five of the X-Men Keep going, so I can remember which one next episode, episode five. Episode five was the shit hits the fan. Okay, yeah, like it really. The whole series takes a big like right, left turn.
Shaun:Gotcha, the event on the Island.
Nate:Yes, and like just event on the island, yes, and like, just as like just for the show cable. You know they look at the sky, those fireworks are going off and they pan down. If you pay attention, I didn't, I missed it. I I didn't actually go and look at a still screen, but I was watching, saw some people, like reactions, people saw, but you could see a very, very slight silhouette of the watcher because you know, like it's one of those um core experiences in all the universes that never changes, or whatever it's called, yep yeah, I watch stuff like new rock stars and screen crush and I get to learn all behind scenes stuff like that.
Shaun:Neat, yeah, because I mean they're more observant than I am and sometimes I'm like I don't know who that comic book character is anymore, right yeah there's a sometimes I'll show a character I'm like I kind of recognize him, but like I, acknowledge he exists, but I don't know anything about him yeah, right, that's background character number 42
Nate:although at the end, when they went back in time you know and I know we're going spoiler territory or whatever um, when they went back in time and they saw that you know dude fighting those other guys, I knew exactly who that was because they did a really good job. Like I was all in Apocalypse for a while. He was my favorite villains and he actually came out with a series like a backstory for him and he looks exactly like he did in comics, which impressed me it kind of looks exactly like he does in the future too, I mean with the whole.
Nate:Yeah well, he's just not it's not, I guess hard to tell apart. Well, he it once. He dropped his face like his, definitely his face, but he doesn't have any hair. He looks, you know, nowadays looks. He looks a lot more mechanical but, um, you know what, the what, what, the wires coming out of his arms and whatnot, and his head, I guess yeah he's just one wiry dude.
Nate:I hated what they did with him in that movie, though the the movie he showed up in was was that that was the third one, x-men 3 I believe, which was the one I actually didn't see. No first class it wasn't first, but of the first class. It wasn't like x-men 3, because there was x-men, x-men 2, x-men 3, that wasn't those, it was the new class stuff um it was actually a movie called x-men apocalypse.
Shaun:Okay, I never saw that one either, it's not good, he looks dumb, it's.
Nate:Yeah, he does look dumb and they change his powers up like his. He's supposed to be this, you know, immortal, like he can basically change, and like down to a molecular level. He can, you know, get real big, get real small. He's laser blasts, you know he can shape shift. But in this, in this movie, he had the ability of stealing other mutants powers, but he did it like in a weird way, so he would get people's he would actually steal, abuse powers, so he like stack on top of it, but that's that's not what he does like.
Nate:Rogue plus edition or something like that. I mean, he has done that before like he. I'm not saying he's never done that in the comics. He absolutely stolen other mutants powers before, but that's not his core power set and it's just I don't know.
Shaun:It was really frustrating and that's when you stood up in the theater and screamed to the screen no, that's not how this works and everybody told you to shut up and you stormed out of the theater, right well, I yelled at my computer monitor because, oh okay and all your family would be like dad, sit down, shut up.
Nate:You're like you don't understand and so I mean, it was just really upsetting how they just totally bongled the whole thing and there was actually a really cool like there was a, a magnet, the magneto story in there. That it was actually really good, you know it's.
Shaun:They made up a tragic character and they just like totally just dropped the ball like, hey, it's like I wish they saved that story plot for a better movie, kind of thing basically like the Days of Future Past was the best X-Men movie of the new movies and the end.
Nate:I never saw that one either that was actually worth watching if you're going to watch any of the first class stuff. With what's his face as Professor Xavier, who I'm totally blanking on?
Shaun:Patrick Stewart, no, the other guy he was in days of future boy though oh, okay james mcfoy.
Nate:Yes, that's the thing. Like in they kind of blended the future in the past or the future of the past versions on this one and like mostly takes place in the past. Yeah, and it's like they they do the whole thing to change the future.
Nate:It's actually one of those things where they have the occasional flash forward that you kind of wonder if it's just footage clipped from a different movie that was left over well, kind of it starts off in the future and then, like it's, they send wolverine's consciousness back to his old body uh, which is not how the comics went at all, but you know it was. They worked around it because, god forbid, wolverine's not the main star in these things. So you know, they send wolverine's future consciousness into his past body because you know he was still alive back then. And then he interacts, he goes and like deals with the first class people, and it took place a little while after the first movie. So you know, um magdalene's off doing his thing and you know it, stuff happens. It's really interesting how they actually tackled it. It does not follow, as I said, the comic version whatsoever, uh, aside from a few things. But say it's a perfect, absolutely, absolutely not, but it's better than the other ones yeah, I was about to say.
Shaun:One thing I really liked about x-men 97 is they did not fall into the trope that almost I feel like every x-Men thing ever has gone into. Where it's not the X-Men cartoon or series, it's Wolverine and friends, and literally like Wolverine is just the only character that they give two craps about and everybody else is just kind of an ancillary character. I feel like a lot of X-Men stuff is just like well, everybody likes Wolverine, We'll just make him the head of everything.
Nate:Wolverine wasn't really a big deal in this. You know he was there, yeah, sure, because he's Wolverine, but I mean they kind of avoided making him the star of the show like a lot, and he was just basically kind of a fuckboy the whole time. Yeah, he kind of was oh, I want, oh, Gene, I like you so much it's like, come on, man, Like you're embarrassing yourself.
Shaun:I'm embarrassed for you, right? If there was one thing about Wolverine I didn't really like on X-Men 97 is yeah, he didn't really seem like a dude who's you know like 150 years old, maturity and war weary and stuff like that.
Nate:I'll be honest, I did not like what they did with Wolverine. He was kind of a little bitch about the whole time. I don't necessarily want to be the main character. I really enjoy the show. I think that people who are the main characters should have been the main characters. You could have at least made Wolverine as kind of like a rogue badass in the background, but they didn't.
Nate:He had his badass moments, but by and large he was just kind of impulsive and whiny and just doe-eyed for a girl who will never actually reciprocate it feels, like they wrote wolverine like he was supposed to be 18 or something like that yeah, just I don't know, I wasn't, I just really wasn't a fan how they represented wolverine. I'm sure, hopefully, after they were, they uh, this next season that's coming up in probably 10 years from now, but when they actually probably uh, you know, when he's dealing with his bone claws, uh, they, you know, change them up, you know, maybe make him a little bit more important uh, that could be, yeah it'll be interesting and everything it'll be interesting to see if they make the physical changes they gave him in the 90s when he was the bone claws and, uh, even the bone claws I did.
Nate:One thing I liked about the bone claws version of wolverine is he healed a lot faster in the comics. Because the idea in the comics was the adamantium was actually poisoning him and his healing factor was dealing with that poisoning. And yes, he was. He had a very strong healing factor, but it was actually um stunted because a lot of it is focusing on um healing the, the blood disease that would be the adamantium, like the. You know it's trying to balance that out. But with those adamantium gone, his healing factor can focus on rebuilding him. That being said, they also kept made a comic of where he was blown up and every bit of his flesh was burned off, except for like a, a little bit, like some hair, and he grew back from that.
Shaun:So he's just about to say. I remember a scene where archangel like literally shreds, like all the flesh off wolverine's adamantium skeleton. He comes right back. Yeah, so it depends on.
Nate:Yeah, it depends on his writing, because I absolutely saw like there was a comic bit where he literally got blown up and his it was like he was decimated to almost nothing.
Shaun:He came back like it was fine as long as there's one atom left of him, his healing factor can take like he's like, like he's cell from the dbz.
Nate:Yeah, exactly yeah, healing factor is kind of a weird thing for a character to have I mean it's cool, I mean if they it's, but always seems to be like the healing factor person is a badass. You know you. Very rarely do you see, like see in the comics wise, where it's like I have feeling factor. Do you have super strength? No, can you jump around?
Shaun:no, are you?
Nate:fast reflexes?
Shaun:no, I get beat up a lot and my healing factor is really slow. In fact, it's only about as fast as a normal person.
Nate:Maybe I'm just human right yeah, it'll be the one time I saw a healing factor kind of used. You know, even interestingly, that I thought it was um, there was, I can't remember it was. It was a manga and I stopped, dropped it because it got boring real fast. But there was. The idea was like he came, they pulled teleporting on the world oh, you're a hero. And like, yay and his buddies go off, like, oh, you guys go and like, uh, go on adventures, this guy over here, we're gonna talk him, we're gonna talk to him a little bit, and they put him in this lab in the basement, basically just use him as a science experiments and like constantly, like re-killing and torture him.
Nate:He's like, oh, it's, you know, it's kind of a dark thing. And his friends are like where's, where's harry? Oh, yeah, he's. Um, he, he went on a diplomatic mission to this other place. Yeah, that's the ticket. Yeah, so, and of course, he eventually escapes and befriends a vampire and kills all you know, as you know he's, it's a manga, what do you want? So? And then event adventures at hand, pantyy shots, every single. You know, just, it's a manga.
Nate:So, I was just gonna keep on going on the vein. I'm done Okay.
Shaun:No, actually I was kind of thinking about the whole Wolverine healing factor thing and his armor and skeleton, because I also remember there was one episode or not an episode but a comic where I was, or juggernaut, just chucked like wolverine out into the middle of a huge body of water. Yeah, because he's so heavy. From his skeleton he basically just sunk to the bottom where he drowned and was pretty much useless until gene gray fished him out of the water yeah, I mean just redrawn, redrawn.
Shaun:He's like yeah, exactly like he would like come back to life and just make it like a foot and then drown again and basically, yeah, that's one way to neutralize wolverine back in the day, which is actually that that's how Magneto dealt with him on Days of Future Past.
Nate:Is that what it was? Is that who did it to him? Okay?
Shaun:I remember this scene, but I don't really remember who did it. In that movie because it's happened before oh in the movie.
Nate:It's happened before. But like in the movie, magneto impales him on like a big iron bar and then throws him into the sea, but he gets saved by other people he gets saved by other people, but uh that he gets saved by the weapon x people um because got an air tag on him, so we can track down.
Shaun:Yeah, this happens exactly way up inside of, uh, wolverine's lower intestine as an air tag that's just embedded into him. That would actually be kind of funny. That would be funny. Yep, it's actually like little air tag from apple. As long as wolverine's near an iphone, we'll always know where he's at.
Nate:And what they did rip out is that adamantium on that show on X-Men 9-7. It wasn't exactly, my brain said it was, but it was very similar but not exact of the splash page from that episode or that issue where he gets his adamantium ripped out. And I have that issue, but it's a second printing. So it's a second printing, so it's not as you know great.
Shaun:I had the original one. Well, I had at one point with a hologram on it and everything. Yeah, I had that whole series.
Nate:It was like I do have the original of that. I don't have the second printing when he gets it back. Okay, sorry, yeah.
Shaun:Cause I remember it was like four different comics and you could like fold them out and all that covers made like one big long uh picture for you, because I think it was you had to get uncanny x-men, x-men, x-factor and maybe new mutants to make the cover.
Nate:Yeah, I mean that that was the 90s for you? You know the 90s, love that. Oh, you need by the same comic four times to get this entire splash page yeah, and that's why I kind of got out of comics.
Shaun:it also, too, is like hey, you want to continue this x-Men story? Well, you better go start reading some of this Fantastic Four now. It's like I don't want to read Fantastic Four, well, that's also why it kind of killed comics.
Nate:That's one of the reasons why Marvel went bankrupt, not that specifically. But what you do is you have these comics out there. You have people buy a four at a time, so the at a time. So the people looking at the market they're like, oh wow, look at all these readers you have. But it's a bubble, and that's what exactly happened. Finally, people like you and me realize I don't want to spend all this money getting four issues of a single comic and you either do what you do where you just stopped or some people just started buying the one. So then they went from like selling a million copies of something selling like a hundred thousand, which is still a lot. But when you budget it out for a million of them and you print it off a million of them and you only sold a hundred thousand, that's going to bite you in the ass real hard, real fast and that's kind of what happened.
Nate:One thing I also like to do too, is kind of just wait for like the trade paperbacks of stuff to come out, where it just encompassed everything into one big book yeah, that's a smart way of going to, because, especially when it gets confusing because never mind like the four issues for one, like four, four different comics from one issue, but then like like, for instance, nightfall, I mean you know this. Uh, with batman, okay, we got, we got four different comic lines for the same character. You need to go back and forth through all those comic lines. Or worse, like in the x-Men or Marvel stuff, we're like here we have this big spanning storyline that's taking place on all these different comics, so you need to buy the fantastic four, you got to buy the X-Men, you could get the, you got to get the Avengers. Don't forget about Iron man. Oh, did we mention Captain America over here? Oh, there's also also.
Shaun:oh, never mind. There's a really crucial thing that happens with animal man. You know, animal man, yeah, that guy you never wanted to read, but we need to have his sales so we're tying him into the storyline.
Nate:Enjoy why do I need to get animal man? It's like you skip animal man next. You know it's like. Why is this character dead? Why, damn it? I gotta find animal man.
Shaun:Uh, I always hate it when I opened up a comic I'm excited to read and like, the first panel is like if you want the full story to this, better go check out Avengers number 322. Right, they give you homework.
Nate:It's like, yeah, yes, that's exactly what it felt like homework that cost you money every so often like I wouldn't mind the ones where it's like they refer to a different storyline altogether, like they're not saying, like the storylines going on and they'll just drop a line like oh hey, did you hear tony stark killed a dude while drunk some, or something like that, or even if it ties into the story, like um logo will run into I don't know um puck and like hey, puck, remember we fought wendigo?
Nate:and it's like hey, yeah, you know, little blurb, oh, they fought when you go back in there.
Shaun:Whatever, I'm fine with that. That way, the one person who read that comic be like like I read that comic, I know yeah.
Nate:Yeah.
Shaun:Because they would do that. We'd be like, hey, when we did this, and there would be an asterisk and be like check out this if you want more. That's stuff I actually liked.
Nate:Yeah, but then but like yeah.
Shaun:If it's like, oh's like want to know what happened, well, you better go check out these other things and like uh are you only reading one x-men comic right now?
Nate:you?
Shaun:fool. Oh don't you know, there's multiple of them. Go read, go read x-factor.
Nate:Don't want to read x-factor, okay, fine, I'll read x-factor. Read x-factor. Oh, don't want to read x factor. Okay, fine, I read x factor. Read x factor.
Shaun:Oh, don't forget, this continues a gen x, like oh yeah, you got to go all the way over to an image comics.
Nate:Oh no, that was gen 13, that was uh, that was yeah, yeah and or go, maybe gen 13, but there was one storyline on there that really pissed me off. It was like there was, was it actually? I mean not gen 13, but I can't think of the team it was. Who cares? They were talking about like, uh, this, they were telling a backstory about one of the characters and the backstory they're talking about. And then, like you're near the end of the comic and like this big action scene is gearing up, and then they just kind of stop and it's these two people talking on the rooftop and they're like then what happens? Like well, you know what happens, she's alive, she, she's right there. Like what, you're going to give me a backstory of this character and this big action scene's coming up and like I know she's alive, she's right there from the start, but don't lead me into this big action scene that's going to happen. And then just cut it off and go.
Shaun:Oh, yeah, she's alive she's alive. Drawing an action scene this intense would cost a lot of money with the artist and a lot of ink costs so thanks a lot life imagination, oh man, yeah, that that was one's image comics.
Nate:That I know image. I liked it for a minute, like they.
Shaun:I was like. It was like reading the script was like wait this, uh, this fight has a lot of kicking in it.
Nate:I, I can't do right yeah, this in this issue, like um, their top halves turned invisible, so it's just a particular round kicking like never mind we're gonna skip all that man. I remember looking at life fields drawings too, like I go oh, wow, this is really cool. Then my kid, my child head, wow, look at, that's really cool. But then I actually look at him.
Shaun:I'm like what, what, like how, how are you least realistic looking person I've ever seen in my life? Yeah, how are you seeing the least realistic looking person I've ever seen in my life?
Nate:Yeah, how are you seeing the side? Like you know, it is a profile image of chest and their 18 abs and their back. How am I seeing their front and back from a side view? Talk?
Shaun:about. There are some of those pictures that are like can you tell if this character is facing forwards or backwards from the picture?
Nate:Yes, yeah, and there were some accusations of straight up copying. They were like hey look, this exact panel from X-Men issue and here is a Liefeld comic and here's the panel from there. And it is the exact same panel. The details have changed because they're different characters, but like the setup.
Shaun:He used the same outline and, just like, filled in different stuff Exactly.
Nate:It's almost like he Xeroxed it and just kind of drew over. You know the other person which I mean. Actually, that's kind of what Toriyama did.
Nate:Sometimes too, is kept the original, like outlines of everything, and he sometimes just build off of that, if I recall now, but the difference being that he drew the original. Yeah, if you're gonna build off your work, bear, but if you're gonna build off someone else's work, that's when things are getting a little muddled, especially if you're getting you're in a you're a marvel comics artist in the 90s, where that means something. You know. I mean, I'm not to say I don't mean to knock, you know, god forbid a marvel artist listening to this. That'd be great. Hey, I hope you listen to more. But, like I, I've mad respect for him.
Nate:I one thing I really wish I was good at enough. I I've kind of. It took me years to kind of come to a place where I'm not comic artist. You know, I wish I could be. I I've tried. I can sit here and copy a comic book panel, um, fairly accurately. But if I'm not comic artist, you know I wish I could be. I I've tried. I can sit here and copy a comic book panel, um, fairly accurately. But if I'm gonna sit there just bust out panels, that's my style, my brain just want to do it and I I am an artist. I do like some things to do, I'll get a lot more comfortable. My style that's just not me, but you do need to have if you're gonna be an artist, a comic artist. There are certain standards and straight up copying someone else's work is not one of the standards so stolen valor.
Shaun:Right there I'm saying that's stolen valor as far as comic book right yep, yep, that's a good analogy.
Nate:Yes, also, I wound up looking at the gen 13 comic books and, oh man, these covers are sure made for horny teenagers oh my god right yeah, I completely forgot how horny these covers are oh, no, totally like damn yeah, man, they were uh, and they're like oh, her density is such she's 300 pounds like okay, sure, I have a feeling jim lee was like buck, naked jerking off when he's drawing all these characters, I mean constantly I mean all those characters, wildstorm, I mean let's, we can be. You know, we can go ahead and say, like you know, women in comics aren't exactly like realistic. But Gen 13 pushed it real far, especially with their lead character.
Shaun:Here's some legs with boobs. Have fun.
Nate:Yeah, their lead character, it is she.
Shaun:I'll admit there's a, there's some nights where what there are some the comic covers where it's like, literally her thonged ass is just right in the middle of the cover.
Nate:There are absolutely several night, you know, when I was a kid and uh, let's just say I was thinking about her pretty strongly so uh, yeah, me too also fun fact, gen 13 had a crossover with bone, believe it or not oh yeah yeah, bone comic really good.
Nate:Never finished it though they also had a really cool uh crossover with spawn. Um, it was brief, though they actually had like a cross. Um, it was gen 13, a few other ones where the idea being that spawn actually like won, he became, he came the big bad, he took over the world. Spawn was actually like the major villain and in the future and then they went back in the past and like stopped him and you know, people in the past with the future like, ah, this is all bad. And they went back in the past and they like um arranged it, so they basically made spawn's life miserable. Like things went well for spawn, so it became big bad. So they made it miserable, so things went well for everybody else.
Nate:Um, it doesn't really matter, but the one thing I do remember is, uh, the main character of gen 13. She got put in like um a whorehouse and because she didn't want to be, you know, having to bang all these different random villains, she on purpose got like three, like she said, three, like really really fat and ugly, just so people would leave her alone and it seemed so you would think that would work, but I'm sure they're right.
Nate:You know like yeah right.
Shaun:In reality, we are well aware that people will stick their dick in anything, given the chance 100.
Nate:That was one of those. Uh, those were the times that 90s they got dark yeah, yeah, yeah, 90s was kind of like.
Shaun:When they're like, hey, we're gonna try to make things a little more mature for the readers at times, because before that they were kind of seen as like bubble gummy fun things, although I do remember having some like older, like early 80s batman comics, that seemed pretty dark oh man, yeah, I still remember as a kid, I got some dark. There was a, there was like literally batman like tracking down murderers who were like dismembering women and stuff like that I was actually thinking about that.
Nate:There was one, there was a comic strip, there was a it was two issues and it was a no-name villain and it was this like big beefy guy he kind of looked like eddie brock, um and this little skinny guy, uh, he killed women, he would he hunted down and murdered women, he would pick him up and he would, uh, slice him up and kill him, like that's. You know, this is fun, yeah so, but yeah, like batman had to hunt him down and it was legit detective work and he was trying to find this guy an event, you know, obviously eventually bought, he got him but just yeah, it was real dark which I like that stuff.
Nate:I think that's like peak batman instead of fighting god yeah, I absolutely a god, or like the joker for the 18,000th time. And I like joker, I love the joker, he's a great. But just, you know there's a saturation point. When you get to you it's like, okay, um, let's do someone else. You know it just just a little bit, because you, when the joker comes around, you want to be like oh my god, it's a joker, not. Okay, here we go again.
Shaun:Actually think of this one panel that I had, an old batman comic. It was like one of the first panels. It's kind of a gross, shocking panel, but it's. It was a dude who went around. It might be the same comic you were talking about. Dude in Mary's was murdering women and like one of the opening panels he's got like this chick's head cut off and like the eyes sewn shut and out of her nose is just like pouring all this snot and he's just like having to pour over his hands. He's just like look what I have done to this woman, kind of thing. Gross, like what the hell is going on.
Nate:Which is you was that which is batman um? I don't know if you're looking at it right now like no I'm not.
Shaun:This is like going oh, okay, okay, okay, yeah, okay, you're on a memory of my bad.
Nate:I thought yeah, I thought you'd pulled it up, pretty sure is batman? See, I think I'm using even the 80s or 90s. Oh, probably never find it. Oh, no, I might. I mean, I'm gonna try here for a second. If I can't find it, I'll move it. Fuck on. Oh, oh, yeah, I mean, it's because it was again. It was just a random issue, like two random issues back to back, it wasn't.
Shaun:Batman 1986, issue 399. It looks like I think that's the shrunken head on the cover that he actually uses in it. Maybe what? 386. Yeah, or 399. Sure.
Nate:It wasn't that one the one. I would think that wasn't that one, but still that's pretty like still hell dark.
Shaun:No, there's actually a scene inside the book where the dude actually has like the head cut off and he's like holding it by the hair and there's just like snot pop pouring out of the nose and he's all like I don't know bathing in it or something it's. Yeah, it actually gets worse inside the comic book. Apparently you can buy it for six bucks or a hundred bucks graded, or three dollars, uh, for just a regular old, pre-owned version and you stop looking like I want to know where it's driving crazy like oh wait, there it is 422.
Nate:Uh, let's see batman 422 yeah, batman, issue 420. It's like it's the cover's pretty tame, but uh, because it's just batman holding a knife I see that one.
Shaun:That cover kind of looks familiar to me as well. Oh wait, oh, back when they had to oblige by the comics code, remember the comics code nathan oh, okay, it was three episodes.
Nate:Sure enough that at first there's a three-ish three issue arc. The first issue is a up close of a clear. It's a dead woman, like the upose version, like she's all crying and stuff. You see his silhouette? It's clearly like a dead girl. Um, it's in the issue 422, yeah, and they it's called the dumpster slasher. Well, the issue is uh, 421 is the first issue, 422 is the second issue and 423 is like the finale of that and uh, it's a. It was a dumpster slasher is who it is. And it's like this it's a beefy guy who kills women and throws them in dumpsters, possibly based off of a true story.
Nate:And I'm 99% sure Well, at least 98% sure especially this last one, that last episode. I have this somewhere, like it's. It's downstairs in my basement in the box, somewhere.
Shaun:Big burly dude.
Nate:So basically, it's like dan hagerty going around killing women. No, I'm wrong, it's just for okay, it's two issues. I was right the first time 421, 422, because 423 I recognize it, but that's I. I popped over here. It is that definitely just um, yep, dumpster slasher. Anyway, yeah, it just. It also is one of those episodes where episodes, those issues. That proves that, like you said, like we don't need, you don't need a villain, you don't need a big bad villain for, yeah, uh, to do that, oh wow that's about.
Nate:Let's see issue 422, and then let's see 423. 1, 2, 3, 4, 4 issues. Later starts the death in the family, uh, where robin gets killed, oh so beaten to death. Four, five, six, yes that was a pretty dark little stretch there yeah six episodes later is when robin gets killed. Spoiler alert for death of the family for a long, long time ago, like 1988, where uh, a bunch of people wrote in like voted to kill robin oh, that's right, that was kind of a write-in thing.
Shaun:No, it was a call it. It was a caller calling phone number you called, yeah, and apparently it was really close.
Nate:Of course it was. It was a really close too and like, but they voted to kill jason todd and they did it. You know that's, you know fucking amazing that and, as you know, they eventually brought him back. How long did he stay dead? For a long time, though, though.
Shaun:Yeah, he stayed dead for a long time because they replaced him with a different Robin, tim Drake. Let's see.
Nate:Yeah, he was. Oh, I don't care about that. It's like Jason Todd he was dead for six months. Like fuck yourself. It was not six months I'm not talking about. I'm talking about real life.
Shaun:How long did oh around this time of this killing off Robin thing. Dc was planning to publish a comic book promoting HIV AIDS education and requested that writers submit suggestions for characters to kill off with AIDS. Actually, that's exactly what they thought about doing with Robin at first was killing him by AIDS. And do you want to know what the impetus for them coming up with the 900 numbered was? What's that? One of the writers recalled a 1982 Saturday Night Live sketch in which Eddie Murphy encouraged viewers to call one of two 900 numbers if they wanted him to boil a lobster on air. And nearly 500,000 viewers called in and they're like, hey, we could do that with DC Comics Awesome.
Nate:Yeah, all the time like, like. I remember it took a long, long time, like decades, and everyone's like six months, like no. No, not like in comics, I'm talking about like in real life, what issue, from which issue, like how long until they brought it back. But I don't think I can keep on five, like six months, like no poll received 10 614 votes.
Shaun:5 34, 5,343 for Jason's death, 5,271 for survival a margin of just 72 votes. There is a rumor that a lawyer programmed his Macintosh to dial the killing number every few minutes, but they have no evidence of that.
Nate:That'd be amazing. He really would have been dead yeah.
Shaun:Well, one of the writers says that he thinks, like, like it was a few people that are just calling the number repeatedly to get, uh, jason todd dead because they really didn't like him, okay, 2005.
Nate:They brought him back in 2005. Uh, the reason why that popped up is, honestly, someone in quora, quora, what is that? I never go to the website, that's your quora yeah anyway, someone said how long was jason todd resurrected?
Nate:and then some someone said dc in parentheses and marvel, who resurrected in bucky, is say later the same year, dash 2005. So 2005 is when they brought him back and he died. What was it? 1988 or something like that. Yeah, 88, so that, yeah, it was dead for a while. I was right. Just, there's like six months like, no, no, it is not six months. I know it was dead for a while. I was right. There's like six months Like no, no, it is not six months. I know it was six months because, like six months later I'd still have this child, those comics as a child and I didn't. So, so frustrating, like.
Shaun:I get it. The numbers were only up for 35 hours, september 15th 1988.
Nate:Yes, and he died in 89. So did he December of 88 is when. So yeah, it was almost, because I looked at the next issue it said 89, but it's like, okay, that would make sense. You know, time passes yeah, time passes on. January of 89, that makes January 89, and so he died in December 88. Merry Christmas, robin's dead hurrah happy Christmas Batman.
Shaun:And then Red in December 88. Merry Christmas, Robin's dead Hurrah. Happy Christmas Batman.
Nate:And then Red Hood. I actually like Red Hood. Red Hood's a pretty good character, although he doesn't seem. I guess he's a good guy now. He was going all Punisher route and then I guess everything's fine, all's forgiven, like, oh yeah, you murdered a bunch of people with guns, but you know, it's all good now. All good, yeah. So there it's between his death. So there's his death one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, thirteen, so 13 episodes later tim drake came. So like well, there was actually he, they these earlier he started bringing tim drake around like tim drake was thing.
Shaun:Like oh, he started rooming tim drake a little bit earlier than that.
Nate:Well, tim drake's actually one of the unique ones. Tim Drake's actually had parents. Like he figured out who Batman was because he watched. He went to the Acrobat show where Dick Grayson's parents died. So because they saw the specific flip they did, it was like their. The Flying Graysons had a very specific move, they always did, and so he watched them do that. And he saw the flying graysons had a very specific move, they always did, and so he watched him do that and he saw his parents die fast forward. He saw a clip on tv of batman robin, or robin did the same move that the flying graysons did. So he put two and two together and figured out batman was, uh, bruce wayne. And then, um, once, you know, uh, robin died. He figured out robin was gone because he went around anymore. So he started stalking bruce wayne, slash batman and he went into his bat cave and stole his suit. I remember correctly. I mean this is, keep in mind, this is fucking forever ago.
Shaun:Um, yeah, and he became, and finally batman's like, okay, fine, I guess I'll let you be my partner so all you gotta do is just sneak into a superhero's place and steal some of his outfits and be like hey can I join the team?
Nate:Well, the whole thing behind it was was saying like without Robin, batman was getting too brutal. So I was like so he needs a child around him to keep from murdering people.
Shaun:Mr Batman, please stop being a joker. Just a sec, what? Okay, anyway, so yes, so yeah, robin's dead. Screw him. Batman's better for it. Sorry, until he's not that.
Nate:Yeah, that's one thing about comics deaths is, you know, I don't know, back it seemed like back in the day, like in the 80s, when someone died. They I don't want to say they always stayed dead, but they were.
Shaun:They were gone for a while, they stayed for a while until, like popular, you know people were got up in arms. They're like bring this character back, but I feel like nowadays, characters die and they're just like well, we'll just hop in the multiverse and pop over to galaxies and, yeah, we'll just grab a new one. This one's almost exactly the same, but he talks with a slight lisp, but, but everything else is identical I have no.
Nate:Okay, let me say this is one of my you know this off-topic um branded. I have no research to back this up, but based on just like my quick little operating brain, it feels like people stop giving a shit about people dying after superman died, because when superman died it made national news and people talking about it on, like uh, usa today, and you know all the tv shows and like the talking heads, oh, they're killing off superman. What are they gonna do? And then like, oh, yeah, he's back. It's like ever since they kind of brought him back and they brought him back in the dumbest way. I mean, well, it was actually kind of cool how they brought him back. But then he turned into Energy Superman For some reason. Like, oh, then we're getting rid of his costume, he's an electric Superman now.
Shaun:Yeah, and I remember too, People were like, well, they'll bring back Superman eventually. And DC, of course, went to Stan's back. No, no, he's dead for good. And then they had to do the whole replacement of Superman thing.
Nate:Yeah, I mean, again, I really liked the storyline. I think they did it really well. They were able to introduce new characters. The new Superboy was pretty good. And then there was Superboy. There was the Annihilator, which I don't know what happened to him. He's vanished. I don't know if he's still around or not. Then there was the Steel.
Shaun:Who got his?
Nate:own movie, by the way, if you remember that shack, yeah, I haven't seen it. I've seen clips and oh boy was it terrible. Um, I mean it was.
Shaun:Yeah, what I saw was like comically bad uh by the way, this uh, death of characters and bring them back then kind of brought back a memory from 1994, oddly, oddly enough. So you remember, in 1994, star Trek Generations came out and in that movie Captain Kirk gets killed, basically.
Nate:Star Trek.
Shaun:Generations came out, yeah, and the whole writers were like, hey, we want to try to phase out the old generation and focus on the next generation past that. So they decided to kill off Captain Kirk, to try to be like, hey, we're going to finally end the original series, kind of thing. Well, anyways, I was like hey, we're gonna finally end the original series, kind of thing. Well, anyways, I was at the video store. There was like some nerdy kid they're talking to my dad and the lady who owned the video store about how they killed off captain kirk and it's gonna be for real this time. And also, like my dad and the lady, the owner of the video store started like making fun of him because like they're obviously gonna bring him back, they'll never let him die. And this poor kid's like no, you don't understand, they're changing the generations, they'll never bring back this guy's like almost in tears because they're making fun so bad and oh that's that, yeah, he's like, he's like they will never bring kirk back.
Nate:And then like seriously, like two years later, like captain kirk's back, I was like, ah, poor dude well, and because they, they even died on that hill yeah, they gave him an out too because, like they, he went to the special place where what you know in heaven, if you will, and he lives across all timelines, and david said, like he can come back, like, oh yeah, did they, didn't he run into somebody or whatever? That was also dead in there? I can't, it's been forever saw that movie I nah.
Nate:I've seen like maybe one star trek movie my entire life oh, I know I have like I even kept like a picard gets in the same like heaven place to find captain kirk because he's lost in there, and he runs in the guy and then she's like, oh yeah, we're living across all timelines at the same time. So you know it's, you know basically say it's like a save. You know like he goes in there it was like a save feature and he just I don't know how they come back. I know I know they brought him back for some reason but they probably teleported him back by scotty doing it somehow yeah, most magic did it yeah, and again star trek people.
Nate:I'm really sorry.
Shaun:I you know I'm kind of fuzzy in a lot of those movies, so yeah, I think I saw like star trek 2 and that was it, the wrath that was one of the bad ones.
Nate:The the bad, like the star trek ones, are the odd ones are the bad ones, like first one's bad yeah, first one's, the first one was terrible. Second one was good, that wrath of khan. Third one was bad, the fourth one was good, that was the whales. Uh was like the first one was the whale one I thought that one was dumb. Actually, I liked it. It was good. That was, yeah, I really liked it. The first one they like man. I think I remember that as too, whether they're like sitting on the bus the first one really even star trek.
Nate:It was like it was kind of start at the same characters but they changed everything about it, uh. The second one that kind of went back to the formula. Third one was search for spock. That was stupid, uh. Fourth one was the whales. I actually really like that, going back in time, that was cool, whatever. Um. Fifth one was spock's brother once again, do you want god. The sixth one was six. One actually really liked that was the?
Nate:Um the whole plot, the assassin plot. Remember that one like the klingons, not even remotely man, that cling that basically klingons had had like they could um other, their ships could cloak and shoot. And then so the sixth one, that was the last one of the like the original people, and then quote what? The seventh one was the first next generation one which wasn't very good I think that's the one you were talking about where like they killed they quote unquote, killed off eric, regard captain kirk. Then the one after that was actually really cool. That was first contact with the board came around. Then the one after that was really stupid. That's the one with the guy like they're trying to save some planet full of like hippies, um, and then the last planet of hippies being besieged by Cartman, and they have to say right and I think the last one they did the whole next generation one was the one where they quote unquote, killed off data.
Nate:That nemesis, that was nemesis that they had. What's his face? Bane Tom Hardy, tom Hardy was he. Tom Hardy was like oh, he's a young clone of picard, go fuck yourself. No, he's not. You could have done better. Yeah, there are some similar features, but no, sorry uh, yeah, there is tom hardy, that's.
Shaun:Uh, he looks more like a freaking um. What's his name? Telly savallis, than he does. Captain kirk, or?
Nate:yeah, oh, he's supposed to be an evil clone of picard or whatever.
Shaun:I mean it's like emaciated telly savalas assuming you remember what telly savalas looks like trying to? He looks like a fat version of tom hardy from star trek nemesis, oh telly. So I said tony, oh no, telly, saalas.
Nate:Okay, yeah.
Shaun:Yeah, yeah. Look at them side by side. They even have the same lips.
Nate:It's weird Well now Tom Hardy's all like buff. But you know, back in the day and Tom Hardy's everywhere he's been like. He was on a couple of TV shows, he was in Peaky Blinders. He was really good in that. You ever see, ditching the other hardy boy was the best thing he ever did for his career. Huh, getting out of those books and into acting. I was like what? Yes, that's the mystery. The, the disappearance of the other hardy boy is a mystery. Yeah, because you only, it can only be solved by hardy boys.
Shaun:But unfortunately one of those hardy boys is part of the mystery and the one that's still around doesn't seem to care, which seems suspicious, right very sus.
Nate:He's like oh yeah, my brother's gone, so we should, we should look into that anyway hold on.
Shaun:I have all these letters that he's just been sending randomly. Yeah, it looks like it's in my handwriting. What of it? We had similar handwriting yeah, we were brothers.
Nate:After all, it's 2024. Why is it still writing letters? I don't know. You think you would think we're sending texts, but he's not.
Shaun:Um, also don't forget, speaking of cartman, uh, new south park I sent you.
Nate:I mean, yes, south park to watch legally, yes, yeah, totally legally, and I think I've already got a little bit spoiled for me, because I what does it do? Does it have to do with cereal? Not really, okay. Well, I just saw TikTok showed me a clip of a bunch of cereal mascots, cereal bomb, thing, yeah, oh yeah, Kind of sort of.
Shaun:Killing a bunch of people.
Nate:Yeah, okay. I just have no idea what the context is.
Shaun:I just saw like it's about weight loss drugs, so Okay.
Nate:Yeah, it's not going to stop me from fucking watching it. Oh no yeah.
Shaun:It's. That's actually one of the smaller parts of this episode. Yeah, it's actually. I liked it better than their last couple of specials. I'm not going to say it was like their best one in a long time, but it was reasonable.
Nate:Is that all they're doing now? Is that all they're doing? Is there just doing specials?
Shaun:They're not doing like a movies for Paramount quote unquote and for comedy central. They're doing the TV series to which they're obligated to do like 12 episodes a year or something like that for them, which is why we're now getting like split seasons where it's like six episodes half a year and six episodes the next half.
Nate:I mean, I guess you know it's, I don't know.
Shaun:I mean I don't like it, but whatever. Yeah, I don't like it.
Nate:As long as their quality is fine, yeah, but even then it's like I don't know the quality of some of the shows have been kind of hit and miss. It's almost like it feels like they have come out and said we want to stop doing this, but we can't. But then again, don't sign the contracts.
Shaun:Actually, I literally just did an interview where they said people have been saying that it's the exact opposite. We are more happy than ever to be doing South Park.
Nate:Oh well, there you go.
Shaun:Yeah, they've actually addressed that topic.
Nate:I take it back Once again. I hate to retract the statement. Ha yeah, I can actually find that quote somewhere too.
Shaun:But you are right, though the writing does seem a little bit different.
Nate:I don't know it seems like they're less willing to opinion. That that came out was there was a when there was south park episode where they were trying to get canceled, like they said, oh yeah, that was part of the joke. Now, then again, like you can say things, you can, you know you can say things not mean, especially if you're writing a comedy series, you know. So it makes complete sense. They would say something like that but not mean it, because it's just. I guess I just took it. You know, sometimes people put things in there that are real and I kind of took that as more serious, like, oh, it sounds like they're trying to get out of this, but I guess, yeah, they're happy about it Then great, so working on um doing Casa Bonita was.
Shaun:I think they have like a couple of little like South Park Easter eggs, like Cartman sitting in a corner somewhere, kind of thing, but it's not that South Parked up.
Nate:And from what I know too, yeah, from what I know too, because it's more of an experience than anything.
Shaun:You don't just walk in, you actually have to reserve it and, you know, not have a bunch of people sitting around taking up time.
Nate:Fair enough, especially if they're like you know there was on a show, it was on an episode and they own it and it really should. I'm glad they're mainly on the restaurant, but they need some kind of reference Because that, you know, that was a pretty big, that was they whole episode dedicated to it. That was a pretty big, that was they whole episode dedicated to it. They own it. You need something about South Park in there.
Shaun:Yeah, yeah. They also stated, for public record, that restoring that restaurant was significantly more expensive than they thought it was going to be, to which my response was well duh. Yeah, no shit, restaurants are like one of the more expensive things you can open up. To be honest.
Nate:Well, it feels like also it's expensive. It seems like they keep on learning that lesson too, like oh, we decided to make a movie about puppets. We didn't realize it'd be such a fucking big deal yeah, yeah, I've heard that from a few guys.
Shaun:Like don't do puppets on a show because it's just a nightmare, especially marionette's like they did. Because, if I recall, they said like there was only like three people in the whole world that were good enough at marionette's to actually do what they wanted and then they refused to do the sex scene yeah, yeah, which eventually got put out in the adult edit or whatever it was that deleted extended scenes.
Nate:Well, they were still there, Like I remember. I went to the movie theater and saw it was still there. But yeah, it was the, the, the pooping, that that was more like they added the whole, like he yeah, that's what it was.
Nate:Yeah, they just added like they made it a dirtier sex scene, which you know, I don't know it's fine, you know it's whatever. Yeah, yeah, I could have done without that added scene. But yeah, honestly, I'm not even a big fan of sex in in movies, like if I want to see, if I want to get all like ooh, then I'll watch porn yeah yeah I'm actually with you on that it's like when they talked about throwing sex scenes in, like oppenheimer and um napoleon is like really do we need that?
Nate:yeah, I mean it's fine if it's. It was artistic, like even the oppenheimer, which I still haven't watched all the way through um, oh, you haven't made to the explosion yet. Damn, no, not yet, uh, yeah, spoiler um ha I just the bob goes off yeah, I just, I don't know like it just almost like sometimes it takes me on the movie. It's like yeah, yeah, and if I'm watching it on something, I'll usually just fast forward there, cause I'm like come on, give me a plot I don't need yeah.
Shaun:And if you need to stick a sex scene in a movie. You could make it like a five second sex scene, or just see them like sexily going to the bedroom and we we don't need to know the details of how they had sex.
Nate:Just this is. This is 1995.
Shaun:Yes, throw it in there.
Nate:I need something to get me going, but it's. It's not, it's 2024. I could just like I could literally type in boobies right now and I yeah.
Shaun:It's porn is easier to find than ever.
Nate:Absolutely, I just it. Yeah, it is not difficult to find. If I wanted, I could find it really easy. It's not me in the back of Waldo books anymore Like you're, like walking into a Waldo books, going and grabbing like a Playboy or a penthouse, and then like stealthily making my way to the back of the store and then open the magazine up and looking through it. The days of that is gone. Not that I ever did that In theory you imagined yourself doing in theory, in theory, yeah, in theory. One of my core memories is looking at pamela anderson, the spread, the back of a wall, the books, looking around make sure no one sees me enjoyed all the other kids in the corner of the store grunting oh and god and oh man.
Nate:Well, it was a happy day when you'd find, like I found a one book. It was a glamour it was, but it was like it was supposed to be very artsy but it was a bunch of naked women in it. And man, oh boy, did I look at that. Every time I would go to the mall. I'm like I'm going to rob the books. I go to the photography section, pull out the model art.
Shaun:Yay, mm, hmm, all right. Well, I think we are done for the moment.
Nate:Yeah, especially since we've talked about it feels like we've talked as.